Building My New Favorite HD Toothpick with Shark Byte Digital FPV (Ultra Low Fixed Latency)
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- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024
- How good is the Shark Byte digital FPV system for backyard freestyle? I'm about to find out! SPOILER: It's AWESOME! Click "Show More" for links and additional information.
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Getting Started with Shark Byte:
- Any FPV goggles or display with HDMI input. I have Fat Shark HDO2.
- FatShark Shark Byte RX5.1 Receiver Module: bit.ly/3acLQ9O
- Two SMA antennas of your choice to go on top of the RX. They should be RHCP to match the patch antennas that are built-in.
Parts I Recommend (not exactly what I used):
- Shark Byte TX5S.1 single board digital VTX: bit.ly/2PW8eNR
- Runcam Nano HD Camera: bit.ly/3e1GgIp
or Foxeer Digisight V2 (I have not used it, but it is another option): bit.ly/32iNcLD
- 55mm MIPI Cable (shorter than the one that comes with the camera): bit.ly/3uR8Rqv
- FPVCycle Babytooth 3" Frame (2mm thick version): bit.ly/2Q3zEBi
- FPVCycle 13mm 7700KV Motors (if you can find them in stock): bit.ly/2XWcOvQ
OR Happymodel 1202.5 6400KV Motors (what I used here): bit.ly/3wZFdkG
OR other motor with similar size and KV.
- BetaFPV 12A F405 Whoop AIO. It is light and has good features. It also has motor plugs, which you could use or remove: bit.ly/3acAjr5
OR BetaFPV 20A F405 Toothpick AIO for an even easier and more robust build: bit.ly/3mPbiqR
- Gemfan 3018 2-blade props (1.5mm shaft or 2mm shaft depending on your motors): bit.ly/2T9KkNW
or Gemfan 3016 3-blade props (these fly smoother, but they have less power for pulling out of dives): bit.ly/36REC7a
- RHCP Singularity Antenna with U.FL (I recommend not using the "short" one. It is harder to get a good antenna placement): bit.ly/3uMgi2e
- Crossfire Nano Receiver (or receiver of your choice): bit.ly/3mO7ZAa
- Crossfire Minimoral T V2 Antenna (or whatever goes with your receiver): bit.ly/3dhfmx0
- Velcro Cable Ties for battery strap: www.amazon.com...
- Cloth Tape: www.amazon.com...
- M2 x 4mm motor screws (titanium or steel)
- M2 x 15mm stack screws (titanium or steel)
- Thin foam battery pad helps it stay put:
Flight Times:
The main flight in this video used a GNB 300mah 80C 2S Battery. When flying fast hard freestyle like this I typically get:
- 300mAh 2S = 3 minutes
- 450mAh 2S = 4-5 minutes
- 550mAh 2S = 5 minutes+
Canopy STL Files:
www.thingivers...
Betaflight 4.2.8 Tune:
set gyro_lowpass2_hz = 375
set dyn_lpf_gyro_min_hz = 300
set dyn_lpf_gyro_max_hz = 750
set dshot_idle_value = 700
set dshot_bidir = ON
set motor_pwm_protocol = DSHOT300
set motor_poles = 12
set yaw_motors_reversed = ON
set pid_process_denom = 4
profile 0
set dyn_lpf_dterm_min_hz = 105
set dyn_lpf_dterm_max_hz = 255
set dyn_lpf_dterm_curve_expo = 7
set dterm_lowpass2_hz = 225
set vbat_pid_gain = ON
set iterm_relax_cutoff = 20
set yaw_lowpass_hz = 100
set throttle_boost = 7
set throttle_boost_cutoff = 25
set p_pitch = 55
set d_pitch = 39
set f_pitch = 124
set p_roll = 50
set d_roll = 36
set f_roll = 117
set p_yaw = 54
set f_yaw = 117
set d_min_roll = 0
set d_min_pitch = 0
set ff_spike_limit = 70
set ff_smooth_factor = 20
Bluejay ESC Tune:
- PWM = 24kHz
- Startup Power = 1061 min, 1243 max (equivalent to a single value of 1.25 in BLHeli_S)
- Motor Timing = Medium High
Music:
- "Funny Stories" by Roman Senyk Music (licensed)
- "Action Trailer" by Roman Senyk Music (licensed)
- "Burlesque Heartache" by RKVC (RUclips audio library)
That is the cleanest looking tiny HD quad I could ever imagine. Incredible work.
The smile one your face when you crashed at 22:35 say all about FPV.
Pure. Enjoyment.
4:49 min - FC AIO with inbuld VTX doesn't support Pit mode. But there's a solder jumper to disable the VTX completely.
Thanks for the crash footage... It's nice to know your human.. 😊😊
Exactly my thoughts
HAHAHAHA.. Nice...
Very cool. I rebuilt an X-Knight 4" toothpick with the JHEMCU 35 amp AIO and added the Shark Byte whoop board to it. It went from being a defunct racing quad in the closet to one of my new favorite things to fly.
Wow amazing flying!!
Nobody rips a back yard like Mr. Shutterbug! Awesome video and interesting info on SharkByte.
It is really refreshing to hear a reviewer who's impartial about the DJI/Shark Byte thing; they're different, they perform best in different situations/styles/quads, one is not better than the other, I believe, they just do different things, and both do them well. I'm partial to Fat Shark simply because I don't like the way DJI doesn't really play with others, and Fat Shark has been a big part of, and supporter of, the FPV community from the very beginning, and even tho it took them many, many years to put a stupid power button on their goggles, I still appreciate their involvement with the hobby, as opposed to DJI... But again, just my two cents... Anyway, LOVE the build, I'm building something similar, as far as size/weight goes, but with different components... If it flies halfway as good as this one, I'll be thrilled! Excellent work, thank you for showing us your process of designing & building!
I had already planned a similar build when you dropped your Digitooth video, but now I definitely have to build something similar. Thanks so much for sharing!
Sweet got me thinking now.
Beautiful fly bro...
Seeing you fly in that narrow back yard with those tall trees really gives me inspiration since I have a relative small yard too. Cheers from another cramped backyard flyer. lol.
Actully you are great....give optional board both are great....thanku ...so moch...
Hi shutterbug, I've a little recommendation that could be useful for you, the form I desolder the connectors is connecting a motor to it, soldering the 3 pins and let the motor be on the air, with nothing under it, and then overheat the solder, it comes off in just a few seconds!
Nice!
That thing is awesome!!
Holy shit @ 22:49 I thought you were going to fly into your face!
Thank you for including the crash reel 😎
I NEED THIS TINY BEAST IN MY "FLEET"
I hope some company copies your idea here and makes this a BNF.... 2S is kind of as big as I ever really want to go and at HD levels.... sign me up! Looks good man, love all your ideas
wow. you are a monster. your throttle control is insane....
Best channel on youtube
Very cool. This needs to be a bnf.
14:09 you can flip it with stick comands too in the camera menu
I digg it. One of these days I just may make the leap to digital.
Nice! Man those trees look qwad hungry!
Just saw you made it on bardwell!!! Super awesome, I had already seen your video so when I saw him pick it up I thought it was gunna be you and it was! Super cool can’t wait to see his review!!
Thanks. I’m looking forward to it too! He will be comparing it to a 3” naked vista build, so that should be interesting.
Also I really like the HQ T3X 1,5 x3 3015 on my crux3, just a tipp
I fly in a tight backyard too and I've been enjoying the analog crux3. This is the first video that really got me thinking about Shark Byte. Unfortunately since I have the old Dominator HD2 I would need to replace those too or deal with less than full resolution. Hopefully even lighter stuff comes out and fatshark can find a niche in micros.
I am in the similar boat, I do have HD3 though(but with the same resolution). I feel like having 720p resolution is probably not as important because I don't think sharkbyte's video is truly 720p, it just not as sharp as it should be and noticeably worse than DJI FPV system which I think is 720p. I suspect internally it's less and just upscaled to 720p. I did the experiment and made a video where I fly using phone camera and played back it in my HD3. It looked much more detailed than what I saw with sharkbyte recordings. So I feel like the video most likely would be limited by sharkbyte system rather than goggles resolution unless you go lower to like non-HD Dominators which are 480p
Sorry: The previous post is when I really get into it. But I really want to thanks you for your sharing. I think I built my best quad. Thanks!
Why is it every time you post a video I want to start butchering my quads 🤣
IT never ends lol. I want SB so bad, and i'm still building a mini lr and switching to elrs.. Sometimes you just have to say no to more upgrades and bench time and enjoy what you've got for a while.
Not going down that road again lost over $600. I'll stick to my dji goggles, once caddx releases a naked vista without voiding the warranty it's over for the others.
Thanks for the great videos though
You have some fine soldering skills.
Nice
Nice flight and build. We’re doing a 3s on the 95x frame.
Excellent build. I have several babytooth builds , both 1S and 2S. This is definitely doable. Thanks for sharing.
amazing. i wish id be that talented to build one of these 🤣
Thanks nice review
Love your vids! You, Nick Burns, and of course Bardwell really got me into the hobby a year ago and I’m so happy I found you all. Keep it up and I look forward to your next video!
great vid
Interesting. I am more than glad if you can upload RAW fatshark DVR file somewhere and share it with us.
Thank u for all.
Here's a 1 minute clip. It was compressed by the DVR in my Shark Byte receive, but it has not been recompressed after that. I simply trimmed it using ffmpeg (fast and lossless). You will see that there are little squares of interference quite often. I later discovered that my small 100uF capacitor was at least partly to blame. I switched to a 220uF capacitor and now I get less of that breakup. Fat Shark recommends a 330uF capacitor (it comes with the VTX) but I decided that was too big for this particular build. Cheers!
drive.google.com/file/d/1X1JlsulwT616VH8edMj2nM1-wGCZ6fuu/view?usp=sharing
@@MrShutterBug WOw! Thank you Mr ShutterBug I am so happy to watch this and that I have got reply from you. Happy weekend!!!
Thanks for the thoughtful clarity of your presentation, especially the detail in the description. The crashes were valuable to see as well, it didn't really seem like any were due to breakup/lag or SharkByte issues. It's also really nice to see an reasonable (believable) advocation for SharkByte maybe not vs. DJI, but perhaps as a sometime alternate. Great, as always - cheers!
Dang, you read my mind, and were a step ahead of me. I literally have the sharkbyte system on my desk with a baby tooth frame. I was having trouble finding a good canopy though and only found 1 reasonable one on thiniverse. Thank you for doing this, great build! You saved me a lot of headache.
id love to see a truly engineered whoop build. one that takes an initial flight time and thrust to weight ratio, and then selects the components to meet those requirements. prop selection, motor kv, FC board v and i rating. etc.
eCalc is a tool i havent seen mentioned by any YT drone content developers yet its been a mainstay for fixed wing and heli builders for year..and has a fantastic drone design feature.
for racing, the tool allows you to predict top speed and acceleration from the setup you choose. we used to use it for pylon racing and it was more than once used to win RC fixed win events..almost everyone else was just guessing and relying on subjective testing..which becomes expensive.
if you change your lens for the one of the baby ratel you pass under is 50g easy
Sorry to hear it burnt a esc but what a cool little build thanks for posting man.👍🏽😉🍻
Great video! Love the crash real, you are a meer mortal 😉
Looks amazing to me. I have only analog
Crazy!
Very nice video. Thanks for sharing.
Nice flying Nate, great crash reel as well. I am still on the fence on Shark Byte vs DJI. I look forward to more content on this system from you.
Your flying is inspiring, simply epic
Sweet. Sooo, you gonna call this one SharkTooth or what?
Not in to the fireplace! LOL. I flew my whoop in to the lit fireplace this winter, thankfully the fire was almost out and it landed in the corner, but it was the quickest I've moved in a while.
I should have! Haha! 👍
Bug, just order some Sanchez frames from CNC madness. No need to cut off the 4th FC hole because there isn't one.
As always, I am humbled yet very inspired. Thank you for another awesome video!
Really really well done. All of my questions were answered about SB. Outstanding video!
Love your channel, builds and skill... great stuff!
I made a 1s whoop 75mm my and a 1s little devil 2.5” 50g mobula6 board canopy camera even the 1102 8700kv it was amazing! But the 40g 25000kv Motors bi bladed props and 450hv GnBs makes the whoop a little ripper! And it’s tough as nails! I’m also using XT30 connectors it’s what I had and they give you everything always!
Cheers
LOVE the crash clips.....makes me feel normal....lol!
Nice one!
In the crux video you said there is a way to change the little coppter antenna to a real dipol (u.fl) , could you explain that a little better or maybe even do a video on it? Thx
I’ve gotten a lot of requests for that. Maybe I’ll show it on a different build. I use antenna extension cables and cut them to length. It’s a coax cable. The outer mesh goes to ground. The inner wire goes to the antenna pad on the FC. Then you just have to strip away the mesh on the other end to expose the active part of the antenna. 12.92mm of the inner wire should be exposed with no mesh around it. That’s 1/4 wavelength at 5.8GHz. Hope that helps.
@@MrShutterBug Thx for the reply, now I know a little better what to do. If it fits into a video build some time that would be nice, but with that info I may try it once on my own ;^D
Great work as always! I’m really liking DJI FPV but Shark Byte has it beat when it comes to whoops and toothpicks because of it’s size and weight advantage.
That's a really impressive build!
Nate, I saw on the FatShark group that you were discussing the video resolution, disputing the 720p and stating that its closer to 440p. I have discovered that the shyte video quality is because the packet rate is ~15mbps compared to DJI's 50mbps. I found this by looking at the bit rate data in the DVR file's properties. Right click, properties, details - data rate & bit rate. This would be a logical explanation of the video quality
The DVR compresses the video at that bit rate, which is why it looks worse than the live video in the goggles. It is not an indication of the transmission rate.
@@MrShutterBug It looks on par with the goggles and I think the live feed is pretty average. It only uses one channel for transmitting unlike 50mbps mode on DJI which is spread over two channels so it would appear that the transmit bit rate is still way below that of DJI. The video in the goggles looks less than 25mbps mode on DJI - which would substantiate your comments (if they are still valid) about it being 440p and not 720p
What are your thoughts on the transmit bit rate and how do you think the quality issue could be solved?
Could it be that the bitrate is right because its upscaled 440p to 720p?
@@DarrenAllatt I agree DJI has more image data and Shark Byte is less detailed than we would like. My point was that you can’t tell the transmission rate by the DVR rate. Also, the two systems work in very different ways. Shark Byte sends the full data of the frame every frame. That way, the experience can continue even if some blocks of the data fail to transmit. The DJI system works more like mpeg or RUclips. For each frame it encodes only enough data to transform the previous frame into the new one. If there is a lot of similarity (e.g. half the sky is still the same shade of blue), then you don’t need to send as much data. In that kind of system, you must retransmit any data that was dropped because you can’t move forward otherwise. That retransmission is what causes variable latency. Does that make sense? They are fundamentally different, so comparing bit rate isn’t sufficient. I don’t know what the over-the-air bit rate of Shark Byte is, but it must be reasonably high to transmit even 480p60 without depending on the previous frame the way DJI does. I would guess that it is close to the 25mbit that DJI uses when restricted to the same bandwidth. But that is just a guess. The people who advocate for Shark Byte all claim that it is transmitting a true 720p60 signal but neither of the two cameras actually produce a true 720p signal to feed it. We won’t really know if that’s true unless someone later produces a new camera that really does maximize the system. Who knows if/when that will happen. In the meantime people must choose based on what is actually available today. For myself, I love DJI for exploring the world and for casual freestyle. It looks great in those cases. However, I prefer the feel of Shark Byte when racing or flying fast proximity. That’s my choice. I can feel the DJI latency changing (I’m cursed that way) and I like the way the Shark Byte quality is unaffected by speed where the DJI image gets much more blurry when you fly fast close to the ground (eg when there is little coherency from frame to frame). And of course there’s the weight and size differences. So… strengths and weaknesses. Both systems have a place IMO. Cheers.
I found with the tx5s I get about 1k on 200 mw have been playing with antenna s seems to improve picture also the updates make a big difference I'v seen some interesting video's on changing lenses there is a new tx5r race tx coming shark byte keeps getting better I'm running it on 3in and 4in will look at trying to fit it on my 120 after seeing this video
I do plan on changing lenses. I hear the Baby Ratel lens is good for that.
Call that hd however you want. That thing is just slightly better than analog.
I think it is a significant improvement over analog, but it is easier to see that difference in the goggles than online. That said, I also agree that it is not demonstrating full 720p "HD" as they claim. I have been told that the Shark Byte protocol is capable of full 1280x720 resolution but nobody has yet made a camera that feeds it with a full "HD" image. Maybe that's true and maybe we'll see a better camera that demonstrates more resolution in the future, but we don't see that today. Today, Shark Byte is like "better analog". Still, it is quite enjoyable to fly with Shark Byte. The low latency and consistent frame rate are actually quire nice. DJI is nice too, but in different ways.
Wow that thing really rips and you can really rip man! 👍
Love your videos. Not just for the great ideas, the builds, and all the learning, but you're also a really skilled pilot! Love your flying style. Looking forward to more. Would love to see a more in-depth Sharkbyte review once you've had some time to test it thoroughly.
Can you tell a difference between the 13mm motors on your DJI digitooth and the 1202.5 on this build?
It’s hard to say. In theory the larger motors should help, but my 13mm motors are on the DJI build which is also heavier, so not a direct comparison.
Really cool build! You make some great points about the shark byte system. I'm all in on DJI right now but have been considering shark byte for racing at least, unless DJI is able to fix the latency issue. The weight is another plus for shark byte. I do hate fatshark as a company though lol. Plenty of reasons to hate on DJI too I guess. Whatever, I'm just happy to have HD FPV.
Cool build vid thanks
nice little ripper
Outstanding work
Wow man that’s awsome!! 🔥🤩
Lost a fet on my crux 3 board when I hit a bamboo leaf with the front left prop.Flew like 7 packs and died from that.I'm waiting on a flywoo aio to replace it hoping 13A holds up better.
Thanks for the tutiorial - I just wish somebody would produce a decent cam for the Sharkbyte system, the Foxeer cam is also a let-down.
I mean... I don't think I'm getting into sharkbyte just yet...
but love watching you work.
and the results looks damn nice
wow !! those freestyle chops are awesome !!! thanks for sharing the build and your fly footage :) i Dig it !!!
I'd love to own digital but $$ will keep me at analog for the time I'm able to fly FPV. I have a great time so no stress here, my mates love DJI and I can't blame them as it looks amazing haha.
Just fly and have fun! That’s the main thing! 👍
@@MrShutterBug That's it mate! I do wish the system played together better though, it sucks now most of my friends have DJI I get so much interference on my analog when a few of then are in the air.
Fantastic video and build. Thanks fo sharing!
Great stuff. Love your builds.
Awesome build and quad. I like to call it the Douglas Dive🤩
Good job😀😀😀
You not only can build but also smash those sticks hard. Good job. I'm subscribing
that camera mount is fantastic! It would be even better if there were several angle options availabe. Unfortunately I am completely hopeless in these types of programs. Would you mind providing additional stl files for different camera angles (up to 45 deg ideally ^^)
Good timing! I just uploaded them! Link in the video description. Now in 30, 35, 40, and 45 deg. I also shaved a bit of material off the back to make them lighter (fraction of a gram). Let me know what you think!
I really enjoyed watching that
I'd building some similar picks but using the crazy F411 pro aio fc........ should have a look at those for this kind of project ;)
Great video thank u
love how it fly's
Great video as always!
Really curious what your thoughts are on that new AIO fc with the USB port connected via wires (I think it's diatone). Wondering if you just desoldered the wires after initial setup, how much weight savings you could get over a traditional AIO - would love to see one of your ultralight build videos like that
do you feel the same confidence flying in scraggle and trees with sharkbyte as you do with DJI?
It’s too early for me to say for sure. In general, I think the DJI system helps me resolve finer details including scraggle, but only when the DJI signal is strong. When it gets weaker, the DJI image gets blurry. The shark byte image never gets blurry, it just gets a bunch of garbage on screen. I’m pretty good at looking past that interference (probably from my long familiarity with analog static) so I can usually still make out what I need to see. So DJI has a sharper clearer image most of the time, but I have not yet had any actual problems running into things that I couldn’t see with SB. Hope that helps. Cheers!
This is great its definitely better than analog. Cant wait to hear your thoughts on how it works for you with racing. Thanks for all your hard work and sharing your findings cheers.
Great video. Super informative! Damn I wish I could solder like you!
Hi Mr.shutterbug im dev frm india......recntly i seeing ur nanobug vlog im so impressed and i luv it ...this👆video i can't see closeup view ...i want to see closup shot s in soldring...thats reqest...and ....f4 flight control attached Nano reciver..skip 😭 bcz ...i wnt see soldring side everything...bcz im beggnier...i like ur videos...i need more videos in micro drons..👍🔥❤️❤️❤️🔥by dev
i NEED 20mm stack version of shark Byte VTX. 😭
6 dji people put dislike.
Awesome video.
I hace all to build mine, waiting for my AIO
Your a brave soul . I have to know , how many times have you put a quad in those big pine trees :P
I have never gotten stuck in the trees behind my house, thankfully, but I did loose one in this tree: ruclips.net/video/jjNHp8qeEFo/видео.html
Hey, really awesome work but i was expecting a resin printed canopy cos that would have been perfect? Tpu is very good because it wont break but mixing resins like flex100 or strong-x could make it as though with the benefits of reduced weight and beatiful canopy. Its only $250 for the printer (elegoo mars) but i guess total could go up to $700 but you would love the 0.05x0.05x0.05mm accuracy.
That sounds amazing, but it's kind of a lot to spend for the small number of parts that I end up printing.
@@MrShutterBug You are right about the spending but are you sure you wont find a way around that? aaand its gone.
I would love to see you Compare it to a decased caddx vista hd to hd heads up 👍
Joshua Bardwell is borrowing my Shark Byte build. He already released a video about his latest decased Vista 3" build. He will be showing my build soon, so I imagine he'll be sharing some of his perspective on the tradeoffs. Should be interesting!
Nice video ...I was hoping lightest sharkbyte whoop ...
I already ordered two more Shark Byte VTXs. This won’t be my last SB build for sure. 😉
ive only flown dji drones my smallest one is the iflight 75mm i find it heavy. I am really contemplating going shark bite or just straight analog. but i hate to have to get goggles and radio. im really deep into dji already and i only been in the hobby about a year. its addicting and i just have one of those personality's
You'll need different goggles to fly HDZero, but if you decide to try analog, then you could make it work with the AV-in jack on your DJI goggles. I know several people who do that.
I got mine down to 54.7g with naked Vista and Nebula Nano and I estimate I could get it down to ~52g if I went full Mr. Shutterbug on it :) But instead I upgraded to Nebula Pro which added almost a full gram between camera and a different mount, and the video upgrade is much more significant than performance impact of 1g. Thing is, I don’t think this looks enough better than analog to justify ~7g+ (neither does Nebula Nano for that matter) and it costs roughly the same as DJI which is a whole different experience.
Btw I’m using a 20x20 AIO because it actually works (this one has been with me for over 2 years now) unlike full drawers of these fried whoop and toothpick boards 😅
I do think Shark Byte is significantly better than analog, but the weight is something you can feel at this size. I could go lighter with this one, but I can’t save more than a gram or two without compromising durability (which is clearly a feature I need LOL). DJI looks better for sure, but I don’t think it feels better. Again totally subjective. Also, I think it’s cool that FatShark is competing and doing some things different from DJI. Competition and selection are good things for all of us!
@@MrShutterBug absolutely, competition is good. I just think DJI is too far ahead to be bothered by SB, especially considering our market size.
@@FilipRadelic DJI was good about updating the system for our use case early on. I hope they don’t stop innovating either.
@@MrShutterBug I hope so too, but all signs point to them being done with us :(
I think it should have been called the Shark Tooth
Awesome. Time to put tracer on it?
It don’t have tracer, but I do have some ELRS receivers on order. 😁