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Love the scene where Yoda appears and I do like the fight scenes between soul and stranger in this ep but let's be honest Yoda would have senced all of this he wouldn't have had to be told the info from another Jedi that is only info that wasn't ok for everything else I saw seeing plagues was awesome 👍😎
I don’t know if I agree that The Acolyte has the least lived in feel of all the SW shows. Especially when you have shows like The Mandalorian, Boba Fett, and Obi Wan going back to the same planet of Tatooine over and over again.
Like episode 1 the phantom menace. Not everything in star wars is about anakin, Luke and Yoda. The Star wars universe has plenty space for new characters and I'm all for it
made no sense to bring in this character and plot line with 20 minutes to go with the final episode. This scence should have been half way through the series
@@jim1242 reminds me of Kaleidoscope, I think you can watch any episode in any order and have the same viewing experience, it's formatted in a Japanese samurai story style to allow for the suprise boxes they try to do in star wars, I'd say watch it in the order, episode 3, 7, 1, 2, 4, 5, 8 and then it's easier to follow and the senator will make more sense, because in fairness the whole series was trying to keep it internal, by introducing this character at this point it meant all Jedi that knew OSHA and MAE were a vergence in the force are dead, and it means the Jedi actually provided Qimir with the information that Mae and OSHA are the same person created by the vergence who in turn I presume tell his master Darth Plaguies or he will sense it anyway, and we all know what he's going to do with that power. It's real clever story telling and ties it into the main trilogy.
So nobody clocked that Qimir tried to hit Sol's saber with his helmet to short it out. But Sol, learning from the previous fight knew to deactivate it, before it happened.
@4:27 That's not the first time we've heard that.."Your Taun Taun will freeze before you reach the 5th marker!" "Then I'll see you in hell!HYAH!" - Han Solo Empire Strikes Back
Who says Qimir is Evil?? By that logic, Osha was already the Padawan of Evil when she has Sol as her Jedi Master. Osha used her anger to channel The Force to kill someone. She left the Jedi because she could never suppress her anger and guilt to follow the Jedi path. Despite being a very powerful Force wielder. Qimir offers her an alternative path to wielding The Force that is not as binary as Jedi or Sith.
@@KendooXD what insecurities am I hiding ? 😂 you really assuming now. You mad I replied to your boyfriend. You can go cry a river bunch of cry babies crying for a fantasy show
@@PatrikWesterlund it was, phantom menace existed for more than a decade and at the time of Disney acquisition it was considered one of the worst films in the franchise along with AOTC and was famously hated. Now it’s considered mid because the bar has been lowered
I didn't realize it on my own watch, but I think the little tracker buddy knows he also needs to stop Sol because he's running from the rest of the Jedi
@chrisretzlaff2895 Itvwas when he was leaving Hoth base to save Luke from the storm. Omhes told he won't survive the night out there and that's how he responds
You guys hit one of the things on the head. If the senator had come in earlier to apply pressure and show what was at stake, you can understand Vernestra’s concern about letting this case get exposed and her motivations.
Given the weight of his appearance, I have the sneaking suspicion that he was in earlier but his screen time was cut down. The run time was really low for this show.
@@Hellohellonada Yeah, I could definitely see that. The episode to episode run time was too short. Had they been longer, I think they could have added more context to scenes, characters, relationships, motivations so the ties and connections didn’t seem quite as tenuous. But, the show reminded me of how TCW and Rebels would use these storytelling shorthands to get messages across. We’d only get a scene or two and that was supposed to signify the tension between two characters or them building a connection, etc. I think we were far more willing to accept this in a cartoon format whereas we seem to find it a source of frustration in a live action one.
@@Vulcanerd yes more accepting in a cartoon format. For Rebels though, the entire core cast was well characterized in my opinion from the first season. It only got better expanded and developed as it went. That’s not the case for The Acolyte.
@@Hellohellonada Right. And Rebels had 4 seasons of 15, 22, 22 and 15 episodes. Even s1 is 345 minutes or so (at 23 min each) vs Acolyte at about 280 (assuming avg of 35 min per episode).
@@JS-ct3krthat scene between him and the Jedi lady was probably the best thing about the show. They should have built the whole show around that dynamic instead of the wooden plank of a character that are Osha/Mae
I don't think a Master/Apprentice relationship would be an HR violation considering Qimir flat out said Dark Side powers can come from desire. Just bang out that lightning energy.
The entire show felt like a wild dream from eating Yoda's stew from Empires Strikes Back. I think if it ended as a force dream by Yoda, I could make sense of it.
@@ednec8909 He was standing right there as she became a smoke demon and the child started to dissipate. If he wanted to protect the girl, that's 100% logical. My girl, look for a different way to act, and at least give som explanation before doing that creepy shit.
I think the concept of “Going to the Dark Side” is merely Jedi dogma. Qimir learned that harnessing anger and fear and desire can be a viable path to wielding The Force and that it’s not as binary as Jedi or Sith. We also see that with Sol - Sol just believes that he must be purely altruistic because he doesn’t channel his emotions to fuel his use of The Force. Other than that, his obsession to train a Padawan is not that different than Qimir’s desire to train an Acolyte. Sol’s obsession probably had more negative repercussions than Qimir’s machinations.
The show would've been much better if it was reworked to center around Sol and Qimir instead of the twins. The Senator should've also been introduced much earlier as a source of looming tension.
People keep asking why Bazil is disabling the ship. He isn't. He's stopping Sol from firing on Mae and possibly killing her because Sol is acting out of anger here, he isn't thinking rationally.
I see Sol as a proto version of the kinda dogma that creates the rigidity we see in Obi-Wan and Mace Windu. And Vanestra using him as a scapegoat makes perfect sense
The best thing about the series is that it's over, and now fans can't stop bitching about it. I liked the show. I appreciate any exercise that expands the lore. It's wasn't a great show, but it still managed to keep me entertained. Just like the Kenobi show, this story could have been better as a two and a half hour film. But alas, it is what it is. If there is a second season, I'm confident the creative team will take the criticism to improve the execution. In the end, it's a matter of execution. The pieces are there, but the mayor flaw was the execution in building the show. But as always, the worst thing is the whiny fans.
I agree Osha was maybe a bit too casual with Qimir on the undisclosed planet, but to be fair. She wasn't really friends with those people for years, and held a lot of hatred towards them and probably associated them with what she could never have, and what her entire family basically died for. It makes sense for them both to put aside their difference to get to Brendok. Qimir even says they'll see who gets to her first.
She's known Yord since childhood, but I don't think it matters. I believe what we see is her half-heartedly fighting being seduced by the dark. She's taking in everything Qimir tells her because she was always more suited to that approach to the force. He validates her and tells her she's special, something the Jedi never did.
@@AllGreyEverything well, yes and no, she knew Yord when they were younglings, and he was basically a stranger again when they reunited years later and he didn't hesitate to throw her in jail.
@@AllGreyEverything I think it’s interesting that Osha wanted to leave and go with the Jedi partially because she wouldn’t be alone and be with other kids like her, but in the end she really wanted to be special, which is what her mother had been telling her the whole damn time.
It does male me curious though, as she turned it red sorta during activation, was this becuase the saber was damaged? One did lightsabers get more durable since we see other lightsber fall farther and harder with no damage, and two does that slight damage change how bleeding crystals work? Cause she was mad but no were near as angry as anakin or as powerful why didn't his crystal bleed and turn Red during order 66 or against kenobi
@@edwardmccoy490 I think it was just she ignited it before it was fully bled, so it continued bleeding and showed us how it works, however I did see a difference in how the blade looked afterwards so maybe it damaged the crystal and not the Saber. Most sabers are made of stronger materials, but enough blunt damage can still hurt them.
@Dire_Pack so I get that Disney is just going to keep changing what ever isn't in live action. But I was under the impression you had to specifically focus your hate anger and pain through the crystal, in comics vader goes through alot to bleed his, in jedi survivor we see dagen pull his crystal out to focus on it and bleed it. This just seam more like she just accidently bled the crystal without trying. Again I say that same thing would have happend with anakin during his turn the only difference between the two is the lighrsaber was slightly damaged
They literally were they had whole scenes showing this. The only people who defend this show are the ones who didn't pay attention and didn't see all the BS lmao
I had a realization when Sol was talking to Mae on the table that episode 7 was not narrated to Mae. This episode was literally taking place directly after the end of episode 6. Episodes 3 and 7 were set apart from the rest of the series, despite them containing all of the background information, and were placed so awkwardly that they created an even bigger narrative problem.
Yeah I think ep 7 was kind of meant to be Sol telling his story to Mae, but that wasn't it at all. They just randomly put in two halves of the flashbacks at different points.
Yup... that is my biggest beef with the series - directorial and editing mistakes. Some of the dialogues were cheesy but I have had that in Star Wars and other franchises and I still got behind it, so it wasn't the big of a deal to me, but I can see why it stood out to others. All that said, I freaking enjoyed the show. And I am down for a season 2
Plagious just chilling, I assume he’s weakened atm so he’s gonna absorb the clones (the sisters) to regain his power, and get the idea for making anakin by advancing the work done by the coven. I mean in his novel his entire character takes past knowledge and evolves it, so it makes sense he got the idea of how to make anakin from SOMETHING else, considering prior it’s been canon he just “kinda knew how” to phrase it
It's not the first time we heard "Hell" in Star Wars. A rebel soldier said to Han Solo in Empire Strikes Back: "Your tauntaun will freeze before you reach the first marker!" To which Han replied, "Then I'll see you in Hell!"
I’m just saying the Rule of Two makes better sense when it’s two lovers fighting over a shared loss and hatred. Wish Disney would actually explore that idea. Two sith you’re actually on the side of because you understand why they became sith. Having a story where a couple loses their child from the actions of the Jedi. And the Jedi cover it up and frame the couple. That could be a good sith story.
i think im gonna resend my old theor i feel like qimir is the apprenctice and left to go look for his own not knowing his master has been watching [ EDIT I THINK HE WAS VENESTRAS PADWAN BUT CAME TO PLAGUS THE WISE FOR INFO ON THE DARK SIDE BUT THREW HIM AWAY ALSO JUST TO FOLLOW HIM IN CASE
Same I only liked 3 out of the 8 episodes, 5, 6, and 8, but I'd still like an S2, because despite its flaws the show still brought things from legends to canon.
@@loftyguy11 with a whole new writing team and showrunner yes this show could be palatable. Would be interesting to see more Quimir and Plaguis if done better
@@Dire_Pack star wars fans should really start demanding better than just celebrating that a show wasn't atrocious lol like yeah it;s cool to see Legends stuff but surely you'd rather it incorporated into an actually well-written show with a strong narrative?
There is ZERO launching points. A season 2 just legitimizes all the illogical nonsense that has happened in this season. This was an amateurish show with poor concepts and execution.
IF there is a season 2, I really hope that Plageuis is not being portrayed as the strangers master, instead, I hope he just realised that there is some force sensitive dude that claims to be dark side / sith, follows him to know what´s up and to annihilate him in the end for being a pretender
@@UlyssesBearclaw In theory I agree, yet, I hate unfinished stories. And there are so many unanswered questions and storylines / plots. Especially since they just introduced Plageuis into that show, with 2 potential dark siders / hobby Siths running around
@@DocktorPepper95 Then we should be patient til there are more competent writers to handle such a nuanced story. The Acolyte writers obviously aren't it.
This is why I love watching these reactions. I'm not an expert. I have no idea of the characters until they are introduced and just watch the show for what it is. Daft escapism. When I see anyone taking anything about it all so seriously with regard to "lore" cracks me up. I'm so glad I can just watch, enjoy, and not be disappointed. Just love these reactions. Michael, is it. Never seems to enjoy himself very much. 😂😂😂
I’m not saying the show doesn’t have flaws but personally I’ve loved the show. I know I’ll probably get comments saying to “cope harder” and stuff like that for saying this.
I'm happy you found some enjoyment with it, but if Lesley and Kathleen Kennedy are heading this up in the future. I'm not even going to waste my time with it.
Check the spin season 2 will bring. Qimir is Plagueis Apprentice, he's the one who killed Plagueis in his sleep. Qimir is actually the one who trained palpatine. Remember, in Revenge of the Sith, Papls tells Anakin his "mentor" taught him everything about the force, he never said Plagueis taught him. 😮😢
I agree. Whenever I bring it up, someone tells me Palpatine literally SAYS he was Plaguis’s apprentice. That’s it’s cannon. And I can’t say I ever know what they’re talking about. For whatever reason everyone believes it’s the case. I never ever understood it that way & think there’s plenty of leeway to make new stories.
I think Plagueis's inclusion kind of makes sense. Qimir is probably his mind-wiped puppet (if Qimir could wipe Mae's memory, then so could he). I recall Qimir saying he is seeking/wants the power of two. Plagueis might want to study and replicate it so he can create the chosen one.
That's a cool power, if can mind wipe anyone and instill new programming one has endless supply of soldiers to throw at any enemy or quest.. it's like million clones but with sith powers... The Jedi would crumble thru attrition.
Plagueis is manipulating qimir to get to the twins. so he can experiment at using the midichlorians to keep himself alive. I think venestra is more involved than just being qimir’s teacher.
@@emilysaul4002that does makes sense if he was alive 🤦🏽tho ugh why didn’t they just say 40 or 50 years before phantom menace could have saved so much crap Lesley but she has done this herself
This series should've been about Qimir and Plagueis...since the 1st episode! Showing him in the cave for a quick second doesn't count!!! The bonus "dooped y'all" moment was revealing Yoda at the very end!!! Stupid writing, stupid series. This series makes Ahsoka and Book of Boba Fett look like Mandalorian season 2 level. 😂
People are so weird about this show, it’s very confusing to me why it’s being use to push weird rhetoric. I think this show was fun and enjoyable. All I can hope for is more new Star Wars content. And if people don’t like it they need to learn how to move on.
The only time bleeding a Kyber crystal red has ever been done right was in the Darth Vader canon comics. After Vader kills a Jedi without a weapon he’s then told by Emperor Palpatine that her has to take it to a place that is strong in the dark side of the force, Mustafar. He takes it deep into a cave and after he extracts the crystal from the saber he then channels all of his fear, anger and hatred into the crystal. He sees his memories of him and Padme and Obi-Wan and even a possible future of him turning against the emperor, tracking down Obi-Wan and kneels before him awaiting his judgment. Vader fights back against that vision and after an enormous amount of effort manages to bleed the crystal red. And sadly in both Jedi: Survivor and now The Acolyte, neither come even close to that incredibly powerful moment.
I don’t get it, I’m not a fan of disneys Star Wars movies or shows except for rogue one and kenobi, but this show was definitely my favorite show from Disney and I think it’s a good show with cool concepts, awesome fight scenes, good lore, mystery in the fact that I don’t look at all the theory’s about the show while I watch so I wasn’t predicting everything like others may have. I’m usually totally on board with people about how bad new Star Wars is but I can’t get behind saying this show was bad
@@alexp601 I think the incredible amount of bad-faith reviews that has been pumped out from this show, makes you think the hate is larger than what it actually is. I mean this show got totally reviewed bombed
@@Yoda-wf6bu The problem is the genuine bad reviews getting mixed up with the ignorant hateful reviews. The show is awful in many ways, but I have no problem with any representation or anything like that. The show should be hated for how terrible it was.
I wonder if plagious is piloting qimir in a way, or he’s just one of the several potential apprentices of plagious, most banites have several, who then kill each other for the right. Sidious himself was one of several.
Not a dig at Coy, but The Acolyte ride without Michael Tessler wouldn't have been the same. Thank you Michael for co-hosting with Greg. Hope to see you again for future SW contents.
Kind of a dig if you needed to mention him at all? You could have started at “The acolyte without….” That’s like saying “I don’t mean to be rude” then proceeds to say rude comment.
@@alexp601 Coy knows his Star Wars too. I love watching Coy's enthusiasm for most watches. Coy is a good dude. However, Greg cast Coy as second fiddle to Michael for SW shows for reasons you mentioned. Tessler is a scholar of SW who catches a lot details other reactors normally miss.
I thought the choreography and technical effects stuff was phenomenal. I love the heavy handed matrix wash. It was spooky and grim. It seems as though all of these new gen shows of the Starwars lore, are testing grounds to find these potential gems. Like growing crystals in a lab. The audience wants to see a movie or a show with all those matured elements (gems) in all their glory. If there was a way to combine all the best, tried tested true, elements all came together in one series. Then, wow !!!!!!!!! Supernova Starwars revival for the fans!!!!!!
I thought it might've been easy because it was consensual, but I do see your point. A Jedi would probably be able to fight that sort of intrusion or even do what Indara did to the witches.
Overall it was a pretty good show. I really don’t give a damn about Mae, and I still blame her for the fire and everything that happened, because she was too selfish to let Osha make her own choices. I believe Sol acted in self defense. Qimir and Osha are an interesting duo. I’m curious to see where the sith lineage goes from here because I’m pretty sure that was Plaeguis in the cave, and he then teaches Palpatine after he’s born. Maybe Qimir and Osha try to overthrow him and he kills them both? I’d love to see that Edit edit: new canon is that Qimir tells Plaeguis about the force divergence, and that’s how he learns to create life, which he then passes on to Palpatine. I know “Palpatine created anakin using the force” is only in the script for episode 3 but it’s canon for me, and this is a great lead up for that
Yes all kegends all borrowed concepts that definitely isn't borrowed motherfuckers acting like Drake with his Ghostwriters "What do you mean borrowed lyrics? Boy I was 'inspired' by them."
@@niklasfijalkowski8287canon means you can’t change it and it’s all already been set bruh she could just said this show is set 40 years before phantom menace that easy to not get shit on 🤦🏽
The lightsaber turning blue to red mid fight,,, why didn’t Anakin have that happen. But mostly the biggest thing was Yoda knowing all this makes him a massive liar so kind of makes Anakin say he sees through the Jedi‘s lies accurate 😂 I should also note I’m a very very late to the party Star Wars fan and even I know this show makes so many things broken 😞
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19:39 Qimir or her current padawan Troye Sivan?
Love the scene where Yoda appears and I do like the fight scenes between soul and stranger in this ep but let's be honest Yoda would have senced all of this he wouldn't have had to be told the info from another Jedi that is only info that wasn't ok for everything else I saw seeing plagues was awesome 👍😎
Love your take on show Greg and thank you for watching along Michael
I don’t know if I agree that The Acolyte has the least lived in feel of all the SW shows. Especially when you have shows like The Mandalorian, Boba Fett, and Obi Wan going back to the same planet of Tatooine over and over again.
Yoda was in his room chilling out for the whole season.
Practicing the Torbin Special
Like episode 1 the phantom menace. Not everything in star wars is about anakin, Luke and Yoda. The Star wars universe has plenty space for new characters and I'm all for it
@@ImranAhmed-kz5zcyeah this season definitely wasn’t about those characters and it was ass lol
@@matt1372It was bad writing and bad acting and looked cheap. Osha and Mae were not needed.
And now apparently yoda is down to conspire too.
Was Plagueis watching Qimir skinny dip?🤔
Thats the sith way I guess.....
that cave is used for many things
He probably did it multiple times.
Yes because men are creeps :3
Wouldn't you
Uncle Owen in ANH: “Or there’ll be hell to pay”
Han in TESB: “Then I’ll see you in hell”
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Thank you because same
My mind immediately went to Han!
And every man in his 80s - "The hell you say!" lol
Yup
Plagus was checking if Qimir would tell Osha the stroy of Darth Plagus The Wise
Senator “I know that guy” played Martian Manhunter on CW Supergirl
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Also Mr Door in Alan Wake 2.
Also in Doctor Who, the end of time parts 1&2
I just realised that now lol@@andysmith107
I actually knew him from Horizon Zero Dawn, playing as Sylens.😊
Senator was the only voice of reason this entire episode
I enjoyed that great foreshadowing. In fairness they have embraced the prequels in this series and that's a positive
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made no sense to bring in this character and plot line with 20 minutes to go with the final episode. This scence should have been half way through the series
@@projectmbandirl “Who will stop him”
@@jim1242 reminds me of Kaleidoscope, I think you can watch any episode in any order and have the same viewing experience, it's formatted in a Japanese samurai story style to allow for the suprise boxes they try to do in star wars, I'd say watch it in the order, episode 3, 7, 1, 2, 4, 5, 8 and then it's easier to follow and the senator will make more sense, because in fairness the whole series was trying to keep it internal, by introducing this character at this point it meant all Jedi that knew OSHA and MAE were a vergence in the force are dead, and it means the Jedi actually provided Qimir with the information that Mae and OSHA are the same person created by the vergence who in turn I presume tell his master Darth Plaguies or he will sense it anyway, and we all know what he's going to do with that power. It's real clever story telling and ties it into the main trilogy.
So nobody clocked that Qimir tried to hit Sol's saber with his helmet to short it out. But Sol, learning from the previous fight knew to deactivate it, before it happened.
Right lol
@4:27 That's not the first time we've heard that.."Your Taun Taun will freeze before you reach the 5th marker!" "Then I'll see you in hell!HYAH!" - Han Solo Empire Strikes Back
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So she killed her "Sol" to become an Acolyte of evil. Have you ever heard of the tragedy of Padawan Osha?
Who says Qimir is Evil??
By that logic, Osha was already the Padawan of Evil when she has Sol as her Jedi Master.
Osha used her anger to channel The Force to kill someone.
She left the Jedi because she could never suppress her anger and guilt to follow the Jedi path.
Despite being a very powerful Force wielder.
Qimir offers her an alternative path to wielding The Force that is not as binary as Jedi or Sith.
@@dygz Semantics.
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Dogma
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This show is the Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise
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No it’s just a tragedy
@@chapman2001oh go cry a river 😂 ❄️
@@luisgonzalez-bf7qw Like you are doing rn hiding your insecurity behind emotes?
@@KendooXD what insecurities am I hiding ? 😂 you really assuming now. You mad I replied to your boyfriend. You can go cry a river bunch of cry babies crying for a fantasy show
The hate on this program is hilarious, like we haven't had worse
idk Phantom menace is better then this tbh
@@moe5020 Phantom Manace made more sense than whatever inconsistency slop we have on this show
@@moe5020If social media was as big back then as it is now it would probably have gotten pretty bad reactions.
@@PatrikWesterlund it was, phantom menace existed for more than a decade and at the time of Disney acquisition it was considered one of the worst films in the franchise along with AOTC and was famously hated. Now it’s considered mid because the bar has been lowered
Han says hell in Empire
Andd Fives or Echo says it in rookies when cutup gets ate too
@@wxvyd9653 I forgot about that... leave it to Fives
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The Acolyte: The show where people look out from behind things.
I didn't realize it on my own watch, but I think the little tracker buddy knows he also needs to stop Sol because he's running from the rest of the Jedi
Yeah, little furry buddy knows Sol has gone rogue and endangering the furry guy. So fur guy pulls wires, rightly.
Smartest creature in the entire series lol
Han Solo in Empire: "Then I'll see you in hell"
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I kept thinking that to but kept second guessing that maybe I was thinking of Indiana Jones saying that. 😂😂
@chrisretzlaff2895 Itvwas when he was leaving Hoth base to save Luke from the storm. Omhes told he won't survive the night out there and that's how he responds
Owen tells Beru if the units in the south range aren't repaired by midday there'll be hell to pay
They say hell in the clone wars as well
You guys hit one of the things on the head. If the senator had come in earlier to apply pressure and show what was at stake, you can understand Vernestra’s concern about letting this case get exposed and her motivations.
"Remember back to your early teachings, all who gain power fear to lose it. Even the Jedi"
Given the weight of his appearance, I have the sneaking suspicion that he was in earlier but his screen time was cut down. The run time was really low for this show.
@@Hellohellonada Yeah, I could definitely see that. The episode to episode run time was too short. Had they been longer, I think they could have added more context to scenes, characters, relationships, motivations so the ties and connections didn’t seem quite as tenuous.
But, the show reminded me of how TCW and Rebels would use these storytelling shorthands to get messages across. We’d only get a scene or two and that was supposed to signify the tension between two characters or them building a connection, etc.
I think we were far more willing to accept this in a cartoon format whereas we seem to find it a source of frustration in a live action one.
@@Vulcanerd yes more accepting in a cartoon format. For Rebels though, the entire core cast was well characterized in my opinion from the first season. It only got better expanded and developed as it went. That’s not the case for The Acolyte.
@@Hellohellonada Right. And Rebels had 4 seasons of 15, 22, 22 and 15 episodes. Even s1 is 345 minutes or so (at 23 min each) vs Acolyte at about 280 (assuming avg of 35 min per episode).
We get to see J'onn J'onzz aka Martian Manhunter David Harewood as the senator.
Love him. Wish it was in a different series
@@JS-ct3krthat scene between him and the Jedi lady was probably the best thing about the show. They should have built the whole show around that dynamic instead of the wooden plank of a character that are Osha/Mae
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I don't think a Master/Apprentice relationship would be an HR violation considering Qimir flat out said Dark Side powers can come from desire. Just bang out that lightning energy.
might be an OSHA violation, did you see that railing?
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@@oscar0709 *thunderous applause*
Just fuck it out 😂
Martian Manhunter officially in Star Wars. MARTIANS IN STAR WARS!!!!!😂
I want a season 2 so bad. I get some people don't like this show, but I loved it and want so much more, especially after this finale.
YES ME TOO I LOVEEEE IT THERE ARE SOME STUPID TOXIC FANS LIKE STAR WARS THEORY
@@walkaway77 YES! STAR WARS THEORY SUCKS!
I agree! I WANT MORE!
All 10 fans want a season 2 😂
"The power of ONE, the power o- actually season two is scrapped, nvm"
Guess there wasnt much power with that one season
The entire show felt like a wild dream from eating Yoda's stew from Empires Strikes Back. I think if it ended as a force dream by Yoda, I could make sense of it.
I kinda feel like if a good editor took all these episodes and made it a long movie, I bet it would be pretty kick ass!
I like how the lightsaber changing from blue to red is reminiscent of the two moons from the ceremony 😮
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Most wont see or care to notice, so I’m really grateful you did friend.
HUGE SYMBOLISM
I kind of expected Osha to kill Master Sol but with a lightsaber in the back. Instead, she kills him face to face.
…without a weapon.
But he didn't do anything wrong. This story was convoluted and stupid
@@Gatz22He killed their mother at the very least.
@@ednec8909 Because he thought she was going to kill Mae-ho and him
@@ednec8909 He was standing right there as she became a smoke demon and the child started to dissipate. If he wanted to protect the girl, that's 100% logical. My girl, look for a different way to act, and at least give som explanation before doing that creepy shit.
This show should have centered around Kylo Grin. Darth Smileus gave the best performance. It would have been good to see why he went to the dark side.
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I think the concept of “Going to the Dark Side” is merely Jedi dogma.
Qimir learned that harnessing anger and fear and desire can be a viable path to wielding The Force and that it’s not as binary as Jedi or Sith.
We also see that with Sol - Sol just believes that he must be purely altruistic because he doesn’t channel his emotions to fuel his use of The Force.
Other than that, his obsession to train a Padawan is not that different than Qimir’s desire to train an Acolyte.
Sol’s obsession probably had more negative repercussions than Qimir’s machinations.
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Coming in season 2, baby! 😝
The show would've been much better if it was reworked to center around Sol and Qimir instead of the twins. The Senator should've also been introduced much earlier as a source of looming tension.
People keep asking why Bazil is disabling the ship. He isn't. He's stopping Sol from firing on Mae and possibly killing her because Sol is acting out of anger here, he isn't thinking rationally.
I didn't see the wire stuff as The Matrix and more Crouching Tiger. Same stunt team tho.. soooo.
I see Sol as a proto version of the kinda dogma that creates the rigidity we see in Obi-Wan and Mace Windu. And Vanestra using him as a scapegoat makes perfect sense
The best thing about the series is that it's over, and now fans can't stop bitching about it. I liked the show. I appreciate any exercise that expands the lore. It's wasn't a great show, but it still managed to keep me entertained. Just like the Kenobi show, this story could have been better as a two and a half hour film. But alas, it is what it is. If there is a second season, I'm confident the creative team will take the criticism to improve the execution. In the end, it's a matter of execution. The pieces are there, but the mayor flaw was the execution in building the show. But as always, the worst thing is the whiny fans.
I agree Osha was maybe a bit too casual with Qimir on the undisclosed planet, but to be fair. She wasn't really friends with those people for years, and held a lot of hatred towards them and probably associated them with what she could never have, and what her entire family basically died for. It makes sense for them both to put aside their difference to get to Brendok. Qimir even says they'll see who gets to her first.
I’m with you. People keep saying how he killed all her friends. They weren’t friends. Timeframe is maybe a week. Tops. They’re legit strangers to her.
She's known Yord since childhood, but I don't think it matters. I believe what we see is her half-heartedly fighting being seduced by the dark. She's taking in everything Qimir tells her because she was always more suited to that approach to the force. He validates her and tells her she's special, something the Jedi never did.
@@AllGreyEverything well, yes and no, she knew Yord when they were younglings, and he was basically a stranger again when they reunited years later and he didn't hesitate to throw her in jail.
@@AllGreyEverything I think it’s interesting that Osha wanted to leave and go with the Jedi partially because she wouldn’t be alone and be with other kids like her, but in the end she really wanted to be special, which is what her mother had been telling her the whole damn time.
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I love when Osha bleeds sol kybercrystal to turn it to red
It does male me curious though, as she turned it red sorta during activation, was this becuase the saber was damaged? One did lightsabers get more durable since we see other lightsber fall farther and harder with no damage, and two does that slight damage change how bleeding crystals work? Cause she was mad but no were near as angry as anakin or as powerful why didn't his crystal bleed and turn Red during order 66 or against kenobi
@@edwardmccoy490 I think it was just she ignited it before it was fully bled, so it continued bleeding and showed us how it works, however I did see a difference in how the blade looked afterwards so maybe it damaged the crystal and not the Saber.
Most sabers are made of stronger materials, but enough blunt damage can still hurt them.
@Dire_Pack so I get that Disney is just going to keep changing what ever isn't in live action. But I was under the impression you had to specifically focus your hate anger and pain through the crystal, in comics vader goes through alot to bleed his, in jedi survivor we see dagen pull his crystal out to focus on it and bleed it. This just seam more like she just accidently bled the crystal without trying. Again I say that same thing would have happend with anakin during his turn the only difference between the two is the lighrsaber was slightly damaged
Yord and jecki were not OSHA’s friends
How is everyone missing this they were old friends but not current as shes been gone for a while. She has jedi teachings but is not one.
They literally were they had whole scenes showing this. The only people who defend this show are the ones who didn't pay attention and didn't see all the BS lmao
I had a realization when Sol was talking to Mae on the table that episode 7 was not narrated to Mae. This episode was literally taking place directly after the end of episode 6. Episodes 3 and 7 were set apart from the rest of the series, despite them containing all of the background information, and were placed so awkwardly that they created an even bigger narrative problem.
Yeah I think ep 7 was kind of meant to be Sol telling his story to Mae, but that wasn't it at all. They just randomly put in two halves of the flashbacks at different points.
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Yup... that is my biggest beef with the series - directorial and editing mistakes.
Some of the dialogues were cheesy but I have had that in Star Wars and other franchises and I still got behind it, so it wasn't the big of a deal to me, but I can see why it stood out to others.
All that said, I freaking enjoyed the show. And I am down for a season 2
I mean… the idea is to keep us lost until we see those episodes, so pacing them as they did makes sense to me
That’s why it should’ve been episode four or the very beginning with a two episode premiere
Plagious just chilling, I assume he’s weakened atm so he’s gonna absorb the clones (the sisters) to regain his power, and get the idea for making anakin by advancing the work done by the coven. I mean in his novel his entire character takes past knowledge and evolves it, so it makes sense he got the idea of how to make anakin from SOMETHING else, considering prior it’s been canon he just “kinda knew how” to phrase it
I loved the silence when yoda shows up 🤣
It's not the first time we heard "Hell" in Star Wars. A rebel soldier said to Han Solo in Empire Strikes Back: "Your tauntaun will freeze before you reach the first marker!" To which Han replied, "Then I'll see you in Hell!"
Jedi believe in the force. Han and Mae are not Jedi. Boom solved the case
I was under the impression that Plagueis was there to kill the Stranger
That episode was sick
'... like... the workplace violation?'
i died. 🤣
Can someone kindly explain to me how this and house of the dragon have the same production budget?
"Make it a book."
Seriously. This thing needed SEVERAL more passes to be even remotely good. A pinch of good ideas executed poorly.
I’m just saying the Rule of Two makes better sense when it’s two lovers fighting over a shared loss and hatred. Wish Disney would actually explore that idea. Two sith you’re actually on the side of because you understand why they became sith. Having a story where a couple loses their child from the actions of the Jedi. And the Jedi cover it up and frame the couple. That could be a good sith story.
I’m more intrigued by this 4th path that is neither Jedi nor Sith nor Witch.
"The rest of you set up a 5 click perimeter".
The rest of you: Lets all go to the SAME place.
Master Yoda, you did not see. Heard his name, you did not.
Saw his face, you did not. Heard him speak, you did not.
Welll.....do you want a Season 2?!
Nah more retcon and bad writing, no thanks
Nope
I doubt it'll happen considering the reception but if it does do a better script but keep the action and stunt team
Yup. This show had it's flaws but I think it had some interesting things to say and I would like to see where it goes.
yes. yes. yes. yes.
That Hallway Scene was Reminscient of Scene 38(The Redone fight between Obi-Wan and Vader). The Plegius Reveal was EPIC!
i think im gonna resend my old theor i feel like qimir is the apprenctice and left to go look for his own not knowing his master has been watching [ EDIT I THINK HE WAS VENESTRAS PADWAN BUT CAME TO PLAGUS THE WISE FOR INFO ON THE DARK SIDE BUT THREW HIM AWAY ALSO JUST TO FOLLOW HIM IN CASE
Dude doesn't know the "see you in hell" part of Empire. Your fan card is officially revoked.
@Jeremy-k9t "Luke better have those droids out there by mid-day or there's gonna be hell to pay."
lol I immediately regretted saying it
@@michaeltessler it happens. Like I can imagine doing it myself 🫣
Osha and Qimir's whole dynamic is "You're a girl. I'm a dreamy, shirtless Bad Boy. You want this shit." And she goes "UHHHH huh."
Incorrect
@@bemasaberwyn55correct . This sht is bad 😂
i wasnt a hater of this show but i wasnt the biggest fan. i stayed optimistic and now i really hope it gets a season 2
👏👏👏
I'm in the same boat. Rough season but would love to see a second.
Same
I only liked 3 out of the 8 episodes, 5, 6, and 8, but I'd still like an S2, because despite its flaws the show still brought things from legends to canon.
@@loftyguy11 with a whole new writing team and showrunner yes this show could be palatable. Would be interesting to see more Quimir and Plaguis if done better
@@Dire_Pack star wars fans should really start demanding better than just celebrating that a show wasn't atrocious lol like yeah it;s cool to see Legends stuff but surely you'd rather it incorporated into an actually well-written show with a strong narrative?
Michael: "That was the most desperate plea for a season two I have ever seen."
The Acolyte: "Hold my blue milk."
They have some great launching points for season 2. They just now need to convince the Andor writing staff to buy this…
The Senator really made me think this show could cook with Andor level writing. I do like The Stranger as well.
There is ZERO launching points. A season 2 just legitimizes all the illogical nonsense that has happened in this season. This was an amateurish show with poor concepts and execution.
I'm not gonna watch S2.. this was hard enough to watch
The ratings are super super low there is 30% chance of Season 2. Good ending but 7 episodes of frustrating viewing ?
@@esoteric_1 ending was crap. Didn't expect it to get this bad .....yikes....
Is no one gonna mention the green master himself
I didnt interpret the hand hold as any sort of romantic intention. I dont know exactly how i interpreted it, but i didnt mind it at all.
@@ThirdStreetJesus I see it more like Qimir being a understanding person and comforting her if she's traumatized by what happened a moment ago
Watching the crystal itself bleed was RAD
IF there is a season 2, I really hope that Plageuis is not being portrayed as the strangers master, instead, I hope he just realised that there is some force sensitive dude that claims to be dark side / sith, follows him to know what´s up and to annihilate him in the end for being a pretender
There shouldn't be a season 2.
@@UlyssesBearclaw In theory I agree, yet, I hate unfinished stories. And there are so many unanswered questions and storylines / plots. Especially since they just introduced Plageuis into that show, with 2 potential dark siders / hobby Siths running around
@@DocktorPepper95 Then we should be patient til there are more competent writers to handle such a nuanced story. The Acolyte writers obviously aren't it.
@@DocktorPepper95 Agreed, I'd be fine with a season 2 which ties everything up at the end, even if its mediocre overall
This is why I love watching these reactions. I'm not an expert. I have no idea of the characters until they are introduced and just watch the show for what it is. Daft escapism. When I see anyone taking anything about it all so seriously with regard to "lore" cracks me up. I'm so glad I can just watch, enjoy, and not be disappointed. Just love these reactions. Michael, is it. Never seems to enjoy himself very much. 😂😂😂
That guy is from supergirl as manhunter
Remember, Han tells the Rebel soldier he'll see him in Hell after he's told his tauntaun will freeze if he leaves.
51:27 - 52:12 is such a good insight from Michael. Genuinely a great way to look at making an installment of something as big as Star Wars.
This final had some Kotor 2 vibes and that's cool. Also... Darth Plageuis!!! :D
I’m not saying the show doesn’t have flaws but personally I’ve loved the show. I know I’ll probably get comments saying to “cope harder” and stuff like that for saying this.
I loved it too. I want a 2nd season. And seeing plagueis was awesome
I loved it too, i had a great time! 2nd fav of the shows under Andor
Honestly, I found it much more interesting than Mandalorian, Book of Boba Fett, Kenobi ecc...
Andor is still the best
@@RetroBailey Yeah I would put it just under Andor as well
I'm happy you found some enjoyment with it, but if Lesley and Kathleen Kennedy are heading this up in the future. I'm not even going to waste my time with it.
The senator that appeared in this episode is the guy who played Martian Manhunter in the Supergirl CW show. That's why you said he looks familiar.
Yoda:- after they kill 100 jedis call me..😂 I don’t feel this darknes, come on..
Check the spin season 2 will bring. Qimir is Plagueis Apprentice, he's the one who killed Plagueis in his sleep. Qimir is actually the one who trained palpatine. Remember, in Revenge of the Sith, Papls tells Anakin his "mentor" taught him everything about the force, he never said Plagueis taught him. 😮😢
I agree. Whenever I bring it up, someone tells me Palpatine literally SAYS he was Plaguis’s apprentice. That’s it’s cannon. And I can’t say I ever know what they’re talking about. For whatever reason everyone believes it’s the case. I never ever understood it that way & think there’s plenty of leeway to make new stories.
Just stop. 😑
season 2... lol
@@k3n12ock never underestimate Disney’s desire to make Star Wars work. No matter the cost.
@@DylanMadd Palpatine and Plaguis where explored in the books. In the book Rise of Skywalker Palpatine talks about killing Plaguis
OG fans and Prequel fans UNITE
15:30 Osha's Anakin Mace Windu and Palpatine moment.
I think Plagueis's inclusion kind of makes sense.
Qimir is probably his mind-wiped puppet (if Qimir could wipe Mae's memory, then so could he).
I recall Qimir saying he is seeking/wants the power of two.
Plagueis might want to study and replicate it so he can create the chosen one.
Never speak again
This is kinda what I was thinking too
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That's a cool power, if can mind wipe anyone and instill new programming one has endless supply of soldiers to throw at any enemy or quest.. it's like million clones but with sith powers... The Jedi would crumble thru attrition.
This series is the reason Jedi were apart of the senate.
&
Sith going unchecked in the background of the Republic leading to Palpatine
As well as the beginning of the ‘chosen one’ conception.
Plagueis is manipulating qimir to get to the twins. so he can experiment at using the midichlorians to keep himself alive. I think venestra is more involved than just being qimir’s teacher.
@@emilysaul4002that does makes sense if he was alive 🤦🏽tho ugh why didn’t they just say 40 or 50 years before phantom menace could have saved so much crap Lesley but she has done this herself
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@emilysaul4002 u nailed it...hopefully they make a season 2 to go further into Plageous
Are you joking? Your a Star Wars fan and don’t remember and I’ll see you in hell?
Youre criticizing them for not remembering one line in a Star Wars film?
"Do a barrel roll!" Thank you for this Rejects.
Live action Darth Plagueis let's gooooooooooooooooo
it brings up neat questions. was plagueis there in the background getting info for his immortality experiments? did qamir have any idea he was there?
@@kvltslime2261we will see
This series should've been about Qimir and Plagueis...since the 1st episode! Showing him in the cave for a quick second doesn't count!!! The bonus "dooped y'all" moment was revealing Yoda at the very end!!! Stupid writing, stupid series. This series makes Ahsoka and Book of Boba Fett look like Mandalorian season 2 level. 😂
People are so weird about this show, it’s very confusing to me why it’s being use to push weird rhetoric. I think this show was fun and enjoyable. All I can hope for is more new Star Wars content. And if people don’t like it they need to learn how to move on.
The only time bleeding a Kyber crystal red has ever been done right was in the Darth Vader canon comics. After Vader kills a Jedi without a weapon he’s then told by Emperor Palpatine that her has to take it to a place that is strong in the dark side of the force, Mustafar. He takes it deep into a cave and after he extracts the crystal from the saber he then channels all of his fear, anger and hatred into the crystal. He sees his memories of him and Padme and Obi-Wan and even a possible future of him turning against the emperor, tracking down Obi-Wan and kneels before him awaiting his judgment. Vader fights back against that vision and after an enormous amount of effort manages to bleed the crystal red.
And sadly in both Jedi: Survivor and now The Acolyte, neither come even close to that incredibly powerful moment.
Survivor is more bearable to watch (even tho the visual of it changing colors as the saber is on is kinda cool to look at)
41:18 Leslie Headland was just budget cutting the entire season for her own salary I bet. "$1,000 for you. $1,000,000 for me" and so on.
I don’t get it, I’m not a fan of disneys Star Wars movies or shows except for rogue one and kenobi, but this show was definitely my favorite show from Disney and I think it’s a good show with cool concepts, awesome fight scenes, good lore, mystery in the fact that I don’t look at all the theory’s about the show while I watch so I wasn’t predicting everything like others may have. I’m usually totally on board with people about how bad new Star Wars is but I can’t get behind saying this show was bad
You like kenobi but not Andor or Mando
That's cool that you liked the show, but you're definitely in the extreme minority of viewers with that opinion.
Andor is without doubt the best series
@@alexp601 I think the incredible amount of bad-faith reviews that has been pumped out from this show, makes you think the hate is larger than what it actually is. I mean this show got totally reviewed bombed
@@Yoda-wf6bu The problem is the genuine bad reviews getting mixed up with the ignorant hateful reviews. The show is awful in many ways, but I have no problem with any representation or anything like that. The show should be hated for how terrible it was.
I enjoyed the hell out of it
I wonder if plagious is piloting qimir in a way, or he’s just one of the several potential apprentices of plagious, most banites have several, who then kill each other for the right. Sidious himself was one of several.
"a thing for everyone is a thing for NOBODY"
Not a dig at Coy, but The Acolyte ride without Michael Tessler wouldn't have been the same. Thank you Michael for co-hosting with Greg. Hope to see you again for future SW contents.
Kind of a dig if you needed to mention him at all? You could have started at “The acolyte without….” That’s like saying “I don’t mean to be rude” then proceeds to say rude comment.
Well Michael is a big SW guy, and Coy is not, so yeah it would be pretty different between the two
@@alexp601 Coy knows his Star Wars too. I love watching Coy's enthusiasm for most watches. Coy is a good dude. However, Greg cast Coy as second fiddle to Michael for SW shows for reasons you mentioned. Tessler is a scholar of SW who catches a lot details other reactors normally miss.
@@ssotkow Coy has admitted that he's not a big SW fan and that he's trying to get more into the franchise and learn the lore.
Yeah we get to see Yoda
That wasn't Yoda. Many green aliens don't assume it's Yoda, that's racist, are all afro heads Lenny Kravitz?
@@mostlyguesses8385 Did you hit your head somewhere?
Don't be anti head injury
Okay
Bruh was locked in a janitors closet the whole series 😂
He played Martian man Hunter on the WB Supergirl.
Love how creepy plaguis looks
The kyber crystal shots were top teir. Highkey of the coolest moments of this show😂
I thought the choreography and technical effects stuff was phenomenal. I love the heavy handed matrix wash. It was spooky and grim. It seems as though all of these new gen shows of the Starwars lore, are testing grounds to find these potential gems. Like growing crystals in a lab. The audience wants to see a movie or a show with all those matured elements (gems) in all their glory. If there was a way to combine all the best, tried tested true, elements all came together in one series. Then, wow !!!!!!!!! Supernova Starwars revival for the fans!!!!!!
Mae got out the same way Luke got away from Vader.
The fight scene with osha and Mae had better choreography than matrix resurrections ngl 😭😭
Bro could’ve used that mind wipe power on all of his opponents…
I thought it might've been easy because it was consensual, but I do see your point. A Jedi would probably be able to fight that sort of intrusion or even do what Indara did to the witches.
I don't think you can use that on someone who has the force and actively fights it.
Don't think that's how it works, it's the same as a mind trick kinda... You need weak minded individuals or personal consent for it to work.
It only worked because she actively let him and didn’t try to fight back against his mind wipe. She effectively helped him do it.
Force users can fight against mental force powers, also. He’s fucking evil.
BAZIL KNOWS.
Overall it was a pretty good show. I really don’t give a damn about Mae, and I still blame her for the fire and everything that happened, because she was too selfish to let Osha make her own choices. I believe Sol acted in self defense. Qimir and Osha are an interesting duo. I’m curious to see where the sith lineage goes from here because I’m pretty sure that was Plaeguis in the cave, and he then teaches Palpatine after he’s born. Maybe Qimir and Osha try to overthrow him and he kills them both? I’d love to see that
Edit edit: new canon is that Qimir tells Plaeguis about the force divergence, and that’s how he learns to create life, which he then passes on to Palpatine. I know “Palpatine created anakin using the force” is only in the script for episode 3 but it’s canon for me, and this is a great lead up for that
I have been looking forward for this
Well finally we get see darth plagueis in the acolyte
When in lore he's only about 10 years old...
@@andyfox8377what lore? That's not canon. Anymore. It's legends.
@@andyfox8377bro there is no lore its all legends😂
Yes all kegends all borrowed concepts that definitely isn't borrowed motherfuckers acting like Drake with his Ghostwriters
"What do you mean borrowed lyrics? Boy I was 'inspired' by them."
@@niklasfijalkowski8287canon means you can’t change it and it’s all already been set bruh she could just said this show is set 40 years before phantom menace that easy to not get shit on 🤦🏽
“Your Tauntaun will freeze before you reach the first marker”
“THEN I’LL SEE YOU IN HELL”
The lightsaber turning blue to red mid fight,,, why didn’t Anakin have that happen. But mostly the biggest thing was Yoda knowing all this makes him a massive liar so kind of makes Anakin say he sees through the Jedi‘s lies accurate 😂
I should also note I’m a very very late to the party Star Wars fan and even I know this show makes so many things broken 😞
We don't know what Yoda is about to be told.
@@AllGreyEverythingtrue but I think it’s too much of a cover up for him not to be aware of it.
Season 2 Let's Go!😎😎
Im so glad Michael is here for the finale! I always enjoy his input!
Same!
@@SecondBreakfastAndThreeH-zo3jp Oh great another toxic fan who thinks everyone who doesn't share their opinion is a shill.
A master and Apprentice relationship…feels like an HR issue…😂😂😂 FACTS
Ok but it’s so fun that Osha saw herself
Should have been a 2 hour movie