Ask Nick Anything: Answering all your questions about Ode Gen 2
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- Опубликовано: 29 ноя 2022
- We put Fellow’s VP of R&D and Certified Q Grader, Nick Terzulli in the hot seat to answer all of your questions about Ode Gen 2, Gen 2 Brew Burrs, and all things specialty coffee.
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Nick is legendary! what a great dude, thanks for taking the time!
I’m scratching my head as to why there is an espresso machine sitting next to Nick when he tells us over and over again in the video that the Ode is not for Espresso.
I know right.. talk about mixed messages..
At time mark 9:28 Nick says you can do a 6 bar (or less) lighter body espresso shot grinding just off burr touch (the zero notch?) probably suggesting you could occasionally do this BUT not for everyday use.
It’s barley in the shot
Foreshadowing to the espresso grinder that they’re making this year
@@Leapoffaith4 yes. Real espresso heads will be drawn to this strategic propaganda move.
I love the slide mug! It’s perfectly designed and leak-proof - thank you!
That was an excellent run down on the burrs.
Great job on the upgrades, I did get mine with installed SSP burrs, I like clarity with light roasts like most African beans, or natural and honey processed. My brews are outstanding. I would be happy with the Gen2 burrs for my office which I will get eventually. That said, improved Hopper and anti-static are great, I rehomed my Gen1 because it was so messy. And now I don't have to push my beans down inside the grinder. I never use oily beans in my grinders and I still had the sliding bean problem. Kudos to you for this most excellent grinder
Appreciate the feedback, EJ! 🖤
my gen 1 grinder was amazing but it is now junk with a broken button! the button won’t budge. i even paid for the upgraded ssp burrs. who cares about the burrs or the flavor profile of the coffee if the grinder won’t turn on. fellow doesn’t stand by their product.
Hi Nick. I am just enjoying my new grinder. I like it so much, you did amazing job! There is only one little annoying part, the plastic lid of the grind's cup that is kind of shaking around. Is there any plan for upgrade, for example wit some magnetic lid in future to avoid dropping off and shaking?
Can you make an updated grind size sticker for the lid for those that upgraded to the Ode 2 burrs in the Ode 1 body?
Question?. The hopper is changed but does lids for the old versions also fit the new Gen2 ? great video i might get one of these once it comes to europe.
Hi Nick - thanks for video. When you mention to go up 3-4 clicks for a bigger dose (assuming around a half liter/30-32g coffee), is that for only SSP MP or Gen 2 as well?
As a Gen 1 owner, you know what issue it faces and what other owners complained. That being said, have you ever consider some discount or even trade program for Gen 1 owners to show some care to some of the loyal custmers that supported this original prototype?
Crickets....
Just received my Gen 2 grinder and bought it with the upgraded SSP MP burrs. I had the gen 1 grinder when I began my journey into the pour over world. So graduating up to the Gen 2 with the upgraded SSP MP burrs is like skipping the Masters degree, bypassing the PHD student courses, and jumping right into PHD candidacy! Indeed it was a big jump for me, but so overjoyed with the user index in terms of the grind settings. Where I used to go as low as #3 with certain beans, now I can turn it all the way to 11 (or 33) and get the same coarseness. Which opens me up to a world of finer grind settings for lighter roasts. The flavors I’m experiencing from roasts I’ve used before is beyond words!!! I had no idea how much flavor was hiding inside some of these roasts! I’m having so much fun exploring more recipes with these new finer grinds. A huge new user index!
Extremely satisfying!
John.
I use an aeropress with light roast coffee from Ceremony. I just assumed I should stick with one setting (it's one stroke above 3 currently). Are you saying you're using different grind settings with the same coffee making method? That never occurred to me!
I hope you come through with the updated hopper for the Gen 1 and that it does make a difference. Every time I grind my beans, I stand in front of the Ode with a chopstick and I have to prod and poke the beans through and hope I get them all before the auto-stop kicks in.
Anyone know what grind size on the Gen 2 would be good for a Moka Pot? (as it doesn't have to be as fine as proper espresso!)
We need next a gen3 with variable speed something like 300-1400 RPM this will make the ode fellow unbeatable
good job,which brand of burr does perfectly fit on my ode first version,under 209 serial number?
What would be the medium fine setting on the Ode 2, w/ gen 2 burr. Not sure
Just ordered a gen 2, I’m only making 2-4 cups a day so it’s probably overkill but I was tired of death gripping my varia hand grinder
Great information. The dark roast beans I grind are incredibly oily...where I must help them along down the hopper or the motor shuts off (as it should). Consistent grind everytime 👍
Clean your grinder thoroughly, buy an aeropress or a gooseneck kettle (if you don't have one) and a v60 and try some lighter coffees. I've converted many dark roast drinkers. Nothing wrong with darker roasts but if they're extremely oily they're either too dark IMO or they're stale and were roasted several weeks/months ago.
😂😂😂
I've seen some of the best dark roasted coffee that is oily, even it was jusr roasted. @danielcohn6884
Hi! Was your 4-5 SSP recommendation based on 5 clicks past chirp? Thanks
Hi Nick , Can you tell me when the ode Gen2 will be hitting the uk. I have tried to order direct but your web site states that you cannot ship to my address. Thank you.
Where do I start for v60
How is static removed?
Will the newly designed more freely flowing feed hopper that the Gen 2 Ode comes with be availible as a retrofit for the Gen 1 Ode? I hope so becasue now that I've installed the Gen 2 burrs in my Gen 1 Ode, the only thing that doesn't work as well as I'd like it to on the machine is the feed hopper. I have to repeatedly smack the side of the grinder with the palm of my hand as it's grinding, to make sure that all the beans drop down into the grinding chamber.
Thanks.
Edit. A couple of minutes after I typed my comment you adressed this exact question. I hope you can make it work!
crickets again...
@@hctim96 True.
With the Gen 2, what is a good go-to grind size for the Moccamaster. Just ordered a Gen 2 to go with my new Moccamaster. I’ve never had a high quality grinder or machine before.
Hey man, really late to this video since I just was watching it for a reference point when I upgraded by Gen 1 burrs to the Gen 2. As a fellow Moccamaster user, know that firstly, the Moccamaster is SUPER forgiving in the cup. It excels at getting a really thick body that's rich in the more savory flavors out of a coffee which is compounded by the gen 2 burrs. In my experience, brewing a liter at 60g/L, I would recommend around a 6-7 on the dial of the grinder. Granted, I don't know if Fellow changed the thread pitch between the Gen 1 and 2, meaning the same burr may fall in a different range on each, but in my experience that makes really solid tasting coffee. Bear in mind the Moccamaster favors a coarser grind compared to pour-over or other batch brewers, like the Ratio, mostly due to its flow characteristics with the single hole at the bottom of the basket.
For big batch brews, I'm big on anaerobic process high-altitude South American coffees, especially Bolivia and Colombia. If that sounds like your cup of coffee, then I hope this steers you in the right direction! I would also say that lower doses also taste great and can bring out some of the florals more, like a 50g/L cup can still taste great.
Why many stores say you can't use this for moka pots?
Would love to see an even bigger accessory hopper + catch box because for cold brew i often need to grind 150-200 grams of beans and that would make the Ode the perfect all in one grinder for what I do.
That's not what the grinder is designed to be. They're filling a niche, single dose market for coffee enthusiasts. Cold brew is frowned upon by most specialty enthusiasts (not to yuck your yum, but it's just poorly extracted oxidized coffee) and it's not that sensitive to grind size. Get a cheap burr grinder with a meta hopper for that, or grind a bag relatively course at your local coffee shop.
I'd have no problem with them providing it as an additional accessory, but I doubt higher ups at fellow will deem it a worthwhile investment from an R&D/production cost per vo ok ume standpoint. A small percentage of people will buy it. They'll make a million of them and never sell them
Legends
Hi, I just Purchased the Gen 2. What dial setting on the Gen 2 would match the number 6 position on the 1st Gen Grinder?
A 6 on Gen 1 is going to be somewhere around a 9 to 9.2 on Gen 2.
So what grind setting i should be using with this new gen 2 if I'm using Moccamaster cup one coffee machine?
Also my preference is medium roast beens.
Thank you in advance 👍🏻
Hey Trojkeddd! Please send an email over to hello@fellowproducts.com so we can offer in depth assistance here :)
And I thought that Nick can answer that question without any further steps 😂
But anyway yes I just did do that so I hope that I can get my answer sooner than later 👍🏻
Using the brush every day to clean any left over rentention, will it damage the antistatic portion of the Ode2?
It shouldn't but if you don't want to use the brush a micro fiber cloth works great too!
hu Nick, Is Cafiza tablets the best for cleaning Ode v2 and if its not what tablets you recommend ?
Hi Mohammad! We recommend Urnex Grindz™ grinder cleaning tablets. These are designed to prevent clogging by freeing coffee particles stuck to the burrs and
absorbing/removing odors and coffee oil residue.
To use the tablets, make sure all beans are run through your
grinder by running it for 10-20 seconds. Use the cleaning tablet
instructions to place appropriate amount into grinder. Adjust the
grind setting to 11 and press the power button to run the grinder.
Grind all of the tablets into the catch. Once complete, we
recommend grinding approximately 30 g coffee to remove any tablet
residue. Discard the ground tablets/coffee from the catch and clean.
The biggest problem I have encountered with the original Ode (and I am on my 3rd Ode) is that the beans (mostly dark roast) do not go down the hopper without help from your fingers.
This is 'extremely' frustrating.
The Ode 2 hopper does not look any different than the original. Has this been highly tested with dark roast?
You need to take another look. The angle is quite different. I read somewhere the slope is like 8% steeper in the Gen 2.
What is the difference in the auger/rotational burr carrier--gen 1 v. 2? Is the gen 2 ode auger/carrier designed to be retrofitted to the original ode? Fellow's site says gen 1 auger is not compatible with gen 2 ode.
The Gen 2 auger has updates so the burrs always sit on the correct face. It also has some tolerance updates for better fitment. The Gen 1 auger can fit into a Gen 2, but the Gen 2 is a bit better. This is why we recommend keeping them separate.
I've been waiting for this Gen 2 Ode to become available. This will be my first electric grinder, been only hand grinding for the last 4 or 5 years and I'm ready to push a button! I'll be using it only for French Press and wondering if the Gen 2 burrs will be best or if perhaps SSP cast burrs would be best for French Press? Not sure how keen I am on replacing burrs myself just yet. Another thought is buying 2 Ode grinders keep Gen 2 burrs in one and get the other Ode with SSP cast and then use them over time to see which flavor profile I like best? Thoughts and ideas anyone may have are welcome. Most youtube videos are either focused on espresso or pour over so hasn't been easy hearing much about grinders or burr sets for french press. Thank you
Every burr is going to produce a slightly different flavor profile. I would recommend buying a stock Ode Gen 2 and seeing how you like it, and if you want to upgrade you can always buy a set of the SSP Cast burrs. The SSP Cast are guaranteed to fit into the Ode Gen 2 design.
@@nickterzulli8912 Thank you Nick
Hey guys awesome video. Could you please advise why the gen 2 augers don’t fit the gen 1? Was hoping to get the updated auger with its tighter tolerances.
Hi Philip! These burrs should fit into the Gen 1. We have our Ode expert Nick show you how to do that here: ruclips.net/video/5VmzxMglybo/видео.html. He also explains what to do if the auger doesn't fit. We're here to help if you have any other questions!
So no way to upgrade a gen 1 with the anti-static thing?
Unfortunately no as I have a gen 1 with ssp and I know how bad the static can get. However doing some rdt before grinding basically eliminates the static issue.
Very first grind of my new Gen 2 Ode. Jammed. Hitting and banging -as advised! - did not work. Taking it apart at 7 AM, without coffee. $345. for this experience? That's my question. That and my sanity regarding this purchase.
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I want to buy a gen 2 but am afraid of this happening. Thanks for the testimony. No matter what I do, I figure I need to keep my old grinders that work, as backup.
I just got gen 2. For me, even setting 11 is too fine for pour over specially when I make 700g water. Water stuck in half way and taking much longer time. And it get bitter. Any solution with technic or change blade?
Hi Yukiko,
Fellow has another video on installing the gen2 burrs in an Ode. That video talks about calibrating the dial numbers so that dial setting 1 is just off of the burr touch point.
You could probably use this calibration procedure but calibrate the dial setting so that setting 1 is much further from the burr touch point.
That way, your grind settings will be much coarser than the factory calibration and you can test if your settings are coarse enough for your pour over brews.
You might have to do some trial and error with your calibration to see how far from touch point at setting 1 to find the grind size adjustment range you are happy with for your pour overs
ruclips.net/video/5VmzxMglybo/видео.html
Thank you for your reply. I got ode gen2 begging of Dec. and I had family guests so I went through over 20 packs of 250g then beginning of this month, I noticed setting getting loose so I started to change back to 8, 7 played around with dial continued making chemex for big quantities and afternoon for Karita(yes! I got for one of Christmas presents), but I went ahead to recalibrate the grinder. Now 7-8 setting is like sea salt. So far so good! Thank you so much!
How often do you recommend to do calibration?
@@yukikomurakami9727 I think it makes sense to recalibrate after seasoning, but you should probably be good unless the grinder gets damaged ( like maybe a rock in your bag of beans). Maybe just give it some thought every 6-12 months? If you are happy with the grind then I don’t think you need to recalibrate. Especially since you are not calibrating to burr touch you will have trouble consistently calibrating your grinder, so I wouldn’t touch the calibration when you are happy with the results
Not exactly a complaint but I have noticed that the antistatic piece has a way of pulling grinds to it and retaining those via, what appears to be, static. When you bump the grinder or brush the antistatic tool, tons of extra coffee comes out.
The exit chute needs to be cleaned periodically to maintain the best performance. Unfortunately fine coffee particles tend to get everywhere, and the more fines migrate to the anti-static pins the more it can impact the static reduction. I made a quick video about it here: ruclips.net/video/u0ShJI6lYJI/видео.html
hii,can i use ode gen2 burr for the oldest i mean first version of ode 1?
Hey Kalari! Please send an email over to hello@fellowproducts.com so we can offer in depth assistance here :)
@@FellowProducts i appreciate it ill do it
@fellow
Question : Can we replace the new 2nd gen burr with the 1st gen burr ?
Love seeing the upgrades, but as an owner of the Ode gen1 with SSP (purchased earlier this year) it would be great to see a way to "trade-up" if Fellow could offer a big discount for a trade in or something like that.
I bought the Ode Gen 1 with SSP earlier this year and had jamming issues. Fellow allowed me to return that grinder in exchange for store credit, which I then used on a Gen 2 Ode (which has been fantastic so far!).
@@chrisgaray87 interesting. I've had occasional jamming but only a few times over months. I wouldn't want to miss out on SSP burrs though which would possibly make the upgrade pricey even with store credit. Hmmm.
In a one year old video by James Hoffman (ruclips.net/video/7QYlExoEpvA/видео.html), he discusses the danger of adding SSP burrs to the Ode since the motor wasn't spec'd to use them. If the Ode Gen 2 still uses the same motor, but can come with SSP burrs, wouldn't the same concern about longevity apply?
We wouldn't sell Ode with SSP burrs if the combination was not compatible. We calibrate the SSP burrs to be 5 clicks off of burr touch from the factory so that espresso is not possible out of the box. Grinding for filter coffee is just fine.
@@nickterzulli8912 Thanks for the detail about the Ode SSPs initial calibration, I'd assumed all the grinders were shipped one click up from touch. Given the variations present with the different grinder configurations that Fellow offers, it does bring up a "Wish List" item I have for Fellow if they get around to it. What would be great is a comparison chart of what the factory calibrations are from Fellow for the 3 common versions of Ode + Burr configurations, a correlation guide for each grinder to the other (Click 3 on Ode G2 = Click 3.4 on Ode G2 w/ SSP = Click 2.1 on Ode G1 etc.), and a micron specification guide for each grinder configuration that could be used as reference in conjunction with something like the Kruve Brewler. This reference data would be tremendous for the home brewer as we're trying to dial in various brew device and recipes. Currently I'm working on finding the right settings for Hario V60 and comparing the Ode G2 and the Ode G2 w/SSP to find the one that tastes the best for my coffees. BTW, love the design and features of the Ode Gen 2, the updates from Gen 1 are very much appreciated!
I'm scratching my head, I got some SSP MP burrs that I got from a third party retailer and the Ode Gen2 2 days ago. I'm thinking in returning the MPs, but here's my dilema:
I already got a Comandante C40 and I've being getting really nice results in my brews, lot of body and sweetness, maybe not clarity. I imagine that the Gen2 Burrs are going to be similar to the Comandante results right? With the same forgiveness that Nick says. While the MPs are going to be harder to dial and analytical with coffee beans/roasting defects, right? If the Gen2 Burrs are similar to the results in the Comandante C40 but maybe a little better, it could be worth it to install those MPs for real different options at my kitchen.
Are the MPs going to be consistent if the brew technique is also consistent? Maybe it's just that I'm still missing to taste that cup with extreme clarity. If the MPs are worth the try and clarity is achievable on 1 from 3 brews, I think it would be worth to keep them.
Anyone has compared the flavor profile on these 2 burrs sets against a Comandante C40 and maybe also the hassle to achieve good cups?
I got a gen 2 with gen 2 burrs.
I like the taste better than my with comandante.
Like nick said they are less fussy, each to get a really good coffee
I own a comandante C40 MK4 and really like it, however part of me wonders if I would prefer the ODE Gen 2 or the new coming up Opus so I'll wait for reviews on that and then ponder even more 😂
NEED YOUR HELP PLEASE ●●●●
Hey Nick, I have a 2023 gen 2 with ssp mp burrs. My machine constantly sounds like a truck, And my grind size doesn't seem to change much on the dial. I have calibrated my grinder 3 different times, Today was the third time because all the sudden my coffee It's tasting weak with no flavor And this coffee I use with the same brewers are usually phenomenal tasting And are very consistent. So I know it's the grinder again. I recalibrated today and went from a 7.1 to a 8.1 And there did not seem to be a change in the size of the grind. Also the new cup of coffee, the 5th one today again tasted terrible. I think from the beginning there was a problem with the Auger unfortunately I am very, VERY ill and have been for almost 20 years now So for me to mess around taking it apart and making the Augar fit tighter is actually impossible for me to do Without fainting. For real. I know the grinder been a problem from the beginning and I did call but keep getting out sourced and these phone calls with no help. I really need and would really appreciate your help in this matter. Since I am so sick I really need a good machine when I buy one that just works without me having to mess with all the time because of my bad health .
PLEASE HELP ME NICK 😢
Please......
What does SSP means?
SSP is the name of a company from South Korea that makes burrs for coffee grinders
There very nice burrs if you like high clarity in your coffee.
Bottomline, i enjoy my coffee using ode gen2 as much as using my timemore c3. This manufacturers are just competing to make money. 😅
it's very frustrating that all those who purchased a Gen 1 have burrs that don't grind fine enough for a V60. I know you have rectified this but it sucks for all the early buyers. You should do something for those who purchased the Gen 1.
They sold the Gen2 burrs to early backers at a HEAVILY discounted price. And then extended the discount as well.
Not sure if they gave backers free burrs or not. But they went out of their way fur early backers
@@braxtonjens7839 They did send kickstarter backers a free set of gen 2 burrs, as well.
IMO they should comp or give a deep discount Gen2 burrs to anyone that purchased a Gen1 still under warranty.
@@braxtonjens7839 so if I wasn't a early backer and just a person who purchased a gen 1 when it came out how does that help me ? like common man. 80 bucks to "upgrade" my grinder
Pretty sure they had a discount for a month or so that chopped the price by like 40%.
These suck. I spend more time taking it apart and trying to fix it then I did grinding coffee with a hand grinder.
I cant afford a Fellow Opus but would love to get it done day. For now these videos will suffice.