You have to remember that from the perspective of the great houses, Paul formed an army with a bunch of savages (the Fremen) and performed a military coup for the throne. If Paul had gone to the Landsraad and presented his case they may have formed a coalition with him but he went with a complete power move that bypassed any semblance of government that existed. This was basically Julius Caesar coming back with the Thirteenth Army to Rome and installing himself as Emperor removing power from the senate.
Too bad CHOAM wasn't a part of the movies because a lot of Great Houses had a huge financial stake in sticking with the emperor which makes more sense in reality. Like Octavian keeping control of Rome and in the end getting the supporters of Marcus Antonius to turn against him before the battle of Actium.
Plus, using atomics on humans was forbidden but he found a loophole by only using it to blow ip the mountain, allowing the worms to sneak in through the storm and blitz the emperor
Except Julius was a known and popular man. A lot of people welcomed him, which is why his death wasn't enough to return things to the way they were. The conspirators failed to recognize how popular he was and how the people would turn against them. While Leto was popular, Paul was but a child and he had adopted a whole new persona. So, even if people knew he was Paul Atreides, he was a complete outsider to them and a usurper to the throne.
And further to this, The emperor only maintains power above the Landsraad due to the Sardurkar, a massive chunk of which of which were wiped out in this battle. So, less of a reason to officially give Paul the position. Denying official endorsement may delay/prevent his ability to command and deploy the remaining Sardurkar against the Landsraad.
That's why in the movie's version of events, marrying Irulan doesn't make any sense. If you're going to impose yourself as the new ruler by the means of power, you don't need any political marriage to legitimize your ascendency. He could stick with Chani and avoid further drama. That's what happens when your try to deviate too much from the book plot, things stop making sense.
Paul remembers the lesson Gurney taught him while sparring in Dune Part 1: "I have you", "Aye, but look down my lord, you would have joined me in death". He directed Feyd's blade into his own shoulder to distract him for an instant and deliver the killing blow under Feyd's ribs with the forgotten knife.
I don't know how to explain it properly, but I really wish they'd done a better job of visually communicating that concept. Like, after you have a think about it, it's obvious, but the nature of how it played out on screen felt confusing. It didn't have to be an exaggerated affair or anything, but maybe a wide shot with a nod to the choreography from part 1. A wide shot might have been less intimate/intense than the tight framing we were shown, so who knows. It just took me out of the moment slightly when I saw it live, but maybe I'm alone on that.
they should have just gone with how the fight went in the books where he got a small cut that was poisoned and transmuted the poison safely. and than killed feyd. in the books feyd never had a chance
@@houseofaction I 100% agree but audiences usually have to be led by the hand sometimes and with the earlier training scene tying into this one I see why Denis did it.
@@houseofaction Feyd never had a chance here. In the scene where Paul asks his mother about her being the Baron's daughter, they briefly show Paul's vision of the knife in Feyd's chest. Everything after Paul took the Water of Life was foreseen by Paul.
@@houseofaction Yes, and he was also able to regenerate from the wounds. They were already healing when he was making the emperor kiss his Ducal Signet. But you are very correct that he had almost no wound to speak of in the books. He was more concerned about the poison that Feyd always employed.
To answer an earlier question you had; the reason troops on the ground don't wear shields is because the shields vibration attracts the worms. It's the same reason spice harvesters can only be on the ground for a limited time before being lifted in the sky and put back later.
@@RealBLAlley With nothing happening😴 We get it, they found some cool locations they want to show off... it's Arrakis, not a travel guide to Jordan. I'd rather have the rest of the plot, thanks.
@@RealBLAlley Or he could have used those sand shots to establish the worm life cycle, so he didn't have to mess up the ending... What does he establish with shots of the dunes? We already know the planet is all sand. As you pointed out, it's in the title...
@@RealBLAlley Did I ask about your credentials? I don't care who you are. I asked about this film, to show your work on your claims. Or can you not do that? Want to try again? Do we need a reminder that Dune is covered in sand? Why not use these shots to establish the worm's life cycle, something actually integral to Dune (plot, ecology, and religious themes) instead of... oh, Arrakis sucks... but our light calculator program found some cool shots 😎 And maybe you missed something (or didn't read the book), because the Fremen co-exist with the desert, not struggle against it. It is not a desolate landscape to them, it is the training ground of the faithful and it supports them in the millions. It's only inhospitable those who do not learn the ways.
Maybe you don't remember from the first movie, the Bene Gesserit didn't want Paul to be the Quisatz Haderach, it was Jessica disobeying their orders to have a daughter. She decided to have a son for love to Duke Leto, and she decided to train him in the ways of the Benne Gesserit against their will. Their original plan was to marry Jessica's daughter with Feyd-Rautha Harkonnen and their son would be the Quisatz Haderach, but because of Paul existing, they had to change their plans.
It’s ironic that the Bene Gesseeit rightfully see how ZOMG UNCONTROLLABLE a male QH-wannabe is, but the Sisters and Reverent Mother on Dune/Arakkis completely flake on checking if Jessica had any Preexisting Conditions before forcing her to drink the Blue Water. 😂 They’re an ALL-FEMALE religious order and yet they forget that. Too much fun ordering Jessica to “D.R.I.N.K.!” to think about that, I suppose. 😂
In the knife fight, essentially Paul allowed himself to be stabbed in a non vital spot, luring in Fayd, he then held Fayd blade while using his off hand to remove the knife from his own abdomen, stabbing Fayd in the heart with it, while allowing Fayd to stab him in his shoulder simultaneously. I think.
they should have just had him domninate the fight like in the books, his precognition made him an unbeatable warrior in the books only a couple of people could contend with him
@@houseofactionno it’s dumb. Greatest duel scene in any film and waste of Austin. And glad they went against that. They built up Feyd to be his near equal.
Btw, for Sam: "Luke... I am your Baron." 😂😂😂 Lucas has never made it a big secret how much his world is 'like' the world of Dune... even Frank Herbert has gone on record many a time saying Lucas was smart starting his story right in the 'meatty' middle, starting on Tatooine and going from there.
@@houseofactionLucas cribbed from lots of sources, and there's a lot of Dune in the first Star Wars film. Desert worlds, futuristic sword fights, a galactic empire, elite stormtroopers, people with mental powers... there's even mention of spice mines.
When my friends and I are hanging out, and someone does something mildly impressive-- like crumpling up trash and making the shot into the bin: "LISAN AL GAIB!" the way Stilgar says it at 45:48 Flip a water bottle rightside up onto a table: "LISAN AL GAIB!" Catch something they drop before it hits the ground: "LISAN AL GAIB!"
The Harkonnens were already a threat to the Emperor because of all the money they were making from Arrakis. The Atreides were a threat to the Emperor because of how popular they were and how strong their army was. The Emperor kills two birds with one stone by then "helping" the Harkonnens destroy the Atreides, at enormous cost in both men and money to the former.
the Harkonnen were NOT a threat the emperor was just jelous that they were super wealthy and wanted to bankrupt them. the harkkonen spent so much money it would take 50 years to get it back
@@houseofaction Threat and perception of threat are the same thing in such a society. Atreides, despite their loyalty, would have inspired rebels despite themselves. Harkonnen, despite being hated, would have inspired rebels because of all their money.
The Emperor made the Harkonnens pay for everything and troop transport is not cheap. It was only later when the spice itself was threatened that the Guild lowered transport fees to get someone to try to stop Paul.
@@dudermcdudeface3674he was not threatened by the harkonnens this is an utter irrefutable fact. There was no perceived threat. And they would not incite rebellion this is a fact
@@houseofaction In an absolute monarchy, everyone else with power is a threat to the throne. That's just how it works. Harkonnens could be handled by putting them in debt because their power is financial, but Atreides loyalty and military strength was too great to allow anymore.
This was great in IMAX, I don't watch alot of movies in IMAX only movies I've seen is Avatar 1 and 2, Dune Part 2 and Eternals, ps don't judge me but some of the scenes looked amazing in IMAX
The Fremen name for the mouse is Muad-Dib. (I have kangaroo mice in my yard and I think of Muad-Dib every time I see them.) The Voice is just called The Voice. The dragonfly ships are called ornithopters. Jamis is the name of the Fremen man Paul killed. Florence Pugh is Princess Irulan You got it right: Feyd Rautha (I love the names in Dune. They are fun to say!)
I hate to say it, but this was pretty amazing in an IMAX theater. The worm-riding scene felt like being in the sandstorm with Paul. The bass was insane.
Yeah. Nevermind the backlash for breaking the “No nuking humans” taboo… if they k!lled the emperor, they can’t force him to abdicate, NOR can they get near the space port!
"Luke, I am your father" probably what you were thinking of. Also, the Bene Gesseritt thought they'd be able to control the prophet, that's what they were after. Oops.
Great reaction! I love part one for its world building was excellent! Part two was everything romance, action, scenery, music, fight scenes, storytelling 👏🏽 An hardly wait for part three in 2026 🎉 Correct Chani is very important in part three and the camera ended on her for a reason. She is the love of Paul’s life!
Denis is the one who read the books and co-wrote the script with Jon; he is the one that visualized the script and did much more. A film like this can't be possible without the good work of the screenwriter, producers, director, cinematographer, and basically everyone involved. So saying Greig is the real hero of these films is stupid, as he wouldn't be able to do his job without Denis, which is the reason these films are being made in the first place.
"I feel like this reminds me of something...", said Samantha. "You mean when the person finds out he is related to the bad person?", said Daniel. Do you mean when it was revealed that Luke is related to Darth Vader? Star Wars took so much from Dune!
Jack Kirby's New Gods could also be considered a source for Star Wars. The main bad guy is named Darkseid. His greatest antagonist is al Old Testament prophet looking dude who raised his son.
When shot with a Lasgun while wearing a shield, it will cause a nuclear blast. Since shields are so common in this universe, that is also why blades are used heavily.
It is a roll of the dice how big the explosions would be since the interaction between the two waveforms can't be predicted, and if it will affect one or both parties, but that is correct. In the book the Fremen purposefully set active shields on the battlefield in order to make the Sardaukar too paranoid to use Lazguns.
It's important to realize that the moment he survived the water of life, Paul became the first Kwisatz Haderach. He has access to the memories and wisdom of ALL his ancestors, and that he can use that to see ALL possible futures. From that moment on, Paul's decisions were all made knowing EXACTLY the choices he has to make to win, and not die/lose. He already knows that Chani will eventually forgive him, and he already knows the outcome. Paul's sister, Alia, was made a full Bene Gesserit Witch while in the womb. She also has access to her past ancestors, but lacks the training to control it. The starvation and death Paul foresees will be across the universe, as he will control the spice.
I have never seen or heard that the Benne Geserrit with the box in the first film was Jessica’s mother. She was The Reverend Mother, but no blood relation to Jessica. No, I haven’t read the book but I tried. I got tired of having to look up nearly each word in the dictionary in the back of the book. 😊
@@eddietucker7005 How could you hear or see if you did not read the books? If you had that knowledge, you would know. That is how intelligence works.............
@@benhmn Well there are millions of Dune fans. I personally did not take a survey. But I know a lot of fans take it as a given that Jessica is the Reverend Mothers daughter. The stories go that Frank had talks with Brian about other Dune stories. Frank could have told Brian about Jessica's lineage. I do not know. And I do not think you do either.
Paul had to marry Princess Irulan in order to ascend to the throne for legitmacy. Also in the book, Chani was well aware of the situation, and had no problem with it. She knew that Paul belonged to her, and this was just a political move. Its also explained that Irulan gets absolutely NOTHING from Paul. No kids, not even affection from him. Chani is the one that gives him kids.
So happy yall got this through the copyright! Hopefully WB was able to meet yall somewhat halfway, or just, throw y'all a bone. Thank you for reaching back out to me on my questions on the edit, y'alls input absolutely helped during me during my experience with wrangling mine. It was choppy to all hell, but it made it through copyright! Im watching this reaction now, excited to see what yall thought of Dune 2! Awesome channel guys!
Since women aren't allowed to directly sit the imperial throne, their endgame is not only to create a Supreme Being but to essentially have direct control over the emperor. I'm eager to see the Max series that explores the early history of the Bene Gesserit and how their plans began
I'm a miserable old git but it just shows the likeability of these two that at the end when Sam said she'd got Dan Hans Zimmer tickets I had the biggest grin on my face. You are the only reaction channel worth watching . Sam is always lightening fast on picking up details and Dan always wants to kill kill kill lol ! Love you guys. Maybe Withnail & I one day please ? Or tv shows maybe Utopia (Original UK version).
At the beginning, out in the desert, the sky is orange, and we can see a partial lunar eclipse. Arrakis has two moons. One of the "making" of features on the Blu-ray details that they did have a partial Lunar eclipse, here on Earth, filming in Jordan, or United Arab Emirates, both used for the desert filming for Arrakis. Much of the rock-locations, I believe are in Jordan. It's a now famous region, where "Lawrence of Arabia", "The Martian" and "SW 9: Rise of Skywalker" filmed too. The one flash-vision of the future, where sister Alia stands on dunes near an ocean, were filmed in Namibia.🌍
"It could have all ended here." And in a typical happy ending heroic story, it would have ended here. But to evoke a line from Kingsmen, "Well, this ain't that kind of story."
- 36:57 - Yes, Jessica is the daughter of Baron Vladimir Harkonnen. However, it gets weirder than that! In the later books written by Frank Herbert's son, Brian, we learn that Jessica's mother was Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam, who tested Paul with the box. In the book, the Baron is gay, VERY gay, and psychotic like Feyd. In fact, he is extremely vain about his looks as well. Mohiam is sent to secure the bloodline. However, in the attempt the Baron has some problems and ends up sexually assaulting Mohiam. Unfortunately, the embryo was nonviable, and Mohiam had to go back and resecure the bloodline. When she does, she gives the Baron a nasty surprise. As the Bene Gesserit are trained to have the most minute control over every facet of their biology, which is how they can drink the Water of Life and survive, Mohiam uses this ability to create a very special STD for the Baron, which is why is is so grotesquely obese and has to use an anti-gravity suspensor to move around. His bones are so brittle they cannot support his weight. - Chani is different in the novel. She fully supports and believes in Paul as LIsan al Gaib and Mahdi, and continues to love him. The also cut a tremendously tragic part of the story. From when Paul and Jessica escape into the desert to Paul defeating the Emperor, about two years pass give or take. Paul's sister Alia is born with all of the knowledge of a full Reverend Mother. And Chani and Paul have a son named Leto II. Unfortunately, the young Leto is killed during a Sardaukar raid. When Paul overthrows the Emperor takes Princess Irulan as his bride, Chani knew. She didn't like it, but understood it. The final paragraph of the novel is Jessica comforting Chani, helping her realize that Irulan may have Paul's name...but only that. Irulan will have no children, no softness, no affection, nothing. Jessica says, "...we who bear the title of concubine, history will call us wives." Paul is not a hero. He is, at best, an antihero and, at worst, a villain in a story filled with villains. Frank Herbert deliberately wrote the Dune novels to explain the dangers of charismatic leaders.
But..... And it is a big but. If Paul did not take the paths he did. Humans would have died out. So, give me a "villain" any day that saves the Human Race in the long run. And has people for decades still trying to figure out if he was a "bad" guy...... ha ha
Sam, nice present! As someone who grew up on the original Star Wars trilogy John Williams will always be the goat, But Hans is a close second. I love movie soundtracks and Zimmer has been just killing it. You two should have a great time at that concert.
Something I picked up watching the first movie again with a friend, the undrugged Atreides in the arena is the captain of Leto's bodyguard from the first movie. He only has like 2 lines but you see him a lot. I believe the actor is actually also the stunt coordinator for the films.
Yes!! The wait is over! Glad your Dune 2 reaction is finally up on RUclips. I really enjoyed watching you react to this. Seeing it in theatres was such an incredible experience. Best wishes to you both.
11:28 The different factions among the Fremen society is an invention of Denis Villeneuve and Jon Spaihts exclusively for this adaptation, which I really appreciate since having the entire Fremen fully support Paul's crusade 100% in the original book and previous adaptations makes little sense when you put in real world context. Not to mention that such friction will be very instrumental in later sequels Dune Messiah and Children of Dune.
"What just happened?! Was that the knife? Is it still in him?!" 🤣🤣🤣 Sam got it in the wrap up 👍Great job Sam! It's... not well choreographed and doesn't make a ton of sense without the Weirding Way for Paul to pull a pretty long knife from his abdomen and stick it in Feyd 😅 Book spoiler below - In the book Feyd has a poison needle hidden in his belt and Paul judo throws him to avoid it and 😵 him. They also don't fight in armor, ritual combat is done without still suit because ruining one unnecessarily is anathema to the Fremen 😖
WOW, that sincerely is some great anniversary gift! Zimmer's Gladiator (with Lisa Gerrard) end-credits theme and his Da Vinci Code ending piece are some of my favourite tracks ever. With that enthusiastic intro you gave, talking about all the reading and info you were getting into prior to this watch, makes me really want you to try David Lynch's 1984 version, maybe some time down the line(?).
@@TheLisa-Al-Gaib Yeah, he really has his work cut out for him as far as what his gift to her will be. I'm thinking nothing less than a horse from Rohan in full regalia at minimum 😂
@@chefskiss6179 🤣🤣🤣 Yeah, I literally have no good suggestion for him-maybe a full spa day where Samantha gets fully pampered while TBR stays home with the baby. That might work.
Small detail I think some people miss is that after Paul declares that he wants revenge and wants to use the prophecy to manipulate the fremen for that goal. He immediately after gets a vision of people worshiping a shrine of his father. It's a call back to the first film where Paul had the vision in the tent where he saw people killing and dying I. His name and worshipping a shrine for his father. So I believe in this moment Paul has a change of heart, wishing (at this point in the film) to avoid this outcome. So that's why I think in the first parts of the movie he doesn't like his mother converting and manipulating the fremen, even though in the beginning he said he would do as much.
I agree. Paul at the end of the book and movie is a reluctant warrior. He knows what letting the Fremen lose will do to the Empire. But is resigned to it as the only way to continue the Human Race. He sees that the Bene Gesserit put mankind on a path to obliteration when they created "The One". Hard decisions had to be made to save everyone. It eventually fell to Paul's son to undo the Bene Gesserit mistake. Dune is very complicated. It is not just the "good guys" against the "bad guys". We all can be both at a given time.
The Fremen wouldn't open fire on the Crawler with the shielded Ornithopters flying around because of the effect of the two intersecting; both devices exploding in a pseudo-nuclear explosion. Same with the Fremen Hunting squad we opened with. Riding the Worm involves getting a hook under the front end of a segment and lifting it up, causing it to become exposed to the harsh sand. That keeps the worm from attempting to submerge, and from simply plowing through dune after dune. Paul DID want to use the Fremen prophecy to enact his revenge, I assume with the excuse that he's helping THEM get rid of their mutual hated enemy. But I think after he realized what Jessica was doing, he tried to reel back. He still wanted revenge, he still wanted to help the Fremen get rid of the Harkonnen, but he saw where the tide was going. Only after he drank the Water of Life did he realize it was too late to stop. Regarding nukes: It's never mentioned in the movies, but there is a strict mandate that Atomics are never used against human targets. Breaking this means all the Great Houses and Sardaukar surround your planet and utterly destroy you. Using the atomics against the Shield Wall to let the storm and worms in, though, absolutely counts as fair.
31:27, within the book the blue scarf symbolizes the birth of a boy. Here in the movie it symbolizes that Chani is in love with Paul. Whenever she wears it in her hair she loves Paul. Notice where the scarf is by the end of the movie.
Watching this reaction made me realize why Herbert was so explicit with Messiah, the message of the movie really flies over so many people's heads. Also, they don't show it in the movie, but Fremen Stietches have factories in them where they manufacture Stillsuits, Thumpers and all the other equipment they utilize. They're not a primitive people, they have advanced technology just like the rest of the universe.
They also don't do ritual combat in still suits because they respect their belongings too much to damage them unnecessarily. So much got lost in this version for religious ferver and shots of sand.
To the question you've ask in the end: The real power in the Universe is not the Emperor, but the Spacing guild. That's the guild that Baron used to send his troops to attack Atreidis, for example. And the Spacing guild doesn't won't to share power with a guy who took over the Emperor, which was a very suitable ruler for them. They want to take the control back. At least that's what I understood after reading, don't give me spoilers in the replies please 😂❤ It's a shame we didn't get much of the Guild in the movie, but it is long enough, I get it. I hope Denis will give it more time in the next one.
no that is not true, the balance is between the emperor, the guild and the laansraad the guild can't outright control things because they can see into the future they see if they do things would turn out horrible so they don't they also don't have any intention of taking power away from paul THEY CAN'T his precognition allows him to know they REQUIRE the spice so he has control over them
I voted for you to watch this in theatre because I just couldn't live with myself for depriving you of that experience. But now.... selfishly... I am ecstatic we get to watch you experiencing this for the first time. You should really consider reading the first three books (all I've read) as they are epic. I read them as an adolescent in the eighties and I remain firmly convinced they are the LOTR of science-fiction. I've recently downloaded the first SIX books and have just started to read them. Let's GO!!! @6:33 Per the books you can't use shields in the desert because they attract the worms and "drive them into a killing frenzy." I think this may have been stated in the first movie as well. @21:10 "You can't control this thing" - In the books it is explained that the hooks pull the worms' segments open exposing sensitive tissues to the sand. So, the worms turn the open segments up away from the sand, allowing you to steer them.
In the book, use of nuclear weapons against another house is taboo and would result in every other house uniting against him. So Paul used the nukes against the shield wall to exploit a loophole that would at least leave the other houses squabbling over the technicality.
Sam giving side-eye to TBR at 34:12 "I love you, but sometimes…" Granted he admits the hadn't been paying attention to it a minute later! Just funny to watch! However, props my guy as one of maybe the only reactors who figured out what the atomics were for: destroying the mountain shield wall to let the storm, and worms, into Arrakeen. I mean they mention it quickly when planning the attack, so get that a lot of folks miss that detail. Great reaction you two!!
The contrast between Chalamet in this movie and in Wonka is so amazing. Genuinely an incredible young actor. And Elvis converted me from a sceptic to an almost-fan It's never explained in the movies, but in the books of you fire a laser at a shield it causes a slight nuclear explosion at both ends. So that's a slight deterrent
Worth mentioning: Paul broke down this plan of using the messiah & marrying the Emperor's daughter to Dr Kines and Lady Jessica in Dune Part I. Paul also knows his visions aren't reliable. Drinking from the water of life wasn't a requirement. Taking the nukes off the table, the plan of attack was always possible by the Fremen, but as Chani says "when you believe in a Messiah, you'll wait for centuries..."
I think if a director could marry the clarity and scope of Dune with the edginess and bloodshed of a Paul Verhoeven picture then you'd have the perfect film.
RE: Paul's visions, they are similar to Doc Strange's sorting through every possibility, confusing and unclear, but once Paul takes the Water of Life, he says his vision is now clear, with only one narrow path forward.
In the books, Paul was able to know the desert and survive on his own without any help. He also needed no help to survive the worm poison/water of life and become the Kwisatz Haderach. They added that quality to make Chani more relevant, and to play down how Paul was superior in a way that would be about the most Mary Sue character ever written. Paul almost never fails.
Great reaction, guys! Being unfamiliar with the books, you really picked up on a lot of things. You are absolutely right in thinking the holy war would have started without Paul’s further help. If Paul had died, the zealots among the Fremen still would’ve pushed on and made dead Paul a sacred martyr for their cause. Both movies were audiovisual feasts. I enjoyed them as entertainment alone. At the same time, they deviated significantly (particularly Part Two) from the novel. Denis Villeneuve simplified several things to black and white and took out some nuance and moral ambiguity: the rich shades of grey in the novel. Some changes and omissions are understandably unavoidable when adapting a book into a visual medium limited by time constraints, but Villeneuve made changes that contradict what Frank Herbert wrote. Part Two changed the nature of Chani and distorted the character of Jessica and the Bene Gesserit. Princess Irulan was not Reverend Mother Mohiam’s best student. In the books, Irulan was a failed Bene Gesserit who aspired to be a historian. She was turned into a brilliant strategist who the Emperor relies on for advice. The Emperor in the book was no dummy. He was clever. And he wasn’t a worn-out frail man, either. The Fremen are a very religious tribe and share similarities with real-world counterparts like the Jewish and Muslim peoples. They have varying levels of belief, yet none of them dismiss prophecy and the coming of the Lisan al Gaib. Some don’t think Paul is the messiah, but they do believe in a messiah. Also, they are not aware of the Bene Gesserit’s secret use of religious propaganda on Arrakis. The B.G. are accomplished manipulators and influence events from the shadows. Their goals are hidden, not common knowledge to people outside their order. Chani in the book was a believer and understood Paul. To make her and some of the other Fremen both atheists and completely aware of B.G. manipulation is the opposite of how the Fremen were characterized by their creator. The change panders to current popular cultural trends and disregards the book’s political setting. It also seems that Villeneuve enlarged the supporting roles of Chani and Irulan to give Zendaya and Florence Pugh more to do. The actors didn’t serve their characters-the characters were altered to serve the star power of two actors. The B.G. are puppet masters in the series, but they are not completely amoral as depicted in the movie. They often use ruthless means to accomplish goals that would actually benefit humanity in the long run. It made no sense for Denis Villeneuve to have the B.G. plot to have all the Atreides killed (not found anywhere in the novel; they weren’t even involved in the Emperor’s conspiracy). They wanted to preserve all the bloodlines of the breeding program they took centuries to carefully develop, not destroy one of them. Part Two also contradicts the fact that Mohiam specifically asked the Baron to spare Paul’s life in Part One, since Paul would be the last Atreides left during the invasion of Arrakeen. Then, in the second movie, she does a 180 and claims she wanted Paul and his line exterminated all along. Even if the B.G. couldn’t control Paul, his life (the genetic inheritance it contained) was still valuable to them, in keeping with their behavior in the book. Another thing: the Emperor didn’t view Duke Leto Atreides as a weak man in the book. On the contrary, he admired Paul’s father. He was aware that the Duke inspired loyalty among his people and was liked by many of the Great Houses. He knew House Atreides’ military forces had become strong enough to rival his Sardaukar. This development, along with the Duke’s qualities as a popular leader, meant the Atreides were a potential threat to his rule. The Emperor personally liked the Duke to the extent that he once told his daughter, Irulan, that the Duke was worthy enough to be her husband, but she wasn’t old enough to marry at that time. Political necessity made the Duke an enemy and the Emperor acted out of self-preservation. If the Duke were truly a weak man/weak leader as the Emperor said in the movie, then there would be no need to destroy House Atreides because a weak leader would not be a real threat in the first place. The feeling I got after watching Part One and especially Part Two is that Villeneuve didn’t really understand the story and the characters as much as he claims. He also promoted this recent false narrative that Herbert only wrote Dune Messiah after he realized readers misunderstood Paul in the first book, viewing him as a traditional hero. Herbert actually had parts of the second and third books written before the first one was completed. Paul’s character trajectory was laid out from the beginning. Herbert intended for his readers to fall under Paul’s spell just as the Fremen did. The second book would show how big a mistake following such a charismatic leader would be.
The baby will be born with all the powers and knowledge of a Revrand Mother. Oh and the first film was setting everything into motion for this film, fruition. The next one is Messiah.
I really find interesting watch how people react to Paul. Is kind a antihero. Great reaction, guys. Denis is one of my favorite director right now, and only he could have made the Dune story a success
@6:28 "why dont they have shields" they have shields, but hey are in worm land, so they cant use them, as they attract worms, and sends them into a killing frenzy... @45:51 "how did he get that knife" it was the knife that was stuck in him already, he just pulled it out and stabbed him with it...
I sure hope Irulan likes writing books! I was kind of surprised they didn't have Count Fenring in the movie when they had Lady Fenring. The Count was the reason Paul's prescience wasn't of much use to him when he was fighting Feyd Rautha iirc, at least in the book.
Yes!!! They finally did it! The made a few changes from the books of Dune part 2 with Chani leaving Paul and Paul's sister being the one to kill the Baron. I am looking forward to Dune Messiah.
Paul has a vision of Fayd's knife earlier in the movie, maybe the first movie? Its on screen for like a second in a little vision montage. That's how he knew what he had to do in the fight. Unfortunately for the Great Houses decision to refuse Paul, it was a shortcut because the books have loads of stuff on the background politics of the great houses and other associated important institutions that the movies didn't have time to go into.
Remember Paul said she would come around. Plus the books she was his cocubine and he never showed the princess any love she was just there. Also, Paul knew that he was going to get stabbed and plunge his into his heart. They showed the vision in a scene before the battle started.
You have to remember that from the perspective of the great houses, Paul formed an army with a bunch of savages (the Fremen) and performed a military coup for the throne. If Paul had gone to the Landsraad and presented his case they may have formed a coalition with him but he went with a complete power move that bypassed any semblance of government that existed. This was basically Julius Caesar coming back with the Thirteenth Army to Rome and installing himself as Emperor removing power from the senate.
Too bad CHOAM wasn't a part of the movies because a lot of Great Houses had a huge financial stake in sticking with the emperor which makes more sense in reality. Like Octavian keeping control of Rome and in the end getting the supporters of Marcus Antonius to turn against him before the battle of Actium.
Plus, using atomics on humans was forbidden but he found a loophole by only using it to blow ip the mountain, allowing the worms to sneak in through the storm and blitz the emperor
Except Julius was a known and popular man. A lot of people welcomed him, which is why his death wasn't enough to return things to the way they were. The conspirators failed to recognize how popular he was and how the people would turn against them. While Leto was popular, Paul was but a child and he had adopted a whole new persona. So, even if people knew he was Paul Atreides, he was a complete outsider to them and a usurper to the throne.
And further to this, The emperor only maintains power above the Landsraad due to the Sardurkar, a massive chunk of which of which were wiped out in this battle. So, less of a reason to officially give Paul the position. Denying official endorsement may delay/prevent his ability to command and deploy the remaining Sardurkar against the Landsraad.
That's why in the movie's version of events, marrying Irulan doesn't make any sense. If you're going to impose yourself as the new ruler by the means of power, you don't need any political marriage to legitimize your ascendency. He could stick with Chani and avoid further drama. That's what happens when your try to deviate too much from the book plot, things stop making sense.
Paul remembers the lesson Gurney taught him while sparring in Dune Part 1: "I have you", "Aye, but look down my lord, you would have joined me in death". He directed Feyd's blade into his own shoulder to distract him for an instant and deliver the killing blow under Feyd's ribs with the forgotten knife.
I don't know how to explain it properly, but I really wish they'd done a better job of visually communicating that concept. Like, after you have a think about it, it's obvious, but the nature of how it played out on screen felt confusing. It didn't have to be an exaggerated affair or anything, but maybe a wide shot with a nod to the choreography from part 1.
A wide shot might have been less intimate/intense than the tight framing we were shown, so who knows. It just took me out of the moment slightly when I saw it live, but maybe I'm alone on that.
they should have just gone with how the fight went in the books where he got a small cut that was poisoned and transmuted the poison safely. and than killed feyd. in the books feyd never had a chance
@@houseofaction I 100% agree but audiences usually have to be led by the hand sometimes and with the earlier training scene tying into this one I see why Denis did it.
@@houseofaction Feyd never had a chance here. In the scene where Paul asks his mother about her being the Baron's daughter, they briefly show Paul's vision of the knife in Feyd's chest. Everything after Paul took the Water of Life was foreseen by Paul.
@@houseofaction Yes, and he was also able to regenerate from the wounds. They were already healing when he was making the emperor kiss his Ducal Signet. But you are very correct that he had almost no wound to speak of in the books. He was more concerned about the poison that Feyd always employed.
You're literally one of the only reactors who recognized what the nukes were being used for. Love your channel!
Stilgar was the ultimate hype man.
He puts Morpheus to shame.
Both believing blindly in a prophecy designed to control and manipulate them...
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@@LordVolkov The darkside of faith and hope
All "prophecies" are designed to control and manipulate the people. Religions are made for that.
LISAN AL GAIB
To answer an earlier question you had; the reason troops on the ground don't wear shields is because the shields vibration attracts the worms. It's the same reason spice harvesters can only be on the ground for a limited time before being lifted in the sky and put back later.
Also guns are outlawed against shields as 1 shot to a shield can create a nuclear explosion.
@@MasterCheeef specifically lasguns. Regular guns like the maula pistol are allowed. They are just useless against shields
also, they're using lasguns, and lasguns + shields = very very bad day (effective atomic explosion)
Denis Villenueve has an unbelievable eye. This is definitely one of the most immaculately shot films of the decade, for me.
If only he took less shots of sand, he could have included more plot 😅
@@RealBLAlley With nothing happening😴 We get it, they found some cool locations they want to show off... it's Arrakis, not a travel guide to Jordan. I'd rather have the rest of the plot, thanks.
@@RealBLAlley Or he could have used those sand shots to establish the worm life cycle, so he didn't have to mess up the ending...
What does he establish with shots of the dunes? We already know the planet is all sand. As you pointed out, it's in the title...
@@RealBLAlley What storytelling elements and worldbuilding beyond 'there is sand' does Denis establish with his landscape shots? Show your work.
@@RealBLAlley Did I ask about your credentials? I don't care who you are. I asked about this film, to show your work on your claims. Or can you not do that? Want to try again?
Do we need a reminder that Dune is covered in sand? Why not use these shots to establish the worm's life cycle, something actually integral to Dune (plot, ecology, and religious themes) instead of... oh, Arrakis sucks... but our light calculator program found some cool shots 😎
And maybe you missed something (or didn't read the book), because the Fremen co-exist with the desert, not struggle against it. It is not a desolate landscape to them, it is the training ground of the faithful and it supports them in the millions. It's only inhospitable those who do not learn the ways.
Hans Zimmer tickets, your wife is a real one
Legit
Samantha is a keeper ❤
He sounded so overwhelmed, like “shit, what do I get for her?!”
Sweet
Maybe you don't remember from the first movie, the Bene Gesserit didn't want Paul to be the Quisatz Haderach, it was Jessica disobeying their orders to have a daughter. She decided to have a son for love to Duke Leto, and she decided to train him in the ways of the Benne Gesserit against their will.
Their original plan was to marry Jessica's daughter with Feyd-Rautha Harkonnen and their son would be the Quisatz Haderach, but because of Paul existing, they had to change their plans.
It’s ironic that the Bene Gesseeit rightfully see how ZOMG UNCONTROLLABLE a male QH-wannabe is, but the Sisters and Reverent Mother on Dune/Arakkis completely flake on checking if Jessica had any Preexisting Conditions before forcing her to drink the Blue Water. 😂
They’re an ALL-FEMALE religious order and yet they forget that. Too much fun ordering Jessica to “D.R.I.N.K.!” to think about that, I suppose. 😂
See, the Australian Breakdancer is just trying not to attract Sandworms. 😂
Would a Ray Gunn detonate on a shield?
😂
The beats must flow
"This has been incredibly easy."
Helps when you can see the future.
And in Rabban's case... Gurney is like Duncan, completely outclassing all of Harkonnen.
In the knife fight, essentially Paul allowed himself to be stabbed in a non vital spot, luring in Fayd, he then held Fayd blade while using his off hand to remove the knife from his own abdomen, stabbing Fayd in the heart with it, while allowing Fayd to stab him in his shoulder simultaneously.
I think.
they should have just had him domninate the fight like in the books, his precognition made him an unbeatable warrior in the books only a couple of people could contend with him
@@houseofaction yeah, similar to Alita, he's nowhere near as deadly as in the book.
But this fight had great drama.
@@houseofactionno it’s dumb. Greatest duel scene in any film and waste of Austin. And glad they went against that. They built up Feyd to be his near equal.
Btw, for Sam: "Luke... I am your Baron." 😂😂😂
Lucas has never made it a big secret how much his world is 'like' the world of Dune... even Frank Herbert has gone on record many a time saying Lucas was smart starting his story right in the 'meatty' middle, starting on Tatooine and going from there.
george was inspired mostly by the foundation. frank himself plaguarized dune from the sabres of paradise sometimes even word for word
@@houseofactionLucas cribbed from lots of sources, and there's a lot of Dune in the first Star Wars film. Desert worlds, futuristic sword fights, a galactic empire, elite stormtroopers, people with mental powers... there's even mention of spice mines.
Fremen: "Thank you, thank you! Muad'dib has freed us!"
Muad'dib: "Oh, I wouldn't say 'freed.' More like, 'under new management.'"
When my friends and I are hanging out, and someone does something mildly impressive-- like crumpling up trash and making the shot into the bin: "LISAN AL GAIB!" the way Stilgar says it at 45:48
Flip a water bottle rightside up onto a table: "LISAN AL GAIB!"
Catch something they drop before it hits the ground: "LISAN AL GAIB!"
Mashallah works too.
The Harkonnens were already a threat to the Emperor because of all the money they were making from Arrakis. The Atreides were a threat to the Emperor because of how popular they were and how strong their army was. The Emperor kills two birds with one stone by then "helping" the Harkonnens destroy the Atreides, at enormous cost in both men and money to the former.
the Harkonnen were NOT a threat the emperor was just jelous that they were super wealthy and wanted to bankrupt them. the harkkonen spent so much money it would take 50 years to get it back
@@houseofaction Threat and perception of threat are the same thing in such a society. Atreides, despite their loyalty, would have inspired rebels despite themselves. Harkonnen, despite being hated, would have inspired rebels because of all their money.
The Emperor made the Harkonnens pay for everything and troop transport is not cheap. It was only later when the spice itself was threatened that the Guild lowered transport fees to get someone to try to stop Paul.
@@dudermcdudeface3674he was not threatened by the harkonnens this is an utter irrefutable fact. There was no perceived threat. And they would not incite rebellion this is a fact
@@houseofaction In an absolute monarchy, everyone else with power is a threat to the throne. That's just how it works. Harkonnens could be handled by putting them in debt because their power is financial, but Atreides loyalty and military strength was too great to allow anymore.
I went to see this in IMAX and it was a massive experience!
This was great in IMAX, I don't watch alot of movies in IMAX only movies I've seen is Avatar 1 and 2, Dune Part 2 and Eternals, ps don't judge me but some of the scenes looked amazing in IMAX
The Fremen name for the mouse is Muad-Dib.
(I have kangaroo mice in my yard and I think of Muad-Dib every time I see them.)
The Voice is just called The Voice.
The dragonfly ships are called ornithopters.
Jamis is the name of the Fremen man Paul killed.
Florence Pugh is Princess Irulan
You got it right: Feyd Rautha
(I love the names in Dune. They are fun to say!)
Well except Duncan Idaho, now that's just a stupid name! 🤣
@@xen0bia Yes, I will definitely give you that one!
Maybe it sounded cooler back in the 60’s before Indiana Jones was even an idea?
the emperor's elite soldiers are Sardaukar
@@xen0bia”The lineage of Idaho” just is a clue that those humans did come from Earth way back when. 😅❤
I hate to say it, but this was pretty amazing in an IMAX theater. The worm-riding scene felt like being in the sandstorm with Paul. The bass was insane.
Why do you hate to say it? Because it’s not in imax again?
"Did they nuke the mountain so that the storm could pass?" YES THEY DID THANK YOU FOR NOTICING. everyone else is all huehuehue they missed huehuehue
Yeah. Nevermind the backlash for breaking the “No nuking humans” taboo… if they k!lled the emperor, they can’t force him to abdicate, NOR can they get near the space port!
"Luke, I am your father" probably what you were thinking of. Also, the Bene Gesseritt thought they'd be able to control the prophet, that's what they were after. Oops.
Great reaction!
I love part one for its world building was excellent!
Part two was everything romance, action, scenery, music, fight scenes, storytelling 👏🏽
An hardly wait for part three in 2026 🎉 Correct Chani is very important in part three and the camera ended on her for a reason. She is the love of Paul’s life!
"You fought well Atreides."
Austin Butler killed it as Feyd Rautha.
Glad to see this reaction finally is available !
Oh yes! Finally! You were the only reactors I was waiting to do Dune, sorry that you had to go through all those copyright issues ❤
Family come first guys , im impressed you schedule has been maintained at all , ( new baby, first baby)
The real hero of these movies is cinematographer Greig Fraser.
Denis is the one who read the books and co-wrote the script with Jon; he is the one that visualized the script and did much more. A film like this can't be possible without the good work of the screenwriter, producers, director, cinematographer, and basically everyone involved. So saying Greig is the real hero of these films is stupid, as he wouldn't be able to do his job without Denis, which is the reason these films are being made in the first place.
@@reynaldolorenzo8409 Crikey. It migth be time to meet a friend of mine called hyperbole.
I love the look on Jessica's face when she's being told Paul rode a Grandfather Worm. You can tell she's thinking "We've got these f-kers now"
"I feel like this reminds me of something...", said Samantha. "You mean when the person finds out he is related to the bad person?", said Daniel. Do you mean when it was revealed that Luke is related to Darth Vader? Star Wars took so much from Dune!
Jack Kirby's New Gods could also be considered a source for Star Wars. The main bad guy is named Darkseid. His greatest antagonist is al Old Testament prophet looking dude who raised his son.
@@technofilejr3401it was a swapping of sons (sons spelled H-O-S-T-A-G-E-S).
When shot with a Lasgun while wearing a shield, it will cause a nuclear blast. Since shields are so common in this universe, that is also why blades are used heavily.
not necessarily it CAN not necessarily will and it might not even cause one on the shielded individual but the person who shot it
It is a roll of the dice how big the explosions would be since the interaction between the two waveforms can't be predicted, and if it will affect one or both parties, but that is correct. In the book the Fremen purposefully set active shields on the battlefield in order to make the Sardaukar too paranoid to use Lazguns.
49:00 Sounded like Peter Griffin doing the Dune theme. 😆
It's important to realize that the moment he survived the water of life, Paul became the first Kwisatz Haderach. He has access to the memories and wisdom of ALL his ancestors, and that he can use that to see ALL possible futures. From that moment on, Paul's decisions were all made knowing EXACTLY the choices he has to make to win, and not die/lose. He already knows that Chani will eventually forgive him, and he already knows the outcome.
Paul's sister, Alia, was made a full Bene Gesserit Witch while in the womb. She also has access to her past ancestors, but lacks the training to control it.
The starvation and death Paul foresees will be across the universe, as he will control the spice.
Sam looks like a silent Aztec Princess,
Daniel is a lucky Disney Prince!
What they don't reveal in the movie is that Jessica's mother is Gaius Helen Mohiam. So the woman with the Box in the first film is his grandmother.
It wasn´t spelled out, but yes, if one pays attention, it is revealed.
I have never seen or heard that the Benne Geserrit with the box in the first film was Jessica’s mother. She was The Reverend Mother, but no blood relation to Jessica. No, I haven’t read the book but I tried. I got tired of having to look up nearly each word in the dictionary in the back of the book. 😊
@@eddietucker7005 How could you hear or see if you did not read the books? If you had that knowledge, you would know. That is how intelligence works.............
This is a silly retcon by Brian Herbert, and is therefore not considered cannon by most fans.
@@benhmn Well there are millions of Dune fans. I personally did not take a survey. But I know a lot of fans take it as a given that Jessica is the Reverend Mothers daughter. The stories go that Frank had talks with Brian about other Dune stories. Frank could have told Brian about Jessica's lineage. I do not know. And I do not think you do either.
Paul had to marry Princess Irulan in order to ascend to the throne for legitmacy. Also in the book, Chani was well aware of the situation, and had no problem with it. She knew that Paul belonged to her, and this was just a political move. Its also explained that Irulan gets absolutely NOTHING from Paul. No kids, not even affection from him. Chani is the one that gives him kids.
Not just a theater, but an IMAX is a must. For both cinematography and for sound.
Heyyyyyy! You were able to post this!!
I plan to watch it as soon as my day is done.
Something to look forward to!
It was generous of the Emperor to deliver so much water to Arrakis in the bodies of the Sardaukar.
So happy yall got this through the copyright! Hopefully WB was able to meet yall somewhat halfway, or just, throw y'all a bone. Thank you for reaching back out to me on my questions on the edit, y'alls input absolutely helped during me during my experience with wrangling mine. It was choppy to all hell, but it made it through copyright!
Im watching this reaction now, excited to see what yall thought of Dune 2! Awesome channel guys!
Congratulations🎉Happy to see this one finally Approved for Posting!👍Hopefully "Sin City" is not too far behind...🙏
Since women aren't allowed to directly sit the imperial throne, their endgame is not only to create a Supreme Being but to essentially have direct control over the emperor. I'm eager to see the Max series that explores the early history of the Bene Gesserit and how their plans began
I'm a miserable old git but it just shows the likeability of these two that at the end when Sam said she'd got Dan Hans Zimmer tickets I had the biggest grin on my face. You are the only reaction channel worth watching . Sam is always lightening fast on picking up details and Dan always wants to kill kill kill lol ! Love you guys. Maybe Withnail & I one day please ? Or tv shows maybe Utopia (Original UK version).
At the beginning, out in the desert, the sky is orange, and we can see a partial lunar eclipse. Arrakis has two moons. One of the "making" of features on the Blu-ray details that they did have a partial Lunar eclipse, here on Earth, filming in Jordan, or United Arab Emirates, both used for the desert filming for Arrakis. Much of the rock-locations, I believe are in Jordan. It's a now famous region, where "Lawrence of Arabia", "The Martian" and "SW 9: Rise of Skywalker" filmed too. The one flash-vision of the future, where sister Alia stands on dunes near an ocean, were filmed in Namibia.🌍
"It could have all ended here."
And in a typical happy ending heroic story, it would have ended here. But to evoke a line from Kingsmen, "Well, this ain't that kind of story."
You guys are the best! Enjoy the show and Happy Anniversary!😊
- 36:57 - Yes, Jessica is the daughter of Baron Vladimir Harkonnen. However, it gets weirder than that! In the later books written by Frank Herbert's son, Brian, we learn that Jessica's mother was Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam, who tested Paul with the box. In the book, the Baron is gay, VERY gay, and psychotic like Feyd. In fact, he is extremely vain about his looks as well. Mohiam is sent to secure the bloodline. However, in the attempt the Baron has some problems and ends up sexually assaulting Mohiam. Unfortunately, the embryo was nonviable, and Mohiam had to go back and resecure the bloodline. When she does, she gives the Baron a nasty surprise. As the Bene Gesserit are trained to have the most minute control over every facet of their biology, which is how they can drink the Water of Life and survive, Mohiam uses this ability to create a very special STD for the Baron, which is why is is so grotesquely obese and has to use an anti-gravity suspensor to move around. His bones are so brittle they cannot support his weight.
- Chani is different in the novel. She fully supports and believes in Paul as LIsan al Gaib and Mahdi, and continues to love him. The also cut a tremendously tragic part of the story. From when Paul and Jessica escape into the desert to Paul defeating the Emperor, about two years pass give or take. Paul's sister Alia is born with all of the knowledge of a full Reverend Mother. And Chani and Paul have a son named Leto II. Unfortunately, the young Leto is killed during a Sardaukar raid. When Paul overthrows the Emperor takes Princess Irulan as his bride, Chani knew. She didn't like it, but understood it. The final paragraph of the novel is Jessica comforting Chani, helping her realize that Irulan may have Paul's name...but only that. Irulan will have no children, no softness, no affection, nothing. Jessica says, "...we who bear the title of concubine, history will call us wives."
Paul is not a hero. He is, at best, an antihero and, at worst, a villain in a story filled with villains. Frank Herbert deliberately wrote the Dune novels to explain the dangers of charismatic leaders.
But..... And it is a big but. If Paul did not take the paths he did. Humans would have died out. So, give me a "villain" any day that saves the Human Race in the long run. And has people for decades still trying to figure out if he was a "bad" guy...... ha ha
@@donny1960 True...and we won't even go into the God Emperor of Dune...🙂
Ancestral possession... the baron shall return
Sam, nice present! As someone who grew up on the original Star Wars trilogy John Williams will always be the goat, But Hans is a close second. I love movie soundtracks and Zimmer has been just killing it. You two should have a great time at that concert.
Something I picked up watching the first movie again with a friend, the undrugged Atreides in the arena is the captain of Leto's bodyguard from the first movie. He only has like 2 lines but you see him a lot. I believe the actor is actually also the stunt coordinator for the films.
Yes!! The wait is over! Glad your Dune 2 reaction is finally up on RUclips.
I really enjoyed watching you react to this. Seeing it in theatres was such an incredible experience.
Best wishes to you both.
Dune 2. I loved that game.
This was a great movie. Went back to the theater 3 times just to hear Paul's Speech.
Watching this in theaters was just peak cinema.
"Long story long",,,,you folks are great. Fun reaction, thanks!
TBR Schmitt.. you’re a lucky man.
And the reaction was great as always😊.
Dude, she bought you tickets to Hans Zimmer and you didn't even say thank you. 😆
😳 I didn’t?!
11:28 The different factions among the Fremen society is an invention of Denis Villeneuve and Jon Spaihts exclusively for this adaptation, which I really appreciate since having the entire Fremen fully support Paul's crusade 100% in the original book and previous adaptations makes little sense when you put in real world context. Not to mention that such friction will be very instrumental in later sequels Dune Messiah and Children of Dune.
This really is one of the greatest sci-fi epics ever made
You have NO idea how much I laughed at 49:00 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Thanks for that ❤
I love you TBR Schmitt and your wife Samantha.
"What just happened?! Was that the knife? Is it still in him?!" 🤣🤣🤣
Sam got it in the wrap up 👍Great job Sam!
It's... not well choreographed and doesn't make a ton of sense without the Weirding Way for Paul to pull a pretty long knife from his abdomen and stick it in Feyd 😅
Book spoiler below -
In the book Feyd has a poison needle hidden in his belt and Paul judo throws him to avoid it and 😵 him. They also don't fight in armor, ritual combat is done without still suit because ruining one unnecessarily is anathema to the Fremen 😖
WOW, that sincerely is some great anniversary gift! Zimmer's Gladiator (with Lisa Gerrard) end-credits theme and his Da Vinci Code ending piece are some of my favourite tracks ever.
With that enthusiastic intro you gave, talking about all the reading and info you were getting into prior to this watch, makes me really want you to try David Lynch's 1984 version, maybe some time down the line(?).
@@chefskiss6179 I am SO jealous, but I’m happy for them!
@@TheLisa-Al-Gaib Yeah, he really has his work cut out for him as far as what his gift to her will be. I'm thinking nothing less than a horse from Rohan in full regalia at minimum 😂
@@chefskiss6179 🤣🤣🤣 Yeah, I literally have no good suggestion for him-maybe a full spa day where Samantha gets fully pampered while TBR stays home with the baby. That might work.
Small detail I think some people miss is that after Paul declares that he wants revenge and wants to use the prophecy to manipulate the fremen for that goal. He immediately after gets a vision of people worshiping a shrine of his father. It's a call back to the first film where Paul had the vision in the tent where he saw people killing and dying I. His name and worshipping a shrine for his father. So I believe in this moment Paul has a change of heart, wishing (at this point in the film) to avoid this outcome. So that's why I think in the first parts of the movie he doesn't like his mother converting and manipulating the fremen, even though in the beginning he said he would do as much.
I agree. Paul at the end of the book and movie is a reluctant warrior. He knows what letting the Fremen lose will do to the Empire. But is resigned to it as the only way to continue the Human Race. He sees that the Bene Gesserit put mankind on a path to obliteration when they created "The One". Hard decisions had to be made to save everyone. It eventually fell to Paul's son to undo the Bene Gesserit mistake. Dune is very complicated. It is not just the "good guys" against the "bad guys". We all can be both at a given time.
The Fremen wouldn't open fire on the Crawler with the shielded Ornithopters flying around because of the effect of the two intersecting; both devices exploding in a pseudo-nuclear explosion. Same with the Fremen Hunting squad we opened with.
Riding the Worm involves getting a hook under the front end of a segment and lifting it up, causing it to become exposed to the harsh sand. That keeps the worm from attempting to submerge, and from simply plowing through dune after dune.
Paul DID want to use the Fremen prophecy to enact his revenge, I assume with the excuse that he's helping THEM get rid of their mutual hated enemy. But I think after he realized what Jessica was doing, he tried to reel back. He still wanted revenge, he still wanted to help the Fremen get rid of the Harkonnen, but he saw where the tide was going. Only after he drank the Water of Life did he realize it was too late to stop.
Regarding nukes: It's never mentioned in the movies, but there is a strict mandate that Atomics are never used against human targets. Breaking this means all the Great Houses and Sardaukar surround your planet and utterly destroy you.
Using the atomics against the Shield Wall to let the storm and worms in, though, absolutely counts as fair.
31:27, within the book the blue scarf symbolizes the birth of a boy. Here in the movie it symbolizes that Chani is in love with Paul. Whenever she wears it in her hair she loves Paul. Notice where the scarf is by the end of the movie.
Watching this reaction made me realize why Herbert was so explicit with Messiah, the message of the movie really flies over so many people's heads.
Also, they don't show it in the movie, but Fremen Stietches have factories in them where they manufacture Stillsuits, Thumpers and all the other equipment they utilize. They're not a primitive people, they have advanced technology just like the rest of the universe.
Yeah, unfortunately the movies completely skip the depth of the Fremen society that was showcased in Dune book.
They also don't do ritual combat in still suits because they respect their belongings too much to damage them unnecessarily.
So much got lost in this version for religious ferver and shots of sand.
@@LordVolkovEvery generation has their “Harry Potter and the Prisoner Of Azkaban”, it seems. 😂
6:34 no shields because the shields drive the worms crazy.
+ if a Lazer gun hit the shield it's a nuclear apocalypse for both
these were literally the first comment i was about to make lol thank you both!
Damn!!! What an awesome wife she got you hans zimmer tickets!!! Have fun and happy anniversary to both of you 🎉
To the question you've ask in the end:
The real power in the Universe is not the Emperor, but the Spacing guild. That's the guild that Baron used to send his troops to attack Atreidis, for example. And the Spacing guild doesn't won't to share power with a guy who took over the Emperor, which was a very suitable ruler for them. They want to take the control back. At least that's what I understood after reading, don't give me spoilers in the replies please 😂❤
It's a shame we didn't get much of the Guild in the movie, but it is long enough, I get it. I hope Denis will give it more time in the next one.
no that is not true, the balance is between the emperor, the guild and the laansraad the guild can't outright control things because they can see into the future they see if they do things would turn out horrible so they don't they also don't have any intention of taking power away from paul THEY CAN'T his precognition allows him to know they REQUIRE the spice so he has control over them
@@houseofactionyou didn't give a better answer to their question, just tried to bash mine 😂
I voted for you to watch this in theatre because I just couldn't live with myself for depriving you of that experience. But now.... selfishly... I am ecstatic we get to watch you experiencing this for the first time. You should really consider reading the first three books (all I've read) as they are epic. I read them as an adolescent in the eighties and I remain firmly convinced they are the LOTR of science-fiction. I've recently downloaded the first SIX books and have just started to read them. Let's GO!!!
@6:33 Per the books you can't use shields in the desert because they attract the worms and "drive them into a killing frenzy." I think this may have been stated in the first movie as well.
@21:10 "You can't control this thing" - In the books it is explained that the hooks pull the worms' segments open exposing sensitive tissues to the sand. So, the worms turn the open segments up away from the sand, allowing you to steer them.
Damn what a anniversary gift!!!
In the book, use of nuclear weapons against another house is taboo and would result in every other house uniting against him. So Paul used the nukes against the shield wall to exploit a loophole that would at least leave the other houses squabbling over the technicality.
Sam giving side-eye to TBR at 34:12
"I love you, but sometimes…"
Granted he admits the hadn't been paying attention to it a minute later! Just funny to watch!
However, props my guy as one of maybe the only reactors who figured out what the atomics were for: destroying the mountain shield wall to let the storm, and worms, into Arrakeen. I mean they mention it quickly when planning the attack, so get that a lot of folks miss that detail.
Great reaction you two!!
I saw this at the theatre & somebody shouted from the back "Kiss the Ring!!!!!!!!" It was brilliant.
It's out, we won!!!! LISAN AL GAIB!!!!!
The contrast between Chalamet in this movie and in Wonka is so amazing. Genuinely an incredible young actor. And Elvis converted me from a sceptic to an almost-fan
It's never explained in the movies, but in the books of you fire a laser at a shield it causes a slight nuclear explosion at both ends.
So that's a slight deterrent
"Shields made the worms into killing frenzy" - Kynes, Dune Part 1
Worth mentioning:
Paul broke down this plan of using the messiah & marrying the Emperor's daughter to Dr Kines and Lady Jessica in Dune Part I. Paul also knows his visions aren't reliable.
Drinking from the water of life wasn't a requirement.
Taking the nukes off the table, the plan of attack was always possible by the Fremen, but as Chani says "when you believe in a Messiah, you'll wait for centuries..."
Everyone should have a hype-man like Stilgar.
I would love to see Star Trek reactions
I think if a director could marry the clarity and scope of Dune with the edginess and bloodshed of a Paul Verhoeven picture then you'd have the perfect film.
RE: Paul's visions, they are similar to Doc Strange's sorting through every possibility, confusing and unclear, but once Paul takes the Water of Life, he says his vision is now clear, with only one narrow path forward.
My favorite film of the year so far. The grand scale and epic scope of it all is what I love about movies. So glad to finally your reaction on here!
Yay! It finally went through. Good on you guys and congratulations.
In the books, Paul was able to know the desert and survive on his own without any help. He also needed no help to survive the worm poison/water of life and become the Kwisatz Haderach. They added that quality to make Chani more relevant, and to play down how Paul was superior in a way that would be about the most Mary Sue character ever written. Paul almost never fails.
Great reaction, guys! Being unfamiliar with the books, you really picked up on a lot of things. You are absolutely right in thinking the holy war would have started without Paul’s further help. If Paul had died, the zealots among the Fremen still would’ve pushed on and made dead Paul a sacred martyr for their cause.
Both movies were audiovisual feasts. I enjoyed them as entertainment alone. At the same time, they deviated significantly (particularly Part Two) from the novel. Denis Villeneuve simplified several things to black and white and took out some nuance and moral ambiguity: the rich shades of grey in the novel. Some changes and omissions are understandably unavoidable when adapting a book into a visual medium limited by time constraints, but Villeneuve made changes that contradict what Frank Herbert wrote.
Part Two changed the nature of Chani and distorted the character of Jessica and the Bene Gesserit. Princess Irulan was not Reverend Mother Mohiam’s best student. In the books, Irulan was a failed Bene Gesserit who aspired to be a historian. She was turned into a brilliant strategist who the Emperor relies on for advice. The Emperor in the book was no dummy. He was clever. And he wasn’t a worn-out frail man, either.
The Fremen are a very religious tribe and share similarities with real-world counterparts like the Jewish and Muslim peoples. They have varying levels of belief, yet none of them dismiss prophecy and the coming of the Lisan al Gaib. Some don’t think Paul is the messiah, but they do believe in a messiah. Also, they are not aware of the Bene Gesserit’s secret use of religious propaganda on Arrakis. The B.G. are accomplished manipulators and influence events from the shadows. Their goals are hidden, not common knowledge to people outside their order.
Chani in the book was a believer and understood Paul. To make her and some of the other Fremen both atheists and completely aware of B.G. manipulation is the opposite of how the Fremen were characterized by their creator. The change panders to current popular cultural trends and disregards the book’s political setting.
It also seems that Villeneuve enlarged the supporting roles of Chani and Irulan to give Zendaya and Florence Pugh more to do. The actors didn’t serve their characters-the characters were altered to serve the star power of two actors.
The B.G. are puppet masters in the series, but they are not completely amoral as depicted in the movie. They often use ruthless means to accomplish goals that would actually benefit humanity in the long run. It made no sense for Denis Villeneuve to have the B.G. plot to have all the Atreides killed (not found anywhere in the novel; they weren’t even involved in the Emperor’s conspiracy). They wanted to preserve all the bloodlines of the breeding program they took centuries to carefully develop, not destroy one of them.
Part Two also contradicts the fact that Mohiam specifically asked the Baron to spare Paul’s life in Part One, since Paul would be the last Atreides left during the invasion of Arrakeen. Then, in the second movie, she does a 180 and claims she wanted Paul and his line exterminated all along. Even if the B.G. couldn’t control Paul, his life (the genetic inheritance it contained) was still valuable to them, in keeping with their behavior in the book.
Another thing: the Emperor didn’t view Duke Leto Atreides as a weak man in the book. On the contrary, he admired Paul’s father. He was aware that the Duke inspired loyalty among his people and was liked by many of the Great Houses. He knew House Atreides’ military forces had become strong enough to rival his Sardaukar. This development, along with the Duke’s qualities as a popular leader, meant the Atreides were a potential threat to his rule. The Emperor personally liked the Duke to the extent that he once told his daughter, Irulan, that the Duke was worthy enough to be her husband, but she wasn’t old enough to marry at that time. Political necessity made the Duke an enemy and the Emperor acted out of self-preservation.
If the Duke were truly a weak man/weak leader as the Emperor said in the movie, then there would be no need to destroy House Atreides because a weak leader would not be a real threat in the first place.
The feeling I got after watching Part One and especially Part Two is that Villeneuve didn’t really understand the story and the characters as much as he claims. He also promoted this recent false narrative that Herbert only wrote Dune Messiah after he realized readers misunderstood Paul in the first book, viewing him as a traditional hero. Herbert actually had parts of the second and third books written before the first one was completed. Paul’s character trajectory was laid out from the beginning. Herbert intended for his readers to fall under Paul’s spell just as the Fremen did. The second book would show how big a mistake following such a charismatic leader would be.
The baby will be born with all the powers and knowledge of a Revrand Mother. Oh and the first film was setting everything into motion for this film, fruition. The next one is Messiah.
So glad you this is your first watch, makes it so much better.
Didn't realize you guys were new parents, congrats!
I saw Hans Zimmer a few years ago. He puts on a great show, you will have a ball.
The scene where Austin Butler kisses the Baron back wasn't scripted, he had a genuine reaction to the improvised kiss.
In the dual with Feyd, when Feyd stabs Paul in his side, that's the knife he takes out at the end to fatally stab Feyd.
I really find interesting watch how people react to Paul. Is kind a antihero. Great reaction, guys. Denis is one of my favorite director right now, and only he could have made the Dune story a success
One of my favorite movie reactors! You guys always provide great insight and commentary into movies! Keep up the good work! ❤😊
@6:28 "why dont they have shields" they have shields, but hey are in worm land, so they cant use them, as they attract worms, and sends them into a killing frenzy...
@45:51 "how did he get that knife" it was the knife that was stuck in him already, he just pulled it out and stabbed him with it...
Finally you released your reaction, can’t wait for Messiah.
I sure hope Irulan likes writing books!
I was kind of surprised they didn't have Count Fenring in the movie when they had Lady Fenring. The Count was the reason Paul's prescience wasn't of much use to him when he was fighting Feyd Rautha iirc, at least in the book.
Yes!!! They finally did it! The made a few changes from the books of Dune part 2 with Chani leaving Paul and Paul's sister being the one to kill the Baron. I am looking forward to Dune Messiah.
Removing two years of plot is more than a few changes 😅
@@LordVolkov yeah the changes were big.
Paul has a vision of Fayd's knife earlier in the movie, maybe the first movie? Its on screen for like a second in a little vision montage. That's how he knew what he had to do in the fight.
Unfortunately for the Great Houses decision to refuse Paul, it was a shortcut because the books have loads of stuff on the background politics of the great houses and other associated important institutions that the movies didn't have time to go into.
Drax got some serious anger issues haha. He didnt take too well the end of the guardians of the galaxy.
Remember Paul said she would come around. Plus the books she was his cocubine and he never showed the princess any love she was just there.
Also, Paul knew that he was going to get stabbed and plunge his into his heart. They showed the vision in a scene before the battle started.
You're right. This is not a sequel. It's one movie in two parts.
Great anniversary gift kudos Samantha,