All I can say from my own personal experience is that I've always been active but I was a HUGE meat eater up to 24 years of age. I had high blood pressure and blood sugar issues. When I stopped eating meat my blood pressure normalized and when I began cutting dairy my health was better in the sense that my acne left and allergies stopped. This is just my personal experience
@@Nut899 eating and drinking everything else. I eat normal no "substituting" just eating. There's protein and other nutrients in everything even veggies. And I'm healthy no deficiencies
I have gone plant based and my skin cleared up too. I came off my skin medication. The best thing though was my insomnia stopped within 2 weeks of starting my diet.
@@Dr_Lucozade I was waking between 1 and 4 and basically staying awake for around 4 hours!!. But if you give this a go. It might not work for you remember. Also. Transition slowly. Or, you'll get a bad tummy. I started by upping my plants. Seeds, nuts, oats, beans, rice, fruit and veg. Aim for 10 plants a day. Drink water with every meal. I really hope this works. Not sleeping makes you feel so rubbish. I sympathise.
I'm transitioning to a plant based diet. I can't believe how much has changed. My skin cleared up. I came off my skin medication. A stomach problem I had. Its gone. I had insomnia for 15 years. Now i sleep through every night. I feel better in myself. My joints hurt less. I've had wobbles and ate the wrong things again. I instantly know about it. I can't sleep. My skin breaks out. I try and tell people and they just look at me like I'm a conspiracy theorist or something. Like I'm mad. But I know it's the diet.
@@KevinsKontentKorner It's much better. Not so hard. Your tastebuds change. With the sleep though. I discovered it's not just about being vegan for me. Because my sleep started to get rubbish again. Noooooo. I realised it was because I was getting lazy and starting to eat vegan rubbish. Processed food. I started eating more whole foods again and my sleeping is back to normal. Thank God! But I love it. I should have done it years ago. I really regret my previous diet choices.
Yes!!. The insomnia came back for me too. Gutted...... But like you, I realised it was all the junk I was eating. So that's gone!. Whole foods are back. I'm fully vegan now, and I don't miss anything, because the food I'm eating is so nice. I want to share it with everyone, but my non vegan family are into their colourless brown food. I wish I'd started this years ago too. But I hadn't stumbled across the information back then.
There are plenty of studies on this topic. Dr Greggor has been studying them for decades. It's not hard to see a trend, that thise who eat more whole plants are healthier. Debunking one or two studies without considering the wider body of evidence is just disingenuous.
I don't think that's debated. If I understand it correctly, there's correlation on a number of fronts (such as affluence) which are tough to disentangle
Potatoes ARE plant based. They are full of potassium, Vitamin B and C. A white potato is not quite like white bread because it is grown from the ground while white bread is either unbleached or enriched.
Mother nature made all animals follow a diet that was born to them, some with short intestines, which are known as meat-eaters, and go to the bathroom within an 1/2 hour, and the long intestines, plant-based eaters. Humans have the same intestines as any plant-based eater. We also have teeth, not fangs as meat eaters. It is a fact that doctors get maybe 1 hour in school to study the effects of food on a human. Today's doctors and some hospitals are now telling patients to move to a plant-based diet and stay away from processed foods. Live foods give a body nutrients that processed foods do not. Humans are very close to gorillas, they eat plants and can pick up a vehicle. If humans are healthy, we don't need doctors, please consider that before listening to them. An honest doctor will tell you something that does not benefit them, but will you. Thousands of doctors are now saying that plant-based is the way for humans because they see the results in front of them. Do your own study before listening to some doctors.
As an identical twin in our fifties my twin who has lived thirty years on plant based and occasionally goes vegan looks better than me by at least 3 or 4 years. Although she always says I seem to have more fun.
just because most vegans are less likely to smoke and drink alcohol and eat less processed food doesn't mean that vegan diets are Heather at all the fact that pesco-vegetarians had the lowest hazard ratio for all-cause mortality in the Adventist Health Study 2 despite pollution? I can see the ecological and other ethical problems with eating seafood, but doesn't epidemiology contradict the claim that a vegan diet is healthier than a pescovegetarian diet? I don't think I know better, it's just that I see some contradiction here. Thanks for your reply. This study on vegans' use of saying vegan being Heather than meat-eater has clearly shown the opposite true with the fish-eater this doesn't mean vegan diets are unhealthy but not optimal as whole food plants based with some fish since this diet provides all the nutrients from plants and B12 DHA and more biologically available vitamins A and D, therefore, non-vegan diets can be slightly Heather than WFPBD Not all vegans eat this diet vegans do eat refined carbs also added vegetable oils are and mock meats are not correct to say that vegans are automatically Heather because their diet is vegan
plant based isnt all out vegan veganism leads to problems in the end people are in denial of this untill it happens to them every one rearchs a point as a vegan where there store of animal foods runs out thats when problems kick in
All I can say is...LISTEN TO YOUR BODY. Some people can chug a glass of beer like it’s nothing. I can’t. Doesn’t mean that beer is as harmful to them as it is to me. Everyone reacts differently to everything. All that matters is how YOU feel after eating something
It doesn't mean that beer is NOT as harmful to them, as it is to you either. Alcohol is still doing damage to your body, whether you get drunk off of a single beer or you drink pint of vodka. "Listen to your body" is what junkies do
BRBallin1 not everyone will listen to what you said. As i eat by what my body needs and i reject any foods that is making me sick, I use to suffer with allergies, high sugars on the edge of catching diatbetes, high Cholesterol poor memory, weak bones, muscle pains and such i tried veganism and it made it worse, i tried keto it also didn't help, know i'm on a carnivore diet and it work after goin' carnivore my sugar drop to normal, my white blood cells went back to normal, my memory improved, my bones became stronger, all my fats became muscle, my muscles healed and no longer hurt, my allergies cleared up my bowlswent back to normal, my teeth got stronger where before i was loosing my teeth, i get no more teeth plaque build up. vegies and sugars made my body sick know i stop eating vegies and sugars an only eat meat my body became healtheir even tho vegans and doctors claim it would do the opposite my doctor ended up apologizing to me for telling me not to listen to my body the only ones who are still refusing to apologize to me are the vegans who attack me and told me i was gonna die for going carnivore since my body needs proved them wrong and they refuse to acknoeledge that carnivore is healthier for some peoples body needs.
Alcohol is a toxic substance and one of the leading causes of cancer, I quit completely after learning of its high association with breast cancer and other cancers, no thanks
I've had a body composition test and the consultant asked me if I were vegetarian. I was shocked, like how could they tell from my body fat alone? Apparently my visceral fat was the lowest of anyone they've ever seen and that the only other people who had visceral fat near my level was a vegetarian. So the proof is in the pudge it seems, and I'm not a particularly health conscious veggo either. I eat a lot of biscuits. Edit: I want to specify that I still had normal to high body fat%, just not a lot around the organs.
It is important to note that women have much less fat around the organs then men if that helps. The health professional that you saw was also trying to make a trend from only two outlier data points from your account. This means that they have only seen 2 people with this outlier ratio of visceral body fat/overall body fat and both happened to be vegetarian. Having low visceral body fat is good though.
Surma Sampo yes that true, we were both outliers and women. Admittedly the consultant was no health professional just a consultant trained in using and reading results from the machine. The majority of the people who had their bfc taken with them were women. I think they should measure people who have been vegan/vegetarian for at least 5 years to see if there is a correlation. And no not all vegetarian diets are equal, it's true. You can be an unhealthy vegan who eats nothing but oreos and chips.
However, being an outlier in a study (if the researcher considers it properly) is an important thing. Isaac Asimov PhD (biochemistry) said that most scientific discoveries are not preceded by the word, "Eureka!" But by "That's strange."
@@ginnyjollykidd I agree with you and Lydia that anomalies are well worth spending research time on. Lowering visceral fat in the population would likely improve health outcomes so spending resources on investigating solutions is worth it. Unfortunately the journalistic profession has the opposite approach where any anomaly must be reported as the new truth.
@@marekjanik9962 But drinking your own semen doesn't cause heart attacks, stroke, angina, type 2 diabetes and impotence. Saturated fat and high cholesterol which comes FROM the meat (as well as ALL animal-based foods) does.
OG 516 B-12 is absolutely necessary to supplement. If you don’t know a fair amount about nutrition then i suggest also taking a multivitamin to make sure you’re getting all your daily mineral+nutrient+vitamin needs :) 💖
@@sarahhhhhhhh569 Chia seeds Spirulina Ezekiel bread Buckwheat Quinoa Amaranth Hempseed Green Peas. Spelt look it up do your research it's not that hard bro
Personally I've been working on a set of diet changes and increased exercise. I've lost 65 lbs in the last 20 months. Right now, I'm working on reducing my red meat intake (goal is 5 times a week), and eating more veg and fish. Salmon burgers and plant burgers are making it easier.
@@andrewj4426 Pick your Poisson - I mean poison. (Truly that was autocorrect.) There are more and more reports these days of tainted foods than I remember decades ago. Personal opinion of course.
Becareful with plant based foods like burgers. Like the other guy said, you're going to get a lot of unstable oils that will kill you and clog your arteries. The burger itself is by far healthier.
@@Freeyourself-tv If you choose arterial plaque, both will do well. If you choose to make your own veggie burgers, without processed oils, using only limited natural fats such as nuts, and nut butters and seeds and using a food processer, the PBWF low fat is a winner. ( You also do not get the growth hormones, bovine spongiform encephalopathy and other such putrid delights....)
I would happily eat according to research studies, mark my physical activity and sleep hours, and report to a lab semi-regularly for the purpose of furthering experimental studies on nutrition, but I would have to be excluded from that final results because I have a chronic illness. It dawned on me while I was writing the previous sentence in this comment that these studies are specifically for people who do not have major health issues already, which is kind of a bummer. I can't say that it's a societal bias, but I certainly feel like it at the moment...dang dude, feels bad
Unfortunately I’ll probably start seeing this study being passed around through various news orgs and seeing every vegan/vegetarian under the sun promoting without looking at the discrepancies. Two questionnaires over seven years? How is that even considered a study?
As a vegetarian, I really hate it when people talk about how it's healthier. This itself shows it may not actually be, and if it is, it's ridiculously small. There are other far more compelling reasons to not eat meat and animal products, including (but no limited to) the environment and the ethics. Anyway, I'll step down from my soap box now.
Lexa this vegan under the sun won’t be doing that. No single study proves ANYTHING. Admittedly, this study is really not that great but there’s other studies out there that are better. It’s always easy to criticize a single study. And for the record, I’m not a vegan for my health.
The best nutrition study is human history. The second best is found in the book "Nutrition and Physical Degeneration" By Weston A. Price. Price traveled around the world in the 1930's to isolated modern and primitive cultures and recorded their nutritional practices. Briefly he found that the more animal food cultures ate the healthier they were. All cuiltures health was destroyed by modern foods, refined carbohydrates and seed oils. westonaprice.org
Realistically, how would a randomized control trial take place when testing nutrition or diet? People are very unlikely to allow researchers to control EVERYTHING about their life as we do with lab rats... that is likely the biggest reason it’s so hard to do RCT with nutrition studies.
You are right. But without RCT we can't rule lots of confounding variables. If we can't do RCT and can't make strong nutritional claims without them then we probably can't make strong nutritional claims. Well we can make the claims and people will and do, but they aren't claims based on good science.
MyOther Soul yeah but that’s just a really extreme statement I feel, because we can’t really do RCT but we still know that certain things are bad for you such as excess sugar, trans fat, etc. I think there has to be something in the middle. Honestly, if you ask me, the issue isn’t necessarily with the studies themselves (after all they admit their limitations most of the time) but with the media that reports on it. Typically that is where grand statements are made, NOT in the studies themselves. So perhaps the problem isn’t with studies, but the lack of scientific literacy of the public and the exaggerating media which deludes people into believing such bold claims.
@@jillianm8958 I think its both. I'm sure most of these researchers love that the media does these types of things so that they can get more funding for their next project. And if the researchers had a certain agenda when thinking up the study, so much the better when the media runs away with it.
So this video told me what I already know: plant diet might or might not have an effect on cardiovascular disease. Sample is of course biased. It is not progressive research; it doesn't follow people from, say, young 20's to senior. It doesn't require a diet journal for portions and foods. This kind of control is difficult. I don't know if you could actually conduct it. Unless you provide an easy device to input this kind of information and a scale to weigh the portions and foods. Measuring these things would change the way people feel about eating, even if you say "Eat what you want. Just keep this journal." But a diet journal kept over several years can show how people do change their habits.
"Plant diet might or might not have an effect on cardiovascular disease." --- I guess that from watching only this video, you would conclude that. It would be a good idea to read the vast body of unbiased research and you will see that these are very much related.
@@ginnyjollykidd I actually just made a video on this today. I mostly used randomized controlled trials to look at different foods and their markers for heart disease. Its the first video on my channel right now and I link all the sources in the description box.
In the Adventist studies white potato consumption was associated with with some less desirable outcomes compared with the rest of a plant based diet...I reckon it comes down to how they are prepared, oil and high heat are not going to be good for you or your potatoes where are boiling (especially pressure cooking) is going to be healthier.
@@DirtbagGospel And do they study the skin as well? So you're saying that mashed potatoes can be better than fried potatoes? Then there are baked potatoes. And baking potatoes need not be wrapped in metal foil. I have wrapped them in parchment paper and twisted the ends like a candy wrapper, and this yielded excellent potatoes.
Well when you heat the potato, the starches become simple starches and cause a rise in blood sugar, but as the potato cools these starches return to resistant starches and become a feast for your microbiome. The more the potato is cooled down the more resistant starches it has.
Its not meat that is the problem its the Processed food that is the problem my tribe eats all the time. And we aren't over weight etc. We don't have high diabetes or other things its process food that is the issues.
I eat low carb low glycemic index. No grains no sugar no processed foods and salmon. So far so good. I tried carnivore but started having stroke symptoms so I swiched and got real stricter on my diet. I also started rebounding- best excersise ever
And I can't help but wonder why potatoes are in the unhealthy group. A whole potato has quite a bit of nutrients. And why did the researchers do this assessment this way? Even they should know this is shitty study design.
@@zafffre9415 Fruit is extremely nutrient and antioxidant rich. Not to mention the essential dietary fiber we gain from fruit. Not all sugars are the same. Simple, refined sugars are not good for you, but the sugars in fruit are what are body thrives on and don't make our blood sugar sky-rocket like refined sugars. Fruit is not a junk food. It's a health food. (Side note: fruit juices are not the healthiest form of fruit because the fiber in the fruit, lost while juicing, is part of what makes it so healthy.)
Yeah? Do you think me buying beef from an holistic farm 10km away is better than you flying in bananas from Kenya? And eating the products of extensive agriculture?
Given the lack of vigorous scientific edification, why are these studies able to get published? Who at these journals are like "Oooh another study using old data applying statistics to find sensational results!!"?
You may find it alarming to learn how many 'reputable' journals essentially rubber stamp papers of questionable veracity. Then enter the general news media...
1 to 2 per 100,000 still means a lot of people when extrapolating to an entire population. Also, this particular study can't establish causal link because it's an observational study however plant based diets are the only diet that has been proven in clinical trials to reverse heart disease and stroke in the dean ornish studies. No other diet has done this in a clinical setting so taking observational studies and clinical studies together you can determine that healthy plant based diets reduce risk of cardiovascular events. The dean ornish studies in particular were a no oil whole foods plant based study and took participants that were already on death's door from multiple heart attacks in the past. Almost every participant that adhered to the diet didn't have another heart attack and 60% of those who didn't adhere to the diet did. You need to take all the evidence as a whole, you can dismiss any one single study but when you look at all of them as a whole you can't deny that plant based diets save lives.
"No other diet has done this in a clinical setting" That is very few "diets" have been tested against each other in clinical studies. It tends to be a Western high meat diet against a no meat diet. That is too limiting to make categorical conclusions on what is a healthy diet. There are so many different ways of eating that may or may not influence health. "You need to take all the evidence as a whole, ". You do indeed, with the emphasis on the word "ALL". These studies are very limited in their scope, there are so many confounders that could influence the results, (many of them listed on this video) that it is very unwise to draw any conclusion.
This is actually completely untrue. The Mediterranean diet has been proven to reduce cardiovascular disease time and time again, and there have even been studies on paleo-esque diets that have done the same. Evidence has to come from more than one collection of studies to be taken seriously.
"you can't deny that plant based diets save lives." I don't think anyone is saying that, but there are also a lot of other diets that save lives. But the point to bear in mind is that if you are eating a healthy omnivorous diet, you will likely be healthy and fit anyway. It is not the vegan diet that is saving your life if you have been eating poorly, it is the cutting out of things in your previous diet that was making you unhealthy that "saves your life" There are many diets that do that too. However, there must also be other reasons why it is not the natural diet for us. If it was, then Humans would have gravitated towards it over our evolutionary history, and you would find the vegan diet prevalent throughout the globe. The fact that you don't is a reasonable indicator that we shouldn't do it, whereas you do find other diets that also maintain health that are common throughout the globe. So by all means be vegan, But you can't claim it is natural. It requires fortification and supplements to maintain health, as well as continual access to non local, out of season foods,
Thank you so much for this show you guys do an excellent job of giving just enough details so that we can see where your conclusions are coming from but not too many details that the overall message is masked, it's great to have a reliable educated, fact checked source that explains the holes in research
just because most vegans are less likely to smoke and drink alcohol and eat less processed food doesn't mean that vegan diets are Heather at all the fact that pesco-vegetarians had the lowest hazard ratio for all-cause mortality in the Adventist Health Study 2 despite pollution? I can see the ecological and other ethical problems with eating seafood, but doesn't epidemiology contradict the claim that a vegan diet is healthier than a pescovegetarian diet? I don't think I know better, it's just that I see some contradiction here. Thanks for your reply. This study on vegans' use of saying vegan being Heather than meat-eater has clearly shown the opposite true with the fish-eater this doesn't mean vegan diets are unhealthy but not optimal as whole food plants based with some fish since this diet provides all the nutrients from plants and B12 DHA and more biologically available vitamins A and D, therefore, non-vegan diets can be slightly Heather than WFPBD Not all vegans eat this diet vegans do eat refined carbs also added vegetable oils are and mock meats are not correct to say that vegans are automatically Heather because their diet is vegan
@@jackson1342 you've got a bunch of points mixed in here. The video covers the limitations of nutritional studies with other health behaviors. There are some benefits of a fish + plants diet over just plants. I think the major point is eat more produce and pay more attention to what kinds of foods that we eat.
If you find it surprising that wealthy educated white women have better cardiovascular outcomes than the general population, I'm afraid you've lost the plot a while ago. Of course this isn't measuring the effect of the food. There is already a 5-6 year life expectancy gap.
GregTom2 He was stereotyping saying that because they are on a plant based diet they are more than likely white wealthy educated women. I am middle class of Mediterranean background middle aged male and also plant based. Legumes nuts and vegetables are some of the cheapest foods available if you know what to do with them.
He's not saying anything, really. WFPB has lots of other research that isn't as floppy as the ONE study he used to represent all of history of nutrition and metabolic science. WFPB diets, or any ones that are balanced and mostly WFPB are time and time again protecting people from the most common lifestyle diseases on the planet (like heart disease).
Which I would ignore. There are health reasons I need red meat, though I suppose you could say I've cut down because I don't eat it regularly. I eat more when it's available in my freezer, but when it's not, I don't. I do eat and drink dairy. (eggs and whole or 2% milk etc.)
Two things makes the difference: quality and equilibrium. I am from an island in Italy called Sardegna, and here we have one of the most longevity community in the world. In the center of the island we have the highest number of ultra centenaries. You wanna know what these people eat since the day 1? Meat, cheese and milk. Also a lot of vegetables, but especially the three things I said before. Ah, and also a glass of red wine almost every day. So why they live so long? Because the quality of the food is extraordinary better than any other part of the world. The food is 100% biological. You don't need special diet if the food is OK.
@@michelangelocorrias784 I think you could just say "I am from Italy" other users are from the rest of the world , this is like saying "I am from Catalina Island in California" I think just saying California would be enough in relation with the rest of the world. But I know what you meant...
Great piece Doc. Observational studies, especially without sufficient adherence to Scientific Method, having truly diverse and statistically significant number of subjects doesn’t seem that much to ask for. I’m not talking just an equal number of men and women, but different socioeconomic groups, nations of origin, cultural traditions, ethnic origin, level of education, various ages, over TIME. Even if we just fix how new studies are reported today, something like this piece, but even more so. For example, there was a time when every T.V. Network had Science editor or regular scientific and medical contributors. Even our local Chanel’s had a Science, Tech and Medical Editor. Without that we raw information reported WITHOUT context. For example, either late last year or early this year a study was released that indicated that eating a specific food, and that food eludes me at the moment, I’d have to go back check my notes. Whenever I here of a new study, in just about any branch of science or medicine I read the original study to check methodology, numbers, of start with their Thesis and Abstract, then the conclusion, read the procedure, data. Then read the and scholarly work, in support or denouncing the study and look for standing and other similar research. It sounds exhaustive, but it’s just the way my mind works. At any rate, this study read and reported that for the average American, and they should have written it as non-Asian American. If you eat x your likelihood, probability, of developing Stomach Cancer increased ~30%. So that is exactly what they reported. But no context. In the U.S. for non-Asian Americans, in men the probability of males developing Stomach Cancer is ~ 1 in 95 and for women ~ 1 in 154, and is THAT PROBABILITY that increased by 30%, NOT an American’s OVERALL RISK. But that’s how they left it hanging out there like that. That makes me so angry‼️‼️ Thank you for ALL the hard work and dedication‼️‼️‼️♥️♥️♥️✊🏼✊🏼✊🏼🙆🏻♂️🙆🏻♂️🙆🏻♂️🔬🔬🔬🧬🧬🧬🧫🧫🧫⚗️⚗️⚗️📓📓📓🥃🥃🥃
@@kevinerb6268 why not? blood sugar last time i check was at 80. That was in the afternoon after manual labor all day before I had a meal...is that bad?
Spot on. We have plenty of circumstantial evidence that plant food is good and that junk food / processed food is bad. I doubt if it's feasible to do a large scale, double blind randomised study on the health benefits of certain kinds of diet. But it might be possible to do a meaningful longitudinal study on health in vegans and vegetarians.
And there really isnt any good research supporting that a fully plant based diet is better. Livestock themselves dont contribute that much to GHG. Cattle for instance only contribute 2%... you can verify that on the EPA website.
@@maddyhauser1560 It is true that it can't feed 7 billion people. We are simply too many people on this planet, and that will have a huge enviromental cost. We see land becoming deserts as the top soil gets destroyed. We see India, Palestine, Greece run out of fresh water because of agriculture. We see forrests getting burned down so we get land to grow food. We waste enormous amounts of fossile fuel to create fertilizers and pesticides, and to drive tractors, and water pumps, radiators and airplanes that spraying the fields, and ships that transports food across the world. And biological diversity is disapearing completly as old plants gets removed to be replaced by a few handful of plants that we humans can eat. There are many hundred types of bananas but we humans only use 1 variant because it have a thick skin so it can be transported on a ship without getting destroyed. And likewise are do most of the worlds pistachio's come from only one single plant. The current food system is not substainable. One day will our plants die off on a massive scale and create food shortages, and higher food prices and many will starve to death. And this could happen because we fail to invent a new stronger pesticide that will kill all insects after they have become resistant towards all our old toxic formulas. Or this could happen because we have no cheap oil left to use for our food system. Or we can run out of fresh water in the wells, and can therefore no longer grow any food because of that reason. The lack of biodiversity also makes our food system much more vulnerable to diseases. The Panama disease once killed off nearly the entire global population of Gros Michel bananas and nearly drow Chiquita (United Fruit Company) to the edge of bankruptcy. So nearly all global exports was stopped. And if that could happen to the one of the 5 most popular foods on this planet, then it could happen any plant. The solution as I sees it is to eat more local foods and eating meat. We humans cannot grow foods on hills and slopes and shadowly areas. But animals can eat the things that grow there that we cannot eat, and turn grass into meat which we can eat. And if we eat more local food we get more diversity, and we can enjoy foods with richer taste and more nutrients. There are many hundreds of bananas in India one can eat. And one don't have to be satisfied with the boring foods of the food industry with no taste. Like tomatoes with thick skin so they can be picked by robots, or cavandish bananas which were choosen for their ability to resist the panama disease and being transported on ships.
Did he seriously include meat as part of an unhealthy VEGAN diet?? Plus, potatoes aren't unhealthy! They're a high GI food, sure, but that doesn't make them bad for you. They're friggin' starchy vegetables!
Was thinking the same thing. Great job guy! You criticized a singular study from several decades ago! Well done. Most research is based on epidimiology. Guess we should throw it all out! How about you actually explain why an omnivorous diet is somehow equal using unbiased research? Seriously people. Nutritionfacts.org. Immediately.
@Tad Stevens that book finances the website genius. 20 scientists scanning over every published health study costs a few bucks. Also, even if hypothetically that's what the website was there for, how about you disprove the evidence shown on the site? All accusations and no proof.
@@IHateMyLifeBro Love the cope by meat eaters. I went vegan recently and have been vegetarian for years. Energy levels are the same. I feel more fit. I also take a multivitamin just in case. I feel better without meat.
Whoever funded this should ask for their money back. This is not a study. However, as a study of one for over 2 years, as a 72 year old woman who is a competitive track (velodrome) cycling, I have seen remarkable changes. (If you don't know what Velodrome racing is please look it up. It is demanding.)
It is easy to figure out what effect foods will have on you. Just try different things like try eating only whole food plant-based with little to no oil for 30 days, go on, I dare you.
Yeah, well it only changed my life for the better, though I did not realize for many years, due to the lies of the Mediterranean diet, which caused the onset of my insulin resistance...Call me previously brainwashed ! Thanks for your comment. I did not realize what an oil-addict I was! (My body is always slower to respond to dietary change, though I wish I had seen your comment when you first replied ! It would have at least saved me 3 extra years of hell!)
"Statistical analyses are not built to tease out the effects of one variable from others." Can you expand on this? Isn't this precisely what statistical tests (e.g. multiple regression) are meant to do?
I think what he alludes to with this is that if there are so many confounding factors, it's hard to use statistical testing to say "this factor is x% responsible for the effect we see, that one is y%, etc" because of the limitations of this study: ultimately, it's relying on two data points spread seven years apart, where major changes in lifestyle, daily routines, etc may have occurred. There are ways to control for those factors, but it's hard to trust the results of those statistical tests when the dataset itself is relatively limited. Couple that with how this data was not originally gathered to answer the question this new study posed, and you add in an extra count against the reliability of the statistical testing in the first place. Basically, doing good science, with reliable methods, quantified uncertainties in measurements, and well-done statistical analysis is very hard. Doubly so, for trying to demonstrate that any effects seen aren't some fluke. It takes a lot of time and resources to do, and people shouldn't suddenly go out and change their habits based on this study alone. This video is kind of a "you've probably seen this in the news! Here's what the data actually tells us."
These have been implemented in the 1990's showing coronary decluttering without drugs nor surgery. The method: just eating a whole food plant based diet and some light excersise.
I wonder if there is any way to do good nutrition studies outside of institutionalized people. Jail or Hospital. I mean the totally overlooked cholesterol study was in Mental Health Institutions. Of course, this is problematic. I'm just saying. HOW else can you be actually sure. Although. Even in institutional situation - people have access to cheats. Have you seen the crazy prison recipes? AND as Aaron has pointed out - real life is nothing at all like regimented studies - so maybe it's not a great idea in any case. No one is eating perfectly. Let's face. And NO ONE wants to.
I'm Rotterdam there are people being followed for life, starting during the pregnancy of their mothers and the check-in includes a massive amount of variables
That's why I think focus should be on how we talk about food, and mainly what sort of information and instructions health professionals give about food. Like, if one group is told "eat green stuff, and try to eat smaller portions" and another is told "try to eat smaller portions" and then you have a control group, you can compare the effect the information has. Of course studies that try to find out what is truly better to eat are also important, but I think we should be pragmatic and focus on what actually makes people healthier rather than what SHOULD make them healthier if they stick to the diet. You don't always need to understand why something works or not in ordet for it to be useful.
@@seanwebb605 Uhm, not really. What you want to know in this case is not if eating green stuff works, but if TELLING people to eat green stuff works, so you don't even have to know if the participants are actually eating green stuff after you tell them to. It will be sort of like when you study psychotherapy, except the results will be measured by physical examinations.
Too many researchers are just looking for ways to publish quantity rather than putting the emphasis on quality research. That said, eating a quality diet, controlling your weight, and being active will give you your best chance at a long and healthy life.
Keep eating that meat. I have been vegan 18 years and people think I am in my late 20s. I will be 50 in a month lol! Blood work is excellent and I am vital still!
I know loads of vegan who have developed pathologies , and aged badly, or gone obese just because of a vegan diet. Not everyone is as lucky as you are.
HCT do you know Dr. Michael Greger? He is interested in all sort of health themes. He works reading every study in nutrition, comparing metodologies and showing what he found for free on his website. He also gives interviews for youtubers. Thanks for your great work.
In other words, the best *available* information indicates the advantages of a plant based diet. We are left with correlation studies like the Adventist 2 study and this one. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
That chicken breast/brussel sprout comment makes you sound like you don't know much when it comes to nutrition. It may have been a joke but holy moly they have very dissimilar nutrient profiles and caloric densities and are not swapable foods and no duh if someone decreased chicken breast consumption and increased brussel sprout consumption their diet would be more nutrient dense (get that sulfurophane) and have less harmful saturated fat, cholesterol, heavy metals and hormones. Why don't you look at something like the Adventist Health Studies or the work of doctors like Dean Ornish, Caldwell Esselstyn or Neal Barnard. Also check out NutritionFacts.org website or youtube channel for actual nutrition advice not this waste of a video "New in bad research!".
Precisely! Glad someone mentioned it before me. Do you request that some randomly selected people only eat some kinds of food by organizing a whole conspiracy around their lives simply to track the data?
@@Skweepa I don't think anyone is advising that, and it's kinda disingenuous to interpret the above comments as such. All I'm claiming, and I suspect Amr as well, is that RCTs probably not applicable in the real world for longitudinal studies. As repeated by many of the videos on this channel, nutritional studies aren't as high quality as other medical studies.
@@Skweepa No. It's just taking a critical look at these studies and what you can really conclude from the results. Until you can isolate and identify the other factors you can't read too much into these studies. There are real limits to studies that involve self reporting.
@@kitasofia That's difficult in dietary research. You can't give one group a "placebo" diet. People will know what they are putting in their mouths and chewing. There have been studies using an intervention switching people to whole plant foods. The results can be pretty astounding. One group in a study by Dr Esselstyn took people with severe cardiovascular disease and halted or even reversed it for all participants who stayed on the plant based diet. That's insane. Sadly for some reason this channel doesn't cover those studies, just points out weaker studies on plant based diets. Hence why I decided to unsub. It's completely disingenuous to steer people away from a diet proven to, at the very least, prevent and reverse our #1 killer... heart disease.
Shoutout to the ethical vegans out there. Eating a plant-based diet, for me, is more about avoiding animal slaughter and reducing greenhouse gas emissions.
I'm writing a graphic memoir about my mother, and I was wondering if you or anyone else could tell me, if someone never ate green lettuce, seafood, nuts, or seeds, what nutrient do you think they may be lacking?
Possibly nothing if all those have been replaced with similar things like spinach, beef/pork, beans. But if there is a symptom of deficiency you are writing about you could look at lineage and genetics and track down possible health issues in the past that may have been passed down. You could also look into the past of the individual and their lifestyle and find things that are different from “normal” and see it matches with anything you found from the past.
Depends on the rest of their diet but I put potassium as a possibility, it's really hard to get the recommended amount to start with and all those foods you mentioned have high levels although depends on the type of seafood, fish has high levels of potassium and low levels of sodium however oysters for example have a very high ratio of sodium to potassium.
So if someone is healthier, more active, better educated then they would know if their lives improved on a plant based diet as well. Because if their lives were worse, they would be intelligent and self aware enough to go back to animal products to improve their health.
Food questionnaires are hardly accurate and the AHA receives a lot of money from food companies. Grain. Of. Salt. Good job calling out the weaknesses in those studies.
@@hippopajamas No, that's not how it works. You don't have to measure the position of an object for a full hour to tell how many miles an hour (rate of speed) it is travelling at any given time. Just as you don't have to wait till everyone is dead in a sample to know what the rate of death is during a certain time period.
@@SarthorS I admit I have never thought of it that way. But, I'm still confused by the claims on changing mortality rates. How can you make the claim that something changes the rate of mortality caused by cardio-vascular disease when you have not done the study to the point of seeing who dies of those diseases. The human body isn't stagnant like that, and studies would have to be super long term (aka until death or at least into old age) which is why I understand when they are studying effects long term versus mortality. How can you make the claim of knowing what people will and will not die of prematurely? (For the record, this is not me fighting your point, I spent all my time on a humanities degree and very much have no idea how these studies work.)
@@hippopajamas No, that's fine hippo. I have absolutely no problem with people who actually want to learn. OK, so say that, for a certain country, you get an average of 15 deaths every year for every 1000 people. That is your average death rate when you ignore all factors. Now, say you look only at people who smoke, and you might find that 17 people die every year out of every 1000 smokers. Now you look at people who do at least 2 hours of exercise a week and you find that 14 people die every year out of 1000 people. You don't have to wait until everyone is dead. You just have to see how many are dying each year. How fast people are dying off. Now these will all be just estimates. The longer the study lasts, the better the estimate will be. The more people in the study, the better the estimate. But you can't have studies including every single person on Earth that all last for 120 years. It's a trade off. The fewer people, the shorter the amount of time and the cheaper the study, the less reliable it is. but the more studies you can do. The more things you can look at and the faster you can do them. When you have a whole bunch of quick unreliable studies, conducted by different people using different methods all seeming to point in the same direction, that's when you can start spending more time and effort conducting more rigorous studies that are more reliable. The thing is, people like you and me should really only be hearing about the biggest and most rigorous studies. Most research is a dead end. An idea that seemed promising but just didn't pan out. The biggest and most rigorous studies are usually the last stage before we might see new technology or medicine that actually works. But these days, the media is just bombarding us with everything it can find regardless of how reliable it is. It is something to keep in mind when reading articles by journalists who have no background in the thing they are reporting on. Sorry for the long post. If I have not properly answered your question, just say what you are still confused about and I'll try again, or try to find a video by someone who is better at explaining this than I am.
We are omnivores, simple truth, eat whole foods fruit vegetables, root crops fish fowl and red meat, leave the fast food, and the 85% of manufactured food alone.
Just follow the habits of those who live in Blue Zones. Eat mostly plant based Whole Foods, partake in 2 or less servings of meat each week. Have daily physical activity, enjoy friends, keep stress at a minimum, get plenty of sleep, rinse and repeat. What say you Dr. Aaron?
What is a Whole Food? I mean I have read the basic definition but it seems very non descriptive and arbitrary. Also how do you define "meat" since there is more than one accepted definition?
@@vermontmike9800 WTF is a blue zone? How does Whole Food correlate to minimally processed and where is the deliminator for the minimal amount of processing? Are people expected to eat handfuls of cracked grains and raw potato even though the nutritional value of doing so is very low? It real does seem more like a marketing label rather than something I can use to make a determination in a consistent way. As for meat, what part of the animals are we referring to and what about other animals like cow, octopus, goat, turkey, etc?
People should stop promoting keto, it's not a diet anyone should adhere to without doctor supervision. Everyone should eat a diverse diet and that includes carbs. For me, the *Agoge diet* plan worked wonders, I no longer have visible cellulite and lost significant amounts of fat.
Went vegan years ago for three years... got week. Did the SAD for years...got on to Keto two years ago lost a ton of fat regained my youth. Now carnivore stronger and healthier than ever at 55. Amazing
I tried eating Whole Foods plant based for the environment & 90 days later I had no more cat allergies, no more seasonal allergies, no more eczema, no more depression, no more panic attacks, no more carpal tunnel, and was no longer obese!
Thank you Dr. Carroll for doing this video, demonstrating how utterly abysmal nutritional epidemiology is when it comes to identifying causes of morbidity. It is sad that with all our emphasis over the decades on educating the masses on STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math) related subjects, that the public is still woefully ignorant about how the concepts of relative vs absolute risk, and how confounding variables like healthy user bias, can totally misrepresent the findings of a study. It is no wonder that the state of nutritional research and nutritional reporting is in such shambles. It is also no wonder how nutritional religions, like veganism, can appear to have a veneer of scientific legitimacy in the eyes of the public. Familiarity with how science reporting uses relative and absolute risk, and how they also use healthy user bias to skew results, should be as central to our public science curriculum as knowing Newton's laws of motion or knowing what DNA is. You should not be able to graduate from high school with out a good comprehension of how these forms of statistical chicanery are used in science reporting.
Chicken breast versus brussel sprouts is a rigged comparison. Try hot fresh homemade whole wheat bread versus chicken breast. I eat the bread every single day, not a vegan type but better, without oil or butter. I do it as a plan to eliminate high blood pressure and high LDL cholesterol and it worked. By the way after eating bread and pasta for so long (with spinach and bananas too), and tracking all nutrients and getting enough, I am fully satiated with the bread. It's unbelievable. People don't believe tastes are acquired and can be changed, but it happens all the time when people move between cultures. There are a few people who can't make the switch permanent but it's usually social pressures that are the cause, not always though.
I make home-made bread using oat flour and I add lots of banana, nuts and seeds to it and my god it's the most delicious, filling thing ever! I eat 3 thick slices of my oaty, banana bread with peanut butter nearly everyday and it literally satiates me for over 6 hours. Bread is the only thing that has worked in stopping my urge to snack
There is a narrative very common these days about the benefit of Plant based diets vs Meat. However, the truth does not delve so deep into the differences to the point that we understand why meat is fairing so poorly. And it's not that plants are not without their problems. celiac disease, increased carbohydrate intake, and food processing which include additives and preservatives. While in order to make meat safe chemicals and additives are used like, sodium nitrite, potassium sorbate, Ascorbic acid (synthetic vitamin C), sodium erythorbate, Calcium propionate ----- etc. It the lesser of the two evils that help a plant base diet rise to the surface. And when we look at the life expectancy of farmers, we see that on average they live 10 years longer than the general public.
the thing is, any diet can work. whether you try Atkins or keto or paleo or plant-based or carnivore or whatever you try, they all can work. But the best thing for someone to do is to get into working out and try to organize a proper eating regimen and looking to understand how eating healthy works. Eat a balanced nutritional diet that involves all of the different macros of proteins, fats, and carbs. focus on understanding portion sizes first, what foods you like and what foods disagree with you. what each type of food does for your body and the nutrients they have. how calories work when you eat. everyone always wants to just jump to losing weight and figure they can just pick a diet like a keto or try fasting and think their answers will be given to them. although they can, many people fail this way because they realize trying out these diets is harder than they thought and they just end up binge eating again because they deprive themselves of foods or different macros they should have been supplying their bodies with. just like anything in life, learn the proper methods of structuring your eating and how nutrition works. some people learn faster than others but it's something I think everyone should understand.
Happily they complement each othe! plant based happens a to be surely most ethical but also seems to be the healthiest AND ALSO most environmentally friendly
Countries eat the least meat live the shortest most uneducated, most malnutrition, most diseases, most corrupt, most famine, most poverty, most wars, poorest hygiene, most dirty streets, most dirty water, most dirty air, most colonized, most violence, most unemployment, most poor health. The 20 countries that eat the least meat Bangladesh - 4kg of meat per person per year India - 4.4kg Burundi - 5.2kg Sri Lanka - 6.3kg Rwanda - 6.5kg Sierra Leone - 7.3kg Eritrea - 7.7kg Mozambique - 7.8kg Gambia - 8.1kg Malawi - 8.3kg Ethiopia - 8.5kg Guinea - 8.6kg Nigeria - 8.8kg Tanzania - 9.6kg Nepal - 9.9kg Liberia - 10.4kg Uganda - 11kg Indonesia - 11.6kg Togo - 11.7kg Solomon Islands - 11.9kg
4:27 Yup you certainly aren't a scientist. All you did was talk about what people have said for years to try and dismiss a method of observing the world. To say that we've learned everything already from observational studies tells me you're probably not aware that a hypothesis changes over the years from new forms of research. An RCT isn't going to give a definitive answer so this standard you hold is not only ridiculous it's also a very amateurish position. Both experiments and observational studies are beneficial in their own way and help us further understand what we may have missed in the past. Even the gold standard for a study can be flawed and isn't inherently capable of showing us everything we want to know especially the ones we are forced to use now because of unethical practices. 2:55 Seems kinda like a moot point if they all those things were accounted for in the study.
Why didn’t they divide the animal-food eating groups into whole foods based and processed meat-based? Pastured steak and eggs has a way different outcome than cheap hot dogs with a bleached four bun and french fries cooked in vegetable oil.
I have been doing mostly plant based and now my feet are freezing cold all day long, going in for a blood test I’m probably deficient in something. It’s not easy
All I can say from my own personal experience is that I've always been active but I was a HUGE meat eater up to 24 years of age. I had high blood pressure and blood sugar issues. When I stopped eating meat my blood pressure normalized and when I began cutting dairy my health was better in the sense that my acne left and allergies stopped. This is just my personal experience
Bobby Girl Good for you! How did you substitute meat and dairy?
@@Nut899 eating and drinking everything else. I eat normal no "substituting" just eating. There's protein and other nutrients in everything even veggies. And I'm healthy no deficiencies
I have gone plant based and my skin cleared up too. I came off my skin medication. The best thing though was my insomnia stopped within 2 weeks of starting my diet.
@@amandah5478 Oh wow! I have insomnia, and I hope that this works for me...were you waking up in the night a lot or having trouble getting to sleep?
@@Dr_Lucozade I was waking between 1 and 4 and basically staying awake for around 4 hours!!. But if you give this a go. It might not work for you remember. Also. Transition slowly. Or, you'll get a bad tummy. I started by upping my plants. Seeds, nuts, oats, beans, rice, fruit and veg. Aim for 10 plants a day. Drink water with every meal. I really hope this works. Not sleeping makes you feel so rubbish. I sympathise.
I'm transitioning to a plant based diet. I can't believe how much has changed. My skin cleared up. I came off my skin medication. A stomach problem I had. Its gone. I had insomnia for 15 years. Now i sleep through every night. I feel better in myself. My joints hurt less. I've had wobbles and ate the wrong things again. I instantly know about it. I can't sleep. My skin breaks out. I try and tell people and they just look at me like I'm a conspiracy theorist or something. Like I'm mad. But I know it's the diet.
How’s this holding up
@@KevinsKontentKorner It's much better. Not so hard. Your tastebuds change.
With the sleep though. I discovered it's not just about being vegan for me. Because my sleep started to get rubbish again. Noooooo. I realised it was because I was getting lazy and starting to eat vegan rubbish. Processed food. I started eating more whole foods again and my sleeping is back to normal. Thank God!
But I love it. I should have done it years ago. I really regret my previous diet choices.
Yes!!. The insomnia came back for me too. Gutted...... But like you, I realised it was all the junk I was eating. So that's gone!. Whole foods are back. I'm fully vegan now, and I don't miss anything, because the food I'm eating is so nice. I want to share it with everyone, but my non vegan family are into their colourless brown food. I wish I'd started this years ago too. But I hadn't stumbled across the information back then.
I watched this video because the avocados in the thumbnail image looked delicious
Haha!!! Love it
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Right? Same here! I want to eat that whole bowl!
Pescetarian for three years
Vegetarian for one year and now vegan almost a year already... Should have done it sooner 💙
Just don't go vegan. Animal fats are superior to plant fats.
@@BowlerTheHatGuy leave her alone good thing she isn’t an vegan extremist
@prince vegeta your intuition lol
Why should you have done it sooner?
@@Moose185 it makes you feel better.
There are plenty of studies on this topic. Dr Greggor has been studying them for decades. It's not hard to see a trend, that thise who eat more whole plants are healthier. Debunking one or two studies without considering the wider body of evidence is just disingenuous.
DimaRakesah people simply enjoy hearing what justifies their unsubstantiated beliefs.
Well said
I don't think that's debated. If I understand it correctly, there's correlation on a number of fronts (such as affluence) which are tough to disentangle
Dr Gregor is his own anecdotal study on how damaging that diet is lol
@@__jk4711 That rude comment shows how valuable you're opinion is.
Wish me luck guys! I’ve been on a plant based diet for a month now. Trying to make it a lifestyle
Good luck! It’s awesome and very healthy!
I’ve only been on it for about a year now. It gets easier! Best of luck!
Best decision I ever made. Hope you are enjoying it
I got on planet base diet a year ago. After the first few first month, I don’t even think about meat no more. You can do it stick to it.
Most plants are inedible for humans.
Potatoes ARE plant based. They are full of potassium, Vitamin B and C. A white potato is not quite like white bread because it is grown from the ground while white bread is either unbleached or enriched.
Mother nature made all animals follow a diet that was born to them, some with short intestines, which are known as meat-eaters, and go to the bathroom within an 1/2 hour, and the long intestines, plant-based eaters. Humans have the same intestines as any plant-based eater. We also have teeth, not fangs as meat eaters. It is a fact that doctors get maybe 1 hour in school to study the effects of food on a human. Today's doctors and some hospitals are now telling patients to move to a plant-based diet and stay away from processed foods. Live foods give a body nutrients that processed foods do not. Humans are very close to gorillas, they eat plants and can pick up a vehicle. If humans are healthy, we don't need doctors, please consider that before listening to them. An honest doctor will tell you something that does not benefit them, but will you. Thousands of doctors are now saying that plant-based is the way for humans because they see the results in front of them. Do your own study before listening to some doctors.
As an identical twin in our fifties my twin who has lived thirty years on plant based and occasionally goes vegan looks better than me by at least 3 or 4 years. Although she always says I seem to have more fun.
Is she generally more active than yourself or most things are equal aside from your diets?
@@Stevo1361 they're identical twins
@@redpill5671 Stevo is trying to confirm his bias
just because most vegans are less likely to smoke and drink alcohol and eat less processed food doesn't mean that vegan diets are Heather at all the fact that pesco-vegetarians had the lowest hazard ratio for all-cause mortality in the Adventist Health Study 2 despite pollution? I can see the ecological and other ethical problems with eating seafood, but doesn't epidemiology contradict the claim that a vegan diet is healthier than a pescovegetarian diet? I don't think I know better, it's just that I see some contradiction here. Thanks for your reply.
This study on vegans' use of saying vegan being Heather than meat-eater has clearly shown the opposite true with the fish-eater this doesn't mean vegan diets are unhealthy but not optimal as whole food plants based with some fish since this diet provides all the nutrients from plants and B12 DHA and more biologically available vitamins A and D, therefore, non-vegan diets can be slightly Heather than WFPBD
Not all vegans eat this diet vegans do eat refined carbs also added vegetable oils are and mock meats are not correct to say that vegans are automatically Heather because their diet is vegan
@@redpill5671 Steve asked a question that has got nothing to do with them being identical twins.
I am new to the plant based diet and so far so good. I’ve never been a big meat eater anyway.
follow Master Herbalist Patrick Delves on youtube for real health not no mainstream vegan shit
plant based isnt all out vegan veganism leads to problems in the end people are in denial of this untill it happens to them
every one rearchs a point as a vegan where there store of animal foods runs out thats when problems kick in
All I can say is...LISTEN TO YOUR BODY. Some people can chug a glass of beer like it’s nothing. I can’t. Doesn’t mean that beer is as harmful to them as it is to me. Everyone reacts differently to everything. All that matters is how YOU feel after eating something
Alcoholic drinks make me catatonically ill, yet people make fun of me for it. I rarely 🍸 but always cook with it
It doesn't mean that beer is NOT as harmful to them, as it is to you either. Alcohol is still doing damage to your body, whether you get drunk off of a single beer or you drink pint of vodka. "Listen to your body" is what junkies do
BRBallin1 not everyone will listen to what you said. As i eat by what my body needs and i reject any foods that is making me sick, I use to suffer with allergies, high sugars on the edge of catching diatbetes, high Cholesterol poor memory, weak bones, muscle pains and such i tried veganism and it made it worse, i tried keto it also didn't help, know i'm on a carnivore diet and it work after goin' carnivore my sugar drop to normal, my white blood cells went back to normal, my memory improved, my bones became stronger, all my fats became muscle, my muscles healed and no longer hurt, my allergies cleared up my bowlswent back to normal, my teeth got stronger where before i was loosing my teeth, i get no more teeth plaque build up. vegies and sugars made my body sick know i stop eating vegies and sugars an only eat meat my body became healtheir even tho vegans and doctors claim it would do the opposite my doctor ended up apologizing to me for telling me not to listen to my body the only ones who are still refusing to apologize to me are the vegans who attack me and told me i was gonna die for going carnivore since my body needs proved them wrong and they refuse to acknoeledge that carnivore is healthier for some peoples body needs.
I feel good after smoking crack. Thanks! I will smoke more!
Alcohol is a toxic substance and one of the leading causes of cancer, I quit completely after learning of its high association with breast cancer and other cancers, no thanks
I've had a body composition test and the consultant asked me if I were vegetarian. I was shocked, like how could they tell from my body fat alone? Apparently my visceral fat was the lowest of anyone they've ever seen and that the only other people who had visceral fat near my level was a vegetarian.
So the proof is in the pudge it seems, and I'm not a particularly health conscious veggo either. I eat a lot of biscuits.
Edit: I want to specify that I still had normal to high body fat%, just not a lot around the organs.
It is important to note that women have much less fat around the organs then men if that helps. The health professional that you saw was also trying to make a trend from only two outlier data points from your account. This means that they have only seen 2 people with this outlier ratio of visceral body fat/overall body fat and both happened to be vegetarian.
Having low visceral body fat is good though.
Surma Sampo yes that true, we were both outliers and women. Admittedly the consultant was no health professional just a consultant trained in using and reading results from the machine. The majority of the people who had their bfc taken with them were women. I think they should measure people who have been vegan/vegetarian for at least 5 years to see if there is a correlation.
And no not all vegetarian diets are equal, it's true. You can be an unhealthy vegan who eats nothing but oreos and chips.
@@lydiachong1274 Interesting, thanks for the reply.
However, being an outlier in a study (if the researcher considers it properly) is an important thing.
Isaac Asimov PhD (biochemistry) said that most scientific discoveries are not preceded by the word, "Eureka!" But by "That's strange."
@@ginnyjollykidd I agree with you and Lydia that anomalies are well worth spending research time on. Lowering visceral fat in the population would likely improve health outcomes so spending resources on investigating solutions is worth it.
Unfortunately the journalistic profession has the opposite approach where any anomaly must be reported as the new truth.
Plant based is the way to go! I’ve been at it for over 7 years.
Giving up eating meat to feel better about yourself, is like drinking your own semen and calling yourself self-sufficient
@@marekjanik9962 But drinking your own semen doesn't cause heart attacks, stroke, angina, type 2 diabetes and impotence. Saturated fat and high cholesterol which comes FROM the meat (as well as ALL animal-based foods) does.
OG 516 B-12 is absolutely necessary to supplement. If you don’t know a fair amount about nutrition then i suggest also taking a multivitamin to make sure you’re getting all your daily mineral+nutrient+vitamin needs :) 💖
How do you get your protein in ???? I want to go vegan
@@sarahhhhhhhh569 Chia seeds
Spirulina
Ezekiel bread
Buckwheat
Quinoa
Amaranth
Hempseed
Green Peas.
Spelt look it up do your research it's not that hard bro
Personally I've been working on a set of diet changes and increased exercise. I've lost 65 lbs in the last 20 months.
Right now, I'm working on reducing my red meat intake (goal is 5 times a week), and eating more veg and fish.
Salmon burgers and plant burgers are making it easier.
Salmon has to be wild caught or is toxic. Veggie burgers are full of cheap vegetable oils that oxidize easily and stick to artery walls.
Congratulations on your progress!
@@andrewj4426
Pick your Poisson - I mean poison. (Truly that was autocorrect.) There are more and more reports these days of tainted foods than I remember decades ago. Personal opinion of course.
Becareful with plant based foods like burgers. Like the other guy said, you're going to get a lot of unstable oils that will kill you and clog your arteries. The burger itself is by far healthier.
@@Freeyourself-tv If you choose arterial plaque, both will do well. If you choose to make your own veggie burgers, without processed oils, using only limited natural fats such as nuts, and nut butters and seeds and using a food processer, the PBWF low fat is a winner. ( You also do not get the growth hormones, bovine spongiform encephalopathy and other such putrid delights....)
I would happily eat according to research studies, mark my physical activity and sleep hours, and report to a lab semi-regularly for the purpose of furthering experimental studies on nutrition, but I would have to be excluded from that final results because I have a chronic illness. It dawned on me while I was writing the previous sentence in this comment that these studies are specifically for people who do not have major health issues already, which is kind of a bummer. I can't say that it's a societal bias, but I certainly feel like it at the moment...dang dude, feels bad
Unfortunately I’ll probably start seeing this study being passed around through various news orgs and seeing every vegan/vegetarian under the sun promoting without looking at the discrepancies. Two questionnaires over seven years? How is that even considered a study?
As a vegetarian, I really hate it when people talk about how it's healthier. This itself shows it may not actually be, and if it is, it's ridiculously small. There are other far more compelling reasons to not eat meat and animal products, including (but no limited to) the environment and the ethics.
Anyway, I'll step down from my soap box now.
@@andersledell8643 I wish you wouldn't get down off the soap box because I'm a fellow vegetarian and this is how I feel.
Lexa this vegan under the sun won’t be doing that. No single study proves ANYTHING. Admittedly, this study is really not that great but there’s other studies out there that are better. It’s always easy to criticize a single study. And for the record, I’m not a vegan for my health.
@@andersledell8643 I mean, the supposed ethical argument for vegetarianism only really works from an anthropocentric/egotistical viewpoint anyway...
Are humans designed to eat meat and vegetables???
I would love to hear about the best nutrition study you've ever seen.
The best nutrition study is human history. The second best is found in the book "Nutrition and Physical Degeneration" By Weston A. Price. Price traveled around the world in the 1930's to isolated modern and primitive cultures and recorded their nutritional practices. Briefly he found that the more animal food cultures ate the healthier they were. All cuiltures health was destroyed by modern foods, refined carbohydrates and seed oils.
westonaprice.org
The China study? I thought
For what
@@bamwesty8158 China study is a fraud. Been debunked many times over
freetheanimal.com/2010/07/the-china-study-smackdown-roundup.html
The study on the Okinawan people.
Realistically, how would a randomized control trial take place when testing nutrition or diet? People are very unlikely to allow researchers to control EVERYTHING about their life as we do with lab rats... that is likely the biggest reason it’s so hard to do RCT with nutrition studies.
You are right. But without RCT we can't rule lots of confounding variables. If we can't do RCT and can't make strong nutritional claims without them then we probably can't make strong nutritional claims. Well we can make the claims and people will and do, but they aren't claims based on good science.
MyOther Soul yeah but that’s just a really extreme statement I feel, because we can’t really do RCT but we still know that certain things are bad for you such as excess sugar, trans fat, etc. I think there has to be something in the middle. Honestly, if you ask me, the issue isn’t necessarily with the studies themselves (after all they admit their limitations most of the time) but with the media that reports on it. Typically that is where grand statements are made, NOT in the studies themselves. So perhaps the problem isn’t with studies, but the lack of scientific literacy of the public and the exaggerating media which deludes people into believing such bold claims.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6140446/
It's pretty tricky.
@@jillianm8958 I think its both. I'm sure most of these researchers love that the media does these types of things so that they can get more funding for their next project. And if the researchers had a certain agenda when thinking up the study, so much the better when the media runs away with it.
So this video told me what I already know: plant diet might or might not have an effect on cardiovascular disease.
Sample is of course biased. It is not progressive research; it doesn't follow people from, say, young 20's to senior. It doesn't require a diet journal for portions and foods.
This kind of control is difficult. I don't know if you could actually conduct it. Unless you provide an easy device to input this kind of information and a scale to weigh the portions and foods.
Measuring these things would change the way people feel about eating, even if you say "Eat what you want. Just keep this journal."
But a diet journal kept over several years can show how people do change their habits.
"Plant diet might or might not have an effect on cardiovascular disease." --- I guess that from watching only this video, you would conclude that. It would be a good idea to read the vast body of unbiased research and you will see that these are very much related.
A vast multitude of studies correlate more plant based eating with lower cardiovascular disease. This gentleman is cherry-picking.
Adventist Health Study. Enough said.
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Sources please.
@@ginnyjollykidd I actually just made a video on this today. I mostly used randomized controlled trials to look at different foods and their markers for heart disease. Its the first video on my channel right now and I link all the sources in the description box.
Okay but since when are potatoes unhealthy?
In the Adventist studies white potato consumption was associated with with some less desirable outcomes compared with the rest of a plant based diet...I reckon it comes down to how they are prepared, oil and high heat are not going to be good for you or your potatoes where are boiling (especially pressure cooking) is going to be healthier.
@@DirtbagGospel
And do they study the skin as well?
So you're saying that mashed potatoes can be better than fried potatoes? Then there are baked potatoes. And baking potatoes need not be wrapped in metal foil. I have wrapped them in parchment paper and twisted the ends like a candy wrapper, and this yielded excellent potatoes.
Since French fries were invented, if they were counted as potato consumption
@@ginnyjollykidd Yes potato consumption just doesn't cover the diversity of such a widespread staple food...
Well when you heat the potato, the starches become simple starches and cause a rise in blood sugar, but as the potato cools these starches return to resistant starches and become a feast for your microbiome. The more the potato is cooled down the more resistant starches it has.
This is a good show and you do great work, but dammit I feel like I'm just coming here for Dr. Aaron's super-salty intros. XD
Come for the intro, stay for the science
New BAD Research On Plant-Based Diets and Mortality
Don’t be fooled by one bad study, a plant based diet is the only diet you should be eating.
yourturningpoint777 Nope I’ll keep having my meat :) but good for you keep eating those lettuce
yeah no thanks dude
Yes!!!! It's not only better for your body but also for your spiritual evolution.
@@yourturningpoint777 This is why people don’t like vegans.
@@Rolando_Cueva people don’t like vegans cause we are here defying what you were taught. BTFU.
Its not meat that is the problem its the Processed food that is the problem my tribe eats all the time. And we aren't over weight etc. We don't have high diabetes or other things its process food that is the issues.
I eat low carb low glycemic index. No grains no sugar no processed foods and salmon. So far so good.
I tried carnivore but started having stroke symptoms so I swiched and got real stricter on my diet.
I also started rebounding- best excersise ever
So glad you got off the carnivore diet! So dangerous to the human body!
So you do like a little salmon from time to time is what your saying.?
That is BS 😂😂😂
And I can't help but wonder why potatoes are in the unhealthy group. A whole potato has quite a bit of nutrients.
And why did the researchers do this assessment this way? Even they should know this is shitty study design.
Not to mention FRUIT was in the unhealthy group, lumped in with other simple carbs.
@@M0rbidCuriositea sounds like stupidity rules... oops
@@M0rbidCuriositea fruit is full of sugar
@@zafffre9415 lol, can't tell if this is sarcasm...
@@zafffre9415 Fruit is extremely nutrient and antioxidant rich. Not to mention the essential dietary fiber we gain from fruit. Not all sugars are the same. Simple, refined sugars are not good for you, but the sugars in fruit are what are body thrives on and don't make our blood sugar sky-rocket like refined sugars. Fruit is not a junk food. It's a health food. (Side note: fruit juices are not the healthiest form of fruit because the fiber in the fruit, lost while juicing, is part of what makes it so healthy.)
Mendelian randomization is another powerful and probably superior alternative to observational studies.
Their should be a study to test for the differences between meat based diets and plant based diets over a period of 3 months. No cheating
Plant based diet is the best solution for cancer sufferers
Others say otherwise
The environment suggets a plant-based diet 🤷🏻♀️ #savetheplanet
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Yeah? Do you think me buying beef from an holistic farm 10km away is better than you flying in bananas from Kenya? And eating the products of extensive agriculture?
@@AthosZ92 Yes.
@@NamesChuck Oh good you agree with me.
@@AthosZ92The exploitation of animals, however, is still unethical.
Vegans stop watching at 2:18 and conclude that the study is priceless.
Normal people stop at 2:30 and conclude that the study is useless.
Given the lack of vigorous scientific edification, why are these studies able to get published? Who at these journals are like "Oooh another study using old data applying statistics to find sensational results!!"?
You may find it alarming to learn how many 'reputable' journals essentially rubber stamp papers of questionable veracity.
Then enter the general news media...
What's plaque in arteries made of? Fat and cholesterol. What has the most fat and cholesterol? Animal products.
There are plenty of txt as well, but people in general tend to question those as well when the result is not what they like.
1 to 2 per 100,000 still means a lot of people when extrapolating to an entire population. Also, this particular study can't establish causal link because it's an observational study however plant based diets are the only diet that has been proven in clinical trials to reverse heart disease and stroke in the dean ornish studies. No other diet has done this in a clinical setting so taking observational studies and clinical studies together you can determine that healthy plant based diets reduce risk of cardiovascular events. The dean ornish studies in particular were a no oil whole foods plant based study and took participants that were already on death's door from multiple heart attacks in the past. Almost every participant that adhered to the diet didn't have another heart attack and 60% of those who didn't adhere to the diet did.
You need to take all the evidence as a whole, you can dismiss any one single study but when you look at all of them as a whole you can't deny that plant based diets save lives.
"No other diet has done this in a clinical setting" That is very few "diets" have been tested against each other in clinical studies. It tends to be a Western high meat diet against a no meat diet. That is too limiting to make categorical conclusions on what is a healthy diet. There are so many different ways of eating that may or may not influence health.
"You need to take all the evidence as a whole, ". You do indeed, with the emphasis on the word "ALL".
These studies are very limited in their scope, there are so many confounders that could influence the results, (many of them listed on this video) that it is very unwise to draw any conclusion.
This is actually completely untrue. The Mediterranean diet has been proven to reduce cardiovascular disease time and time again, and there have even been studies on paleo-esque diets that have done the same. Evidence has to come from more than one collection of studies to be taken seriously.
"you can't deny that plant based diets save lives."
I don't think anyone is saying that, but there are also a lot of other diets that save lives. But the point to bear in mind is that if you are eating a healthy omnivorous diet, you will likely be healthy and fit anyway. It is not the vegan diet that is saving your life if you have been eating poorly, it is the cutting out of things in your previous diet that was making you unhealthy that "saves your life" There are many diets that do that too.
However, there must also be other reasons why it is not the natural diet for us. If it was, then Humans would have gravitated towards it over our evolutionary history, and you would find the vegan diet prevalent throughout the globe. The fact that you don't is a reasonable indicator that we shouldn't do it, whereas you do find other diets that also maintain health that are common throughout the globe.
So by all means be vegan, But you can't claim it is natural. It requires fortification and supplements to maintain health, as well as continual access to non local, out of season foods,
Wait what? Why is meat being put with sugars and such? What a biased research... SMH talk about stacking the deck
Thank you so much for this show you guys do an excellent job of giving just enough details so that we can see where your conclusions are coming from but not too many details that the overall message is masked, it's great to have a reliable educated, fact checked source that explains the holes in research
Go to nutritionfacts.org if you want a better one. This guy explained nothing about the diet itself
I've been researching the benefits of plant based diets for my clients- I can't believe how many there are!
If you did your research by searching for 'benefits of plant-based diets' then you shouldn't be surprised that's what you found.
@@92Pyromaniac thanks Luke!
@@fitforfreelance lol
just because most vegans are less likely to smoke and drink alcohol and eat less processed food doesn't mean that vegan diets are Heather at all the fact that pesco-vegetarians had the lowest hazard ratio for all-cause mortality in the Adventist Health Study 2 despite pollution? I can see the ecological and other ethical problems with eating seafood, but doesn't epidemiology contradict the claim that a vegan diet is healthier than a pescovegetarian diet? I don't think I know better, it's just that I see some contradiction here. Thanks for your reply.
This study on vegans' use of saying vegan being Heather than meat-eater has clearly shown the opposite true with the fish-eater this doesn't mean vegan diets are unhealthy but not optimal as whole food plants based with some fish since this diet provides all the nutrients from plants and B12 DHA and more biologically available vitamins A and D, therefore, non-vegan diets can be slightly Heather than WFPBD
Not all vegans eat this diet vegans do eat refined carbs also added vegetable oils are and mock meats are not correct to say that vegans are automatically Heather because their diet is vegan
@@jackson1342 you've got a bunch of points mixed in here. The video covers the limitations of nutritional studies with other health behaviors.
There are some benefits of a fish + plants diet over just plants. I think the major point is eat more produce and pay more attention to what kinds of foods that we eat.
lol “white and female.”
That caught me off guard.
Same 😭
Me too... I had to go back to make sure I heard that lol.. Wth🤷♀️
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Hang on are you saying that the data on a whole food plant based diet isn't accurate because people on this diet are generally healthier.
Yes thats pretty much 😂 almost at least
If you find it surprising that wealthy educated white women have better cardiovascular outcomes than the general population, I'm afraid you've lost the plot a while ago.
Of course this isn't measuring the effect of the food. There is already a 5-6 year life expectancy gap.
GregTom2 He was stereotyping saying that because they are on a plant based diet they are more than likely white wealthy educated women.
I am middle class of Mediterranean background middle aged male and also plant based. Legumes nuts and vegetables are some of the cheapest foods available if you know what to do with them.
He's not saying anything, really. WFPB has lots of other research that isn't as floppy as the ONE study he used to represent all of history of nutrition and metabolic science. WFPB diets, or any ones that are balanced and mostly WFPB are time and time again protecting people from the most common lifestyle diseases on the planet (like heart disease).
"generally healthier" like based on what? YT channels like freele do not look good at all.
You're better off trying to convince people to eat less meat.
Which I would ignore. There are health reasons I need red meat, though I suppose you could say I've cut down because I don't eat it regularly. I eat more when it's available in my freezer, but when it's not, I don't.
I do eat and drink dairy. (eggs and whole or 2% milk etc.)
Two things makes the difference: quality and equilibrium. I am from an island in Italy called Sardegna, and here we have one of the most longevity community in the world. In the center of the island we have the highest number of ultra centenaries. You wanna know what these people eat since the day 1? Meat, cheese and milk. Also a lot of vegetables, but especially the three things I said before. Ah, and also a glass of red wine almost every day. So why they live so long? Because the quality of the food is extraordinary better than any other part of the world. The food is 100% biological. You don't need special diet if the food is OK.
@@michelangelocorrias784 I think you could just say "I am from Italy" other users are from the rest of the world , this is like saying "I am from Catalina Island in California" I think just saying California would be enough in relation with the rest of the world. But I know what you meant...
Great piece Doc. Observational studies, especially without sufficient adherence to Scientific Method, having truly diverse and statistically significant number of subjects doesn’t seem that much to ask for. I’m not talking just an equal number of men and women, but different socioeconomic groups, nations of origin, cultural traditions, ethnic origin, level of education, various ages, over TIME.
Even if we just fix how new studies are reported today, something like this piece, but even more so. For example, there was a time when every T.V. Network had Science editor or regular scientific and medical contributors. Even our local Chanel’s had a Science, Tech and Medical Editor. Without that we raw information reported WITHOUT context.
For example, either late last year or early this year a study was released that indicated that eating a specific food, and that food eludes me at the moment, I’d have to go back check my notes. Whenever I here of a new study, in just about any branch of science or medicine I read the original study to check methodology, numbers, of start with their Thesis and Abstract, then the conclusion, read the procedure, data. Then read the and scholarly work, in support or denouncing the study and look for standing and other similar research. It sounds exhaustive, but it’s just the way my mind works.
At any rate, this study read and reported that for the average American, and they should have written it as non-Asian American. If you eat x your likelihood, probability, of developing Stomach Cancer increased ~30%. So that is exactly what they reported. But no context. In the U.S. for non-Asian Americans, in men the probability of males developing Stomach Cancer is ~ 1 in 95 and for women ~ 1 in 154, and is THAT PROBABILITY that increased by 30%, NOT an American’s OVERALL RISK. But that’s how they left it hanging out there like that.
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Team Carnivore here woop woop!
Animals: Great!
Vegatables: Ok
Getting off sugar? Priceless
You won't be carnivore long. Year or two at the very most. I bet you won't even make it that long. Also how's that blood sugar level? Haha not good
@@kevinerb6268 why not? blood sugar last time i check was at 80. That was in the afternoon after manual labor all day before I had a meal...is that bad?
@@billsalcido7878 80 is not bad. But all, and I mean all the big name carnivores have sky high blood sugar
@@kevinerb6268 Where did you read that? I’m still learning all this stuff so what makes high blood sugar bad?
@@billsalcido7878 diabetes is literally sustained high blood sugar. It horrible for your vascular system and general aging.
Spot on. We have plenty of circumstantial evidence that plant food is good and that junk food / processed food is bad. I doubt if it's feasible to do a large scale, double blind randomised study on the health benefits of certain kinds of diet. But it might be possible to do a meaningful longitudinal study on health in vegans and vegetarians.
The real point of eating lower on the food chain is that it is less destructive to the _planet's_ health, not so much on human's health.
And there really isnt any good research supporting that a fully plant based diet is better. Livestock themselves dont contribute that much to GHG. Cattle for instance only contribute 2%... you can verify that on the EPA website.
All forms of agriculture destoys the top soil. While the old hunter & gatherer lifestyle does not lead to drying up the earth and desertification.
@@nattygsbord it's also not a viable way to feed the population.
@@maddyhauser1560 It is true that it can't feed 7 billion people. We are simply too many people on this planet, and that will have a huge enviromental cost.
We see land becoming deserts as the top soil gets destroyed. We see India, Palestine, Greece run out of fresh water because of agriculture. We see forrests getting burned down so we get land to grow food. We waste enormous amounts of fossile fuel to create fertilizers and pesticides, and to drive tractors, and water pumps, radiators and airplanes that spraying the fields, and ships that transports food across the world.
And biological diversity is disapearing completly as old plants gets removed to be replaced by a few handful of plants that we humans can eat. There are many hundred types of bananas but we humans only use 1 variant because it have a thick skin so it can be transported on a ship without getting destroyed.
And likewise are do most of the worlds pistachio's come from only one single plant.
The current food system is not substainable. One day will our plants die off on a massive scale and create food shortages, and higher food prices and many will starve to death.
And this could happen because we fail to invent a new stronger pesticide that will kill all insects after they have become resistant towards all our old toxic formulas. Or this could happen because we have no cheap oil left to use for our food system. Or we can run out of fresh water in the wells, and can therefore no longer grow any food because of that reason.
The lack of biodiversity also makes our food system much more vulnerable to diseases. The Panama disease once killed off nearly the entire global population of Gros Michel bananas and nearly drow Chiquita (United Fruit Company) to the edge of bankruptcy. So nearly all global exports was stopped.
And if that could happen to the one of the 5 most popular foods on this planet, then it could happen any plant.
The solution as I sees it is to eat more local foods and eating meat. We humans cannot grow foods on hills and slopes and shadowly areas. But animals can eat the things that grow there that we cannot eat, and turn
grass into meat which we can eat.
And if we eat more local food we get more diversity, and we can enjoy foods with richer taste and more nutrients. There are many hundreds of bananas in India one can eat. And one don't have to be satisfied with the boring foods of the food industry with no taste. Like tomatoes with thick skin so they can be picked by robots, or cavandish bananas which were choosen for their ability to resist the panama disease and being transported on ships.
So meat gets thrown in with sugary beverages, how convenient
Well, it does aggressively oxidize cholesterol so....
@@MrJSheppy16 PFFT
@@MrJSheppy16 Wtf are you talking about?
@@sawyermade5469 you have some reading to do.
@@MrJSheppy16 Well, enlighten me
Eating healthy foods keep you alive? Shocking!
What are "healthy* foods?
Did he seriously include meat as part of an unhealthy VEGAN diet?? Plus, potatoes aren't unhealthy! They're a high GI food, sure, but that doesn't make them bad for you. They're friggin' starchy vegetables!
Skip this and go to nutritionfacts.org
Was thinking the same thing. Great job guy! You criticized a singular study from several decades ago! Well done.
Most research is based on epidimiology. Guess we should throw it all out!
How about you actually explain why an omnivorous diet is somehow equal using unbiased research?
Seriously people. Nutritionfacts.org.
Immediately.
@Tad Stevens What
@Tad Stevens that book finances the website genius. 20 scientists scanning over every published health study costs a few bucks.
Also, even if hypothetically that's what the website was there for, how about you disprove the evidence shown on the site?
All accusations and no proof.
@Tad Stevens Dr. Greger, the author, gives all profits from his books to charity.
I agree. Much more detailed than this one. Many concise videos about a huge number of nutrition topics.
I used to eat a lot of meat but now I only eat it once a week or two and eat mostly vegetarian and I've noticed I've been healthier
Uhh what else did you eat when you were eating a lot of meat
@@IHateMyLifeBro 🤣🤣🤣
@@IHateMyLifeBro Love the cope by meat eaters. I went vegan recently and have been vegetarian for years. Energy levels are the same. I feel more fit. I also take a multivitamin just in case. I feel better without meat.
@@billr5842 ....are you serious right neow-
@@A-TRA1N Im not jokin
Plant based diet cured my depression and got my anxiety under control!
Whoever funded this should ask for their money back. This is not a study. However, as a study of one for over 2 years, as a 72 year old woman who is a competitive track (velodrome) cycling, I have seen remarkable changes. (If you don't know what Velodrome racing is please look it up. It is demanding.)
They never mention if they are religious, fasting once a month, or more, which would increase life span if they ate meat sparingly or not.
It is easy to figure out what effect foods will have on you. Just try different things like try eating only whole food plant-based with little to no oil for 30 days, go on, I dare you.
Yeah, well it only changed my life for the better, though I did not realize for many years, due to the lies of the Mediterranean diet, which caused the onset of my insulin resistance...Call me previously brainwashed ! Thanks for your comment. I did not realize what an oil-addict I was! (My body is always slower to respond to dietary change, though I wish I had seen your comment when you first replied ! It would have at least saved me 3 extra years of hell!)
"Statistical analyses are not built to tease out the effects of one variable from others."
Can you expand on this? Isn't this precisely what statistical tests (e.g. multiple regression) are meant to do?
I think what he alludes to with this is that if there are so many confounding factors, it's hard to use statistical testing to say "this factor is x% responsible for the effect we see, that one is y%, etc" because of the limitations of this study: ultimately, it's relying on two data points spread seven years apart, where major changes in lifestyle, daily routines, etc may have occurred. There are ways to control for those factors, but it's hard to trust the results of those statistical tests when the dataset itself is relatively limited. Couple that with how this data was not originally gathered to answer the question this new study posed, and you add in an extra count against the reliability of the statistical testing in the first place.
Basically, doing good science, with reliable methods, quantified uncertainties in measurements, and well-done statistical analysis is very hard. Doubly so, for trying to demonstrate that any effects seen aren't some fluke. It takes a lot of time and resources to do, and people shouldn't suddenly go out and change their habits based on this study alone. This video is kind of a "you've probably seen this in the news! Here's what the data actually tells us."
It means some data collection and analysis MIGHT show you what you think it's showing you. "Correlation is not causation."
Let me say what u didnt:
What we need are interventional studies.
These have been implemented in the 1990's showing coronary decluttering without drugs nor surgery. The method: just eating a whole food plant based diet and some light excersise.
follow Master Herbalist Patrick Delves on youtube for real health not no mainstream vegan shit
I wonder if there is any way to do good nutrition studies outside of institutionalized people. Jail or Hospital. I mean the totally overlooked cholesterol study was in Mental Health Institutions.
Of course, this is problematic. I'm just saying. HOW else can you be actually sure. Although. Even in institutional situation - people have access to cheats. Have you seen the crazy prison recipes?
AND as Aaron has pointed out - real life is nothing at all like regimented studies - so maybe it's not a great idea in any case.
No one is eating perfectly. Let's face. And NO ONE wants to.
I'm Rotterdam there are people being followed for life, starting during the pregnancy of their mothers and the check-in includes a massive amount of variables
That's why I think focus should be on how we talk about food, and mainly what sort of information and instructions health professionals give about food. Like, if one group is told "eat green stuff, and try to eat smaller portions" and another is told "try to eat smaller portions" and then you have a control group, you can compare the effect the information has. Of course studies that try to find out what is truly better to eat are also important, but I think we should be pragmatic and focus on what actually makes people healthier rather than what SHOULD make them healthier if they stick to the diet. You don't always need to understand why something works or not in ordet for it to be useful.
There are plenty of people that would happily change diet if you provided the food for them to eat.
We could try that
@@sam4330 Its' still self reporting.
@@seanwebb605 Uhm, not really. What you want to know in this case is not if eating green stuff works, but if TELLING people to eat green stuff works, so you don't even have to know if the participants are actually eating green stuff after you tell them to. It will be sort of like when you study psychotherapy, except the results will be measured by physical examinations.
Too many researchers are just looking for ways to publish quantity rather than putting the emphasis on quality research. That said, eating a quality diet, controlling your weight, and being active will give you your best chance at a long and healthy life.
Keep eating that meat. I have been vegan 18 years and people think I am in my late 20s. I will be 50 in a month lol! Blood work is excellent and I am vital still!
But its you .. every human has different physiology..
I know loads of vegan who have developed pathologies , and aged badly, or gone obese just because of a vegan diet. Not everyone is as lucky as you are.
In the same boat. I am vegan and fitter than ever. Used to be a macho meat eater back in the day and hated vegans. Should've been more open minded.
HCT do you know Dr. Michael Greger? He is interested in all sort of health themes. He works reading every study in nutrition, comparing metodologies and showing what he found for free on his website. He also gives interviews for youtubers. Thanks for your great work.
In other words, the best *available* information indicates the advantages of a plant based diet. We are left with correlation studies like the Adventist 2 study and this one. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
That chicken breast/brussel sprout comment makes you sound like you don't know much when it comes to nutrition. It may have been a joke but holy moly they have very dissimilar nutrient profiles and caloric densities and are not swapable foods and no duh if someone decreased chicken breast consumption and increased brussel sprout consumption their diet would be more nutrient dense (get that sulfurophane) and have less harmful saturated fat, cholesterol, heavy metals and hormones. Why don't you look at something like the Adventist Health Studies or the work of doctors like Dean Ornish, Caldwell Esselstyn or Neal Barnard. Also check out NutritionFacts.org website or youtube channel for actual nutrition advice not this waste of a video "New in bad research!".
Levi Dahl I know, right? I wish he would acknowledge this whole body of evidence.
Exactly
I'm really glad a lot of people in this comment section are calling him on this.
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Wait, you want randomized controlled Dietary trials?😂
How would that work?
Precisely! Glad someone mentioned it before me. Do you request that some randomly selected people only eat some kinds of food by organizing a whole conspiracy around their lives simply to track the data?
MrChrisRab let’s do it😂👻
Yes. Oh, "it's bad science" is a great excuse to eat like a Standard American in the land of Obesity and Disease.
@@Skweepa I don't think anyone is advising that, and it's kinda disingenuous to interpret the above comments as such. All I'm claiming, and I suspect Amr as well, is that RCTs probably not applicable in the real world for longitudinal studies. As repeated by many of the videos on this channel, nutritional studies aren't as high quality as other medical studies.
@@Skweepa No. It's just taking a critical look at these studies and what you can really conclude from the results. Until you can isolate and identify the other factors you can't read too much into these studies. There are real limits to studies that involve self reporting.
I was vegan for 6 years. After I got some God given wisdom I started eating meat again. I'm much healthier and less tired.
Randomized controlled trials would be much better
o0Avalon0o I know, why is it so hard
Well have you looked into what has to be done for one? It’s not like they don’t exist they do.
@@kitasofia That's difficult in dietary research. You can't give one group a "placebo" diet. People will know what they are putting in their mouths and chewing. There have been studies using an intervention switching people to whole plant foods. The results can be pretty astounding. One group in a study by Dr Esselstyn took people with severe cardiovascular disease and halted or even reversed it for all participants who stayed on the plant based diet. That's insane. Sadly for some reason this channel doesn't cover those studies, just points out weaker studies on plant based diets. Hence why I decided to unsub. It's completely disingenuous to steer people away from a diet proven to, at the very least, prevent and reverse our #1 killer... heart disease.
Shoutout to the ethical vegans out there. Eating a plant-based diet, for me, is more about avoiding animal slaughter and reducing greenhouse gas emissions.
I'm writing a graphic memoir about my mother, and I was wondering if you or anyone else could tell me, if someone never ate green lettuce, seafood, nuts, or seeds, what nutrient do you think they may be lacking?
Possibly nothing if all those have been replaced with similar things like spinach, beef/pork, beans.
But if there is a symptom of deficiency you are writing about you could look at lineage and genetics and track down possible health issues in the past that may have been passed down. You could also look into the past of the individual and their lifestyle and find things that are different from “normal” and see it matches with anything you found from the past.
Depends on the rest of their diet but I put potassium as a possibility, it's really hard to get the recommended amount to start with and all those foods you mentioned have high levels although depends on the type of seafood, fish has high levels of potassium and low levels of sodium however oysters for example have a very high ratio of sodium to potassium.
So if someone is healthier, more active, better educated then they would know if their lives improved on a plant based diet as well. Because if their lives were worse, they would be intelligent and self aware enough to go back to animal products to improve their health.
Are you familiar with Dr. Greger and nutritionfacts.org?
Food questionnaires are hardly accurate and the AHA receives a lot of money from food companies. Grain. Of. Salt. Good job calling out the weaknesses in those studies.
How can you figure out mortality if you don't do the study until they die?
100% of all patients studied have or will die. It's a given.
@@macrossactual well, clearly. But if the study is centered around changes in mortality rate it seems pretty important to study until the end.
@@hippopajamas No, that's not how it works. You don't have to measure the position of an object for a full hour to tell how many miles an hour (rate of speed) it is travelling at any given time. Just as you don't have to wait till everyone is dead in a sample to know what the rate of death is during a certain time period.
@@SarthorS I admit I have never thought of it that way. But, I'm still confused by the claims on changing mortality rates. How can you make the claim that something changes the rate of mortality caused by cardio-vascular disease when you have not done the study to the point of seeing who dies of those diseases. The human body isn't stagnant like that, and studies would have to be super long term (aka until death or at least into old age) which is why I understand when they are studying effects long term versus mortality. How can you make the claim of knowing what people will and will not die of prematurely? (For the record, this is not me fighting your point, I spent all my time on a humanities degree and very much have no idea how these studies work.)
@@hippopajamas No, that's fine hippo. I have absolutely no problem with people who actually want to learn.
OK, so say that, for a certain country, you get an average of 15 deaths every year for every 1000 people. That is your average death rate when you ignore all factors.
Now, say you look only at people who smoke, and you might find that 17 people die every year out of every 1000 smokers. Now you look at people who do at least 2 hours of exercise a week and you find that 14 people die every year out of 1000 people.
You don't have to wait until everyone is dead. You just have to see how many are dying each year. How fast people are dying off. Now these will all be just estimates. The longer the study lasts, the better the estimate will be. The more people in the study, the better the estimate. But you can't have studies including every single person on Earth that all last for 120 years.
It's a trade off. The fewer people, the shorter the amount of time and the cheaper the study, the less reliable it is. but the more studies you can do. The more things you can look at and the faster you can do them.
When you have a whole bunch of quick unreliable studies, conducted by different people using different methods all seeming to point in the same direction, that's when you can start spending more time and effort conducting more rigorous studies that are more reliable.
The thing is, people like you and me should really only be hearing about the biggest and most rigorous studies. Most research is a dead end. An idea that seemed promising but just didn't pan out. The biggest and most rigorous studies are usually the last stage before we might see new technology or medicine that actually works. But these days, the media is just bombarding us with everything it can find regardless of how reliable it is. It is something to keep in mind when reading articles by journalists who have no background in the thing they are reporting on.
Sorry for the long post. If I have not properly answered your question, just say what you are still confused about and I'll try again, or try to find a video by someone who is better at explaining this than I am.
We are omnivores, simple truth, eat whole foods fruit vegetables, root crops fish fowl and red meat, leave the fast food, and the 85% of manufactured food alone.
Just follow the habits of those who live in Blue Zones. Eat mostly plant based Whole Foods, partake in 2 or less servings of meat each week. Have daily physical activity, enjoy friends, keep stress at a minimum, get plenty of sleep, rinse and repeat. What say you Dr. Aaron?
What is a Whole Food? I mean I have read the basic definition but it seems very non descriptive and arbitrary. Also how do you define "meat" since there is more than one accepted definition?
Surma Sampo meat as defined by the blue zones can be pork, chicken, lamb, fish. While food meaning minimally processed if at all.
@@vermontmike9800 WTF is a blue zone?
How does Whole Food correlate to minimally processed and where is the deliminator for the minimal amount of processing?
Are people expected to eat handfuls of cracked grains and raw potato even though the nutritional value of doing so is very low? It real does seem more like a marketing label rather than something I can use to make a determination in a consistent way.
As for meat, what part of the animals are we referring to and what about other animals like cow, octopus, goat, turkey, etc?
Surma Sampo google is your friend.
@@vermontmike9800 As friends go, Google is a bit of a cunt.
People should stop promoting keto, it's not a diet anyone should adhere to without doctor supervision. Everyone should eat a diverse diet and that includes carbs. For me, the *Agoge diet* plan worked wonders, I no longer have visible cellulite and lost significant amounts of fat.
Went vegan years ago for three years... got week. Did the SAD for years...got on to Keto two years ago lost a ton of fat regained my youth. Now carnivore stronger and healthier than ever at 55. Amazing
I tried eating Whole Foods plant based for the environment & 90 days later I had no more cat allergies, no more seasonal allergies, no more eczema, no more depression, no more panic attacks, no more carpal tunnel, and was no longer obese!
Thank you Dr. Carroll for doing this video, demonstrating how utterly abysmal nutritional epidemiology is when it comes to identifying causes of morbidity. It is sad that with all our emphasis over the decades on educating the masses on STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math) related subjects, that the public is still woefully ignorant about how the concepts of relative vs absolute risk, and how confounding variables like healthy user bias, can totally misrepresent the findings of a study. It is no wonder that the state of nutritional research and nutritional reporting is in such shambles. It is also no wonder how nutritional religions, like veganism, can appear to have a veneer of scientific legitimacy in the eyes of the public. Familiarity with how science reporting uses relative and absolute risk, and how they also use healthy user bias to skew results, should be as central to our public science curriculum as knowing Newton's laws of motion or knowing what DNA is. You should not be able to graduate from high school with out a good comprehension of how these forms of statistical chicanery are used in science reporting.
Chicken breast versus brussel sprouts is a rigged comparison. Try hot fresh homemade whole wheat bread versus chicken breast. I eat the bread every single day, not a vegan type but better, without oil or butter. I do it as a plan to eliminate high blood pressure and high LDL cholesterol and it worked. By the way after eating bread and pasta for so long (with spinach and bananas too), and tracking all nutrients and getting enough, I am fully satiated with the bread. It's unbelievable.
People don't believe tastes are acquired and can be changed, but it happens all the time when people move between cultures. There are a few people who can't make the switch permanent but it's usually social pressures that are the cause, not always though.
I make home-made bread using oat flour and I add lots of banana, nuts and seeds to it and my god it's the most delicious, filling thing ever! I eat 3 thick slices of my oaty, banana bread with peanut butter nearly everyday and it literally satiates me for over 6 hours. Bread is the only thing that has worked in stopping my urge to snack
@@caramelcupcake1275 Nice! It works to fill any steak or candy void I have. I don't feel temptation except for more bread haha
@@RiDankulous same lol 😂😂😋
This so called 'research' give those of us who advocate for less meat consumption a bad name.
I prefer dying eating a delicious sirloin than a bunk of grass and gross fruits
Who's paying you?
Seventh day Adventist have Know vegetarian diets are best they live years longer the the average person
I thought you said “healthcare trash news” 😂😂
There is a narrative very common these days about the benefit of Plant based diets vs Meat.
However, the truth does not delve so deep into the differences to the point that we understand why meat is fairing so poorly.
And it's not that plants are not without their problems. celiac disease, increased carbohydrate intake, and food processing which include additives and preservatives.
While in order to make meat safe chemicals and additives are used like, sodium nitrite, potassium sorbate, Ascorbic acid (synthetic vitamin C), sodium erythorbate, Calcium propionate ----- etc.
It the lesser of the two evils that help a plant base diet rise to the surface.
And when we look at the life expectancy of farmers, we see that on average they live 10 years longer than the general public.
Rly informative but i can’t help but notice how he overemphasizes certain syllables
the thing is, any diet can work. whether you try Atkins or keto or paleo or plant-based or carnivore or whatever you try, they all can work. But the best thing for someone to do is to get into working out and try to organize a proper eating regimen and looking to understand how eating healthy works. Eat a balanced nutritional diet that involves all of the different macros of proteins, fats, and carbs. focus on understanding portion sizes first, what foods you like and what foods disagree with you. what each type of food does for your body and the nutrients they have. how calories work when you eat. everyone always wants to just jump to losing weight and figure they can just pick a diet like a keto or try fasting and think their answers will be given to them. although they can, many people fail this way because they realize trying out these diets is harder than they thought and they just end up binge eating again because they deprive themselves of foods or different macros they should have been supplying their bodies with. just like anything in life, learn the proper methods of structuring your eating and how nutrition works. some people learn faster than others but it's something I think everyone should understand.
Nutritionfacts.org uses studies available and when possible randomized control test based studies. The science is there for plant based diets...
Besides...don't moral reasons generally override other reasons?
Dr.Gregers cherry picked studies you mean
When available he indeed cherry picks randomized controlled tests you mean?
Happily they complement each othe! plant based happens a to be surely most ethical but also seems to be the healthiest AND ALSO most environmentally friendly
Countries eat the least meat live the shortest
most uneducated, most malnutrition, most diseases, most corrupt, most famine, most poverty, most wars, poorest hygiene, most dirty streets, most dirty water, most dirty air, most colonized, most violence, most unemployment, most poor health.
The 20 countries that eat the least meat
Bangladesh - 4kg of meat per person per year
India - 4.4kg
Burundi - 5.2kg
Sri Lanka - 6.3kg
Rwanda - 6.5kg
Sierra Leone - 7.3kg
Eritrea - 7.7kg
Mozambique - 7.8kg
Gambia - 8.1kg
Malawi - 8.3kg
Ethiopia - 8.5kg
Guinea - 8.6kg
Nigeria - 8.8kg
Tanzania - 9.6kg
Nepal - 9.9kg
Liberia - 10.4kg
Uganda - 11kg
Indonesia - 11.6kg
Togo - 11.7kg
Solomon Islands - 11.9kg
Plant based diet
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Did you know that 5 out of 5 people die?
4:27 Yup you certainly aren't a scientist. All you did was talk about what people have said for years to try and dismiss a method of observing the world. To say that we've learned everything already from
observational studies tells me you're probably not aware that a hypothesis changes over the years from new forms of research. An RCT isn't going to give a definitive answer so this standard you hold is not only
ridiculous it's also a very amateurish position. Both experiments and observational studies are beneficial in their own way and help us further understand
what we may have missed in the past. Even the gold standard for a study can be flawed and isn't inherently capable of showing us everything we want to know especially the ones we are forced to use now because
of unethical practices.
2:55 Seems kinda like a moot point if they all those things were accounted for in the study.
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Why didn’t they divide the animal-food eating groups into whole foods based and processed meat-based? Pastured steak and eggs has a way different outcome than cheap hot dogs with a bleached four bun and french fries cooked in vegetable oil.
so, divide the group into class 1 vs class 2 carcinogens? What is the point?
This dude needs to turn it down a notch.
Recommend looking at the Adventist Health Study 1 and 2 as well as Blue Zone study.
Just a heads up, your channel is being advertised on by a 'health coach' scam.
Each of us receives different ads.
I have been doing mostly plant based and now my feet are freezing cold all day long, going in for a blood test I’m probably deficient in something. It’s not easy
It was b12! Thanks. I do a spray and it went away
That thumbnail is straight up bountiful!!
wait this was clickbait af
Ya feel better eating plant-based, then eat it. The body ain’t dumb
Can I please be in the bacon placebo group for future studies?