C63 AMG Never Make This Mistake Replacing Cams or Headbolts!
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the lesson here is that if you become a Mercedes mechanic, you'll never run out of work
I can say that statement is 100% true!
Audi is another one but not quite so bad as Mercedes.
Funny of all the cars I've DIY'd, Mercedes, BMWs, Corvettes, Mustangs, Pontiac G8, Honda Civic Si, Subaru WRX' the one that spent the most time on the lift was a 1993 Mazda MX3 coupe. The most complicated cheap little sports car I ever worked on.
@@erickonphoenix you should try working on a Merc with OM651 engine, it's the gift that keeps on giving lol or any Merc with a V12 for that matter!!
@@markszekeres7214 Whoooooossshhhhh. I think you've missed the point.
The shop really is coming together
Very good my brother
This channel needs to blow up.
He's too technical and not enough click-baity
Power 2 Weight you’re right :(. I hate ads
lol, i just KNEW your shop was gonna be massively successful immediately!...true quality never lacks for opportunity. you are an inspirational dude, thanks for posting these videos. peace
20nm
Thank you! I used 13nm for now but will be revisiting this soon
Tasos, the holy grail of M156 engines 🙂
@@georgobergfell Yeah, the guru has spoken.
I knew Tasos would know. It's odd the owner had the wherewithal to replace the head studs by himself--not a trivial job--but didn't take time to research the torque for those cam adjuster bolts.
Nm
Congrats on the success so far man!
Also just wanted to thank you again for the email help for my Hayabusa Willy’s build. I know you’re a busy guy so I really appreciate it!
The first video that made me subscribe, thank you for showing your love to us, love how you explain and share your knowledge for vehicles in general .
Great job man! Keep up with the hard work, looking forward to more projects!
Thank you for making this video! Such great information 🙏🏼
Really happy for you man :) well deserved shop
Btw nice to see a classic car too, hope you're going to make a video about Thunderbird as well.
Please keep posting more of these types of videos. I really enjoy the Mercedes Benz engine repair videos I think most people will agree
I made a DIY for those who need it ruclips.net/video/zJO1qNnhxw4/видео.html
Great stuff! Top Gear style table. All Merceded decor. I do enjoy your videos and your knowledge.
Really like the vids you do . Keep up the good work. Time to get a work bench or two?
It is so cool that you already need new bigger shop and more staff :)
2009 82k miles showing early signs of head bolt failure 😞 sudden loss of coolant i topped it off a week or two ago and i checked it yesterday and nearly 1/4 was gone (maybe more)
Very informative video! Nicely done!
It sounded like some valves were hitting the pistons when you were compression-testing. i wonder if timing was out at that stage
The part he removed is called a cam adjustment magnet it regulates oil inside it to adjust the valve timing.
Hello great suggestion, i am going to make the head bolts job, plus lifters and lock plates, One question when i am going to put the camshaft i can rotate in a simply way the camshaft before i put the bridges, so i can put the timing tool in place and then put the bridges, correct?
Very interesting working through the diagnostics
Great Job!
I am from Germany and own 2 C63 with the M156 :)
What is the right Torque for the cam adjuster little screws?
thank you
Where did you get new bolts for the camshaft adjuster assembly? I snapped one of mine and can’t find a part number
Man. Always looking forward to the videos.
I think you are one grate mekanik this hapen when you work all car not just one mark i also work all car mark
Ha so cool! Would love to work in your shop! Feels like a startup just starting to become a big and succesful company. Really cool! Good luck and best wishes
Are the cams and cam adjusters any different in pre facelift and facelift models? Are there any issues that should be looked into say on 2012/2014 models? Maybe some preventative work needs to be done?
Nice work! Keep going!!
Great video!
As much as I enjoy watching you work on these cars I still feel that you are above being a mechanic. I really feel that you should be developing custom products on your cnc and selling them.
Would also be great if your channel grew to the size it deserves, perhaps you can showcase your race car on a few bigger channels to attract viewers to your own.
Anyway, looking forward to your next video!
Hey did you have a chance to look at the T 50 Gorden Murry hyper gt car.
Can you tell how a v12 engine can spin up to 12000 rpm without pneumatic valves .
And as your car is under 1000 kgs and your aero parts are so big do you feel like making your car a ground effect car with electric fans to control the air flow .
Hi, Can you help me with this question, please?
2008 ML350 W164, I was replacing the Cam Adjuster when the chain jumped and I had to take the timing cover off to time the chain.
I have to take both lower adn upper oil pans out to put the cover back on. I did take out the lower pan but to remove the UPPER pan it looks like I need to lift the engine, My question is:
To lift the engine, is it removing the engine mount bolts, Torque convertor bolts, and unbutton the engine from the trans or is there something else to it? DOes the transmission neeeds support when lifting the engine?
Thank you for your time.
Hello Master, I have a question. What will happen, if I start the motor of a W203 with automatic transmission 722.6 without put the EGS on its place, but it will be connected to the electronical circuit and the ATF source will be also attached correctly? Would it damage the transmission, would the car start to move on its own, or would it just trow old ATF out and nothing else will happen?
Did you pull the fuel injection fuse to do the compression check?
I got a question when u remove the camshaft the engine u set it at 40degree how u turn the engine to set it at40 degre u go clock way or the other side of clock way
Is the m156 block to trans the same pattern as a m112/113?
This type of cam adjuster doesn't come with return spring??
Youre growing fast brother! Hopefully you can find some good help, so you can grow even more, Congrats😎👍🏼
I think they tightened up the cam phaser bolt by holding the crankshaft therefore transferring at the tightening torque through the 6 bolts. Latter they broke off.
you need a laser scanner mate, will make motor to gbox adapters easy as
Another really great vid 👌👍
20nm for the cam adjuster bolts, also i believe they are torque to yield so not really supposed to be torqued twice👍 for anyone wondering
My 2009 e63 is down and I need to get it fixed
Wow so much knowledge invaluable sir.
Very upset that I won't be able to make it up to the shop and drop off the car personally. Looking forward to the swap though!
these videos are the best advertisement for buying extended warranty on german performance cars, imagine paying for repairs on these engines.
In this case, though, it's a self-inflicted fault; it could happen to any vehicle type.
But be advised they extended warranty (unless from manufacture) will not bear those claim. Basically those extended warranty are just good on paper but not in real life.
Muhammad Khan mercedes extended warranty on my w222 has covered struts / control arms/ water pump/ driveshaft/ airmatic pump/ and also covers engine problems . Its really worth it. All of this has costed so far over $10,000 in parts and maybe another $10,000 in labor
It is not nearly as bad as internet makes it to be. Someone made a mistake when working on this car. The only weak part is the top of the engine, but failure rate is super low. I made a DIY for those who need it ruclips.net/video/zJO1qNnhxw4/видео.html
great work like always
Where did you get the louvered hood for this C63?
With an unknown engine and even more so with a serious interference engine, I would have done a leak-down test first, now the cams have to come back out again BUT, thanks for the VVT Tutorial.
Hello can i put camshaft of ml63 amg to cl63 amg
you mention there was a recall on the original head bolts. I've done extensive research on this and can not find an official recall by Mercedes. I have an E63 with the same M156 engine so this issue has me paranoid.
How much does it cost to replace headbolts at typical shops? The
Nice to see someone doing it properly with hand tools not an electric thread destroyer
Sounds like you don’t know how to use power tools. 🤷🏻♂️
Hint: you use a setting that’s less than the specified torque out put. And finish it off with a torque wrench.
I made a DIY for those who need it ruclips.net/video/zJO1qNnhxw4/видео.html
Can you add a link or describe where you got the timing tools for working on Mercedes Benz engines
Ebay has it. Goes around 50-80 USD and comes from China. I made a DIY for those who need it ruclips.net/video/zJO1qNnhxw4/видео.html
My friends Honda Civic.... it's a Turbo Honda Civic :)) the way you said it made it sound funny.
I want a car like that one that model and or merc cls 500 ou cls 550 look beautiful
what rims do you have
HOW MUCH WOULD IT COST TO CHANGE THE HEAD BOLTS AND THE CAM ADJUSTERS ON ANY OF THE 63 AMG CARS, AND WOULD YOU RECOMMEND DOING IT YOUR SELF, YOU MAKE IT LOOK EASY!!!!
can you replace the head bolts without using a hoist to access the manifolds exct?
You don't need a hoist if you're replacing head bolts one at a time.I made a DIY for those who need it ruclips.net/video/zJO1qNnhxw4/видео.html You can pull the heads off with the engine in the car too. My mechanic has done it several times on C63 and E63.
Question! I’m removing cams on my 2010 c63 to replace lifters And head bolts. When the crank is at 40, the timing tool fits perfectly on the driver side cams but is not quite a perfect fit on the passenger side. It seems like The cam may need to be turned a very tiny amount to get the timing tool to fit. Is this normal? Is there a slight amount of stretch in the timing chain that would create this slight variance? I’m worried why I need to move the cam at all if the crank is at 40… any help or response is appreciated!
Cam adjusters need replaced
Where is your shop located
How do you turn the intake cam while the cam being bolted down without turning the exhaust cam?
Broken gear on cam adjuster. Cam was turning freely.
I love to get a c63 or any 63 AMG, but I read the m156 engine has these issues. Any advice on how to buy one and not face this major problem? The newer engines are much more expensive.
Replace/upgrade headbolts and you will be fine
Hope if there where a fire with the cnc it's not too bad
MORE C63 CONTENT PLEASE!!!!
There is double lens endoscope's, that have also 90° view to side. I just ordered one
From where??? Is it good? Couple be extremely useful to see the condition of not only just the piston but the valves as well!!
@@bryanmasis1595 i got mine from ebay about 160$. It has good image quality and build in lights. It's "teslong rechargeable dual lens 5.5mm endoscope"
Good Work
Should the head bolts be changed as a maintenance item, or wait until they fail?
U wanna do them when owing a 63 failing could cost the engine
will your manual swap conversion work with the w210 m113?
Yes
What torque setting did you end up tightening the cam adjusters too?
Did you found out?
Someone said 20nm
Hey bro just out of curiosity seems like the bolts that snapped might've been impacted from the side by the cam timing position ring with the odd shapes to it... seems like some of the bolts lines up with open areas of the position ring while some remained always covered by the metal portion of the ring.. so when solenoid would engage the cam position ring would be impacting the bolt heads from the side
From your experience with AMG/MBZ, what are their overall best products (cleverness of engineering, reliability, ease of maintenance,drive train, emotion, etc, etc, )...
R129?
R129 are a money pit...
@@markszekeres7214 Beat me to it lol. R129 & r230's are giant money pits. Actually any old Benz is a money pit LOL.
Here is how much I spent on E63. I love this car a lot ruclips.net/video/-35AH497-2U/видео.html
I said it before I’ll say it agin never take your car to any open door
And what’s the torque for that bolts? Camshaft adjuster.
The screws are M6 10.9 an I make 16NM and hope it's fine!??
Overtorqued?
there's unanswered questions in your R32 engine video, did you use methanol in it?
what oil weight was the engine built for?
No, we did not get to running water/methanol yet. Oil I believe was a 40 or 50 weight. Still very thick when it came out. The issue was only the clearances like I mentioned in the video. I'll show the measurements in the next one
@@xfmotorsports looking forward to watch it, there was a lot of very specific and expensive materials in that engine
someone identified an "king bearings" racing set as well
it sort of looks like a specific build, not generic in any way
@@josep.3364 trying to act smart when you don't really understand comes across clearly in your comment.
@@TurboVisBits plenty of room to learn here, so go ahead
Sounds like you already almost need more people LOL
Wow what rims are those? Who else think they work well with the rest of the car?
LED in the rain sucks you can not see anything on the raod..i used to have LED in my car after a while i reunstall new OEM head lights its much better now
What do you mean?
The yellow ones are better in the rain?
@@hamzabouaziz1583 on my experince that i had.. Yes the yellow ones its perfect
Yellow lights doesn't reflect as much as the blue-ish lights. That's why people racing Baja 1000 (for example) would use more yellow-ish lights when following in the dust trail of another participant. Same applies to snow/rain, just in a different extent. That's what I've heard anyways... I reckon that's why for example Rigid Industries (led light bar manufacturer) let you choose colours for your light bar, depends on application.
Edit: it's a well discussed topic, so don't take my words on it.
an example if you're curious: forums.anandtech.com/threads/the-yellow-foglights-are-better-in-rain-myth.322679/
Not extremely difficult dealing with a gear driven sprocket.
Any timing chain job is 5 times more time involved and 50 times more bolts. Also the ecm will calculate compression off the speed of crank revolution not mass air flow.
Based off previous cylinder speed and after.
No pun intended.
Why does he have an adaptive cruise control grill on a W204?
It i think it was a option on some of the later ones
It doesn’t measure the air it measures cam and crank positions to detect a weak cylinder
You’ve got a lot of projects lined up, lucky you’re young so you have plenty of time left in life to get to them.
the beautiful thing is, he has already completed his race car build and he's able to enjoy it. Now he his sharing his wealth of knowledge and creating high quality parts for the rest of us
Those are torque to yield bolts you can't reuse them that's why they snapped
I guess the most adorable AMG is maybe the old cla45?
Wow inside clean engine 👌
Yeah that’s my man!
Does the Thunderbird have a Mercedes engine?
OM606?
Would be amazing but he wants to keep the original one
it makes me very sad to see AMG made engine with worn cams. In my SL i have old, tough bastard called M119 with 300k miles on it and cams are like new ones...
Wow. Tasos hasn't seen anything like this yet 😂
the bolts are broken because off the valves have hit the piston, the weakest points are the bolts... always check for bent valves! they did hit! (as you find out) lol
How do you charge for something like this?
Thats what happens when you use electric or air tools to tighten down everything lol. Always use correct tourqe!
what sort of noise will a worn out cam make? looking at a E63, and there is a 'ticking' sound when idling
Nice turbo honda, its pretty much like owning a super car
Change your channel name to XF Motorsport you deserve way more views.
Too many ugga duggas... But on all five? that's nuts!
Jesus, could they make the cam lobes any sharper? Too bad they don't have variable cam timing so that they could make a more reasonable/longer lasting cam.
It is variable but uses adjusters for that. The lobs were made so sharp to keep the valves open for longer and in more aggressive manner - racing technique.
@@AccentOnCars I think you have that backwards. Sharp lobes are short duration.
(Plus I owned one of these and sold it just before it let go of some of it's head bolts. I had no idea this was a problem at this time)
@@notj5712 sorry you’re right. I didn’t express myself properly. Sharper lobs help open the valves more and close faster with each stroke.
Absolutly love the content! I'm only at a 8hours drive from your shop, I am studying to become a mechanical engeneer and I would absolutly love to give you a pair of hands for a day or two completly free just for sake of learning and seeing how you operate your shop! Please hit me up if you think that would be possible. It'd be a dream come true for me.
So glad I got rid of my 63 when I did. The only thing I liked about it was the engine, and apparently they're made of glass. Suspension sucked, seats sucked, entertainment system sucked. At least it didn't blow up before I sold it CarMax. I got lucky.
They are money pits. Everyone that comes in for service with over 60K on it needs usually a solid $2-4k worth of work. Common issues are worn/broken engine mounts, leaking VC gaskets & rattling cam adjusters.
10:11, maybe he overtorqued them and broke everyone of em and never said anything and left it like that?
EDIT:** ^ I was right xD I just literally was watching the video while making my conclusion lol...
Also if there was no torque spec on those 5 broken bolts, what did you torque it to? Where'd you get the specs for that?
Lime a lot of the time you can just get a generic cookbook answer for bolt torques depending on the bolt size, pitch count, hardness, and material it's going into.
@@MotownModels mhm, i guess... I just wanted a specific answer from SK8215 himself to see how he did it.
Lime I mean, it turned out to be the wrong torque value anyways. Should be 20nm according to the M156 master Tasos.
What? You didn't have to remove the front bumper? And, this is in a small car with a big v8? (Audi I'm looking at you)
I made a DIY for those who need it ruclips.net/video/zJO1qNnhxw4/видео.html