Bob is quite the guru!! I trust in him more than any developer in the fpv market. He's honest and fast about his research. Not to mention he is an all around super nice guy!!
Off the subject, I'd like to thank you for helping people who struggle with questions and your guidance to being the best pilot you can possibly be. Your whole "3 packs a day" has inspired me (and I'm sure many others) to do my best to get at least that much flight time in a day. The end result is, at least for myself, an experienced LOS pilot who was nurvous to loose hundreds of dollars learning to fly FPV in fear it would be gone forever... Lost to that troll hiding in the trees waiting to steel my quad when I loose control, to becoming a confident FPV pilot who only flew auto level, and progressed to Herizon mode, and now confident that it's time for full acro mode. You are appreciated.
Great of JB to fit this review into his schedule. Since I’ve never flown one, I appreciated hearing his perspective vs. 5”. Newbeedrone needs to dump the PH2.0. Looking forward to a Babytooth build in 2021.
Building the Babytooth is really very painless, compared to other tiny quads, using Bob's 1S board. This is especially true, if you buy the Zees 1S board w/Crossfire and Pro32 Nano pre-soldered to it. It simply attaching the motors(large pads) and the camera(use the Caddex Ant lite). It really is the easiest 1S build IMO. MaddProps Bob!
@Joshua Bardwell Love these things! I love my bigger quads but I do have a huge love for micros also . You really need to try the 2s Sensi quad from Dronejunkie.co.uk its amazing ! He has 3 frames a tiny whoop conversion and a 2.5-3inch and 4inch versions of them .
@@eaglevision8601 just looking at it. But doesn't show weight. Kabab has 4inch arms for TP3. Just doesn't advertise because it doesn't like how it feels
Thumbs up if you want to see Joshua build a micro just to see him cussing the whole time 🤣. Add in a MiO cocktail and I think we have a winning video.. 👍
Hey Joshua, if you want some weight (and RIDICULOUS long flight times), solder a XT30 to a 18650. 😉 Anyway, fantastic flying and review! 😃 Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
I've bought the Fouride frame and his 2203 motors and am very impressed with the design and how well these parts work together. I imagine anything he associated him name with is top shelf stuff.
GapSanpperFPV here DUDE My 3" Kabab frames are the BOMB!!!! 1404 motors heavier than most 3" builds but Crossfire & all the things just a freaking mazing !!!! But I run 2s 550mAh batteries.. Oh and I alternate between tri blade tiny hawk props and the bi blades depending on what I want to do
Thanks Joshua. I have a babytooth and toothpick 3. They aren’t really hard to build but you do need patience and a fine point on a good soldering iron helps. I found the curved pointy tip on a hakko really helped. Actually, aren’t you due for another build video?
Savagebee is an epic backyard ripper for first time toothpick flier. Babytooth rules. As Joshua said weight is important, Mr. Shutterbug has a super lightweight version for weight weenies. I use BT2.0 and 450mah and it’s lighter. Swapped FC on my Savagebee to Bob’s Zeez with BT2.0, glued in Ant lite cam like Babytooth and used CRSF nano and now it rules! Thank you Bob for refining what started with brushed motors way back when. This class rules because of his research and hard work!
I built my baby tooth with a mobile 6 board, canopy and camera, gnb27 connector and 1202.5 11,600kv HGLRC motors. I love it. I use gnb 530mah 1s and it's become my "lunchbreak" quad. I get an hour, and I use the whole hour with my goggles on.
I totally agree, got several Toothpicks from Bob and they perform absolutely great and it is a fantastic fun to fly them. And I personally think that its a good thing to support the inventor of this whole class of quads. Thank you, JB, for this great review.
when i started flying drones (this was during the start if micros...the tarot 120 was famoslus that time) , I decided I needed to build brushed micro drones. I had broken tons of brushed boards cause I couldn't solder properly to a point that the shop keeper gave me a free board
@@KyleLi Yes I predict a new board form factor is close perhaps 10x10mm then perhaps later 7.5x7.5mm. We have already started to see 35A 15x15mm ESC's so 15A 10x10mm ESC's would not be unreasonable. Then 1" and smaller props will make more sense. Couple that with recent advancements in metamaterial flat lenses and we can reduce the weight and size of cameras whilst increasing image quality too.
@@jermadjesty Yes the Vista unit will brown out below 5.9v. Attempts to bypass the onboard regulators results in increased weight. It would be easy for DJI to rework a 1s version though. The majority of the logic level runs from 3.3v, 1.8v and 0.9v with only a small regulator for 5v to run the USB interface. The camera is 1.8v.
I only ever built a zmr250 when kk2.1 was a thing(buttons and tuning on your fc). Naze32 fc seemed to complicated to me then. I came back to quads years later and built bob first 1st 1c build and I didn't think it was that annoying to build. With hardly any soldering or no beteflight experience it flew great. Hardest part was figuring out betaflight and how to setup a decent transmitter.
JB can you make a video series dedicated to the science behind choosing parts to build drones? matching escs to motors, how to choose flight controllers and vtx?
two quick observations, you can order the FPV cycle with TBS Crossfire + TBS rpo32 Nano soldered on, You only need to solder the motors and camera and it's not difficult. Also I find flying this is way more fun then a 5in when your confined to a small location.
My Kabab Babytooth is so smooth and buttery. it just floats around. I didn't find building it all that fiddley. Well, with the exception of de-pinning the R-XSR to conserve weight. I went with the TBS nano 32 VTx. I used tri-blade props because there were no bi-blades at the time. It's very quiet. The pads on the Zeez FC are easily accessible and with a small tip, soldering was not all that challenging. Although I would not recommend it for a first-time builder.
@@thetubemeister82 I disagree - value is very subjective, depending upon context. I have built quads, and continue to do so for my 'main flyer', but for everything else I prefer pre-built because I just don't have the time to screw around. That is absolutely not the case for everyone, but that is my point. This isn't really in my interest zone, but (possibly because of that), I absolutely would prefer a BNF. But, for my freestyle quad, yeah, I'll build my own. My point is . . . people value their time differently for different projects.
@@travisSimon365 yes, good points. In this case though, with the comparison focused on these two quads, I just wouldn’t be able to find enough value that puts the SavageBee in front. Building the Babytooth doesn’t look either difficult or particularly time consuming. If a couple of things were different on the SavageBee (better camera, better battery connector, etc.) then it would be a great option to save the hassle of building.
@@travisSimon365 Just that camera - there are far better cameras on the market and I can't see why newbeedrone continue to use this unless they are sitting on 10,000 stock units of this awful ancient camera.
So, a couple of things that I can pass on about the SavageBee. ONE - Rapidfire 1 hates NBD VTX's. Switch to RF2 and you'll be much much much happier with reception. Image quality-wise, it's easy to swap out the better BFPV C01 Pro camera as they share the same port. TWO- They are now shipping with the BBrain Brushless v1 that's 1 and 2s capable and has a 100mw VTX. And you can put any RX you want on it. THREE- go to 48khz on the SavageBee and you'll be rewarded with almost as much punch and much better flight times. FOUR - Instead of XT30, going to the BT2.0 with the awesome TW 333's or "pretty okay" BFPV latest batch 450's will help a ton to make up that difference you are seeing in that XT30. But yes, the 1s micro scene is an old one, but has been reinvigorated by these new products. I'll be doing a special PMB version of the SavageBee hopefully soon, and if not, I do have "The 22" that I flew all summer that's smaller, lighter, and in testing people have said it flies better than a 1s 3", and I tend to agree. Little front yard rippers are pretty freaking fun and make it hard to go back to indoor whoop racing :P
Patrick i literally have a jar with a label "money for the PMB 22". C'mon man, been on the edge of my seat since you first flirted the 22 on FB. Can't wait...
@@DeyRonUSA I have been less convincing that Bob to get anyone to make 802's with 40mm wires again. They all want to see what I am making first so they can copy it :P I am hoping Jesse P will pull through. Nothing against these Micros, or even the awesome HX100SE, but I still fly my 22 more than anything else.
"You can buy the parts from kebab on his site" lol, I've been trying to get the FC and motors for a couple of months now. They seem to always be out of stock, so I ended up finding a few other roughly similar parts. It's an amazingly fun little quad, and it's super quiet so I can actually fly it at the park! Also, they definitely are very durable. Part of it is that if they fall from a great height, the prop disc area effectively acts like a parachute. I had mine fall off a ledge at about 50 feet and it didn't even have a scratch on it.
@@fubar4fpv of course I have - shop there all the time. But, they don’t carry the 1202.5 motors (the ones usually called for on the baby tooth. I think bardwell got some prototypes or something), just the 1303 motors which are for 2 or 3s builds, as I recall. Additionally, they don’t stock the fpvcycle AIO. So, I can’t get the parts that I was talking about in my original comment.
Ladies & Gents, this is the future of our hobby, after the new restrictions kick in. I have followed KababFPV's R&D on toothpicks for so long that I decided to build one myself. I am in such charm with this class/type of drone, with it's low cost, flying capabilities&overall performance, low inertia in crashes, neighbour friendlyness, that I am probably not going back to 5 inches anymore. After having a horrible fire on my last 6S high end rig which nearly set everything to smoke, I left the field with frustration & sorrow... After scratching my head in which direction to go with the power source 1S? 2S? or 3S? I have decided to go bonkers and grab the 3S Packs & low KV motors, because it is always safer to go with low KV and from then jump to lower voltage if needed. The High KV + high voltage + throttle cap way is a NO GO! DON'T DO IT! IT ONLY LOOKS TEMPTING, BUT YOU RISK BLOWING YOUR ESC'S, OR SMOKING YOUR MOTORS!!! This happend to me 3 times - 2 burned ESC's + almost one whole quad incl. 6S battery. Then suddenly a kindly Brushless Motors Engineer messaged me explaining the whole phenomenon/bad influence of a High KV + High Voltage + Throttle cap combo for nearly 3 hours and opened my eyes for good... This is a terrible decision! Trust me, don't do it - be smarter than me and other who smoked their quads due to it! Maybe someone will make a video about it in the near future, I myself don't feel the confidence in my knowledge to pass the lesson over to the community, an Engineer should step out and warn everybody, in the meantime please keep your hands off it... Coming back to the toothpicks - I just want to thank you KababFPV for your tremendous work you have put into popularising this class of drones and giving hope to everybody into the future of our hobby (I didn't write "invented" :p). Let's face it, people have proofed it can be possible to build an AUW sub 250g 5inch, you can make it AOKFLY, but the first obstacle you crash into on high speed will decide if it has any sense... My guess is - probably not... Maybe it won't be a dying breed like X-Class but the old 5inchers will probably be put to the side and get overshadowed by the new kids on the block - the 3" youngbloods :)
I like a Mini/Micro Dean's connector -- about half the weight of an xt30 but has all the current carrying capacity you could need in 1s or even 2s space under 1000mah.
Even only watching the video static and RSSI warnings make me anxious. I just cannot go back to that anymore. The huge advancements in toothpicks is maybe one of he best things in 2020.
You said the resistance of the ph2.0 was a problem and also the smaller battery not being able to push the current. I think it's more about the battery then the connector. Them 300 mah are on the edge of being able to handle these guys.
The savagebee doesn't make much sense IMO. It needs the xt30 upgrade, but if you do that then the quad has entered the speed/power class where the built-in SPI receiver is not good enough. Then once you've done those upgrades, both the camera and VTX need to be upgraded too (a camera that blurry is only passable on a cheap 65mm whoop IMO). But at that point it's a completely different quad, so why buy the savagebee?
Something you missed when it comes to which you should buy is availability. I've wanted a BabyTooth for months now and have been sitting on the list to get a notification when some of the parts are available for a while now. So far, I have the frame, canopy, and camera. I've been considering buying the SavageBee just because I really want something in this class but I'm losing hope on ever grabbing the AIO and motors from FPVCycle.
My babytooth actually flys phenomenally well with a 650 4s, it smooths it out a bit, motors aren't even warm to the touch after flying, gobs of power, and absurdly long flight times.
Be mindful of the issues in the early days of putting XT30's on these AIO's. A lot had flaky 5v regs and would blow from the higher current spike coming down the line unless you add a capacitor too. (Not saying the newbeedrone board is flaky but it's something to be mindful of)
I built a baby tooth class quad with the sanchez air frame , an open source available for download at Thingiverse. Mine is 38g dry and my favorite quad. It is the perfect quad for backyards. Fast , light , quiet , need I go on ?
Flew the savagebee but I preferred the way a 2S 2inch quad flys.( Emax TH race) It feels a bit more flingable if that a word, it flys more like my racing drones. I don't need that extra token a 3inch has as a 2inch can do 50mph anyways and is plenty for tight prox flying.
Savagebee eating batteries like candy, very quiet, didnt even notice until JB said it. The babytooth was also pretty quite. They both seem pretty nice. Pretty rough on batteries though. I agree on upgrading to an xt30! Someone should caption smacking a toothpick into my wife's camper...
Bob's naming scheme. First Toothpick, 2s 1103 65mm props. months had passed. second Toothpick 3, 3s 1204/1303 gf3018/16 months had passed. third Toothpick 1s 3" aka Babytooth. i think Babytooth sounds better than a lengthy 1s 3" toothpick name.
Biggest problem with babytooth is that it's always out of stock. I have had the motors and a couple of frames for almost 5 months already and still haven't gotten hold of the fc aio
You should concider doing a review of this KO method motors. They have some kind of oil cooling system and you actually freeze them with some kind of spray🤯
I think 1s offers a fair bit more safety since the props are moving at lower rpms. I'll sacrifice that for power, ill bring out the whoop if I'm flying close to people
I'm very pissed about NewBeeDrone. My first order from them was a brushed acrobee and it had some weird thing with the OSD. It was very blury and colorful. Than they said they will send me a new FC and all was fine with this thing. Then a few weeks later I ordered a BeeBrainBrushless V2(Whoop), the SavageBee kit and a Flysky BeeCeiver for a friend. (SavageBee) I builded it and went out to test it. On the first battery all was fine and I was very impressed about this thing, but on the second battery the VTX just shut off for a few seconds and I had a complete black screen and crashed hard into the concrete (I just flew over concrete because I normally don't crash) And from the crash the freaking 50$ motors were broken.... (BBLV2 Whoop) First I noticed that the C clips on all of the four motors were on the wrong place and the motor bells had a lot of space to move and a lot of wobble. Than on the first flight I noticed that the SPI receiver is broken because when I flew into the next room I had a failsafe. I only can fly this thing in the same room or I get failsafes. Outside it was even worse I only can fly 5-10m before it failsafes... Then I soldered the Flysky receiver into the quad of my friend and it did not powered up. I tried it on another FC but still the same. I recorded all the issues, uploaded a video and send it to NewBeeDrone. But they just answered me about the SavageBee a few days later after I asked if they please could answer me and just about the SavageBee issue and said that they will send me a new FC when they have the V2 FCs back in stock and ignored all the other issues. I waited a few days and e-mailed them again if they please could answer me about the other issues, but nothing. A few days later I asked again but still the same. Then I wrote to them if they not answer me I will write a PayPal ticket. Half an hour later they answered me on all the mails and said that they will send me all that stuff. I asked them if they could send me new SavageBee motors because the just broke because of the broken FC that I got from them. And again no answer for days and I asked again... Still no answer. I said again I will go for the PayPal ticket if they don't answer me. Half an hour later they said they will check if they can send me new motors. I am from Germany and I even have to pay 20$ shipping for every order and 50€ taxes in Germany for a 150$ order but that was okay for me because I love how the NewBeeDrone stuff fly. I can't believe that I have to threaten them with a PayPal ticket before I get answer from them...... And they say they try to have the best customer support. Even the Banggood support is much better than the NBD support I´m so pissed about them.... Edit: And I'm sorry for the horrible english :/
Obviously you can switch out a spi receiver with a full range receiver just by messing around in the ports tab, is it possible to do an aftermarket vtx switch on the Newbeedrone? that would make it so much better for me
Dude I wish that I had that house, barn and area to fly FPV. you are one lucky dog to have such nice area to fly FPV all day long.
There is his house in liftoff, if you want
I have a cool location not far from where I live :) ruclips.net/video/Udam8VhiHGI/видео.html
If you can fly real good with a quiet drone you can fly anywhere.... *wink*
liftoff
@@townc2824 Where do you live? Right beside Kabab? It looks really similar!
Bob is quite the guru!! I trust in him more than any developer in the fpv market. He's honest and fast about his research. Not to mention he is an all around super nice guy!!
"This is my dog Mamba."
"What breed is that?"
"Diatone"
ok, I`ll see myself out.
i thought it was called baba...
LOL. That was my first thought when he said the dogs name.
nice
I like it, he names his dog after flight controllers! Great review as always!
The African mamba is one of the most poisonous snakes on earth.
That’s pretty badass!
He is like the Mozzy of drones! I love 💕 his reviews! I learn so much!
He seemed to be misbehaving maybe needed flashing
@@joedafpv6770 "JOSH WHERE ARE MY BALLS"
@@im_ricebowl pahaha
Ok I'm sold. I would have never guessed these quads were only running on 1s. Amazing
Check out the fpvcycle Facebook page
The xt30 is in insane improvement over other connectors , I moved to it from ph2.0 and it gained 1g weight but has no sag now and better speed
Off the subject, I'd like to thank you for helping people who struggle with questions and your guidance to being the best pilot you can possibly be.
Your whole "3 packs a day" has inspired me (and I'm sure many others) to do my best to get at least that much flight time in a day.
The end result is, at least for myself, an experienced LOS pilot who was nurvous to loose hundreds of dollars learning to fly FPV in fear it would be gone forever... Lost to that troll hiding in the trees waiting to steel my quad when I loose control, to becoming a confident FPV pilot who only flew auto level, and progressed to Herizon mode, and now confident that it's time for full acro mode.
You are appreciated.
Great of JB to fit this review into his schedule. Since I’ve never flown one, I appreciated hearing his perspective vs. 5”. Newbeedrone needs to dump the PH2.0. Looking forward to a Babytooth build in 2021.
These are the future of fpv! 👌
Right🤟
1s 3" props!!! Just translates to pure fun my brothas!
I appreciate all the time you’ve put into teaching us all the ins and outs of this FPV addiction. ❤️ the channel 👍
Building the Babytooth is really very painless, compared to other tiny quads, using Bob's 1S board. This is especially true, if you buy the Zees 1S board w/Crossfire and Pro32 Nano pre-soldered to it. It simply attaching the motors(large pads) and the camera(use the Caddex Ant lite). It really is the easiest 1S build IMO. MaddProps Bob!
Be great once they eventually release.....😔
Just skipped from the most recent Linustechtips video because you posted a new. Looking forward to this
Same here 😂
MY SON'S BADMINTON TOURNAMENT.
@@JoshuaBardwell yup.. This speaks more to me.
@Joshua Bardwell Love these things! I love my bigger quads but I do have a huge love for micros also . You really need to try the 2s Sensi quad from Dronejunkie.co.uk its amazing ! He has 3 frames a tiny whoop conversion and a 2.5-3inch and 4inch versions of them .
@@eaglevision8601 just looking at it. But doesn't show weight. Kabab has 4inch arms for TP3. Just doesn't advertise because it doesn't like how it feels
Bought the 2s version of the savagebee with crossfire! Thanks for the review!
I built one of Bobs Babypics, absolutely love it!
Thumbs up if you want to see Joshua build a micro just to see him cussing the whole time 🤣. Add in a MiO cocktail and I think we have a winning video.. 👍
Fpvcycle is killing it
Sold out!!!!!!!!
Hey Joshua, if you want some weight (and RIDICULOUS long flight times), solder a XT30 to a 18650. 😉
Anyway, fantastic flying and review! 😃
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Have you seen a build like this?
@@kevinbuecher Yeap. By Kabab FPV.
I've bought the Fouride frame and his 2203 motors and am very impressed with the design and how well these parts work together. I imagine anything he associated him name with is top shelf stuff.
I appreciate how honest you are about the nano quad building. I felt it went understated in other review videos of nanos.
I have a BabyTooth and it flies amazing!
GapSanpperFPV here DUDE My 3" Kabab frames are the BOMB!!!! 1404 motors heavier than most 3" builds but Crossfire & all the things just a freaking mazing !!!! But I run 2s 550mAh batteries.. Oh and I alternate between tri blade tiny hawk props and the bi blades depending on what I want to do
Hard to go wrong with a Baby Tooth!
Thanks Joshua. I have a babytooth and toothpick 3. They aren’t really hard to build but you do need patience and a fine point on a good soldering iron helps. I found the curved pointy tip on a hakko really helped. Actually, aren’t you due for another build video?
Savagebee is an epic backyard ripper for first time toothpick flier. Babytooth rules. As Joshua said weight is important, Mr. Shutterbug has a super lightweight version for weight weenies. I use BT2.0 and 450mah and it’s lighter. Swapped FC on my Savagebee to Bob’s Zeez with BT2.0, glued in Ant lite cam like Babytooth and used CRSF nano and now it rules! Thank you Bob for refining what started with brushed motors way back when. This class rules because of his research and hard work!
I built my baby tooth with a mobile 6 board, canopy and camera, gnb27 connector and 1202.5 11,600kv HGLRC motors. I love it. I use gnb 530mah 1s and it's become my "lunchbreak" quad. I get an hour, and I use the whole hour with my goggles on.
Drone life should be free to fly wherever by now it’s not likely causing harm to anyone. But keep up the great work 👌🏽👍🏽
Bob has so much intuition for these little flying things, i trust his opinion more than anoyone else
LOVE the Babytooth! Long live KababFPV
I totally agree, got several Toothpicks from Bob and they perform absolutely great and it is a fantastic fun to fly them. And I personally think that its a good thing to support the inventor of this whole class of quads. Thank you, JB, for this great review.
I am absolutely love 1s quads. Most that can be flown on 1or 2s, I get more enjoyment flying with 1s.
when i started flying drones (this was during the start if micros...the tarot 120 was famoslus that time) , I decided I needed to build brushed micro drones. I had broken tons of brushed boards cause I couldn't solder properly to a point that the shop keeper gave me a free board
I dream of the day we can get a 1s DJI HD-FPV all in one board in a quad at the same AUW weight.
Soon.
This... I wish we could get something sub 40mm even lol
DJI needs more than 1s voltage, though
@@KyleLi Yes I predict a new board form factor is close perhaps 10x10mm then perhaps later 7.5x7.5mm. We have already started to see 35A 15x15mm ESC's so 15A 10x10mm ESC's would not be unreasonable. Then 1" and smaller props will make more sense. Couple that with recent advancements in metamaterial flat lenses and we can reduce the weight and size of cameras whilst increasing image quality too.
@@jermadjesty Yes the Vista unit will brown out below 5.9v. Attempts to bypass the onboard regulators results in increased weight. It would be easy for DJI to rework a 1s version though. The majority of the logic level runs from 3.3v, 1.8v and 0.9v with only a small regulator for 5v to run the USB interface. The camera is 1.8v.
I only ever built a zmr250 when kk2.1 was a thing(buttons and tuning on your fc). Naze32 fc seemed to complicated to me then. I came back to quads years later and built bob first 1st 1c build and I didn't think it was that annoying to build. With hardly any soldering or no beteflight experience it flew great. Hardest part was figuring out betaflight and how to setup a decent transmitter.
JB can you make a video series dedicated to the science behind choosing parts to build drones? matching escs to motors, how to choose flight controllers and vtx?
Joshua!! YOU ARE getting so GOOD at this... i had sooo much fun watching this... thanks
15:05 "Don't hit yourself in the head, Bardwell."
Lmao!
I'm obsessed with toothpicks. Thanks for the review, Know-it-all. 👌
two quick observations, you can order the FPV cycle with TBS Crossfire + TBS rpo32 Nano soldered on, You only need to solder the motors and camera and it's not difficult. Also I find flying this is way more fun then a 5in when your confined to a small location.
My Kabab Babytooth is so smooth and buttery. it just floats around. I didn't find building it all that fiddley. Well, with the exception of de-pinning the R-XSR to conserve weight. I went with the TBS nano 32 VTx. I used tri-blade props because there were no bi-blades at the time. It's very quiet. The pads on the Zeez FC are easily accessible and with a small tip, soldering was not all that challenging. Although I would not recommend it for a first-time builder.
SavageBee camera is ROUGH. Reminds me of whoops from 2017. Not good enough in 2020.
Indeed, Runcam Nano seems much better! 💯
The SavageBee gets so many things wrong. Not really even worth considering if you know how to build.
@@thetubemeister82 I disagree - value is very subjective, depending upon context. I have built quads, and continue to do so for my 'main flyer', but for everything else I prefer pre-built because I just don't have the time to screw around. That is absolutely not the case for everyone, but that is my point. This isn't really in my interest zone, but (possibly because of that), I absolutely would prefer a BNF. But, for my freestyle quad, yeah, I'll build my own. My point is . . . people value their time differently for different projects.
@@travisSimon365 yes, good points. In this case though, with the comparison focused on these two quads, I just wouldn’t be able to find enough value that puts the SavageBee in front. Building the Babytooth doesn’t look either difficult or particularly time consuming. If a couple of things were different on the SavageBee (better camera, better battery connector, etc.) then it would be a great option to save the hassle of building.
@@travisSimon365 Just that camera - there are far better cameras on the market and I can't see why newbeedrone continue to use this unless they are sitting on 10,000 stock units of this awful ancient camera.
So, a couple of things that I can pass on about the SavageBee. ONE - Rapidfire 1 hates NBD VTX's. Switch to RF2 and you'll be much much much happier with reception. Image quality-wise, it's easy to swap out the better BFPV C01 Pro camera as they share the same port. TWO- They are now shipping with the BBrain Brushless v1 that's 1 and 2s capable and has a 100mw VTX. And you can put any RX you want on it. THREE- go to 48khz on the SavageBee and you'll be rewarded with almost as much punch and much better flight times. FOUR - Instead of XT30, going to the BT2.0 with the awesome TW 333's or "pretty okay" BFPV latest batch 450's will help a ton to make up that difference you are seeing in that XT30.
But yes, the 1s micro scene is an old one, but has been reinvigorated by these new products. I'll be doing a special PMB version of the SavageBee hopefully soon, and if not, I do have "The 22" that I flew all summer that's smaller, lighter, and in testing people have said it flies better than a 1s 3", and I tend to agree. Little front yard rippers are pretty freaking fun and make it hard to go back to indoor whoop racing :P
Patrick i literally have a jar with a label "money for the PMB 22". C'mon man, been on the edge of my seat since you first flirted the 22 on FB. Can't wait...
@@DeyRonUSA I have been less convincing that Bob to get anyone to make 802's with 40mm wires again. They all want to see what I am making first so they can copy it :P I am hoping Jesse P will pull through. Nothing against these Micros, or even the awesome HX100SE, but I still fly my 22 more than anything else.
Okay nice, thanks for the great tipps :D
Awesome review Joshua, welcome to the wonderful world of Toothpicks. Happy Flying !
"You can buy the parts from kebab on his site" lol, I've been trying to get the FC and motors for a couple of months now. They seem to always be out of stock, so I ended up finding a few other roughly similar parts. It's an amazingly fun little quad, and it's super quiet so I can actually fly it at the park!
Also, they definitely are very durable. Part of it is that if they fall from a great height, the prop disc area effectively acts like a parachute. I had mine fall off a ledge at about 50 feet and it didn't even have a scratch on it.
Never heard of RDQ?
@@fubar4fpv of course I have - shop there all the time. But, they don’t carry the 1202.5 motors (the ones usually called for on the baby tooth. I think bardwell got some prototypes or something), just the 1303 motors which are for 2 or 3s builds, as I recall. Additionally, they don’t stock the fpvcycle AIO.
So, I can’t get the parts that I was talking about in my original comment.
@@KaminKevCrew right right forgot they only have 1303's, TBS has 1202's in stock
Ladies & Gents, this is the future of our hobby, after the new restrictions kick in. I have followed KababFPV's R&D on toothpicks for so long that I decided to build one myself. I am in such charm with this class/type of drone, with it's low cost, flying capabilities&overall performance, low inertia in crashes, neighbour friendlyness, that I am probably not going back to 5 inches anymore. After having a horrible fire on my last 6S high end rig which nearly set everything to smoke, I left the field with frustration & sorrow... After scratching my head in which direction to go with the power source 1S? 2S? or 3S? I have decided to go bonkers and grab the 3S Packs & low KV motors, because it is always safer to go with low KV and from then jump to lower voltage if needed. The High KV + high voltage + throttle cap way is a NO GO! DON'T DO IT! IT ONLY LOOKS TEMPTING, BUT YOU RISK BLOWING YOUR ESC'S, OR SMOKING YOUR MOTORS!!! This happend to me 3 times - 2 burned ESC's + almost one whole quad incl. 6S battery. Then suddenly a kindly Brushless Motors Engineer messaged me explaining the whole phenomenon/bad influence of a High KV + High Voltage + Throttle cap combo for nearly 3 hours and opened my eyes for good... This is a terrible decision! Trust me, don't do it - be smarter than me and other who smoked their quads due to it! Maybe someone will make a video about it in the near future, I myself don't feel the confidence in my knowledge to pass the lesson over to the community, an Engineer should step out and warn everybody, in the meantime please keep your hands off it... Coming back to the toothpicks - I just want to thank you KababFPV for your tremendous work you have put into popularising this class of drones and giving hope to everybody into the future of our hobby (I didn't write "invented" :p). Let's face it, people have proofed it can be possible to build an AUW sub 250g 5inch, you can make it AOKFLY, but the first obstacle you crash into on high speed will decide if it has any sense... My guess is - probably not... Maybe it won't be a dying breed like X-Class but the old 5inchers will probably be put to the side and get overshadowed by the new kids on the block - the 3" youngbloods :)
Whoop there it is! I know your old enough to get that Bardwell
This guy knows everything about everything.
For the record if anyone was curious I have a 1s 3" preset in emuflight that works for both of these quads, check it out ya'll
You do make different outros, where you move and or change the items in your fridge. Classy as always JB
Amaizing content. Keep up the great work👍👍🤟🔥
30 likes 7 views, damn joshua is on another level
The caddx ant image is so good! I was just wondering about it (because weight and price) and you show us this perfect flight footage! Thanks, JB! 😆👍🏻
Love the doggo interruption, he is a good boy
Babytooth for the win! I love my babytooth builds. My lightest one is 28g and I use BT2 connectors.
I like a Mini/Micro Dean's connector -- about half the weight of an xt30 but has all the current carrying capacity you could need in 1s or even 2s space under 1000mah.
Farmers - corn behind the ear
Architect - pencil behind the ear
Joshua Bardwell - lipo battery
Even only watching the video static and RSSI warnings make me anxious. I just cannot go back to that anymore. The huge advancements in toothpicks is maybe one of he best things in 2020.
You said the resistance of the ph2.0 was a problem and also the smaller battery not being able to push the current. I think it's more about the battery then the connector. Them 300 mah are on the edge of being able to handle these guys.
Loved the video, but liked it for Mamba. You should make a video about that nice camper.
The savagebee doesn't make much sense IMO. It needs the xt30 upgrade, but if you do that then the quad has entered the speed/power class where the built-in SPI receiver is not good enough. Then once you've done those upgrades, both the camera and VTX need to be upgraded too (a camera that blurry is only passable on a cheap 65mm whoop IMO). But at that point it's a completely different quad, so why buy the savagebee?
I want a babytooth so bad! Such an awesome backyard ripper
Something you missed when it comes to which you should buy is availability. I've wanted a BabyTooth for months now and have been sitting on the list to get a notification when some of the parts are available for a while now. So far, I have the frame, canopy, and camera. I've been considering buying the SavageBee just because I really want something in this class but I'm losing hope on ever grabbing the AIO and motors from FPVCycle.
The Babytooth flies amazing. Which makes it easy for other companies to base their versions off of. Its like you cant go wrong with that setup.
My babytooth actually flys phenomenally well with a 650 4s, it smooths it out a bit, motors aren't even warm to the touch after flying, gobs of power, and absurdly long flight times.
it is easiest build ever :D
- solder 3 wires from VTX, solder cam 2 wires to VTX + cam wire to FC. solder 4 wires crossfire, done
Great vid JD, Im gonna have to make an addition to the Drone family. Have a great Christmas
Be mindful of the issues in the early days of putting XT30's on these AIO's. A lot had flaky 5v regs and would blow from the higher current spike coming down the line unless you add a capacitor too. (Not saying the newbeedrone board is flaky but it's something to be mindful of)
I built a baby tooth class quad with the sanchez air frame , an open source available for download at Thingiverse. Mine is 38g dry and my favorite quad. It is the perfect quad for backyards. Fast , light , quiet , need I go on ?
I already purchased the CRSF NBD with intent to drop them 18650 vape batteries on it for crousin and them fat 1s Lipo HV for acro training
crazy how much has changed in a few years in this hobby
Josh add soilder to your pins fill them up with soilder and you won't get half the sag brother!! Happy flying!!
Flew the savagebee but I preferred the way a 2S 2inch quad flys.( Emax TH race) It feels a bit more flingable if that a word, it flys more like my racing drones. I don't need that extra token a 3inch has as a 2inch can do 50mph anyways and is plenty for tight prox flying.
That was my reaction as well when I got the Ant camera!
Savagebee eating batteries like candy, very quiet, didnt even notice until JB said it. The babytooth was also pretty quite. They both seem pretty nice. Pretty rough on batteries though. I agree on upgrading to an xt30!
Someone should caption smacking a toothpick into my wife's camper...
BabyThooth.. like it! So smooth.. 👍😍🔥🔥🔥
Kabab invested so many hours of workload in this project, I can't wait to get all the components from FPVCycle and build it exactly as he said!
i just got Bob Roogi's babytooth. and this video is like comparing a Prius to a Mustang.
Baby Tooth going back to their Roots. Teeth Puns.
Can't wait for the vista to start being used on quads like these
Impressive, looks like a fun little ripper!
lol, Mamba was like, "Oh heck no." *then bails
Hey Josh. Thanks for a lot of awesome videos. I found your video on checking your ESC. Do you have one on checking FC?
Kind regards from Denmark
David
I love 1s quads. I have a red shifters ion and it's super fun
That looks so fun to fly!!!
Bob's naming scheme.
First Toothpick, 2s 1103 65mm props.
months had passed.
second Toothpick 3, 3s 1204/1303 gf3018/16
months had passed.
third Toothpick 1s 3" aka Babytooth. i think Babytooth sounds better than a lengthy 1s 3" toothpick name.
Biggest problem with babytooth is that it's always out of stock. I have had the motors and a couple of frames for almost 5 months already and still haven't gotten hold of the fc aio
Contact me on FB. I'll send you one of the v2 boards while we wait for the final version to get here
That's awesome you should auction The Babytooth off and give the proceeds to charity.
You should concider doing a review of this KO method motors. They have some kind of oil cooling system and you actually freeze them with some kind of spray🤯
The 1303 5000kv motors on 3S is much much more enjoyable than 1S on the TP3 frame. Best small quad I've ever built!
Would 2S be the happy medium?? 🤔
Steve love your work, although faster, I have same (maybe fun?) On baby tooth 1s...
My Tp3 gets flown 1 out of 5 times I fly the babytooth.
I think 1s offers a fair bit more safety since the props are moving at lower rpms. I'll sacrifice that for power, ill bring out the whoop if I'm flying close to people
This is the future of the hobby. Atfer FAA remote ID. LoL
KababFPV FTW!
I prefer the hamo crux3. You should check that ond too.
Joshua, I wonder how the Savage Bee would do with a BT2.0 connector? Seeing as your tests showed an increase with that connector.
Verry nice showing of capabillity s ,even a beginner see s the differend 👍👏
I'm very pissed about NewBeeDrone. My first order from them was a brushed acrobee and it had some weird thing with the OSD. It was very blury and colorful. Than they said they will send me a new FC and all was fine with this thing.
Then a few weeks later I ordered a BeeBrainBrushless V2(Whoop), the SavageBee kit and a Flysky BeeCeiver for a friend. (SavageBee) I builded it and went out to test it. On the first battery all was fine and I was very impressed about this thing, but on the second battery the VTX just shut off for a few seconds and I had a complete black screen and crashed hard into the concrete (I just flew over concrete because I normally don't crash) And from the crash the freaking 50$ motors were broken.... (BBLV2 Whoop) First I noticed that the C clips on all of the four motors were on the wrong place and the motor bells had a lot of space to move and a lot of wobble. Than on the first flight I noticed that the SPI receiver is broken because when I flew into the next room I had a failsafe. I only can fly this thing in the same room or I get failsafes. Outside it was even worse I only can fly 5-10m before it failsafes...
Then I soldered the Flysky receiver into the quad of my friend and it did not powered up. I tried it on another FC but still the same.
I recorded all the issues, uploaded a video and send it to NewBeeDrone. But they just answered me about the SavageBee a few days later after I asked if they please could answer me and just about the SavageBee issue and said that they will send me a new FC when they have the V2 FCs back in stock and ignored all the other issues. I waited a few days and e-mailed them again if they please could answer me about the other issues, but nothing. A few days later I asked again but still the same. Then I wrote to them if they not answer me I will write a PayPal ticket. Half an hour later they answered me on all the mails and said that they will send me all that stuff. I asked them if they could send me new SavageBee motors because the just broke because of the broken FC that I got from them. And again no answer for days and I asked again... Still no answer. I said again I will go for the PayPal ticket if they don't answer me. Half an hour later they said they will check if they can send me new motors.
I am from Germany and I even have to pay 20$ shipping for every order and 50€ taxes in Germany for a 150$ order but that was okay for me because I love how the NewBeeDrone stuff fly.
I can't believe that I have to threaten them with a PayPal ticket before I get answer from them...... And they say they try to have the best customer support. Even the Banggood support is much better than the NBD support
I´m so pissed about them....
Edit: And I'm sorry for the horrible english :/
18:36 the dog 😭😭😭
you're gonna love the moblite7 and 6
Its so a old build bro . We built these light weight whoop for age . Just saying
@@tarkusxfpv8010 the shutter bug build isn't new? That's cool that you've been doing it for a while :)))
Obviously you can switch out a spi receiver with a full range receiver just by messing around in the ports tab, is it possible to do an aftermarket vtx switch on the Newbeedrone? that would make it so much better for me
my babytooth is my favorite flying machine
Well, they've finally figured it out...1s 3 inch is the best flying thing ever!!!!!
1s 4in is a thing too.