Landrover Defender 2020 110 SE - Owner Review After 2 Months - Good Car or Problems?
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- Updating review of the Landrover Defender 2020 after about 2 months + of owning the car to explore whether it has been a good experience so far, looking at some of the likes and dislikes. Not comparing to Grenadier or Mercedes G Class.
Bought this model for my wife and she absolutely loves it. Agree regarding the auto-stop feature...showed her how to disengage it. Otherwise, she couldn’t be happier with this vehicle. She calls it a Beast!
Thanks. Very good name for it.
How to disable auto stop start please??
Your review is far more useful than any other from journalists! I’m about to get mine in this next days and I’m getting it for probably the same reasons that you, good reliable 4X4 that is good make you and your family feel secure when the circumstances demand them. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for the comment back. Enjoy yours when it arrives.
Alfred Cole thank you Mr Cole. Is there an Email I can write to you to ask some questions if it is ok?
Alfred Cole thank you Mr Cole. Is there an Email I can write to you to ask some questions if it is ok?
Andres. If you email. Defender2020@alfredcole.com I will receive the email and post a reply. Best Regards
the name itself is enough for me had series 2 1969 discovery 1997 and now own 13 yr old Freelander 2 with 134000 on the clock, but love the style of new defender and watched all reviews with very few negatives . nice review yet again thank you for sharing
Thanks.
I have the same problem with the passive entry system. I’ve never had that problem with any of the other land rovers ive had. It’s annoying. I have a few minor annoying things. The auto low/high beams won’t stay on the drive on right when selected. When the car is turned off they default back to the left. That makes them go crazy sometimes bc it’s confused. Have to select drive on right each time you start it up. With that being said I love mine! I’ve had a lot of land rovers over the years including my 1994 defender 90 I still have sitting next to my 2020 defender. So far this is one of my favorites if not my favorite I’ve owned and I’ve owned everything from Range Rover classics and defenders to brand new range rovers and everything in between. I believe my 2020 defender is my 18th rover. We have a 300 acre farm with some rough terrain and the new defender gets around extremely well. I’m happy with mine. It has 5000 miles on it now.
Nice video, I had similar clock issues on mine plus some other issues with Pivi Pro, took it back in they did some updates and seem to have fixed it.
Thanks for the note. I’ll do that. Hope yours is running well also. One of the best cars I have owned.
I have entered a competition to win one, now I’m getting my hopes up after watching your video! A good honest review and the area looks amazing.
Thanks and good luck.
The start stop and keyless entry glitches are definitely annoying. Nothing that would stop me from buying one though. I've enjoyed all your videos (even though I viewed out of order). Can't wait for the next one!
After TFL review one lemon car of defender in their videos.. all the promo defender come up to cover that lemon new defender car
in what language is this written in?
Those guys are brand ambassadors for Ford Bronco , reviewing the competition & finding faults , just a bit lame really.
@@waynemakka1324 Uh, no, they are not. They quite famously don't have a good relationship with Ford.
To be fair Doug demuro bought a defender and drove it cross country twice and had bought it previously to tfl. No problems with it so I think you just see what you choose to see. There are far more rover haters in the US than any other brand it seems. So it's obvious if you post a video about issues it'll gain a ton if traction. Granted they got a new model for free thats more expensive and haven't had any issues with the new one.
Great video! I was considering a redesigned range rover sport in the future but you can’t beat the uniqueness or price of the defender!!!
Nice video. Thank you for your commentary on the new Defender!
Nice video the new Defender is starting to grow one me I currently own a Discovery 4 and also live in North East Ohio! Do you know of any Off-Road spots?
Find Green Oval Guild on Facebook. We're a central Ohio Land Rover club. We off road in Vinton County in Southern Ohio primarily. We do have some events at Southington Off Road park in Northern Ohio also. You can see some videos from club runs on our channel.
@@RoverLanding-Adventures Will definitely join! Trying to get my Discovery 4 some Off-Road time!
This is a really useful overview of the truck. Thanks. I've wondered especially about the configuration and mechanics of the cargo space, which this video shows very nicely.
Its a car not a truck
Good honest review, looking forward to hear more about the defender
Thanks for the review. We are looking at one now. Just test drove a P400 yesterday. It was nice.
Thanks for sharing. Good luck with it.
The keyless entry issue can be caused if you have the keyfob and your mobile phone in the same pocket, the radio waves emitted by the phone can block the signal from the fob to the car. I had the same problem with my Suzuki Vitara, when I put the phone and the fob in opposite pockets the keyless door entry system worked as it should.
Nice review buddy
Thanks
Excellent review, my friend. I’m considering trading in my 2020 Subaru on the Defender. There isn’t anything wrong with the Subaru Outback Touring at all, it’s just a little boring. I’ve never had a Land Rover (due to their record on poor reliability), and have focused on German cars (Mercedes S550, BMW X5 diesel, Porsche cars), but this Defender looks like it’s fun and super utilitarian. Plus, I think it can be fully used as our business vehicle and, if leased, it a fully deductible business expense. I’ll keep watching your review(s), and thank you for doing a great job on this.
Thanks for the review comment and sounds like a great idea on the use for the business.
Really nice review on an amazing vehicle! As for the clock issue I haven’t had your problem but I did think it was too small so I went into settings and placed an analog clock between the speedometer and the tachometer. Looks like it belongs there and is very easy to read . Cheers
Thanks. Nice idea. I haven’t looked at the different layout options much so I will check into that.
One of the best looking suvs on the road, I was going to buy one then....forums starting filling up with problems and My closest Dealershio is 3 hrs away. So guess it’s going to be a Lexus GX460 for now. Wish Tata motors would sell and allow this great looking suv to be designed mechanically from the likes of Toyota for example. Mare it bullet proof and they would sell a million of them in the states. Sad the risk is too much for the reward.
love that color. wish we could see more of the look of the car. great review regardless. tx !
Thanks. A couple of my earlier reviews show the outside of the car in more detail.
Going to try and follow your channel. I wanted a Defender 90 back in the 90s. This new one looks so good. My main issue is being a Toyota/Lexus owner for 25 years. If I knew this new 110 was as reliable as Toyota it would be a no brainer. I don’t know that though. It’s on my list as next vehicle option, along with a Land Cruiser. Our neighbor has a new 110 as well so will be asking her about her experiences as well. I want it to do well. I really do... but I have concerns.
I think your concerns are totally legitimate. I just ordered a 2021 today and made the leap. My sales rep was very upfront and said that the early 2020s had issues. The new factory they spun up to build the new Defender had challenges due to COVID from supply chain to capacity etc so they definitely had spotty quality assurance. He told me for peace of mind get a 2021 model year. After mulling over it for over a month I went ahead and placed an order this morning! I’m beyond excited :):)
Beautiful spec. Did you go with prepaid maintenance? If so could you let me know pricing with or without?
Well filmed review here, very useful. I have owned two RR Sports, 2011 and current 2017, and now having tested your version of the Defender a couple of times I think that it is quite a different driving experience from the Sport. I would say that compared to the RR Sport, the Defender steering is slower, with a slightly larger steering wheel that is a bit more bus-like angle, so combined with the softer suspension with more travel, the Defender feels a bit wallowy and just a bit ponderous doing tight corners. At speed it tracks well as you noted, has a nice snarl with the six, and is incredibly quiet, very little difference from the Range Rover which surprised me. The main difference I see is that the Defender has much more capable suspension, with more wheel travel, and softer and progressive damping - you can hit virtually any size bump or hole and it just floats through, where the RR Sport would do it, but feedback more of a jolt to the driver. If I lived in more mountainous terrain, doing steep offroad climbs etc, the Defender would be my choice. For my mix of highway, urban, and country gravel roads, I still prefer the more nimble driving characteristics of the RR Sport. Note the full size Range Rover would be somewhere in between... perhaps even a bit closer to the Defender, but without its amazing suspension.
Thanks. I too would give the RR an edge on the nimbleness. My last RRS was the supercharged, which I was tempted into after watching a Top Gear review when they put it around the track timed against a John Cooper Works Mini. I would love to see the Defender be reviewed on a track, at speed. I don’t have a nearby track or the driving skill to do it proper justice. I would echo your comments on the differential in feeling, though relative to Defender vs RRS. Just watched another video where a comparison to the old Defender was made. One of the new Defender’s strength was the tightness of the turning circle. One of my other cars is a Mini Cooper S so not to that level, but Defender tighter and less wallowy in the turns then many large cars. Thanks again for the quality comment.
This is one of those cars that look better in person!
Does the new defender have small rattles or creaking sound in the car?
Is it the 6cyl variant? I think the car sounds good. Great review by the way.
Good review. Think about all the people like myself who are wanting to buy one, though worried about reliability. This is a great looking car but every review I see has some issues. Hence I have to pass as too far from the dealer for fixing annoying issues.
Nissan patrol guy here and this when be my first European car
Thanks for sharing. Great choice.
Brave choice, but i Think your gonna miss Nissan reliability
Thanks for the review.. IMO the new 110 is a lot more capable than its predecessor but the older model looks much cooler.
My only concern is resale value if I decide to sell down the road.
Thanks for balanced review. Just wanted to know what paint color is this? looks great
Thanks. It is Gondwana Stone.
Thanks for the update.. can you do a video of the back seat leg room.. since you are about 6 ft tall your driving position will be like mine.. just like to see how your legs fit in the back. Btw what is the MPG? Thanks
It seems the car itself it pretty good, it’s just got some software issues which is fixed by updates.
Lost me at keyless entry and stop-start, but then I am more old school
Great n honest review! Please compare with RRover sport with regards to snow/wet terrain, gas consumption AND comfort! ty!! Cc
Are you on The Car Lounge? There is a poster there who has the exact same problems you talked about with the clock and keyless entry.
No not me. I am thinking the clock thing will get solved by a software update at some point (though could be GPS struggling to locate on occasion) and the keyless entry another commenter suggested changing out the key battery which I just haven’t done yet.
Did you get additional winter tires for snowy months? I realize you haven't gone through a winter in it yet but interested in your opinion.. Thanks
I have the all weather tires/tyres and planning to use those through the winter. Had some light snow here in Ohio at the weekend, but I am waiting for more snow before adding to video’s and giving feedback. Thanks for the question.
Hi, good ”real world” experiences, thanks. Land Rover (as many other brands) seems to have problems publishing detailed info of the options in their cars. Do you know what the difference between the SE model 12-way electric seats and HSE 14-way electric seats actually is?
I don’t know for sure but may be the headrest. On 12 way the headrest is manual. On Range Rovers I have had in the past the headrest can also be electronically adjusted.
Super cool vehicle but I think that at this price point, these electronic glitches are inexcusable. I’ve watched 2 owner reviews so far and both of them have had issues of some sort from the beginning. At least yours hasn’t been stuck at the dealership.
Thanks for the comment. I am going to add some clips on the odd glitches, I have experienced. Taking a positive view my glitches are software, rather than component; so biding my time for getting an upgrade on the software. I’ll showcase the odd glitches in my next video.
Mr. Cole, is this a comfortable/plush car over bad pavement? We live in the city where the roads are covered with potholes, steel sheets, and other unpleasant imperfections. How would this Defender fair over such conditions?
Good question. I would say the ride is firm, averagely so. You would feel a pot hole for sure and steel sheets would translate into the cabin, but no more than a usual car. The country roads where I live are inconsistent and do have gaps and pot holes. The car takes them well. There is more road feedback than a Range Rover, but not extreme or concerning. Your best advice would be to book a test drive and see how you get on.
@@LDB5337 Thanks for the feedback. These cars are so hot right now, that the closest dealers don’t have any in stock. They’re sold before they arrive.
Auto start stop you can turn off by pressing the A symbol on top of the @ sign...
Thanks.
I can’t work out whether you’ve got the MHEV version of the petrol straight six in your SE or not ? I’m surprised that you’re experiencing stop-start issues with a 48-volt belt-driven starter ...unless that version hasn’t made it to the US yet ? Or maybe this is the usual V1.0 approach of JLR where they take their usual multi-attempt method to calibrate their drivetrains?? It’d be good to know.
Thanks for the tech notes and thoughts. It is the P400 MHEV 3.0L 6 cylinder. I’ll have to investigate further re the starter. As I understand the auto start stop draws energy when braking (so further friction) to provide the restart capacity. I turn it off a lot of the time and the rhythm improves over time. Ie I have learned to live with it, but as you said would be good to know. Thanks again
Alfred Cole Thanks for the info. I’ll be mindful to test this soon since I’m looking at a Defender too. If you want the 90 with a petrol MHEV here in the UK you’ve got to get the ‘top’ X version at GBP £ 77 k ...though the ‘cheaper’ 6-pot diesel MHEVs are available across the board. I was under the impression that 48-volt systems had cured that re-start ‘jolt’ you get on most stop-start systems. It may be LR already have an update to resolve your current experience ? Fingers crossed.
This is one of those stop and go engines..expect to to pour the money saved in gas to repairing/maintaining that in future.
Keyless works very weak if you have cell phone in the same or nearest pocket
Which colour is this?
Color is Gondwana Stone - Still looking sharp after nearly two years.
The mean problem with a new defender is the air suspension lowerd it self when going over 50 km and you don't need that specially when driving on sand dunes
Thanks for the comment. As I said in the video, my view is that the car is (will be) superb in most conditions, but relies on the electronics to perform the right role for the right circumstance. Air suspension is great for me, and not a lot of sand dunes in Northeast Ohio. If you watch a couple of Landrover’s own videos and the longer journalist films crossing parts of Africa you can see the car performs. But going out alone anywhere extreme requires assurance of a plan B. Hope you are planning to buy one. Thanks again.
@@LDB5337 thanks a lot and I own 2012 range rover, 2019 land cruiser for family and a 2000 jeep cherokee xj for desert trip and I am planning to buy the defender May be next year or the bronco ( not arrived yet to dubai).
I love the new landrover defender
Can you turn the auto stop off? Is that an option?
There is a button on the dashboard that you can press to turn it off every trip. I.e get in turn the engine on, press the button and you are set to off until you turn off the engine (unless for some reason you press the button to re-engage it). Not aware if it can be set as an option as always default off. I have got the rhythm working ok now, but when the system builds energy when the car brakes, comes to a halt it could be smoother. Hope that helps.
Great looking truck. However down here in Australia it will be at home in a city. I personally would not fancy taking one remote touring, too much Land Rover tech...big risk remote.
Thanks for the comment. To draw on Greek mythology the Defender is robust and a warrior like Achilles, able to handle a lot of things in a formidable way. However the level of tech is potentially an Achilles heel, and I would agree with your comments, and properly assess the risk of going to truly remote locations.
I got mine 2 days ago. Does yours have Apple Car Play issues? I was driving and my dash and infotainment systems froze and restarted while I was driving. No error codes so maybe just a glitch with Apple car play that caused it?
I have had 2 odd moments on the computer system which I am going to post in a summary shortly. Nothing on the Apple CarPlay, which I have not used much. I have had mine since June and keep meaning to take it in for a system update (version) check, just to do a regular refresh and benefit from updates. Probably check in with your dealer’s encore person, who can assist you. Hope you are otherwise very much enjoying the car.
Any technical issues so far?
I’m putting together my next update shortly. Top 7 problems/dislikes and top 7 likes.
at your height, can you lay down top to toe in the boot with the rear seats down?
Just tried it. At 6 foot, answer is yes and no. With seats fully down, feet to the tailgate my head is over the folded seats, so yes if you are planning to sleep in the car (eg camping) and put down a mattress to raise yourself up AND only if you are in the middle. No to length generally. Lengthwise I would describe it like a Virgin Atlantic Upper Class experience. Can’t lay straight out, but better than sleeping sitting upright. Hope that helps.
@@LDB5337 thank you kindly.
Sounds Well on Accelaration
The Engine start / Stop is annoying. fortunately you can turn that feature off. just go into settings in the infotainment.
Which menu is the option in? I know there is the dash button for every trip, but have you found a permanent off selection?
@@LDB5337 Press the auto stop/start button to deactivate the auto stop/start system
@@LDB5337
HOW DO I TURN IT OFF?
You can turn off the system by pressing the button on the center console. Keep in mind, this will only turn it off for the duration of the drive, not permanently.
IN Settings turn of the ECO button (Which helps you save on fuel
I have got a bit of cash behind me after working hard all my life . I have freinds who have had discoveries , not all with fairy tale endings (non actualy) but trying to look objectivly and seeing the defender for what it proports to be , might just suit me . I, have a 120 mile commute down to my cruiser mostly on the M5 every weekend and the choice is either go for a bonkers car which I fancy for purely selfish reasons ...a one owner Jaguar XJ12 series 3 1990 with just 57k on the clock for £11k or buy this Slovakian built techno marvel contraption . But I dont want to be caught on the motorway with the engine warning light or the safe mode giving me just 30mph nor the appalling "tek it or leave it pal" reputation of the JLR dealers so Im going to buy the V12 Jag XJ series 3 and I just know its the right decision , I wont lose money, wont lose my patience , wont want to kick the shit out of the faulty defender computer and I wont have blown £65k on something that will be worth less than my shirt in a years time sitting a JLR workshop whilst the grease monkeys scratch their heads about why the Defender after less than 300 miles , wants another engine .
Thanks for taking time to leave a comment and don’t worry about upsetting me as I only drive the Defender, I don’t sell them. Good luck with the Jag option as also great cars. From experience of having had an XJS V12 which used to give me around 7mph, and an XJ Sport make sure service history is good. I also in 2020 test drove the Jaguar XE Dynamic so if you are a big Jaguar fan it is worth a look. Superb driving balance and slippery quick. Just watch the speed cameras on the M5.
4:33; Says it all. The new Defender is great for the suburban jungle as well as some pretty challenging offroad courses/obstacles but cannot match the dependability of a Landcruiser, Prado, Patrol or G-Class in extreme environments. Great review!
Thanks for the comment. I should also expand to clarify my thoughts in the review. This car has significant electronic and sensing technology so is more than capable of handling extreme environments, but the point being that it relies on that technology. Similarly to a commercial plane. Technology keeps it in the sky but a strong maintenance and support regime keeps the technology working. For the Defender the presence of all this technology makes the car of immense value, and to Max’s comment it is well placed and great for the suburban jungle.
nice colour
I hope Defender and British cars in general succeed in US because they are not very reliable and popular in Europe. I'm not very optimistic, considering unexperienced Indian owner of Land Rover.
Thanks for the note. In North America I see a strong commitment to the brand and a strong focus to customer appreciation. I was one of the first people to have the opportunity to own a Defender and Rory Beattie, Vice President, Customer Service at Land Rover North America, took time out to send me a personal video message to say thank you. Unexpected and appreciated. The sales team at my local dealer, Landrover Solon, are professional and we have purchased 5 cars over recent years. My humble view is that Tata’s ownership has provided the investment to take the brand forward; holding true to the design elements of both Landrover and Jaguar. Both ranges have strong offerings and still feel quintessential British. I see myself owning the Defender for many years, but also know that my next car (whenever that is) will come from the same stable. I am optimistic. Thanks again for your comment.
Endless tech issues with mine. I’ve now sold it after 6 months
🖕🏼💸💩
A great British car hope it sells in thousands.British car industry needs a success story especially now we are Brexit vulnerable!!!
Well done Land Rover!!
British car by an Indian Company, build in Slovakia with parts from different EU countries. Otherwise the quality would be different.
Al Ser - yes, it is owned by an Indian company, but that has been a net gain for LR. I have read that LR remained independent for engineering and design. Tata money helped make them better.
You live in NE OHIO?! If ya have instagram pls hit me up, I live in NE Ohio and really want to lease a 2021 Defender 90 in the next few months. Geauga County here, live in the Snow Belt.
OMG you were in Gates Mills on Mayfield Road ahha
Fuel economy in city? whats the real number
Real numbers. I live in a more suburban area. Short trip to work, 20.3mpg (14.7 miles at average 37 mph). More freeway, motorway 23.4mpg (20.1 miles at average 46mph). Longer mainly freeway, motorway with some mixed, 22.8mpg (116.6 miles at average 66mph). The Landrover app helps me track all my trips in detail. Hope that helps. Don’t have a direct city number right now. As I said not disastrous and not fantastic. Somewhere in between and given this is a P400 engine I am good with the numbers.
Fantastic color choice.
Thanks
I’m surprised it even lasted this long being a LR
Fanboy review. Land Rover was a poorly built car when it was UK owned, now that Tata owns it, it did not improve. The only thing I like about it is not wanting one.
Had 10 defenders from 98 to 14 ,so i obviously liked the cars,it was a working vehicle and a second hand value like no other! All of them caused some kind of problems even if they were so simple mechanical! Bad quality material corrosion after less than a year ! and badly put together for sure but charming! The new one seems more safe and comfortable but i would never trust the brand in terms of reliability,luxury for me is to feel safe,and completely trust my vehicle.
Nowadays i have a hilux but its a different kind of vehicle there is not any luxury over it and its boring to drive but rock solid and build like a tank! Its ugly too.
Congrats to your car! A cool head turner and i hope L R got it right put together,but again if your in to reliability go 🇯🇵 japanese! Thats my experience!
www.motorbiscuit.com/land-rover-suvs-are-a-maintenance-nightmare/?cmpredirect
Nice vid, but you said a lot when you said it, if you're going outback, you wouldn't take it,!
Says it all, if you genuinely feel like that, then it ain't no Defender!!
Its a Discovery/evoke clone, not a Defender!!
Cos Defenders should be designed and built with the "outback" at the top of its list of requirements, then make it comfy, luxurious and stylish, but ONLY after you've made it the King of the Off road!
Sadly, looks like a Chelsea tractor to me!
too bad the audio is so bad..
Thanks for the comment. On this video I wanted to mainly speak live rather than voice over, and used my GoPro8 with its directional mic. I also wanted to have people hear some of the road noise to have a sense that there was some, but that it was generally quiet. I’ll try a Rode mic on the next review to see if that cleans it up and gives a better balance.
@@LDB5337 i appreciate the explanation. lol I think that the mount location of the camera you were using is magnifying the road noise and sort of cancelling your voice audio. Because if it isnt the road noise is quite terrible.
@@LDB5337 I don't know, but I find the audio okay, you are easy to understand. Plus the information you are giving is what makes this video really good.
Boring and sounds is terrible
Having owned two Land Rovers, I quickly learned that these vehicles cannot be trusted to take beyond the city in Australia.
Time for an earlier model Pathy Pat! Ours has kept us safe in very rugged and remote parts for years now. We call it our Nissan LRV (Landcruiser Recovery Vehicle)! Actually, there are a lot of great choices for worry free off-roading in remote places - just not so many newer ones IMHO. Far too much electronics these days! About 10 years ago as DINKS when we could afford just about any car (perhaps not a Veyron), my wife and I chose to do 25,000 km of off-roading and camping around Oz in a '04 Suzy GV. Rock solid it was, cost nothing and we hardly lost any $ when we sold it. Would never take a new Defender anywhere near the places we went to. Oh for the simple life... Cheers from Sydney - Dave :-)
It all went pear shaped when people started to refer to landrovers as cars..on the farm where they properly belonged, you either took the landy or the car..now look at it, no mud or dog hairs anywhere..end of an era..rubbish
Thanks. I’ll try and muddy it up (or cover it in snow) and put my dogs in the back for the next video.
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It's a waste of a car. Defender is meant to drive off-road.