Was Johnny Sack Really Going To Whack Tony? | The Sopranos Explained
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- Опубликовано: 21 окт 2024
- In season 5 of The Sopranos, Tony Soprano is in a pickle when his cousin Tony Blundetto is wanted by the New York Lupertazzi family, in particular Phil Leotardo, for taking out one of their members.
Not wanting to give him up for torture, Tony instead takes Tony B out himself and tells Johnny Sack where Tony B is.
This doesn't solve the problem though, and Johnny Sack phones up Tony telling him Phil is angry, and John wants to set up a meeting in New York. But Tony says, "no offence, John, but I got an IQ of 136. It’s been tested." John is silent, Tony waits, and then Johnny says “Alright, tomorrow morning then my house 6:30”, but when Tony is hesitant he says “You think I’m gonna give you armatz with Ginny upstairs?”, and then reiterates that Tony should come alone, as he will be too.
So what happened here? Was Johnny Sack setting up a hit? Was Johnny really going to kill Tony if he turned up to the original meeting in season 5? Let's discuss.
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(Breaking Bad, 2008)
Always enjoy your vids. You do some deep insights.👍
That was a good vid too.
Tony getting whacked in NYC, 100% a legitimate concern. At that point in the war, there was enough tension for everyone to be concerned.
When they had that sit down at the Lupertazzi hangout, The Averna Social Club, threats were being made on Christopher, in front of everyone.
Johnny already made arrangements with Tony to whack Carmine. Then, Carmine gave Tony the OK, to whack Johnny. (or was it the other way around)
Either way, it was implied that NY was ready for some major shakeup, while the battle rages on.
Curiously, Melfi continued to treat Tony, despite all the news going down during the conflict. Jennifer had already warned Tony of her obligation to call authorities if people were to get hurt, during that earlier war between Junior and Tony, several seasons before.
Let’s not gloss over the fact that the sun was fully out at 6:30AM during the winter in New Jersey
It happens
It was out at like 550 today
Daylight savings lol
Tales from the trip what are you doing here?
@@grubblewubbles you beat me to it, lol.
"His 47 year old kid brother, Billy." That killed me 😂😂😂
Calling a 47 year old middle aged man makes me wonder what he would say about a child ..
“Kid was just 12 years old he’s practically still a fetus “
@@sean5558 My fuckin' unborn nephew, Vito Jr. Due for delivery any day now. 😂
It's not just Billy. Feech la manna says that he still thinks of Tony as a kid. You know the guy whom has grown up children of his own XD
Kid brother was used back in the day to say younger brother. But ya… “he was just a kid”
what about dysentery in the ranks rather than dissent
Johnny had whacking Tony on his back burner for a while. When he moved to NJ, he said he wasn’t going to stick his beak in, and immediately started sticking his beak in with Ralph at first, then Paulie. He had designs on taking that territory for himself. He wasn’t a natural busybody. He was always rational and pragmatic. He had a plan when he started cozying up to Tony’s underlings.
I think it was a hypothetical in John's mind. Like, he thought about "under what circumstances would it come to that?". I don't think it was an actual "goal".
Phil even mentions “it should have been done during Johns era.”
@alexandrostheodoro No, that was one of Phil's capos that made that comment. He actually condemned it.
And considering at that time Phil was still angry over not being able to kill Animal Blundetto Johnny would be able to satisfy a loyal capo by handing them Tony.
Tony had his friend pegged as the ruthless creep.
I love all the Easter eggs you drop in your script. So entertaining! 🤣
The scene just indicates heightened tension between the families. Tony is pointing out that he's on his guard, knowing full well that Johnny would understand what he's inferring by refusing a meeting on "away turf".
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100% agree, the pause by Johnny indicates to me that John get's what Tony is referring to and thinking how he can ease his concerns in a face2face meeting.
I agree. It would seem like Tony wants to drive home the point that Phil and others are creating this discord.
I never noticed Tony kept his hand in his pocket the whole time, and I’ve watched the show through 4 or 5 times! Makes sense though. Tony didn’t walk around strapped all the time because he didn’t need to and it would be an unnecessary risk to carry an unlicensed firearm, but he made sure to have an unregistered handgun on him when he went to meet Johnny and as you pointed out, kept it close at hand
Addendum: I’m obviously not as observant a viewer as I thought I was, but I never even thought about the fact that Tony only had the handgun he tosses when the feds show up because he didn’t fully trust Johnny and thought the meet might be a set up. He had no choice but to come alone and try to make peace with New York, but he had the good sense to bring a little plan b with him
@@johnbrennan2240can't blame yourself really. This show is one of the few shows you can watch over and over and over again episode by episode and still find something new. It's the metal gear solid of television.
@@JohnKobaRuddy Always find stuff I missed when I rewatch it or interpret something differently.
The show has so much depth and detail and very few definitive answers
I’ve watched the show 3 times and this never occurred to me until I read your comment
Dr. Milfi....did you do that on purpose? LMAO
Ay blame her parents
Absolutely. He has a lot of Freudian slips over the course of the video.
That's her unofficial name
Johnny wasn't being exactly subtle about his intentions, I think he actually wanted for Tony to know he wanted to kill him but his actual intention from the start was to "compromise" and meet at his home. Like you said: as pissed as he was, he knew that Tony B was going Rogue, he was just using the situation to take something out of it.
Tony bringing a gun to a meeting like that is a big no no in OC circles, especially at a meeting between bosses. So he was either really worried, or the writers just wanted to set up the gun charge that happened in a later episode.
Aside from Tony and Paulie, obviously, Ive always loved Johnny Sack and hes always been one of my favorite characters from the show.
I took it as Johnny having a sudden epiphany that it was an option hence the silence. If he were actually planning on doing just that, he would've been more active intially about securing Tony's trust.
You're the only person with a brain.
Exactly!
There was nothing we could do. Johnny had the makings of a Varsity Athlete and Tony didn’t.
Yes but Tony got away, whereas Johnny Sack slipped on the ice.
And that's that
Varsity Athletes do NOT slip on the ice.
Bro i came in here to make that same comment. "You took the wind right out of my fucking joke!"
that poor gardener dude getting violently arrested was so funny
by having Phil Leotardo come out from behind a radiator or hiding in a closet LMAO
Definitely the closet 😂
There was scene where Phil sees Tony at Artie's restaurant, I think, and relays thanks from John in prison, about handling the "Russ" situation. Tony denies knowing anything about it. Phil opens his jacket, to show he isn't wired, but also communicates that he understands the current situation, and being extra paranoid and careful. I think Johnny understood the same from the phone call with Tony and offered his home as a good faith gesture. The Feds busting John during that scene was just another sign that no one was safe, anywhere. And Tony was right to be paranoid and trust no one.
you're a cautious man but me, my heart is an open book
Johnny sack is and always will be my fav character on the sopranos
Why did I look up Muhammad Reza Pahlavi to see which character he played......well done sir🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
So which character was it
@billdehappy1 it's a joke referring to how Phil was nicknamed 'The Shah of Iran'.
@@67marlins duh...
@@billdehappy1 Take it easy, Uncle Eckle.
@@normie2716 honkar chillo pala mander tuke kar mro ful fysshar palichak bengalo ghadze namaste 😊🙏
The show's refernce terms you always insert into your monologs makes your videos even more entertaining. You're very allegorical. 😊
And the Godfathet 2 reference in this one was priceless 🤣.
I believe if the Sac-Man had not been indicted and had not contracted cancer, he would have whacked Tony somewhere down the line. Sac was playing a waiting game, he had Paulie as his inside guy and once he had a capo or two in his pocket and was confident they could take over the rackets in NJ, Sac would have whacked Tony and made Patsy or some other amiable capo boss. Either way, Tony's days were numbered after that animal Blundetto went off the rez. NY likely figured if Tony did not directly sanction Blundetto's actions, then he was unable to control his own family and therefore both a liability and a bad boss in general.
Nah they did good business together Johnny and Tony. They didn’t have each others best interests in mind, that much I do know, but they both understood that everyone eats more when there is mutual cooperation.
Na he had a working relationship with Tony, they had a history and I think John preferred working with Tony. But you never know these guys are psychopaths at the end of the day.
That’s a good point I’ve always said tony was a bad boss for not handing over his cousin when he whacked Joey peeps and Phil’s brother
@@antoniobaugh707he did the best thing he could do. He protected one of his guys, whether that was his cousin or not, from torture. He compromised if you will
@@NoNo47668 Tony only protected his relatives but the other guys that were not family did not get the same protection that’s what Carlo and Larry were discussing
I never took that interaction as “I think you’re trying to kill me Johnny”, more as “why would I put myself in that position right now with everything going on”. You can get wacked with or without permission, & details may or may not get straightened out, but you are still dead.
But then why would he be hesitant to go to his house?
David Chase has said that his original idea for ending the show was to show Tony driving into New York.
So I think that Cineranter has got it right, as much as you can about something that never made it into the show
one thing I love about Sopranos is that the characters don't become better people, its so realistic, just like real life most people just become worse people as they grow older, they try to change(like Tony)but they don't try hard enough, and all the characters are full of flaws
They don’t get worse you just remember how bad shit can go and try to prevent that by any means necessary
I don't think they become worse, what really changes is our perception of them.
At first, we see how they justify their actions, and we believe at heart their really good people. But as time goes on the delusion fades and we see them for what they really are and always have been, selfish murdering backstabbing lowlifes.
@@kaiozanette7787Tony definitely got worse towards the end of the show.
Absolutely -- have you tried changing elements of yourself (particularly personality)? I think once you notice it it's shocking how difficult it is to actually change as a person.
@@xxczerxx that's very true, and you don't have to do that, you can't change who you are, by change I mean your actions, doing better things, stop doing things that's bad for you and doing things that improve you, not that trying to change your personality, that's impossible
Bro, the opening dry tone of introducing the Shaw as Phil was pretty dang funny 😂😂
Shah. Not Shaw
"Refusing to give his cousin up for torture at the hands of the Shah of Iran's secret police"
Let me tell you a couple of three things, I almost died laughing at that and my estimation of you as a man just fuckin skyrocketed.
that IQ of 136 line was one of my favorites 🤣
It's been tested
I got an IQ of a shinebox. Now I'm going home to get it. 😁
Dude, your script writing is amazing. You sneak in deep cut sopranoisms, makes me legit lol all the time.
He wasn't going to whack Tony but I understand Tony's trepidation given the circumstances and so did Johnny Sack. I think Johnny really wanted to put the whole situation to bed because it was disrupting business. Johnny didn't really care for Phil very much but obviously had to strongly back him up being a Capo and he was in the Johnny Sack wing of the family and on his side during his power struggle with Little Carmine.
yeah, that nobody actually liked or cared about phil is germane here- johnny has been put in kind of a similar situation with phil that carmine was in with the ginny joke situation, where he's being asked to risk business for someone's sense of honor, and as it's not HIS honor he doesn't give too much of a shit.
one of the things that seems to come up a lot in the series is that given that the mobsters are all basically sociopaths, they're not... very likable, even to one another, lmao. paulie is one of tony's oldest connections of any kind, and he strongly considers murdering him straight up for being annoying, and tony is basically seduced by furio simply being kind of a fun hang
Johnny sack is my favorite character even tho he had his ways. Him and Tony’s relationship was up and down but I think they had a friendship that wouldn’t allow either of them to kill each other.
Tony said I was born but I wasn't born yesterday...lol
These guys have no real friendship. They simply use each other to their particular advantage. If either one saw a tactical, strategic, and/or relatively stable financial gain from whacking the other, they would do it without blinking an eye.
0:28 Ha Ha you said MILFi 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The Wire?
He ain't lying
Ngl every time Cine quotes the show I can't help but laugh. Really never gets old lol 😂
Idk... Johnny Sac was very very hurt when he felt Tony was involved. If you remember the quick scene At "PEEPS" Joseph John's funeral, when they were in the car, J Sac was literally holding back tears when he says "I swear on my mother Tony IF I FIND OUT YOURE LYING!....." So I think he really really felt betrayed, and it took a lot for him to finally trust Tony again.
We know John had no problem "whacking a boss" since he was going to whack Carmine, but I don't think he had any intention of killing Tony.
The 47 year old kid joke never gets old.
Just like a 47 year old kid.
I just turned 47 on July 5th, I'm still a kid? Cool.
If John wanted tony dead, he had every motive and opportunity and willing people. The change of venue might make it easier to lure his prey out, since he could have Tony killed on the way, and we know the Feds are listening since they hit John immediately.
I think is John wanting to talk to Tony in a dignified manner, but from a position of strength, on "neutral" enough ground that two bosses could talk without Capos or right hand men since we saw how that went last time when John has to put on a show and make threats for his underlings.
The two can't just meet anymore, and since Tony doesn't trust John and John comes on too strong, maybe it is John realized that Tony has every reason to think he's walking into a trap and has to convince him that he is sincere. Masterful acting.
Johnny was going to whack Tony and feed him to Ginny with some fava beans and a smooth kianty.
That little thing you said got me thinking, why don’t you challenge yourself to try to come up with an overall ending at the end of each seasons 1-5. Would make a great series!
Johnny Sack & Tony both knew Tony’s life was in danger if he showed up in NY. It doesn’t seem like Sack himself planned to kill Tony nor set him up, but he was as aware of the risk as Tony was.
Absolutely killing these videos.
I appreciated the fact that Johnny even though still looked down on Joisey, he still understood the importance of good relationship and how being friends with Tony smooths things over and how Tony is not a dumbass, they're just inferior because they're in a poorer state that's not as rich with as many Businesses and Money as New York, while Phil was just an emotional dude, acted like they're not thieves and murderers just like Joisey and ended up being betrayed, in the end New York were also a glorified crew and not really a true family neither.
Is that all one sentence? lol
the Mohammed Reza Pahlavi reference 😂😂
3:12 got a good giggle out of me
0:29 "Dr. Milfy" Freudian slip or a joke? Lmfao
I think Tony was more worried about going to NY with an unpredictable Phil on the loose rather than John murdering him.
Peeps? It's a knickname. His name is Peparelli!
Johnny Sac can probably get a note from his doctor saying he wasn’t going to whack Tony.
Great essay, loads to consider as a result, thank you.
'Dr Milfi'... I see what you did there...
I guess the distance between yes and no for whacking is as big and complicated as Ginny’s behind.
Plus, even if you paid someone a million bucks to bang Ginny, they would have to spend 1.5 million to pay a professional search & rescue crew to locate Ginny's snatch in the first place 🙂
I love your channel. I love watching the Sopranos, 5 times through for me including the original run (showing my age). Just curious and I know it’s not appropriate to the content but I can’t place your accent. Are you English? Keep up the good work dude! 👌
Speaking of Phill, could you do a video on how many years he served in prison? I know there is only slight speculation as to how many years, but I have a feeling that there are some key details that I, and all Sopranos fans may have missed.
I think that Johnny Sac would have made good on his agreement if Tony went through on the Carmine Sr. hit. Even in an inter-family war, Johnny Sac would have come out ahead either way, so why not make the move? It always seemed to me like that was the mistake which led to all the other mistakes that led to the S6 War with NY.
killing isnt taboo to them, theres no reason for johnny to react with surprise. it's a professional tool for them both, so it's not a big deal to bring it up as a possibility tony would prefer to minimize.
These videos are SO GOOD. Every single time.
136 IQ isn’t “genius;” it’s 140. That’s an oversimplification as many scientific communities still argue over how many types of intelligence there are and how to best measure them.
The way to calculate IQ (mental age divided by chronological age) means by default your IQ gets lower every year on your birthday.
Which simply illustrates its an inexact science.
136 is pretty high tho, considering the “average” American is at 100, so a large portion of Americans are below 100 IQ. Which isn’t too bright.
Marilyn Vos Savant holds the Guinness World Record for highest IQ ever tested.
Man, you always say exactly what I was just thinking on the topics lol.
Shah of Iran’s secret police. Laughed out loud at that line!
Johnny wanted to whack Tony, he compromised. He let the screen blackout instead.
Good shout here, I remember thinking this was a little heavy when I watched it, cheers 🥂
dissent: disapproval or conspiratory thinking
dysentery: explosive - sometimes fatal - diarrhoea
great videos. love 'em ❤
Johnny just knew there was no reassuring answer. I don't think there was an intent to kill him. He chose something more concrete rather than increasing the tension. He thought it through.
Would love to see an episode on Johnny Sac's prison doc!
Mohammed Reza Pahlavi was my favorite Sopranos actor.
I think Johnny Sack WOULD kill Tony...if it made sense to do so. It was probably not what Johnny would have wanted out of the meeting, but if things took a dark turn, sure. Whack him.
I remember the last scene at Sack's house. There was a dragon there, and Tony just ran away like a coward who got an arrow in the knee.
The Shah and Dr. Milfi !! 😅
The whole meeting at John's house was undignified.
I'm personally in the camp that John would've allowed Phil to kill Tony. Not because he hates Tony or that there's an inherent advantage to get rid of him, but this is Johnny right when he's considered to be at his worst. At this point he's insanely paranoid, trigger happy, and full of bloodlust. It wouldn't surprise me if his first response to a problem now is just to kill it, and that's how he viewed Tony.
The Shah of Iran was one hell of a good actor
Jr taught Tony well, “ Come heavy, or don’t come at all “….
The reference to 136 in IQ is that Tony B had that score in catholic school. Something that Tony S pulled as a way of saying "How gullible do you think I am?" and Johnny Sack quickly came up with a better option, that Tony would agree too.
But then again, you see numerous examples in this show of how Tony and Johnny and other characters go from advanced plans of whacking to cancelling the plans in the blink of an eye, such as the aborted Carmine Sr.-hit.
So I think that the quick conversation between Johnny and Tony is a power struggle, as is many other conversations, and the outcome could have been either way in the end.
Tony B's IQ was much higher, something like 157 which is basically genius territory. 136 is a normal intelligent person like a doctor or engineer (or waste management consultant).
@@NotQuiteFirst The IQ for Blundetto was stated as 136, where you get the 157 figure from, I don't know. Anything above 120 is in the lower reaches of high intelligence. 136 is not 'a normal intelligent person', it's way above the average range.. Tony S is only slightly above average intelligence, and his academic record is unexceptional (Ok that doesn't mean everything, but..) Most of his supposed wisdom is simply parroting the intellectuals in his orbit, like Melfi. With Chase, the mangling of language and malapropisms (Tony S, Little Carmine) tends to indicate the character is a bit of an idiot.
@@intelligencelimited2708 I got 157 from the scene in which Tony talks about Blundetto's IQ.
I didn't mean it's normal to have an IQ of 136, I meant a "normal" intelligent person as opposed to a genius level intelligent person.
Edit: I just looked up the scene, Blundetto actually has an IQ of 158, I misremembered it (which is understandable as my IQ is a paltry 136)
@@NotQuiteFirst You put a lot of stock into that number?
@@intelligencelimited2708 why, you gonna tell me it's bullshit?
The ending with the reverse intro would've been pretty dope.
It’s crazy how Johnny Sack character was on the show since season 1, at their “felice anniversario a Tony y Carmela” scene😂…
John would know T was thinking this way and expected the reaction. Just theatre and a GF reference.
I think Johnny Sac was using the Blundetto situation to get some payback for what Ralph Cifaretto said about his wife. I would say the way he reponds to Tonys IQ remark was a good indication of his real position and showed he was ready to put buisiness first. For a price of course.
Jonny was irritated tony put him in a difficult position with phil but I don't think he actually wanted to whack tony they've been friends for a long time and I do think that meant something to him if he really wanted tony dead he would've gave the order when he was the boss
No....Tony and Johnny really seemed to respect each other...more so than others
Great content, love to hear other perspectives
I love your consistent (mis)use of "dysentery" to mean "dissent". I don't know if it's intentional, but it always amuses me.
Johnny Sack sees Tony the same way he sees Paulie and Ralph - Tony is just the boss so tactically he has to treat him as such.
Seems like most gangsters are killed by their own friends.
Exactly how it went and goes!!
your best friend takes you into a room and you don't walk out
"Phil's 47yr old kid brother," 🤣🤣🤣
When John was trying to talk Tony in to wacking Carmine he was planning on wacking Tony and putting Paulie in as boss. If you remember it will make sense.
Paulie wasn’t boss material though
@@antoniobaugh707 naw he wasn't. He would of been Johns puppet. John was clever!
Lmao i just saw this scene yesterday on yt and here you are breaking it down i had thought the same thing as the title was johhny really trying to get him wacked
I believe Johnny was trying to wack Tony.
He was ready to kill over his wife’s girth😂
Love your channel and humour that only the true fans would get. Keep it up!
Johnny Sack loved Tony like a brother-in-law.
Great video, but I never thought this was an issue. Regardless, it gets our thoughts further into there...always enjoyable!
I think Tony just realised that there's no point in arguing the point, he has a high enough IQ to know how to allay Tony's fears.
Nice of you to give the Shah of Iran his acting credits!
"A level headed pragmatism and mutual understanding..." What a wonderful world this would be.
8:23 nice godfather 2 reference
Great video as ever!
wow you really think Deeply about these videos
impressive ! Good job man 👍
0:28
“Dr. Milfy” 😭😭😭😭😭😭
Yo the original ending where it's the theme in reverse is crazy 🤯
I always thought he said come to my house because it showed profound respect and to put Tony at ease because the home is a sacred place and mob guys would never do that, especially where their family sleeps….which is why he mentioned Ginny to further put Tony to relax and shows respect at the same time.
The Mohammad Reza Pahlavi joke literally made me lol.
Vito had a makings of a Varsity Glow Stick
Ok fine, I’ll say it. The varsity athlete jokes are worn the fuck out.
I think John should have taken the $1 million