@@benjaminfranklin4760 Idk if they have it for apple devices but just search sponsorblock for youtube if you are on windows and youtube revanced if you are on android. sponsorblock is a third party, open source youtube add-on where community members find in video sponsor segments and automatically skip them when they start. youtube revanced has the same functionality but it also is free youtube premium
The ad transition was smooth but felt strange like I was being tricked into thinking Marques was genuinely trying to share something. I think a obvious delineation would be better.
I think it's somewhat of a frustrating trend to make the transition between content and ad as seamless and imperceivable as possible. Instead of segmenting it off with a more obvious intro, it's clearly designed to extend the flow of the video content. Sure, the green bar is there, but it's definitely made to disappear into the background. They could have made it far more obvious. I suspect it's a mandate from the sponsors after realising that the more obvious highlighting of the ad segment was skipped over too often. I get it, ads allow Marques to do his thing. But it leaves somewhat of an iffy aftertaste seeing one of the major creators with a track record for integrity and level-headedness giving in to these types of not-fully-but-approaching scummy techniques.
The Sony XM4 where really ahead of their time. 4 years later, and they are still the gold standard everything is compared to. That’s an eternity in flagship consumer electronics time.
Pretty much. I bought my own XM4 2 years ago just before the XM5 were released and apparently I dodged a bullet because the XM5 are not that substantial of an upgrade.
They’re so uncomfortable, though, at least for me. I can’t wear them longer than a couple of hours without having to take a break. Compared to Bose which I could keep on all day long & even forget I was wearing them.
Shady? He just did the best ad transition and read I’ve ever heard. I’d much rather someone do that then give me the whole “this is just an honest review, I mean I’m getting the product free and they sponsored this video, but just being honest, this is an awesome product”
YOU HAD 1 JOB is exactly right. I’ve been a SONOS user since their inception and always wanted headphones to add to my system,. Was so excited to hear of these. And then discovered that they don’t do THE 1 THING I would want from a SONOS headphone - connect to my system as if they were another speaker. THEY HAD 1 JOB.
Clearly Sonos didn’t make this with Sonos user only in mind. They’re trying to grab non Sonos users with a traditional Bluetooth headphones. Just use your speakers at home 😂
@@emeraldos336 Still have the XM3s, and they are amazing. Probably gonna keep them until they die on me, because I love them and theres no real reason to upgrade.
inflation goes crazy. (yes even accounting for inflation some are still more expensive but the prices haven't changed as high as they seem to be at a glance)
@@thatguy_bridger "smooth" in this case means "deceptive"; it's literally just a ploy from advertisers to get you to listen to their shitty ad without skipping
There was no verbal sponsorship disclosure in the mattress ad, it doesn’t follow FTC requirements even if it’s implied with the discount code and green bar
No question. I have the Bose and Sonys, as well as the Sennheisers. The Sennheisers are the ones I use most (best sound, best controls, best app, close enough noise cancelling).
I appreciate the green loading bar for the sponsor, but you really need to make it more clear that its a sponsor segment. People (including me) often just listen to your videos, so we don’t see the bar.
Great review as always! I have to say that the transition to the ad was really strange. It felt like Marques was gonna prove a point by comparing something related to the review to these mattresses and then suddenly I realized that it was just an ad. Keep up the otherwise really good work!
about 5 years too late from sonos. They were ahead of everyone in speakers and I remember them saying they had no plans for a pair of headphones. They are still up there in the speaker category, but that was their chance to get ahead of the curve and be people's 1 stop shop for all things audio.
I wish you would recognize Sennheiser as a brand tbh... The Sennheiser Momentum 4 Wireless easily clear the competition sound wise for me. Maybe not in other departsments but still definitely worth talking about
Yeah I saw someone say that the Sony XM4 and the Airpods Max are the Gold standard of Headphones...That they are for Audio professionals. They have no idea how bad those Headphones actually are.
Just a quick note: I noticed you subtly touched on it, but it might be worth explicitly mentioning that these speakers only pair with the Sonos ARC at the moment. They don't work with any other soundbars in the Sonos family. Also, it's essential to be aware that the Sonos application is currently experiencing some critical issues. It's broken, and several features that Sonos users have relied on for years have been removed. I recommend doing thorough research on this, as this information is somewhat buried but can be found on the Sonos subreddit.
App is not broken lol. It works fine. Some features are temporarily missing and will be added in the span of days like less than a month after launch due to a file corruption issue at launch which sucks. But the features missing have nothing to do with the headphones lol. It’s like changing your Sonos alarms and Sonos sleep timer and using your personal music files for some streaming scenarios. These are not core features
@@santiagor1436The app is incredibly busted. Their is complaint after complaint on their app pages, forums, subreddit, etc about not just how bad the app. Not only is the app bad, but many have also had individual speakers, partial and even entire systems unusable.
@@santiagor1436 These might be not your core features. The way Sonos handled NAS playback was a major reason for me to join the Sonos club 10 years ago. This feature is now severly broken. I got into some trouble when my child's favourite audio books did not show up and had to find another solution. Even if you are not affected now, it shows where Sonos priorities are. If the missing features can be added again in less than a month, why did they not wait with the launch for another month? The way Sonos handles this is a warning for everyone and it surely will happen again.
Hardware is good but the App is rubbish and always has been - ridiculous amount of updates ( seems likeevery time I want to use it !) and still haven’t fixed the connectivity issues and drop outs.
It will save so much time. It's so hard to see that little red R in my XM5s at night. And my prescription glasses are tinted which makes it even worse. It also seems like you will be able to feel the Sonos label on the shell of the right speaker as well!
@@or1on89 xm5 are good but little expensive airpod max below average for price i have listened to both in person Sonos sux at price and design no knowledge about sound quality that's why i didn't see the point
please stop saying "Maybe I'm nitpicking.' these are US$450 headphones, there should be nothing to pick nits about when you can get something like the Sony WH-1000XM4's for $300 USD or less and in my opinion and many others', those are the best premium noise cancelling over ear headphones on the market.
I get that these aren't perfect, or check every box that people were hoping that Sonos would check. And they are more expensive than I'd like. But your summary of who might want to buy them hits me dead on. Just replaced a (not very good) LG soundbar with a Sonos Arc, and my wife goes to bed quite a bit earlier than I do. I _can_ listen to TV programming on my AirPod Pros, but only when the source is my Apple TV. I have a decent collection of physical media, and I've been working my way through a bunch of 4K UHD movies via Blu-ray player, and those can only go full volume over the Arc, not my AirPods. The Ace seems like it will work really nicely for me. Thanks!
Don't TVs already have Bluetooth, tho? I can connect my XM4s to my Sony TV over BT. That allows me to watch blu rays and play games with my headphones.
the use of the Sonos headphones is the quick switch between a Sonos soundbar and the headphones. however, I think a lot of people use this feature for years. you can connect bluetooth headphones to most tvs and most people use a Apple TV with their Sonos bar, so they already can switch from arc to AirPods in seconds.
Discovered this channel when I was deciding which iPhone I should upgrade to. Decided to stay because of the sheer quality and just interesting videos this channel has to offer!
@@aceuni-rider6921iphones are a decent upgrade. all my android phones broke very fast until i got my iphone 11. i have dropped it many many times and ive never had to repair it. i take decent photos with it and the ecosystem is unmatched.
Sennheiser is also a great brand for premium headphones. Around the same price point as the Sony but I find the build quality a little nicer and sound quality a little cleaner. Been using my current pair for over 5 years
@@rousseau327 bs. If it's an ads that have to clearly indicate it verbally or text, REGARDLESS of whether it is obvious or not. Regulations is regulations, stop acting like if I don't want to see them skip it. How would I know it's an ads before wasting my 10s watching the shitty bed only to realise it's an none notice ads on the shitty bed
'You've probably heard of Sonos. They've been making these premium soundbars years, their most popular product' MKBHD doing Sonos' longstanding and well established home audio history dirty 👀
he is not an audiophile , if he would hear the ANC Focal Bathy's he would throw those Sony's in the trashcan. Sad that those "tech youtubers" don't have a slight audiophile taste
Most people dont know theres the Bowers PX8, Bang Olufsen H95, Focal Bathys, Mark Levinson 5909, Master Dynamic MW75 etc these guys are $700+ so $450 is expensive but def not the most for wireless headphones lol
Their main customer draw for these is other Sonos owners, such as myself. I personally won't buy these but if AirPods Max don't get an upgrade, these are an option I am considering. But to Marques's point, these don't have Wi-Fi (would've been game changing) so why are these $450 when the competition is available for less, that's obviously his opinion but I can understand the argument he's making. In reality, Sonos is looking for profit.
@@alexfirth21why would you get these instead of the original AirPods Max? Marques literally says these sound muddier than the Max. The Max are still clearly better than this crap despite being, what, 3 years old now?
@@Kids11111 Well sound is subjective, besides he’s a RUclipsr, the best person who tell you whether the headphones sound good or not is yourself. Keep reaching fanboy.
Just a suggestion Marques, maybe have an affordable episode once a month or so. Love your work, at times would love your opinion on tech that's affordable by the masses. Like the wave pro headphones.
As a person that owns a lot of Sonos speakers. I can say that I made that mistake once and never again. Apps, not being able to Chromecast, and turning the into a massive group not as good. They really do charge a lot for what they deliver
I would say that the Sennheiser Momentum 4 are better than the Sonys now. When they were released they had some problems, but now they're over all a better experience.
@@thelarry383 actually I got the Sony M5 at first, tested it, and its unfortunately trash, the sound is muffled , bass is so bad, I tried everything and finished by returning it and getting the Momentum, the difference is day and night. I'm not a casual listener
I have followed your channel for quite sometime and find it very enjoyable. Is it okay to NOT have a comment at all? lol. Keep on doing what you do, you already have me as your fan.
That ad segment was real shady. I understand the progress bar is there but wasn't ad segments supposed to be upfront? I was listening to the review and was really confused (not to mention people with vision impairments might not even see it). And, even if it's defendable by any standard, it's wasn't necessary. You already seem to have a thriving business Marques, saying "A brief message from our sponsor" is not going to generate losses...or if it does, at least it won't trick people.
I've tested the Sony XM5 vs Sennheiser Momentum 4 and gotta say the Momentums are in a class of their own for sound quality. Dunno why everyone overlooks them. The Sony's sound like thick mud in comparison. The Momentums have a 60 hour battery life which is also next level.
I tried many but went for the B&O H95. They are so well built and the sound is just the best I have ever heard. For some daily music I have Airpods Pro but in the train, on a flight I use the H95 and just enjoy.
@@ilovedagreenday if u r the watcher of his channel Just a basic thing about tech What are other materials u can make transistors of except silicon Just a very basic question every tech guys knows
Just got some Sony XM4s back in January for my birthday(Shout out to the wife 💋) They are unbelievable. I don't comprehend how any headphone could be better at noise canceling..
I love the shots of Markees looking thoughtful and pensive while wearing the headphones. You can just imagine him thinking, "But I DID have breakfast this morning."
I work at one of the major players in this space. Think of it like this, increased isolation gives you a better signal-to-noise ratio, giving a better sound. Yeah, the headphone drivers aren't reference grade, but neither is your environment. Most people are using these out-and-about, so focusing on reducing environmental noise really does make for a better experience.
It's just diminishing returns for sound quality. They can invest 50% more money to make the sound 1% better while knowing that 1% of customers will notice or care. The market for people who will notice the difference in sound is very small and why the highest end headphones get so expensive. Whereas for noise cancellation, most people will notice that and pick one headphone over another for it.
We can all agree noise canceling is important for sound quality. However, I wish audiophile brands got more recognition. In the end, consumers need to educate themselves about sound quality or companies won't have an incentive to deliver.
Headphones have been sounding good since the 90s, sound quality is not really a driving point anymore for headphones above like $100. Unless you're a really critical listener, which obviously most consumers arent
@@fantasytky28 I mean I don't care about ads lol, the business has to run somehow. I just like the Drew Gooden method, like yeah, this is clearly an ad and I'm just gonna make it as entertaining as I can. Very very few people get it right.
@@Archetapp we all know business have to run. But man not in this bs way? If it's a sponsor or ads, then MENTION IT CLEARLY ITS AN ADS, i don't care how seamless the channel wants it to be, but LET US CLEARLY KNOW ITS AN ADS I thought RUclips have regulations to specific ads clearly? Or do the Channrl found some loopholes to bypass this.
@@fantasytky28 No, there aren't loopholes -- this is literally just illegal. Even if he were to put "sponsored by X" on the bottom of the screen, it would still be illegal. It's not even morally gray, in fact
Seamless switch, I actually use it more often than I would have expected. I have an Apple TV 4k then pair my air pods pro 2 ( or any BT headphones for that matter) to them for more of an immersive experience while watching a movie, show, etc.
The multiple shots at the Sonos app were gold. Need an episode just on the tire fire that they’ve lit with the latest Sonos app overhaul. Compete disaster. First time in over 15 years of owning Sonos products that I’m seriously considering making a change away form their platform of products.
@@Rohank05i doesn’t affect me personally bc I didn’t use many of the things in the app but you dont realize how many FEATURES have been removed bc of the app update. there are literal functionalities for the speakers that no longer exist.
I sprung for an upgrade from XM4 -> Momentum 4s. Not a night and day difference but I feel that the Momentum line as well as Sennheiser in general is really slept on in this conversation.
@@sennheiser I love the low end! Doesn’t mess with the rest of the mix, but it just packs a punch! They have been my preference over AirPods and XM4 for the last year.
@@itsjustbusiness1989 I mean sure, but all the other headphones that look like it cost close to what this costs. I have no idea if these are better than the others however
If you have a bluetooth TV, AppleTV, you can also pair and switch audio output. BT connectivity today is common enough that the only special feature isn't special per se. I think this is a case where it's hard for Sonos to stand out in a market that already has many quality products at a fair price. IMO this is a really good thing because we're spoiled for excellent choice and the features that make these products good is now a know quantity.
What’s so wrong with the 450 dollar price tag? Airpods max is priced at 550 dollar with a most useless case in the world, no power button to turn off the power and only support AAC codec but still got positive reviews.
One of those youtube channel you have to watch every video even though 99% of the things you ain't gonna buy .
True
Real
More like 100 percent
look if ihave the money to buy these
i still don't
proabaly will stick to wires for headphones
i get wireless for earbuds
He only covers premium stuff. Which is not what all can buy. But okay I guess.
Bless the soul of whoever decided to put that progress bar on the in-video ad. I will forever remember you
Always forget that those ads are a thing, so used to them auto skipping with a Sponsorblock add-on.
@@ronshapper what’s a sponsor block ad on. How does it work and where can I get it
@@benjaminfranklin4760 Idk if they have it for apple devices but just search sponsorblock for youtube if you are on windows and youtube revanced if you are on android. sponsorblock is a third party, open source youtube add-on where community members find in video sponsor segments and automatically skip them when they start. youtube revanced has the same functionality but it also is free youtube premium
@@benjaminfranklin4760 bro just google it
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The mattress ad had me thinking I clicked on the wrong video suddenly lol
Yeah the transition was nearly non-existent :p
I’m like do the headphones work with the mattress?! 😅
SponsorBlock
What ad?!
I was wondering where tf did this mattress ad come from. 😂 everyone is selling something.
Thought I had RUclips premium, now I have a bed and no headphones.
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😂😂😂
The ad transition was smooth but felt strange like I was being tricked into thinking Marques was genuinely trying to share something. I think a obvious delineation would be better.
yeah it was pretty weird
agree
He's got the green bar at the bottom, maybe it should be made thicker?
He was genuinely trying to share something. It’s called a native ad. That’s the point…
I think it's somewhat of a frustrating trend to make the transition between content and ad as seamless and imperceivable as possible. Instead of segmenting it off with a more obvious intro, it's clearly designed to extend the flow of the video content. Sure, the green bar is there, but it's definitely made to disappear into the background. They could have made it far more obvious. I suspect it's a mandate from the sponsors after realising that the more obvious highlighting of the ad segment was skipped over too often.
I get it, ads allow Marques to do his thing. But it leaves somewhat of an iffy aftertaste seeing one of the major creators with a track record for integrity and level-headedness giving in to these types of not-fully-but-approaching scummy techniques.
Came for the headphones. Ended up getting sold a bed?
Sleep tight!
LOL great!
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@@roberttranceedm you're a legend bro
The Sony XM4 where really ahead of their time. 4 years later, and they are still the gold standard everything is compared to. That’s an eternity in flagship consumer electronics time.
Pretty much. I bought my own XM4 2 years ago just before the XM5 were released and apparently I dodged a bullet because the XM5 are not that substantial of an upgrade.
Got them around 3 years ago still they are pretty good cause of them I always have pleasant flight experience
They’re so uncomfortable, though, at least for me. I can’t wear them longer than a couple of hours without having to take a break. Compared to Bose which I could keep on all day long & even forget I was wearing them.
AirPods Max is the gold standard everything is compared to for Bluetooth headphones
How do you feel about xm5?
That seamless switch into an ad for aid sleep was a little shady.
lol I actually liked it, he explained the product well, I would totally buy it if money was no object
That's what those in the industry call "good writing".
I was waiting for him to explain how he used the headphones while sleeping for like the first third of the ad, before I noticed the progress bar
Shady? He just did the best ad transition and read I’ve ever heard. I’d much rather someone do that then give me the whole “this is just an honest review, I mean I’m getting the product free and they sponsored this video, but just being honest, this is an awesome product”
@@turtleinashirtand they had a progress bar on the bottom for when the ad is finished
For $450 that better have angels singing into my ears
More like demons screaming into your ears.
@@suprememaster1951😂
Ours do that
@@sennheiser Yoo it'd the company!!!
😂😂😂😂
Look up wavy shams
That's cheap compared to some other headphones
Or very expensive compared to most of them XD
Apple’s are $550
Xm5 anyday over any headphones
At that point ur paying for the brand nobody’s paying 450 for Sonos lol
Marques is on a roll with flaming companies right now😂
I wouldn't really say he "flamed" them but yeah I get your point
Marques 👍🏼
The enshitification of tech companies is real
*these companies are on a role with the mediocrity
Compaties are on a roll making mediocre overpriced stuff right now 😂
the way he snuck that 8 sleep plug was devious, I was like "you connected your 8 sleep to the Sonos...tf??" lolol
YOU HAD 1 JOB is exactly right. I’ve been a SONOS user since their inception and always wanted headphones to add to my system,. Was so excited to hear of these. And then discovered that they don’t do THE 1 THING I would want from a SONOS headphone - connect to my system as if they were another speaker. THEY HAD 1 JOB.
Yep same here and I e given up on Sonos now. Especially since the new app so sucks
Lol. I’m not a tech guy but I’m curious as to why you would want your headphones to connect to the wifi 🤣🤣🤣
@@kwameasare5679 so they can be connected to your Sonos sound system which is also connected to the wi-fi
Clearly Sonos didn’t make this with Sonos user only in mind. They’re trying to grab non Sonos users with a traditional Bluetooth headphones. Just use your speakers at home 😂
Same. Couldn't have said it better.
Remember the old days when the best noise cancelling headphones peaked at $250 MSRP! Man, tech prices today are high!!
They still are - just buy the Sony XM5s or go for the even cheaper XM4s
Or Momentum 4’s if you want the best sounding set
@@emeraldos336 XM4s are way better imo. Way more bass.
@@emeraldos336 Still have the XM3s, and they are amazing. Probably gonna keep them until they die on me, because I love them and theres no real reason to upgrade.
inflation goes crazy. (yes even accounting for inflation some are still more expensive but the prices haven't changed as high as they seem to be at a glance)
Lmao the mattress ad (without even admitting it’s an ad?) caught me so off guard please don’t sell out man
It was smooth, most people should do that. I thought he got off track for a minute😂
it's not even a matress. It's just a frame with some cooling and smart features for more than $4000, lol
@@thatguy_bridger "smooth" in this case means "deceptive"; it's literally just a ploy from advertisers to get you to listen to their shitty ad without skipping
There was no verbal sponsorship disclosure in the mattress ad, it doesn’t follow FTC requirements even if it’s implied with the discount code and green bar
@@GeekProdigyGuy just like most of his videos about apple and samsung
SENNY Momentum 4's are "the rest"?! Absolutely worth a mention.
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No question. I have the Bose and Sonys, as well as the Sennheisers. The Sennheisers are the ones I use most (best sound, best controls, best app, close enough noise cancelling).
@@jpii8468 🙏🙏💙💙
I appreciate the green loading bar for the sponsor, but you really need to make it more clear that its a sponsor segment. People (including me) often just listen to your videos, so we don’t see the bar.
get sponsor block it'll save you a lot of time.
He suddenly started talking about a mattress, isn’t that obvious enough?😂
Why? You figured it out just fine.
People complain about everything...
@@cionm7077 it's literally illegal -- maybe he's just looking out for him
Did you just say “you’re welcome” after we have to listen to an eight sleep commercial 😂
He smoothly transitioned to the damn commercial that got me like wtf !!! 😂.
LOL love it!
I didn't listen to it, it had a convenient progress bar so just jumped to the end of it.
Isnt it illegal to NOT disclose an ad?
@@Beer_Dad1975 smart man. I usually don't mind to sit through it but then to say you're welcome is a bit too much for me
Very rare MKBHD product placement 😂😂
Great review as always! I have to say that the transition to the ad was really strange. It felt like Marques was gonna prove a point by comparing something related to the review to these mattresses and then suddenly I realized that it was just an ad. Keep up the otherwise really good work!
Ads shouldn't be seamless, they should be stark aand noticeable and verbally acknowledged
about 5 years too late from sonos. They were ahead of everyone in speakers and I remember them saying they had no plans for a pair of headphones. They are still up there in the speaker category, but that was their chance to get ahead of the curve and be people's 1 stop shop for all things audio.
I wish you would recognize Sennheiser as a brand tbh... The Sennheiser Momentum 4 Wireless easily clear the competition sound wise for me. Maybe not in other departsments but still definitely worth talking about
Yeah I saw someone say that the Sony XM4 and the Airpods Max are the Gold standard of Headphones...That they are for Audio professionals. They have no idea how bad those Headphones actually are.
Momentum4 are by far the best headphones rn in music quality
This guy have no knowledge about headphones
I agree. Bought some HD 558's almost 20 years ago and they're still going strong and sound great. Probably my best purchase ever.
I just saw a comment made by Sennheiser under this video
Right? It completely eclipses the bose and sony offerings in sound quality, but I guess noise cancellation is all people care about now.
The transition from headphones to a tech mattress review got me…for a second thought I was watching a totally different video!
i absolutely LOVE the design. i think it’s the best looking pair of premium headphones out there easily
Just a quick note: I noticed you subtly touched on it, but it might be worth explicitly mentioning that these speakers only pair with the Sonos ARC at the moment. They don't work with any other soundbars in the Sonos family. Also, it's essential to be aware that the Sonos application is currently experiencing some critical issues. It's broken, and several features that Sonos users have relied on for years have been removed. I recommend doing thorough research on this, as this information is somewhat buried but can be found on the Sonos subreddit.
App is not broken lol. It works fine. Some features are temporarily missing and will be added in the span of days like less than a month after launch due to a file corruption issue at launch which sucks. But the features missing have nothing to do with the headphones lol. It’s like changing your Sonos alarms and Sonos sleep timer and using your personal music files for some streaming scenarios. These are not core features
@@santiagor1436The app is incredibly busted. Their is complaint after complaint on their app pages, forums, subreddit, etc about not just how bad the app. Not only is the app bad, but many have also had individual speakers, partial and even entire systems unusable.
@@santiagor1436 These might be not your core features. The way Sonos handled NAS playback was a major reason for me to join the Sonos club 10 years ago. This feature is now severly broken. I got into some trouble when my child's favourite audio books did not show up and had to find another solution.
Even if you are not affected now, it shows where Sonos priorities are. If the missing features can be added again in less than a month, why did they not wait with the launch for another month? The way Sonos handles this is a warning for everyone and it surely will happen again.
@@santiagor1436 As a Sonos user it’s pretty bad.
Hardware is good but the App is rubbish and always has been - ridiculous amount of updates ( seems likeevery time I want to use it !) and still haven’t fixed the connectivity issues and drop outs.
The different colour coding for the right and left headphone is a really nice, albeit small, feature.
It will save so much time. It's so hard to see that little red R in my XM5s at night. And my prescription glasses are tinted which makes it even worse. It also seems like you will be able to feel the Sonos label on the shell of the right speaker as well!
You’re a hero for bringing up the Sonos app several times! 🙏🏾 I hope they work on it. I was happy it got a refresh but the cost.. 😢
Dang that intro gets me every time. it’s so clean!!!
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@@alphaa2010 don't beg keep doing hard work
Its like if the airpod max and sony wh-1000xm5 had a baby
airpod max is arse compared to wired and they are expensive AF
xm5 are awesome at saleprice
@@Ghost-pb4ts Not really the point the original poster was making...
@@Ghost-pb4ts Everything is worse wireless. That isn't the point though is it. Its about convenience.
@@markbirtchnell2249 whne charging 500$
they need to at least compete with 300$ wired headphones
@@or1on89 xm5 are good
but little expensive
airpod max below average for price
i have listened to both in person
Sonos sux at price and design
no knowledge about sound quality
that's why i didn't see the point
please stop saying "Maybe I'm nitpicking.' these are US$450 headphones, there should be nothing to pick nits about when you can get something like the Sony WH-1000XM4's for $300 USD or less and in my opinion and many others', those are the best premium noise cancelling over ear headphones on the market.
IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE HAD A HEADPHONES REVIEW. I'M ALL FOR IT
That's nice, dear. Take a seat.
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I get that these aren't perfect, or check every box that people were hoping that Sonos would check. And they are more expensive than I'd like.
But your summary of who might want to buy them hits me dead on. Just replaced a (not very good) LG soundbar with a Sonos Arc, and my wife goes to bed quite a bit earlier than I do. I _can_ listen to TV programming on my AirPod Pros, but only when the source is my Apple TV. I have a decent collection of physical media, and I've been working my way through a bunch of 4K UHD movies via Blu-ray player, and those can only go full volume over the Arc, not my AirPods. The Ace seems like it will work really nicely for me. Thanks!
Don't TVs already have Bluetooth, tho? I can connect my XM4s to my Sony TV over BT. That allows me to watch blu rays and play games with my headphones.
@@dautolovernot all tvs have Bluetooth like that from what I have seen.
the use of the Sonos headphones is the quick switch between a Sonos soundbar and the headphones. however, I think a lot of people use this feature for years. you can connect bluetooth headphones to most tvs and most people use a Apple TV with their Sonos bar, so they already can switch from arc to AirPods in seconds.
Discovered this channel when I was deciding which iPhone I should upgrade to. Decided to stay because of the sheer quality and just interesting videos this channel has to offer!
iPhones aren't worth upgrading to. A Pixel is a much better idea if you like taking pictures.
@@aceuni-rider6921iphones are a decent upgrade. all my android phones broke very fast until i got my iphone 11. i have dropped it many many times and ive never had to repair it. i take decent photos with it and the ecosystem is unmatched.
There should still be an audio cue of an ad read for those who are visually impaired or only listening as they’re driving.
Can't wait for a particular Aussie iPod blokes to review these headphones
who?
Dankmus! Wait, no...
Dank pods!
Sennheiser is also a great brand for premium headphones. Around the same price point as the Sony but I find the build quality a little nicer and sound quality a little cleaner. Been using my current pair for over 5 years
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that 1.5 minute sleeper ad (pun unintended but welcomed) is killing me. A little more slimy than I was prepared for, with this channel
Always appreciate an honest review
at makin this comment 14 mins ago you hardly even watched the video
Would have appreciated it more if not for the sketchy bs bed ads that no one care
@@fantasytky28 what's sketchy about it? It's clearly an ad. If you don't need a new bed, ignore it.
@@rousseau327 bs. If it's an ads that have to clearly indicate it verbally or text, REGARDLESS of whether it is obvious or not.
Regulations is regulations, stop acting like if I don't want to see them skip it.
How would I know it's an ads before wasting my 10s watching the shitty bed only to realise it's an none notice ads on the shitty bed
@@fantasytky28 lmao ok buddy, bring a class action to Marques then. Pretty heated about something that “no one cares” about
'You've probably heard of Sonos. They've been making these premium soundbars years, their most popular product'
MKBHD doing Sonos' longstanding and well established home audio history dirty 👀
Yeah I’d argue their multi room speaker system is their biggest product category
he is not an audiophile , if he would hear the ANC Focal Bathy's he would throw those Sony's in the trashcan. Sad that those "tech youtubers" don't have a slight audiophile taste
Most people don't have very intricate home audio setups. Their soundbars are an all-in-one solution that tons of people buy.
@@andrewchronlmao bringing up 700 dollar headphones and comparing them to some at half the price is hilarious. I'd hope they are better.
@@andrewchron that’s a weird take but ok… like why not just go watch an audiophile RUclipsr?
Most people dont know theres the Bowers PX8, Bang Olufsen H95, Focal Bathys, Mark Levinson 5909, Master Dynamic MW75 etc these guys are $700+ so $450 is expensive but def not the most for wireless headphones lol
Indeed. But I guess this is a consumer tech channel, rather than an audiophile channel. I have the PX8s and am very happy with them.
Their main customer draw for these is other Sonos owners, such as myself. I personally won't buy these but if AirPods Max don't get an upgrade, these are an option I am considering. But to Marques's point, these don't have Wi-Fi (would've been game changing) so why are these $450 when the competition is available for less, that's obviously his opinion but I can understand the argument he's making. In reality, Sonos is looking for profit.
@@alexfirth21why would you get these instead of the original AirPods Max? Marques literally says these sound muddier than the Max. The Max are still clearly better than this crap despite being, what, 3 years old now?
"The most" ain't the bar here. The Sonos are Bose-territory, not audiophile-land. And for that pricetag that's a strong no.
@@Kids11111 Well sound is subjective, besides he’s a RUclipsr, the best person who tell you whether the headphones sound good or not is yourself. Keep reaching fanboy.
My brain as soon as I see the title:
“You’re not gonna bankrupt Sonos, right?”
*awkward silence*
“Right????”
1:05 bro did the rock look. Y’all should edit it with a vine boom😂😂😂
I liked that you used a short circuit video in the intro. I bet LTT is happy . :)
Got a pair of Bose noise canceling headphones 7 years ago for $250. They still work like the first day.
Yeah they just need a pair of new pads every 3-4 years😅
Just a suggestion Marques, maybe have an affordable episode once a month or so. Love your work, at times would love your opinion on tech that's affordable by the masses. Like the wave pro headphones.
The bed sponsor felt so out of place lol
As a person that owns a lot of Sonos speakers. I can say that I made that mistake once and never again. Apps, not being able to Chromecast, and turning the into a massive group not as good. They really do charge a lot for what they deliver
Same I stopped wasting money getting any of them speakers after the first even ones and guess what the ex has them now lol
I would say that the Sennheiser Momentum 4 are better than the Sonys now. When they were released they had some problems, but now they're over all a better experience.
We'll keep updating them, too
Hey guys, let’s talk about these headphones. I really like mattresses, in fact, I’ve been getting a really good night’s sleep lately
As someone who was gifted Sonos speakers for my house, I’ve considered these. So glad you did this review!
If they integrated into the ecosystem they make sense otherwise they are just an overpriced Bluetooth headphone
I appreciate the love for Logic still with his new song on the intro
Try the Sennheiser momentum 4, I think you will love it
finally someone talks about Sennheiser, I don't understand how youtubers recommend Sony's the sound is trash, love my Sennheiser momentum 4
The Sennheisers sound amazing, no clue why he doesn’t give them props!
@@ramiraouagi You can love/prefer your sennheisers all you want but that doesn't make the sound on the Sony's "trash"
@@thelarry383 actually I got the Sony M5 at first, tested it, and its unfortunately trash, the sound is muffled , bass is so bad, I tried everything and finished by returning it and getting the Momentum, the difference is day and night. I'm not a casual listener
I just bought some. They sound amazing
I have followed your channel for quite sometime and find it very enjoyable. Is it okay to NOT have a comment at all? lol.
Keep on doing what you do, you already have me as your fan.
I honestly don't know why people are complaining about the ad, I actually think the ad was cool, if I could buy it, I'd buy it.
“Extremely neutered” is something I never thought I’d hear while describing an app 😂
Trust me, us long-time Sonos users hate the new app.
They screwed up the latest version of the app. It went from close to 5 stars to 1.7 stars in a month.
That ad segment was real shady. I understand the progress bar is there but wasn't ad segments supposed to be upfront? I was listening to the review and was really confused (not to mention people with vision impairments might not even see it).
And, even if it's defendable by any standard, it's wasn't necessary. You already seem to have a thriving business Marques, saying "A brief message from our sponsor" is not going to generate losses...or if it does, at least it won't trick people.
Let’s wait for the IKEA x SONOS version 😅
I've tested the Sony XM5 vs Sennheiser Momentum 4 and gotta say the Momentums are in a class of their own for sound quality. Dunno why everyone overlooks them. The Sony's sound like thick mud in comparison. The Momentums have a 60 hour battery life which is also next level.
7:50 Bro is Rolling to ads smoother than lunis now😂
Mkbhd taking Sonos down with this one 🔥🔥🔥
6:16 bro was really listening to j Cole 🎉
I tried many but went for the B&O H95. They are so well built and the sound is just the best I have ever heard. For some daily music I have Airpods Pro but in the train, on a flight I use the H95 and just enjoy.
U had one job… to review headphones, not sell me a bed
Your honesty as a large youtube reviewer is sorely needed Marques and Co. H
Keep it up guys
lol.
You are the best tech guy on RUclips
Bro reviewed MKBHD
He is a reviewer not a tech guy btw
@@Noname12........641 kinda the same thing btw
@@ilovedagreendayhis reviews aren’t very technical. It’s more like an everyday guy reviewing stuff
@@ilovedagreenday if u r the watcher of his channel
Just a basic thing about tech
What are other materials u can make transistors of except silicon
Just a very basic question every tech guys knows
Just got some Sony XM4s back in January for my birthday(Shout out to the wife 💋) They are unbelievable. I don't comprehend how any headphone could be better at noise canceling..
I love the shots of Markees looking thoughtful and pensive while wearing the headphones. You can just imagine him thinking, "But I DID have breakfast this morning."
He's thinking, " I cannot wait to get my Airpod Max Pro's back on."
Funny how y’all are complaining about the price but ok with buying AirPods Max which is more expensive
I don’t like that now headphone manufacturers are not pursuing better sound, but are trying to figure out how to remove sound more effectively.
I work at one of the major players in this space. Think of it like this, increased isolation gives you a better signal-to-noise ratio, giving a better sound. Yeah, the headphone drivers aren't reference grade, but neither is your environment. Most people are using these out-and-about, so focusing on reducing environmental noise really does make for a better experience.
It's just diminishing returns for sound quality. They can invest 50% more money to make the sound 1% better while knowing that 1% of customers will notice or care. The market for people who will notice the difference in sound is very small and why the highest end headphones get so expensive.
Whereas for noise cancellation, most people will notice that and pick one headphone over another for it.
Because removing sound is mostly software while better sound is mostly hardware
We can all agree noise canceling is important for sound quality. However, I wish audiophile brands got more recognition. In the end, consumers need to educate themselves about sound quality or companies won't have an incentive to deliver.
Headphones have been sounding good since the 90s, sound quality is not really a driving point anymore for headphones above like $100. Unless you're a really critical listener, which obviously most consumers arent
Being that one product designer at Sonos roaming around the HQ moaning at everyone ‘told you so…’ 😆
Hey marques you forgot to disclose the obvious matress ad
7:55 That ad transition was way too jarring lol. What the heck, haha
yea, another day with another big channel sold out
@@fantasytky28 I mean I don't care about ads lol, the business has to run somehow. I just like the Drew Gooden method, like yeah, this is clearly an ad and I'm just gonna make it as entertaining as I can. Very very few people get it right.
@@Archetapp we all know business have to run. But man not in this bs way?
If it's a sponsor or ads, then MENTION IT CLEARLY ITS AN ADS, i don't care how seamless the channel wants it to be, but LET US CLEARLY KNOW ITS AN ADS
I thought RUclips have regulations to specific ads clearly? Or do the Channrl found some loopholes to bypass this.
drew gooden method is actually peak
@@fantasytky28 No, there aren't loopholes -- this is literally just illegal. Even if he were to put "sponsored by X" on the bottom of the screen, it would still be illegal. It's not even morally gray, in fact
MHPHD is back
MkhidingadswithoutNotice is coming back
Marques: the zipper snags a lot
Sonos: I Cannot Financialy Recover From This
Never see my Bowers & Wilkins mentioned for high end headphones.
Yeah i was also expecting Bowers & Wilkins to be mentioned. And also the Master and Dynamic
B&W is not your regular headphone..it belongs to a higher class of headphones. I own one. Great sounding headphones
@@francischijioke6425 is it the same level with Bang & Olufsen?
@@charlesa1234 absolutely!
@@charlesa1234 absolutely. These are premium headphones.
Thank you for reviewing these! I was really hoping you would.
That seamless ad was pretty fckd up
I have the Sonys and the Bose (and the Sennheisers which you didn't mention). The Sennheisers are by far my go to.
Why would you want to connect them to the sonos ecosystem? Who listens to both speakers and headphones at the same time?
HUH, not mentioning Sennheiser M4 in that intro is wild.
I thought the same, I'm glad I'm not the only one. The Momentum 4 are just amazing, especially for the price
Momentum 4 has much deeper bass than the sony xm4 and xm5.
the noise cancellation is not the best but the sound quality is.
i have the sennheiser bt350 and it can't fit on my head, the headband isn't long enough
Bose in that list over the Sennheisers is crazy. Shure Aonic 50s are also right there.
@@nicolasboisvert2053 🥹
as always, Marcus, thank you for keeping it honest and real. You’re very smart and you’re very honest. I appreciate all your reviews. Thank you. 0:07
Nothing honest about the way he slipped that mattress ad in
He really isn't. Take anything RUclipsrs say with precaution and get multiple opinions as well as doing your own research
Seamless switch, I actually use it more often than I would have expected. I have an Apple TV 4k then pair my air pods pro 2 ( or any BT headphones for that matter) to them for more of an immersive experience while watching a movie, show, etc.
The multiple shots at the Sonos app were gold. Need an episode just on the tire fire that they’ve lit with the latest Sonos app overhaul. Compete disaster. First time in over 15 years of owning Sonos products that I’m seriously considering making a change away form their platform of products.
So so true, don’t do Sonos, they don’t care about customers anymore.
So u r saying just coz the app is bad u r going to switch from sonos lol😂😂
@@Rohank05i doesn’t affect me personally bc I didn’t use many of the things in the app but you dont realize how many FEATURES have been removed bc of the app update. there are literal functionalities for the speakers that no longer exist.
@@JO091715 cus having an alarm was so vital? most other stuff is being added back already.
Are you on Android? If so, you can get it back
How's the mic quality for phone calls or video calls on these?
The intro alone is more satisfying to watch than Netflix
Du habe nicht Zeit oder ein Anwalt
@@alphaa2010damn we got beggars on RUclips comments before gta 6
I sprung for an upgrade from XM4 -> Momentum 4s. Not a night and day difference but I feel that the Momentum line as well as Sennheiser in general is really slept on in this conversation.
Thank you for the purchase and vote of confidence 💙
@@sennheiser I love the low end! Doesn’t mess with the rest of the mix, but it just packs a punch! They have been my preference over AirPods and XM4 for the last year.
@@harrisbueller 💙💙💙
🎧 Amazing review, considering getting these Sonos Ace! 💸
$450 for Bluetooth headphones?? Nah I'll be sticking to my $15 onn headphones bought from Walmart lmao
BRUH these gaming companies are ridiculous. I mean, for a thing to sit in, I pay as much as s giant-ass SCREEN!
Just say you don't care about sound
@@amanasd26 I care, but I don't "$450 for Bluetooth headphones" care, especially when it looks like just any other headphone.
@@itsjustbusiness1989 I mean sure, but all the other headphones that look like it cost close to what this costs. I have no idea if these are better than the others however
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Wasn’t paying attention and was thinking this autoplayed into a mattress review ☠️
Such a disgrace from such a big channel, really throwing me off
If you have a bluetooth TV, AppleTV, you can also pair and switch audio output. BT connectivity today is common enough that the only special feature isn't special per se. I think this is a case where it's hard for Sonos to stand out in a market that already has many quality products at a fair price. IMO this is a really good thing because we're spoiled for excellent choice and the features that make these products good is now a know quantity.
Love the Logic in the intro!!
What’s so wrong with the 450 dollar price tag? Airpods max is priced at 550 dollar with a most useless case in the world, no power button to turn off the power and only support AAC codec but still got positive reviews.
He kinda explained it in the video, Sonos are very similar to Sony’s and Bose’s, and those are $200 cheaper.
@@RENX5 The Sony
WH-1000XM5 are listed at $399, sales and discounts notwithstanding.
@@garolstipock List prices are a joke always
Is that a Northern Lights Deskpad at 10:04? Very sneaky Marques...
44ever in the intro and Crocodile tearz playing on his phone. Marques is stealing my spotify.
that song and the sfx in the beginning of the video is straight fire
Your perspective of tech is always on point
marques is in his villian ark rn 😂
Everyone sleeps on Sennheiser, but Momentum 4 sound quality is
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ayyyyy 🙏🙏🙏