Parents of Oxford Shooting Suspect Appear in Court
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- Опубликовано: 6 янв 2022
- A judge has denied a reduction in the $500,000 bond for James and Jennifer Crumbley, the parents of Oxford High School shooting suspect Ethan Crumbley. The parents are charged with four counts of involuntary manslaughter, each punishable by up to 15 years in prison.
Defense attorneys you may want to tell your clients to lose the attitude and refrain from shaking their head - how arrogant!
I agree Melanie
The defense attorneys are an embarrassment. They look incredibly unprofessional. It's hard to watch.
@Jennifer one of those two attorneys represented Larry Nasser during some of that huge mess, she must like that type of case, for who knows what reason.
When the dad smirked, I internally screamed.
Their mimed incredulity just makes them look as obtuse as the evidence shows them to be. And the defense attorneys are joining in.
The parents are shaking their heads the entire time just goes to show how delusional and how negligent they are in their sons life
I was going to say the same, gross 🙄🙄
Yeah. Keep shaking your heads. Idiot parents award of all time.
Totally disrespectful parents,(imo). Narcissists believe no laws/rules, apply to them. :/ They failed their son, by not getting him professional help, LONG before he shot his fellow students. Furthermore, his own mother bought him (a minor), the gun he used to kill his classmates. Mom & dad DID break MI Law, by providing their minor (and psychotic), son, a firearm. Parents (and son), were rightly charged and are all where they belong, (imho).
@@anastacie40 ~ These trump supporters (as per mother’s fawning open letter to trump) believed that everyday rules and expectations are designed to curtail their right-wing LIBERTY or FREEDOM. The head-shaking, bizarre smiling, and repeated attempts to express shock or disbelief when their behavior was reviewed shows the degree of contempt they have for societal norms.
Exactly! That head shaking was driving me insane, not Crumbley insane but insane non the less.
This whole case really is an example of 'Every kid deserves a parent, not every person deserves a kid"
You hit the nail on the head!
💯
True
this is a a perfect statement
You need a license to go fishing but any dipshit can be a parent.
Wow. The prosecution just steamrolled that request. Good work.
They will have lots of time to shake their heads and laugh when they go to prison.
I couldn't believe they were laughing about any of this. This needs to be brought up on trial.
My heart goes out to those poor families who lost their child that day. They deserve justice.
Mine also. Those children's family is the absolute prayers and support.
But the more info that comes out. And still believe this child needs to be locked up. I starting to realize in a way he to is a victim just of a different kind and that crime is a direct that crime is a result of the crime committed to him.... This is the most disturbing school shooting since Sandy Hook. My son was the same age and grade as the babies we lost there so for my Sandy Hook but oxford has over taken that.
How do gun people think we're not suppose to be afraid. How many have to die due to people with GUNS how are going to stop this with out taking the guns and changing rediculous gun laws.... There nothing stopping people. But it's not the guns fault???? How long can we survive with this refusal of COMMON SENCE.
Going after the parents isn't gonna give them Justice. I feel sorry for the families that lost children I'm sure those kids bullied that guy but no reason for him to shoot them up. That being said I Don't think going after the parents is gonna do anything
Justice is a myth. The poor get reamed and the rich walk away. I wish these parents weren't so stupid to give a kid that they knew was emotionally disturbed a gun.
The Crumbleys were also failed by the negligent staff at Oxford high. They trusted trained professional Hopkins who tragically misjudged the situation assuming Ethan was suicidal and only recommended therapy within 48 hrs. No one ever said Ethan was a threat to others. Mr. Hopkins had the opportunity to save Ethan from himself, but he failed him as well.
@@nikolatesla5553 the parents did not give him a gun, and they had no idea Ethan was not well. Ethan was not given free access to any weapons. Those are false accusations from the corrupt prosecution who is only charging the parents to use them as scape goats for Oxford High. From day 1 McDonald has been working the media hard trashing these parents to steer focus and anger towards them and away from negligent Oxford High officials.
I don't know how much attention is given to this but I'm trying to figure out why you would purchase a gun for a minor who is telling you they are seeing ghosts and demons.
Exactly!
Only a neglectful and unfit parent would do something like that.
They even hired lawyer for theirselves you can tell they abuse and tortured Ethan, lol.
the math worksheet/exhibit 78(?87?) even says, under the gun illustration (diagonal to the doodle of someone bleeding out):
"the thoughts won't stop
help me"
A kid saying a house is haunted or that they saw a ghost is not uncommon, nor a sign of being disturbed. That's ridiculous.
Parents need to stay in jail
The parents lawyers are just as pathetic. Where is the professionalism? Why are you shaking your head at facts?
The defense attorney's voice is like nails on a chalkboard. And they really are doing their clients a disservice by not telling them how bad they're making themselves look by shaking their heads and laughing.
The judge needs to tell the parents to stop motioning with their heads etc. they would not get away with that in court and should not be any different here!
Eh, let them do it. Provides physical doucmention of them not showing any capability of guilt or remorse for their actions, and also shows they have no respect towards the judge. They are basically digging their own grave.
That’s rly messed up they drained their sons bank accounts and sold everything
These parents are not parents. They enabled there son and my opinion, they did not care. They need to remain in jail
yes, of course. but so many others knew his objective also, like social media and youtube. they should be held accountable also
I agree with u on that one
They’d def have bond and be at home if not for going immediately on the run & caught a mile from Canada. They traded one night in jail for this
We wouldn't have let them in anyway in Canada border guards would have known something is up and with Covid it's even harder.
@@lightningjelly Oh definitely not there was no way they were going to get into Canada, they just weren't smart enough to realize it. Plus we have extradition with Canada
@@shaheedharun445 It was all over our news to plus we get CNN here and channels from Michigan we knew who these scum bags where right away. lol
must have been the vodka and orange juice
@@Dave-fo1cb I bet they would trade a few screwdrivers now for their freedom lol
I do not understand why the parents smiling and shaking their heads buying a gun for their son who needed help all they will do for him is give him a deadly weapon, these parents is guilty of murder
James Crumbley's clownish facial expressions are the highlight of every one of these hearings. Pure comedy gold.
That's the face of a selfish narcissist who has problems with controlling his temper and she also seems arrogant/narcissistic. They're in total denial that they did anything wrong/criminal
If I was James I would want a separate trial. Seems like "mom" is a lot of the issue
It wouldn’t surprise me if she throws him under the bus & blames him during testimony 😬
I wonder if she would shake her head if that attorney started calling out the names of the kids her son killed? Would she shake her head and deny the names of these kids who are now dead?
The fact that Ethan wrote in his journal that he had to find the gun that his dad hid from him indicates that he knew it was wrong to use the gun on his own accord for nefarious purposes. He knew right from wrong.
Yeah. The voice in his head thing is just a defense used because he’s trying to plead insanity. The kid is going away forever. The question is what happens to his parents
If that’s true the why are the parents being charged. The media said they gave him the gun and let him have it whenever he wanted including at school. Did the media lie again?
@@DizzleDog That’s not what I got from it when the demons texts were brought up. I thought that he pretended to see demons and ghosts whenever he was home alone so he could grab his mother’s attention. Cause it’s of convenience that he wasn’t texting about demons when he was at school. Perhaps he thought this was a way for him to get his mom to put aside everything else she was doing and to focus more on her damn son in hopes that she would spend more time with him instead of leaving him alone at home all the time. But I don’t believe he was genuinely hallucinating like everybody else thinks. I think he just wanted his mom’s attention that he desperately lacked and was tired of being home alone as a result. There’s a 5 year old video of him playing hide and seek with a friend, he located his friend, and jokingly pretended that he was a demon and that friend was also playing along, acting like he was a demon and playfully attacking Ethan. I think he knows demons aren’t actually real.
Dodgers 2020 the parents are charged as a result of messed up family negligence. Something liberal families and conservative families suffer from
this!
They started doing sign language the minute that the judge and attys went private...she was really animated the head shaking and not caring that they are not to communicate the officer went and stood behind her.. no rules apply to them that's exactly what she thinks
For their safety. If I were the parents of the poor kids I don't know what I would do. They lost their kids forever. And they sit up there shaking their heads
Not just shaking their heads but laughing as well. Disgusting.
Terrible negligent parents. They were planning on abandoning their son and fleeing. They even drained their sons bank account. These people are monsters.
They robbed their own sons bank account ….. left him to rot and ran PITIFUL !!!!
They look shocked at the facts about their son THEY NEVER PAID ATTENTION 😡😢
Stole their sons money, hired attorneys and their son had a public defender. Stellar parents!
You don't know that. A retainer is easily 20k for a criminal attorney. They could've been scrambling, albeit incorrectly, to find him an attorney, in lie of a public defender.
Proves they are crap parents who did nothing to intervene or help their son who was obviously suffering.
Not a flight risk? How can the defense explain the emptying of their sons account, 4 new cell phones, 6 grand in cash, moving vehicle to hide plate # and asking someone else to grab groceries for them and a mattress for a art warehouse in Detroit?
Exactly wtf how is that not running
Don’t forget asking someone to bring them vodka and juice! No they weren’t running just mini vaca🤦♀️
Kudos to the prosecuting attorney's in this case. They have done their due diligence since day 1. If the parents fear for their lives s stated by their attorneys, then the safest place for them is to remain in jail
Jail is not for safety. Jail is for those who deserve it. From day 1 Karen McDonald has been working the media hard trashing these parents to steer focus and anger towards them and away from negligent Oxford High officials. These parents had already hired lawyers prior to falsely being accused of fugitives by corrupt Karen McDonald. She intentionally ignored calls from both the parents and their lawyers, then called the press to accuse them of fugitives. She's corrupt and using the parents as scape goats for negligent Oxford High staff.
Seems like: they were tired of dealing with him, knew what he was capable of, knew his thoughts, so they handed him a gun so the "trash could take itself out"...they thought they'd be scott-free of him, but never considered they would be held responsible...
Thats what I was thinking too.
I don’t think they were that careless but just did what he wanted and would make him happy so they didn’t have to deal with the hard issues. They definitely weren’t heartbroken when they knew he’d be the jails problem for the rest of his life and they were off the hook. That is until he pulled them into this mess now they resent him. If they cared even a little they would have put the money from his bank account on his commissary books and not stole the money for themselves
If they didn’t run, they would be at home on bond. Smh
Wow! That was an overwhelming account… they don’t even seem to care about the deceased four children and their grieving families. They are so callous.
The parents keep shaking their heads like the prosecutor is lying. Just because they didn't notice doesn't mean those things didn't happen. They just weren't paying attention.
Prosecutors lie all the time!!
@@jlorde8838 just like those darned defense attorneys, eh? lol!!
That idiot chosed to give a unstable kid a gun and the mom text him saying don't do it.they did not care and they are both careless parents
They paid attention, they just didn't care.
@@ceedee8953 well, we don't know that, but they sure are neglectful. imagine getting a lawyer for yourself, but not for your young son. they are disgraceful.
Horrible. It almost makes you feel sorry for the son, as awful as what he did is. They didn't even hire a lawyer for him, just for themselves.
There is SO MUCH evil all around this... For many people... There weren't or aren't any good things going to come out of all of this.
social media allowed this kids posts and nobody reported it and they allowed it to stay online.. More need to be held accountable .
I know what you're saying and I acknowledge you said "almost"and I'm not trying to just be argumentative, but I cannot feel sorry for him. Not even almost.
He didn't shoot one person and then stop. He didn't just kill one person and then stop. He killed 4 people, aiming for chest/neck/head areas and continued to shoot 7 more people. He had to have reloaded at least once as several people were shot multiple times. He clearly enjoyed the horrific act he was committing enough to continue to shoot others over and over. That's unforgivable regardless of his own personal circumstances.
It is also a "correlation isn't causation" matter. Thousands, perhaps even millions of kids with parents just as bad or even much worse than the shooter, who also have access to guns and have mental health issues themselves still do not choose to wantonly execute others in the all too common "school shooting" scenario.
Is the shooter's home life unfortunate? Sure. Does he deserve my pity for how he chose to lash out at others that never harmed him and violently murder them in their school for simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time? Nope.
Millions of kids play violent video games but don't go out and kill others compared to those that do. Millions of kids have bad parents but also don't harm others as a result. This is an issue with the shooter being a psychopath that clearly wanted to destroy the lives of others and in the process destroyed his own humanity. The person the shooter may have been prior to killing 4 other kids no longer exists.
I hope he never leaves prison regardless of being 15. He shouldn't ever have the freedom he stole from the 4 kids he violently murdered not to mention the 7 people he injured and left so many families shattered forever. The parents of the murdered children will forever bear the pain to which his own potential pain from his poor home life would pale in comparison.
Those parents and relatives of the murdered kids will spend the rest of their lives in the symbolic prison the shooter put them in, therefore he should never leave the literal prison society will put him in.
@@nonfungiblemushroom I agree with much of what you say, however yes to a small extent I feel bad for him. There is evil resident within... There is nothing you can say that will ever make evil good. There are others responsible for his care, beyond the parents. Just the school staff reading such statements from him PRIOR like: " please help me". He literally asked for help from others... And received none. NOBODY has benefitted from this entire situation.
@@W8RIT1 I appreciate what you're saying but "evil" is just a man-made concept, and a poor one at that. It's a scapegoat for the actions of others, a way to explain the inexplicable, to comprehend the unthinkable. It's not a real thing, it's just a story we tell ourselves to make temporary sense of an often senseless reality.
I don't even subscribe to the notion of true *free will" because it's been demonstrated that so many of our actions are governed and determined by the vast complexities of our brains, neurotransmitters, and other such activity which we still don't fully grasp. Therefore I do not hate the shooter. But I do not feel sorry for him either. Nor do I hate or feel sorry for the Ted Bundys and the Jack the Rippers of the world. Perhaps they do not truly have a choice but they seem to revel in their actions nonetheless and once any of us crosses that line of harming, and especially killing others, it's like we have killed ourselves too. We've killed our humanity so there's no one left to hate or feel sorry for. They're just an untrustworthy shell of their former self. They're dead, we just have to wait for their body to catch up and prevent it from harming anyone else.
I also don't buy that the shooter was really asking for help but rather trying to "foreshadow" his crime to make it more memorable, to make it more chilling to look back on the warning signs, to feel like he was teasing others with this fleeting opportunity to intervene in a tragedy he was orchestrating that he had no intention of being stopped. These fragile, egomaniacal psychopaths act out their crimes for attention and a sense of fame, even if it's based in infamy. They get off on knowing so many will finally know their name by destroying the lives of others and artificially rendering themselves to feel less insignificant than they apparently do.
I don't feel any more or less sorry for this shooter than I do for psychopaths like Elliot Rodger for example, who lashed out at society, stabbing and shooting his many victims, brutally killing them because he believed he was given an unfair deal and because no females would give him the attention, especially sexual attention, he craved but could not obtain because he was clearly an unlikable person and chose not to work on himself, to create a better person within but rather to destroy others because it was easier.
I focus my pity and empathy on the actual victims of the world. Those that never chose to harm others and had their lives affected, especially permanently, by those that didn't have the strength to resist the primitive human temptation to be so reactionary and try to make the lives of others so much worse than their's so that their lives seem better by comparison.
This is a very smart judge. Had she given them a reduced bond they would’ve took off and nobody would’ve found them. As the parents shaking their heads let’s just see how fast the heads are gonna roll when they end up getting convicted for four counts of involuntary manslaughter each, let’s see how fast the heads roll then
Gonna be hard to convict on manslaughter IMO. negligence yes but they may get off due to prosecutor overcharging them
@@caps201 this is what stupid people on the internet are ignoring. They basically want their pound of flesh and don't care if the parents actually broke the laws they're being accused of. Prosecutor is obviously an Activist looking at reelection so she KNOWINGLY overcharged , while banking on an emotional verdict instead of one reached by fact and law. Who knows, this whole show might be a ploy to fabricate outrage from the public when the parents WALK in an attempt to rally to get the law changed by manipulating emotions
@@J_h_420 agreed if the parents are guilty of involuntary manslaughter then the school officials should also be charged as they are as culpable as the parents then. They never checked his bag and never involved the school cop in the matter. Government protects government so the school officials won’t be charged Blonde prosecutor has an axe to grind and / or trying to make a name for herself.
I think the crumbley’s attorneys are more delusional than their clients. The have their 15 minutes of fame. In the background they are probably laughing. I wonder if they would let the Crumbleys babysit their kids. Such great parents.
They rep’d that olympic doctor Nader, bad people is their business I guess
Have they showed even an inking of sadness for the victims of their murderer son? They were having a hideaway sleepover while four peoples families were coping with the worst possible day of their lives.
How are they shaking their head and make facial expressions?!? Don’t they know they have EVERYTHING from bank accounts statement and phone records!🤦🏻♀️
Watching the parents makes my blood boil
As hard as the defense attorney defended the parents what she said about them not knowing he had a gun wasn’t true! There was a text from the mother, “ Lol you just can’t get caught!”
I want to see the whole context of that conversation. The parents look guilty AF. It’s hard to believe the mother thought he was gonna shoot someone else and said that
That was about him looking up ammunition online while in school not about him bringing the gun to school.
@@brianmiller915 like that’s any better???
@@YaGirlBianca not better, I think he’s just making a point that the text message referenced didn’t suggest they knew he had the gun.
Not only that they posted on Facebook that this was their son's gun...a Christmas present for a very disturbed young man.....all the signs were there they just ignored them. 100% avoidable if the parents had done their job.
The parents just don’t care. Their body language shows it. Extremely careless
Absolutely TERRIBLE parents!
How sad the whole event is,there was help available why,why didn't these parents ask for it?? The school offered help but instead the parents refused even to take him home that day.All parents better wake up because they will be held accountable for their kids actions.GET HELP IF YOU NEED IT!
Then the by the dumb logic if the parents are held accountable then the school and who ever knew should be too for doing nothing
U have to be incredibly disengaged from ur son’s life to miss just how troubled & unhappy Ethan was!! U also have to be incredibly disengaged not take seriously the issues brought to u by the ppl who spend half their time w/ur son… teachers!!
The parents' clueless reactions are priceless
The fact that his parents weren't aware of his creepy, torturous behavior is negligence on their part. I'd say that's almost as bad as is they knew and did nothing.
They are totally the worst parents ever 👿
They are definitely a flight risk they have already try!!!!!
More likely they knew and did nothing.
They were aware, they just didn't care until it started affecting them.
I am not sure if ZOOM is a good platform for court cases LOL. Does the defense team NOT watch the replay of these things. They need to if they don’t and advise their clients. Every time they appear, not just this time, they act incredulous and in disbelief. If I were a parent of the children shot, I would be upset and frankly even more angry with the behavior of these parents. They show no remorse.
One of the defense attorneys was smirking during the hearing, so I don't think they particularly care.
Of course all of this information is new to them they were neglectful parents. Absolutely no idea as to what was going on in their home or with their son
It's interesting that the video was cut. Judge and attorneys had a private conversation in a break out room to discuss a protective order, during which time the defendants were communicating with each other through the video feeds.
Eathan and the children killed did not stand a chance! How could parents be so cold. Prosecutors have been working hard.
Ethan abused animals before turning to mass murder. He's no better than the two monsters who created him.
@@debbieknight8901 I do agree. I wonder if his parents took action when they saw that he was abusing animals and texting about seeing demons/ghosts if it would’ve prevented this tragedy. I can’t wrap my head around these parents sticking their head in the sand. They had a dozen red flags 🚩 I have a feeling that the husband will turn against the Mom because the way the affidavit is written. It seems like the prosecutor is aiming more of the blame on the mom. The affair added is strategic.
Let's see how you look after another month in jail
I think the parent's attire look just perfect on them !
And just think...
You'll get to wear someone else's underwear FOR THE NEXT 40 YEARS !
Oh, I almost forgot. ENJOY YOUR STAY !
You are going to be Very disappointed and probably cry like a bitch when they get acquitted. DA overcharged on purpose to get easily manipulated sheep like you riled up when she loses the case she knows is almost impossible to prove in this instance. But who cares about actually getting them put behind bars as long as you people can feel like you got your pound of flesh right? 🙄
This entire situation is sad and tragic. And I have sympathy and compassion for EVERYONE involved.
You have sympathy to the parents who left their child high and dry and tried to run from the law? SMH
Ditto. They are in an impossible situation.
I feel nothing for these parents. They clearly do not care, and when it came down to it, they even chose to bail on their child. They are trash human beings
Cant wait until they and their spawn are locked up for good.
Then you're going to be waiting forever as far as the parents. They are not guilty of the crimes being alleged but that doesn't matter to emotional and ignorant of how the courts and law work people.
The Crumbleys would be great friends with Chris Watts and Casey Anthony
You sound so stupid two different situations 🙄 the parents did nothing wrong!! Wait until the evidence comes out ! The parents didn't kill anyone!!
And the laundries!
@@tatianalonghurst5916 yikes. I hope you don’t have any kids😂
@@Alina-ci3fb I do have kids !!! I pray you don't have any!!
@@Alina-ci3fb yikes you're ignorant 😬
Jen keeps shaking her head and making faces of disgust like it's gonna help her case at all.
@ 13:26, their lawyers act like they don't even know what's going on....what evidence the prosecution has...their defense strategy definitely will be laughable...
Motion to reduce bail.....DENIED
The Mother knew about him being "troubled" even back in/on November 11, 2016 when she wrote a letter on that date to the President of the United States, stating "her son was troubled", that was 5 years 18 days ago, up until the day it all happened. Be nice to know if she ever made any effort on getting her son any treatment after that letter she clearly told that she had acknowledged of on behalf of her child. He would of only been 10 years old when she wrote it.
Glad their bail will stay high.
If they were getting threats they could have called the police but they didn’t instead they ran took money 💴 and changed vehicles to hide so that makes them accountable for there actions, the prosecutor said it perfectly and they have the evidence to show and lots of it, shake your heads because u two are going to burn and your son too so hang on when u are behind bars for years too come!,,,,,,,,
These parents just want to throw their son under the bus to save themselves. They have no regard for him at all.
You are developing that option based solely on the prosecutors spin. They can't refute anything she says right now. Televising this gives her a unfair advantage.
@@jlorde8838 I’m basing it on their own behaviours.
@@jlorde8838 You must be blind and illiterate to not see the parents culpability in all of this...the mom should get life, she is a true piece of work!!!
@Judy totally agree! The dad's former baby mama in Florida, with whom he has an 18-year old son, told a tv station here in the Detroit area Jennifer IS a piece of work. Controls the dad totally, according to her, and IMO the dad looks like a weak person, just from observation and what's already been revealed. Agree with others here, they don't seem to care about the son, just their own nasty selves, especially her. Preliminary exam Feb. 8 will reveal much more detail.
@10:42, why did James laugh and smile and Karen stating those facts…is that smile because her facts are true….
Perhaps there is another perspective. 2 sides to every story and the truth usually lies in the middle.
@@W8RIT1 there’s no perspective, four children are dead from their negligence.
@@rmag2416 you have stated an illogical idea. You contradict yourself.
@@W8RIT1 you’re correct. That statement is something someone would say in regards to a break up, not when four children are dead. To correct myself, there is no “ perspective” that “ ..lies in the middle” . Let’s listen to the facts on this one.
@@rmag2416 that's correct... Because they may very well have proven facts/evidence to be admitted with plausible reasoning. So in many ways it may not seem to be in their favor, I, and it sounds like yourself as well, will wait to see what facts come out.
Which, BTW, could very well prove my point is so doing.
What's sad is the parents think that the "we didn't know" defense is a good one 🤔. To me, it shows how neglectful they were and in essence proves the prosecutors, or part, of their case/point.....
Commendations to the teacher... But I'm still waiting for the county prosecutor to throw the book at the school staff that saw the pictures and read his very disturbing words... WITHOUT notifying the school resource officer, searching his backpack or locker. Those school staff individuals are just as culpable as the parents, just in different ways. The school staff failed as well. So I want equal litigation and prosecution towards them as the parents. But mum is the word right now...well maybe Fieger will open a few lips.
I agree! The school needs to be accountable for their part too..
Theory- I have a feeling the Crumbleys were bullies with the school staff. Against their better judgment they gave in let Ethan go back to class. Who in the heck would see his journal and not call the police, and search his backpack and locker. They probably wanted to go home and get drunk.
@@Zzx75 that still doesn't excuse the school staff for their actions. If the parents were leaving him at school, the staff could have had him sit in the office instead of returning to class...or notify CPS.
I don't care about the decision of the parents... The school still had a course of action or two they could have done, but didn't.
Great decision by the judge!!
I hope this case becomes a lesson to all the parents who support their kids bad habits and continue to cover up for their actions and blame the world for their behavior. Step up and do your job be a PARENT or pay the consequences for their actions!!
the CRAAAAAZY part about this whole thing. is how this dude is basically STATING ALL the negligence, and they are jus SITTING there with NO EMOTIONS
.... brooo that's CRAAAAAZY.. when I was younger.. if I did this.. and my parents were jailed... they wouldn't be able to continue to look at the monitor they would be sooooo hurt
They are delusional it's proves they are horrible parents when they shaking there heads
I still stand by my thought that they were refusing to work with police so they decided to press charges and really chalk them up so they could seize all the evidence whilst they’re in jail.
I agree. these two bow to no authority except themselves, the cops played their game and won.
Why are they shaking their heads?? Why would the prosecutors be making this stuff up??
Because prosecutors ALWAYS try to paint the worst imaginable picture and will twist or misrepresent facts to do it, in order to make you look MORE guilty. I can guarantee you the situations didn't play out the way the DA wants people to believe but who cares right? As long the mob gets their pound of flesh 🙄
Throw the whole family in jail and throw away the key. That boy took the lives of innocent children and enjoyed it. The parents didn't care what he did as long as he didn't get caught. Lives were stolen and the peace of mind of many. That's not something you just get to walk away from.
Another purely emotional fictional story creating clown using feelings over facts of law. Ur nothing more than a mob out for blood and don't care about law. What a joke
Who wouldn't need a drink?
I'm gonna wait for more evidence. At first I agreed with the prosecution, "these parents are partially at fault and should be held accountable", BUT now there's evidence that the parents kept the gun locked up and hidden from their troubled mentally disturbed child. So, I don't know what to think anymore, I'm waiting on all the evidence before forming an opinion.
And Ethan also said he going to try to find where dad hid it at or sneak and try to find where his dad hid it at. If it was his or giving to him he wouldn’t of said that for sure. Not saying parents innocent but all this will be is another public case that goes wrong
@@chiayzegarden1587 I agree.
I've been saying that the DA is an Activist grand standing clown and is using this tragedy as political grandstanding for upcoming reelection. She knows she's overcharging the parents in hopes that she can get an emotionally based guilty verdict from the jury instead of one based on fact. And when /if that fails, she can play the hero even though she knew from the start it was just a farce and had slim chance of happening. They are guilty of negligence/neglect/abuse at the most, not inv. Manslaughter which has a high bar AS IT SHOULD . It's crazy to me that people don't see this or know that it happens in the "justice" system.
Sociopaths are created by horrible parents
The Crumbly's have faces of narcissistic sociopaths. They can't even remain properly seated and they're even allowed to communicate with disrespectful gestures/body language/facial expressions which should be contempt of court. They absolutely feel like they're 100% innocent and in denial of failing Ethan and their roles as parents
They are getting everything they deserve for not being a responsible parent!! If you’re going to own a gun you need to be very responsible, and if you’re a parent who owns a gun that gun needs to be put in a gun safe with no ammo also with a trigger lock on it , the safe should be fingerprint locked so there would be no way a child or anyone else could get to the gun. People need to be more responsible and aware of a gun because there’s to much killings and accident killings happening because of irresponsible gun owners
Lol… we are not mad at you… you shouldn’t have gotten caught!!!!!!
Yes, yes… we all know a confused look and shaking of the head means NOT guilty, works all the time in court.. keep up the good work, best parents on the planet.
She was talking about using Google.
@@jlorde8838 these people don't care about reality. In their minds they're guilty no matter what of whatever crime they see fit. Nothing but clowns in the comments lying about the facts
These parents had no idea how badly their son needed help !!!
Why do defense attorneys always seem so shady...lol
DC knew that they weren't going to win the argument today or ever..
Wow 😮 Horrible parenting unbelievable
Go Karen McDonald!!!! The attorneys for the Crumbleys better be prepared!!! Your clients are going downnnnnnn……
Two "professional" women both shaking their heads along with the parents that are guilty does not look good.
Chazzy HALDERSON'S Mom was a "helicopter mom". She still didn't know what he had been up to for years! Neither did dad, BART HALDERSON or his gf of two years.
will the trials be televised / what are the chances of their (ethan & these two) trials being televised?
90%
I’m praying they are
the trial may be televised on court TV
Sorry but being a absent parent isn’t against the law. Most lawyers that I have listened to regarding the parents and their charges think that they will not be able to prove all the elements of the crimes they’ve been charged with. The only problem for them is that if this does go to trial, the jury pool has been tainted and I don’t think they can get a fair trial unless they get a change of venue. I think the judge should drop the charges before an indictment. It’s not a crime to back your car in, or to take $ from a minor child’s bank account you are listed on, or to not check your child’s search history, plus they do not have a law specifying the locking up of a gun in the state their home is in. They had also not been charged yet so it wasn’t a crime not to provide all phone numbers to police. Saying that Ethan was “hallucinating” by texting his mom saying that he was hearing noises and thinks someone is in the home, can also be explained by saying he’s a kid and afraid to be home alone or that he’s joking like my daughter does. I think he was a very disturbed kid and I think his parents were bad parents, not deserving of kids, and woefully ignorant when it came to recognizing those red flags, but that’s also not the standard for being held criminally negligent.
Well said. 💯 agree there. This will blow up in the blonde prosecutors face in the end no matter how many interviews and press conferences she does to try and make a name for herself.
I still don’t get why Chris and Roberta laundrie were not arrested when it seemed like they had evidence either with the van, mustang, camp weekend, phone records… something ..? Why do a lot of ppl think they were helping their son ?
And then there’s Aiden Fucci, 14, that stabbed his female classmate more than 100 times to death.. he is on the HOUSE cameras at 3 AM and apparently an inside camera caught a glimpse of his mother possible scrubbing out a blood stain off his jeans before washing them… why isn’t she in jail ? Lack of evidence? Somehow it won’t hold up or .. honestly confusing
This aged well 🥴
Traumatic incident all around, loss of innocent young lives, a parent can be the best parent and take all precaution. Fill a home with love and guidence yet still will never stop an person in fight flight mode. Witnessed similar with another family kid hid many things and was emotionally unbalanced brutally murdered a grown man. Prayers for all families evolved and especially this young boy that get helps that he needs, and the survivors.Mental and emotional instability leads to many traumatic and horrific events and sadly help isn't always available.
If more parents would be held accountable for their children, this world would be a much better place.
Parents need to be parents not best friends with the kid. They should have raised the bond to 1 million
Wow they actually think they did nothing wrong🤯
Congrats to the defense attorneys on getting the opening statement read out to the public once again.
So the shadow master is now a judge??
I almost feel bad for the 15 yr old...he desperately needed help...I'm sorry for what he did...God rest their souls....shame shame on his parents
If found guilty what charges do they face?
What? You don't face charges AFTER trial moron 🤦they are on trial for manslaughter which they DID NOT commit if u actually heard the facts of the case presented so far and knew the law.
Very sad government, The course should not have to go through this ,they should already been convicted
It's fascinating to watch the parents reactions as the prosecution lays out the case. When their expressions are the same but particularly when they are different. These people aren't even on the same page about what literally happened when they talk about the school meeting. She's nodding her head and he's shaking his. About the same facts.
Increase bond to $5M/parent unless more harmful information is learned.
I’m a very compassionate person and I rarely judge people. But I have no sympathy whatsoever for these parents. Their ignorance and neglect is inexcusable!!!!!! These people are the lowest of the low.
The attorney says, prosecution is trying to create conflict between them, and states “your honor there are no conflicts 🤔
why are the parents in jail?
Parents ARE responsible for their minor child! They were negligent when they left the school that day! 4 innocent children were murdered.
Haha they aren’t going anywhere !
Prosecutors don’t look happy
What a stupid remark. Are they supposed to b jumping for joy? It's all about optics in court
how much u wanna bet the parents gonna try to plea deal out and throw their own son entirely under the bus while doing so lolololol