I became a whole food low vegan about two and a half years ago. I lost 50lbs and my cholesterol with medication dropped from 258 to 154 without medication. I was also able to get my blood pressure down to 112/70 and stop both of my blood pressure medications. The best part of the change has been in my joints. They now feel supple and limber. My inflammation has decreased dramatically. All of my joints are pain free. These are great results for me being a 61 year old man. To get started I recommend Dr. Michael Greger’s book How Not to Die. It’s my nutrition bible.
@johnnystill5587 Everyone I know seems to be quite happy taking their meds for high blood pressure, cholesterol, diabetes, etc. They all believe it is an inevitable result of aging. God forbid you tell them that plants can solve their problems. It's really quite interesting the attachment people have for the foods that destroy them. Particularly since animal consumption is such a disgusting practice, that everyone loves so much, ironically.
@@user-no2mz9hl4f How Not to Die”? Yeah, snake oil salesmen have been popular for years. The authors probably won’t make to nearly the age they expect. Total BS.
@@user-no2mz9hl4f He just turned 50 years of age is all! So you’re Dr. Greger has a long way to go before personally proving any of his ridiculous claims. Plus, he’s not without his critics: “Harriet A. Hall has written that, while it is well-accepted that it is more healthy to eat a plant-based diet than a typical Western diet, Greger often overstates the known benefits of such a diet as well as the harm caused by eating animal products (for example, in a talk, he claimed that a single meal rich in animal products can "cripple" one's arteries), and he sometimes does not discuss evidence that contradicts his strong claims.[29] Joe Schwarcz of McGill University has commented that although Greger takes his information from respected science journals and produces impressive videos, he has a vegan agenda and is known for cherry picking of data.[30]
I am a med student and most profs are very anti-vegan which is mostly brought up during lessons about anaemia or omega-3. I find it a bit disheartening because we could learn about plant-based sources of nutrients so we could be better doctors for our future patients, instead of getting comments like “the only way vegans get protein is if there is a worm on their cabbage leaf”. Their dismissive attitude also makes me scared of asking them about treating nutritional deficiencies in vegans because from their perspective, the only adequate solution would be eating meat and dairy. So I wish we would actually learn about vegan diet and proper nutrition instead of profs labelling vegans as this crazy quirky community who only eat carrots 🥕
That sentence is not just offensive but biologically stupid. If only animals have protein in their bodies (like the worm) how the fuck do they get them? From air? I think most doctor teachers are just white cis mediocre men who think they're geniuses lol.
I'm a smart-ass so I'd ask them for proof for any of their BS claims. I'd shove a cronometer of my daily intake of protein, which is higher than what the USDA daily recommendations are, in their face. I'd ask them why they are spreading misinformation about protein that was debunked back in the 40's. I'd ask them why they are going against the recommendations of health organizations like the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics, the WHO, CDC, and even the HEAVILY animal agriculture lobbied USDA says you're fine eating 100% plants. I'd ask them why they are trying to cause the next COVID-19 pandemic and why they want antibiotic resistance to destroy modern medicine. The CDC calls antibiotic resistance a global health threat and states animal agriculture is a large driver in that. Even animals who weren't fed antibiotics gives us their antibiotic resistance when we eat them. Also, how is their erectile dysfunction? But again, I'm a smart-ass. lol
it means that they are poor hunters, which is why they eat plants. If you see a herbivore come across meat of some sort they prioritise it over the plants. Some become frantic at the site of an animal they can eat. This isnt a mistake. We are very good hunters its why we have 4.5 million years of evidence that we evolved eating an almost entirely meat based diet. That might be an uncomfortable truth, but its a truth all the same.
they also ferment plant fiber into short chain fatty acids (saturated fats). Gorillas for example are on a high fat, moderate protein diet. Like we should be. Its how they metabolise the indigestible plant fibers that they eat. Not a vegan high carb diet like some claim.@@akiramiller9025
Since going wholefood plantbased, I've had the best teeth ever. No plaque, no tartar, my dental hygienist was even a bit annoyed last time I saw her, because she didn't need to do anything...
Same here. My hygienist literally spends just 20 minutes cleaning my teeth. She says I don't have the build up that most people have especially on the bottom teeth. She doesn't even know I'm vegan.
I have worked at being Plant-Based for about twenty years and have not paid much attention to the issues. Recently I made a pro-plant response to a recent Fat2 RUclips video. What surprised me was the large number of responses to my comment. I was not aware how far to the extreme all of these "Carnivore" supporters have gone. Everyone thinks they are lions. I did recommend your channel.--- Fat Chance! Thanks Mike.
Yeah those guys from my experience can be quite unstable and emotionally attached to their carnivore beliefs, you won't exactly be barking up the tree of reason when discussing this with them.
@@richardcardinale7152 Even if I wanted to be a Carnivore I could not afford it. Also, the real paleo diet included bugs, grubs, and organs. I am reading Denis Minger's "Death By Food Pyramid". I find it a balanced presentation. The book is published by Primal Press. A diet is a long term investment.
Were we "meant" to turn this earth into literal hell on earth for trillions of animals? Were we "meant" to be literally SATANIC? 🤔 THAT guys obsession with what humans were "meant" to be is pretty disturbing. Thank you always for excellent work Mic the Vegan 👍👍
Were ment to get well skilled at life's dodge ball, & try to understand things , & grow up ,try to get happy, it can only help , your diet can effect this , 💖
@@proudchristian77 Yes, your diet can effect this. So in that light, it's a poor conclusion that the fellow in the video being reviewed gives, about what we're "meant" to eat. We can choose to eat things that are healthy for us, and our essentially herbivore digestive tract, as Mic illustrated.
Canines can evolve through sexual selection--male intra-sexual competition. Hence the canines in Gorillas, Chimps, and possibly the tiny vestigial ones we have.
Except tiny vestigial teeth are no good in a male vs male fight, so you make no sense on that one. Hippo's teeth however, are primarily weapons like deer antlers.
@@OliHandy2008 Vestigial means that the original function has been lost or mostly lost. Upper body strength is the primary determinant of male fighting ability, not teeth. A couple million years ago, maybe.
Obligatory carnivores get sick/potentially die if they eat large amount of plants to obtain nutrients. Obligatory herbivores will get prion disease/get sick if they consume meat. Using cecum as a reason to steer away from plant based diet is a poor rationale because we are made to eat starch not extract calories from fiber. This is just my hypothesis, but I think we are designed to eat starch based plant focused diet that can occasionally get away with eating carcass during food shortage when no other starch source is available. But yeah I think people arguing humans are carnivores are nonsensical as people saying cardio exercise is bad for health. Humans are by design made as long distance running machine. That's why we sweat, and we obtain energy from starch.
In nature we likely ate both. It’s possible we obtained most of our energy from starch and most of our protein from meat. Not hard to look at how natives that were still pre agriculture ate like.
"Obligatory herbivores will get prion disease/get sick if they consume meat" lmao read something before you say such stupid shit. During the mad cow outbreak in the UK after the cows, carnivore animals in the zoos were one of the first affected by the misfolded proteins. pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21936725/ obviously animals with lower stomach ph like humans, lions, dogs, etc are less likely to get vCJD than herbivores
@@millerstation92 actually carnivores ph is below one whereas we are 1-4 depending on what we eat. Our intestines are also much longer. Seems like we have good capability to eat meat and plants just like existing tribes still eat, it’s not rocket science. We would not have colour vision if we were carnivores or the most amylase of any mammal in the stomache but also even in our saliva
I used to eat meat a lot. Now I don’t eat any. I’m the same person. But now my LDL and weight are much healthier. Thanks Mic for all the great points. But what about the dead bodies?
@@thintible7349 does it matter? Why do a deep dive into the quality of meat they ate in the past if they're going forward with a plant based diet? They feel great and they are thriving by every available measure. Why would they shift gears now and spend $ on grass fed grass finished beef when they are happy with their results?
@@AmyKozerski It's hardly a deep dive. Did they eat good quality meat or trash? Grass finished ground beef is very cheap (bio available nutrition/$) How do you know " They feel great and they are thriving by every available measure" - I'm guessing you have no clue, just blowing smoke up the vegan ass
Excellent video. I had watched this video because it appeared in my feed and yes, the title was interesting but had thought the logic was off. Thanks for another excellent video! Cheers from Toronto
What about instead of peddling backwards we FOCUS ON HERE AND NOW AND THE FUTURE! What we do more of now we will adapt to. Now we can eat plant exclusive. The future we want is food forest that support diverse ecosystems, community gardens, food not lawns, vaganic farms, etc rather than slaughterhouses. Let's continue taking our adaptation to plants, the only nonviolent, sustainable, and healthiest way. ❤
You can’t eat just meat or just plants. You have to eat a healthy amount of both. It’s how our bodies our built. If you eat just meat then you become obese, if you eat just plants then you become underweight.
The operational overhead of gathering enough plants to eat and doing the same day after day - because historically there are no supermarkets or refrigerators - makes this notion laughable. Animals are energy dense. Plants are not.
Also about 90% of people who choke on food do so on meat. Carnivores do not choke on the prey that they eat, and they don't even chew there meat, they bite, rip and swallow huge pieces of it, and nothing gets stuck.
@@Magickfae By choking it is implied that you would of died if intervention would not have been administered. With water or rice or fruits goes down the wrong pipe, you cough a couple of times and your fine. But with meat or cheese because it is hard to break it down specially if it hasn't been highly processed can get stuck in your airway and you have to either go and fish it out yourself or do the Heimlich Maneuver. You never do that with water or vegan food unless you try swallowing a whole grape, but if you bite into the grape then there is no chance of you choking on it and dying. Animals that are made for predation don't choke on meat or fish or flesh, they rip the biggest piece they can fit in their mouth and they swallow without chewing. But most people who choke and die do so on meat.
Good video! "We can get nutrition from carrots and meat so that makes us omnivores." - So can cows and literally every other mammal. Everyone can digest and get nutrition from meat but we're not labeling cows are omnivores for that reason. You brought it up briefly but I think it needs to be mentioned that ONLY herbivores get heart disease from saturated fat. You'll never give a dog or cat heart disease from meat.
@@rollsaroundindirt yes , very anti-inflammatory , calming for the nervous system, good for my hormones , excellent for my sex drive etc etc lol. I'm really sorry for you.
This is a most infuriating topic to me. The general public and especially the carnivore minded individuals are completely impervious to common sense when it comes to this. Most of the points being made here are so plainly logical and perfectly track everything we know about human health and yet most people are prone to reject them all on the spot without any or very poor reasoning or evidence to support their position. Drives me nuts.
Logic has been absent in hunans for centuries. Unfortunately that is also the case for vegans on other topics. No one can find all logic but thinking critically and question our behaviour and question where big money is made is one good attitude/step.
Sorry that the truth offend you. Yes they are more and more carnivore , because it is our natural diet and it cure almost all lol. So for sure you will see more and more of us. They are so many ex vegans coming on the carnivore woe , if you only knew , you will cry hahaha
@@tnijoo5109 hahaha, of course the shape of the earth have something to do with our discussion. It's a poor argument but I know it will win a lot of dumb people lol
Ethics aside, it seems like we are 95% whole food plant based diet with lean animals like bugs, oysters, and wild animals occasionally. Similar to chimpanzee except with starch being our main part of our diet instead of fruit.
Sounds right to me. But for superior health in today's world we can use B12 instead of oysters, bugs, etc, so we don't need to worry about toxic contaminations, parasites, etc.
Seems based on what? There are no bugs, oysters and most plants easily available in large parts of the planet during winters so seems pretty obvious we ate largely what we hunted and fished during those times before agriculture.
@@carinaekstrom1 "By reanalysing human skull fragments discovered four decades ago in Greece, an international team of researchers now believe that an early modern human migration out of Africa may have reached Europe by at least 210,000 years ago."
@@cyberfunk3793 There have been many migrations back and forth. People, as well as other animals were generally nomads, moving with the seasons. Even today, extremely few humans live where plant foods are hard to find. And whatever plants those people can find they cherish.
Canines are generally associated with carnivores and when including carnassials, they are defining features of carnivores. He just glazed thru the teeth topic... Also, when someone says we didn't get our meat from teeth, we got it from tools. That ends the "evolved to meat argument" right there. Clearly humans did not.
My current favorite nutrition channel is "Nutrition Made Simple." Dr. Gil, despite being a vegan himself, has no agenda and simply follows the evidence. I hate propaganda, whether for a good or bad cause.
@@singularity6761 this channel is very biased abut still has good info. would say the carnivores are still way more blind than channels like this. They are on another level.
I've always approached the argument like this: I couldn't care less about what we "evolved" to eat. What we know how is how to eat for optimal health and for the vast majority of the population - vegan. pretty simple. But how we evolved - clearly early man was an opportunity eater and what they ate depended greatly on where they lived. To conclude anything beyond humans evolved to be able to eat anything doesn't mean that is how we should eat and is a simple appeal to tradition / nature. Eat what is best for the vast majority of people and make minor adjustments if you need to but based on actual blood tests and not a 'how I feel" thing. How people feel is quite often made up in their head based on what they expect to feel rather than reality. Whole plants for the win.
@@richardcardinale7152 yes there is. Oh, and by the way, not all vegans are as conceited as Mic was in this video. It put me off as well. Some of us are tolerant, accommodating, and understand that people have the right to choose whatever diet gives them the most out of life. Healthy or not.
I don’t care what teeth I have, and what I was ‘meant’ to eat. I’m vegan, don’t eat my friends the animals, and a side benefit is that In mid 50s I’m healthy as a 20 years old
I eat a plantbased diet, some of my friends eat plantbased, some are vegetarian and some are omnivore. We all get along. When we have our togethers we accommodate each other. Eat what you want and get along.
I have been enjoying the Human Anatomy channel recently, so interesting to see this link. A little sad he wouldn't take a definitive view, but hard to really fault him. Most people will eat what their friends and family eat.
I'm more disheartened that they weren't factually correct. To me that is the greatest issue. Makes me not want to watch the channel anymore. Frankly if they are going to lie about this, what else are they lying about.
If we evolved to eat meat then why can we still make vitamin A, cholesterol, and omega 3 from plant sources? One of the rules of evolution is: that which is used gets stronger, that which is not used wastes away. So if early humans were getting an abundance of these nutrients preformed from animal sources, we should have lost the ability to make them ourselves? Just like we lost the ability to make vitamin C because we were getting all we needed from fruits and vegetables.
@@cyberfunk3793 The amount of B12 needed is extremely small, and no one says we didn't get it mostly from animal matter, although there are possibilities we also got it through dirt, water and some plants, especially fermented ones. The animal matter needed could for example be from the bugs on our plantfoods, or a couple of oysters per week. Not a whole lot needed as long as the absorption is functional. I was a vegetarian for 42 years and never took a supplement, so no meat necessary at all. I had dairy then.
@@carinaekstrom1 No one? There are people in this comment section speculating we got 95% of our calories form plant sources even before agriculture which is obviously nonsense.
I remember him saying that science isn't upto date on what we should eat, but that's just a complete wrong statement, if you look at all of the studies that are published in the scientific journals then you can easily see that we do have tonssss of data on human health outcomes data in relation to food, and if you put that all together, then we can 100% see that a plantbased diet is overpowered with health promoting health outcomes.
If our ability to derive calories from both animals and plants makes us an omnivore, then all animals are omnivores. Feed your pet bunny meat and eventually watch it die of a heart attack. Feed your pet cat rice and watch it develop diabetes. You can believe 1 of 2 things: Either we're omnivores and we're designed to get sick, live with pain, and die of disease, OR we're herbivores and disease is unnatural.
Thanks. Very good as we have come to expect. The part about pandas was surprising, I didn't think of that and I suppose would need to look into it. Anyhow, good sound points especially at the end in fact right through. Nice to compare nutritional research on the earth's population to a giant observational laboratory sort of thing... well thank you again, good wishes.
Prehistoric diets are interesting because they're history, but they're not a prescription for what we should be eating now. For that we should refer to the tens of thousands of much more relevant studies on modern humans.
Try catching a squirrel on your own. Not as easy as collecting acorns. Sure humans ate meat but they relied on a few who were good at hunting. If you weren't and did not have the social clout to receive meat from others, nature equipped you to go extended periods eating food that does not run away or bite or scratch. I am sure that hermits have always existed because dealing with people can be too much, and they could go very long eating food with low injury potential.
I love that channel! And i 1000% think its awesome they have HUMAN bodies for education - donating your body to science (to ethical institutes) is a great use
Another excellent video Mic. One thing I would’ve liked to have heard discussed is primatology. How our intestinal length compares to gorillas and chimpanzees orangutans, our closes great ape cousins, and other morphology. It would’ve also been nice to hear about how we know that some primates, chimpanzees and baboons are opportunistic meat consumers, hunters or scavengers as well as eaters of insects. Did ancestral humans have similar behaviors that may have affected our brain development and physical changes? Why humans changed to have smaller molars, weaker jaws and muscles for chewing compared to our predecessors and contemporaries like gorillas with their tremendous bite force and muscle attachments at the sagital crest of their skull used for prolonged chewing and processing of raw plant material as opposed to cooked plant material or cultivated plants and or meat, sea food etc. How did our evolution change us one our environment changed from forest to grasslands and as we walked the Earth adapting with tool use, fire and culturally from hunters and gatherers to agriculturist and state level societies. Big topic! More videos please! Keep up the good work!
Everything that changed can be attributed to cooking. By cooking, a lot more nutrients and calories could be utilized. Sure, cooked meat was also contributing, but if we had used it a lot we would probably tolerate it better by now.
@@carinaekstrom1 wtf are you saying?!? Meat is the best food for humans and the most tolerated like you said haha. Each time someone eat meat , there is some carbs and refine carbs with it , and / or oil .. so yeah it's normal that's people feeling sick af with that. When you only eat meat and fat , your digestion will be so happy. Ps I had cure my chron disease, and many more things, with all meat diet. #MEATHEAL #MEATMILITIA
@@carinaekstrom1 sorry don't need anymore false propaganda , since i was vegans for 10 years , I read and see all the vegan arguments and I cannot fail for it anymore , sorry for you, but you will never convince me.
I think it's ultimately irrelevant whether humans evolved to be omnivores or herbivores. Either was possible. Panda bears are carnivora that eat only plants. We evolved from herbivores who supplemented with and sometimes depended on hunting. Carnivores aren't evil. But suppose we were intelligent life that evolved from obligate carnivores like cats. The issue of climate change would be the same. The inhumane treatment of animals in factory farms would be the same. What would change would be the health benefits of being vegan and the urgency of developing lab-grown meats. The ethical problem of causing suffering to sentient beings would remain, and as the sophistication of our society and technology grew, it would become more morally wrong to disregard it and do nothing to change how we survived. As it is, our ancestors may have survived hard times by eating meat, but we not only don't have to anymore, it's actually bad for our health. We are lucky to not only not have any excuses, but to instead have strong incentive to do better by the animals and the climate.
No mention of amylase? We start digesting our grains in the mouth, while chewing. And yes, the grains need to be cooked, otherwise you'll lose your teeth within a week.
They need to be cooked mainly (i've been looking into making barley milk but wanted to go raw) because of contaminations via animal feces, raw grains aren't prepped ready for use to eat, like steel cut oats are.
@@dartfather No ofcourse not, but i don't think i mentioned making milk from raw beans or rice did i? Certain grains should be fine and keeping them raw as possible helps retain vitamins.
@@dartfather Yes, that's what i said i found out didn't i? That it was not possible because of contamination to have the grains completely raw. So i can now cook them 5 mins to kill the bacteria instead of cooking it 20-30 mins to actually eat it.
The guy makes good points, but quite a bit of what he says is either false or misleading....typically the latter. But it is very obvious that physiologically we are herbivores, well, a frugivore and starchivore hybrid of sorts, to be specific based on just how health promoting such foods are, as well as how efficiently we assimilate them, both calorically and nutritionally. So the guy is wrong in stating that we don't have a definite answer...we most certainly do.
Personally I don’t really trust anatomists to make health claims. That’s a bias I have after my teacher made a bunch of dubious claims and tried to back it up with anatomical knowledge which made no sense. It’s like some sort of delusional confidence that comes from memorizing anatomical facts or something.
"More recent analyses based on Murdock's Ethnographic Atlas (3) have, in contrast, suggested that most (73%) of hunter-gatherer societies derived >50% of their calories from meat (including wild game and fished foods), while only 14% of societies derived >50% of their calories from plants (4)."
"But it is very obvious that physiologically we are herbivores" herbivores don't have a stomach acid ph of 1.5, herbivores don't absorve nutrients in the small intestine and most importantly herbivores get enough b12 from eating many many pounds of dirty leaves and many times eating their own shit to recycle b12. I rather let the herbivore eat the shitty grass to get b12 and then eat the herbivore
This issue always leaves me a little bemused. As someone who is not a vegan but completely endorses veganism as an ethical stance, I would say it doesn't really matter what humans are evolutionarily adapted to. We can be "vegan" whatever the case.
@@carinaekstrom1 yes, but I mean in the sense that veganism isn't dependent upon things being one way or the other. All that can influence is the extent to which we can enact the ethics. For example, even if it turned out humans *have* to eat meat, it doesn't follow that we have to farm animals the way we do because our ethical duty would prevent such systems as CAFOs.
@@graememcelligott8874 Right, but I don't think a lot of people would choose to be vegan if it could not be done in a healthy way, ethics or not. But even if it was the case that people need meat for health there is no excuse any more now that we will have access to lab meat.
If I’m understanding his position, and humans don’t necessarily need to eat one way or another to survive, then why not choose the option that causes the least harm to 100s of billions of animals? Seems pretty obvious to me.
Lately on the radio where I live there is a commercial that has been playing stating that a person dies every 5 minutes on earth from heart disease. The commercial goes on to say the that if “you” donate money to this organization they will use that money to find a cure for heart disease and stroke. In my head I’m just laughing and thinking I know the cure already and it’s free you morons!
Agree except for one thing. What controls the evolutionary adaption is what made us survive to reproductive age -not who avoids a heart attack at 60 or cancer at 70.
Why is that when people talk about human diet they always bring up Inuit when they make up .00000000000001 percent of all people who exist while all large societies lived on a 90-99% plant based diet. Haha
Basically what I have come to understand with nature and natural diets is that you want to keep is varied of a gut biome as possible but ultimately stick to a core diet. And I think that is what we are observing with rhinos and the occasional eating of meat and other animals that mostly eat plant based but will be omnivorous as a way to balance their diet. Just like the soil, we are feeding our bacteria, not our stomach.
It seems to me, that humans would have primarily eaten plant foods (much easier to catch) and only eaten animals when the potatoes ran out (pun not intended 😅) Because come on, even animal eaters admit that roast potatoes are the best part of the meal (and if they don't they are lying/cannot cook 🤣)
Meat is my best part from a meal , 6 month in a carnivore diet , it's so goddamn good , and feel amazing. Not one vegan feel so good , I telling you. 🍖❤️
@@wanashthegash List them then - I grew up next to forest and all I saw was tiny berries for a couple of months in summer and acorns for a few months in winter It's freezing cold half the year, with nothing growing and you need to feed a small tribe Go head - tell me how you would do it
Has anyone else noticed a trend of people making the statement “There’s no one size fits all diet.”? Funny, that wasn’t a common catch phrase when general dietary recommendations were made via a pyramid that included full fat animal dairy and meat for protein several times a day.
@@knockingseeker big apes also eat meat if they're in an extreme situation. Dogs can eat grass too. We're technically big apes, that's not an subjective appreciation. We cannot eat raw meat, unless is very well conserved, or we die. You can eat rotten vegetables and most probably nothing really bad will happen to you.
@@juno6yeah but we are nothing like just a big ape.. If you were in the jungle in nature you would search for meat to cook and edible plants and being stuck in nature is not an extreme situation. Not to say that in modern society vegan isn’t possible or healthy but obviously we are not apes and we would behave much differently in nature than an ape.
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@@juno6 yeah we are not though. Very different than apes. Sorry but if you think we are apes then maybe you are somewhat similar to them intelligence wise.
Dr Milton Mills has a few very good videos available on RUclips where he goes through systematically in very simple terms the evolutionary and biological evidence for why the human body is adapted to a herbivore not carnivore diet.
he lied and said that our stomach ph isn't very acidic and didn't touch on how you get B12 deficiency if you don't eat animals that bioaccumulated already by eating dirt
It would be so much easier if we reproduced, lived until 30-40 and died. I was OK on Paleo until 50 and then BP started to go up. So had to go WFPBSOS free to get it back down.
Whether tools were used or not to hunt an animal, animals of all kinds need teeth to actually chew the meat and there's little difference in the structure between the teeth of modern homosapiens and pre-historic homosapiens, and past ascendants of homosapiens.
Some people will justify their addiction to eating meat. It’s an addiction just like drugs and alcohol and sugar. Thanks with all they great content and information.
It doesn't matter how long of a period humans choose to consume meat outside the ecological niche while the meat is processed as soon as it's consumed on a widescale basis and without selective pressure to consume less plants. Introducing tools relies on cultural forces instead of biological evolution. Humans can choose to consume animal products for 40 million years and it will still be a health compromise and humans will still lack the traits common to carnivora.
Mustve been a hell of an emergency given that we hunted most megafauna to near extinction for thousands and thousands of years. You can't survive in the wild on unreliable, seasonal plants prone to rotting & being eaten by animals. Humans followed herds and hunted to survive. The only people who disagree are folks on these channels who can't emotionally cope with anyone eating an animal.
Eat what you want..I ate mostly veggies for 20 yrs.. almost no processed food..exercised daily..Been carnavore 1.5 yrs. It cured my sinus problems,fixed my swollen prostate,improved my sleep, energy and I've put on 15 lbs of muscle and have almost no body fat..All I changed was I got rid of plants.
Omnivore is still not a taxonomic classification since you'd have to put bears with pigs and goats. They're all just carnivores and herbivores eating diets that fall towards the middle. Also if we were calling anything that 'can' eat meat an omnivore then literally every animal on the planet would have to be classified as omnivore. We're generalist herbivores who specialised in leaves/fruit then starches as we evolved. On a personal note, I have familial hypercholesterolaemia (liver produces too much cholesterol and can't flush it away) so I definitely don't need to be eating any dietary sources of cholesterol and can do with much less saturated fat as well. Glad I've been plant based for 11 years.
Basically all animals can be "omnivores", it's such a meaningless term. And yes, humans are very crappy omnivores. Actually, we are still frugivorous herbivores.
I want to point out that with regarda to oral health its important for the study to be cross cultural. Rural and hunter gatherer populations tend to have better oral health than more urban populations that eat processed foods.
Hello Mic! Love your content! I just saw this dumb video about how being vegan is bad, and they linked to this daily mail article called: “The great vegan diet 'con': How a plant-based lifestyle is NOT always better for your health - and could lead to brittle bones, anemia and hair loss” this was posted 10 of November. Would you mind responding to this with your brilliance? Oh and it was sky news doing the coverage of it, if that’s of interest
You totally misrepresented what he said. He literally said, "if you prefer to eat something or it makes you feel better all the more power to you" he was quoting Jeffrey Dahmer.
Honest curiosity here...if we aren't meant to eat meat, why have we evolved to like the taste so much? I'm gradually transitioning to veganism, but can't deny that I miss the taste.
I'm not religious but for those that are this is a quote from Genesis 1:29, : And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Similar to how the research on plant-based diets includes a lot of refined food consumers clouding the data, the meat eaters include a lot of processed meats and fatty industrial diseased animals. As a mostly whole-food vegan, as much as I want to, I can't say that a mostly wfpb diet with 5-10% of calories from well-raised/fed animals (still slaughtered horribly) would produce negative health outcomes compared to mostly wfpb vegan diet with 5-10% from protein isolates and oils (my diet). We know the mechanisms of animal products that cause damage but can we negate those to some degree that abates long-term negative health outcomes? Anecdotally, I did equally well recovering from some serious health problems with both diets. I can't even say that 100% whole food plant-based diet would produce statistically significant outcomes compared to either type of mostly wfpb diet... well, not enough significance that I could push myself to be 100% wfpb. More research is needed comparing the variations of mostly or fully whole-food diets.
It is proven fact that humans are genetically closest to the chimpanzees and bonobos (equally related to both). It is a fact that we’re in the family of hominids, along with the other great apes. Most biologists agree that, while apes may occasionally eat eggs and various animals, the majority of their diet comes from plants - mostly fruit and leaves. Why would humans differ so greatly from all other great apes? It boggles my mind that we’re still acting like this is some, impossible to solve mystery.
Yup, and my research on the subject has shown that the best food for humans is fruit, second to fruit dark leafy greens, then perhaps nuts, tubers, and on down the line.
Why would vegans be sensitive to seeing human cadavers? What does that mean? We want to learn about the body...we need to see cadavers just like anyone who wants to learn.
Most vegans I know don't say we're "meant" to but rather "we can thrive" being vegan. Supply chain has solved a lot of the reasons we evolutionarily resorted to/depended on meat.
It’s true that humans are not terribly similar to herbivores. We are primarily frugivores. And meat to us is similar to cooked food - we have some minor adaptations that allow us to process them but in many more ways these foods are harmful. Our natural diet is primarily frugivorous and raw.
Nope it isn't. Legumes are one of the best if not the best type of food for humans. No reason to limit yourself to raw fruits for worse health outcomes.
I think of humans as "adaptavores" - a flexitarian if you will .... we CAN eat a wide variety as a survival mechanism, plus cultural, technological tools (aka cooking and fermenting) opens up even more options. Which is WHY its a choice, for most people. For some people, they really dont do well on one diet or another due to allergies or gut issues- the joys
Hey Mic, Al from DSM. When I originally went into a Vegan diet, my health was in serious decline. My blood test numbers were off the charts in some cases, blood pressure was crazy, I had a small heart attack, but yet it was a heart attack. I had also crossed into type 2 unknowingly. I had been watching movies like “Forks over knives” many RUclips videos including yours which I had stumbled upon, and when I learned what I was facing ahead of me because the type 2 scared me of all things, I pulled the trigger and just told my wife that I was switching my diet just to see what happens. I would cook her and the boys anything they wanted but I was making something different for myself. She surprisingly went along and telling me she really didn’t like eating meat anyway. Long story summarized. I ate vegan for ONLY 6 wks and had my blood redrawn because my doctor wanted to set up a diet plan for the type 2 mainly. Blood was drawn and every single bad count on my blood test was normal or better. No more type 2 and my blood pressure had came down remarkably. So that was my experience in what it did for my body. I did it for selfish reasons, but it opened up so many people that I knew to lessening their meat consumption just by that story and them seeing the change in me.
The only question mark honestly is B-12... And that's because Adenosylcobalamin and Methylcobalamin are two forms of B-12 that your body needs... So unless you're consuming Seaweed or a Fortified supplement with both forms.. chances are you'll be deficient.
Idk if you’re talking about humans in general or just people who eat a plant based diet, but that’s a good question for all humans, since omnivores get their B12 from fortified foods as well… including the animals they eat, which were injected with the supplement before they were slaughtered. Animal bodies do not just naturally have all this B12 to sustain us.
I 100% thought he was wearing a bathrobe
Lol me too I had to look at the details then I saw it’s wasn’t. 😂
Lol
Lol same thought he was going for a hugh Hefner vibe
@@84Mazzy lmao all he needs is a Plantboy Mansion 😂
Comfiness is always #1 priority
I became a whole food low vegan about two and a half years ago. I lost 50lbs and my cholesterol with medication dropped from 258 to 154 without medication. I was also able to get my blood pressure down to 112/70 and stop both of my blood pressure medications. The best part of the change has been in my joints. They now feel supple and limber. My inflammation has decreased dramatically. All of my joints are pain free. These are great results for me being a 61 year old man. To get started I recommend Dr. Michael Greger’s book How Not to Die. It’s my nutrition bible.
I love Dr. Greger!
Also look into Dr.Caldwell Esselstyn as well as his wife Anne and his daughter Jane Esselstyn.
@johnnystill5587 Everyone I know seems to be quite happy taking their meds for high blood pressure, cholesterol, diabetes, etc. They all believe it is an inevitable result of aging. God forbid you tell them that plants can solve their problems. It's really quite interesting the attachment people have for the foods that destroy them. Particularly since animal consumption is such a disgusting practice, that everyone loves so much, ironically.
@@user-no2mz9hl4f How Not to Die”? Yeah, snake oil salesmen have been popular for years. The authors probably won’t make to nearly the age they expect. Total BS.
@@user-no2mz9hl4f He just turned 50 years of age is all! So you’re Dr. Greger has a long way to go before personally proving any of his ridiculous claims. Plus, he’s not without his critics: “Harriet A. Hall has written that, while it is well-accepted that it is more healthy to eat a plant-based diet than a typical Western diet, Greger often overstates the known benefits of such a diet as well as the harm caused by eating animal products (for example, in a talk, he claimed that a single meal rich in animal products can "cripple" one's arteries), and he sometimes does not discuss evidence that contradicts his strong claims.[29]
Joe Schwarcz of McGill University has commented that although Greger takes his information from respected science journals and produces impressive videos, he has a vegan agenda and is known for cherry picking of data.[30]
I am a med student and most profs are very anti-vegan which is mostly brought up during lessons about anaemia or omega-3. I find it a bit disheartening because we could learn about plant-based sources of nutrients so we could be better doctors for our future patients, instead of getting comments like “the only way vegans get protein is if there is a worm on their cabbage leaf”.
Their dismissive attitude also makes me scared of asking them about treating nutritional deficiencies in vegans because from their perspective, the only adequate solution would be eating meat and dairy.
So I wish we would actually learn about vegan diet and proper nutrition instead of profs labelling vegans as this crazy quirky community who only eat carrots 🥕
That's really sad
Lisa maybe write the President or other leaders of the school about this.
That sentence is not just offensive but biologically stupid. If only animals have protein in their bodies (like the worm) how the fuck do they get them? From air? I think most doctor teachers are just white cis mediocre men who think they're geniuses lol.
I'm a smart-ass so I'd ask them for proof for any of their BS claims. I'd shove a cronometer of my daily intake of protein, which is higher than what the USDA daily recommendations are, in their face. I'd ask them why they are spreading misinformation about protein that was debunked back in the 40's. I'd ask them why they are going against the recommendations of health organizations like the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics, the WHO, CDC, and even the HEAVILY animal agriculture lobbied USDA says you're fine eating 100% plants. I'd ask them why they are trying to cause the next COVID-19 pandemic and why they want antibiotic resistance to destroy modern medicine. The CDC calls antibiotic resistance a global health threat and states animal agriculture is a large driver in that. Even animals who weren't fed antibiotics gives us their antibiotic resistance when we eat them.
Also, how is their erectile dysfunction? But again, I'm a smart-ass. lol
some people just don't burden themselves with the facts, do they? Even a potato has a worthwhile amount of protein in it.
There are videos of deers and cows eating birds. It happens. Doesn't mean they are meat eaters. It's called calorie opportunity.
I swallowed a fly a couple of times. Am I a Dipteravore?
Sheep also eat chicks/eggs of ground nesting birds to restore their calcium supplies faster after giving birth. Should people now call them omnivore?!
@amalielk great apes are omnivore
it means that they are poor hunters, which is why they eat plants. If you see a herbivore come across meat of some sort they prioritise it over the plants. Some become frantic at the site of an animal they can eat. This isnt a mistake. We are very good hunters its why we have 4.5 million years of evidence that we evolved eating an almost entirely meat based diet. That might be an uncomfortable truth, but its a truth all the same.
they also ferment plant fiber into short chain fatty acids (saturated fats). Gorillas for example are on a high fat, moderate protein diet. Like we should be. Its how they metabolise the indigestible plant fibers that they eat. Not a vegan high carb diet like some claim.@@akiramiller9025
Respect the continuous high-quality work you do Mic. Thank you! :)
We appreciate the work you do too! 💚
Woow. You truly are a giver, Florian! #RichGuy
Is this a new form of viewer support in line with the essence of the super chat?
Thanks so much, I really appreciate it Florian!! I will keep it going
@@MictheVegan Very much welcome Mic! :)
Hi, Mike! I appreciate all the info you put out. You’re awesome. 👌
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@@wyliehj Thanks. :)
Thanks so much, I appreciate the support!!
@@MictheVegan Can you make a response to Dr Mike's video on cholesterol. It demands a smackdown.
Since going wholefood plantbased, I've had the best teeth ever. No plaque, no tartar, my dental hygienist was even a bit annoyed last time I saw her, because she didn't need to do anything...
My tooth decay literally stopped completely lol refined sugar needd to stop as well though
Same here. My hygienist literally spends just 20 minutes cleaning my teeth. She says I don't have the build up that most people have especially on the bottom teeth. She doesn't even know I'm vegan.
😂😂 I can say the same on the carnivore diet. But your teeth will suffer with veganism long term.
@@richardcardinale7152 😢troll
@@search4omniscience don't be sad my friend, all is alright , continue to sleep, all gonna be alright. ❤️🍖
Mike I’m soooooo glad you did a response to this!!!! 🌱💚🌱 THANKU!!!!!
You're a gem. Ty for addressing this.
Again, Excellent work. You are so thorough and logical in your videos. Thank you !
I have worked at being Plant-Based for about twenty years and have not paid much attention to the issues. Recently I made a pro-plant response to a recent Fat2 RUclips video. What surprised me was the large number of responses to my comment. I was not aware how far to the extreme all of these "Carnivore" supporters have gone. Everyone thinks they are lions. I did recommend your channel.--- Fat Chance! Thanks Mike.
I always recommend the “carnivores” mic’s vegan/carnivore diet swap video!
Yeah those guys from my experience can be quite unstable and emotionally attached to their carnivore beliefs, you won't exactly be barking up the tree of reason when discussing this with them.
Vegans are not believer , of course 😂
Carnivore for life ❤️🍖🌹
@@richardcardinale7152 Even if I wanted to be a Carnivore I could not afford it. Also, the real paleo diet included bugs, grubs, and organs. I am reading Denis Minger's "Death By Food Pyramid". I find it a balanced presentation. The book is published by Primal Press. A diet is a long term investment.
Were we "meant" to turn this earth into literal hell on earth for trillions of animals? Were we "meant" to be literally SATANIC? 🤔 THAT guys obsession with what humans were "meant" to be is pretty disturbing. Thank you always for excellent work Mic the Vegan 👍👍
Well said.
Very well said
Were ment to get well skilled at life's dodge ball, & try to understand things , & grow up ,try to get happy, it can only help , your diet can effect this , 💖
@@proudchristian77 Yes, your diet can effect this. So in that light, it's a poor conclusion that the fellow in the video being reviewed gives, about what we're "meant" to eat. We can choose to eat things that are healthy for us, and our essentially herbivore digestive tract, as Mic illustrated.
Animals eat animals lol wtf is the difference lmao
Canines can evolve through sexual selection--male intra-sexual competition. Hence the canines in Gorillas, Chimps, and possibly the tiny vestigial ones we have.
Except tiny vestigial teeth are no good in a male vs male fight, so you make no sense on that one. Hippo's teeth however, are primarily weapons like deer antlers.
@@OliHandy2008 Vestigial means that the original function has been lost or mostly lost. Upper body strength is the primary determinant of male fighting ability, not teeth. A couple million years ago, maybe.
Chimps are omnivores. They have been seen hunting small monkeys and eating them.
@@hmbdatayou tried. Trust me it matters
Obligatory carnivores get sick/potentially die if they eat large amount of plants to obtain nutrients. Obligatory herbivores will get prion disease/get sick if they consume meat. Using cecum as a reason to steer away from plant based diet is a poor rationale because we are made to eat starch not extract calories from fiber. This is just my hypothesis, but I think we are designed to eat starch based plant focused diet that can occasionally get away with eating carcass during food shortage when no other starch source is available. But yeah I think people arguing humans are carnivores are nonsensical as people saying cardio exercise is bad for health. Humans are by design made as long distance running machine. That's why we sweat, and we obtain energy from starch.
In nature we likely ate both. It’s possible we obtained most of our energy from starch and most of our protein from meat. Not hard to look at how natives that were still pre agriculture ate like.
"Obligatory herbivores will get prion disease/get sick if they consume meat" lmao read something before you say such stupid shit. During the mad cow outbreak in the UK after the cows, carnivore animals in the zoos were one of the first affected by the misfolded proteins. pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21936725/ obviously animals with lower stomach ph like humans, lions, dogs, etc are less likely to get vCJD than herbivores
@@millerstation92 actually carnivores ph is below one whereas we are 1-4 depending on what we eat. Our intestines are also much longer. Seems like we have good capability to eat meat and plants just like existing tribes still eat, it’s not rocket science. We would not have colour vision if we were carnivores or the most amylase of any mammal in the stomache but also even in our saliva
I am going to use one of the articles for my research paper, thank you for this information
I used to eat meat a lot. Now I don’t eat any. I’m the same person. But now my LDL and weight are much healthier. Thanks Mic for all the great points. But what about the dead bodies?
Was it linoleic feed meat like chicken or grain finished beef?
@@thintible7349 does it matter? Why do a deep dive into the quality of meat they ate in the past if they're going forward with a plant based diet? They feel great and they are thriving by every available measure. Why would they shift gears now and spend $ on grass fed grass finished beef when they are happy with their results?
@@AmyKozerski It's hardly a deep dive. Did they eat good quality meat or trash? Grass finished ground beef is very cheap (bio available nutrition/$)
How do you know " They feel great and they are thriving by every available measure" - I'm guessing you have no clue, just blowing smoke up the vegan ass
make no mistake law requires all animals are filled with antibiotics prior to slaughter. Outside of antibiotics is illegal in the USA@@AmyKozerski
So glad you're doing this one! I've watched a lot of their anatomy videos but this one bothered me greatly.
Why it's bothered you? You can't handle the truth?
@@richardcardinale7152 you mean "truth"
@@ojk14325b Will see in some years when we got more REAL data's about the ill effects of veganism lol.
Excellent video. I had watched this video because it appeared in my feed and yes, the title was interesting but had thought the logic was off. Thanks for another excellent video! Cheers from Toronto
As always, informative and smarter than other commentators.
What about instead of peddling backwards we FOCUS ON HERE AND NOW AND THE FUTURE! What we do more of now we will adapt to. Now we can eat plant exclusive. The future we want is food forest that support diverse ecosystems, community gardens, food not lawns, vaganic farms, etc rather than slaughterhouses. Let's continue taking our adaptation to plants, the only nonviolent, sustainable, and healthiest way. ❤
I've just tried the carnivore diet in a desperate attempt to cure a health problems. Long story short I felt like I was dying from being poisoned.
cuz you were
You can’t eat just meat or just plants. You have to eat a healthy amount of both. It’s how our bodies our built. If you eat just meat then you become obese, if you eat just plants then you become underweight.
The operational overhead of gathering enough plants to eat and doing the same day after day - because historically there are no supermarkets or refrigerators - makes this notion laughable. Animals are energy dense. Plants are not.
Also about 90% of people who choke on food do so on meat. Carnivores do not choke on the prey that they eat, and they don't even chew there meat, they bite, rip and swallow huge pieces of it, and nothing gets stuck.
Wait what ? This is such a weird fact. Like I choked on water many times.. does that mean..?
@@Magickfae By choking it is implied that you would of died if intervention would not have been administered. With water or rice or fruits goes down the wrong pipe, you cough a couple of times and your fine. But with meat or cheese because it is hard to break it down specially if it hasn't been highly processed can get stuck in your airway and you have to either go and fish it out yourself or do the Heimlich Maneuver. You never do that with water or vegan food unless you try swallowing a whole grape, but if you bite into the grape then there is no chance of you choking on it and dying. Animals that are made for predation don't choke on meat or fish or flesh, they rip the biggest piece they can fit in their mouth and they swallow without chewing. But most people who choke and die do so on meat.
Good video!
"We can get nutrition from carrots and meat so that makes us omnivores." - So can cows and literally every other mammal. Everyone can digest and get nutrition from meat but we're not labeling cows are omnivores for that reason.
You brought it up briefly but I think it needs to be mentioned that ONLY herbivores get heart disease from saturated fat. You'll never give a dog or cat heart disease from meat.
And animal fats don't cause heart disease while eating low carbs , no oils , no grains etc 😁👌
@@richardcardinale7152 You probably confuse that with losing weight.
@@carinaekstrom1 no no, no confusion here. Meat and animal fat are healthy 😁
@@richardcardinale7152 enjoy your high cholesterol 🙃
@@rollsaroundindirt yes , very anti-inflammatory , calming for the nervous system, good for my hormones , excellent for my sex drive etc etc lol. I'm really sorry for you.
All this great information while wearing a bathrobe. 😂 Great vid!
H.R. I thought the same thing but it’s just a high collar knitted sweater 😂😊
😁👍
It's a sweater with a shawl collar.
Our small intestines don’t do that great of a job fermenting a ton of fibers. It’s better made for more quick absorbing foods
Humans don't have 'actual' canine teeth. We have teeth that are 'called' and titled 'canines', but they aren't actual canines
This is a most infuriating topic to me.
The general public and especially the carnivore minded individuals are completely impervious to common sense when it comes to this.
Most of the points being made here are so plainly logical and perfectly track everything we know about human health and yet most people are prone to reject them all on the spot without any or very poor reasoning or evidence to support their position. Drives me nuts.
Logic has been absent in hunans for centuries.
Unfortunately that is also the case for vegans on other topics.
No one can find all logic but thinking critically and question our behaviour and question where big money is made is one good attitude/step.
Sorry that the truth offend you. Yes they are more and more carnivore , because it is our natural diet and it cure almost all lol. So for sure you will see more and more of us. They are so many ex vegans coming on the carnivore woe , if you only knew , you will cry hahaha
lol. vegans have a short lifespan. no one needs to listen to your cult and pseudoscience
@@richardcardinale7152 Are you, by chance, a flat-Earther?
@@tnijoo5109 hahaha, of course the shape of the earth have something to do with our discussion. It's a poor argument but I know it will win a lot of dumb people lol
Ethics aside, it seems like we are 95% whole food plant based diet with lean animals like bugs, oysters, and wild animals occasionally. Similar to chimpanzee except with starch being our main part of our diet instead of fruit.
Sounds right to me. But for superior health in today's world we can use B12 instead of oysters, bugs, etc, so we don't need to worry about toxic contaminations, parasites, etc.
Seems based on what? There are no bugs, oysters and most plants easily available in large parts of the planet during winters so seems pretty obvious we ate largely what we hunted and fished during those times before agriculture.
@@cyberfunk3793 And humans did not live full time in places with cold winters until very recently.
@@carinaekstrom1 "By reanalysing human skull fragments discovered four decades ago in Greece, an international team of researchers now believe that an early modern human migration out of Africa may have reached Europe by at least 210,000 years ago."
@@cyberfunk3793 There have been many migrations back and forth. People, as well as other animals were generally nomads, moving with the seasons. Even today, extremely few humans live where plant foods are hard to find. And whatever plants those people can find they cherish.
Canines are generally associated with carnivores and when including carnassials, they are defining features of carnivores. He just glazed thru the teeth topic... Also, when someone says we didn't get our meat from teeth, we got it from tools. That ends the "evolved to meat argument" right there. Clearly humans did not.
Did we not evolve to hunt? Why do all human societies hunt? And eat meat? Is it because the 'meat industry' paid them?
Well, nothing beats a nice bacon and beef cheeseburger!
Wtf are you talking about? Do vultures have canines? You can be a meat eater and not have canines.
I LOVE how he acknowledged the comment section is gonna be "something special" 🤣
not enough discussion of the great apes, most of whom are still frugivores and with whom we share similar digestive systems with
My current favorite nutrition channel is "Nutrition Made Simple." Dr. Gil, despite being a vegan himself, has no agenda and simply follows the evidence. I hate propaganda, whether for a good or bad cause.
He’s a very rare type of RUclipsr
Yeah Gils channel is high class and much much better than these blindly vegan propaganda channels (like this) or the carnivore propaganda channels.
@@singularity6761 this channel is very biased abut still has good info. would say the carnivores are still way more blind than channels like this. They are on another level.
I've always approached the argument like this:
I couldn't care less about what we "evolved" to eat. What we know how is how to eat for optimal health and for the vast majority of the population - vegan.
pretty simple.
But how we evolved - clearly early man was an opportunity eater and what they ate depended greatly on where they lived. To conclude anything beyond humans evolved to be able to eat anything doesn't mean that is how we should eat and is a simple appeal to tradition / nature.
Eat what is best for the vast majority of people and make minor adjustments if you need to but based on actual blood tests and not a 'how I feel" thing. How people feel is quite often made up in their head based on what they expect to feel rather than reality.
Whole plants for the win.
There is no such things as a healthy vegan , whole food or not 🤣❤️🍖
@@richardcardinale7152 yes there is. Oh, and by the way, not all vegans are as conceited as Mic was in this video. It put me off as well. Some of us are tolerant, accommodating, and understand that people have the right to choose whatever diet gives them the most out of life. Healthy or not.
@@strangerdanger8462 What's your blood type?
I don’t care what teeth I have, and what I was ‘meant’ to eat. I’m vegan, don’t eat my friends the animals, and a side benefit is that In mid 50s I’m healthy as a 20 years old
I eat a plantbased diet, some of my friends eat plantbased, some are vegetarian and some are omnivore. We all get along. When we have our
togethers we accommodate each other. Eat what you want and get along.
I'm sorry to all the human victims that I've forced to go vegan with the power of my words on Twitter alone.
Yes ! Same here bro.
But it's not sarcasm haha
I have been enjoying the Human Anatomy channel recently, so interesting to see this link. A little sad he wouldn't take a definitive view, but hard to really fault him. Most people will eat what their friends and family eat.
I'm more disheartened that they weren't factually correct. To me that is the greatest issue. Makes me not want to watch the channel anymore. Frankly if they are going to lie about this, what else are they lying about.
If we evolved to eat meat then why can we still make vitamin A, cholesterol, and omega 3 from plant sources? One of the rules of evolution is: that which is used gets stronger, that which is not used wastes away. So if early humans were getting an abundance of these nutrients preformed from animal sources, we should have lost the ability to make them ourselves? Just like we lost the ability to make vitamin C because we were getting all we needed from fruits and vegetables.
Exactly, good points!
If we didn't evolve eating meat, why do we need B12 from meat or suplements?
@@cyberfunk3793 The amount of B12 needed is extremely small, and no one says we didn't get it mostly from animal matter, although there are possibilities we also got it through dirt, water and some plants, especially fermented ones. The animal matter needed could for example be from the bugs on our plantfoods, or a couple of oysters per week. Not a whole lot needed as long as the absorption is functional. I was a vegetarian for 42 years and never took a supplement, so no meat necessary at all. I had dairy then.
@@carinaekstrom1 No one? There are people in this comment section speculating we got 95% of our calories form plant sources even before agriculture which is obviously nonsense.
@@cyberfunk3793 Other great apes in the wild get most of their calories from plants. They don't have agriculture!
I saw something a while back that said we developed such a wide range of colour vision so we could tell which berries were ripe and good to eat.....
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@@richardcardinale7152 you need to read more
Carnivores probably think we have such great colourvision because we wanted to make pretty pictures of animals on rockwalls..
@@11235Aodh 😂👌
I remember him saying that science isn't upto date on what we should eat, but that's just a complete wrong statement, if you look at all of the studies that are published in the scientific journals then you can easily see that we do have tonssss of data on human health outcomes data in relation to food, and if you put that all together, then we can 100% see that a plantbased diet is overpowered with health promoting health outcomes.
can you link one study that is showing that plant-based diet is overpowered?
If our ability to derive calories from both animals and plants makes us an omnivore, then all animals are omnivores. Feed your pet bunny meat and eventually watch it die of a heart attack. Feed your pet cat rice and watch it develop diabetes.
You can believe 1 of 2 things: Either we're omnivores and we're designed to get sick, live with pain, and die of disease, OR we're herbivores and disease is unnatural.
Thanks. Very good as we have come to expect. The part about pandas was surprising, I didn't think of that and I suppose would need to look into it. Anyhow, good sound points especially at the end in fact right through. Nice to compare nutritional research on the earth's population to a giant observational laboratory sort of thing... well thank you again, good wishes.
Much needed video! Glad to be a supporter! Well done!
Hi Faraz! 👋👋
Prehistoric diets are interesting because they're history, but they're not a prescription for what we should be eating now. For that we should refer to the tens of thousands of much more relevant studies on modern humans.
Try catching a squirrel on your own. Not as easy as collecting acorns. Sure humans ate meat but they relied on a few who were good at hunting. If you weren't and did not have the social clout to receive meat from others, nature equipped you to go extended periods eating food that does not run away or bite or scratch. I am sure that hermits have always existed because dealing with people can be too much, and they could go very long eating food with low injury potential.
I love that channel! And i 1000% think its awesome they have HUMAN bodies for education - donating your body to science (to ethical institutes) is a great use
Another excellent video Mic. One thing I would’ve liked to have heard discussed is primatology. How our intestinal length compares to gorillas and chimpanzees orangutans, our closes great ape cousins, and other morphology. It would’ve also been nice to hear about how we know that some primates, chimpanzees and baboons are opportunistic meat consumers, hunters or scavengers as well as eaters of insects. Did ancestral humans have similar behaviors that may have affected our brain development and physical changes? Why humans changed to have smaller molars, weaker jaws and muscles for chewing compared to our predecessors and contemporaries like gorillas with their tremendous bite force and muscle attachments at the sagital crest of their skull used for prolonged chewing and processing of raw plant material as opposed to cooked plant material or cultivated plants and or meat, sea food etc. How did our evolution change us one our environment changed from forest to grasslands and as we walked the Earth adapting with tool use, fire and culturally from hunters and gatherers to agriculturist and state level societies. Big topic! More videos please! Keep up the good work!
Everything that changed can be attributed to cooking. By cooking, a lot more nutrients and calories could be utilized. Sure, cooked meat was also contributing, but if we had used it a lot we would probably tolerate it better by now.
@@carinaekstrom1 wtf are you saying?!? Meat is the best food for humans and the most tolerated like you said haha.
Each time someone eat meat , there is some carbs and refine carbs with it , and / or oil .. so yeah it's normal that's people feeling sick af with that. When you only eat meat and fat , your digestion will be so happy.
Ps I had cure my chron disease, and many more things, with all meat diet.
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@@richardcardinale7152 I suggest you watch Simon Hill about the carnivore diet.
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@@carinaekstrom1 sorry don't need anymore false propaganda , since i was vegans for 10 years , I read and see all the vegan arguments and I cannot fail for it anymore , sorry for you, but you will never convince me.
I think it's ultimately irrelevant whether humans evolved to be omnivores or herbivores. Either was possible. Panda bears are carnivora that eat only plants. We evolved from herbivores who supplemented with and sometimes depended on hunting. Carnivores aren't evil.
But suppose we were intelligent life that evolved from obligate carnivores like cats. The issue of climate change would be the same. The inhumane treatment of animals in factory farms would be the same. What would change would be the health benefits of being vegan and the urgency of developing lab-grown meats. The ethical problem of causing suffering to sentient beings would remain, and as the sophistication of our society and technology grew, it would become more morally wrong to disregard it and do nothing to change how we survived.
As it is, our ancestors may have survived hard times by eating meat, but we not only don't have to anymore, it's actually bad for our health. We are lucky to not only not have any excuses, but to instead have strong incentive to do better by the animals and the climate.
Exactly!
I now have to Google about the man who ate an airplane.. & 18 bikes. Thanks Mic
No mention of amylase? We start digesting our grains in the mouth, while chewing. And yes, the grains need to be cooked, otherwise you'll lose your teeth within a week.
They need to be cooked mainly (i've been looking into making barley milk but wanted to go raw) because of contaminations via animal feces, raw grains aren't prepped ready for use to eat, like steel cut oats are.
@@11235Aodh Lol...cooking is done to make food much more digestible and palatable. You wiil not eat beans or rice uncooked.
@@dartfather No ofcourse not, but i don't think i mentioned making milk from raw beans or rice did i? Certain grains should be fine and keeping them raw as possible helps retain vitamins.
@@11235AodhYou said grains have feces that's why you need to cook it. The feces are still in the milk you created from grains.
@@dartfather Yes, that's what i said i found out didn't i? That it was not possible because of contamination to have the grains completely raw. So i can now cook them 5 mins to kill the bacteria instead of cooking it 20-30 mins to actually eat it.
The guy makes good points, but quite a bit of what he says is either false or misleading....typically the latter. But it is very obvious that physiologically we are herbivores, well, a frugivore and starchivore hybrid of sorts, to be specific based on just how health promoting such foods are, as well as how efficiently we assimilate them, both calorically and nutritionally. So the guy is wrong in stating that we don't have a definite answer...we most certainly do.
Personally I don’t really trust anatomists to make health claims.
That’s a bias I have after my teacher made a bunch of dubious claims and tried to back it up with anatomical knowledge which made no sense.
It’s like some sort of delusional confidence that comes from memorizing anatomical facts or something.
"More recent analyses based on Murdock's Ethnographic Atlas (3) have, in contrast, suggested that most (73%) of hunter-gatherer societies derived >50% of their calories from meat (including wild game and fished foods), while only 14% of societies derived >50% of their calories from plants (4)."
"But it is very obvious that physiologically we are herbivores" herbivores don't have a stomach acid ph of 1.5, herbivores don't absorve nutrients in the small intestine and most importantly herbivores get enough b12 from eating many many pounds of dirty leaves and many times eating their own shit to recycle b12. I rather let the herbivore eat the shitty grass to get b12 and then eat the herbivore
Love it. A minute since the video got uploaded and already 5 likes. Mic the Vegan notification squad 😅
This issue always leaves me a little bemused. As someone who is not a vegan but completely endorses veganism as an ethical stance, I would say it doesn't really matter what humans are evolutionarily adapted to. We can be "vegan" whatever the case.
It matters if you want to be healthy, doesn't it?
@@carinaekstrom1 yes, but I mean in the sense that veganism isn't dependent upon things being one way or the other. All that can influence is the extent to which we can enact the ethics. For example, even if it turned out humans *have* to eat meat, it doesn't follow that we have to farm animals the way we do because our ethical duty would prevent such systems as CAFOs.
@@graememcelligott8874 Right, but I don't think a lot of people would choose to be vegan if it could not be done in a healthy way, ethics or not. But even if it was the case that people need meat for health there is no excuse any more now that we will have access to lab meat.
@@carinaekstrom1 yes there is an excuse lol would you prefer lab plants or real plants.
@@knockingseeker I would prefer the healthiest and more ethical plants, regardless of origin.
If I’m understanding his position, and humans don’t necessarily need to eat one way or another to survive, then why not choose the option that causes the least harm to 100s of billions of animals? Seems pretty obvious to me.
because meat eating has a longer lifespan for health survival.
Lately on the radio where I live there is a commercial that has been playing stating that a person dies every 5 minutes on earth from heart disease. The commercial goes on to say the that if “you” donate money to this organization they will use that money to find a cure for heart disease and stroke. In my head I’m just laughing and thinking I know the cure already and it’s free you morons!
bingo. stay away from vegan food, especially if it is refined
@@GarudaLegends lol ya that’s why heart disease kills so many people because they are eating plants.
@@barry394139 meat eaters live the longest
@@GarudaLegends trolls live too long!
@@barry394139 vegans literally die prematurely. so eat your unhealthy rabbit food, take your supplement like a good little slave, and rip
Agree except for one thing. What controls the evolutionary adaption is what made us survive to reproductive age -not who avoids a heart attack at 60 or cancer at 70.
Why is that when people talk about human diet they always bring up Inuit when they make up .00000000000001 percent of all people who exist while all large societies lived on a 90-99% plant based diet. Haha
Basically what I have come to understand with nature and natural diets is that you want to keep is varied of a gut biome as possible but ultimately stick to a core diet. And I think that is what we are observing with rhinos and the occasional eating of meat and other animals that mostly eat plant based but will be omnivorous as a way to balance their diet.
Just like the soil, we are feeding our bacteria, not our stomach.
It seems to me, that humans would have primarily eaten plant foods (much easier to catch) and only eaten animals when the potatoes ran out (pun not intended 😅) Because come on, even animal eaters admit that roast potatoes are the best part of the meal (and if they don't they are lying/cannot cook 🤣)
Meat is my best part from a meal , 6 month in a carnivore diet , it's so goddamn good , and feel amazing. Not one vegan feel so good , I telling you. 🍖❤️
potatoes only arrived in Europe 500 years ago
@@yingyang1008 There are plenty of other things to eat then potatoes.
@@wanashthegash potatoes only arrived in Europe 500 years ago
@@wanashthegash List them then - I grew up next to forest and all I saw was tiny berries for a couple of months in summer and acorns for a few months in winter
It's freezing cold half the year, with nothing growing and you need to feed a small tribe
Go head - tell me how you would do it
Excellent video, I see your subscribers keep adding up. See you on a few years Mic when you reach a million, it is bound to happen.
Perhaps a topic worth a full video in its own right, rather than as a response video. ✌️🌱
Has anyone else noticed a trend of people making the statement “There’s no one size fits all diet.”? Funny, that wasn’t a common catch phrase when general dietary recommendations were made via a pyramid that included full fat animal dairy and meat for protein several times a day.
We are big apes, period. If you go in the street and you see a dead bird in the floor you don't start salivating.
If you were hungry in the jungle you might. You’d cook it though.
Plant based might be healthiest but we are not just big apes 🦧
@@knockingseeker big apes also eat meat if they're in an extreme situation. Dogs can eat grass too. We're technically big apes, that's not an subjective appreciation. We cannot eat raw meat, unless is very well conserved, or we die. You can eat rotten vegetables and most probably nothing really bad will happen to you.
@@juno6yeah but we are nothing like just a big ape.. If you were in the jungle in nature you would search for meat to cook and edible plants and being stuck in nature is not an extreme situation. Not to say that in modern society vegan isn’t possible or healthy but obviously we are not apes and we would behave much differently in nature than an ape.
@@knockingseeker by big I meant great....www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fimages-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com%2Ff%2Fc14e9d11-bc34-42aa-a328-e7f79e7328ae%2Fd4sh0uc-69864d72-71fb-437b-9139-476e5a00d73f.jpg%2Fv1%2Ffill%2Fw_900%2Ch_637%2Cq_75%2Cstrp%2Fgreat_ape_size_chart_by_harry_the_fox_d4sh0uc-fullview.jpg%3Ftoken%3DeyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7ImhlaWdodCI6Ijw9NjM3IiwicGF0aCI6IlwvZlwvYzE0ZTlkMTEtYmMzNC00MmFhLWEzMjgtZTdmNzllNzMyOGFlXC9kNHNoMHVjLTY5ODY0ZDcyLTcxZmItNDM3Yi05MTM5LTQ3NmU1YTAwZDczZi5qcGciLCJ3aWR0aCI6Ijw9OTAwIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmltYWdlLm9wZXJhdGlvbnMiXX0.ivuzBRQWQuims2utgkeaoxE40EjjsOVFv_HpX6RcBew&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.deviantart.com%2Fharry-the-fox%2Fart%2FGreat-Ape-Size-Chart-289688196&tbnid=NrTO9a0jtWfhBM&vet=1&docid=H8TrpmxCzTtUGM&w=900&h=637&itg=1&source=sh%2Fx%2Fim
@@juno6 yeah we are not though. Very different than apes. Sorry but if you think we are apes then maybe you are somewhat similar to them intelligence wise.
Dr Milton Mills has a few very good videos available on RUclips where he goes through systematically in very simple terms the evolutionary and biological evidence for why the human body is adapted to a herbivore not carnivore diet.
he lied and said that our stomach ph isn't very acidic and didn't touch on how you get B12 deficiency if you don't eat animals that bioaccumulated already by eating dirt
Milton’s lectures need to actually be watched to understand the full scope of his thesis rather than evaluating it on arguments that are peripheral.
It would be so much easier if we reproduced, lived until 30-40 and died. I was OK on Paleo until 50 and then BP started to go up. So had to go WFPBSOS free to get it back down.
Why would we have sharp canines when we have big brains to make sharp canine weapons?
Whether tools were used or not to hunt an animal, animals of all kinds need teeth to actually chew the meat and there's little difference in the structure between the teeth of modern homosapiens and pre-historic homosapiens, and past ascendants of homosapiens.
@@davfar459 our big brains knew fire too, not just weapon making. Cooking softens muscle tissues to make food easier to chew.
Some people will justify their addiction to eating meat. It’s an addiction just like drugs and alcohol and sugar. Thanks with all they great content and information.
Try eating only meat , you will see that the true addiction come from carbs hahaha
This is such a hare- brained comment.
@@richardcardinale7152 THANK YOU!
It doesn't matter how long of a period humans choose to consume meat outside the ecological niche while the meat is processed as soon as it's consumed on a widescale basis and without selective pressure to consume less plants. Introducing tools relies on cultural forces instead of biological evolution. Humans can choose to consume animal products for 40 million years and it will still be a health compromise and humans will still lack the traits common to carnivora.
I heard that we ate animals as a form of "emergency" food, in case no plant foods are available.
"Until agriculture was developed around 10,000 years ago, all humans got their food by hunting, gathering, and fishing."
Mustve been a hell of an emergency given that we hunted most megafauna to near extinction for thousands and thousands of years. You can't survive in the wild on unreliable, seasonal plants prone to rotting & being eaten by animals. Humans followed herds and hunted to survive. The only people who disagree are folks on these channels who can't emotionally cope with anyone eating an animal.
Eat what you want..I ate mostly veggies for 20 yrs.. almost no processed food..exercised daily..Been carnavore 1.5 yrs. It cured my sinus problems,fixed my swollen prostate,improved my sleep, energy and I've put on 15 lbs of muscle and have almost no body fat..All I changed was I got rid of plants.
Great reaction video, as always!
Omnivore is still not a taxonomic classification since you'd have to put bears with pigs and goats. They're all just carnivores and herbivores eating diets that fall towards the middle. Also if we were calling anything that 'can' eat meat an omnivore then literally every animal on the planet would have to be classified as omnivore.
We're generalist herbivores who specialised in leaves/fruit then starches as we evolved.
On a personal note, I have familial hypercholesterolaemia (liver produces too much cholesterol and can't flush it away) so I definitely don't need to be eating any dietary sources of cholesterol and can do with much less saturated fat as well. Glad I've been plant based for 11 years.
Basically all animals can be "omnivores", it's such a meaningless term. And yes, humans are very crappy omnivores. Actually, we are still frugivorous herbivores.
I want to point out that with regarda to oral health its important for the study to be cross cultural. Rural and hunter gatherer populations tend to have better oral health than more urban populations that eat processed foods.
You should do a video on the mental health of slaughterhouse workers
Hello Mic! Love your content! I just saw this dumb video about how being vegan is bad, and they linked to this daily mail article called: “The great vegan diet 'con': How a plant-based lifestyle is NOT always better for your health - and could lead to brittle bones, anemia and hair loss” this was posted 10 of November. Would you mind responding to this with your brilliance? Oh and it was sky news doing the coverage of it, if that’s of interest
The Daily Mail is such a great source 😂, but, to be serious, people read those articles and take them seriously. Not good.
You totally misrepresented what he said. He literally said, "if you prefer to eat something or it makes you feel better all the more power to you" he was quoting Jeffrey Dahmer.
Yay first like and comment. Love this content. Best to you and your family. Happy holidays!!!!!
Hi Marie
His baby died bro...that's harsh
Honest curiosity here...if we aren't meant to eat meat, why have we evolved to like the taste so much? I'm gradually transitioning to veganism, but can't deny that I miss the taste.
Guy in black Polo shirt forgets to mention the high level of dangerous Advanced Glycation End Products when he spoke about consuming meat and cheese.
It's quite the opposite haha , carbs is AGE's hell hahaha
You’re a staple source in the vegan community, Mic. Thanks!
I'm not religious but for those that are this is a quote from Genesis 1:29, : And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Love your work Mic, Thanks.
Similar to how the research on plant-based diets includes a lot of refined food consumers clouding the data, the meat eaters include a lot of processed meats and fatty industrial diseased animals. As a mostly whole-food vegan, as much as I want to, I can't say that a mostly wfpb diet with 5-10% of calories from well-raised/fed animals (still slaughtered horribly) would produce negative health outcomes compared to mostly wfpb vegan diet with 5-10% from protein isolates and oils (my diet). We know the mechanisms of animal products that cause damage but can we negate those to some degree that abates long-term negative health outcomes? Anecdotally, I did equally well recovering from some serious health problems with both diets. I can't even say that 100% whole food plant-based diet would produce statistically significant outcomes compared to either type of mostly wfpb diet... well, not enough significance that I could push myself to be 100% wfpb. More research is needed comparing the variations of mostly or fully whole-food diets.
love your videos...it's great that you are so comfortable making them that you can wear your bathrobe...keep up the good work!
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I thought it was a bathrobe at first, too :-D Then I realized it's a sweater and was relieved and disappointed at the same time.
Hi Mike
It is proven fact that humans are genetically closest to the chimpanzees and bonobos (equally related to both). It is a fact that we’re in the family of hominids, along with the other great apes. Most biologists agree that, while apes may occasionally eat eggs and various animals, the majority of their diet comes from plants - mostly fruit and leaves. Why would humans differ so greatly from all other great apes? It boggles my mind that we’re still acting like this is some, impossible to solve mystery.
Yup, and my research on the subject has shown that the best food for humans is fruit, second to fruit dark leafy greens, then perhaps nuts, tubers, and on down the line.
5 month carnivore here... ive healed 2 chronic illnesses and feel better than i ever have in my life! Give the carnivore diet a try guys :)
Why would vegans be sensitive to seeing human cadavers? What does that mean? We want to learn about the body...we need to see cadavers just like anyone who wants to learn.
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Does that hand emoji represent how many criminal convictions you have?
Most vegans I know don't say we're "meant" to but rather "we can thrive" being vegan. Supply chain has solved a lot of the reasons we evolutionarily resorted to/depended on meat.
nope. meat eaters outlive vegans.
@@GarudaLegends don't be ridiculous
@@veganandlovingit it is a fact, the oldest humans to ever live was not a vegan
@@GarudaLegends I told you, stop being ridiculous
@@veganandlovingit so you are saying facts are ridiculous? Do you also believe a man in a dress is a woman?
According to Genesis 1, we were created to be vegan.
I watched that video. I made a couple of comments and I'm subscribed. Earlier last month I binged watched their videos
You are by far the best vegan source on RUclips. You are so well read and present your information very clearly. Never stop making videos.
It’s true that humans are not terribly similar to herbivores. We are primarily frugivores. And meat to us is similar to cooked food - we have some minor adaptations that allow us to process them but in many more ways these foods are harmful. Our natural diet is primarily frugivorous and raw.
Nope it isn't. Legumes are one of the best if not the best type of food for humans. No reason to limit yourself to raw fruits for worse health outcomes.
Great job!
I think of humans as "adaptavores" - a flexitarian if you will .... we CAN eat a wide variety as a survival mechanism, plus cultural, technological tools (aka cooking and fermenting) opens up even more options.
Which is WHY its a choice, for most people. For some people, they really dont do well on one diet or another due to allergies or gut issues- the joys
Hey Mic, Al from DSM. When I originally went into a Vegan diet, my health was in serious decline. My blood test numbers were off the charts in some cases, blood pressure was crazy, I had a small heart attack, but yet it was a heart attack. I had also crossed into type 2 unknowingly. I had been watching movies like “Forks over knives” many RUclips videos including yours which I had stumbled upon, and when I learned what I was facing ahead of me because the type 2 scared me of all things, I pulled the trigger and just told my wife that I was switching my diet just to see what happens. I would cook her and the boys anything they wanted but I was making something different for myself. She surprisingly went along and telling me she really didn’t like eating meat anyway. Long story summarized. I ate vegan for ONLY 6 wks and had my blood redrawn because my doctor wanted to set up a diet plan for the type 2 mainly. Blood was drawn and every single bad count on my blood test was normal or better. No more type 2 and my blood pressure had came down remarkably. So that was my experience in what it did for my body. I did it for selfish reasons, but it opened up so many people that I knew to lessening their meat consumption just by that story and them seeing the change in me.
The only question mark honestly is B-12...
And that's because Adenosylcobalamin and Methylcobalamin are two forms of B-12 that your body needs...
So unless you're consuming Seaweed or a Fortified supplement with both forms.. chances are you'll be deficient.
Idk if you’re talking about humans in general or just people who eat a plant based diet, but that’s a good question for all humans, since omnivores get their B12 from fortified foods as well… including the animals they eat, which were injected with the supplement before they were slaughtered.
Animal bodies do not just naturally have all this B12 to sustain us.