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Hello Asser! Not sure if you remember me from your earlier 1Zpresso videos. I'm the one who has been trying to push the JS and the Zp6 a lot even back then. I'm the one who actually sent a Zp6 to mr Lance Hedrick in the hopes that he could get enough attention for 1Zpresso to re-release it. I'm glad you finally got your hands on a JS/Zp6 variant. While I am ecstatic that the International market will finally have access to this burr set, its specific implementation isn't as good as I was hoping for. First and foremost, as you said, it is just a K Pro with the 'unimodal brew' burr set slapped on. If they were going to do that, I wish they just slapped it on the K Plus body for the magnetic grounds cup. Furthermore they did away with the special triple bearing outer burr carrier/cage that was present in the original Zp6. Finally the prices from the official Taiwan 1Zpresso store on Shopee TW has it for cheaper than for international market. While not as value-for-money as I was hoping it to be, I am so glad that many people are going to have access to an objectively better performing hand-grinder than the Comandante C40 for less money. I hope they also release the KS variant for an even greater value-for-money option or for lower budget customers. Still even with my testing back in 2020 with the JS and Zp6, these are more even grinding than the C40 but it is marginal. Perhaps noticeable to the very discerning palate or in a side-by-side but both are performing so closely that a few adjustments in brew recipe would be able to even out the brews. For me the value is more of that it is more affordable than the C40 (which I believe is overpriced) and I do not approve of the way the Comandante business is being run from their product development/consumer feedback to their aggressive litigation. Rant aside and with regards to your video and testing, I'm glad differences are still obvious even with the great equalizer known as the drip-assist aka minimized agitation. I do believe the differences will be noticeably greater between the 1Zpresso grinders especially when it comes to pushing extraction, higher agitation, and even higher grade or more complex coffees. I do believe the other 1Zpresso grinders are good performers but I know that the reason why the Zp6 and JS was not successful in Taiwan was because their preferred roast, cup, and recipe profile were for lower extractions where this brew burr can come off as thin, one note, and flat. Coincidentally this is where in my opinion the K Plus shines. I'm personally not a fan of the K Plus cup profile where I'd prefer the C40 over that but again I hope that since the Zp6 is now available internationally, people will shift away and will force Comandante to actually innovate instead of filing lawsuits over frivolous things.
Also my experience with dialing in the Zp6 vs C40, at identical grind settings compared via Gagne particle app/Kruve Sifting, the Zp6 will drawdown faster and be weaker. Grinding finer and at matching total brew times, the Zp6 still has slightly less body and flavors have less intensity but the brew is definitely cleaner. Finally the sweet spot for the Zp6 for me was grinding even finer where the drawdown is longer than the C40 where intensity is now the same as the C40 but with greater mid-palate sweetness, less end-extract notes, higher clarity, and more rounded acidity. Again when both are at their sweet spots, this is a small difference that could go either way in terms of preference of the drinker but more importantly we now have an objectively equal if not better option so we need not buy a C40.
Hi Marc, thanks for the thoughtful comment. Yes, I do remember our conversation from a long time ago! It's great to see this grinder finally being re-released and living up to much of the hype. For the money, it's good value, but it could probably be an even better deal if it came in the Ks-model. Let's hope they consider that! I'm curious if you have tried the K-Max? Feel free, to send a message on IG, I think we are already connected over there.
Very thorough and great video Asser! I really appreciate you taking the time to show a true blind test, it gives me more confidence in your opinion on these grinders. I also appreciate your comment on these grinders vs flat burrs. Even though they are very different, I've always been curious how they stack up in terms of pour over specifically as the conversation around flat burrs is usually focused on espresso.
I haven't blind tested them side by side, but I think zp6 is really similar with the sspls on df64 in terms of filter, probably because of alignment. Both super forgiving and tastes great. Thanks for the great review! I was wondering how would zp6 do compared with kmax and q2. Nice to see it beat them both even though marginally, when they're arguably the best handgrinder burrs right now. I think low torque makes grinding with zp6 quite enjoyable.
I think it's like cars or electronics - when you're shopping for one, you look at them all and really study what you want BUT when you buy it, you need to stop looking and bascially ignore the market for a while so you don't get "newest launch" envy haha! Because your purchase is still worth just enjoying for what it is. Grinders must be the same.
I've been using a K-Ultra for almost a week now for V60 pourover and French Press. When I eventually get an Espresso machine, it'll be put to use there too! 1ZPresso also said on their socials that the burr set is slightly different than the K-Plus and K-Max.
Your past reviews influenced my purchase of a JX, and I regret nothing. It's a huge step up from the Hario Skerton I'd used for years, in grind consistency, comfort and speed. Perhaps in the future, I'll consider the ZP6 for pourover only duty, should I get a manual lever espresso machine. I still think the 1Zpresso lineup is needlessly complex. I'd personally reduce it to 5 models, a compact all-around grinder (Q2), an entry all-around grinder with 30 g capacity (JX), and then 3 top-tier models with the same body for all-around (K-Max), espresso (J-Max), and pour-over (ZP6, but why not use the 'Max' body and call it the Z-Max?). The X Pro doesn't make much sense to me, as I have small hands and JX ergonomics are no problem.
Hi Asser 👋 1 . How the flavour cup profile compare between these two bringers ZP6 (special) vs JX-PRO ? 2 . Is ZP6 (special) better that JX-PRO or vice versa ?
THIS is the answer that I've been looking for! I've always thought high clarity conical hand grinders can go up against high quality burrs like SSP or sweet lab. Thought I could save a few bucks but I think I would rather save a bit more and get a flat burr grinder.
I second this - bought the K-max and I just think the amount of fines it produces is too high and the extra bucks that a grinder with ssp burrs costs will probably be worth it in the long run. Then its time to worry about the water, which is a much more annoying problem 🥴
@@nikolajhansen15 kinda late. Ode 2 is on par with k ultra or any heptagonal mostly. That means that zp6 is better. If you swapped for ssp mp though, that would be better instead
Hello Asser, any thoughts on what kind of differences I can expect in flavor between the ZP6 and the Fellow Ode Gen 2 (with Gen 2 Burrs)? Does the ZP6 do well with French Press also? And if I'm just going to use the grinder when traveling (Since I have the Ode Gen2 w/ G2 Burrs), should I spend for the ZP6 or just stick with a Q2? My main focus will be brewing with a Hario V60 using the Tetsu 4:6 method, as I have yet to master a 3 pour method :/ Thanks for the great videos! We very much appreciate the depth of content and your production quality!
It's unfortunate that 1zpresso sells so few models in Europe at the moment, but I was able to get K-Max and it seem I can finally brew finer grind pour over without noticeable bitter notes in it. I really like it.
Hi! Thank you for the review done so straight forwardly! I have tried the JX Pro last year after seeing ur comparison between JX N JXPro. And enjoyed it v much! Later on the KMax. Still i traded both for the XPro. The reason being the calibration to zero (especially the JXPro); the cleaning (KMax just has too many grooves n I can’t take out the outer burr as easily, n no access the cylindrical body to clean) Since my palate is not as discerning, the calibration, ease of cleaning n also ease to hold the grinder while grinding are also big considerations. Not to mention XPro is much cheaper. So for me, with the XPro, I have fount THE ONE! 🎉🎉
Thank you for the review. I got the xpro yesterday. I have used the C2 Slim for over a year. Definitely a good upgrade for anyone considering. Still yet to dial it in. I thought 2.2 was a coarse setting but you claim 2.5 is super fine. So maybe i need to try going coarser. I really enjoyed your review..ticked every box for me
2.2 is not corse. its medium-corse. coffeechronicler didnt had 0 calibration so 2.5 is actualy 1.2, atleast this is what I get from his responses. I also have a C2, but X-PRO better and also you can push it, without stalling. just some advices: for 4:6 method usualy from 2.0 to 2.2. for hoffman probably 1.5. I didnt do hoffman yet on X PRO, but on C2 it was like 3-4 clicks finer then 4:6
Great comparison Asser, thanks for posting! The pourover test inspired me to get a trio of 1-cup V60 drippers and Gabi Master B diffusion screens (unfortunately the Hario Drip Assist doesn't fit the 1-cup V60, which I prefer over the 2-cup one). Can you recommend a recipe for the 1-cup V60 + GMB that brews a decent cup and excels at consistency?
good job. I was surprised that X PRO is on par with ZP6 at particle distribution. also I noticed that X PRO brings out a lot of acidity, but a trick for V60 that works for me since i use 4:6 method is to do a smaller bloom(or 1 poor) and so you get clarity and sweetness. kinda impressed for 150$. also compared to my TIMEMORE C2 is so so easy to grind. I usualy go around 2.0.5 or 2.1.5, what settings did you use, just of curiosity, I know that we dont have same cofee, water, tehnique.
Hi Bogdan, yes I also like to tweak each grinder in the right direction. This is something a comparison like this doesn't take into account. I used 2.5 on X-Pro, also quite fine, and dialed in with the other grinders to produce the same level of fines via sifting. For reference, the espresso setting is around minus 3.1 on my unit.
@@coffeechronicler hmm. are you sure we are talking about X PRO? because maybe I didnt get the espresso setting with minus 3.1. Didnt you make 0, when burrs stop moving? and 2.5 on X-PRO is kinda coarse. 2.5 should be french press teritory, A medium-corse grind should be around 2.1-2.2, described by their chart and also by Ply from roguewavecoffee who had it for a long time, maybe you know him from wbc. so kinda confused or maybe I didnt understand. anyway like I sayd, you go by taste for dialing in. but i guess maybe your mistaken, and you went for 1.5 since you said you grinded for aeropress. ok, so now i understand, if your espresso -3,1, and 0.5 is for espresso, your burs rubb at -3,6-2.5=1.1-1.2. so yeah I guess its really fine. it was easyer to just do adjust to 0 when burs rub, since it takes 10 seconds:)
@@bogdandobrita3441 I'm getting good results on my orea 2.0.7 . Due to the faster draw down timing. Previously when I didn't disassemble my grinder I had to grind way finer about 1.2.8 to get the same results. Now it's following the recommended 1zpresso range
@@bogdandobrita3441 i think you made a mistake here. my calculation is: he has espresso at -0.3.1 (better think of it as -1.3.1) and filter at +0.2.5 so 0.5.1 steps between filter and espresso (0.5.9 = 59 steps; 1.0.0 = 60 steps, so from -1.3.1 to 0.0.0 its +0.2.9 = 29 steps). Lets look at compareable Zero Point of 0.0.0, then Espresso is at 0.5.0 (as you said). From 0.5.0 we can go 0.5.1 steps upwards (as shown above) which brings us to 1.4.1 for his filter coffee which is very fine for filter (0.1.9 below reference chart), but more reasonable than 1.1 which would be way too fine. So if anyone reads this, the grind setting for filter coffee in the video for X-Pro is 1.4.1
@@OliccinoThank you for that. I’ve been doing 1-cup V60 @ 2.0.0 (have not experimented much yet - I just got the grinder). Tomorrow morning I think I’m going to try setting 1.4 for autodrip (BUNN Velocity Brew - it brews half a pot in 2 min, so a fairly fine setting should work well). For reference, I’ve been getting pretty good results out of the BUNN by using setting 3.1 on my Ode Gen 1…however, I don’t think I’ve gone fine enough yet on the Ode to reach the point of astringency. I think there’s still some more to go.
As a happy Q2 user I have been very interested in the zp6 as a dedicated grinder for French press . My main goal is to clean up my French press a bit. I did try the filter /French press method as you mentioned in your other video but I'm not a big fan of this method. Do you think the zp6 would be worth upgrading to from the Q2 for the French pressor are the gains too minimal? By the way I love your channel, I've been enjoying your content more than the big H mans.
I am still using and enjoying my K -series 1Zpresso grinder for pour over coffee. I wanted to ask would a flat burr grinder (like the gen 2 fellow ode) give me even a better tasting grind or would it be a downgrade in taste.
Interesting, how would you rate the filter coffee of the X-pro against the stock Wilfa Uniform (or perhaps it's more relevant to compare with the conical Svart?)
Yes please I have one follow up question! With your grind time comparison, the ZP6 took the longest at 39 seconds. You mentioned the K-max was harder to grind, and the X-pro may have been easier but the handle was shorter so they seemed similar. The you never compared the ZP6. We’re you insinuating the ZP6 was the easiest to grind due to it’s longer grind time??
@@coffeechronicler Okay amazing! Thank you for the insight. Gonna grab one of the two for my wife for Christmas 🎄🎄 Thank you for the awesome video! Merry Christmas to you!
I purchased the 1zpresso Jx for pourovers after reading your articles and watching your videos. So I just want to say thank you for your reviews and detailed explanations. I am planning to upgrade my grinder now. How do you think the ZP6 compares to the Jx and even the C40? I want to get the C40, but if the ZP6 is better, I think it would be a better buy. If I really want to experience the pinnacle of pourover coffee, should I just save to buy a d64 and upgrade to ssp burrs? haha
Excellent review! Just got an X-pro this week, and it indeed produces very bright flavors in the cup. Coming from an Encore, I had to do repeated brews with X-pro just to make sure the acidity was not due to under-extraction
@@DebashishDas9 1.4 (100 clicks out from full fine) worked great for my BUNN autodrip this morning. I believe there is even room to go finer. There were no negative tastes at all.
Hi. Great review. I mostly drink pour over coffee but have recently received an aeropress as a gift. The Zp6 sounds amazing. Do you think it would do a decent job with the aeropress as well, and if so, what dial setting would you try for that?
I understand this is not a recent video, but do you have any explanation why the K Max is around double the price of something like the X-pro or X-Max? Is it because of the apparent versatility, or is there some production related reason? Is it just the bigger burrs?
I've had the JX for a while and it's been great, but how much better are these newer models? The X Pro is probably the equivalent to the JX from a price perspective, so am I missing something with the JX (primarily for pour over)?
These three grinders can be extracted slightly higher than Jx without running into astringency. But unless you try them side by side, you might not feel like missing out.
I am brewing a honey processed Ethiopian, very light roast from Sey coffee. I have it set to a 5 on the zp6 and still get quite a bit of stalling. I'm using 16 grams of coffee, cafec medium filters. 16 to 1 ratio. trying not to aggressively pour or agitate too much. Still the stalling slightly and slight bitterness. Is this normal for this kind of coffee or could the zp6 have poor allignment? I have seen some grinding light coffees on RUclips on a ridiculous 3.2 setting on the zp6 and still saying the cups are quite clean. So I am a bit confused 😕
Ethiopians are often tricky with brew times. Especially if they are not washed. I wonder if you're using size 01 filter in and size 02 dripper? That can also cause stalling. Don't think it's a problem with the grinder, but feel free to send pics of the grinds at asser@coffeechronicler.com or DM on IG. Then I'll see if I can diagnose it.
Thanks Asser. I'll get some photos over to you. The cafec T 90 medium dark roast filters (2 to 4 cup) are stalling more than the Hario 02 filters, the ones made in Japan. I've taken the zp6 grinder to 5.3 to prevent stalling. I am not creating a divot in the bed for the bloom and i am not swirling. Just spoon excavation some to release gases. Still not a great cup, perhaps a bit weak but cleaner. I have cafec Arabica filters to try also. I'll email you more details. Thank you.
I live in the US and brew primarily pour over. I’m seeing the ZP6 Special cost about $200 and the X Pro cost about $150. Would you say the price difference is worth the difference in flavor for pour over? Or is the difference not so remarkable to be worth the $50 difference? Thank you for your excellent videos!
Thanks for the great and detailed review. What grind settings did you use on X-pro for pour over? I’ve found good results around 1.0-1.1 range (which is waaay finer than 1zpresso recommends)
I used 2.5, also quite fine, and dialed in with the other grinders to produce the same level of fines via sifting. For reference, the espresso setting is around minus 3.1 on my grinder
1.0? that like super/super fine. for example the guy from Alternative Brewing used espresso setting at 0.4.2. but if you are getting good results, thats usualy aeropress range. probably using hoffman tehnique?
@@bogdandobrita3441 just to make sure we’re talking on the same page I mean I’m at about 8clicks past the first full revolution (between the numbers 0-1). Yes I’m on Hoffman 1 cup recipe and the coffee is amazing!
@@JeremyJanzen yeah, I understood the setting. James grind a little bit finer, but 1.0 is like espresso range, probably presurised, but still. well, if it works for you then its ok. do you have 0 where burrs dont move anymore?
Thank you for the reviews, very nice video. I've got a question. I just ordered K-Max based on your recommendations, but I was also thinking about Comandante C40 Mk4, since in my country they are the same price. I am just starting with making coffee and I will definitely start with Aeropress and pour-over, I will try espresso later on. Do you think I did the right choice?
@@coffeechronicler In terms of grind results for espresso, do you think the old JE-Plus is still the highest quality grinder among all 1zpresso products?
Great comparison / review. I have the K plus and have been happy with it, although doesn't get much use with my big grinders, it definitely is a great value. Glad to know the ZP6 doesn't seem like it's that dramatically better for pour over. Have you tried the Kingrinders, apparently they were an offshoot of 1zPresso, the K4 I believe they say has the same burrs as the JX-Pro, and K5 and K6 has the 1zPresso K-Series burrs but they're priced lower, I'm thinking the results or features/ ease of use is likely not as good, there's gotta be a trade-off somewhere. I wonder if the burrs are stabilized as well as the in the 1zPresso grinders (just looked up a video and it looks fairly similar internally from my memory).
Ah found Lance's hand grinder roundup and he compared the K plus with K6 and the Kplus was actually a bit better for some reason. Also the handle pops off on the K6 which would be annoying, I had a hand grinder where that happened. The K plus handle stays on nicely.
Hi all! I am interested in a coffee grinder for Turkish coffee. Unfortunately, I can't find the JX Pro in Canada right now. Can you recommend the X-Pro version for it? I'm interested in your thoughts. Thanks in advance.
Great review as always! Would also like know your thoughts on the Kingrinder lineup. I am torn between Kingrinder K6 and 1zpresso Xpro. They have same price range, at 180$, here in the Philippines. Looking for a hand grinder that can do both filter and espresso.
Thanks! I don't have much experience with Kingrinder, but in general they seem a bit like lower quality compared to 1z. I would only go for it if it's substantially cheaper.
@coffeechronicler I’m not new to coffee (I’ve been drinking coffee regularly for 20 years), however, after years of using a mediocre grinder (Mr. Coffee burr grinder that sells for $40 at Walmart), I recently bought a Fellow Ode Gen 1 on sale for $159. I really like it. But after doing a lot of research, I find myself getting interested in hand grinders, both for travel purposes as well as just comparison and playing around with pour-overs at home. How would you compare the 1Zpresso ZP6 Special and its conical burrs, which many rank very highly - possibly even in the top 3 for pour-over/drip, with the Fellow Ode with the “1.1 burrs” such as what I have?
If you're on the avantgarde of pour over and brew ultra light roasts with specially treated water, I think it's worth considering. But if you're less geeky, then I don't think you'll notice any difference. Maybe you'll like it less as ZP6 is not great for medium roasts.
@@coffeechronicler Thanks for your reply. I do drink light-roasted coffees, but I’m far from an expert at discerning the flavors! My favorite coffees have had citrus notes - orange and lime, followed by a caramelly aftertaste. I ended up ordering an X-Pro because my wife has a Mokapot. Currently she uses canned, pre-ground Bustelo from the grocery store. But I want to play around with some light roasts through the Mokapot and see if she likes them. The Ode Gen 1 may, or may not be able to grind fine enough for Mokapot. So, I’m sure the X-Pro will be able to do Mokapot, as well as espresso. We don’t currently make espresso, but I may get into it at some point. The X-Pro will also be good for traveling. And it will be fun to compare flavors between the X-Pro and the Ode.
all these new models make me feel like I have made a wrong choice with buying k-max hahah. Buying zp6 for filter coffee and q2 heptagonal for travel would be muuuuuch better. But actually kmax is still pretty good. I think 1zpresso has to find a way to solve this kind of psychological little problems :) Comandante has solved that with not doing anything for years hahah
Yeah, it's the paradox of choice. I also love restaurants with simple menus. But for the greater good of grinder innovation, they have probably made the right decision.
Not a wrong choice mate… Kmax can produce more sweetness than zp6. So really depend on what type of bean for different grinder. For example, I like to use Kmax for natural process beans (fruity). Zp6 or x pro for wash beans to get more flower taste.
@@ianwang2002525 I know, but I can't change the feeling :) I know that sometimes "clarity" is not something to look for. If my coffee beans are not of premium quality OR washed processed OR not roasted perfectly, I find that grinders that produce more round/sweet cups would be more enjoyable. My experience with ssp burrs and cmd c40 taught me that. Wouldn't it be really cool if 1zpresso just sold the burrs inside the zp6 in a way that can also fit k-max?
Hey Asser! Would you mind checking that your zp6 is calibrated to burr lock at 0 and see where the sound of burr rub completely disappears? I think I may have a bad unit, as you say in your video that the burrs rub up to 5 clicks, and I'm rubbing up to 12 unfortunately. Would really appreciate it. Thanks a ton!!
My true zero (handle not able to spin freely is around -0.5) and I have some burr rub still at +0.5. I wouldn't worry about this. The numbers are arbitrary, and it's normal to have some burr rub before the burrs lock.
@@coffeechronicler Thanks a ton for the response! It's a relief to know burr rub is at 10 for you, since a difference of 2 is way better than a difference of 7! I've also always wondered, doesn't burr rub/burr lock damage the burrs?
@@coffeechronicler I have one more question :) What about K-Max/Q2/C40 which have not same, but very similar burr geometry, how would Wilfa Uniform perform against those? Maybe later I will upgrade Uniform with some SSP burrs, but I know from your video, that there is problem with power of motor and changing grind settings during grinding.
I actually did just order the JX-Pro and am kind of annoyed at myself really that I didn't do enough research to find out that they'd just come out with the X-Pro... but since I don't even have an espresso machine yet, just an aeropress my main concern was just being able to get a great cup of coffee and be able to future proof for when I do throw down for an espresso maker. Maybe once I do, I'll decide to get a flat burr grinder or upgrade to whatever is clearly better than the JX-Pro in the hand grinder world.
Hello, I loved the channel, you do very good reviews. I have a question, I have the Hario Slim Mini grinder and I would like to upgrade my grinder, I was thinking of buying the Timemore C3, but I have seen the reviews on the channel and I don't know if it is better to change to the Jx (for €30 more than the Q2 It seems like a better option), because although it is twice the price of the C3, it seems that I will be able to get more out of it in the long run. I started learning to make espresso very recently, which is why I want to upgrade my grinder, but I continue to use other methods since it is more comfortable for daily use. I usually brew coffee for 1-2 persons on a French press, moka or espresso machine. What would you recommend me?
I think the new Q2 Heptagonal is phenomenal value. Jx is also a solid allrounder. I'd go for one of those. Q2 if you're into light roasts and clarity, and Jx if you want ease of use, speed and more into medium roasts.
The ZP6 burr is not the same as JS. 1) the feed angle is different, 2) the 6 point corners are sharp on ZP6 and square on JS. 3) the other half of the burr set has different geometry.
Have you had pour-over from coffee ground by a Ditting 804? How would the ZP6 compare in clarity? I have an 804 with Sweet burrs, but looking for a clarity option. I might get the machined 804 burrs, but if a ZP6 was the same, I would rather get one - cheaper and would give me a 2nd grinder to use anytime without switching out burrs, but if the 804 would clearly be more clarity, I would rather go that route.
Hello! Nice video. Thank you. Where do you buy the ZP6? I haven’t found a store who sell them here in Sweden. Or have you bought directly from their own website?
thanks for the review Asser! could you give a rough guide for pourover grind settings as well as aeropress on the k-max? Also, do you plan to cover the new timemore b75 in the near future? thanks
Another great video, thank you! Would the review of these grinders for drip method translates to aeropress? I bought the K-Max and now wondering if the ZP6 would have been better as clarity matters a lot to me.
I think it depends more on the bean type, roast degree and extraction yield you're going for. If you're mostly doing Aeropress and not ultra-light roasts, you'll probably be quite fine with K-Max.
@@coffeechronicler I have been getting good results with medium and light roasts with various single origin beans but we are always looking for that slight improvement 🌝 Thank you again for the amazing content and help!
if i am using a drip coffee maker (oxo 8 cup) is the ZPSpecial best for that? i brewed a couple cups on 4.5 setting and the coffee was very strong. the grinds appeared very small shoupd i go bigger or perhaps this is the wrong grinder for a drip coffee maker?
I would mainly use it for light roasts. But can't see any reason why it shouldn't work for drip coffee makers if you have the right type of bean. Just try to go a bit coarser until you get the right balance.
Thanks for this. I have a DF64 with the SSP Espresso HU burrs and was hoping the ZP6 would’ve been a dedicated filter grinder but I might be chasing after an Ode with SSP MP burrs instead.
I know it is, but if the ZP6 burrs aren’t perfectly “unimodal flat-like” then I’m not sure if I’ll have much benefit next to my HU burrs. the geometry does provide an improvement for brewed coffee vs the Italmills, but definitely not as consistent as the MP burrs. I secretly was hoping the ZP6 would’ve been closer to the MP profile but I guess not
@@julianpark93 Ah, yeah. From my experience, only the SSP MP's (and brew burrs) have that bright "window" like clarity. ZP6 has something great going on, but not quite the same.
I need a recommendation, i'm on a tight budget and i want to make the best milk drinks i can and i was thinking to either buy the Wacaco Picopresso and have my coffee shop grind the coffee for me or buy the cafflano kompresso and pair it with the chestnut c2 so i can grind at home. Is the difference between the 2 brewers massive, will i be able to taste it in a milk drink? What do u think? Are there any other brewer i should take into consideration?
If you buy a grinder, then avoid the C2, since it's not suitable for espresso. C3 would work, though. Kompresso/Picopresso will probably taste pretty similar in milk drinks.
HI Asser, are you planning on testing and reviewing the Fellow Ode Generation 2 grinder? It appears to be a significant upgrade from the original version.
@@coffeechronicler thanks for the informative video as always, I am wondering if you are planning to make a comparison between Lagom P64, or Fellow Ode with 64mm SSP MP vs Orphan Espresso Apex, I am very curious to hear your thoughts between Ghost Burr vs SSP MP
Great video, thanks. Any idea if the octagonal burr from the small one would fit in a Timemore Nano? I trust your evaluation on the flavor but the Timemore Nano is just such a good design for a travel grinder.
Thanks for the kind words! I don't have a Nano. But don't think any of these burrs will be able to fit. Maybe some of Timemore's new burrs are compatible.
A difference, yes, but not a major one. If you have one of the top-hand grinders, the next logical step would be flat burrs. However, ZP6 will have a nicer UX.
I want to buy X-pro for pour over but afraid from the point that X-pro tends to show more acidity . Does this mean that the sweetness in the pour over coffee is low ? Can I adjust that by grinding finer ?
@coffeechronicler thank you for the great content (wife cant stand you anymore because you're always playing on tv). I have a jmax, was thinking zp6 or xpro (cost decision as well vs k ultra). In mauritius we get mainly medium and light medium. Would zp6 handle those well or better go xpro? Or is there a big jump from jmax for pour over
If you would be cupping, what grind settings will you be using for the zp6, kmax and c40? This method might produce less bias and less variations when comparing it to pourovers :)
Thank for an another great video Asser! One small request, if you do a blind test, try to proceed it in a single shot just to be at open as possible. There were a couple of cuts when you removed the rotation plate and when you changed the camera to an overhead one. I trust you, but if you attempt to do a blind test, maybe consider all in one shot. Fast-forwarding is great indeed for some moments
Thanks, Michael, I get your point. Being a non-native speaker, I usually have to cut out some odd words and mistakes here and there, but I'll see if I can do it in one take next time.
I saw Kyle's reviews and he said x pro is very closely to the commandant c40. Do you compared with them? Actually I'm finding a budget grinder which can give me bright flavor and clarity taste.
I have the K-max and especially for some coffees there is a lot of coffee clinging to the sides of the jar and the bottom of the burrs (burrs exit) - almost a table spoon worth of coffee. But this is mostly fines, so maybe its a good thing. My question is, do you experience the same thing and does this mean that my grinder produces too many fines or is it more a property of some beans? For some beans this isn’t a problem and for others (especially ethiopians or darker roasts) a lot of coffee is wasted because I dont use the clinging coffee (and when I do I regret it)
I use a little RDT spray on all beans to prevent this. But you're right, fines and excessive static is especially common with Ethiopians and darker roasts.
@@coffeechronicler okay cool! But after this video I want the ode gen 2 with ssp, so maybe ill try and sell of my K-max :) dont quite understand why this new version with ssp burrs arent more hyped, sounds like its the perfect pour over grinder
@@nikolajhansen15 it isnt hyped bcause ode gen 2 with ssp burs cost is like 450, in Europe probably 500 euros. for that money I can buy q2 for travel, ZP6 for filter, and J max for espresso. and also electric grinders will be more maintenance prone, will need more alignament and etc. so yeah, thats why:) on top of that, I bet that for a normal person it will be harder to see the differences between zp6 and ssp, coffeechronicler is q grader, afterall.
@@bogdandobrita3441 yea but if you want flat ssp burrs then I dont see a better alternative. Im not that interested in having many grinders, im interested in getting the most out of my beans
Which flat burr grinder would be the best upgrade for a pour over home brewer that is used to the Comandante? I want to improve my experience in terms of complexity and aftertaste. Thank you in advance for your recommendations!
If there is no limit for budget, I would go for either Option-O Lagom P64 with SSP Unimodal Brew burr or Weber EG-1 with Ultra low fine burr. The burrs that produce the least amount fines are the best for filter coffee especially if you prefer the most complexity in your cup.
Does anyone have zp6 special they are willing to part with. I can’t find one anywhere. Even though it says it’s new product on the website but apparently they don’t make it anymore.
new subscriber here..is amazing how manual grinders have come so far over the past 5 or so yrs....i am using an 9 yr old breville smart grinder that is on the fritz so i'm thinking of going this route...i mostly do french press..also have an aeropress that i have yet to try. what would you suggest please for a great value/bang for buck? i was looking at the k ultra (as i might also explore a manual expresso maker if i can find a nice one). continued success with your very informative website and this youtube channel.
Thanks for the kind words! If you're also planning to brew espresso, I'd go for the K-Max. Don't see any good reason to pay more for the Ultra version, when the K-Max is ticking all boxes.
@@coffeechronicler upon reading your review I decided just to stick with a more affordable JX as I won't experiment with expresso....will just stick with french press, aeropress and my newly ordered Hario pour over starter's kit...thanks again👍
I have the K-Plus for espresso. I hold the base stationary on a wood cutting board with one hand and grind with the other. I tried air grinding once and it caused a 5-second drop in my shot time. So right or wrong, I’m sticking with holding it stationary. Try it and see if the same happens to you.
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great video although I recommend not promouncing K Max like Chemex, as that got me a litte bit confused
Asking subscribers questions in advance and then already responding to them in the video is brilliant. I highly recommend to subscribe and take advantage of this unique offer!!! Thx chronicler for the answer!
Hello Asser! Not sure if you remember me from your earlier 1Zpresso videos. I'm the one who has been trying to push the JS and the Zp6 a lot even back then. I'm the one who actually sent a Zp6 to mr Lance Hedrick in the hopes that he could get enough attention for 1Zpresso to re-release it.
I'm glad you finally got your hands on a JS/Zp6 variant. While I am ecstatic that the International market will finally have access to this burr set, its specific implementation isn't as good as I was hoping for. First and foremost, as you said, it is just a K Pro with the 'unimodal brew' burr set slapped on. If they were going to do that, I wish they just slapped it on the K Plus body for the magnetic grounds cup. Furthermore they did away with the special triple bearing outer burr carrier/cage that was present in the original Zp6. Finally the prices from the official Taiwan 1Zpresso store on Shopee TW has it for cheaper than for international market. While not as value-for-money as I was hoping it to be, I am so glad that many people are going to have access to an objectively better performing hand-grinder than the Comandante C40 for less money. I hope they also release the KS variant for an even greater value-for-money option or for lower budget customers.
Still even with my testing back in 2020 with the JS and Zp6, these are more even grinding than the C40 but it is marginal. Perhaps noticeable to the very discerning palate or in a side-by-side but both are performing so closely that a few adjustments in brew recipe would be able to even out the brews. For me the value is more of that it is more affordable than the C40 (which I believe is overpriced) and I do not approve of the way the Comandante business is being run from their product development/consumer feedback to their aggressive litigation.
Rant aside and with regards to your video and testing, I'm glad differences are still obvious even with the great equalizer known as the drip-assist aka minimized agitation. I do believe the differences will be noticeably greater between the 1Zpresso grinders especially when it comes to pushing extraction, higher agitation, and even higher grade or more complex coffees. I do believe the other 1Zpresso grinders are good performers but I know that the reason why the Zp6 and JS was not successful in Taiwan was because their preferred roast, cup, and recipe profile were for lower extractions where this brew burr can come off as thin, one note, and flat. Coincidentally this is where in my opinion the K Plus shines. I'm personally not a fan of the K Plus cup profile where I'd prefer the C40 over that but again I hope that since the Zp6 is now available internationally, people will shift away and will force Comandante to actually innovate instead of filing lawsuits over frivolous things.
Also my experience with dialing in the Zp6 vs C40, at identical grind settings compared via Gagne particle app/Kruve Sifting, the Zp6 will drawdown faster and be weaker. Grinding finer and at matching total brew times, the Zp6 still has slightly less body and flavors have less intensity but the brew is definitely cleaner. Finally the sweet spot for the Zp6 for me was grinding even finer where the drawdown is longer than the C40 where intensity is now the same as the C40 but with greater mid-palate sweetness, less end-extract notes, higher clarity, and more rounded acidity. Again when both are at their sweet spots, this is a small difference that could go either way in terms of preference of the drinker but more importantly we now have an objectively equal if not better option so we need not buy a C40.
Hi Marc, thanks for the thoughtful comment. Yes, I do remember our conversation from a long time ago! It's great to see this grinder finally being re-released and living up to much of the hype. For the money, it's good value, but it could probably be an even better deal if it came in the Ks-model. Let's hope they consider that! I'm curious if you have tried the K-Max? Feel free, to send a message on IG, I think we are already connected over there.
Very thorough and great video Asser! I really appreciate you taking the time to show a true blind test, it gives me more confidence in your opinion on these grinders.
I also appreciate your comment on these grinders vs flat burrs. Even though they are very different, I've always been curious how they stack up in terms of pour over specifically as the conversation around flat burrs is usually focused on espresso.
I haven't blind tested them side by side, but I think zp6 is really similar with the sspls on df64 in terms of filter, probably because of alignment. Both super forgiving and tastes great. Thanks for the great review! I was wondering how would zp6 do compared with kmax and q2. Nice to see it beat them both even though marginally, when they're arguably the best handgrinder burrs right now. I think low torque makes grinding with zp6 quite enjoyable.
Am definitely jealous of the adjustment of the X pro. I recently got a kmax, and I can't for the life of me get the zero point back to zero
I think it's like cars or electronics - when you're shopping for one, you look at them all and really study what you want BUT when you buy it, you need to stop looking and bascially ignore the market for a while so you don't get "newest launch" envy haha! Because your purchase is still worth just enjoying for what it is. Grinders must be the same.
I've been using a K-Ultra for almost a week now for V60 pourover and French Press. When I eventually get an Espresso machine, it'll be put to use there too! 1ZPresso also said on their socials that the burr set is slightly different than the K-Plus and K-Max.
I haven't seen any official communication that it should be a different burr set. But the pictures seem to indicate some tiny differences.
I liked this review. It was to the point, without faffing around. Subscribed.
Your past reviews influenced my purchase of a JX, and I regret nothing. It's a huge step up from the Hario Skerton I'd used for years, in grind consistency, comfort and speed. Perhaps in the future, I'll consider the ZP6 for pourover only duty, should I get a manual lever espresso machine.
I still think the 1Zpresso lineup is needlessly complex. I'd personally reduce it to 5 models, a compact all-around grinder (Q2), an entry all-around grinder with 30 g capacity (JX), and then 3 top-tier models with the same body for all-around (K-Max), espresso (J-Max), and pour-over (ZP6, but why not use the 'Max' body and call it the Z-Max?). The X Pro doesn't make much sense to me, as I have small hands and JX ergonomics are no problem.
If you have any questions, please feel free to leave them here, and I'll try my best!
Hi Asser 👋
1 . How the flavour cup profile compare between these two bringers ZP6 (special) vs JX-PRO ?
2 . Is ZP6 (special) better that JX-PRO or vice versa ?
hey man, thank you for doing this video. I thoroughly enjoyed this video, especially the blind tasting test. I was very intrigued. Thank you so much.
THIS is the answer that I've been looking for! I've always thought high clarity conical hand grinders can go up against high quality burrs like SSP or sweet lab. Thought I could save a few bucks but I think I would rather save a bit more and get a flat burr grinder.
I second this - bought the K-max and I just think the amount of fines it produces is too high and the extra bucks that a grinder with ssp burrs costs will probably be worth it in the long run. Then its time to worry about the water, which is a much more annoying problem 🥴
I sold My ode with SSP Brew burrs because it produced way more fines than My zp6.
@@Julumon. I’m actually considering buying the zp6 special instead of the ode v2. How would you compare the zp6 to the ode in terms of the final cup?
@@nikolajhansen15 kinda late. Ode 2 is on par with k ultra or any heptagonal mostly. That means that zp6 is better. If you swapped for ssp mp though, that would be better instead
Hello Asser, any thoughts on what kind of differences I can expect in flavor between the ZP6 and the Fellow Ode Gen 2 (with Gen 2 Burrs)? Does the ZP6 do well with French Press also? And if I'm just going to use the grinder when traveling (Since I have the Ode Gen2 w/ G2 Burrs), should I spend for the ZP6 or just stick with a Q2? My main focus will be brewing with a Hario V60 using the Tetsu 4:6 method, as I have yet to master a 3 pour method :/
Thanks for the great videos! We very much appreciate the depth of content and your production quality!
It's unfortunate that 1zpresso sells so few models in Europe at the moment, but I was able to get K-Max and it seem I can finally brew finer grind pour over without noticeable bitter notes in it. I really like it.
Hi!
Thank you for the review done so straight forwardly! I have tried the JX Pro last year after seeing ur comparison between JX N JXPro. And enjoyed it v much!
Later on the KMax. Still i traded both for the XPro.
The reason being the calibration to zero (especially the JXPro);
the cleaning (KMax just has too many grooves n I can’t take out the outer burr as easily, n no access the cylindrical body to clean)
Since my palate is not as discerning, the calibration, ease of cleaning n also ease to hold the grinder while grinding are also big considerations. Not to mention XPro is much cheaper.
So for me, with the XPro, I have fount THE ONE! 🎉🎉
Thank you for the review. I got the xpro yesterday. I have used the C2 Slim for over a year. Definitely a good upgrade for anyone considering. Still yet to dial it in. I thought 2.2 was a coarse setting but you claim 2.5 is super fine. So maybe i need to try going coarser. I really enjoyed your review..ticked every box for me
We might not have the same calibration. In your case, I'd focus more on the brew time and finished result to troubleshoot the right grind setting.
2.2 is not corse. its medium-corse. coffeechronicler didnt had 0 calibration so 2.5 is actualy 1.2, atleast this is what I get from his responses. I also have a C2, but X-PRO better and also you can push it, without stalling. just some advices: for 4:6 method usualy from 2.0 to 2.2. for hoffman probably 1.5. I didnt do hoffman yet on X PRO, but on C2 it was like 3-4 clicks finer then 4:6
@Bogdan Dobrita thankyou for your response. I will give it a shot over the next few days
Great comparison Asser, thanks for posting! The pourover test inspired me to get a trio of 1-cup V60 drippers and Gabi Master B diffusion screens (unfortunately the Hario Drip Assist doesn't fit the 1-cup V60, which I prefer over the 2-cup one). Can you recommend a recipe for the 1-cup V60 + GMB that brews a decent cup and excels at consistency?
good job. I was surprised that X PRO is on par with ZP6 at particle distribution. also I noticed that X PRO brings out a lot of acidity, but a trick for V60 that works for me since i use 4:6 method is to do a smaller bloom(or 1 poor) and so you get clarity and sweetness. kinda impressed for 150$. also compared to my TIMEMORE C2 is so so easy to grind. I usualy go around 2.0.5 or 2.1.5, what settings did you use, just of curiosity, I know that we dont have same cofee, water, tehnique.
Hi Bogdan, yes I also like to tweak each grinder in the right direction. This is something a comparison like this doesn't take into account. I used 2.5 on X-Pro, also quite fine, and dialed in with the other grinders to produce the same level of fines via sifting. For reference, the espresso setting is around minus 3.1 on my unit.
@@coffeechronicler hmm. are you sure we are talking about X PRO? because maybe I didnt get the espresso setting with minus 3.1. Didnt you make 0, when burrs stop moving? and 2.5 on X-PRO is kinda coarse. 2.5 should be french press teritory, A medium-corse grind should be around 2.1-2.2, described by their chart and also by Ply from roguewavecoffee who had it for a long time, maybe you know him from wbc. so kinda confused or maybe I didnt understand. anyway like I sayd, you go by taste for dialing in. but i guess maybe your mistaken, and you went for 1.5 since you said you grinded for aeropress. ok, so now i understand, if your espresso -3,1, and 0.5 is for espresso, your burs rubb at -3,6-2.5=1.1-1.2. so yeah I guess its really fine. it was easyer to just do adjust to 0 when burs rub, since it takes 10 seconds:)
@@bogdandobrita3441 I'm getting good results on my orea 2.0.7 . Due to the faster draw down timing. Previously when I didn't disassemble my grinder I had to grind way finer about 1.2.8 to get the same results. Now it's following the recommended 1zpresso range
@@bogdandobrita3441 i think you made a mistake here. my calculation is: he has espresso at -0.3.1 (better think of it as -1.3.1) and filter at +0.2.5 so 0.5.1 steps between filter and espresso (0.5.9 = 59 steps; 1.0.0 = 60 steps, so from -1.3.1 to 0.0.0 its +0.2.9 = 29 steps). Lets look at compareable Zero Point of 0.0.0, then Espresso is at 0.5.0 (as you said). From 0.5.0 we can go 0.5.1 steps upwards (as shown above) which brings us to 1.4.1 for his filter coffee which is very fine for filter (0.1.9 below reference chart), but more reasonable than 1.1 which would be way too fine.
So if anyone reads this, the grind setting for filter coffee in the video for X-Pro is 1.4.1
@@OliccinoThank you for that.
I’ve been doing 1-cup V60 @ 2.0.0 (have not experimented much yet - I just got the grinder).
Tomorrow morning I think I’m going to try setting 1.4 for autodrip (BUNN Velocity Brew - it brews half a pot in 2 min, so a fairly fine setting should work well).
For reference, I’ve been getting pretty good results out of the BUNN by using setting 3.1 on my Ode Gen 1…however, I don’t think I’ve gone fine enough yet on the Ode to reach the point of astringency. I think there’s still some more to go.
Thank you for these videos, you're invaluable to the Coffee community!
Do you have any recommendations for Clever/Hario Switch with the ZP6?
Just noticed that you have a RUclips channel, been a long time fan of your written review, bought a few coffee gears based on your reviews too.
As a happy Q2 user I have been very interested in the zp6 as a dedicated grinder for French press . My main goal is to clean up my French press a bit. I did try the filter /French press method as you mentioned in your other video but I'm not a big fan of this method. Do you think the zp6 would be worth upgrading to from the Q2 for the French pressor are the gains too minimal? By the way I love your channel, I've been enjoying your content more than the big H mans.
How about those compared with the Eureka Filtro? What is your opinion?
I am still using and enjoying my K -series 1Zpresso grinder for pour over coffee. I wanted to ask would a flat burr grinder (like the gen 2 fellow ode) give me even a better tasting grind or would it be a downgrade in taste.
You would need ssp multipurpose on the fellow for it to be better. Otherwise no
Interesting, how would you rate the filter coffee of the X-pro against the stock Wilfa Uniform (or perhaps it's more relevant to compare with the conical Svart?)
Yes please I have one follow up question! With your grind time comparison, the ZP6 took the longest at 39 seconds. You mentioned the K-max was harder to grind, and the X-pro may have been easier but the handle was shorter so they seemed similar. The you never compared the ZP6. We’re you insinuating the ZP6 was the easiest to grind due to it’s longer grind time??
Yes, ZP6 requires less force, trade-off is being slower
@@coffeechronicler Okay amazing! Thank you for the insight. Gonna grab one of the two for my wife for Christmas 🎄🎄
Thank you for the awesome video! Merry Christmas to you!
I purchased the 1zpresso Jx for pourovers after reading your articles and watching your videos. So I just want to say thank you for your reviews and detailed explanations.
I am planning to upgrade my grinder now. How do you think the ZP6 compares to the Jx and even the C40? I want to get the C40, but if the ZP6 is better, I think it would be a better buy. If I really want to experience the pinnacle of pourover coffee, should I just save to buy a d64 and upgrade to ssp burrs? haha
ZP6 will taste cleaner than all of them. C40 is probably more in the same league similar to X-Pro and K-Max.
Thanks a lot!
Excellent review! Just got an X-pro this week, and it indeed produces very bright flavors in the cup. Coming from an Encore, I had to do repeated brews with X-pro just to make sure the acidity was not due to under-extraction
Is it normal to have the acidity increase when the espresso cools down? What grind setting were you using?
@@falkenvir I have only brewed filter coffee. Tried multiple settings between 1.5.0 & 2.5.0
@@DebashishDas9What brew method?
@@johnmpifer Pour over with Abaca white filters
@@DebashishDas9 1.4 (100 clicks out from full fine) worked great for my BUNN autodrip this morning.
I believe there is even room to go finer.
There were no negative tastes at all.
Hi. Great review. I mostly drink pour over coffee but have recently received an aeropress as a gift. The Zp6 sounds amazing. Do you think it would do a decent job with the aeropress as well, and if so, what dial setting would you try for that?
Did you end up getting the zp6 and using it for your Aeropress? What setting do you use
@akathefury I did get it, and I grind my coffee fairly fine using a setting of 2. I'm very happy with it.
I understand this is not a recent video, but do you have any explanation why the K Max is around double the price of something like the X-pro or X-Max? Is it because of the apparent versatility, or is there some production related reason? Is it just the bigger burrs?
I've had the JX for a while and it's been great, but how much better are these newer models? The X Pro is probably the equivalent to the JX from a price perspective, so am I missing something with the JX (primarily for pour over)?
These three grinders can be extracted slightly higher than Jx without running into astringency. But unless you try them side by side, you might not feel like missing out.
please do a comparison between commandante and ZP6
What would be the best when it comes to taste for pour over? Fellow Ode with SSP MP burrs or the ZP6? Thank you so much 🙏
I wonder if those 3 little black pins in the adjustment ring would be durable for years. Seems to be a bit fragile.
I am brewing a honey processed Ethiopian, very light roast from Sey coffee. I have it set to a 5 on the zp6 and still get quite a bit of stalling. I'm using 16 grams of coffee, cafec medium filters. 16 to 1 ratio. trying not to aggressively pour or agitate too much. Still the stalling slightly and slight bitterness. Is this normal for this kind of coffee or could the zp6 have poor allignment? I have seen some grinding light coffees on RUclips on a ridiculous 3.2 setting on the zp6 and still saying the cups are quite clean. So I am a bit confused 😕
Ethiopians are often tricky with brew times. Especially if they are not washed. I wonder if you're using size 01 filter in and size 02 dripper? That can also cause stalling. Don't think it's a problem with the grinder, but feel free to send pics of the grinds at asser@coffeechronicler.com or DM on IG. Then I'll see if I can diagnose it.
Thanks Asser. I'll get some photos over to you. The cafec T 90 medium dark roast filters (2 to 4 cup) are stalling more than the Hario 02 filters, the ones made in Japan. I've taken the zp6 grinder to 5.3 to prevent stalling. I am not creating a divot in the bed for the bloom and i am not swirling. Just spoon excavation some to release gases. Still not a great cup, perhaps a bit weak but cleaner. I have cafec Arabica filters to try also. I'll email you more details. Thank you.
I live in the US and brew primarily pour over. I’m seeing the ZP6 Special cost about $200 and the X Pro cost about $150. Would you say the price difference is worth the difference in flavor for pour over? Or is the difference not so remarkable to be worth the $50 difference?
Thank you for your excellent videos!
Hello what did you buy and how is it?
Thanks for the great and detailed review. What grind settings did you use on X-pro for pour over? I’ve found good results around 1.0-1.1 range (which is waaay finer than 1zpresso recommends)
I used 2.5, also quite fine, and dialed in with the other grinders to produce the same level of fines via sifting. For reference, the espresso setting is around minus 3.1 on my grinder
1.0? that like super/super fine. for example the guy from Alternative Brewing used espresso setting at 0.4.2. but if you are getting good results, thats usualy aeropress range. probably using hoffman tehnique?
@@bogdandobrita3441 just to make sure we’re talking on the same page I mean I’m at about 8clicks past the first full revolution (between the numbers 0-1). Yes I’m on Hoffman 1 cup recipe and the coffee is amazing!
@@JeremyJanzen yeah, I understood the setting. James grind a little bit finer, but 1.0 is like espresso range, probably presurised, but still. well, if it works for you then its ok. do you have 0 where burrs dont move anymore?
@@coffeechronicler do you mean that you have two full rotations and then on number 5? Or do you mean 2 and one half rotations?
Thanks for review, I had JX-Pro previously and I assume it is discontinued. What is the alternative of JX-pro?
Thanks for the great and detailed review. What grind settings did you use on ZP6 for pour over?
Im also very interested in the ZP6 grid setting.
Thank you for the reviews, very nice video. I've got a question. I just ordered K-Max based on your recommendations, but I was also thinking about Comandante C40 Mk4, since in my country they are the same price. I am just starting with making coffee and I will definitely start with Aeropress and pour-over, I will try espresso later on. Do you think I did the right choice?
Yes, would definitely say you made the right choice. Espresso is not much fun on C40.
If i stick with pour over method, is K-max still the preferred choice? Or do you recommend zp6 or c40?
@@coffeechronicler In terms of grind results for espresso, do you think the old JE-Plus is still the highest quality grinder among all 1zpresso products?
Great comparison / review. I have the K plus and have been happy with it, although doesn't get much use with my big grinders, it definitely is a great value. Glad to know the ZP6 doesn't seem like it's that dramatically better for pour over.
Have you tried the Kingrinders, apparently they were an offshoot of 1zPresso, the K4 I believe they say has the same burrs as the JX-Pro, and K5 and K6 has the 1zPresso K-Series burrs but they're priced lower, I'm thinking the results or features/ ease of use is likely not as good, there's gotta be a trade-off somewhere. I wonder if the burrs are stabilized as well as the in the 1zPresso grinders (just looked up a video and it looks fairly similar internally from my memory).
Ah found Lance's hand grinder roundup and he compared the K plus with K6 and the Kplus was actually a bit better for some reason. Also the handle pops off on the K6 which would be annoying, I had a hand grinder where that happened. The K plus handle stays on nicely.
@@BensCoffeeRants the K6 handle only pops off if you forget to put the o-ring that attaches the handle to the plate.
Hi all! I am interested in a coffee grinder for Turkish coffee. Unfortunately, I can't find the JX Pro in Canada right now. Can you recommend the X-Pro version for it? I'm interested in your thoughts. Thanks in advance.
I can see you acquired Mignon Zero! Is this one for the Brew or Espresso? We need a review from you
Great review as always! Would also like know your thoughts on the Kingrinder lineup. I am torn between Kingrinder K6 and 1zpresso Xpro. They have same price range, at 180$, here in the Philippines. Looking for a hand grinder that can do both filter and espresso.
Thanks! I don't have much experience with Kingrinder, but in general they seem a bit like lower quality compared to 1z. I would only go for it if it's substantially cheaper.
@coffeechronicler
I’m not new to coffee (I’ve been drinking coffee regularly for 20 years), however, after years of using a mediocre grinder (Mr. Coffee burr grinder that sells for $40 at Walmart), I recently bought a Fellow Ode Gen 1 on sale for $159.
I really like it.
But after doing a lot of research, I find myself getting interested in hand grinders, both for travel purposes as well as just comparison and playing around with pour-overs at home.
How would you compare the 1Zpresso ZP6 Special and its conical burrs, which many rank very highly - possibly even in the top 3 for pour-over/drip, with the Fellow Ode with the “1.1 burrs” such as what I have?
If you're on the avantgarde of pour over and brew ultra light roasts with specially treated water, I think it's worth considering. But if you're less geeky, then I don't think you'll notice any difference. Maybe you'll like it less as ZP6 is not great for medium roasts.
@@coffeechronicler Thanks for your reply.
I do drink light-roasted coffees, but I’m far from an expert at discerning the flavors!
My favorite coffees have had citrus notes - orange and lime, followed by a caramelly aftertaste.
I ended up ordering an X-Pro because my wife has a Mokapot. Currently she uses canned, pre-ground Bustelo from the grocery store. But I want to play around with some light roasts through the Mokapot and see if she likes them. The Ode Gen 1 may, or may not be able to grind fine enough for Mokapot.
So, I’m sure the X-Pro will be able to do Mokapot, as well as espresso. We don’t currently make espresso, but I may get into it at some point.
The X-Pro will also be good for traveling.
And it will be fun to compare flavors between the X-Pro and the Ode.
all these new models make me feel like I have made a wrong choice with buying k-max hahah. Buying zp6 for filter coffee and q2 heptagonal for travel would be muuuuuch better. But actually kmax is still pretty good. I think 1zpresso has to find a way to solve this kind of psychological little problems :) Comandante has solved that with not doing anything for years hahah
Yeah, it's the paradox of choice. I also love restaurants with simple menus. But for the greater good of grinder innovation, they have probably made the right decision.
Not a wrong choice mate…
Kmax can produce more sweetness than zp6. So really depend on what type of bean for different grinder. For example, I like to use Kmax for natural process beans (fruity). Zp6 or x pro for wash beans to get more flower taste.
@@ianwang2002525 I know, but I can't change the feeling :)
I know that sometimes "clarity" is not something to look for. If my coffee beans are not of premium quality OR washed processed OR not roasted perfectly, I find that grinders that produce more round/sweet cups would be more enjoyable. My experience with ssp burrs and cmd c40 taught me that.
Wouldn't it be really cool if 1zpresso just sold the burrs inside the zp6 in a way that can also fit k-max?
Hey Asser! Would you mind checking that your zp6 is calibrated to burr lock at 0 and see where the sound of burr rub completely disappears? I think I may have a bad unit, as you say in your video that the burrs rub up to 5 clicks, and I'm rubbing up to 12 unfortunately. Would really appreciate it. Thanks a ton!!
My true zero (handle not able to spin freely is around -0.5) and I have some burr rub still at +0.5. I wouldn't worry about this. The numbers are arbitrary, and it's normal to have some burr rub before the burrs lock.
@@coffeechronicler Thanks a ton for the response! It's a relief to know burr rub is at 10 for you, since a difference of 2 is way better than a difference of 7! I've also always wondered, doesn't burr rub/burr lock damage the burrs?
What about Wilfa Uniform with stock burrs vs. ZP6? Thanks:)
ZP6. Wilfa Uniform is a bit more blended/muddled in its aftertaste.
@@coffeechronicler because I have Wilfa on the way from eshop. I hope I made good decison for 150€ and that difference is not huge
@@ondrejkascak3647 I have seen some great deals on Wilfas lately in Europe. If the price is right, it's still a good choice.
@@coffeechronicler I have one more question :) What about K-Max/Q2/C40 which have not same, but very similar burr geometry, how would Wilfa Uniform perform against those? Maybe later I will upgrade Uniform with some SSP burrs, but I know from your video, that there is problem with power of motor and changing grind settings during grinding.
I actually did just order the JX-Pro and am kind of annoyed at myself really that I didn't do enough research to find out that they'd just come out with the X-Pro... but since I don't even have an espresso machine yet, just an aeropress my main concern was just being able to get a great cup of coffee and be able to future proof for when I do throw down for an espresso maker.
Maybe once I do, I'll decide to get a flat burr grinder or upgrade to whatever is clearly better than the JX-Pro in the hand grinder world.
Really good video!!! I was wondering how the k max performs against the wilfa uniform for filter cups, for example. Thanks
If it's the Wilfa with stock burrs, then I'll prefer K Max.
Hello, I loved the channel, you do very good reviews. I have a question, I have the Hario Slim Mini grinder and I would like to upgrade my grinder, I was thinking of buying the Timemore C3, but I have seen the reviews on the channel and I don't know if it is better to change to the Jx (for €30 more than the Q2 It seems like a better option), because although it is twice the price of the C3, it seems that I will be able to get more out of it in the long run. I started learning to make espresso very recently, which is why I want to upgrade my grinder, but I continue to use other methods since it is more comfortable for daily use. I usually brew coffee for 1-2 persons on a French press, moka or espresso machine. What would you recommend me?
I think the new Q2 Heptagonal is phenomenal value. Jx is also a solid allrounder. I'd go for one of those. Q2 if you're into light roasts and clarity, and Jx if you want ease of use, speed and more into medium roasts.
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Is there a great difference between q2 heptagonal and x-pro for pour over lighter and medium light roast ?
The ZP6 burr is not the same as JS. 1) the feed angle is different, 2) the 6 point corners are sharp on ZP6 and square on JS. 3) the other half of the burr set has different geometry.
Great review. As always 😀
One question though, what is the plastic thing on V60?
It's the Hario V60 Drip-Assist. $24 USA Amazon. He has a video about it.
Great video!!. It would also be nice if you could share the grinding times for the espresso on the x pro. thank you!!!
Have you had pour-over from coffee ground by a Ditting 804? How would the ZP6 compare in clarity? I have an 804 with Sweet burrs, but looking for a clarity option. I might get the machined 804 burrs, but if a ZP6 was the same, I would rather get one - cheaper and would give me a 2nd grinder to use anytime without switching out burrs, but if the 804 would clearly be more clarity, I would rather go that route.
In my testing the ZP6 can't keep up with 64 mm SSP lab sweet, so it is probably the same with Ditting.
Hello! Nice video. Thank you.
Where do you buy the ZP6? I haven’t found a store who sell them here in Sweden. Or have you bought directly from their own website?
Unfortunately only available via the official store, besides a few retailers in North America
@@coffeechronicler okay. Thanks. I will try to order one. Hope them ship to Sweden.
i have jx for turkish (sometimes v60). where would you recommend me to upgrade?
thanks for the review Asser! could you give a rough guide for pourover grind settings as well as aeropress on the k-max? Also, do you plan to cover the new timemore b75 in the near future? thanks
B75, Yes! K-Max between 5.2-7 roughly. Most of the time around 5-5 to 6.
@@coffeechronicler Thanks! im glad to hear, a brew guide would be fantastic as I find the draw down very fast
You would not have the sifter tests for the main hand grinders that you have tested?
Another great video, thank you! Would the review of these grinders for drip method translates to aeropress? I bought the K-Max and now wondering if the ZP6 would have been better as clarity matters a lot to me.
I think it depends more on the bean type, roast degree and extraction yield you're going for. If you're mostly doing Aeropress and not ultra-light roasts, you'll probably be quite fine with K-Max.
@@coffeechronicler I have been getting good results with medium and light roasts with various single origin beans but we are always looking for that slight improvement 🌝 Thank you again for the amazing content and help!
Excellent review!
if i am using a drip coffee maker (oxo 8 cup) is the ZPSpecial best for that? i brewed a couple cups on 4.5 setting and the coffee was very strong. the grinds appeared very small shoupd i go bigger or perhaps this is the wrong grinder for a drip coffee maker?
I would mainly use it for light roasts. But can't see any reason why it shouldn't work for drip coffee makers if you have the right type of bean. Just try to go a bit coarser until you get the right balance.
I swear every week a new 1zpresso product gets released.
Would there be much taste difference if you take milk in youre drip coffee?
Is the JX gone? I cant find it except on aliexpress
I bought it myself some time ago (after watching your reviews ;))
Thank you for this informative video, enjoyed it so much! Btw, great wrap-up and conclusion.
Thanks Steven! Glad to hear
Thanks for this. I have a DF64 with the SSP Espresso HU burrs and was hoping the ZP6 would’ve been a dedicated filter grinder but I might be chasing after an Ode with SSP MP burrs instead.
It is a dedicated filter grinder. I haven't tried making filter coffee SSP HU, so can't say how these two stack up against each other, though.
I know it is, but if the ZP6 burrs aren’t perfectly “unimodal flat-like” then I’m not sure if I’ll have much benefit next to my HU burrs. the geometry does provide an improvement for brewed coffee vs the Italmills, but definitely not as consistent as the MP burrs. I secretly was hoping the ZP6 would’ve been closer to the MP profile but I guess not
@@julianpark93 Ah, yeah. From my experience, only the SSP MP's (and brew burrs) have that bright "window" like clarity. ZP6 has something great going on, but not quite the same.
Wich one burr is better for espresso. Stainless or Coated?
I think geometry is more important. Coating is more to increase life span. But it seems it could promote sweetness a bit.
Any chance to review timemore c3 esp & compare it w jx & xpro
I just ordered the ZP6, should be here within a week I would think.
Where did you buy that spinner! Perfect for blind testing I don’t need someone to mix it up anymore
It's actually for product photography: amzn.to/3HTgwwB
Thanks!!
I need a recommendation, i'm on a tight budget and i want to make the best milk drinks i can and i was thinking to either buy the Wacaco Picopresso and have my coffee shop grind the coffee for me or buy the cafflano kompresso and pair it with the chestnut c2 so i can grind at home. Is the difference between the 2 brewers massive, will i be able to taste it in a milk drink? What do u think? Are there any other brewer i should take into consideration?
If you buy a grinder, then avoid the C2, since it's not suitable for espresso. C3 would work, though. Kompresso/Picopresso will probably taste pretty similar in milk drinks.
@@coffeechronicler Thanks, much appreciate it
@@coffeechronicler Can the c2 grind fine enough for the Kompresso though?
Come for a good hand grinder, now I'm seriously considering a Fellow Ode.
Between K Ultra and X Ultra, which would you recommend for medium roast pour over?
Overall, I like K Ultra better for taste and user experience, but X Ultra is not a bad choice if you prefer the look/size/price
@@coffeechronicler that’s good to hear, I was leaning towards the k ultra and this just helped me decide - thanks!
I have been using the Q2 Pentagonal for a couple of years, and I'm wondering if you think it would be worth upgrading to the zp6?
Yes, would give a nice boost to clarity and aftertaste.
HI Asser, are you planning on testing and reviewing the Fellow Ode Generation 2 grinder? It appears to be a significant upgrade from the original version.
I hope to get it or at least the V2 burrs
@@coffeechronicler 👍
@@coffeechronicler thanks for the informative video as always, I am wondering if you are planning to make a comparison between Lagom P64, or Fellow Ode with 64mm SSP MP vs Orphan Espresso Apex, I am very curious to hear your thoughts between Ghost Burr vs SSP MP
Great video, thanks. Any idea if the octagonal burr from the small one would fit in a Timemore Nano? I trust your evaluation on the flavor but the Timemore Nano is just such a good design for a travel grinder.
Thanks for the kind words! I don't have a Nano. But don't think any of these burrs will be able to fit. Maybe some of Timemore's new burrs are compatible.
I would rather buy the q2 with heptagonal burr set. Super small and well built
God I absolutely love your voice man
Hi! I have a comandante c40, do you think there is a Big difference in taste compared to the zp6
A difference, yes, but not a major one. If you have one of the top-hand grinders, the next logical step would be flat burrs. However, ZP6 will have a nicer UX.
@@coffeechronicler sorry but what does « UX » mean?
@@crispypappadums User Experience
@@yoditonugrahacky765 ah! Thanks! 😄
ZP6
Grande Asser! Great review!
Thanks Stefano :)
I want to buy X-pro for pour over but afraid from the point that X-pro tends to show more acidity . Does this mean that the sweetness in the pour over coffee is low ? Can I adjust that by grinding finer ?
No worries, it can still make a sweet pour over. It's more meant to describe the difference to the other models.
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Thanks for your reply :)
@coffeechronicler thank you for the great content (wife cant stand you anymore because you're always playing on tv). I have a jmax, was thinking zp6 or xpro (cost decision as well vs k ultra). In mauritius we get mainly medium and light medium. Would zp6 handle those well or better go xpro? Or is there a big jump from jmax for pour over
If you would be cupping, what grind settings will you be using for the zp6, kmax and c40? This method might produce less bias and less variations when comparing it to pourovers :)
Zp6: 3.2 / K Max: 6.0 / C40: 22... Just from memory :)
Thank for an another great video Asser! One small request, if you do a blind test, try to proceed it in a single shot just to be at open as possible. There were a couple of cuts when you removed the rotation plate and when you changed the camera to an overhead one. I trust you, but if you attempt to do a blind test, maybe consider all in one shot. Fast-forwarding is great indeed for some moments
Thanks, Michael, I get your point. Being a non-native speaker, I usually have to cut out some odd words and mistakes here and there, but I'll see if I can do it in one take next time.
I saw Kyle's reviews and he said x pro is very closely to the commandant c40. Do you compared with them? Actually I'm finding a budget grinder which can give me bright flavor and clarity taste.
I have used C40 in the past, but don't have it anymore. I think X Pro would perform similarly, but with better UX.
Keep going!
Thanks, Alex! Much appreciated 🙏
Have you compared the ZP6 to the Fellow Ode Gen 2? Thanks!
No, only have Gen 1 at the moment. I would think that Gen 2 is a bit cleaner.
Great video as usual, thank you.
which grinder fits inside the aeropress push part?
I have the K-max and especially for some coffees there is a lot of coffee clinging to the sides of the jar and the bottom of the burrs (burrs exit) - almost a table spoon worth of coffee. But this is mostly fines, so maybe its a good thing. My question is, do you experience the same thing and does this mean that my grinder produces too many fines or is it more a property of some beans? For some beans this isn’t a problem and for others (especially ethiopians or darker roasts) a lot of coffee is wasted because I dont use the clinging coffee (and when I do I regret it)
I use a little RDT spray on all beans to prevent this. But you're right, fines and excessive static is especially common with Ethiopians and darker roasts.
@@coffeechronicler okay cool! But after this video I want the ode gen 2 with ssp, so maybe ill try and sell of my K-max :) dont quite understand why this new version with ssp burrs arent more hyped, sounds like its the perfect pour over grinder
@@nikolajhansen15 it isnt hyped bcause ode gen 2 with ssp burs cost is like 450, in Europe probably 500 euros. for that money I can buy q2 for travel, ZP6 for filter, and J max for espresso. and also electric grinders will be more maintenance prone, will need more alignament and etc. so yeah, thats why:) on top of that, I bet that for a normal person it will be harder to see the differences between zp6 and ssp, coffeechronicler is q grader, afterall.
@@bogdandobrita3441 yea but if you want flat ssp burrs then I dont see a better alternative. Im not that interested in having many grinders, im interested in getting the most out of my beans
I sent my K-Max back because of the static. I couldn't deal with the mess.
zp6 are now back in stock
Excellent video!
awesome video, thank you
Which flat burr grinder would be the best upgrade for a pour over home brewer that is used to the Comandante? I want to improve my experience in terms of complexity and aftertaste. Thank you in advance for your recommendations!
That is a broad question. It could be very different based on your budget.
@@dtonpbac let’s say with any budget but adapted to a home brewing set up (size-wise)?
Fellow Ode with SSP MP/Sweet lab would be a good choice
If there is no limit for budget, I would go for either Option-O Lagom P64 with SSP Unimodal Brew burr or Weber EG-1 with Ultra low fine burr. The burrs that produce the least amount fines are the best for filter coffee especially if you prefer the most complexity in your cup.
@@dtonpbac are the Ultra low fine burrs are the default burrs on the EG1 or it’s a modded version?
Do you have any feelings about JX vs X pro for someone who likes vibrant, juicier espresso?
Would take X Pro
@@coffeechronicler thanks so much!
What grind settings on the zp6 and kmax
I think it was 5.2 on K Max, 3.4 on ZP6 and 2.5 on X-Pro.
@@coffeechronicler thanks.
@@coffeechronicler wow 5.2 on kmax is too thin for pour over…usually in 7.5-8.5
@@ianwang2002525you might have to recalibrate yours. 8.5 is French press course on my K-max and 5 is where I start pour over.
Does anyone have zp6 special they are willing to part with. I can’t find one anywhere. Even though it says it’s new product on the website but apparently they don’t make it anymore.
I emailed the manufacturer and apparently they don’t make it anymore.
new subscriber here..is amazing how manual grinders have come so far over the past 5 or so yrs....i am using an 9 yr old breville smart grinder that is on the fritz so i'm thinking of going this route...i mostly do french press..also have an aeropress that i have yet to try.
what would you suggest please for a great value/bang for buck? i was looking at the k ultra (as i might also explore a manual expresso maker if i can find a nice one). continued success with your very informative website and this youtube channel.
Thanks for the kind words! If you're also planning to brew espresso, I'd go for the K-Max. Don't see any good reason to pay more for the Ultra version, when the K-Max is ticking all boxes.
@@coffeechronicler upon reading your review I decided just to stick with a more affordable JX as I won't experiment with expresso....will just stick with french press, aeropress and my newly ordered Hario pour over starter's kit...thanks again👍
Thanks!
I have the K-Plus for espresso. I hold the base stationary on a wood cutting board with one hand and grind with the other. I tried air grinding once and it caused a 5-second drop in my shot time. So right or wrong, I’m sticking with holding it stationary. Try it and see if the same happens to you.
I know I am confused. eezee presso? Its clearly 1 zed presso. How do you get eeezee from one zed?
It's the way the 1 is pronounced in Chinese (Yi), and a play on the word 'easy'