My What I've Learned Response Got Debunked?
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- Опубликовано: 23 фев 2023
- Use code MIC15 for 15% off your first month's supply of Seed's DS-01® Daily Synbiotic: seed.com/mic15 . Today we respond to Plant Based Poser's video debunking my response to What I've Learned's video about why eating less meat won't save the planet. She makes claims like vegans need to eat twice as much due to low quality protein and cow water use doesn't count.
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Global Water Usage:
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50% of Western US Water Usage is Cows:
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Livestock Uses 1/3 of Freshwater Globally:
www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas...
Ogallala Aquifer Mostly Drained by Livestock:
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Oilseed Cakes for Human Consumption:
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Original Course of 86% Inedible Sacred Cow Chart:
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L. Plantarum Probiotic Study on Cholesterol:
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Protein Type, Not Animal vs Plant, Determines Muscle Mass in Elderly :
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31080...
Frailty Lower with Plant-based Protein Study: onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...
Emissions per Grams of Protein:
ourworldindata.org/less-meat-...
No, Vegans Don't Eat More Calories:
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Feedlot Weight Generally Doubles:
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"Currently, 'grass-finished' beef accounts for less than 1% of the current US supply [12]."
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Livestock Uses 30% of Ice-Free Land:
royalsocietypublishing.org/do...
Methane 20 Year Time Frame 86x CO2:
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Airborne Fraction of CO2 is 45%:
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B12 Low 50 mcg Dose Randomized Trial:
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An important point I left out is that the rainwater only ruminant idea is appealing to nirvana / an ideal situation that doesn't represent the norm of meat eating.
Also, here is the Seed link for your convenience: seed.com/mic15
Finally, Earthling Ed has a great response to the original What I've Learned video that covers some points I didn't: ruclips.net/video/DkMOQ9X76UU/видео.html
Great video Mic!
worth mentioning one of the main reasons about urine is that it contains ammonia, which turns into nitrous oxide in the soil, which is a powerful greenhouse gas.
im the one who emailed you the video, great job debunking!
Mike! Please do a video on how polluted different animal products are because even though I got rid of my leaky gut problems doing a plant-based diet: an organic cheat day is a lot less risky than any cheat day. Especially because things like butter and dairy are extremely polluted, in fact animal products are 80 to 90% more polluted then plant products. Studies have shown this since the nineties which explains why more people than ever before are having issues with things related to leaky gut because things are polluted more than ever before. I don't think people understand that chemicals are almost impossible to filter out just cuz something says it's filtered, doesn't mean there's not still Pharmaceuticals and pollutants in it. Each later of filter only removes one thing usually right?
@@d-ceasedvegans emitting GHG is desirable? wtf?
I grew up in ranch country. Used to eat meat. Our water was so pure. Then they built a feedlot on the north side of town. The stench when the wind blows from the north- unbearable and drinking water is no longer pure. Has that woman ever been near a feedlot?? So many reasons not to eat meat. Thanks for your intelligent information!!
Thanks for sharing.
I don't think a large majority of people are ever going to stop eating meat so it's kind of pointless
@@williammclean6594 I think if we end subsidies and it becomes far too expensive even hardcore meat eaters will cut back, also veganism is growing with newer generations who are young and don't have the same attachments to meat products.
@@williammclean6594 like cigarettes are more addictive than meat and we basically got everyone to stop, yeah some people still smoke cigarettes but it's nowhere near the percentage that did in the 1950s.
@@syzyphyz it's just my opinion people are not going to stop eating what they like even if it destroys the planet that's just the way people are. The only way that they're going to Less meat is when lab-grown meat becomes affordable and doesn't look gross that they have to add like colouring to it
I think the most enlightening statistics i have found, is the biomass of all mammals. As it completely takes away the "natural" argument.
60% of total mammal biomass on this planet are livestock, only 4% are wild. 36% are humans.
It shows the insane scale of meat production we need to uphold this level of meat consumption compare to wildlife that would be available as a natural food source.
Good point!
you seem to enjoy intriguing facts, so I'll add my small bit. did you know that the biomass of bacteria outweighs the biomass of all animals, i.e. humans, livestock, wild animals, birds and fish by an incredible 35 times?! the figures are astounding.
@@v.a.n.e. I hope you can see why that is irrelevant in this context..? We are comparing sentient animal organisms who need to share land area, water and otherwise similar types of resources in a way that can sustain them all.
The fact the original commentator has pointed out here is a worry scientists and biologists have been pointing out for decades for that reason. (But you are a career troll and I don't expect intelligent or honest arguments from you :) )
Ok, now compare how much that _biomass_ makes up of all biomass..
no, I don't see why that's irrelevant. you're just butthurted, which is reasonable to anticipate when the facts turn against you@@fromeveryting29
Thank you for choosing to not undermine that woman that "debunked" your debunk. You could've easily done so but you chose to be a friendly human. Makes it even nicer to watch your great content!
Good point! A lot of vegans seems to be so angry :( It's better to show the people that not every vegan is evil. We all need to be more friendlier. :)
@PETA (People Eating Tasty Animals) No, she is NOT that smart.
@@vegan.enlightenment idk, i found that woman insufferable. Arrogant, sarcastic, stupid. I would not want mic to be like that ofc, or to react with anger but i think if you get angry at it that's okay.
Mic doesn't care about her tho, he cares about educating people.
@@Apodeipnon she's so clearly spreading misinformation, it reminds me of regular media....
@@Apodeipnon i understand it is hard to keep cool with that nonsense. But even if she is that way, it’s not about her at this point. It is mostly about educating people.
What I've Learned is such a coward. He doesn't reply to anyone who calls him out for his BS. I made a video debunking his idiotic hair loss video and he swiftly banned me from his channel.
What I've Learned doesn't even acknowledge the possibility he can be wrong.
My guess is that he's an industry shill.
His number of followers is grossly out of proportion to the number of videos and quality of videos he produces.
He replied in form of writings. He isn't petty enough to create a debunk a debunk video.
Ya but who are you ? You are a nobody lol
That's not petty, we are out here wanting people to be educated.
You forgot to mention the water use for slaughter houses, that really pushes it over the top
What I've Learned just takes common low carb talking points that have been proven wrong a million times and puts them over high quality stock footage to make himself appear professional
Misinformation at its finest.
I'm quite certain his follower numbers have been purchased too.
Given that he doesn't produce videos that often and that - even looking through a "pro-meat" lens - his videos aren't that good compared to many similarly themed ones, it seems virtually inconceivable that his absurdly huge follower numbers have occurred organically.
Can you elaborate which common low carb talking points are you reffering to? Just curious.
What precisely low carb points you refer to? I'll be happy to hear
It's just cut and paste arguments, usually starting with "Once upon a Time..."
Hopefully there won’t be a debunk debunk debunk debunk, then you might need to debunk the debunk debunk debunk debunk.
stop with your messages I shall debunk the next one!
Trace busta' busta!
I call it Dede Bunkin.
to the power of 5!!!!
If there's a debunk debunk at a country & western bar, is that a honky-tonk debunk debunk?
Six years vegan and I’m still waiting to hear a valid argument to it lol
I guess you mean against it? :)
@@Perenbarn well i guess he just said to, not for, so it kinda works. im making an argument to veganism. doesnt make sense in the context youre seeing. debunking of the debunking
literally my stance for the past 8 years
Going to be waiting a long time.
@@e.h97 I'll bet 100$ on one, you?
Did she even cite anything?
Bimbo's can't read.
She said stuff .
Saying stuff against veganism = science .
She really thinks that feed for livestock is irrigated with rainwater??? Yeah please come to Portugal to see all those fields being irrigated with "rainwater". 🤣🤣🤣
PS: It rarely rains in Portugal and every year we have droughts!!!
You only have to go west of the Mississippi to see thousands of acres being irrigated.
All water is rainwater, it’s called evaporation and clouds.
@@Kayte... you didn't get the point, did you?
Just back from Portugal! It's tough being a vegan there! I admire you 💪
@@Kayte...Since when is The Mississippi in Portugal?
As I go to the gym for longer and longer the whole idea of "vegan deterioration" just seems more and more absurd, it is so out of touch with reality
You can see some people outright fetishize it almost
@@VeganKebabDoRuky so true.
Same. Never been bigger, fitter or more enduring than now, 6 years with 0 of my nutrients form animals. Feels great.
@petapeopleeatingtastyanima7074 I'll add to that anecdote, I have the same experience. 5 years for me. feels great! you should try, I used to think veganism was stupid.
@PETA (People Eating Tasty Animals) 1 anecdote is enough to disprove any absurd absolutist claims
Lest we assume eating meat is unhealthy simply because there are unhealthy people who eat meat. Ridiculous logic, teetering on mental illness.
The "What I've Learned" channel did really shoddy work on that particular video (wouldn't be surprised if his other videos followed suit). He's right up there with Nina Teicholz, the queen of disinformation...
I'm of quite different opinion about Tina. Care to explain?
In what way? Also, have you read his detailed response to Mic's video?
I remember her; don't know why she changed her channel name, but she still _totally lacks qualifications to discuss most things she thinks she can discuss._ More evidence of the death of expertise. This was the debunking her video merited; thanks for posting!
You don't need "qualifications" to discuss something? We're all free to discuss whatever interests us.
@@thatsalt1560 Yeah, but some people think her views are on a par with people with actual expertise and that her opinions merit respect on the same level. Many people are so used to randos on the internet swerving out of their lanes and getting applause for not running someone over, that they've has lost track of what lanes are for, and become vulnerable to the babblings of randos on the internet as though they're authoritative expert opinions.
You and Earthling Ed are the ultimate vegan heroes heheh
So true! :)
Earthling Ed sucks he heavily edits his footage when his points get disproven like with the goat farmer interview
@@Man_in_a_Gucci_SuitBut he died for your sins.
@@krishnaveganathar ??
@@krishnaveganathar 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Good to see you take apart this poorly put together opinion piece with scientific evidence,
She is totally unqualified to talk about this science.
Plant Chompers also did a response video to her when she came out with some nonsense about vegan kids being malnourished and attacked his grandkids. Among other gems she said his daughter and her husband must have "thin genetics" when the husband to be obese, and used a photo of her when she was pregnant and plant based as evidence of how much more "robust" she looked before going plant based.
Chris did an excellent job covering the research around feeding kids plant based and how the concerns are largely unfounded panicking
@@d-ceasedvegans ever hear of SIDS, buddy? It can happen to any baby no matter the diet.
@@d-ceasedvegans So vegan mothers don't supplement but omnivore mothers do? Are you stupid or just a terrible person?
Oh, this is THAT woman. I saw that Plant Chompers video a while ago. How stupid is it that she was insulting the kids for being malnourished, then Plant Chompers let us know that those kids weren't even vegan!
@@d-ceasedvegans only babies of vegan parents die of patent ductus arteriosus, gotcha, nice logic buddy.
By the way, the proper way of saying it is ''appropriate for all stages of life'', not sure where you got lifecycle thing from, like you're talking about some kind of material like concrete lmfao
@@d-ceasedvegans so not specifically or more frequently vegan women, gotcha
We eat tons of grass in the form of seeds- wheat, rice, corn, et c. are all grasses
Oats and barley
Weird, I have a blood test that shows good protein levels, high b12 levels, and I get all that on around 1500 calories a day (and am by no means thin). I hate to see someone go out on a limb with bad data.
Same here. So far, my lentils get absorbed ;)
This cow pee thing is insane. Even the portion of the water that's peed out does not come in the form of potable water. You'd have to take that cow pee and lose even more of the liquid to get it to a drinkable state
The soil filtrates water, even pee. Basic Biology.
@@jose_is he realizes this, he is saying after filtering there is less of it, I believe.
WHY DOES NO ONE MENTION THAT COW PEE CONTAINS ESTROGENS?. In addition we are talking about gentle animals lives, arguing about these environmental issues is not the most important issue. It just keep going in circles as each person defends their choice as best. Its' ---death of animals.
Look, I grew up an omnivore as all of us did. I did not give a sh*t about the animal
life I was eating, i wanted my needs met above all else. Its' the same with every carnist. They want their needs met and excuse and justify slaughtering animals to get it. The animal lives do not matter to them. And i am now a whole food ethical vegan 25+ years
@@jose_is Bless your heart
@@jose_is you're not wrong but you also don't realize the problem is that the usable water is being depleted much faster than its being replenished. In CA people are forced to go without water because their wells don't go as deep as the big ag wells. yes almonds grow here but they also grow a shit ton of animal feed too. and concentrated areas of pee (like what comes off of feed lots) creates very toxic situations. look into what happens in poor communities who live near pig farms when it floods. but sure "basic biology"
One thing I have to say though, you look healthier than 95% of meat youtubers
He does .
he does not look healthy at all LOL... slim, bland and just empty... i can literally see the lack of testosteron, look at his small shoulders...
@@adidkjf being slim is a greater indicator of health than being chunky
Ehhh..
@@starfox300 yea problably, but beeing muscular and athlethic is even a greater indicator.. as we all know, vegan bodybuilders and athlets are either fake or they just went vegan 2 years before, means their build der foundation on an animal based diet their whole life before...
there is is one single known vegan tribe in our history and they extincted within 100 years... researched found out that their bones got thinner decade by decade...
vegan is just another form of selfdestruction, but its not my business, do what you want...
She's trying to make points, but doesn't realize shes making points for the other side
Way to go Mic.
Keep the attention hounds honest
She might be progeny of cattler ranchers. The head doctor at large hospital in Germany warned me several years ago that a vegan diet is the absolute worst diet ever. I just assumed he was from a long line of butcher families.
Great video as always! Mercy for Animals just posted a drone video of a massive lagoon of cow manure so no matter how much water is returned to the ground via cow urine it can't measure how much is used just to dispose of these poor cow's waste in the first place.
I've been vegan for around 18 years. I went without taking b12 supplements for the first 15 years as a vegan. I got it from fortified foods - and obviously, I checked my b12 levels! I've started supplementing occasionally, but not because I was/am deficient. It's just better to be safe than sorry. I'm obviously not using my anecdote as a recommendation to anyone, just take a supplement, but I found the part about the amount of b12 interesting. I've heard several similar stories like mine throughout the years. It's just interesting, that's all.
Better safe than sorry. I always take my b12. Close to 8 years of being vegan now...
@@vegan.enlightenment Yes vegan - or not! The three people with b12 issues that I've met, were non vegans. One man who had to take injections, because he couldn't absorb it due to some problems with his colon. Thank gawwwd for modern medicine , including b12 supplements, right omnis?? 😉
@@ryanssqeakywaterbottle b12 issues could certainly be scary and I hate when people just blame it on the vegan diet.
The fact Vegans need fortified foods or B12 supplements proves we were not meant to be vegan
That being said I’m vegetarian
B12 is interesting
I personally didn’t see drops in my blood test results until a good 6-7 years into being vegan
With almost next to none conscious consumption of it
I would have consumed it here and there with fortified foods but I didn’t eat those that much and began to reduce my consumption of fortified foods a couple years in as I discovered my food allergies. What I was allergic to was often also part of fortified foods (cereals for example)
I also notice my b12 can increase rapidly and easily with consumption
Even when it first dropped rapidly and was told to get injections
I was able to increase it without even being consistent in making conscious choices to consume more b12 in tablet form regularly
There's a correlation between incompetence and condescension. I guess that's one way to observe Dunning-Kruger effect.
Yes. The Dunning Kruger effect. Very interesting and I see it in real life quite often, especially in debate type interactions. Low IQ people are less likely to know the limits of their mind and so are more likely to be over confident in their abilities, while high IQ people are more likely to doubt themselves because of over thinking or simply knowing that the world is very complicated and nuanced.
@@JD-59 Yes, and incompetent people tend to compensate with rhetoric and confident delivery to make up for their lack of empirical/argumentative backup.
While I believe you are correct, it's also true that someone with a high level of knowledge can find it difficult to not appear condescending.
@@dionysusnow Yes. Also common. Hence why I wrote, "...more likely...less likely". Maybe language. Scientists use maybe language, because it is often naïve to state things in absolutes. E.g. a plant-based diet will cure your diabetes VS a plant-based diet may... Frankly, I don't even like using the term "true". I often don't say anything is true. It's a little too absolute in my opinion. Now I'm just talking about language, which is a different topic. But, a lot of health videos will be titled, "The truth about ..." which is not scientific, and is usually clickbait.
@@dionysusnow guilty!
The epic channel Plant Chompers also debunked the What I've Learned video
Great channel.
Great Channel
the only people I know who are B12 deficient are both meat-eating people. One of them is very fond of meat and eats it every day. The other person eats it at least 3 times a week. Both of them eat all kinds of animal products and yet, they are both B12 deficient. I'm a vegan and I am not B12 deficient. Go figure....
Even Doctors say that everyone has to supplement now.
@petapeopleeatingtastyanima7074 Where is the info link to back your statement up? without documentation your statement is empty. I can say that the scientific consensus is that people who eat meat are mostly B12 deficient. It doesn't mean it's true.
@petapeopleeatingtastyanima7074 Hahahahahah! you're the one making the statement. I'm not that bothered by your "opinion" just that you are claiming it to be based on 'science'. I take it, from your response, that you don't actually have a source to cite. That's ok. No worries.
@petapeopleeatingtastyanima7074 If you remember well, I gave my statement as an example of something I could say without anything to back it..... Rather than dodging, would it not be simpler to provide the source of your information? would that not be the mature thing to do? You made the claim. I asked for your source. Simple. Provide the source or just be quiet.
@petapeopleeatingtastyanima7074 What sources? I don't think you are quite following this comment exchange. Never mind.
Whatever hole they crawl out of 😂
On the B12 point. Perhaps also missing simply asking.. Where does she think the animals are getting their B12?
Animals don't produce it, bacteria do. The reasons humans aren't getting it (over sanitation, chemicals on our crops) also affect animals, which is why they get B12 supplemented - either injected, in their feed or both. So regardless of what you eat, your B12 is still coming from supplements somewhere.
That’s not how vitamins work hahaha, if you ate a cow that drank a lot of orange juice everyday you aren’t going to get tonnes of vit C from said cow. If your position is cows are treated terribly then it goes against your argument to live like a cow.
EDIT.. the comment this was replying to was deleted 🙄
@@rmac3217 not saying you can "load the animal up" with vitamins to get some theoretical boost or whatever you are suggesting - that isn't how biology works, but of course if you eat an animal and get vitamins from it that it cannot produce itself then yes you are obtaining those vitamins from the source it obtained them.. you think they just wish them into their bloodstream? The point is the argument to eating meat to avoid supplementation is ridiculous because animals have to be supplemented for all the same reasons as humans if you don't eat those animals - even more so infact, most farmed animals are heavily supplemented. The only difference is you get less from the animals per amount supplemented because they won't absorb much of it, and will use much of it up.
Then how come fish have B12 that are wild caught?
Not farmed fish wild caught fish
@@Man_in_a_Gucci_Suitfish eat phytoplankton which have a symbiotic relationship with B12 producing bacteria (and bigger fish eat those fish)
@@TheDahakon exactly which we can’t do
Therefore we were meant to get our B12 from fish or other animals
Good work Mic!
Touché. Yes that was an old video and I have since changed my perspective. ✌️
Was that you in the video? :o
Don't defend What I've Learned ever again. The guy is a liar, an asshole and a conspiracy theorist who has a conflict of interest since he's sponsored by Butcher Box.
He doesn't even read his own sources and the guests he brings on to promote his bullshit are people also have a conflict of interest.
@@d-ceasedvegans I do agree that cows contribute more than plants to CO2 and methane, but I still like to keep a realistic expectation that eliminating all beef (and even animal products) will not solve climate change, as it is a complex issue that involves a much more elaborate plan.
Nice strawman argument. Literally nobody is claiming eliminating meat consumption is all we need to do to stop climate change.
Another one of the familiar type, gamely tackled as usual. 👍🌻. Yes these things need to be refuted, amazing how they say such stuff that's so plainly illogical.
It's so simple, efficiency is always on the plant eaters side. Why even discuss further?
On b12, the high dose has to do with the rather complex way b12 is absorbed, but nothing to do with the source. The short of it is that you could take a 1~5mcg dose daily - which is equivalent to what someone eating animal products daily is doing- OR you could take 1000mcg once a week, and your absorbed dose would be roughly equivalent.
GREAT VDO MIC! Thanks for keeping it real. I absolutely adore being vegan, best life choice I've made.
Hi Mic, when you get stuck in a debunk loop.
They way she didn’t break eye contact when talking about how cows “convert protein we can’t eat into protein we can eat” was actually scary. She clearly views these individuals as biological machines to serve her selfish needs.
Yup, classic animal abuser filth
Nice try, but that's a ridiculous statement. "Biological machines." Laughable.
@@lashedbutnotleashed1984 r u vegan ?
Well, plants convert soil you can't eat into fruits and veggies you can eat. There is no scape from that.
@@watch-Dominion-2018 I was vegan for almost five years until my mental and physical health fell totally apart and I had to be hospitalized. Then I went back to eating fish and occasional chicken and have felt great ever since.
Well, that was an easy one... good job Mic and thank you
I'm just so saddened by the negative opinions of people who seem to be poorly educated and just want to throw unsubstantiated insults. Still, only a very few folks have watched her video. It's just sad. Thanks for trying to uplevel the information. You rock
What I've learned, is Mic the Vegan is right once again!
My goodness I have felt my brain neurons dying just watching a few minutes.
She's just wrong about the calories from protein in meat vs. beans.... It's the fat in meat that gives it more calories, not the protein. Lame. She's just completely misunderstanding calories alltogether. I have to eat more beans because I don't get 200 calories of fat along with my 200 calories of protein.
I really appreciate that you made this video
I'll never understand how people have the confidence to upload a video to billions of people, without proper research and definitely no academic education on the subject? As someone who actually studied water cycles in university this woman made me feel Fremdscham (or cringe as the kids say these days).
The sad thing is that she knows what people want to hear. I'm sure that like her, the people that listen to her care very little about evidence-based science.
Vegans are always right, world needs to learn
@God Michael what?
they're still killed
and what kind of reasoning is that?
you know what is being what you're buying nowadays so there is no excuse
@God Michael it was taxes' idea to farm animals? And taxes who keep eating animals?
Nah. You're just delusional.
@Chosen One the animals are supplemented B12. Maybe talk to a plant based nutritionist if you need advice on where to get these nutrients or if you are having trouble absorbing them. Making the claim that you need to eat animals because of this is anecdotal
Well, there right about a lot of things, but they certainly are not right about the impact of individual action. One person going vegan does not reduce the number of animals are killed per year. Meat is not an on demand service.
Me being vegan alone does nothing. However, me, being vegan with other people will yield results at a certain point because markets.
However, it is a principal stance to take on individual level for not wanting to be a part of needless cruelty.
However, this line of argument is not inherit to veganism in and of itself but greenwashing and the supremacy of identity over the material.
She skipped over the 10000 cows that died in 2022 from heat & draught in Kansas
no idea who is right or wrong BUT what I know is that you and a few other vegans I follow look so much better and act way more adequately than the "carnivores" and the omnivores and ketos and other bogus diet followers. You literally look like you haven't aged a day since the day I started watching you. Veganism might not be for everyone but the more people implement whole plant foods in their diets, the better for them, even if they don't give a fork about the planet. Thank you so much for your wonderful content, Mic! PS: You are not just knowledgeable but I also had a bit of a crush on you since the first moment I saw you, which is an added benefit ;)
@Hannah Smith food and lifestyle are key, indeed.
A lot of her reasoning (or at least the reasoning she is repeating) can be described as "no matter is created or destroyed" which while TECHNICALLY true, is really just a red herring.
If cattle were only eating grass on land that could not otherwise be used for other agricultural purposes, the industrialized beef industry wouldn't exist as it is today. The "supportable" beef industry would be lowered to the point where beef consumption for the average person (if they're into that kind of thing) would likely be a couple of times a year on the optimistic side, and realistically less.
This woman is seriously misguided. I hope she studies this more.
Water peed and pooped out by cows does not just go back into the "water cycle." It goes into horrendous, smelly, disease-spreading waste lagoons at factory farms. Her idea of cows is 2 or 3 animals happily grazing on vast green meadows.
Dr. Gil Carvalho from "nutricion made simple" says that the more B12 you take the less percentage it's going to be absorbed. Therefore, if you don't want to take it everyday, just for practical reasons, you will need to take more the the daily amount X 7 days. I take a 2000mg pill every week. Like you said, the rest gets flushed out.
Mike, if you don't know Dr. Gil's channel, you would love eachother's work. He is also a vegan/vegan channel.
The literature on the bioavailability of vitamin B12 is really interesting as well and I highly recommend reading some of the actual papers. In general consuming B12 in foods either in foods that naturally contain vitamin B12 or fortified foods appears to reduce bioavailability as compared to supplements taken without food, and anything beyond the first 1000 mg at a single time is pretty much entirely wasted with the efficiency tapering off with higher dosage up until that point.
I don't see a reason to use it once a week, the best option would be various small doses during the day.
Mic your content is always interesting amongst the vegan community good work
Her debunking without any references....what is not to believe.
Thanks for another great vid Mic 💚
The way she's talking about these "facts" is like she is living in lalaland.
Tremendous Mike , keep going . Thanks .
I'd say the best debunk was done by Veganism Unspun. That video is very long, goes pretty in depth and there's a lot of number crunching in it but I love a deep dive and it probably addressed the most points. I really recommend checking that channel out. It's really amazing. He also did another video after that exposing the hypocrisy of debunking that professor Mitloehner. Both those videos are amazing.
Thanks for keeping your calmness Mic.
It is truly mind boggling, these excuses that the carnists try to come up with for why they can't go vegan.
These are just excuses indeed.
B12 being non existent except from animals is proof we were not meant to be vegan
@petapeopleeatingtastyanima7074 Huh?
@࿘ COROA ࿗ Yes, I do. Tomorrow I will eat double the amount I usually do in honor of you.
@toolazytomakeahandleyou got your comparison the wrong way round
processed and red meat are carcinogenic😂
That's some hella reaching. The calorie thing gets me. I struggle to eat enough, due to digestion issues, discomfort and pain after eating, and chronic nausea. Despite often falling short of my caloric needs every day, I barely miss my protein requirements (depending on what exactly I ate). In fact, it's the thing I struggle the least with, of all nutrients. If I ate what I needed to, I'd have to focus on primary micro-nutrients, not protein.
Mic Thank you for all of the research and effort to create this debunking video.
Get ‘em Mic!
There is no happiness on a dead planet 👉The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 💖
Another thing that people always seem to forget is that, technically, we can eat grass. At least, so I've heard, lol. I dont actually eat grass. But I've heard that you can cook it to a high enough degree that the lignin breaks down and it's safe to eat. Plus there's lots of plants in the "grass" family. Corn, for example. I dont know exactly what kind of grass grass-fed cows eat...is that something you could do a video on?
Humans eat mostly the seeds instead of the plant body of grass plants. Lignin is btw the "woody" polymere and only broken down by some fungi. I think you mean cellulose, which is indeed not digestible for humans.
What are your thoughts on regenerative agriculture Mic? I'd love to hear your thoughts on it. Examples such as White Oak Pastures, Polyface Farms, and Roam Ranch.
Polyface is not a closed loop, which is part of the argument for it.
As always, great video, Mic!
I just went to that video of hers and sort by new and she liked a comment my a homophobe 😂 like we all know now what type of person this, just someone who hate something because she has nothing else to do
Didn’t realize that the seaweed I eat has B12 in it. Didn’t look like it was fortified. Kind of thought you had to get it from meat. At least that’s what all the meat eaters have told me since I stopped eating it 10 years ago.
The B12 in most forms of seaweed usually isn't bioavailable, so don't rely on eating seaweed for your B12. You still want to have fortified foods or a supplement to prevent deficiency.
Thanks for the video mate awesome as always!
We eat so many calories, but we're skinny and malnourished........Which is it?
Mic I don't even think I can watch these kind of videos anymore! I don't know how you do it! These people are so freaking frustrating. I just want to punch them in the face and I'm a pacifist...
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Agreed .
Lentils have never constipated me. Meat always does.
While you're at it Mic, clue her in on the protein myth and why we can consume a larger quantity of food than a meat eater and it has nothing to do with trying to get enough protein or other nutrient.
Her debunk is so embarrassing, I hope next time she chooses a topic she understands.
Vegans consume huge quantities of food and eat all day long because their bodies are screaming for the nutrients they cannot get in plant foods. Simple as that.
I find it quite disturbing how W.I.L completely omits the animal cruelty aspect. He talks about sensitive beings as if they were engineered tools. But then it is not surprising, even Neil DeGrasse Tyson who makes excellent points on many subjects manages to make a fool of himself on this one.
"1000micrograms of b12, wow" lmfao , she's never seen the giant dosages of vitamin C tablets has she ? She must be concerned about that too
HI Mic!
I'll be glad to fill you in on P-BP's diet!
she was originally an ex-vegan channel when this video was made and the channel name was Juliette Autumn!
She posted some really eye opening videos of her kids increased development once she took them off of veganism.
Then she pissed off all the carnivores when she started eating fruit. (including one follower named Citizen Journalist, who claims that eating fruit AND mean, is basically vegan, but I digress…)
Any way, Julie then didn't adjust well to a mean only diet, and is gradually adding back in more plants, but won't go 100% vegan after seeing the importance of animal based food. Right at the moment, she is doing a green smoothie diet with animal organ based supplements. So, plant based poser.
Great debunk of the debunked debunk
I think there's room for a podcast/RUclips channel that simply takes these debunk responses and formats them into a live conversation/debate between the two parties with a moderator :)
Hi mic 🎤. We missed you 🎉. Keep posting friend.
Do people not understand how urine works?! When we drink water - or other hydrating beverages - we don’t wee out the amount we ingested. We absorb most of that water, and what comes out is the excess (combined with toxins that have been filtered out by our kidneys) we don’t need. The cup of tea I just drank is not going to come out in an hour. Perhaps an ounce or two will come out, depending on how hydrated I was when I drank it. If a person were extremely dehydrated, he could drink a litre of water and none of it would come out because his body would hold onto every last, lifesaving drop. The only exception to this rule are drinks with a very high alcohol content, such as liquor, sherry, and brandy. Even wine, beer, and coffee have a net hydrating affect, meaning more liquid stays in than comes out, even though they may cause a person to urinate more often. Vodka, gin, rum, etc. do cause a person to lose more water overall, so they have a net dehydrating effect. But I guarantee you that farmers aren’t giving their cows liquor.
It absolutely baffles me when people are sayin "they're eating stuff we can't eat" like "yea and so we're growing stuff we can't eat instead of shit we can" like jesus fuck
Indeed. The amount stupidity is astounding.
Kindness in debunking ♥️
You have slayed without slaying her! That's an achievement!
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Hey mic, I eat pretty much carnivore.
I know you won’t see this BUT
I appreciate your counter arguments. I don’t think the majority of people should eat carnivore but I’m not sure your stance on AIP/elimination diets.
Sad to say after testing them all I just plainly don’t digest any vegetables. 🤷🏼♂️
But I appreciate your content as a balance/counter.
Well done for your patience. Thank you for this.
I think its absolutely deplorable that we'll intentioned but quite frankly uneducated in the area/subject they claim to debunk without professional unbiased scientific evidence and data is shockingly embarrassing.
Her channel is PURE CLICK BAIT with a large dose of ignorance and arrogance.
It makes me cross!
Excellent rebuttal Mic!
There is so much desperation for many to hang onto meat consumption insanity. People are literally making up nonsense about meat consumption without any rational.
It seems that a vegan diet can only be sustained with supplements, so how would humans fare if there were no supplements? If we were to go back to living in nature in entirety, how long would we remain healthy? That seemingly would depend on what we could gather from the plants around us. That would mean that in order for us to stay healthy enough to breed, we would need seaweed, avocado, berries, nuts, seeds, citrus fruits, leafy green vegetables, maybe some root vegetables, algae,and other plants such as moringa, which grows in africa, South america, India and china. The main question then would be, how could we ensure that we get what is needed throughout the year? We would have to travel, the same as other animals would. Would that make sense? Would we be able to get enough protein and fat for migration to be viable? We came from a hot zone and migrated to cooler zones. The not zone legacy is still with us as we are largely without hair that could be used as an insulator. As we migrated, we used other animals skins to keep us from dying from exposure. We used bones as tools. Even if we didn't eat meat, this may have been possible due to the food chain of other animals, however, it would have been more hit and miss. Without the use of other animals, not just for food, but for clothing and tools, we wouldn't have become so widespread. So how would we fare without supplements? My guess is, not very well and not for very long.
Well the question is not realistic in today's world as we are not struggling to survive nor we are in the wild anymore. You do know that even farm raised animals are given b12 supplement because surprise surprise even they are b12 deficient because that vitamin is not made by the cattle it is made by a bacteria present in the soil. Also no one is going to go back to nature like that is such a nonsense argument because you do know there life expectancy was usually 40 50 years only whereas today in the modern world we can easily live upto the 80s. So I guess we can sustain a great civilization with being less damaging to the environment because the current human problems aren't related to survival but rather Climate change and resource (water, etc) scarcity.
Farms supplement their livestock with b12 hormones stuff yet you guys are still deficient
History will not be kind to those who argue against veganism.
Wow - she’s a bad grifter…
My boyfriend always says “If we didn’t eat them then it would just go to waste!” 😑
Vegan for 26 years and 55 years old and activists here in New York City
Hi Mic the Vegan, could you do a video on hydrogenated or partially hydrogenated oils in plant based butters? I’ve been learning and talking about it but I haven’t done enough research to determine how much a vegan could be affected by eating these in vegan products over a lifetime. Thanks!!!
Can you explain exactky how 100year GWP is calculated when Ch4 is supposed to dissipate over 12 years? Also could you male a video explaining your views on GWP*??? Thanks Mic!!
I love that in spite of how patronizing she was, you stayed true to the cause and remained above it. Respect!
I really like that you are debating the points, not attacking her character.
Awesome points !
Always great to see mic and ed debunk these people.. however I love watching veganism unspun do them a Lil more because he's a bit more snarky and his memes at the end of the video 😆 wish he did more often.. 🌱🤙✌️
Veganism unspun is GOLD. Hope he becomes active again soon.
How embarrassing for her. But I doubt she will ever realise it.