I read almost all comments and nobody wrote something about the piston. So here we go, what if the pockets on the piston it was in the right place, what would have happened?
Tasos, PLEASE HELP: I had the same issue and my mechanic fixed it exact same way. It runs well, but soon after the fix I started hearing a minor chain noise at cold start up occasionally. I don’t think it is the adjusters. What could it be? What should I ask him to recheck for?
Same result I imagine Tasos- the pistons relief cuts are for clearance in normal operating conditions and not when some knucklehead allows the cams to get out of timing. I imagine that the level of piston to valve interference throughout the combustion cycle is much more than the few millimetres that the valve reliefs give. Any risk that one could bend a Conrod in these circumstances without damaging the crown of the piston?
@@markraumer2336 since there's is no dent on the piston means that the valve barely touch, if the relief cuts was in the correct place we will not talk about that now.
Dude put the hood up into the service position! One of the best quirks Mercedes Benz has! It pains me to see you straining your back! Great work though! Keep it up!
I'm in the market for one of these in Australia so it's encouraging to see that a 200k engine looks so good in the bores. As long as the owners carry out regular servicing there is no reason that these motors can last a long time. It looks like the only Achilles heel is the cam adjusters and wear on the cam lobes and buckets. Adding something like a LiquiMoly anti friction oil sounds like a good option. Great video man. Thank you.
Thank you for posting this! I was always curious what would happen if the camshaft adjuster completely let go and caused the timing to be off what the damage would be. I have also been curious about getting the head machined when replacing headbolts and your explanation was very thorough! Great content as always!!
My question on the head maching as well. As far as bolts. Say if oil and coolant mixed due to broken head bolts and head needed to come off one simply needs to check with micrometer to determine head trueness. Could not find that anywhere for m156
that cylinder bore surface is ultra hard, amazingly minimal wear after 200K kilometers! MBZ went backwards with the M157 and that softer coating in the bores.
Man great videos. I just watched all the ones when you did the rebuild on the m113k engine. Full of knowledge. Respect from Chicago. I'm about to start dropping the engine on my cls55. Thank you
Awesome video. I recently rebuilt a k series. Skip timing bent 8 valves in the head & did main bearings & rod bearings. Today was my first drive. Love the feeling of accomplishment .
I have the same c63 that is continuing to misfire. Catalytic converter was clogged so dealership replaced that along with intake manifold. Removed the secondary cat and installed long tube headers at a shop and also applied a tune. The shop test drove it and it still had a misfire. They took off the tune to test it that way and still misfired. What are your suggestions on what our next step should be.
The check engine light has to be the teach in procedure for the adjusters being needed, done via Xentry. I was just curios exactly how much smoke (antifreeze burning) did the car make, once you let it run? You must have spent time with compressed air removing antifreeze from the head bolt threads, especially since you didn't drop the antifreeze from the block. The red stuff on the bolts was assembly oil, or ATF? which assembly oil did you use?
I recently replaced the conrod bearings in my Caterham (2.0L Duratec) but I reused the bolts, now I'm really scared that the bottom end will go... 200 miles on it with no issuess so far, should I order some new rod bolts for pease of mind.
Your a boss🙌 wish you would work on my 2009 c63 amg, it had a pop in the engine and started smoking out of one exhaust pipe and threw a check engine light now... 😵
The valve clearance on the piston main design is to make clearance for valve closing timing 10degree BTDC on all engine... Even on race application, this is the standard used... The valve relief wont take accounts of "out of timing scenario" on interference engine... And the valve indent on the piston shows exactly that out of timing condition...which is normal the indent so far out of place than the machined valve relief on pistons... Just in case u wondering why its doing that...
You are smart! That is incresibled that you are able to remove those parts and put them.back together. My daily drive is a Porsche Cayenne Turbo it is not easy to work on it.You remind me of Sam,y favorite Indian mechanic, he drives a Lotus.
As much as I would love the power of a C63 over the power of my C55, I am reminded why I won't be getting into one of these when I see how difficult and mainly cramped it is to work on.... Also, how nice is it that one guy who you know, knows what he is doing is working on your car the whole time!
I agree , I have CLK55 ,,much less complex than M156,,sure not as much power ,,but so reliable ...a good balance between power ,reliability and fuel economy.
Venom63 I know it’s not THAT bad but still, 300-400k miles are practically dime a dozen when it comes to the m113. Time will tell if that’s the case for the m156, just seems like they are hit or miss in some regards from stories. I’d still pick one up if I found a steal of a deal 😂
I'll check out your swap that is cool! Anyways, I agree that the M156 and M157 is hit or miss quality wise. So much so even that I am shocked! I would forgive AMG and Mercedes-Benz if it were due to just the nature of having a more powerful engine but there are so many failures popping up due to poor quality control or casting errors in ways that are almost unforgivable. As if the engine builder slacked off or the QC people just went on break.@@ANDERZENAMG
And the other thing im not familiar with mechanic things but i like DIY most of my things getting information on net i hv w203 C320 v6 n C240 engines i swapped the engine n put C320 into C240 car it was starting gud but the oil pump wasnt working so oil wasnt circulating n the engine makes a noise like smthing hv droppedin inside which i think myb it droppes the valve or bend conrod so i wanted to ask if i can take the head for C240 n replace the C320 head with C240
hi, how long do you think it would take to replace head bolts with the new type(assuming none break off while removing the old)? Thanks for the video!!
Would the car start if the values were bent? As I'm in a situation where the cam adjusters got replaced, and the timing is right but it misfires on cylinder 1&2
Hi .thanks you for your videos, i larned a lot from you!!! I have a question.... Why do i have to change the head bolts ? Can i use the same ones? Thanks.
Do you know if this c63 is a P31 performance package one or is it just the standard one? Would love to know cause of how the piston held up and the cylinder lining
It’s just the standard one, you can tell because the intake manifold is a light grey colour, the engines with dark grey intake manifold has the performance package, also the lite grey rocker covers means its 2010 or below, the 2011 and above has black rocker covers
PLEASE HELP: I had the same issue and my mechanic fixed it exact same way. It runs well, but after the fix I started hearing a minor chain noise at cold start up occasionally. What could it be? What should I ask him to recheck for?
I was going to comment on the cylinder glazing until you said its got 200,000km plus the wall coating. That would explain it! I'm looking at an S550 with over 200,000 in it. Fingers crossed
Haha never thought I'd hear Mercedes and reliable in the same sentence. Although credit is due having a m113 engine that was still running although barely with 240k miles on it. But hey at least I had a reason to ls swap it. Looks like you will be needing a bigger shop soon with all the things you have coming up. Keep up the good work. If I am ever in the area with my GM wagon I'll stop by for an alignment
Only reason this motor bent the intake valve cause of bad repair by shit mechanic he said. All engine rebuilds on this car are top end as well easy to fix
"What I love about these Mercedes cars is, the first time you fix them, everything just works on them." Er, what about that Merc R class you had? Worst car you ever owned, you said
Problem is, the fix can be a few times more costly than the entire car at times, our w639 Viano needs to be rewired completely because of a factory fault that allows wires to wear and short out, causing every single system in the car to stop working correctly
@@xfmotorsports in russia they swap the toyota/lexus 3uzfe engine in those mercedes Rclass and in many other mercedes like the sprinter. They even swap the 3uzfe in range rovers, porsche cayenne, gwagen....
why does a Mercedes Benz engine have so much parts and component unlike other cars, weather they are performance or not. can you explain pls. they are my favorite brand
I think you should use covers for the car while working. I am confident that you are careful not to ruin the painjob, but some customers would definitely appreciate if you are extra carefull with the car. A good image is always important.
I have done a lot of work on my cars over the last 50+ years but never touched an engine. Way complicated. I guess you have to be smarter than me to do it and do it right. I noticed you use LiquiMoli oil. I use it on my e320 which I find very reliable by the way. How many miles should you run that stuff?
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I read almost all comments and nobody wrote something about the piston. So here we go, what if the pockets on the piston it was in the right place, what would have happened?
Can a piston like that be designed and manufactured or will the compression suffer too much as a result?
Tasos, PLEASE HELP: I had the same issue and my mechanic fixed it exact same way. It runs well, but soon after the fix I started hearing a minor chain noise at cold start up occasionally. I don’t think it is the adjusters. What could it be? What should I ask him to recheck for?
Same result I imagine Tasos- the pistons relief cuts are for clearance in normal operating conditions and not when some knucklehead allows the cams to get out of timing. I imagine that the level of piston to valve interference throughout the combustion cycle is much more than the few millimetres that the valve reliefs give. Any risk that one could bend a Conrod in these circumstances without damaging the crown of the piston?
@@markraumer2336 since there's is no dent on the piston means that the valve
barely touch, if the relief cuts was in the correct place we will not talk about that now.
@@Sammyblueboy it will not effect the compression ratio
I swear I saw that car smile at one point int he video. :) Thank for another amazing video. That 350Z swap. Cant wait.
Hahaha, I always felt that the W204 grille is a smile
"exactly speed limit" 😂
Genius
Dude put the hood up into the service position! One of the best quirks Mercedes Benz has! It pains me to see you straining your back! Great work though! Keep it up!
That's an aftermarket hood. Maybe--maybe--there's something different with the hinges that doesn't allow it to go past where we see it.
I see dislikes from Merc parts dealers who lost their buck on cam adjusters they sell :)
The lifters are also a rip off point. Someone could have some machined and sell for under $200.
I'm in the market for one of these in Australia so it's encouraging to see that a 200k engine looks so good in the bores. As long as the owners carry out regular servicing there is no reason that these motors can last a long time. It looks like the only Achilles heel is the cam adjusters and wear on the cam lobes and buckets. Adding something like a LiquiMoly anti friction oil sounds like a good option. Great video man. Thank you.
Thank you for posting this! I was always curious what would happen if the camshaft adjuster completely let go and caused the timing to be off what the damage would be. I have also been curious about getting the head machined when replacing headbolts and your explanation was very thorough! Great content as always!!
Yeah, interference engines are no joke when timing goes wrong.
My question on the head maching as well. As far as bolts. Say if oil and coolant mixed due to broken head bolts and head needed to come off one simply needs to check with micrometer to determine head trueness. Could not find that anywhere for m156
that cylinder bore surface is ultra hard, amazingly minimal wear after 200K kilometers! MBZ went backwards with the M157 and that softer coating in the bores.
Man great videos. I just watched all the ones when you did the rebuild on the m113k engine. Full of knowledge. Respect from Chicago. I'm about to start dropping the engine on my cls55. Thank you
Awesome video. I recently rebuilt a k series. Skip timing bent 8 valves in the head & did main bearings & rod bearings. Today was my first drive. Love the feeling of accomplishment .
Hey man, are you going to continue with the ASL build? Also what's happening with the plans of mass producing it?
Yeh, trying to find the time. Once the work dies down a bit maybe
XF Motorsports I wish it never dies down :)
Nice video thanks so much for sharing hey what is that red Greece that you put before putting the camshaft.?
Hi, how do you clean the cylinder head and head gasket surface super clean. please share your tips.
Love the tunes!
Another great vid 👌
16:31 - how do you know to position that cam item that accepts the primary bolt where you did?
Another great video, thanks. Especially loved the dub music!!
Gud vid if i may ask since u hv removed the timming chain on the side u removed the head so the is no need to re-do timming
Excellent job! Would it also be best and braces to check the piston from the sump maybe by using a bore scope in the sump plug 🤔 very lucky owner
Do you use red loctite on the head bolts? Or is that some sort of sealant on there?
Great work ...
Very clean and professional...
I love it ...🌴👍🏼
I have the same c63 that is continuing to misfire. Catalytic converter was clogged so dealership replaced that along with intake manifold. Removed the secondary cat and installed long tube headers at a shop and also applied a tune. The shop test drove it and it still had a misfire. They took off the tune to test it that way and still misfired. What are your suggestions on what our next step should be.
The check engine light has to be the teach in procedure for the adjusters being needed, done via Xentry. I was just curios exactly how much smoke (antifreeze burning) did the car make, once you let it run? You must have spent time with compressed air removing antifreeze from the head bolt threads, especially since you didn't drop the antifreeze from the block. The red stuff on the bolts was assembly oil, or ATF? which assembly oil did you use?
YO the shop is full, am so happy for you 👍👍👍
Great work, like always!
Thanks for the update
Have any suggestions to pull a headbolt out that did unthread but wont pop out
Done a few of these now Go like stink but like to break if they drove hard constantly. Good work Matey.
I recently replaced the conrod bearings in my Caterham (2.0L Duratec) but I reused the bolts, now I'm really scared that the bottom end will go... 200 miles on it with no issuess so far, should I order some new rod bolts for pease of mind.
Tasos Jr...
Your a boss🙌 wish you would work on my 2009 c63 amg, it had a pop in the engine and started smoking out of one exhaust pipe and threw a check engine light now... 😵
what did you have between the valves to make them stick together? 12:58
Very good work. Interesting to see the similarities between this And an M119
The valve clearance on the piston main design is to make clearance for valve closing timing 10degree BTDC on all engine...
Even on race application, this is the standard used...
The valve relief wont take accounts of "out of timing scenario" on interference engine...
And the valve indent on the piston shows exactly that out of timing condition...which is normal the indent so far out of place than the machined valve relief on pistons...
Just in case u wondering why its doing that...
Did you do the other bank cam adjusters as well?
One thing quite informative that is not mentioned is the timming setting which is necessary for learners like me.
What do you use to clean all the parts?
Have you ever had a head bolt snap off on the M156? If so, can you get the bolt out without pulling the engine out of the car?
You are smart! That is incresibled that you are able to remove those parts and put them.back together. My daily drive is a Porsche Cayenne Turbo it is not easy to work on it.You remind me of Sam,y favorite Indian mechanic, he drives a Lotus.
As much as I would love the power of a C63 over the power of my C55, I am reminded why I won't be getting into one of these when I see how difficult and mainly cramped it is to work on.... Also, how nice is it that one guy who you know, knows what he is doing is working on your car the whole time!
I agree , I have CLK55 ,,much less complex than M156,,sure not as much power ,,but so reliable ...a good balance between power ,reliability and fuel economy.
It’s not that bad. My C63 is at 202k miles
Venom63 I know it’s not THAT bad but still, 300-400k miles are practically dime a dozen when it comes to the m113. Time will tell if that’s the case for the m156, just seems like they are hit or miss in some regards from stories. I’d still pick one up if I found a steal of a deal 😂
LE544 btw I am doing a 6 speed swap build series on my channel for the C55 if interested 🤙🏼
I'll check out your swap that is cool! Anyways, I agree that the M156 and M157 is hit or miss quality wise. So much so even that I am shocked! I would forgive AMG and Mercedes-Benz if it were due to just the nature of having a more powerful engine but there are so many failures popping up due to poor quality control or casting errors in ways that are almost unforgivable. As if the engine builder slacked off or the QC people just went on break.@@ANDERZENAMG
the music on this vid was awesome.
Do you know the songs names?
@@SetKat-Alex I would also like to know this.
How much difficulty in removing the exhaust manifold/header?
And the other thing im not familiar with mechanic things but i like DIY most of my things getting information on net i hv w203 C320 v6 n C240 engines i swapped the engine n put C320 into C240 car it was starting gud but the oil pump wasnt working so oil wasnt circulating n the engine makes a noise like smthing hv droppedin inside which i think myb it droppes the valve or bend conrod so i wanted to ask if i can take the head for C240 n replace the C320 head with C240
hi, how long do you think it would take to replace head bolts with the new type(assuming none break off while removing the old)? Thanks for the video!!
ever find out anser on this?
Can I get any help on which car to choose from 2008 MB ml63 amg and 2011 MB ml350 grand edition. I look forward for a help on d one to choose
Great fix. Good job
Would the car start if the values were bent? As I'm in a situation where the cam adjusters got replaced, and the timing is right but it misfires on cylinder 1&2
How your valve tapets charged so fast?
Hi .thanks you for your videos, i larned a lot from you!!!
I have a question....
Why do i have to change the head bolts ?
Can i use the same ones?
Thanks.
Torque to yield bolts
Great Video, thank you for all🔥
I would have liked to see the cleaning of the pistons and valves
how many miles does theses cars make before u usually need to replace components?
Dam this guy is very good explaying stuff keep it bro gj
Another great one.
Shame for the black box glitch covering your 55 km/h speed during the pulls.
@XF Motorsports man, your workshop is always so surgically clean, or at least looks like it 😉
BTW, when are you hiring an apprentice?
my friend im looking for wheel spacers for my 09 c63. im in alberta. please let me know if you know how i can get these. thanks
Great video as usual. I still encourage you to make some videos about classic cars as well :)
Any chance of having the gtr update video?
I recently rebuild my 52cc weed Wacker and had three bolts left over how many did you have after replacing the bent valves 🤣😂
A lot, since almost all of them are one time use 😆
@@xfmotorsports lol
@@xfmotorsports If it wasn't made in Sindelfingen, it's not a Mercedes. 🤣
Do you know if this c63 is a P31 performance package one or is it just the standard one? Would love to know cause of how the piston held up and the cylinder lining
It’s just the standard one, you can tell because the intake manifold is a light grey colour, the engines with dark grey intake manifold has the performance package, also the lite grey rocker covers means its 2010 or below, the 2011 and above has black rocker covers
I wanna see the 114/115 :)
Great work as always!
Nice man. I recently grabbed a set of 6 piston brembos from an AMG C63 to whack on my z32 300zx. Pain finding a rotor to match.
Wilwood universals with custom hats
FCPeuro has the Brembo brand rotors.
great fix, cant wait to see E55
Hi, what year is the C63?
E55 that’s exciting...looking forward to watching 💯👍
Hi, I have a 2016 amg gt s.
Do you know a good MB indy mechanic shop in Vancouver?
how did you clean the heads?
You brilliant brother, can I ask how much this kind of job cost?
i like these videos because never worked on these amg cars and i find them interesting
Great work. I will stick with E55s, they are bullet-proof. But if I get a E63, C63 for a deal, I will use your video as a reference.
Can you please disable mid-roll ads?
Why you covered it with black poly
looks good fx
PLEASE HELP: I had the same issue and my mechanic fixed it exact same way. It runs well, but after the fix I started hearing a minor chain noise at cold start up occasionally. What could it be? What should I ask him to recheck for?
tensioner maybe
Eiron Warrington he removed the driver side head to replace a valve. What could go wrong with the tensioner? Isn’t it fool-proof?
Nice to watch an AMG engine being built by one man like the ad's say. You should put your name on the engine badge.
Just curious, how much does this exact job cost?
The guys a f@xkin genius! Loving the videos! I'm feeling brave enough to buy a 63 after watching that😂
Love the new music!!! 🎶🎶
Finally the content I’ve been waiting for!
Sir Are you a automobile engineer
That’s a broad title, but no, I am an electrical engineer but primarily a M156 enthusiast
Good job!
That welding on cam adjuster is fixing not just replacing parts
I was going to comment on the cylinder glazing until you said its got 200,000km plus the wall coating. That would explain it!
I'm looking at an S550 with over 200,000 in it. Fingers crossed
Is it possible that the valves got bent by the peak combustion pressure occurring at the wrong time and they never actually contacted the piston? 🤔
Nice work thanks bro 🌹🌹
Lets' see some more of that clean T-bird.
That's it, from now on I'm doing all my valve replacement and lapping with a drill. 😂👍
I've always put the drill on the back of the valve, never thought to use another valve in the drill and do it from the front!
Hey this videos are awesome! Thanks for sharing! But could you pls remove the background music? Eg at 16:50 I think no music would be great.
Why dont you removed complete engine so that it's easy to work
Love the soundtrack
Haha never thought I'd hear Mercedes and reliable in the same sentence. Although credit is due having a m113 engine that was still running although barely with 240k miles on it. But hey at least I had a reason to ls swap it. Looks like you will be needing a bigger shop soon with all the things you have coming up. Keep up the good work. If I am ever in the area with my GM wagon I'll stop by for an alignment
AMG is reliable for what it is. A lambo mclaren Ferrari or BMW M with same power and mileage would be in worst shape.
Only reason this motor bent the intake valve cause of bad repair by shit mechanic he said.
All engine rebuilds on this car are top end as well easy to fix
"What I love about these Mercedes cars is, the first time you fix them, everything just works on them." Er, what about that Merc R class you had? Worst car you ever owned, you said
R class is not a Mercedes. It's a piece of junk
@@xfmotorsports hey hey my w164 ml500 is just a fine machine
Part of it is fixing them correctly ...too many mechanics mess them up , causing more problems than they fix.
Problem is, the fix can be a few times more costly than the entire car at times, our w639 Viano needs to be rewired completely because of a factory fault that allows wires to wear and short out, causing every single system in the car to stop working correctly
@@xfmotorsports in russia they swap the toyota/lexus 3uzfe engine in those mercedes Rclass and in many other mercedes like the sprinter. They even swap the 3uzfe in range rovers, porsche cayenne, gwagen....
On MB cars since w202, plastic, rubber and even plastic cover for electrical wires are biodegradable.
why does a Mercedes Benz engine have so much parts and component unlike other cars, weather they are performance or not. can you explain pls. they are my favorite brand
Damn good video.
Where your workshop
I think you should use covers for the car while working. I am confident that you are careful not to ruin the painjob, but some customers would definitely appreciate if you are extra carefull with the car.
A good image is always important.
I have done a lot of work on my cars over the last 50+ years but never touched an engine. Way complicated. I guess you have to be smarter than me to do it and do it right.
I noticed you use LiquiMoli oil. I use it on my e320 which I find very reliable by the way. How many miles should you run that stuff?
The AMG engine builder did a great job on this car.
How much is a job like this
hope you didn't forget about the the bolts on the passenger side:p
Nice job