You must spend every day pretending to act like you're falsely letting on that you aren't not unbetraying someone you don't not purport to allegedly not work for but actually do! How do you keep all this shit straight without having an aneurysm! Ocelot: Practice.
If we're gonna be honest, if Big Boss were to die early from some sort of devastating disaster or just of natural causes via a sickness or something, the medic probably would've been next in line for the title seeing as he's second to him in terms of ability, wouldn't be surprised if Venom even had any claim on Big Boss's will if he died before Venom did since he was one of the most trusted soldiers.
I always took it as Big Boss had a worried/nervous reaction to Kaz's suggestion. Because he felt Kaz is a bit too overconfident and optimistic at first, before explaining that it's won't be that simple.
Prince of Stealth venom snake dies in 1995 during the events of 'Operation Intrude N313' (i.e. the first metal gear game) look it up if you dont believe me. big boss is almost burned to death in 1999 during metal gear 2 but his body is kept in a nanomachine induced coma by the patriots. BB later dies in 2014 (mgs4)
Kaz is all like "I was cipher's mole, but I'm with you Snake!" Meanwhile Snake is probably thinking, "Fucking two-faced pile of shit, just like all the others. I'm dumping you as soon as I have an excuse." *Ground Zeroes happens, then 9 years of coma* Snake is like "Eyyyyyyy!" And Kaz is all, "Snake why did you abandon me!?? I've been so loyal! I'm totes helping Solid kill you now!"
W Muench Of course, when Kaz tells Boss to hear him out, he moves his mannerisms resemble Liquid Snake's and Kaz even describes Outer Haven and the War Economy that Liquid later on establishes through Ocelot.
Protocol Penguin Yes he does, Kaz turns on Big Boss in MG2, Liquid Snake is Kaz's doppelgänger, even Kaz talk about the events that happen in MGS4 about the war economy, then Ocelot becomes Liquid's doppelgänger and establishes Outer Haven.
@@Night_Dragon11 Ocelot didn't exactly become Liquid's doppelganger the same way Venom Snake did with Big Boss. They put Big Boss' memories in Venom Snake (somehow). Venom Snake himself didn't know who he really was until the very end of MGSV. Even though Venom and Boss are identical in both body and presumably in mind, they're not the same person. They're separate entities. In Ocelot and Liquid's case, they literally fuse together. After Ocelot put on Liquid's arm, in the beginning, Liquid would very occasionally take over Ocelot. But as time passed, both sentient minds and personalities fused together. Liquid Ocelot is quite literally both Liquid Snake and Ocelot, fused into one single entity.
Peace Walker, one of the greatest and most fun entry of the series. It told the story of previous events, and paved a path that leads up to the original MGS entries and makes sense to it all. It gave us CO-OP, multiplayer, funny weapons, and a lot more, including MSF itself. MSF's a business, a new kind of business.
If we look at the storyline, it was Kaz who started the events of Peace Walker, letting Paz and Zadornov in MSF, Kaz started the whole Outer Haven idea of a War Economy that Liquid Ocelot would later use, it's clever how he and Big Boss look like Liquid Snake and Solid Snake standing next to each other, Liquid would indeed be Kaz's doppelganger, then Ocelot becomes Liquid's doppelganger, in The Phantom Pain, Venom Snake rescues Kaz while the real Big Boss was likely rescuing Frank Jaeger who would become his most trusted Lieutenant instead of Kaz, Frank is later killed by Liquid (Kaz's doppelganger), while Ocelot kills the real Kaz earlier to enable Liquid to become Kaz's doppelganger, all doppelgangers are seen in The Phantom Pain.
I wish kaz had a more meaningful death. Unfair for him to die in MGS1. He was just assassinated and that’s really all we get. Kaz played the one of the biggest roles in the franchise
@@DavidJr0917 Kaz didn't want to go along with Zanzibarland, Ocelot told him the truth but to blindside him for Kaz to think it was Venom that went and took control of Foxhound instead of Big Boss when in reality it was Big Boss himself without the knowledge of Venom, and thus both Kaz, Venom and Solid Snake were fooled which led to Solid Snake's first mission and Kaz training Solid Snake, it was Kaz who went back to Cipher.
@@DavidJr0917 it makes perfect sense since Big Boss would not betray his good friend, Frank Jaeger and capture him, Venom Snake did likely to get back at the real Big Boss but the Outer Heaven uprising was just a front for the true nation Big Boss was building in Zanzibarland which Frank Jaeger was the second in command followed by Ocelot.
Actually naked not solid. Solidnand liquid is a clone. And then venom. Lol haha. Thats why naked sent solid snake to outer heaven. To be captured by venom or be killed but the opposite happened. Solid snake killed venom snake. So solid and liquid fight. Then liquid died so at the end of mgs4 its just solid and naked snake. Naked snake is the real bigg boss. Geez. What pretentious fan
Explains why Big Boss left or betrayed Miller during MGSV... If it's also true, he betrayed Boss 2 times already. Even Code Talker warned Venom of Miller.
I've always respected Hayter's voice as Snake but its so weird hearing him come out of a leader like Big Boss in this moment. Hayter's voice for Snake worked for a tool of the mission and a one-man army. I think Kiefer's tone was the right one for a guy who leads and commands.
Kief was a perfect choice, what I was looking forward to was the sequel where it would have had Big Boss and Snake interacting with each other. I think Kojima was hoping to last until a Metal Gear MX retcon story telling.
Snake = action movie hero ---> fits Hayter since he just has to sound cool Big Boss after = Leader ---> fits Sutherland more since he sounds more charismatic
@Týr it's still a very drastic speech change after the previous big boss game but it can be excused as getting ten years older and being a avid cigar smoker
Thank you for pointing that out ! I always felt like kaz was being a drama queen at the end of MGSV, when he finds out about big boss's plan. He should be happy. He is still an integral part of Big boss plan of outer heaven, along with venom and ocelot. But i guess kaz wanted things to be his way or the higway.
Miller wasn't loyal, he was self serving, he sold out Big Boss here for bussiness, you can even tell that BB decided to part with him then and there, probably didn't right away to prevent a revolt within his forces. People followed Snake but Miller still held a considerable influence, probably after this when he contacted Ocelot and waited for Zero to make his retaliation. MsF was finished, no way the could compete against Ciphers resources. And BB best move was to strike with stealth. That is what he was readying for. After going into hiding Miller proved to be even more of a liability, how many missions did he "unknowingly" take on behalf of cipher, how many times did he defy Venom in front of the troops. Miller was becoming more unhinged, Shadow Moses simply provided the convinient excuse they needed to remove him from the board.
Still Big boss and Solidus snake are better most people that are living in our world today. They had values and honor unlike the scum humanity is today. The boss's will sucks bruh is so bad I can't believe Big boss wanted to follow her will. Still sad seeing kaz and Big boss not being together anymore and Solidus snake is left in dust and nobody talking about him.
BB: "Can we survive long enough to see the 21st century?" Kaz: "I'm with you Boss! We'll see how it turns out... together!" Notice how Big Boss doesn't respond to Kaz here? He is already planning in his head of abandoning Kaz after being in contact with Cipher. Hence why Big Boss leaves Kaz in The Phantom Pain and gives his identity to his best soldier in order to take his place!
@@agnel47 it does. But we are so pissed about this, we dont really care about newcomers, it is not about making your experience better, not for warning or a just cause, just for revenge. We were deprived of an ending, denied of the history we built together and wanted to see. Every day, every night, i can feel the content cuttet, i can feel the story and the unfinished shit, the promises they made, the hopes we invested in years of love for this franchise, this phantom pain, you can feel it too right?
@@LuizFerrazLF I hope you're not serious, Metal Gear Solid V The Definitive Experience is by far the best Metal Gear in terms of everything though Guns of The Patriots' story is unrivaled but V is amazing because it has the Fox engine, the story is great even though I knew all along that Venom Snake isn't the real Big Boss.
I find it kind of strange how Kaz was so butt-hurt at the end of MGS 5. Sure, he was left out of the loop for the larger plan, but he wasn't necessarily betrayed or usurped. Honestly, I think he should be grateful. He survived a helicopter crash that nearly killed him, and he pretty much has the highest rank at Diamond Dogs only under BB and probably Ocelot. And tbh, Big Boss would have had every right to kill him right after explaining what he told him at 1:04.
Three years later, but it's not that he was hurt because he was left out, was more the idea behind of Outer Heaven ideology of all the opposite of Kaz's dream of war economy and the whole thing they were building with Big Boss, so he felt His dream was used and ditchet
I think this is the point where big boss stopped trusting kaz and just made his own plan of building outer haven. Cus we see in phantom pain he just went on his own route without telling kaz anything
Zero921000 Theres still the possibility of David Hayter returning if Kojima chooses to remake the two original metal gear games that predate the first MGS
I just really hope at the end of MGSV we get to see Big Boss talking to Snake: maybe before he receives his codename (remember, his birth name is David). I'd love to see Big Boss talking with a Snake who's using Hayter's voice as he receives his codename in FOXHOUND, but that's just me.
Yeah, Hayter kinda sucked on PW, but it wasn't his fault. They told him to sound like Old Snake, and obviously he had to make it a bit different from Big Boss and Snake. It's just sad that he got dumped just like that afterwards, like it's his fault (which isn't)
I don't think he really got dumped. If a future game is going to have Big Boss meet Solid Snake, they will each need to have their own voice. And we all know Hayter is snake.
***** By future game, you mean the original Metal Gear games( 1 & 2) but remakes. But Richard Doyle did such a good job as Big Boss in the graveyard scene of MGS4.
He did. But was Big Boss that old in Metal Gear 1? Additionally, I think he should sound a bit younger and sharper. Richard Doyle sounded like a father figure more than a nemesis.
I just realized that Big Boss’ question about “can we live to see the 21st century” turned out to be answered “no”. Because he “dies” on December 25th, 1999. Just a week before the 21st century.
Maybe so. but after so many games with the same damn voice, it gets to be a bit grating. Also david hayter snake just tends to make my mind snap to how much I hate solid snakes whiny ass.
If they destroyed your entire base and killed all your men, After that chop off your leg and arm and apart from that knowing Big boss leaves you with phantom. I would not be smiling and dancing belive me, He's just full of hatred of all the bull that has Happend to him.
+Baker Salahat Not really.. Bigboss is already established! If not then probably but I would prefer david or doyle. Since MGS3 is already made and peace walker, it is reasonable to bring david back.
+Baker Salahat so solid snake became big boss? and didn't Peace Walker come Before Snake Eater so how does he still have the eye patch.(started playing since Snake Eater that's y)
Im mad with mgs4, Boss at the end talking about Ocelot, the Patriots, Naomi, Even Liquid and the boss. But why since mgs1 is Miller not named or something? He's the third or second most important character in MG HISTORY.
cause he's a traitor fuck that used big boss many times and then was his "son" mentor to fuck him over but liquid killed, and i think they also sort of forgot him at one point or big boss didn't want to mention him due to their past
Miller got his role in MG saga after Peace Walker. Before PW he was mentioned only in MGS1. That is why he wasn`t mentioned in any MGS game before PW but MGS1
Miller was already in Portable ops. That's where they first met and also Campbell. The game is even before mgs4. The reason why Miller became irrelevant after his death is probably because he left the whole business after going back to foxhound. After MGS GZ his whole purpose was always revenge driven and I doubt he can maintain it for so long since he's not much of a soldier anymore with his body. And everytime the object of his revenge die, he will be left again with phantom pain that at some point his motivation will just die along through time. He even somehow started a family and a daughter was once mentioned in one of the games. He's just like Huey who never really ratted out the DD or MSF but just went along with life and somehow his past sins haunted him in the present.
I've never played peace walker. It makes sense now y snake had to assign a body double to take his place in V. He was a target. They had to ensure his survival being the head of diamond dogs who they all revered. Still kinda messed up making somebody live your life.
Punished Fernando but in V, big boss said on the "the man who sold the world" tape at the end "now you know who you really are" which would mean big boss know initially that venom snake did not know he was not truly big boss. Venom snake went through psychotherapy to believe he was big boss. I don't think big boss beloved venom snake agreed to be big boss. He was in a coma. I think big boss took advantage of the situation.
@@coreydavis9546 But that has a double meaning, that could mean that he still was under the impression that the Medic consented to the whole thing, but that tape was to re explain it all back to him when his time had come. He underwent heavy amounts of psychotherapy and brainwashing to make him believe he was Big Boss, but the real Big Boss still may not have been informed that the Medic didn't consent to the process.
Good ol' MSF, where you actually get to play as the real Big Boss 😑. I just wish David Hayter didn't get so raspy and the end of his run. He was great in my opinion in 1 & 2. Didn't sound so forced.
"This mercenary business we've built, someday, it's going to be a new driving force in the world economy." "Snake, before I think we should invest in this company called Apple, it'll be huge!" "There'll be this sci-fi franchise that will over take the world called star wars." "We will some day play these things called video games, in fact Our lives will be so awesome, one werido from Japan will chronicle our lives and the lives of our descendants." "People will get into books again with this series called Harry Potter and the subsequent movie series." "Speaking of books and movies, comic books will grow into a pop culture phenomenon and make over a billion dollars." "Iran will hold American embassy workers hostage and it will seriously harm US-Iran relations for years." "And lastly, MSF will NOT be destroyed by a shriveled up cowboy and convince Huey to betray us and we'll be the bestest mercenary band for ever and ever... Kaz has spoken!" Big Boss: Neat! *MGS: GS and MGS5 happen* BB: Thanks a fuck load kaz! *pulls out Apple stock, doesn't return George Lucas' phone calls, talks with Marvel to turn Nick Fury into Big Boss break down, and MSF stops bothering a 9 year old girl to incorporate them into her future book series* (source: MGS: GZ and MGS5 deleted scenes)
Metal Gear Solid 3 Metal Gear Solid Portable Ops Metal Gear Solid Peace Walker Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain Metal Gear Metal Gear 2 Metal Gear Solid Metal Gear Solid 2 Metal Gear Solid 4 Metal Gear Rising Revengeance That's the chronology of the series.
***** I didn't list AC!D because unlike Rising, they are spinoffs that take place outside of the timeline. And your "plant chapter is optional chapter" physically hurts me. By that same logic Max Payne leapt off a building to his death and that counts as canon because the player can do it if they're a shithead.
***** The first AC!D game stars Snake with Pliskin hair taking orders from a character nobody hears from in any other game and who has no backstory. AC!D2 features a man brainwashed to be Snake. Both are 100% noncanon, not just semi-canon as is the case with Portable Ops. The core story of PO is canon, but AC!D has no place in the timeline whatsoever.
David Hayter will always be Snake. Why couldn't they of just gotten Kurt Russel to voice snake anyway? Snakes character is based 90% on The Escape From series.
It's just odd to traverse the whole main campaign watching a comic book come to life, then at the end suddenly get thrown a curve ball when it is discovered Konami was holding out on us all along. I sincerely thought Snake's face was frozen in a solemn glare, never even animated, until this scene proved me wrong.
I think it has to do with the memory of the PSP. In peace walker, all the jungle areas were very small due to the amount of polygons the foliage took up. Notice how this scene is set on an extremely low-poly stage. I reckon each animated vertex takes up a lot of memory.
Kaz: "she was a triple agent"
Ocelot: "that's cute"
Lmfaooo
He was a… sextuplet agent
He’s a fucking octo agent lmao
Ocelot will be
You must spend every day pretending to act like you're falsely letting on that you aren't not unbetraying someone you don't not purport to allegedly not work for but actually do! How do you keep all this shit straight without having an aneurysm!
Ocelot: Practice.
Can you imagine Venom, the medic just running around those days not knowing he'll be big boss one day
If we're gonna be honest, if Big Boss were to die early from some sort of devastating disaster or just of natural causes via a sickness or something, the medic probably would've been next in line for the title seeing as he's second to him in terms of ability, wouldn't be surprised if Venom even had any claim on Big Boss's will if he died before Venom did since he was one of the most trusted soldiers.
*a big boss
I feel like nano hypnosis shit was such a plot device that it was used most of the time to make a big twist
It would be funny if at that moment he's in a toilet taking massive dump or something
@@jonbragg5175 facts my guy
4:54 Big Boss' voice is louder than this helicopter. I guess that makes him the Boss.
LOL
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@@MrMrx123456789 the helicopter just knew better
*Big Boss
I am now imagine that he give a speech without a microphone
"I'm with you Boss. We'll see how it turns out together."
Fuck.
A Merry Can ;_;
A Merry Can too bad maester miller was killed in mgs1
Kadir Hizarci shhhhh
what? come on dude its been more than 15 years
Kadir Hizarci 15 years to soon :v
Man... The times must really have some hardcore journalists and writers to scare big boss so much
haha
underrated comment
As he said, they are essentually on the hit list of multiple countries.
It’s just that the information they will leak could prove either good or bad to them.
As do our own times.
Big boss, the only human being in the history of anything to declare war on an entire era.
kanye west
>Implying Kanye west's declaration has the backing of a self built competent military behind it.
+TheBrilliantAndAmazingGamer i was totally kidding
Kanye west's arrogance exceed's even vegeta's.
Imagine you commenting something 3 years ago, and forgetting about it. Then some random guy shows up just to annoy you.
Notice when Kaz says" we will see how this turns out together" big boss doesn't reply and that foreshadows big boss leaving him so easily
That's cold of Big Boss! :(
Good find!
I always took it as Big Boss had a worried/nervous reaction to Kaz's suggestion.
Because he felt Kaz is a bit too overconfident and optimistic at first, before explaining that it's won't be that simple.
Actually in this game Kaz was playing Big Boss, and was actually part of Cipher doing business pre retcon, you can watch tje tapes.
Pedro Juan
didn't need to, he already said it here. And he is going to regret doing that for a decade to come.
Snake sounds like he drank 100% alcohol for 10 years straight
It's them cigars!
Them good shit that makes him more than a Big Boss!
Well he got electrocuted and pretty much ruined his lungs what were you expecting?
mobious01 it's from smoking a lot
I think that’s pretty much what Solid Snake did but for a couple of years in Alaska.
"Assemble the men" the last thing David Hayter ever said as Snake
No it was...."This is Outer Heaven."
@@richardm.6515 The ending speech after the 2nd credits after this scene
Actually his last sentence was: From now on call me Big Boss.
According to MG Wikia, David Hayter re-recorded some lines for HD Collection. So no, those were not his last words as Snake.
Actually, the last thing he said was "squeeze my hog". Look it up.
Why do all of snakes endgame monologues go so hard
This one is up there with MGS3 legendary outdo
@@ulysses1320I’d say mgs2 definitely has the best one.
"Can we survive long enough to see the 21st century?"
*Dies in 1999*
He died on 2014...
Sorry poor mistake for Ahab
+Henrique Medeiros he actually dies in 2014 but its pretty funny that he almost dies in 1999 haha
Harris Sharif Venom Snake died in 1999
Prince of Stealth venom snake dies in 1995 during the events of 'Operation Intrude N313' (i.e. the first metal gear game) look it up if you dont believe me. big boss is almost burned to death in 1999 during metal gear 2 but his body is kept in a nanomachine induced coma by the patriots. BB later dies in 2014 (mgs4)
Kaz is all like "I was cipher's mole, but I'm with you Snake!"
Meanwhile Snake is probably thinking, "Fucking two-faced pile of shit, just like all the others. I'm dumping you as soon as I have an excuse."
*Ground Zeroes happens, then 9 years of coma*
Snake is like "Eyyyyyyy!"
And Kaz is all, "Snake why did you abandon me!?? I've been so loyal! I'm totes helping Solid kill you now!"
And when Big Boss tricks Kaz with The Phantom he gets all pissy.
W Muench Of course, when Kaz tells Boss to hear him out, he moves his mannerisms resemble Liquid Snake's and Kaz even describes Outer Haven and the War Economy that Liquid later on establishes through Ocelot.
Protocol Penguin Yes he does, Kaz turns on Big Boss in MG2, Liquid Snake is Kaz's doppelgänger, even Kaz talk about the events that happen in MGS4 about the war economy, then Ocelot becomes Liquid's doppelgänger and establishes Outer Haven.
@@Night_Dragon11 Ocelot didn't exactly become Liquid's doppelganger the same way Venom Snake did with Big Boss. They put Big Boss' memories in Venom Snake (somehow). Venom Snake himself didn't know who he really was until the very end of MGSV. Even though Venom and Boss are identical in both body and presumably in mind, they're not the same person. They're separate entities.
In Ocelot and Liquid's case, they literally fuse together. After Ocelot put on Liquid's arm, in the beginning, Liquid would very occasionally take over Ocelot. But as time passed, both sentient minds and personalities fused together. Liquid Ocelot is quite literally both Liquid Snake and Ocelot, fused into one single entity.
He didn't go against BB though, that's the wrong interpretation.
That Damn Paz. . .
SHE PLAYED US LIKE A DAMN FIDDLE ! ! ! !
i always felt bad for her, she actually liked MSF but Zero was such a bitch and scared the shit out of her
+gdlksim kaz is such a bitch for being so vengeful, revenge this, anger that, vengeance there... c'mon,
MrDeath5300
Not enuff fiddle
@fiddle i know im 4 years late but i hate you
Fun fact: this is the only cutscene where BB blinks in this game
Peace Walker, one of the greatest and most fun entry of the series. It told the story of previous events, and paved a path that leads up to the original MGS entries and makes sense to it all. It gave us CO-OP, multiplayer, funny weapons, and a lot more, including MSF itself.
MSF's a business, a new kind of business.
A burger joint.
@@RickGrimes807 a giant slingshot that you have to use with bud in coop
we also hunted monsters... including a monster that wasn't even in Monster Hunter.
The game really needa a remaster so we can have all these fun times again
The love box with kaz
If we look at the storyline, it was Kaz who started the events of Peace Walker, letting Paz and Zadornov in MSF, Kaz started the whole Outer Haven idea of a War Economy that Liquid Ocelot would later use, it's clever how he and Big Boss look like Liquid Snake and Solid Snake standing next to each other, Liquid would indeed be Kaz's doppelganger, then Ocelot becomes Liquid's doppelganger, in The Phantom Pain, Venom Snake rescues Kaz while the real Big Boss was likely rescuing Frank Jaeger who would become his most trusted Lieutenant instead of Kaz, Frank is later killed by Liquid (Kaz's doppelganger), while Ocelot kills the real Kaz earlier to enable Liquid to become Kaz's doppelganger, all doppelgangers are seen in The Phantom Pain.
I wish kaz had a more meaningful death. Unfair for him to die in MGS1. He was just assassinated and that’s really all we get. Kaz played the one of the biggest roles in the franchise
@@DavidJr0917 he had a meaningful death at the hands of Liquid/Eli for betraying Big Boss to Solid Snake in Zanzibar land.
@@Night_Dragon11 but big boss betrayed him no?
@@DavidJr0917 Kaz didn't want to go along with Zanzibarland, Ocelot told him the truth but to blindside him for Kaz to think it was Venom that went and took control of Foxhound instead of Big Boss when in reality it was Big Boss himself without the knowledge of Venom, and thus both Kaz, Venom and Solid Snake were fooled which led to Solid Snake's first mission and Kaz training Solid Snake, it was Kaz who went back to Cipher.
@@DavidJr0917 it makes perfect sense since Big Boss would not betray his good friend, Frank Jaeger and capture him, Venom Snake did likely to get back at the real Big Boss but the Outer Heaven uprising was just a front for the true nation Big Boss was building in Zanzibarland which Frank Jaeger was the second in command followed by Ocelot.
Sutherland does a more "convincing" Big Boss
while David does Solid the best
Actually naked not solid. Solidnand liquid is a clone. And then venom. Lol haha. Thats why naked sent solid snake to outer heaven. To be captured by venom or be killed but the opposite happened. Solid snake killed venom snake. So solid and liquid fight. Then liquid died so at the end of mgs4 its just solid and naked snake. Naked snake is the real bigg boss. Geez. What pretentious fan
Agreed!
Explains why Big Boss left or betrayed Miller during MGSV... If it's also true, he betrayed Boss 2 times already.
Even Code Talker warned Venom of Miller.
Code talkers is the old man right? I haven't finish MGS5 yet since I keep doing side ops. I heard that even Huey warn venom about miller
@@myaava6608yes. Code talker is the old man as the briefing tells you
I've always respected Hayter's voice as Snake but its so weird hearing him come out of a leader like Big Boss in this moment.
Hayter's voice for Snake worked for a tool of the mission and a one-man army. I think Kiefer's tone was the right one for a guy who leads and commands.
Rohan Kishibe and 『Heaven's Door』 i always remembers hayter's snake as a lovable goofball who happens to be a badass.
Kief was a perfect choice, what I was looking forward to was the sequel where it would have had Big Boss and Snake interacting with each other. I think Kojima was hoping to last until a Metal Gear MX retcon story telling.
Snake = action movie hero ---> fits Hayter since he just has to sound cool
Big Boss after = Leader ---> fits Sutherland more since he sounds more charismatic
Rohan Kishibe and 『Heaven's Door』 I feel like Hayter is Solid Snake and Naked Snake is Sutherland. It just fits.
shindean They just need to remake the two mgs games on the fox engine.
Btw to all the people who doesn't know , Hayter was asked to do Old Snake's voice in peace walker for some reason
it isn't hayter's fault
***** the old snake's voice I meant
Old snake wasn't on PW , David was just asked to act like him
@Týr it's still a very drastic speech change after the previous big boss game but it can be excused as getting ten years older and being a avid cigar smoker
He is 39 years old during the event of Peacewalker and going through a lot of stress and weather exposure
Kaz: hey boss btw I'm a cipher double agent oops
Also kaz: I can't believe big boss didn't trust me and told me his plans!
Thank you for pointing that out ! I always felt like kaz was being a drama queen at the end of MGSV, when he finds out about big boss's plan.
He should be happy. He is still an integral part of Big boss plan of outer heaven, along with venom and ocelot. But i guess kaz wanted things to be his way or the higway.
Miller wasn't loyal, he was self serving, he sold out Big Boss here for bussiness, you can even tell that BB decided to part with him then and there, probably didn't right away to prevent a revolt within his forces. People followed Snake but Miller still held a considerable influence, probably after this when he contacted Ocelot and waited for Zero to make his retaliation. MsF was finished, no way the could compete against Ciphers resources. And BB best move was to strike with stealth. That is what he was readying for. After going into hiding Miller proved to be even more of a liability, how many missions did he "unknowingly" take on behalf of cipher, how many times did he defy Venom in front of the troops. Miller was becoming more unhinged, Shadow Moses simply provided the convinient excuse they needed to remove him from the board.
Big Boss, while a huge warmonger, really seems to understand the true meaning of freedom from governments/politicians.
Still Big boss and Solidus snake are better most people that are living in our world today. They had values and honor unlike the scum humanity is today. The boss's will sucks bruh is so bad I can't believe Big boss wanted to follow her will. Still sad seeing kaz and Big boss not being together anymore and Solidus snake is left in dust and nobody talking about him.
You must be able to defend yourself from the world if you truly want to be free
Kaz had some nerve getting mad at Big Boss at the end of MGS5 after he betrayed Big Boss to Zero here. Smh
BB: "Can we survive long enough to see the 21st century?"
Kaz: "I'm with you Boss! We'll see how it turns out... together!"
Notice how Big Boss doesn't respond to Kaz here? He is already planning in his head of abandoning Kaz after being in contact with Cipher. Hence why Big Boss leaves Kaz in The Phantom Pain and gives his identity to his best soldier in order to take his place!
@@agnel47 it does. But we are so pissed about this, we dont really care about newcomers, it is not about making your experience better, not for warning or a just cause, just for revenge. We were deprived of an ending, denied of the history we built together and wanted to see. Every day, every night, i can feel the content cuttet, i can feel the story and the unfinished shit, the promises they made, the hopes we invested in years of love for this franchise, this phantom pain, you can feel it too right?
@@LuizFerrazLF k den
luiz gustavo hahaha yeah man you right ... was hyped to play big boss and build up his army and shit only to get betrayed by konami
@@agnel47 his spoiler ruined the real ending of the game but it can change depending on certain decisions and Hero/Demon points.
@@LuizFerrazLF I hope you're not serious, Metal Gear Solid V The Definitive Experience is by far the best Metal Gear in terms of everything though Guns of The Patriots' story is unrivaled but V is amazing because it has the Fox engine, the story is great even though I knew all along that Venom Snake isn't the real Big Boss.
"You're Russian is fantastic; where did you learn to speak it?"
"From my mentorrrrr..."
2:00 to 2:15 never has there been a more impactful prediction for the future in any video game ever.
you know this came out in 2010 right
@@taltoskieron LOL he means within context of the scene of what kaz is talking about.
Guess you've never played MGS2, huh?
@@grivebulbs7539 don't think he means literally, they're BOTH predictive.
@@Gadget-Walkmen not really a prediction when its been happening since the early 2000's
THEY ARE GONNA PLAY YOU LIKE A GODDAMN FIDDLE!
Scary this scene serves as a turning point of Big Boss become anti-villain
snake sounds like he ate a bowl of rusty nails without any milk
I find it kind of strange how Kaz was so butt-hurt at the end of MGS 5. Sure, he was left out of the loop for the larger plan, but he wasn't necessarily betrayed or usurped. Honestly, I think he should be grateful. He survived a helicopter crash that nearly killed him, and he pretty much has the highest rank at Diamond Dogs only under BB and probably Ocelot. And tbh, Big Boss would have had every right to kill him right after explaining what he told him at 1:04.
Three years later, but it's not that he was hurt because he was left out, was more the idea behind of Outer Heaven ideology of all the opposite of Kaz's dream of war economy and the whole thing they were building with Big Boss, so he felt His dream was used and ditchet
I think this is the point where big boss stopped trusting kaz and just made his own plan of building outer haven. Cus we see in phantom pain he just went on his own route without telling kaz anything
I love this voice of big boss i grew up with this and i will never forget it.
The entire budget of this game went into this 1 scene.
And it looks fucking great for a psp game, especially the hd version.
Man am I gonna miss Hayter as Big Boss.
Maybe to return as Solid Snake. Probably mainly at the end of The Phantom Pain. Let's hope that happens.
Zero921000 Theres still the possibility of David Hayter returning if Kojima chooses to remake the two original metal gear games that predate the first MGS
Yeah, I think Kojima might remake them again cuz fans want to play as Solid Snake again because mainly we played as Naked Snake/Big Boss.
and raiden for at least 1 game if you dont count metal gear rising
I just really hope at the end of MGSV we get to see Big Boss talking to Snake: maybe before he receives his codename (remember, his birth name is David). I'd love to see Big Boss talking with a Snake who's using Hayter's voice as he receives his codename in FOXHOUND, but that's just me.
Kaz just told Big Boss the events of MGS2-4...in a minute.
Anyone elsse notice that trickling synthesizer at 4:23, reminiscent of MGS1's main theme. Foreshadowing, I love it. :)
The theme of this whole game and phantom pain was literally big boss and Kaz starting the war economy which later plagues the world as we say in mgs4
Kaz: “She was a triple agent.”
Ocelot: “pft… Amateur.”
Zero: what did you say?
Ocelot: James Bond is great
Zero: that's my boy
Yeah, Hayter kinda sucked on PW, but it wasn't his fault. They told him to sound like Old Snake, and obviously he had to make it a bit different from Big Boss and Snake. It's just sad that he got dumped just like that afterwards, like it's his fault (which isn't)
I don't think he really got dumped.
If a future game is going to have Big Boss meet Solid Snake, they will each need to have their own voice. And we all know Hayter is snake.
***** By future game, you mean the original Metal Gear games( 1 & 2) but remakes. But Richard Doyle did such a good job as Big Boss in the graveyard scene of MGS4.
He did. But was Big Boss that old in Metal Gear 1?
Additionally, I think he should sound a bit younger and sharper.
Richard Doyle sounded like a father figure more than a nemesis.
***** Well, after that CQC Hug, he better be a father figure.
dilydaly123 I meant he should sound a bit younger and sharper in a MG1 remake, as the main antagonist.
I just realized that Big Boss’ question about “can we live to see the 21st century” turned out to be answered “no”. Because he “dies” on December 25th, 1999. Just a week before the 21st century.
The XXI century began on 1/1/2001 and ends on 31/12/2100.
he didnt die until 2014...
Oh boy, listening to this stuff makes me appreciate the gruff old man voice Kiefer Sutherland brings.
Maybe so. but after so many games with the same damn voice, it gets to be a bit grating. Also david hayter snake just tends to make my mind snap to how much I hate solid snakes whiny ass.
Bigjoe980's game corner solid snakes whiny ass ??? when did he whine about himself ? never man
Abosolutely true, Venom just didn't talk enough at all... Sucks, since Keifer Sutherland basically has the perfect gruff old man voice for it.
yeah i keep getting hung up on the crackles in this
You realize the directors told Hayter to play snake like this in PW, right?
Perhaps this is the moment when Big Boss thinks Kaz is no longer relevant to their insurrection
Kinda prophetic, this is happening today
Say Medic!
How would you like to be in my shoes?
I like how Snakes voice in the earlier games is sly, but then goes batman by the end of the series.
2:13 And boy oh boy how damn right he was ...
I love how in this scene alone big boss talks more then venom snake through the entirety of mgs5
Miller sounds so pissed in every talk in phantom Pain
If they destroyed your entire base and killed all your men,
After that chop off your leg and arm and apart from that knowing Big boss leaves you with phantom.
I would not be smiling and dancing belive me, He's just full of hatred of all the bull that has Happend to him.
@@SasukeKuroyami true lol
When Kaz predicts the future and its modern military industrial complex.
This is the true climax of Big Boss's story.
And then they all got blown out of the ocean a year later
Kaz literally predicted everything that happens
Just not the MSF way...
Davif Hayter for Solid Snake
Kiefer Sutherland for Big Boss
it fits perfect !
Baker Salahat YES!
What? Like when he say, I gotta need back for this, doesnt sound good. I wish it would but no.
+Baker Salahat Not really.. Bigboss is already established! If not then probably but I would prefer david or doyle.
Since MGS3 is already made and peace walker, it is reasonable to bring david back.
+Baker Salahat so solid snake became big boss? and didn't Peace Walker come Before Snake Eater so how does he still have the eye patch.(started playing since Snake Eater that's y)
cause when he was tortured his eye was shot, AND THAT CAME AFTER PEACE WALKER( am i wrong?)
1:13 Big Boss: ok, I get what you are doing. We’ll take advantage of this
10 years latter: Kaz: so that’s the way jt is? - Big Boss can go to hell
Im mad with mgs4, Boss at the end talking about Ocelot, the Patriots, Naomi, Even Liquid and the boss.
But why since mgs1 is Miller not named or something? He's the third or second most important character in MG HISTORY.
cause he's a traitor fuck that used big boss many times and then was his "son" mentor to fuck him over but liquid killed, and i think they also sort of forgot him at one point or big boss didn't want to mention him due to their past
Ocelot killed him cause he helped solid snake kill vemon snake.
Miller got his role in MG saga after Peace Walker. Before PW he was mentioned only in MGS1. That is why he wasn`t mentioned in any MGS game before PW but MGS1
Miller was already in Portable ops. That's where they first met and also Campbell. The game is even before mgs4. The reason why Miller became irrelevant after his death is probably because he left the whole business after going back to foxhound. After MGS GZ his whole purpose was always revenge driven and I doubt he can maintain it for so long since he's not much of a soldier anymore with his body. And everytime the object of his revenge die, he will be left again with phantom pain that at some point his motivation will just die along through time. He even somehow started a family and a daughter was once mentioned in one of the games. He's just like Huey who never really ratted out the DD or MSF but just went along with life and somehow his past sins haunted him in the present.
@@donnellebarfield3964 Nope KAZ helped Solid into killing the real Big Boss
He looked so happy..
Till Cipher PLAYED his fiddle
The MGS series is a case study on the military-industrial complex, and it's simply brilliant.
Kaz is peace in japanese
Invents war economy
To be continued in TPP!
Actually its GZ then its TPP
This is completely off-topic, but I love your profile picture so much.
Thank you, I've been trained in the ways of fiddling
Solid Ali speak for your fucking self.
All of this...was on a small PSP
This was the moment that Big Boss lost all confidence in Miller!
"Big boss can go to hell"
@@Gadget-Walkmen ok
But I'll send you deeper
Geez they seem so innocent here compared to in 5 lol
wait until the real big boss create zanzibar land and true outer heaven
YOU KNEW ARHLLLOFFDISHH!?"
This is where Big Boss leaves him to create his true Outer heaven.
Well, actually i think that that happens in MGSV, when Ocelot gives Boss a motocycle and he leaves.
But this is the inception... This is where the creation of Outer Heaven begins.
I never understood why Boss left Kaz in the dark but now i do
Kaz is... Travis Touchdown?
same voice yeah :)
+0nirayju Also voiced the TF2 Medic
Really ? Robin is my official Hero .
More like Duke Nukem
2 things that scare big boss.... vampires and journalists
I've never played peace walker. It makes sense now y snake had to assign a body double to take his place in V. He was a target. They had to ensure his survival being the head of diamond dogs who they all revered. Still kinda messed up making somebody live your life.
Yes except Snake didn't assign a double it was all Zero's doing and Snake agreed to it because he thought the Medic (the double) agreed to it
Punished Fernando but in V, big boss said on the "the man who sold the world" tape at the end "now you know who you really are" which would mean big boss know initially that venom snake did not know he was not truly big boss. Venom snake went through psychotherapy to believe he was big boss. I don't think big boss beloved venom snake agreed to be big boss. He was in a coma. I think big boss took advantage of the situation.
@@coreydavis9546 But that has a double meaning, that could mean that he still was under the impression that the Medic consented to the whole thing, but that tape was to re explain it all back to him when his time had come. He underwent heavy amounts of psychotherapy and brainwashing to make him believe he was Big Boss, but the real Big Boss still may not have been informed that the Medic didn't consent to the process.
0:32 Big Boss lighting up with a red bionic arm with fingers making a 'V' ... MGSV foreshadowing?
It's a peace sign ✌️, the game's literally named Peace Walker
@@crystalalumina no shit dickhead , but MGSV is a direct sequel to Peace Walker and they were released within 5 years of each other
@@leafsalad1604 why so defensive
I miss hayter voice :(
Rifqi Hanief no one cares
@@alpeshsrivastava you commented on a 2 year old comment clearly you care
@@julianvazquez8327 i also care too mate haha
Few years later Chpher comes in, Thanks to dumbass huey, "Nuke inspection team" destroys the motherbase... And thats how you born... The Big Boss.
The best Big Boss speech. And delivered by David Hayter.
This game was great
Big Boss almost made it to the 21st century...
But in 1999, Solid Snake stopped him.
Big Boss (spoiler)
Died in 2014
Dylan6249 meant to say Outer Heaven was stopped. And technically Solid Snake did stop Big Boss. He didn't die but he became a vegetable.
Not quite :)
Ioan Evetts The Medic (wink, wink)
Solid Snake I am actually DD in a disguise
Wait that artificial hand lighter looks a lot like his hand from MGSV. Was Kojima foreshadowing?
@Týr yes, it was supposed to foreshadow venom snake.
@@Gadget-Walkmen No it wasn't, it's Zadornov's prosthetic hand. It wasn't supposed to foreshadow anything.
Kojima called it. All of it.
This is art! Your kind of Hollywood Gaming!
After watching this, I no longer think Big Boss was the villain.
And that was the last game in the series where David was voicing a Snake.
Best game in franchise in my opinion
Good ol' MSF, where you actually get to play as the real Big Boss 😑. I just wish David Hayter didn't get so raspy and the end of his run. He was great in my opinion in 1 & 2. Didn't sound so forced.
+TBrizzle01 This. I can't agree more. He was great in 1 & 2. Okay in 3. Everything went downhill for 4 and beyond.
They (konami) told him to do the old solid voice.. Why is anyone guess.
@@AuriansmuleYeah cause Big Boss and Solid Snake got older lmfao you don't sound the same from when you were 5 right? Lmao
"This mercenary business we've built, someday, it's going to be a new driving force in the world economy."
"Snake, before I think we should invest in this company called Apple, it'll be huge!"
"There'll be this sci-fi franchise that will over take the world called star wars."
"We will some day play these things called video games, in fact Our lives will be so awesome, one werido from Japan will chronicle our lives and the lives of our descendants."
"People will get into books again with this series called Harry Potter and the subsequent movie series."
"Speaking of books and movies, comic books will grow into a pop culture phenomenon and make over a billion dollars."
"Iran will hold American embassy workers hostage and it will seriously harm US-Iran relations for years."
"And lastly, MSF will NOT be destroyed by a shriveled up cowboy and convince Huey to betray us and we'll be the bestest mercenary band for ever and ever...
Kaz has spoken!"
Big Boss: Neat!
*MGS: GS and MGS5 happen*
BB: Thanks a fuck load kaz!
*pulls out Apple stock, doesn't return George Lucas' phone calls, talks with Marvel to turn Nick Fury into Big Boss break down, and MSF stops bothering a 9 year old girl to incorporate them into her future book series*
(source: MGS: GZ and MGS5 deleted scenes)
This was great :)!
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The Good Timeline
War...has changed!
everything is against us and we must fight until we die. got your message, snake
In this one video Boss did speak 2 times more than Venom did in TPP.
This game's 2D animation was much better then their 3D animation
It _was_ a PSP game.
Always good to have an extra! :D
I miss this kaz
so MGS V takes place after peace walker?
Metal Gear Solid 3
Metal Gear Solid Portable Ops
Metal Gear Solid Peace Walker
Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes
Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain
Metal Gear
Metal Gear 2
Metal Gear Solid
Metal Gear Solid 2
Metal Gear Solid 4
Metal Gear Rising Revengeance
That's the chronology of the series.
I just realized that Solid Snake has been the main protagonist in less games than Big Boss...
***** Big Boss is the main protagonist of GZ. Solid Snake is not the main protagonist of MGS2.
***** I didn't list AC!D because unlike Rising, they are spinoffs that take place outside of the timeline. And your "plant chapter is optional chapter" physically hurts me. By that same logic Max Payne leapt off a building to his death and that counts as canon because the player can do it if they're a shithead.
***** The first AC!D game stars Snake with Pliskin hair taking orders from a character nobody hears from in any other game and who has no backstory. AC!D2 features a man brainwashed to be Snake. Both are 100% noncanon, not just semi-canon as is the case with Portable Ops. The core story of PO is canon, but AC!D has no place in the timeline whatsoever.
Im with u boss..we'll see how turns it out together. ..
Got killed by liquid
Konami played Kojima like a damn fiddle...
I used to be pissy that David Hayter didn't voice Big Boss in Ground Zeroes but...
I think Sutherland is better as Big Boss.
BerserkerDwarf I respect your opinion. But Jack Bauer can't be Big Boss. It's just not fair. It's the same as superman being thor.
*****
My thoughts exactly!
David Hayter will always be Snake. Why couldn't they of just gotten Kurt Russel to voice snake anyway? Snakes character is based 90% on The Escape From series.
BerserkerDwarf I still thing Richard Doyle did the best Big Boss so far. Would have loved to see him back in TPP
I still think its a ruse
I don't get it. Why the hell couldn't the whole game have had cutscenes like this?
Maybe for budget reasons.
It's just odd to traverse the whole main campaign watching a comic book come to life, then at the end suddenly get thrown a curve ball when it is discovered Konami was holding out on us all along.
I sincerely thought Snake's face was frozen in a solemn glare, never even animated, until this scene proved me wrong.
I think it has to do with the memory of the PSP. In peace walker, all the jungle areas were very small due to the amount of polygons the foliage took up. Notice how this scene is set on an extremely low-poly stage. I reckon each animated vertex takes up a lot of memory.
There goes the Greatest Soldier Who Ever Lived.
00:33 Big Boss holding Venom Snake arm
It was Gálvez's arm
MSF: The First PMC!
Why does MGS: Peace Walker feel like the Ayn Rand of Video Games? :O
okay this has been bugging me for a while what are the yellow markings toward the bottom of his shoulder pads?
Miss this voice !
the speech of big boss is like 1 minute and 30s and is more powerful than 1 hour of a motivational speech or the speech of a political.