Just wanted to say thank you for doing this comparison. We really tried to get the "sweet spot" of the Gen 2 burrs to be around 3-5 to address the feedback of the Gen 1 burrs not being able to grind fine enough, and watching this video just kind of brings it home that we did a solid job!
@@dpac9579 There will not be a retrofit kit for this. There are much larger changes inside the grinder that are not visible. The cost to do this is almost the cost of a new grinder.
@@nickterzulli8912 that’s definitely not worth the cost. Thank you for considering us fellow gen 1 users. Love the fact the new hopper and burrs can be changed and don’t cost a fortune.
You bet! Thanks so much for suggesting it. SHOUT OUT TO YOU @meatgeorge 👍 Looking back, I'd say, the SSP has very high clarity, and no doubt a far greater uniformity of grind distribution. So the SSP at 11, is a true representation of the extraction at the 11 setting, whereas the ODE, more likely has more fines involved in the cup, that are giving it some ooomph in flavour. And imagine fines being represented as a % of grounds that are smaller than the setting you're on, not necessarily a specific micron size ... this would lead the setting of 11 using ODE burrs to give me fines somewhere, let's say in the vicinity of perhaps the 5 settings (theoretically speaking) .. this might impact the extraction and show up in the cup. If I recall correctly, there was one particular bowl that had a very unique flavour note in it, that none of the other bowls had -and I promoted it up the order bc of this, as well as it having all other good attributes. I cannot recall which bowl that was, but it might have been the 11 Ode.
Always nice to see a “budget” version of something performing as well or better than high reputation/expensive version. Granted, I’m sure performance will vary when actually ground for a specific brew method, i.e. Aeropress, V60, Orea, French Press or whatever. It’d be fun to run the same experiment using several different brew methods. But that’d be a super deep rabbit hole!
A Great run-down on these two burr sets--and insightful explanations of the results, in the video and in comments below. Thanks--this review is a keeper!
Wait this is insane, I just skipped the SSP burrs for this now and bought a standard Ode Gen 2. Amazing presentation with the cups and the labels, so cool we can just get such great content for free.
Great video! I had very similar results comparing the SSP and Ode G2 burrs in terms of flavor profile and my preference when I did my comparison video. I prefer the Ode G2 burrs most of the time vs the SSP and the Gorilla Gear burrs. For the money they're hard to beat!
Thanks for sharing! 100% for the money I was shocked ! The SSp has very good clarity, I think I was a little leaning towards a cup that had a bit of everything - so good sweetness, acidity, some clarity - but also body, texture and finish. What stopped the 2 SSP cups from being the best was this BODY & FINISH, and equally, the last three cups being SSP just dropped off the pallet very quickly , versus the ODEs in the middle that still had enough body to carry some lingering flavour 👌
Holy smokes, thank you for doing all this work on one "sitting" and doing an excellent job keeping track of what is what. I have been unhappy with my pour overs since upgrading from my Kitchenaide burr grinder to the Ode Gen 2. I've been doing a grind setting of 5 and above and now after watching all your work, I wonder if I'm just not going fine enough. I will be trying a lower grind setting in the morning tomorrow. Thank you!
what a great and extensive video. Nevertheless you spoke about the settings 3,5 7,9 and. Would you say the setting 5 on Gen2 is similar to the 5 on the ssp? I would assume the ssp needs to be set coarser. How much coarser? So maybe the 4 on the ssp would come near to the taste of your Ode 3 setting.
yeah that's about right 👌 The SSP 5 was a little back from the Gen2 #5 setting, and yes you could almost match a coarser SSP grind with the finer Gen2 grind. however - trial and error is the way to go with this - and the coffee you are using. You could do your own experiment with 2-4 different grind settings and the beans you have - and see which setting works best 👌
Just bought the ode gen 1, to get more in poor over, at the Moment i realy Like the grinder and have No problem, with a limitation for finer grinds, i am now at 2.3-2.6 at 20g Coffee 300g water. But bought it, with the mind to Change burrs If necessary. The ode gen 1 now is about 200€ the gen 2 burrs 90€ SSP burrs 200€ and the gen 2 is about 350€. So it was worth the risk for me to buy other burrs later but so it is an fair prised start in Filter coffee. Before i tried pour over with my Eureka Atom 75, timemore C3 and 1Z presso J max. And None of that came Close to the ode so far...
Hi! Great review. A couple of coffee nerds started discussing if doing a cupping to evaluate a grind profile makes sense. Basically some people say that with inmersion brewing the grinder makes little to no difference as the coffee will be extracted to the same level after some time. Obviously you did notice differences but whats your opinion on it ? Thanks !
Thanks - it would only be my assumptions on an extraction theory I haven't really tested fully - but I would say, given different burr produce different quantities of fines / boulders and mids - and as each of these sizes extracts at a different rate - so will the overall bowl. So, - as each grinder has, not only a different mix of these grind sizes, but grinds specific geometries of these grinds, this also plays a role in the extraction rate. Ghost burrs for example - if you've ever seen grounds from these - you'll notice they're weirdly close to being geometrically symmetrical - although they also produce quite a large portion of fines as the trade-off to this. Get rid of the fines and you have some incredibly consistent extractions. So, I would say, no doubt there are other and perhaps better ways to compare - and I'm open to testing these out - let me know what you think may produce clearer results - that even cupping is a great way to compare different burr - Hope that sheds some light on this 😀
First off .. thank you for the excellent video here but also just in general. You’re starting to become my go to channel for coffee equipment information. The effort you put into the testing for these machines and the clear, detailed analysis you provide - I genuinely appreciate it 😊 Keeping that in mind .. I was hoping to hear your thoughts on a purchase dilemma I’m facing right now. I can get the DF64 here in Canada right now, and get a FREE add on of the SSP MP burrs 😮 It’s an AMAZING deal. I really wanna get it because of the value itself, but I’m a little confused after watching this video and your Varia VS3 ones. I’m now thinking maybe get two grinders instead of the one stop shop DF64 : Ode Gen 2 for filter and VS3 for espresso and the occasional filter. The price difference for the two grinder setup would be around $200 more i think but I don’t mind that in the grand scheme of things. What are your thoughts? Have you played around with the DF64 With SSP MPs ? Do you like the espresso and filter it produces ? How would you compare it to the VS3 for espresso ? What about workflow ? Id love to hear your thoughts! Cheers man !
Ooooh! 😂 If you had just ended the question with " the DF64 With SSP MPs ? Do you like the espresso and filter it produces ? How would you compare it to the VS3 for espresso ? Without mentioning Workflow - I would say the DF64 with SSP Burrs, will ultimately produce a better tasting coffee, filter or Espresso - after you get the feel for the burrs - and the sweet spot for both methods. HOWEVER - you mentioned workflow - and for this - I just don't think you can go wrong having separate Grinders for brewing methods. Dialling in and grind adjustment - I find, when jumping back and forth with Filter and espresso - especially espresso - there's always a greater chance of being off the ideal grind setting. When I dial in a bag of coffee, I accept there's a dose or two I may waste due to dialling in - but once dialled in, the Grind setting I have rarely changes much - if at all, and I'm consistently brewing the dialled in coffee. Versus, if not, then you'll be wasting a dose or two more here and there still throughout the bag, and that's not cool. This goes for Filter too. So neither the Varia VS3 or the Fellow Ode could individually beat the DF64 with SSP, but I think - as a combo on the brew bar- collectively they do 👌.
@@AlternativeBrewing haha sorry for the confusion 😅 but thank you so much for the reply - really appreciate it. Super detailed and helpful :) wishing you and the channel all the best!
really cool to know how much fellow has improved their burr design from gen 1. when I bought my gen 1 ode, the ssp burrs were really a must have since the ode burrs were so limited. Im thinking of buying a gen 2 as a birthday present and I dont think the ssp burrs are worth tha $150 upcharge anymore.
I currently have two ode1 grinders ( one with the SSP MP and the other one with the Gen2 burrs). At the beginning I was undecided to upgrade my second Ode between SSP cast vs Gen2 burrs. But for the price point Gen2 burrs are a home-run. But my coffee nerd mind is still curious on a comparison between the SSP MP vs SSP Cast vs Gen2 😅. Thanks for your review, great content!
Installing them is very straightforward to do this part. It's not, when it comes to calibrating them though, but follows an easy step-by-step process to align them correctly. Then once done, I made sure each burr was touch on 0, and went from there.
Hey, would you still suggest to get this or would you recommend any other grinders within the same price range focused mainly on filter. The deal on your website is too sweet to not miss but just wanted to ask for any alternatives before going all in! :)
Hi, I am using the Df 64 (Turin) with the Standard Setting (italmill burrs, flapper) In my opinion it produce too mich fines for my Filter V60. Did or could you test the Ode gen2 burrs in the Df 64? Does it work good for Filter. Does it produce the same result like in the Ode? Im Not shure if i shuld buy the Ode gen2 burrs for my df64. I Hope that you could help
I'll place it on my list 😀 The Ode Gen 2 burrs, I would suggest would perform better than default Italmill burrs, regardless of which grinder it is on.
Whats your opinion on ssp cast v2 vs gen ode v2 burrs. I bought the ode gen v2 today and im Not sure to change my ssp hu burrs for the mp or cast lab Sweet :)
I loved the Cast Lab Sweet over any other burr - that's personal preferences - though I was very pleased also with the Ode Gen2 burrs. SSP are great - but between the HU and the MP, you really need to be either espresso brewing (HU) or Filter brewing only (MP)... and still the differences are in clarity of flavour - at the expense of body and texture (mainly MP) and I find an easier time dialling in a great brew with the aforementioned burrs - CS Lab Sweet & Ode Gen 2 👌
French press should be fairly similar to pour over setting and not super coarse. I really don’t know why people keeping saying French press should be so coarse. It just comes out under extracted at that setting. Why should it be coarser than cupping?
Hi man, can you please tell if you know will Ode Gen 2 burrs fit Eureka Oro SD? I already have the grinder and I would like to replace Eureka stock burrs with Ode Gen 2 and use grinder only for V60. Lance Handrick mentioned in Oro review that Ode Gen 1 fits, but I am interested in Gen 2. And one bonus question if you know the answer 🙂 - is the difference between Eureka stock 65mm burrs for espresso and Ode Gen 2 very noticable when comparing on V60? Thanks
I've never tried , but I will try this for you. I gotta ay - that would be an improvement on the Eureka burr, perhaps for Filter coffee, but keep in mind, the Ode Gen2 burrs are not for Espresso brewing. - For V60, that's a comparison Ill have to follow when I do the Best Grinder for Filter Coffee video 😀
Not at all - more likely has something to do with the individual and their approach to appreciating flavour. I know many coffee aficionados who are milk based drinkers and have great palates - and yes, if everything just tastes like coffee, that’s a problem 😅 end of the day though, you know what you like
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Fellow Ode Gen2 Burrs Versus SSP Multipurpose Burr Upgrade
01:05 Ode Gen1 vs Ode Gen2 Burrs
01:53 Look at Ode Gen2 Burrs
02:11 Look at SSP Red Speed MP Burrs
03:19 Cupping Methodology
06:20 Retention Issues
07:26 Coffee Used for Cupping
08:20 Cupping Results
13:06 Conclusion
Just wanted to say thank you for doing this comparison. We really tried to get the "sweet spot" of the Gen 2 burrs to be around 3-5 to address the feedback of the Gen 1 burrs not being able to grind fine enough, and watching this video just kind of brings it home that we did a solid job!
Our pleasure! Thanks for tuning in 🙏 and congratulations on a great set of burrs!
Awesome design Nick! I find myself right between 4 and 5 for the V60 and Wave and couldn't be happier!
@nickterzulli8912 when will we see a kit to upgrade the gen 1 with deionizers? Love that the hopper is available for us gen 1 folks.
@@dpac9579 There will not be a retrofit kit for this. There are much larger changes inside the grinder that are not visible. The cost to do this is almost the cost of a new grinder.
@@nickterzulli8912 that’s definitely not worth the cost. Thank you for considering us fellow gen 1 users.
Love the fact the new hopper and burrs can be changed and don’t cost a fortune.
The editing quality of the comparisons is outstanding - really enjoyed this video.
Awesome, thank you!
As the guy that requested this comparison, thanks. This was informative, and very weird how one 11 came last and one 11 in the middle.
You bet! Thanks so much for suggesting it. SHOUT OUT TO YOU @meatgeorge 👍 Looking back, I'd say, the SSP has very high clarity, and no doubt a far greater uniformity of grind distribution. So the SSP at 11, is a true representation of the extraction at the 11 setting, whereas the ODE, more likely has more fines involved in the cup, that are giving it some ooomph in flavour. And imagine fines being represented as a % of grounds that are smaller than the setting you're on, not necessarily a specific micron size ... this would lead the setting of 11 using ODE burrs to give me fines somewhere, let's say in the vicinity of perhaps the 5 settings (theoretically speaking) .. this might impact the extraction and show up in the cup. If I recall correctly, there was one particular bowl that had a very unique flavour note in it, that none of the other bowls had -and I promoted it up the order bc of this, as well as it having all other good attributes. I cannot recall which bowl that was, but it might have been the 11 Ode.
Always nice to see a “budget” version of something performing as well or better than high reputation/expensive version. Granted, I’m sure performance will vary when actually ground for a specific brew method, i.e. Aeropress, V60, Orea, French Press or whatever. It’d be fun to run the same experiment using several different brew methods. But that’d be a super deep rabbit hole!
haha always teetering on the edge of that rabbit hole! maybe one day I'll take the leap! 🫶 thanks for watching
A Great run-down on these two burr sets--and insightful explanations of the results, in the video and in comments below. Thanks--this review is a keeper!
Anytime 👌
Wait this is insane, I just skipped the SSP burrs for this now and bought a standard Ode Gen 2. Amazing presentation with the cups and the labels, so cool we can just get such great content for free.
Glad you’re enjoying the content! 🙌
Great video! I had very similar results comparing the SSP and Ode G2 burrs in terms of flavor profile and my preference when I did my comparison video. I prefer the Ode G2 burrs most of the time vs the SSP and the Gorilla Gear burrs. For the money they're hard to beat!
Thanks for sharing! 100% for the money I was shocked ! The SSp has very good clarity, I think I was a little leaning towards a cup that had a bit of everything - so good sweetness, acidity, some clarity - but also body, texture and finish. What stopped the 2 SSP cups from being the best was this BODY & FINISH, and equally, the last three cups being SSP just dropped off the pallet very quickly , versus the ODEs in the middle that still had enough body to carry some lingering flavour 👌
I see that Ode gen 2 burrs are more forgiving than SSP MP, nicely done Fellow
Holy smokes, thank you for doing all this work on one "sitting" and doing an excellent job keeping track of what is what. I have been unhappy with my pour overs since upgrading from my Kitchenaide burr grinder to the Ode Gen 2. I've been doing a grind setting of 5 and above and now after watching all your work, I wonder if I'm just not going fine enough. I will be trying a lower grind setting in the morning tomorrow. Thank you!
You're very welcome!
I loved the methodology you tried 👌
Thanks
what a great and extensive video. Nevertheless you spoke about the settings 3,5 7,9 and. Would you say the setting 5 on Gen2 is similar to the 5 on the ssp? I would assume the ssp needs to be set coarser. How much coarser? So maybe the 4 on the ssp would come near to the taste of your Ode 3 setting.
yeah that's about right 👌 The SSP 5 was a little back from the Gen2 #5 setting, and yes you could almost match a coarser SSP grind with the finer Gen2 grind. however - trial and error is the way to go with this - and the coffee you are using. You could do your own experiment with 2-4 different grind settings and the beans you have - and see which setting works best 👌
so you would say 5 on ssp is like 4.1 on Gen 2? @@AlternativeBrewing
Just bought the ode gen 1, to get more in poor over, at the Moment i realy Like the grinder and have No problem, with a limitation for finer grinds, i am now at 2.3-2.6 at 20g Coffee 300g water. But bought it, with the mind to Change burrs If necessary. The ode gen 1 now is about 200€ the gen 2 burrs 90€ SSP burrs 200€ and the gen 2 is about 350€. So it was worth the risk for me to buy other burrs later but so it is an fair prised start in Filter coffee.
Before i tried pour over with my Eureka Atom 75, timemore C3 and 1Z presso J max. And None of that came Close to the ode so far...
Hi! Great review. A couple of coffee nerds started discussing if doing a cupping to evaluate a grind profile makes sense. Basically some people say that with inmersion brewing the grinder makes little to no difference as the coffee will be extracted to the same level after some time. Obviously you did notice differences but whats your opinion on it ? Thanks !
Thanks - it would only be my assumptions on an extraction theory I haven't really tested fully - but I would say, given different burr produce different quantities of fines / boulders and mids - and as each of these sizes extracts at a different rate - so will the overall bowl. So, - as each grinder has, not only a different mix of these grind sizes, but grinds specific geometries of these grinds, this also plays a role in the extraction rate. Ghost burrs for example - if you've ever seen grounds from these - you'll notice they're weirdly close to being geometrically symmetrical - although they also produce quite a large portion of fines as the trade-off to this. Get rid of the fines and you have some incredibly consistent extractions. So, I would say, no doubt there are other and perhaps better ways to compare - and I'm open to testing these out - let me know what you think may produce clearer results - that even cupping is a great way to compare different burr - Hope that sheds some light on this 😀
First off .. thank you for the excellent video here but also just in general. You’re starting to become my go to channel for coffee equipment information. The effort you put into the testing for these machines and the clear, detailed analysis you provide - I genuinely appreciate it 😊
Keeping that in mind .. I was hoping to hear your thoughts on a purchase dilemma I’m facing right now. I can get the DF64 here in Canada right now, and get a FREE add on of the SSP MP burrs 😮 It’s an AMAZING deal. I really wanna get it because of the value itself, but I’m a little confused after watching this video and your Varia VS3 ones. I’m now thinking maybe get two grinders instead of the one stop shop DF64 : Ode Gen 2 for filter and VS3 for espresso and the occasional filter. The price difference for the two grinder setup would be around $200 more i think but I don’t mind that in the grand scheme of things.
What are your thoughts? Have you played around with the DF64 With SSP MPs ? Do you like the espresso and filter it produces ? How would you compare it to the VS3 for espresso ? What about workflow ?
Id love to hear your thoughts! Cheers man !
Ooooh! 😂 If you had just ended the question with " the DF64 With SSP MPs ? Do you like the espresso and filter it produces ? How would you compare it to the VS3 for espresso ?
Without mentioning Workflow - I would say the DF64 with SSP Burrs, will ultimately produce a better tasting coffee, filter or Espresso - after you get the feel for the burrs - and the sweet spot for both methods.
HOWEVER - you mentioned workflow - and for this - I just don't think you can go wrong having separate Grinders for brewing methods.
Dialling in and grind adjustment - I find, when jumping back and forth with Filter and espresso - especially espresso - there's always a greater chance of being off the ideal grind setting. When I dial in a bag of coffee, I accept there's a dose or two I may waste due to dialling in - but once dialled in, the Grind setting I have rarely changes much - if at all, and I'm consistently brewing the dialled in coffee. Versus, if not, then you'll be wasting a dose or two more here and there still throughout the bag, and that's not cool. This goes for Filter too.
So neither the Varia VS3 or the Fellow Ode could individually beat the DF64 with SSP, but I think - as a combo on the brew bar- collectively they do 👌.
@@AlternativeBrewing haha sorry for the confusion 😅 but thank you so much for the reply - really appreciate it. Super detailed and helpful :) wishing you and the channel all the best!
really cool to know how much fellow has improved their burr design from gen 1. when I bought my gen 1 ode, the ssp burrs were really a must have since the ode burrs were so limited. Im thinking of buying a gen 2 as a birthday present and I dont think the ssp burrs are worth tha $150 upcharge anymore.
I currently have two ode1 grinders ( one with the SSP MP and the other one with the Gen2 burrs). At the beginning I was undecided to upgrade my second Ode between SSP cast vs Gen2 burrs. But for the price point Gen2 burrs are a home-run. But my coffee nerd mind is still curious on a comparison between the SSP MP vs SSP Cast vs Gen2 😅. Thanks for your review, great content!
my pleasure! 100% would like more time with the Cast Steels 👌
I'm curious how you had your burrs calibrated. Did you put the SSPs in yourself or get them done at the factory?
Installing them is very straightforward to do this part. It's not, when it comes to calibrating them though, but follows an easy step-by-step process to align them correctly. Then once done, I made sure each burr was touch on 0, and went from there.
Hey, would you still suggest to get this or would you recommend any other grinders within the same price range focused mainly on filter. The deal on your website is too sweet to not miss but just wanted to ask for any alternatives before going all in! :)
Yes, definitely this 😁 Ode Gen 2 is the real deal
@ Thank you! Ordered from your website today ! ♥️
You’re gonna love it 🙌
Hi,
I am using the Df 64 (Turin) with the Standard Setting (italmill burrs, flapper)
In my opinion it produce too mich fines for my Filter V60.
Did or could you test the Ode gen2 burrs in the Df 64?
Does it work good for Filter. Does it produce the same result like in the Ode?
Im Not shure if i shuld buy the Ode gen2 burrs for my df64.
I Hope that you could help
I'll place it on my list 😀 The Ode Gen 2 burrs, I would suggest would perform better than default Italmill burrs, regardless of which grinder it is on.
@@AlternativeBrewing Wow, thx for your fast answer. I am really looking forward for your test. Greetings from Germany
Nice! The Ode Gen2 burrs seem impressive! Are you going to get your hands on any of the Timemore Sculptors?
That's the plan!
@@AlternativeBrewing Awesome! Looking forward to it! :)
Great review👍 Does this mean you would recommend Ode2 burrs with setting 3 for Moccamaster with filter then?
Perhaps not a #3 -- #5-7 I'd say would work a treat 👌 #3 would be better for a single serve pourover
@@AlternativeBrewing Thank you🙏
Thanks for doing this!
My pleasure!
Whats your opinion on ssp cast v2 vs gen ode v2 burrs. I bought the ode gen v2 today and im Not sure to change my ssp hu burrs for the mp or cast lab Sweet :)
I loved the Cast Lab Sweet over any other burr - that's personal preferences - though I was very pleased also with the Ode Gen2 burrs. SSP are great - but between the HU and the MP, you really need to be either espresso brewing (HU) or Filter brewing only (MP)... and still the differences are in clarity of flavour - at the expense of body and texture (mainly MP) and I find an easier time dialling in a great brew with the aforementioned burrs - CS Lab Sweet & Ode Gen 2 👌
Loving the fact that I own the SSP burrs already 🤣
Doh...
hahahaha You really can't go wrong either way 🫶
French press should be fairly similar to pour over setting and not super coarse. I really don’t know why people keeping saying French press should be so coarse. It just comes out under extracted at that setting. Why should it be coarser than cupping?
Hi man, can you please tell if you know will Ode Gen 2 burrs fit Eureka Oro SD? I already have the grinder and I would like to replace Eureka stock burrs with Ode Gen 2 and use grinder only for V60. Lance Handrick mentioned in Oro review that Ode Gen 1 fits, but I am interested in Gen 2. And one bonus question if you know the answer 🙂 - is the difference between Eureka stock 65mm burrs for espresso and Ode Gen 2 very noticable when comparing on V60? Thanks
I've never tried , but I will try this for you. I gotta ay - that would be an improvement on the Eureka burr, perhaps for Filter coffee, but keep in mind, the Ode Gen2 burrs are not for Espresso brewing. - For V60, that's a comparison Ill have to follow when I do the Best Grinder for Filter Coffee video 😀
@@AlternativeBrewing thanks man. Yes, if I make the replacement I will only use Oro SD for V60.
@@AlternativeBrewing also keep in mind the RPM is different between them so the test will not the same
I use - and am very happy with - my Comandante C40 and I'm still not sure whether it will be worth upgrading to an Ode Gen 2.
I did, and the workflow with the Ode is so satisfying, clean and fast. 30 g in under 10 s, no mess, automatic shut off.
Pietro vs ode 2
Ode 2 🔥
@@AlternativeBrewing taste wise? Or only workflow
both. perhaps flavour on-par - but overall you'll have a much better time with the ODE 🫶
@@sammyrabbat384
FINALLY
go figure
Does one need to be a purist who drinks coffee black to fully appreciate the subtle between good quality burrs?
Not at all - more likely has something to do with the individual and their approach to appreciating flavour. I know many coffee aficionados who are milk based drinkers and have great palates - and yes, if everything just tastes like coffee, that’s a problem 😅 end of the day though, you know what you like
@@AlternativeBrewing 🙏
Great job @nicholasnumbers