He is a medic. And a medic always wanted to help as much people as he can. Except for tf2 medic you know the one who take entire Bone from his patient body.
+mjolnir1208 according to tumblr it was flaming buffalo. I mean..not according to tumblr but they do seem to feel like she is the most important DD operator. ( gee I wonder why)
People bitch about this being Phantom and not the real Boss, and that the real Boss isn't shown as a villain, but to be honest, I think the absence of Boss demonstrates this itself. Phantom is supposed to be a better Big Boss than Boss ever could be. He deserves to be the true Boss, but is in the real ones shadow. That is the true phantom pain.
+DimebagVision Nah man, Venom Snake got more done than Solidus ever did, even as his turn as President of the United States. His part in Shadow Moses blew up in his face, and the whole Big Shell incident failed in spectacular fashion, capped off with being killed by Raiden. Venom Snake put together Diamond Dogs and took down Skull Face and his nonsense scheme, then did the whole Outer Heaven thing years later. If anything, this game showed that Venom Snake is on par with Big Boss, at the least. As for Big Boss's sons, Solid Snake is the best. His triumphs at Outer Heaven, Zanzibarland, and Shadow Moses, his personal decision to fight for a better future between MGS1 and MGS2 (read: character development), and making peace with Big Boss at the end of MGS4 is pretty sound proof.
+lord smidders I totally agree with you.. V is better Big Boss than the real one..He ketp his ideals. Big boss "sold the world" he turn his back on his dead soldiers and founded the patriots with zero.. cipher or whoever he was
***** You don't need to insult me..big boss tell to snake something at the mgs4 epilogue that sounds like he sold the world..big boss became the bad guy..meanwhile V was the good guy..
+Mark9013100 "We'll make diamonds from their ashes..." Mother Base is now in the red "Fuck, Kaz... We'll have to pay for our newest cardboard box with our former allies..."
Regard your soldiers as your children, and they will follow you into the deepest valleys; look upon them as your own beloved sons, and they will stand by you even unto death. Sun Tzu
Eh kind of. I’m a soldier and an NCO. You also have to look at your soldiers as teammates. They’re your peers. They’re autonomous and work best when they’re confident enough to take initiative.
The way kaz is standing there. A shadow of his former self, Legless, armless and pretty much blind. Yet standing there as Proud and straight as any of them. you've got to think about how little muscle there has to be left on his body, without legs and arms to properly keep in shape, yet he's standing there taller than Huey ever would.
+DrIScream Eh, kinda. He really does care for Big Boss either way. Zero also was never a true enemy to Big Boss if you listen to the truth tapes in MGSV. Skullface was not in league with Zero. Skullface actually tried to kill him. Zero was not responsible for the falling of MSF. Kaz is also the one who basically raised Solid Snake.
we r not sure about that! you see we dont know when the last conversation between miller and ocelot happend, so could already know who he really is by this scene.....
The way I see it, Miller already knew and has playing along, but soon began respecting him, as you can see trough out the game, little by little, he sees Venom more and more as the true Big Boss
He knew from the beginning, he saw Big Boss and Venom in the hospital after the crash. Big Boss was in a coma but had his hand. Venom has the shrapnel and a missing hand. Venom saved Miller had a bionic Arm and shrapnel in his head. Miller is A++ on intel, he’s not stupid.
@@duesexmachina6570 Miller and the rest were brainwashed afterwards to believe that Venom truly was the real Big Boss. He may have seen the medic, but for sure him and Ocelot had their memories wiped and Miller was played like a damn fiddle.
What people don't notice, or perhaps don't comment on, is that Venom Snake ALMOST gave him the Sea Burial. He almost cast them away, and then he decided not to. He changed his mind at the last moment, because he didn't want to lose their only and final remnants. Not because he had to, not because he wanted to act like Big Boss, but because he didn't want to lose his men in that final moment; he wanted to keep their memory alive, not only for his men, but also for himself. He chose to keep them rather than to throw him away. That will always speak to who he really is, Big Boss, Medic, or otherwise.
Medic. He is nothing like the real big boss in my opinion. He's better. He's his opposite. Him and Kaz stayed loyal to the men, while ocelot and the real big boss used and betrayed their own soldiers. I've always respected venom more than the real boss.
@@demoneon9527 yeah it does. Thats the only issue I had playing prequel games. You KNOW they are dead. I truly want to know what would have happened if Big boss never pulled the trigger. How much the world would have changed
This mission was the hardest in the game, not because of its difficulty, but because of the emotional baggage of being forced to end your own men as they salute you one last time.
I like how when Venom says "We are Diamond Dogs" the camera pans out to include Ocelot in the shot...but not Huey. As if to foreshadow Venom at Huey's trial when he says "Kaz, you were right, he is not one of us." Brilliantly directed.
+Francesco Favro I think it's actually taken from a number of cultures where rubbing the ashes of the deceased into your skin or face is a way of taking in the sorrow and/or anger of the deceased. It's a declaration of the intent to carry out revenge.
MegaLadysman1234 That actually clears up all my questions, not going to lie. I could never pinpoint why he thought of smearing a soldier's ashes on his face, nor did I bother to look it up.
@@prskt7584 David overdid the snake voice after 2 and showed little emotion with old snake for what its worth Keifer puts more soul in big boss than David ever could in MGS3 and PW
Unpopular opinion but I really like MGSV’s story. There’s just something beautiful about it that I can’t explain whenever I get myself into arguments about why it’s good, guess it’s preference or something.
The avarage fan that cries about game being incomplete and Venom having no personality are the same people who usually stop playing after they take down the sahelanthropus. Even the sidequest with Paz is enough to realize that Ahab is hypnotized to be a remorseless soldier but ends up grieving over what he couldn't save. Big Boss would just move on and keep his bodycount going. Venom's entire personality is one that has been locked away and tries to shine trough the darkness that is the Big Boss's meme. People just can't see that in their 3 hour gameplay so they call Venom out for not having a personality.
LambdaCore I think they were setting up that Eli plot line for metal gear solid six but then the whole Konami stabbing Kojima in the back thing happened
@@buffoonustroglodytus4688 Depends do you believe the theory using the info of big boss being turned into a cyborg post MGS 1 to mean venom 'lived' in some form after that?
@@eduardomagana3858 what do you mean by that? Venom snake is a phantom but barely reacts to anything, even when fire Volgin is trying to burn him alive
+Bjarki Þorleifsson True. David Hayter overplays his dialogues which makes sense when you consider how MGS has always been over the top and on the verge of parody but MGS5 is a game that takes itself a little bit more seriously and for that reason Kiefer Sutherland did a great job on those lines.
+DimebagVision Totally agree with you on Hayter as Snake. I know people love him a lot, though I feel a lot of that is sentimentality. I honestly just can't enjoy Hayter's voice acting because it sounds overdone (in a bad way) to me. On the other hand, Kiefer has that real rich gritty voice that just seems to fit the role of a battle-hardened war veteran.
I played this episode the night when my grandfather died,he was an anti war person and didn’t know the truth till the morning but i knew it when saw him.Such a champ,because he was so childish and welcoming.I cried my ass off and just memories remains,still it’s beautiful.
There are plenty of great scenes in this game despite the weak story and this sums up the most frustrating aspect of this game. The story falls apart and begins to get boring and disjointed (do three missions and just wait for a cutscene to happen with no logical cause, repeat). But then parts of the game such as the quarantine platform, the hospital prologue, and the bloody warehouse full of patients, almost everything Kaz has to say, the end of Quiets storyline, and the end of GZ (if that counts) are all just so well done and memorable. A game getting so much right but then missing the mark in other areas might be more frustrating than a game that just fails across the board.
TPP's story is mostly muddled due to executive fuckery on Konami's part. Game production, a lot like mainstream movie production, is driven by profit, shareholders, and marketing teams. Metal Gear's explosive budget is due to all of the blood and sweat poured into animating, voicing, and writing scenes like this. Had instead Kojima had his way with the story, had profits and sales targets not have been a concern, this is but a small glimpse of what could have always been.
There’s something about the delivery of the line “I won’t see you end as ashes” that deeply affects me. It’s up to us to carry on the legacy of the friends we lose. To keep them with us for the rest of our days despite them not being here anymore.
It only gets worse when you realize Venom was actually a Medic whom only wishes to save and stabilize lives. I can't imagine how helpless he'd be feeling and for anyone who's in the Medical field,It's literally the worst kind feeling Circumstances really did made it impossible for him :(
Big Boss: Used Venom as a tool despite being used as one himself. Venom: Never used his men as tools and did things himself without ever asking for more. Eva: Manipulative and in service of a greater agenda. Quiet: Was true to you to the end and gave everything up for you, and never lied to you. Knowing these things, every counter argument rings hollow to me. I love both Venom and Quiet for what they did.
Xx Lone Wolf 88 11 xX are you fucking dumb? the reason why quiet attack the solider is he was infected the FUCKING parasite,how is that not try to warn them? On top of that,SHE CANT SPEAK THE FUCKING LANGUAGE.parasite remember? and the reason why she wont take the treatment is the parasite is THE ONLY REASON she was still alive,the burn in the opening scene destroyed her lungs,she NEED the parasite in order to survive,to let the parasite act as her skin to breathe.
Uh, the vocal cord parasite is an entirely different strain from the parasites keeping her alive, the one that covers. The wolbachia treatment was to deal with VCP specifically. I agree with the rest however.
@@Rad-Dude63andathird and big boss didn't try to stop him and in the end (mission 46) he only sends him a fucking cassette tape. He didn't even meet venom to thank him.
Kiefer's voice matched so well with the image of Big Boss, even if you did not know all the legend behind the guy, just by looking at the character and hearing his voice is enough for you to see this huge presence that exales discipline, righteousness and pride.
+CF-105 Games It's a different person, David Hayter IS the voice of Solid Snake and Naked Snake, but Venom is a different character, so it makes perfect sense that he'd be voiced by someone else.
@@CerealKiller the story was there and there were plenty of casettes. The story is complex enough but with less cutscenes than what we were used to. And it is not unfinished lol the boss arc is finished, just the ending for elli ismissing and its not a great deal.
This is my first metal gear game but I thought the story was great even if it "fell flat and uncompleted". As a new player all these interesting characters had me guessing who they were and what was going to happen. The phantom pain was one of the best games ive played. I loved each cutscene and getting them was a treat because most of the characters were quick to like. The story about war, disease, child soldiers, revenge, and everything was really dark and the detail into the character's backstories through tapes made it even better.
When Metal Gear 1 gets remade, theres going to be alot of grown men crying because you have to kill Venom Snake, and its definitely going to have a cutscene
I feel what made this scene for me was the sniffle in between "I won't see you end as ashes" and "You're all diamonds." It is such a small thing but it made me just want to believe in Venom as this man who honestly treats all his comrades as true family.
I personally found the game quite frustrating. Never finished it cause I thought it was too ridiculous. Plot was so complicated I felt like I needed a PHD in just about every subject to even understand a quarter of it. All this talk of clones and multiple people who are the same person but aren't actually the same person? I was more lost than Matt Damon on Mars. Gameplay was so overly complicated I was having a hard time trying to figure out what I had to do next. I didn't like that I had to balance an ever dismishing resource that was spent upon every action I did. Sorting people into specific roles is fine but ti was detail oriented I just got annoyed with it. Also, for a guy who is supposed to be stealthy, why does he make so much noise?
@@HybridSpektar I'm guessing V was your first game? MGS is a large series driven mainly by the story with a distinct play style which changes over the course of the series. V is actually one of the weakest in story (though I believe it has really grown on the fandom after replaying and understanding it more.) But I wouldn't say it's the best introduction to the series since it's right in the middle of the timeline as it ties up a lot of loose ends. MGS 1 or MGS 3 would ease someone into the lore and game play better as 3 is the first chronologically and 1 is the first 'game' game. (Not counting Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake)
Shout out to my stepdad, Doug, for playing through a good chunk of this game. I know I made fun of you for stupid shit like how you had to wear the chicken hat, but I’m glad you wanted to learn about something I was so hyper fixated on. Rest In Peace man. You’ll always be a diamond dog.
Venom Snake was the best Big Boss. Awful pacing and disjointed-ness aside, look at his entire existence in MGSV. Every decision Venom Snake ever made was to save people. I think it is evident that he had his own personality and morals despite being hypnotized into Big Boss. Big Boss, Huey, the kids, Quiet, DD, the fact that the demon meter is highly dependent on killing people instead of knocking out/fultoning. The Paz cutscenes make it obvious that somewhere deep down, Medic is haunted by not being able to save Paz. The ending is the ultimate conflict for Venom Snake, because in order to save the rest of Motherbase, he has to kill his own men. Venom Snake tried to save everyone, even if it ultimately leads to his destruction. He was introduced to us showing that he was willing to do it in the most literal sense.
Very good summary of his character. Venom is a fascinating character, and an underappreciated one I'd say. Some people think he's just a random medic or that he just represents the player (that's partially true, more on that in a minute), and even though we don't know much about his past except that he was the best and most trusted soldier Big Boss had on his side, his tragic story in MGSV (and later MG, I guess) was gripping. He has a very distinctive personality (for example he's willing to forgive and tries to avoid violence, as we see mostly in the second chapter of the game), though his character development is mostly subtle (that's why he speaks through actions, which I preferred compared to long expositions. Body language and subtle expressions also play a bigger role in this game). All of his decisions are justified once you understand that he was a brainwashed man who tried to act the way he thought Big Boss would act, after he was given his role. Thus, he ended up being a better version of Big Boss and a contrast to him, by trying to emulate his persona, and that way Kojima was able to explore two characters at once. That doesn't mean that Venom's perfect of course. The way he intended to treat the child soldiers was... morally corrupt. During scenes like the one I just mentioned we can see the tear between his real self, and the one of a war monger that he was forced to be (not to mention the optional stuff like the construction of nukes or the combat deployment missions, through which you can basically risk the lives of your soldiers in order to gather materials, money etc with the press of a button, a simple order. Shady stuff, I prefer saving animals). Now, about the twist that you're not Big Boss, but you're... you, more or less, I loved it. I like it when games tell a story by taking advantage of the medium's capabilities, and MGSV is a good example. I don't know why the general consensus is that Kojima gave us a pat in the back during the true ending, he actually showed us indirectly how Big Boss became an utter piece of shit (which is what people wanted from V, cause apparently they didn't get it with MGS3 and especially Peace Walker) by revealing that he exploited us throughout the whole game and took credit for everything we did, while we got erased from history. We became a proxy. Not to mention that Big Boss treated Venom the way The Boss got treated, and not just the way he himself got treated by the US. It was his ultimate downfall and after this his MG2:SS speech made total sense. Also, it's an inversion of MGS2's ending, with Venom's identity being taken away from him forever, while Raiden was encouraged to find a new one, and stop being a pretender. edit: Made some edits to make my point a bit clearer. Sorry for the long ass comment. edit 2: It's pretty important that Venom is a medic and not a "regular" soldier, as stated by others. Once you know that, the Paz side quest makes way more sense. There's a sense of a repressed, burdening psychological trauma, and regret. Then, there's the quarantine stuff, that's even worse. It's sad that most players didn't appreciate the more subtle storytelling, thus claiming that "there's no story" in MGSV. My belief is that they got used to most things being explained and felt alienated (which isn't good, because there's a lot to unpack in every mainline entry, especially on a meta-narrative level. Even in the messy, overexplanatory MGS4).
People are really bitter about MGSV, but there are some scenes, such as this one, and the Paz hallucinations, that make up for all the bad stuff, i've never felt so emotional toward a game as i have watching these scenes, and because of that i hold MGSV in very high regard.
Right as the seagulls started chirping up again, Venom Snake began to pull back. It was a signal that beckoned out to him that the sea was uncaring for the plights of the men that once were, and that they deserved a better fate after life than to be mere particles drifting along the bottom of the ocean floor. That is why he pulled back. As others have said, the direction of this painful yet uplifting scene is absolutely excellent. The pain in Venom's voice is so very real. Right when he says "I won't scatter your sorrow to the heartless sea", you can feel his anguish as his voice fades near the end of the sentence. The way his voice remains hushed until he turns around to answer Miller. He was not talking to anyone behind him, only to the remnants of his former men. Even in death, the bond can be felt. The way he motions to kiss the air, as if to finally say goodbye to the spirit. The subliminal messaging throughout is top notch, and is even reinforced later, what with Huey later being cast out to that same vast sea, as well as the camera not including Huey in the final pan away shot, suggesting subtly that he is not worthy of being a true comrade. I adore this scene. It's so good. It can still make me cry all this time later. It is artistry at work.
If someone would tell me year ago, that my favorite characte from the entire series will some random medic, I would laugh him off. Now I stand here and salute you Venom!
Paramedic is Snake's strongest soldier, the most loyal and bravest of all. That's the reason why Snake and Ocelot chose him to become Venom. He's devoted to Snake since PW and even after knowing the truth in TPP ending.
exactly...Hideo Kojima wanted to make the story like RDR2's Arthur Morgan but sadly couldnot because of Konami. On the other hand Rockstar managed to do it with new character Arthur Morgan in RDR2. If Konami give time to Kojima, Phantom Pain would become a masterpiece
"When you pick up a gun there's always a chance you'll die for nothing. He knew that as well as the rest. Now that he's gone, it's up to us to decide what it was all worth" - Venom Snake
Get new staff members? You should be encountering more soldiers that are at least A rank in one field after the mission that leads to this cutscene anyway. It's been a while since I played the game. About 2 years, I think.
Something I just realized here... that I knew didn't sit right the first time when I didn't know this wasn't Big Boss... was how unlike Jack he acted here. This isn't something Big Boss would do. It's out of character. And that's because it's not him. This is Venom, his own person. A once medic who was one of the many faces of the expendable MSF soldiers. The irony of Big Boss is that he wanted a place unlike Gene's "Army's Heaven"; "a place not of soldiers, but for them" "somewhere outside your heaven". And here he is, abandoning them like they're nothing. What was felt here was Venom feeling the pain of his comrades because he is one of them, although he may not consciously know that since he's been hypotherapied. It's a more pure scene where he's just you, the player, a medic, an anyone of the bunch... One day I want to do a full case study on this game. Say what you will about MGSV, I feel like the more I look back on it, the more there is to unpack. It might not be appreciated in this time. But in years, this will be a game that was Kojima's finest and most fitting ways of dropping the mic with Konami and a swan song to an incredible saga. There's more than meets the eye with this game, and there's so much depth to it despite popular opinion. I hold it in highest regards next to MGS3/PW, and that's saying something for me as a long time fan. I respect Kojima's decisions in this game. In the words of Big Boss, "as long as the times refuse to change, we're going to make a hell of a racket". "Will the times erase us, or work with us?"
I strongly recommend you to read Amy M. Green's book "Posttraumatic Stress Disorder, Trauma, and History in Metal Gear Solid V" It's a great read on both MGSV and ground zeroes
I honestly have to resist the urge to say that Big Boss abandoned them, big boss was simply traveling to create the perfect world for soldiers to live in. If you listen to the audio logs when he is first woken up in the hospital before Venom, he is very reluctant to go through with this plan to have Venom impersonate him while he leaves. But he knew it was necessary in order to take the proper steps towards creating Outer Heaven.
It's hard to tell. Jack may have been flippant throughout mgs3 and portable ops, he always seemed to have a high respect and regard for MSF during peace walker. The incident that transpired during ground zeroes would be a little heavy: a false inspection leads to the sinking of motherbase, the murder of almost all his soldiers, watching paz explode in her freefall? When you consider it in it's full context, he really didn't abandon much of anything. It was taken from him. In starting over, he put running outer heaven as his priority yes, but left setting up the public eye of big boss through diamond dogs in the hands of what people he knew he could trust to pull through: Miller, Ocelot, and one of the only surviving soldiers of MSF in the medic. A man he trusted enough to be him. While venom's actions with this are absolutely all his own, I wouldn't discount big boss to not have honored the fallen in some way as well.
Indeed. People complain about David not doing the voice over in V, but I just can't see him pulling off the dialogue like Kiefer did. That's not to say David is bad. He's great, but it just wasn't his style. The decision to get Keifer was perfect in my book. I just wish he had more lines..
naked snake killed his mother figure for his country venom snake killed his brothers in arms for his country (outer heaven) I guess this scene was supposed to imply he truly became big boss or something like that
I don't believe I've ever hated and NPC more than Huey Emmerich. Phantom Boss is more merciful than I would have been. I wish there was an option to kill him during the trial... easy choice for me.
Thinking of this in a purely logical way can you imagine how surreal it is? Like imagine you're some grunt soldier at the back and you hear Big Boss muttering something about the heartless sea before tasting your buddy's ashes like icing sugar and then smearing it all over his face before announcing that he's turning them into diamonds...
Everytime a video like this pops up in my feed, I just spend hours and hours reading the comments, always looking for heartfelt and interesting things people say. It's only with MGS I do this with, no other Game franchise has made me do things like this. It's magical almost.
PickledCarrots PickledCarrots Probably not. But when Hal tells the story of how Huey committed suicide because he caught Hal with his wife, all I can think now is: "Good. Couldn't have happened to a better piece of shit. And he tried to take an innocent child with him. How fucking typically cowardly of him."
To all those who despise the ending and the fact that this isn't even the real, legendary, Big Boss. this dude here, the Phantom is the Big Boss we all wanted and deserved. a leader, proudly posing as both the gun and the shield on behalf of all his comrades and one that doesn't simply let their memory fade into the ocean. what we learn here is that there always will be something better. that when we make a choice, we can always choose to be a better or worse version of ourselves. the real Big Boss made his choice alright: to abandon his comrades in order to protect his head. this is what would have become of him if he hadn't done so, if he had the courage to face the world and fight not for his ambition but for the sake of his comrades, both the ones lost in the Caribbean, the ones lost here in the Seychelles and the ones that still remained and carried his Phantom Pain with him. Venom Snake is, to me, the real Big Boss. the Boss that, in the end, didn't get disillusioned and tyrranical, the Boss that wanted to live like a free man, the man who left his mark upon the world. not the man who sold it.
OoJoshioO Venom Snake died a proud man at least. despite the fact that he never saw himself as the hero he truly was, but as a demon brought back from hell.
I agree. I was initially upset we weren't playing the real Big Boss...But now to me, Venom is Big Boss. A better Big Boss than Naked Snake ever was. He has a compassion about him that Naked Snake just really doesn't. Venom is my favorite MGS character.
V Not only that but I just love the ending because of how Kojima made the players part of the legacy of the entire series. Venom Snake is us and we helped create this legacy, I mean BB even tells you that. In a very cool and Kojima way, he literally made it so that players were responsible for crafting the MGS series.
Well without spoiling too much, he keeps lying and contradicting himself - also he's a douchebag that ruins some scenes when he pulls a trigger on someone or a bit before this scene where he suddenly charges in and go "how could you do that! they were your men!", like eff off they were dying anyways and we later find out it's your fault! Douchebag.
To be fair Huey's presence is supposed to be the inbetween but not quite the same as Ocelot and Kaz. So in this case, Huey wanted to try to keep them quarantined and try to cure them.
I actually cried as I had to shoot the people in that room, as they salute you. I mean, I remembered people that I extracted, where I found them... The ending did feel abrupt, but when it hit me, it left a damnably clean mark.
+HollowGaming The boss will know what to do, Tell us boss what to do. I wanted at least one to survive and then to have that torn away felt like shit man.
+drago2021 "We live and die by your order, Boss!" That cut me deep. Here are people who joined the military in hopes of joining the ranks of the legendary Big Boss. They dreamed of serving under you. And you _had_ to murder them.
+drago2021 i damn need a video of this moment.... all video i could find people jsut stupidly shoot like fucking asshole =..= i like leastenned to this for 5-10 minute XD
Yesterday, my friend Clive passed away. He was the one who was there for me. We played hours and hours of games, and called on discord for several nights a week. I'm really lost for words right now and don't know what to do. Rest easy, Clive.
There's so much great stuff in this scene. Like how since Venom Snake's brain-damage makes him sometimes visually unable to distinguish between white and red, the white ash on his face would be, to him, difficult to tell from the blood he had on his face after shooting those dudes, paralleling his own conflicted feelings of guilt over doing what had to be done to save potentially thousands of lives. And there's the gentleness in the mocap performance, after pulling back the container of ashes. It's great. And I just realized, the white ash on Big Boss' face contrasts the black domino mask (and parasite-caused discoloration) on Skull Face.
You know, I've been going back and replaying this game, and when you look deeper into it, the story is actually very very good, even though I think it isn't the best presenting them in cassette tapes, what's there is amazingly interesting
Fans don't like it because the tapes are a compromise, Kojima wanted a far longer game but the funding needed wasn't permitted by Konami. Just look at the bonus footage of Sahelanthropus on the island.
This was the best scene in the game. It's crazy how much these soldiers honor Big Boss. When they salute you, you can hear them humming the Peace Walker theme as it plays on the radio in the room.. crazy.
I like that after this scene, in Huey's trial, snake decides that the most ideal way of punishment was to throw Huey in the heartless sea.
And then Huey throws himself to the heartless swimming pool.
@@Jonatron101 gottem
@@Jonatron101omg 🤣
He's not one of the Diamond Dogs after all.
@@Jonatron101 OOf. I would feel bad for him seeing his son have an affair with his new wife, except that he suffocated his ex wife inside a pod;
Sure, when Big Boss does it it's fine, but when I do it at grandpa's funeral the police get called.
The police work for cipher...
I knew it all along
@@chaironathursday59knuckles54 damn！ We have to go deeper.
Why would you try to do that?
@@tfwthelsdkicksin6083 because we're all grandpas
Jarod Iking lmao
"Plant your roots in me."
*he then begins to shovel mounds and mounds of ashes into his mouth, going from jar to jar. No one stops him.*
The worst part, its that i think he was gonna do that in the first place hahaha
@@remels459 It wouldn't surprise me with metal gear, it might give him superpowers or something
Omg I lost it when I read this xD
You ruined this scene for me HAHAHAHA...glorious xD
Reminds me of that lady on Strange Addiction. Theres a compound in cremated ashes that can cause chemically induced psychosis lol
Venom Snake had his memories changed to forget who he was, but his personality remains the same. He only cared about saving everyone.
He is a medic. And a medic always wanted to help as much people as he can. Except for tf2 medic you know the one who take entire Bone from his patient body.
I mean... he was a medic...
@@jack_hunt1103 LMAO
@@jack_hunt1103 Another Successful procedure
@@jack_hunt1103 hey, leave him alone. He did loose his medical license
Gotta wonder who was lucky enough to be in that first urn. "It's an honor getting smeared on your face, sir!"
Probs hideo
+mjolnir1208 You can bet the morale of that ash just went up the roof.
+mjolnir1208 according to tumblr it was flaming buffalo. I mean..not according to tumblr but they do seem to feel like she is the most important DD operator. ( gee I wonder why)
joe saunders>joe goes to Tumblr
>lost respect for joe
Jokes aside, those tumblrinas are insane.
+joe saunders
I get what you're saying, but to be fair, Flaming Buffalo IS your first real S rank
People bitch about this being Phantom and not the real Boss, and that the real Boss isn't shown as a villain, but to be honest, I think the absence of Boss demonstrates this itself. Phantom is supposed to be a better Big Boss than Boss ever could be. He deserves to be the true Boss, but is in the real ones shadow. That is the true phantom pain.
+DimebagVision
Nah man, Venom Snake got more done than Solidus ever did, even as his turn as President of the United States. His part in Shadow Moses blew up in his face, and the whole Big Shell incident failed in spectacular fashion, capped off with being killed by Raiden. Venom Snake put together Diamond Dogs and took down Skull Face and his nonsense scheme, then did the whole Outer Heaven thing years later.
If anything, this game showed that Venom Snake is on par with Big Boss, at the least. As for Big Boss's sons, Solid Snake is the best. His triumphs at Outer Heaven, Zanzibarland, and Shadow Moses, his personal decision to fight for a better future between MGS1 and MGS2 (read: character development), and making peace with Big Boss at the end of MGS4 is pretty sound proof.
*****
I never said this was good writing. Now you're just salty.
+lord smidders I totally agree with you.. V is better Big Boss than the real one..He ketp his ideals. Big boss "sold the world" he turn his back on his dead soldiers and founded the patriots with zero.. cipher or whoever he was
***** You don't need to insult me..big boss tell to snake something at the mgs4 epilogue that sounds like he sold the world..big boss became the bad guy..meanwhile V was the good guy..
*****
The salt is too real.
Snake only had about 5 lines of dialogue in this game but goddamn Kiefer Sutherland was perfect for an aging Big Boss.
He had alot more than that, check the tapes for more dialogue.
@@Jarock316 Nope
@@Jarock316 Okay so maybe he had about 10.
@@heavyfromteamfortress2814 Why so lazy?
@@heavyfromteamfortress2814 why? You're missing a lot if the game.
“I won’t scatter your sorrow to the heartless sea”
*Takes a shower*
"You stink boss"
@@ilikepigeons6101
*take a shower with Quiet*
@@landonricketts7140
*take shower with ocelot*
@@ilikepigeons6101
*take shower with miller and ocelot*
@@chroma8029 now we're talking
"We'll make diamonds from their ashes... carry them into battle with us."
GMP is now in the red.
"Well fuck, Kaz, get the diamonds."
+Mark9013100 Dammit.
+Mark9013100 I LOL'd.
+Mark9013100 "We'll make diamonds from their ashes..."
Mother Base is now in the red
"Fuck, Kaz... We'll have to pay for our newest cardboard box with our former allies..."
+Yano Duelist "But Boss... you can't do-"
"Kaz, I'm already a Demon."
*****
*Sins of the Father starts playing in the background :-D :-D
And then those diamonds were used to fund Kaz's hamburger research.
Nocturnus Schwartstein I'd never sell my family to make burgers. But, surely Kaz has me covered.
Oh god!!I'm dead
Which went to Paunch Burger in parks and rec!
That mercenary heaven embezzlement is too real
If Kaz used my body to make the Ultimate Burger I won't be mad in fact I would be proud.
soldier: "B-but sir, Im already full..."
venom: "EAT THE ASHES. DONT SCATTER HIS SORROW"
Bruh this is a fucking sad and meaningful scene, and you just made me burst out laughing
I was thinking something like that as well. That's a lot of ashes to cover yourself in. Lol.
Shit out the sorrows
Venom: *throws solider and breaks his neck*
Soldier (with his dying breath): "t-thanks b-boss"
Ocelot: "what was that, some kind of judo??"
@@guts-141 😂😂
Regard your soldiers as your children, and they will follow you into the deepest valleys; look upon them as your own beloved sons, and they will stand by you even unto death.
Sun Tzu
Eh kind of.
I’m a soldier and an NCO. You also have to look at your soldiers as teammates. They’re your peers. They’re autonomous and work best when they’re confident enough to take initiative.
@MonkeyMuchacho
Autonomy is the ability to make your own decisions.
view them as your sons who have grown into adults.
Words of the wise.. and of the warfighting.
HEAD ON NOOOOOOORTH!!!!!
When I saw the little diamond gleaming on Venom's sleeve after this scene, I did shed a single tear.
A manly tear, like those shed watching Fist of the north star
Word.
I had a combat unit I loved I had to kill him for this mission i shed a tear too
And then the whole base clapped
why are u gae
The way kaz is standing there. A shadow of his former self, Legless, armless and pretty much blind. Yet standing there as Proud and straight as any of them. you've got to think about how little muscle there has to be left on his body, without legs and arms to properly keep in shape, yet he's standing there taller than Huey ever would.
+DrIScream Eh, kinda. He really does care for Big Boss either way. Zero also was never a true enemy to Big Boss if you listen to the truth tapes in MGSV. Skullface was not in league with Zero. Skullface actually tried to kill him. Zero was not responsible for the falling of MSF. Kaz is also the one who basically raised Solid Snake.
hes not blind ill just say that
+Chrissaful I didn't think Kaz is blind though. I think he has Catalact or something similar so he needs to wear sunglasses even at night and indoors.
Chrissaful This comment is beautiful...
Chrissaful the best comment here
MIller gained a new heightened respect for the man he thought was "Big boss" only to find out it wasn't even really him. Poor MIller....
we r not sure about that!
you see we dont know when the last conversation between miller and ocelot happend, so could already know who he really is by this scene.....
The way I see it, Miller already knew and has playing along, but soon began respecting him, as you can see trough out the game, little by little, he sees Venom more and more as the true Big Boss
He knew from the beginning, he saw Big Boss and Venom in the hospital after the crash. Big Boss was in a coma but had his hand. Venom has the shrapnel and a missing hand. Venom saved Miller had a bionic Arm and shrapnel in his head. Miller is A++ on intel, he’s not stupid.
@@duesexmachina6570 miller didnt know until the blue butterfly cutscene
@@duesexmachina6570 Miller and the rest were brainwashed afterwards to believe that Venom truly was the real Big Boss. He may have seen the medic, but for sure him and Ocelot had their memories wiped and Miller was played like a damn fiddle.
What people don't notice, or perhaps don't comment on, is that Venom Snake ALMOST gave him the Sea Burial. He almost cast them away, and then he decided not to. He changed his mind at the last moment, because he didn't want to lose their only and final remnants. Not because he had to, not because he wanted to act like Big Boss, but because he didn't want to lose his men in that final moment; he wanted to keep their memory alive, not only for his men, but also for himself. He chose to keep them rather than to throw him away. That will always speak to who he really is, Big Boss, Medic, or otherwise.
Medic. He is nothing like the real big boss in my opinion. He's better. He's his opposite. Him and Kaz stayed loyal to the men, while ocelot and the real big boss used and betrayed their own soldiers. I've always respected venom more than the real boss.
@@JGAS1 you Nailed it man !
This scene reaffirms my belief that Venom was a better Big Boss than the original. The only angel leading a heaven of demons
Jose Rivera AND THEN THEY KILLED HIM OFF. FUCK.
@@demoneon9527 tbf it was on the first game. I doubt they planned that far ahead, that big boss was just a final boss back then.
Murillo Ferreira i know, I know. But still, doesn’t it grind your gears a bit knowing he’s dead?
@@demoneon9527 yeah it does. Thats the only issue I had playing prequel games. You KNOW they are dead. I truly want to know what would have happened if Big boss never pulled the trigger. How much the world would have changed
Venom IS the one and ONLY BIG BOSS
"Will make protein shakes from their ashes...take them to breakfast with us"
"..... A well-balanced substitute to our sugary pastries."
ParkinsandLynch
“I want some more!”
"We are all PUMPING DOGS!!!"
That's kinda fucked up, but I'm not complaining
@@nmelody4414 Huh, no wonder the protein powder i bought from them taste like granpa
"You're all diamonds"
-Venom "Punished" Snake,The True Big Boss
Thanks :)
@@HydraDominatus420
Thanks for that Boss
nah, not the true, he was a cheap knockoff
@@thehater6844 at least venom didn’t hide for so many years then come back just for a monologue then die
@@thehater6844 a cheap knockoff that is better than the original
This mission was the hardest in the game, not because of its difficulty, but because of the emotional baggage of being forced to end your own men as they salute you one last time.
I like how when Venom says "We are Diamond Dogs" the camera pans out to include Ocelot in the shot...but not Huey. As if to foreshadow Venom at Huey's trial when he says "Kaz, you were right, he is not one of us." Brilliantly directed.
Actually this is repeated in different scenes of the game
Well now its 2018 and theres the venom movie : D
"We are venom"
Petition to make minecraft into an actual series
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@@IsandJako its 2022 and there is venom 2 now lmao time flies so fast man😃🤣😅
you can clearly picture the moment when he decided "fuck it, i'll just smear the guy on my face"
+Francesco Favro I think it's actually taken from a number of cultures where rubbing the ashes of the deceased into your skin or face is a way of taking in the sorrow and/or anger of the deceased. It's a declaration of the intent to carry out revenge.
MegaLadysman1234 That actually clears up all my questions, not going to lie. I could never pinpoint why he thought of smearing a soldier's ashes on his face, nor did I bother to look it up.
He’s absorbing that S++ rank development skill
And at this moment, Keifer solidified himself as worthy of succeeding David.
"Kept you waiting, huh?"
I just wish he had more lines.
not really, but everyone's entitled to an opinion....even if it's wrong.
@@prskt7584 David overdid the snake voice after 2 and showed little emotion with old snake for what its worth Keifer puts more soul in big boss than David ever could in MGS3 and PW
@@given_light2012 I'll just repeat myself:
"not really, but everyone's entitled to an opinion....even if it's wrong."
And you are wrong.
Unpopular opinion but I really like MGSV’s story. There’s just something beautiful about it that I can’t explain whenever I get myself into arguments about why it’s good, guess it’s preference or something.
Me too
same
It's a great game. It's the snowflake fanboys that hate this game.
The avarage fan that cries about game being incomplete and Venom having no personality are the same people who usually stop playing after they take down the sahelanthropus.
Even the sidequest with Paz is enough to realize that Ahab is hypnotized to be a remorseless soldier but ends up grieving over what he couldn't save. Big Boss would just move on and keep his bodycount going.
Venom's entire personality is one that has been locked away and tries to shine trough the darkness that is the Big Boss's meme. People just can't see that in their 3 hour gameplay so they call Venom out for not having a personality.
LambdaCore I think they were setting up that Eli plot line for metal gear solid six but then the whole Konami stabbing Kojima in the back thing happened
aso i love kaz reaction: at first he's confused, and then he's all like "that's fuckin rad, boss!"
I asked him why... he said quiet made him do it. I don't believe him
Jack Cooper hey .. i feel like you're famous but I'm not sure why ? Care to remind me ?
Venom really was one the saddest characters in mgs history
He only tried to do good but got shit on by everyone, used and eventually disposed of.
I think he is the best ...
@@buffoonustroglodytus4688 Depends do you believe the theory using the info of big boss being turned into a cyborg post MGS 1 to mean venom 'lived' in some form after that?
@@sithmaster4305 he died in outer heaven bro solid snake killed him :(
One of the saddest fictional characters in general
For when people say that Venom Snake has no personality.
My problem isnt that. It's just that he rarely displays emotions
@@ilikepigeons6101 he's a Phantom.
@@eduardomagana3858 yeah and?
@@ilikepigeons6101 Phantoms don't display emotions.
@@eduardomagana3858 what do you mean by that? Venom snake is a phantom but barely reacts to anything, even when fire Volgin is trying to burn him alive
Huey: “I’m on your side!”
*continues to sabotage Diamond Dogs in everything they do until Boss has to kick his ass out to sea*
This scene. This fucking scene. Scenes such as this are what really makes me love the MGS saga, and Kiefer did an absolutely amazing job here.
+Bjarki Þorleifsson True. David Hayter overplays his dialogues which makes sense when you consider how MGS has always been over the top and on the verge of parody but MGS5 is a game that takes itself a little bit more seriously and for that reason Kiefer Sutherland did a great job on those lines.
Ah I respectufly disagree. I recently replayed the all series and I don't find his acting that great even in the first episodes.
+DimebagVision Totally agree with you on Hayter as Snake. I know people love him a lot, though I feel a lot of that is sentimentality. I honestly just can't enjoy Hayter's voice acting because it sounds overdone (in a bad way) to me. On the other hand, Kiefer has that real rich gritty voice that just seems to fit the role of a battle-hardened war veteran.
Damn straight
+GoldenDarkGames (Rarity) Yeah it would be sooo much better if he talked like a fucking saturday morning cartoon character.
That camo isn't very effective Jack.
I lol'd so hard to your comment
Ayyy lmao
+The Boss But... You're dead! You're nothing more than an AI now!
Venom Snake That's what you think you medic!
The Boss What do you mean?
How can a scene be so emotional and weird at the same time.
@Rafael Alódio welcome to the brain of Kojima
I played this episode the night when my grandfather died,he was an anti war person and didn’t know the truth till the morning but i knew it when saw him.Such a champ,because he was so childish and welcoming.I cried my ass off and just memories remains,still it’s beautiful.
May your grandfather Rest In Peace. A true Diamond I’m sure 💎
Your grandpa was a diamond
I love this community. :)
Say whatever you want about the quality of Phantom Pain's story, this scene is just devastating
they'll burn me for this, but I cried almost as much as in the death of The Boss
Ehi don't blame yourself, I think that this cutscene can be considered without exaggeration even the most powerful of the entire saga!
There are plenty of great scenes in this game despite the weak story and this sums up the most frustrating aspect of this game. The story falls apart and begins to get boring and disjointed (do three missions and just wait for a cutscene to happen with no logical cause, repeat). But then parts of the game such as the quarantine platform, the hospital prologue, and the bloody warehouse full of patients, almost everything Kaz has to say, the end of Quiets storyline, and the end of GZ (if that counts) are all just so well done and memorable. A game getting so much right but then missing the mark in other areas might be more frustrating than a game that just fails across the board.
TPP's story is mostly muddled due to executive fuckery on Konami's part. Game production, a lot like mainstream movie production, is driven by profit, shareholders, and marketing teams.
Metal Gear's explosive budget is due to all of the blood and sweat poured into animating, voicing, and writing scenes like this.
Had instead Kojima had his way with the story, had profits and sales targets not have been a concern, this is but a small glimpse of what could have always been.
+Hudy “Dread of the Preds” Jopps i liked mgsv story i prefer that than play ride to hell retribution and yes i play al the preview games
That mission gave me PTSD.
Understandable
I'm still crying
Yeah, i still try to avoid this one, and the final mission with Quiet.
Csúb - Az Űrmedve yeah just remembering that mission just makes me sad.
@RadTheLad Yeah i know we can keep her, but it's still a pinch in my heart everytime. But thank you.
There’s something about the delivery of the line “I won’t see you end as ashes” that deeply affects me.
It’s up to us to carry on the legacy of the friends we lose. To keep them with us for the rest of our days despite them not being here anymore.
It only gets worse when you realize Venom was actually a Medic whom only wishes to save and stabilize lives.
I can't imagine how helpless he'd be feeling and for anyone who's in the Medical field,It's literally the worst kind feeling
Circumstances really did made it impossible for him :(
Big Boss: Used Venom as a tool despite being used as one himself.
Venom: Never used his men as tools and did things himself without ever asking for more.
Eva: Manipulative and in service of a greater agenda.
Quiet: Was true to you to the end and gave everything up for you, and never lied to you.
Knowing these things, every counter argument rings hollow to me. I love both Venom and Quiet for what they did.
Xx Lone Wolf 88 11 xX are you fucking dumb? the reason why quiet attack the solider is he was infected the FUCKING parasite,how is that not try to warn them? On top of that,SHE CANT SPEAK THE FUCKING LANGUAGE.parasite remember?
and the reason why she wont take the treatment is the parasite is THE ONLY REASON she was still alive,the burn in the opening scene destroyed her lungs,she NEED the parasite in order to survive,to let the parasite act as her skin to breathe.
Uh, the vocal cord parasite is an entirely different strain from the parasites keeping her alive, the one that covers. The wolbachia treatment was to deal with VCP specifically. I agree with the rest however.
The phantom was Zero and ocelot's idea
Big Boss didn't use Venom. Did you even listen to the tapes? Zero's the guy behind that.
@@Rad-Dude63andathird and big boss didn't try to stop him and in the end (mission 46) he only sends him a fucking cassette tape. He didn't even meet venom to thank him.
The emotion conveyed through Snake's voice shows how great Sutherland is for the role.
and still there are people bitching how flat sutherland voice acting venom.
Solid Snake, Naked Snake = Hayter
"Naked Snake" (Venom Snake) = Sutherland
or simply
snake:hayter
big boss:sutherland
i think people are bitching about how few his lines are.
@Comrade, Venom Snake died being lit on fire.
Bro this scene had me saluting snake like a DD soldier 💀💀💀💀💀
Shutup pubgmobile
"I won't see you end as ashes... You're all diamonds"
This line made me cry like no game ever did
Kiefer's voice matched so well with the image of Big Boss, even if you did not know all the legend behind the guy, just by looking at the character and hearing his voice is enough for you to see this huge presence that exales discipline, righteousness and pride.
+Fernando Silva
Hayter's voice sounds better and fits better.
+CF-105 Games no, it's Venom snake bro
juaneer
Um, I know, what's your point?
+CF-105 Games It's a different person, David Hayter IS the voice of Solid Snake and Naked Snake, but Venom is a different character, so it makes perfect sense that he'd be voiced by someone else.
juaneer
Yet Big Boss is now voiced by Keifer Sutherland as well. As proven in Ground Zeroes and in Phantom Pain (Ishmael)
Even if you're one of those people that hated MGSV, you gotta admit this is a great scene.
Hated what ? the story ? because the gameplay was by far the best in the series.
@@CerealKiller the story was there and there were plenty of casettes. The story is complex enough but with less cutscenes than what we were used to. And it is not unfinished lol the boss arc is finished, just the ending for elli ismissing and its not a great deal.
@@CerealKiller i have no idea why people say there's no story. there clearly is and it's pretty easy to follow
This is my first metal gear game but I thought the story was great even if it "fell flat and uncompleted". As a new player all these interesting characters had me guessing who they were and what was going to happen. The phantom pain was one of the best games ive played. I loved each cutscene and getting them was a treat because most of the characters were quick to like. The story about war, disease, child soldiers, revenge, and everything was really dark and the detail into the character's backstories through tapes made it even better.
I do
When Metal Gear 1 gets remade, theres going to be alot of grown men crying because you have to kill Venom Snake, and its definitely going to have a cutscene
“Why are we still here? Just to suffer? And every night i can feel my arm and legs. The comrads i’ve lost.”
-Kazuhira Miller
I feel what made this scene for me was the sniffle in between "I won't see you end as ashes" and "You're all diamonds." It is such a small thing but it made me just want to believe in Venom as this man who honestly treats all his comrades as true family.
This game is a masterpiece. Incomplete as MGSV may be due to Konami's incompetence, Kojima crafted a game I will never forget.
The best MGS ever made
I personally found the game quite frustrating. Never finished it cause I thought it was too ridiculous. Plot was so complicated I felt like I needed a PHD in just about every subject to even understand a quarter of it. All this talk of clones and multiple people who are the same person but aren't actually the same person? I was more lost than Matt Damon on Mars.
Gameplay was so overly complicated I was having a hard time trying to figure out what I had to do next.
I didn't like that I had to balance an ever dismishing resource that was spent upon every action I did. Sorting people into specific roles is fine but ti was detail oriented I just got annoyed with it.
Also, for a guy who is supposed to be stealthy, why does he make so much noise?
Its the first mgs game that i played and i love it
@@HybridSpektar I'm guessing V was your first game? MGS is a large series driven mainly by the story with a distinct play style which changes over the course of the series. V is actually one of the weakest in story (though I believe it has really grown on the fandom after replaying and understanding it more.) But I wouldn't say it's the best introduction to the series since it's right in the middle of the timeline as it ties up a lot of loose ends. MGS 1 or MGS 3 would ease someone into the lore and game play better as 3 is the first chronologically and 1 is the first 'game' game. (Not counting Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake)
@@HybridSpektar New to the series?
Shout out to my stepdad, Doug, for playing through a good chunk of this game. I know I made fun of you for stupid shit like how you had to wear the chicken hat, but I’m glad you wanted to learn about something I was so hyper fixated on. Rest In Peace man. You’ll always be a diamond dog.
Dude that hit me hard damnnnn
A true diamond 💎 dog RIP Doug
Damn. RIP Doug. You were a real one
Where's your real dad?
A true Diamond Do(u)g
I love you, Sister. I always promise your sorrows will never be scattered to a heartless sea. You should've never left.
Venom Snake was the best Big Boss. Awful pacing and disjointed-ness aside, look at his entire existence in MGSV. Every decision Venom Snake ever made was to save people. I think it is evident that he had his own personality and morals despite being hypnotized into Big Boss. Big Boss, Huey, the kids, Quiet, DD, the fact that the demon meter is highly dependent on killing people instead of knocking out/fultoning. The Paz cutscenes make it obvious that somewhere deep down, Medic is haunted by not being able to save Paz. The ending is the ultimate conflict for Venom Snake, because in order to save the rest of Motherbase, he has to kill his own men. Venom Snake tried to save everyone, even if it ultimately leads to his destruction. He was introduced to us showing that he was willing to do it in the most literal sense.
Very good summary of his character. Venom is a fascinating character, and an underappreciated one I'd say. Some people think he's just a random medic or that he just represents the player (that's partially true, more on that in a minute), and even though we don't know much about his past except that he was the best and most trusted soldier Big Boss had on his side, his tragic story in MGSV (and later MG, I guess) was gripping. He has a very distinctive personality (for example he's willing to forgive and tries to avoid violence, as we see mostly in the second chapter of the game), though his character development is mostly subtle (that's why he speaks through actions, which I preferred compared to long expositions. Body language and subtle expressions also play a bigger role in this game). All of his decisions are justified once you understand that he was a brainwashed man who tried to act the way he thought Big Boss would act, after he was given his role.
Thus, he ended up being a better version of Big Boss and a contrast to him, by trying to emulate his persona, and that way Kojima was able to explore two characters at once. That doesn't mean that Venom's perfect of course. The way he intended to treat the child soldiers was... morally corrupt. During scenes like the one I just mentioned we can see the tear between his real self, and the one of a war monger that he was forced to be (not to mention the optional stuff like the construction of nukes or the combat deployment missions, through which you can basically risk the lives of your soldiers in order to gather materials, money etc with the press of a button, a simple order. Shady stuff, I prefer saving animals).
Now, about the twist that you're not Big Boss, but you're... you, more or less, I loved it. I like it when games tell a story by taking advantage of the medium's capabilities, and MGSV is a good example. I don't know why the general consensus is that Kojima gave us a pat in the back during the true ending, he actually showed us indirectly how Big Boss became an utter piece of shit (which is what people wanted from V, cause apparently they didn't get it with MGS3 and especially Peace Walker) by revealing that he exploited us throughout the whole game and took credit for everything we did, while we got erased from history. We became a proxy. Not to mention that Big Boss treated Venom the way The Boss got treated, and not just the way he himself got treated by the US. It was his ultimate downfall and after this his MG2:SS speech made total sense. Also, it's an inversion of MGS2's ending, with Venom's identity being taken away from him forever, while Raiden was encouraged to find a new one, and stop being a pretender.
edit: Made some edits to make my point a bit clearer. Sorry for the long ass comment.
edit 2: It's pretty important that Venom is a medic and not a "regular" soldier, as stated by others. Once you know that, the Paz side quest makes way more sense. There's a sense of a repressed, burdening psychological trauma, and regret. Then, there's the quarantine stuff, that's even worse.
It's sad that most players didn't appreciate the more subtle storytelling, thus claiming that "there's no story" in MGSV. My belief is that they got used to most things being explained and felt alienated (which isn't good, because there's a lot to unpack in every mainline entry, especially on a meta-narrative level. Even in the messy, overexplanatory MGS4).
@@giox99 For me he is the second most tragic of the "snakes" after Solidus
And Huey still fucking giving him shit (in fact that quote reminds me of people who hated this game)
Well, he was a medic.
He was trained to specialize in saving and preserving life.
He's definitely a better person than bigboss.
People are really bitter about MGSV, but there are some scenes, such as this one, and the Paz hallucinations, that make up for all the bad stuff, i've never felt so emotional toward a game as i have watching these scenes, and because of that i hold MGSV in very high regard.
wait Paz died?
Boargut Facebeater oh ok thx for telling me tgaf
Boargut Facebeater that*
They do NOT make up for all of the bad stuff. These are mere glimpses of how much better it could've been.
Connor Leonard me too
Right as the seagulls started chirping up again, Venom Snake began to pull back. It was a signal that beckoned out to him that the sea was uncaring for the plights of the men that once were, and that they deserved a better fate after life than to be mere particles drifting along the bottom of the ocean floor. That is why he pulled back.
As others have said, the direction of this painful yet uplifting scene is absolutely excellent. The pain in Venom's voice is so very real. Right when he says "I won't scatter your sorrow to the heartless sea", you can feel his anguish as his voice fades near the end of the sentence. The way his voice remains hushed until he turns around to answer Miller. He was not talking to anyone behind him, only to the remnants of his former men. Even in death, the bond can be felt. The way he motions to kiss the air, as if to finally say goodbye to the spirit. The subliminal messaging throughout is top notch, and is even reinforced later, what with Huey later being cast out to that same vast sea, as well as the camera not including Huey in the final pan away shot, suggesting subtly that he is not worthy of being a true comrade.
I adore this scene. It's so good. It can still make me cry all this time later. It is artistry at work.
God, it's fantastic how Huey managed to piss me off by simply breathing too loud
If someone would tell me year ago, that my favorite characte from the entire series will some random medic, I would laugh him off. Now I stand here and salute you Venom!
v is better than bb
The best about it is that Venom, this random medic, is a character YOU as the player created at the start of the game.
literally self insert
Venom Snake was a physician, Big Boss's best soldier and personal combat medic. Not just some random soldier.
Paramedic is Snake's strongest soldier, the most loyal and bravest of all. That's the reason why Snake and Ocelot chose him to become Venom. He's devoted to Snake since PW and even after knowing the truth in TPP ending.
Would be really funny if Snake fumbled the tub of ashes and dropped them halfway into his little monologue.
+AS sa Come on dude, lets go bowling.
Snake has more finesse to be a klutz like that
Totally would happen on secret theater like back in mgs3
"Deep down...we're kindred spirits...you...and I."
- Senator Armstrong.
"little"
Venom's and Arthur Morgans are one of the greatest character arcs, a story of chivalry, sacrifice, and empathy.
exactly...Hideo Kojima wanted to make the story like RDR2's Arthur Morgan but sadly couldnot because of Konami. On the other hand Rockstar managed to do it with new character Arthur Morgan in RDR2. If Konami give time to Kojima, Phantom Pain would become a masterpiece
"When you pick up a gun there's always a chance you'll die for nothing. He knew that as well as the rest. Now that he's gone, it's up to us to decide what it was all worth" - Venom Snake
Rip Chico
I cried :( how the f*ck am i ever going to get Raidens suit now... That was most of my R&D team
Get new staff members? You should be encountering more soldiers that are at least A rank in one field after the mission that leads to this cutscene anyway. It's been a while since I played the game. About 2 years, I think.
its only been a year bro, S ranks appear frequently as well
Wolfskii Tbf back when the game came out there was no staff reward out the ass system like there is now lol
Ravus Nox Fleuret innit, took piss long to get my R&D to just lvl30 and after replaying, Most teams are at 60
But...raiden is for completing all missions for A or something
we'll make diamonds from their asses
-Massive Master
+mAGNUS “Addy” wAKER No, dude it's "We'll put diamonds in their asses"
+sarftie Surely you mean Colossal Commander?
Gregor Mundell Large Leader?
+sarftie Massive Manager?
Gregor Mundell Gigantic General?
I said this quote at my friends funeral when he took his own life.
I will always remember him.
Based
This game is more than a game
Something I just realized here... that I knew didn't sit right the first time when I didn't know this wasn't Big Boss... was how unlike Jack he acted here. This isn't something Big Boss would do. It's out of character. And that's because it's not him. This is Venom, his own person. A once medic who was one of the many faces of the expendable MSF soldiers. The irony of Big Boss is that he wanted a place unlike Gene's "Army's Heaven"; "a place not of soldiers, but for them" "somewhere outside your heaven". And here he is, abandoning them like they're nothing. What was felt here was Venom feeling the pain of his comrades because he is one of them, although he may not consciously know that since he's been hypotherapied. It's a more pure scene where he's just you, the player, a medic, an anyone of the bunch... One day I want to do a full case study on this game. Say what you will about MGSV, I feel like the more I look back on it, the more there is to unpack. It might not be appreciated in this time. But in years, this will be a game that was Kojima's finest and most fitting ways of dropping the mic with Konami and a swan song to an incredible saga. There's more than meets the eye with this game, and there's so much depth to it despite popular opinion. I hold it in highest regards next to MGS3/PW, and that's saying something for me as a long time fan. I respect Kojima's decisions in this game. In the words of Big Boss, "as long as the times refuse to change, we're going to make a hell of a racket". "Will the times erase us, or work with us?"
I strongly recommend you to read Amy M. Green's book "Posttraumatic Stress Disorder, Trauma, and History in Metal Gear Solid V"
It's a great read on both MGSV and ground zeroes
@@joaoluizsn Sounds interesting, but I'm not spending $55usd for a 120pg ebook. What the hell...
I honestly have to resist the urge to say that Big Boss abandoned them, big boss was simply traveling to create the perfect world for soldiers to live in. If you listen to the audio logs when he is first woken up in the hospital before Venom, he is very reluctant to go through with this plan to have Venom impersonate him while he leaves. But he knew it was necessary in order to take the proper steps towards creating Outer Heaven.
the only problem is that MGSV is unfinished
so even if it aged like how MGS2 did, the incomplete story will give a different message.
It's hard to tell. Jack may have been flippant throughout mgs3 and portable ops, he always seemed to have a high respect and regard for MSF during peace walker. The incident that transpired during ground zeroes would be a little heavy: a false inspection leads to the sinking of motherbase, the murder of almost all his soldiers, watching paz explode in her freefall? When you consider it in it's full context, he really didn't abandon much of anything. It was taken from him. In starting over, he put running outer heaven as his priority yes, but left setting up the public eye of big boss through diamond dogs in the hands of what people he knew he could trust to pull through: Miller, Ocelot, and one of the only surviving soldiers of MSF in the medic. A man he trusted enough to be him. While venom's actions with this are absolutely all his own, I wouldn't discount big boss to not have honored the fallen in some way as well.
this scene is what solidified kiefer as big boss for me. he fucking nailed it
'Solidified' ....was that intentional?
Super Super Hero lol no, but now since you pointed that out its pretty funny
Indeed. People complain about David not doing the voice over in V, but I just can't see him pulling off the dialogue like Kiefer did. That's not to say David is bad. He's great, but it just wasn't his style. The decision to get Keifer was perfect in my book. I just wish he had more lines..
ZombryaTheDark you right, kiefer just is the perfect big boss voice
I'd say that Kiefer makes a great Big Boss as an older man - David was good for the younger John.
3:02
Even in death, their ideas still with us
naked snake killed his mother figure for his country
venom snake killed his brothers in arms for his country (outer heaven)
I guess this scene was supposed to imply he truly became big boss or something like that
Lines like this makes the soldier in me want to salute.
+Carlos Contreras well said) salute my brother!
+Carlos Contreras ;')
Carlos Contreras That's how powerful this game is
Dude This Scene Got Me Emotional
My soldier is probably an E rank
I don't believe I've ever hated and NPC more than Huey Emmerich. Phantom Boss is more merciful than I would have been. I wish there was an option to kill him during the trial... easy choice for me.
+Justin Sherrod did you play MGS2? You learn how Huey eventually dies... and it ain't pretty.
+Dr. Fun he can't even die right
Hahaha, yeah. lets just say, he definitely gets what he deserves.
+Dr. Fun Dude I played MGS2 ages ago, how did he die?
FlatSkip
He committed suicide after finding out that his son and his wife were sleeping with each other. He also tried to take his daughter with him.
I hate to say it, but I don’t think David Hayter could have done this scene better.
So true
Agreed. Kiefer nailed it.
Agree
I hate how FUCKING GOOD is Sutherland
I think Hayter could have done a stellar performance, but honestly, Sutherland definitely knocked it out of the park. No one compares.
Thinking of this in a purely logical way can you imagine how surreal it is? Like imagine you're some grunt soldier at the back and you hear Big Boss muttering something about the heartless sea before tasting your buddy's ashes like icing sugar and then smearing it all over his face before announcing that he's turning them into diamonds...
A father to his men indeed.
Don't rub it in
Illuminati too late boss already did
Everytime a video like this pops up in my feed, I just spend hours and hours reading the comments, always looking for heartfelt and interesting things people say.
It's only with MGS I do this with, no other Game franchise has made me do things like this.
It's magical almost.
Here to do the same thing
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I think Kiefer Sutherland really killed it with Venom in MGS5, really portrayed the pain in losing comrades
Big Boss is the only character I know who can rub ashes on his face while saying "Plant your roots in me" and STILL seem really badass.
I'm glad a certain man never learned about his dad's sins. The reason I laugh at a certain man's fate later in the series
Who
Otacon
Rick Ross I wonder if Otacon knew his father killed his mother.
PickledCarrots PickledCarrots Probably not.
But when Hal tells the story of how Huey committed suicide because he caught Hal with his wife, all I can think now is:
"Good. Couldn't have happened to a better piece of shit. And he tried to take an innocent child with him. How fucking typically cowardly of him."
>dads sins
THE SIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINS
Kaz's delivery on the line: "we're not burying them at sea?" is superb. 10/10 voice acting
Kiefer Sutherland was soooo UNDERRATED! I wish he had been in more MGS games
he has to be big boss in the mg remakes(if they ever get made)
i love when he says "we are diamond dogs" and then he starts diamond dogging all over the place
To all those who despise the ending and the fact that this isn't even the real, legendary, Big Boss. this dude here, the Phantom is the Big Boss we all wanted and deserved. a leader, proudly posing as both the gun and the shield on behalf of all his comrades and one that doesn't simply let their memory fade into the ocean. what we learn here is that there always will be something better. that when we make a choice, we can always choose to be a better or worse version of ourselves. the real Big Boss made his choice alright: to abandon his comrades in order to protect his head. this is what would have become of him if he hadn't done so, if he had the courage to face the world and fight not for his ambition but for the sake of his comrades, both the ones lost in the Caribbean, the ones lost here in the Seychelles and the ones that still remained and carried his Phantom Pain with him. Venom Snake is, to me, the real Big Boss. the Boss that, in the end, didn't get disillusioned and tyrranical, the Boss that wanted to live like a free man, the man who left his mark upon the world. not the man who sold it.
Yeah,and then comes snake and kills him :(
OoJoshioO Venom Snake died a proud man at least. despite the fact that he never saw himself as the hero he truly was, but as a demon brought back from hell.
I agree. I was initially upset we weren't playing the real Big Boss...But now to me, Venom is Big Boss. A better Big Boss than Naked Snake ever was. He has a compassion about him that Naked Snake just really doesn't. Venom is my favorite MGS character.
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Not only that but I just love the ending because of how Kojima made the players part of the legacy of the entire series. Venom Snake is us and we helped create this legacy, I mean BB even tells you that. In a very cool and Kojima way, he literally made it so that players were responsible for crafting the MGS series.
Could you please tell me who is Venom Snake and Naked Snake?
"Staff Morale Increased"
"Everyone liked that"
**Dogmeat like that**
"We're not burying them at sea?.."
"No....
*I'mma snort em'* "
😂😂
They’ll be *INSIDE ME*
@@ntfdbrs2562 🤣
“Give me your card, Miller.”
Honestly, that's some shit that jerma would do...
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFuck
Huey's appearance triggers me after playing through mgs5
that freaking psycho, i hate him
why? (I don't know why all you guys hate him cuz I haven't played completed it)
Well without spoiling too much, he keeps lying and contradicting himself - also he's a douchebag that ruins some scenes when he pulls a trigger on someone or a bit before this scene where he suddenly charges in and go "how could you do that! they were your men!", like eff off they were dying anyways and we later find out it's your fault! Douchebag.
Winson Oh ok thx for telling me.
To be fair Huey's presence is supposed to be the inbetween but not quite the same as Ocelot and Kaz.
So in this case, Huey wanted to try to keep them quarantined and try to cure them.
I actually cried as I had to shoot the people in that room, as they salute you. I mean, I remembered people that I extracted, where I found them... The ending did feel abrupt, but when it hit me, it left a damnably clean mark.
+drago2021 yeah... seeing them saluting hurt me as hell inside.
+HollowGaming The boss will know what to do, Tell us boss what to do. I wanted at least one to survive and then to have that torn away felt like shit man.
+drago2021 "We live and die by your order, Boss!"
That cut me deep. Here are people who joined the military in hopes of joining the ranks of the legendary Big Boss. They dreamed of serving under you. And you _had_ to murder them.
+drago2021 i damn need a video of this moment.... all video i could find people jsut stupidly shoot like fucking asshole =..= i like leastenned to this for 5-10 minute XD
Yeah, I felt a sharp pain in that mission. They were my best men too
Yesterday, my friend Clive passed away. He was the one who was there for me. We played hours and hours of games, and called on discord for several nights a week. I'm really lost for words right now and don't know what to do. Rest easy, Clive.
Ryan I’m sorry for your loss.
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I feel sorry for a loss as nonreplaceable as a long time friend. Rest in peace to your past pal.
F
Rest In Peace. Live for him.
I shall salute to your friend, a true diamond dog.
There's so much great stuff in this scene. Like how since Venom Snake's brain-damage makes him sometimes visually unable to distinguish between white and red, the white ash on his face would be, to him, difficult to tell from the blood he had on his face after shooting those dudes, paralleling his own conflicted feelings of guilt over doing what had to be done to save potentially thousands of lives.
And there's the gentleness in the mocap performance, after pulling back the container of ashes. It's great. And I just realized, the white ash on Big Boss' face contrasts the black domino mask (and parasite-caused discoloration) on Skull Face.
I... never considered that link between the ashes and blood.
You know, I've been going back and replaying this game, and when you look deeper into it, the story is actually very very good, even though I think it isn't the best presenting them in cassette tapes, what's there is amazingly interesting
the thing is its by far the most subtle game in the series and fans aren't really fans of such a drastic change
Same here, a bit like the new Doom, there's a story yes, but it's hidden and the player has to make an effort to find it
Fans don't like it because the tapes are a compromise, Kojima wanted a far longer game but the funding needed wasn't permitted by Konami. Just look at the bonus footage of Sahelanthropus on the island.
Big boss: "I wont scatter your sorrow to the heartless sea"
Huey: "Your a monster!"
Big boss: "Don't make me scatter YOUR sorrow to the heartless sea"
Or "don't make me scatter your ass with the heartless bullets"
Huey: meep.
He did send him out in a balloon boat to the heartless sea
Huey scattered his sorrow to the heartless pool.
You are*
or You're*
2:56 A shining light to our brothers-in-arms Even in death... We are Diamond Dogs
“I won’t scatter your sorrow to the heartless sea” would make a damn good tattoo, as well as meaningful
I can't get the ending of the Big Lebowski out of my head.
"Venom Snake doesn't have cool moments like the real big boss"
yeah, sure...
I like how this scene is somehow emotional and serious yet so hilarious and goody at the same time
This is by far the best moment in the game
For me, its the scene when he play in the rain with quiet half naked ^^
Venom was more Big Boss than Big Boss has ever been in this scene.
exactly why miller wanted the real deal gone.
this scene made me so angry i went on a fulton-spree.
Ugh cmon Dennis I had to sell my 1,463,879 precious metals for that shitty GMP
Snake:"we will turn them into diamonds from their ashes"
Kaz: "I think you might be on to something Chief!"
For me it's the greatest vedio game cutscene ever! Truly! Marvelous
This was the best scene in the game. It's crazy how much these soldiers honor Big Boss. When they salute you, you can hear them humming the Peace Walker theme as it plays on the radio in the room.. crazy.
"we live and die by your order boss"
After this scene, your battle dress and sneaking suit will have a diamond under the DD badge on your left shoulder.
As underdeveloped as MGSV's overall plot is, this remains one of the most powerful and effective cutscenes in any computer game I've ever played.