Definitely good points. I've been doing CrossFit for the first time the past four months 4x week, and I notice these problems. People in the gym trying to make the fastest time sometimes cutting corners; everyone does at some point. Coming from years of gymnastics and multiple other sports, I have come to like CrossFit and definitely will stick to it (even though it's mostly lifting and cardio: there's not much gymnastics). It's the best option I have found for adults that want more out of a gym membership. I just take longer to finish a workout, so I know I actually worked out! The rest of the hoopla, I can take it or leave it, but it's nice getting to know people that you workout with.
Yes. Also, it's a great way to get into shape and stay in shape. I prefer to take my time with the barbell work though. I'm not comfortable rushing those movements for time.
Ash K then there's an issue with your coaches. If I my WOD includes cleans, and they're not done well technically I will be asked to repeat them. So they concentrate on technique rather than numbers.
when i hear people are saying " don't get me wrong. i have a lot of respect. i love..... but then immediately put it down just feel like you are so eager to sell something." i always get these people wrong.
I've heard this quote and got what it was saying but honestly I'd be scared of the person doing 10,000 kicks at one time cause they CAN DO THAT MANY AT ONE TIME 😂
@@dinoclasher4129 that's what this quote mean. No one can perfect the kick by praticising it only once... But a man who practised that particular kick many times can knock someone with ease...
someone who can do 20 kipping pull ups correctly is still gaining over someone who cannot or does not do any .. Just saying.. and they could do Id say 5 strict if they have 20 unbroken kipping ..
I did CrossFit for 3 months and dropped my body fat from 24% to 21% but then my lower back was killing me. Then I joined a conventional gym and dropped from 21% body fat to 14% in just 2 month and my back no longer hurts. So yeah, I definitely think CrossFit is not good or at least not for me, now I want to get started on calisthenics.
0kojack0 Probably had more to do with the training he was enduring. Crossfit cuts many corners in exercises where the full range of motion should be performed to produce the best results and less injury.
@@0kojack0 I agree 100 percent. You also can't expect to see results with limited training either. You need to have both a good diet and a good training program. In my opinion Cross-fit cuts many corners in certain exercises that require proper form and technique. Many people that take Cross-fit result in many injuries because they lack proper form.
Proud Indian I’m not really sure what your point is? I’ve never done a CrossFit workout in my life but im pretty confident that anyone eating right and working out doing CrossFit will end up in good shape and very fit. I’m not saying their form is good or one thing is better than another. Good nutrition and consistency will get you results however you choose to train
both form Quality and quantity are learnt in CF. sure there are prob some crap coaches out there but I can tell you there hundred who are awesome CF coaches .. plus I have been to so many Globo gyms and watched some real crap form . so lets put this into perspective .. so many dont squat to full depth full range of motion .. pull ups are not full ROM .. push ups not chest to ground or locked out at top I could go on and on about the bad form Ive seen across many non crossfit gyms ..
In calesthenix maybe, but in CrossFit not. You also don’t go to a sprinter and tell him that his movement is wrong, because a nother move would be more worthy
yeah i just wanted to comment this, hes "kipping" pullups ar emuch harder then the people in crossfit doing them lol, i probably cant even do them like that yet
i like calisthenics because it's fun. i dont have to do a billion reps, work out on a machine, or push myself super duper hard every single time. i can actually enjoy myself and learn how to move my body. best of all, i know that calisthenics makes my mind and body BETTER. i use it as therapy when i get depressed or anxious.
@@danialezero93 Igual que eso no te detenga, proba buscar ejercicios de calistenia de diversos canales de RUclips (éste, Dominik sky, calisthenic movement, Austin Dunham, etc.) Y podrás armarte una rutina con esos ejercicios (a menos que requieran equipamiento que no haya en tu gym cercano) Espero que hayan servido mis típs (voy a un gimnasio pero siempre 100% calistenia)
This is the Chris Heria i like, Being honest and Truthful for the sake of the fitness industry but now his videos started to be more spews for more views..like the vlog business mentality take over his passion for the fitness. that's why greg docette dissed him. but i think chris heria is more bad ass than greg if he just continues this kind of truthful straight to the point fitness advice.
Chris I’m a 55 yr old guy. Who at a young age was very active and athletic. Over 30 yrs life happened. Couch potato, junk food you name it. 2 years ago I came to a cross road. I needed to decide if I was going to live a life or give up. I decided to do something about my situation but something that would last. 2 years ago I started learning about diet and nutrition. I started out at 330 lbs. and now I’m down to about 265lbs. Great progress in my journey so far but exercise is also important so I started walking. At first I could only do about 15 min but gradually worked up to regimen of about 3 or 4 miles a day. This past December I’ve implemented mild weight training and I’ve found it made a big difference. However, since prowling around RUclips I stumbled across your ThenX channel and loved it. At this time I cannot do even one pull up. I can do about 30 push ups but not with good form so I’ve started over and am committed to doing one push up with perfect form. I went onto the internet and found a couple of local parks that are set up for calisthenics. I’m going to practice the Australian pull-up and I don’t care how long it takes me to do it but now I jacked to do one good pull up with perfect form and progress from there. I’m a year out from retirement and I want to enter my new life with an overall health and wellness mindset. I wanted to thank you for your great perspective that you’ve given to me. Here we go!!!! Ed
I've been doing CrossFit for about 2 years now, and I agree with everything this dude is saying. There's too many coaches who don't train people right. Not only are these people not seeing the results they should, they're setting themselves up for some nasty injuries. Fortunately I got a great coach that stresses fundamentals above all else, and is big on progression to tougher movements. He's got degrees in sports medicine and was a trainer for about 15 years before doing crossfit. That's why I trust him. If I hadn't met him as the spouse of my wife's co-worker, I never would've set foot in a crossfit gym. I say all that to say, this guy is right about a majority of crossfitters, so if you're gonna do it, make sure you get a coach that knows his stuff.
Exactly, I'd say it very much depends on the coach. Mine also stresses form and progression over cutting corners for time. Also everyone in the gym should be holding you accountable because you're not only cheating yourself by cutting corners but you're saying with your time that you are better than everyone you beat.
It's also the same for a lot Martial Arts schools I'd say. You have a shitload of Bullshido "Masters" saying how they're this and that, and almost the totality of them have a fat gut and weigh over 300lbs... They focus on "technique" but it only really "works" if it's done in the same controlled environment demonstrated in the course. If I want to learn Martial Arts, it's cause I want to kick the other dude's ass before he kicks mine...
I do CrossFit and only do strict pullups. Also priority is always form and technique 1, proper resistance 2, and speed 3. If the only thing people have to harp on is the stupid butterfly pull-ups you're probably just another average gym bro sitting on their phone in between sets at the gym for 4 hours.
Fast reps equal no hypertrophy; which is when the actin and myosin contract in order to increase size. When you just focus on speed, you lose form, it's a compromise, would you rather do 10 good pull ups in a row or 30 non engaging exercises and lack strength just to "look" like their strong but in reality people aren't really development technique but speed.
The thing is, when you 'kip', to master kipping you have to master the timing of the leg kick. Thats kinda challenging but WAY easier than calisthenics
@@Wildwestshows The reason why its bad is because its so easy, youre getting up with momentum not with strength, crossfitters do them to get the most reps in competition, but if your goal isnt that, then dont do them.
I've never seen someone do muscle ups so easily. Carrying on a conversation while doing multiple muscle ups and his voice doesn't stop or break during the movement. It almost sounds like he recorded the video and then recorded his voice, it's so smooth.
I like how Chris does a workout while talking. He’s one of those coaches that can tell you to do 20 push-ups and you’ll do it without a fit. I hate the coaches that tell you to do 20 push-ups but they can’t even do 1.
Hi Chris I have been training in the Martial Arts all my life I prefer Technique over Quantity and I know when I see A Good Teacher Who cares about my Health and Fitness for the Future
I've been training for 3 mths (hiit training/ crossfit) and have had very little results until about 2 weeks ago when I slowed my reps down and focused on my ROM and perfecting the rep. Since then I've noticed muscle growth and definition. This vlog rings very true to me. Much respect for sharing your opinions bro
There is no translation between dead hangs and the ridiculous kipping pull ups he showed in this video. I really don't understand why someone would choose the kipping pull ups over being able to do go solid dead hangs.
Literally one of the best fitness channels out there. Not about gaining muscle as fast as you can, or trying to find the easiest way to get results. But all about discipline and doing it the right way. Props👏🏻✊🏻
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Your kipping pull up was NOT a kipping pull up, again @Officialthenx, why do you claim to have coached CrossFit when it's absolutely bullshit? Little advice, don't talk about stuff you don't know about.
Sean Foster that’s what I love about cross fit, it’s elegant, you can tell from his tummy muscles that he favours one side, I need to learn to do this to fix a hernia xx
I remember when first doing push ups and my gym buddy was hating on me for being slow and putting out too few reps. Told him i'd rather have proper form and control then look like a fish flopping on land lol. That guy doing pullups hopefully figured out how to actually work out after that.
I've been involved in Crossfit for the past 2 years - and at first this was a huge issue for some of us (for example I come from a martial arts background where form and proper technique is king). Our headcoach took our points to heart and implemented proper weightlifting classes (our WL coach is an Olympic WL athlete), functional body building w/ calisthenics by a coach who properly knows his stuff, and even yoga by a qualified instructor. During training his main goal is that our movements are properly done and not just reps for reps' sake. I count myself to be very lucky being involved with this guy as it also resonates with my fixation on proper techniques. Thanks for your channel, Chris - it's one of the best on RUclips
He makes pull ups look so easy. Incredible control. My goal is to be able to do pull ups again. After having a child I haven't been able to do any. Can't wait. Doing A pull up properly is so much more important than the amount.
Hmmm best of luck, but make sure to take it easy and let your body heal...you just pushed out a human outta you ......just eat a lot of protein ...and do alil at a time .
True Story: 20 years ago, I came across a Men's Workout magazine that promised phenomenal results with a simple basic routine where perfect execution of the exercise was prioritized over rep amounts. It only required total devotion to form and discipline in executing them perfectly and without haste. I tried it for a week. A week later, the only difference I noticed in my workouts were that they were easier, but I wasn't doing more of them. Even though I knew I could add more reps, I stuck to the plan against my natural inclination to do more. I focused on more perfection over more reps. However, my body looked amazing. It truly was the fastest way to achieve results that were more than just aesthetic. There's a saying I learned recently that seems to fit this approach; "Slow is fast." Something done perfectly as needed is always more productive than something done improperly more times. Moving forwards after that, progression was the key once you mastered the basic exercises and variety was added to expand the benefits of said workout. So Chris is 100% correct.
I am a competitive Crossfit athlete as well. You're points are very good. They apply to many people who only train as fast as possible. I believe that, to become successful in Crossfit, you must train strict strength movements about half the time. The other half can be used to practice competitive movement efficiency with a timed aspect. I believe kipping CAN be OK, but NEVER when training to get stronger. Only when practicing for competition or actual competition. I actually have a lot to say about this topic. Maybe I should make a video about it...
SP Riggs you are a wannbie (even in CF) because of your utter ignorance and bad manners, unlike David, the dude expressed himself with total respect and proved you and many other crying babies to be wrong; and he IS a comptitive crossfitter.
Buddy cross fit needs strict standards and rules why is the kipping even allowed just call it a no rep and give it to the guy actually doing the reps,also giving away certification standards just to make the sport more popular they give any idiot a trainer certification and anyone can become affiliated.Also rules need to be distinct once I saw an event where you need to strike a heavy object with a hammer and it moves on a rail,the winner of the event didn't hit much harder instead hit and dragged the object using the hammer as a trolley handle so it's really unfair.Snatches are done with bent elbows and the person muscles them into lockout position, in the 2016 Olympics Behdad Salimi snatched record breaking weight but slightly muscled the lockout most of the fans thought he did it bcos it happened so fast it was a historic moment but judges went nope this is another reason clean and press was removed from Olympics bcos it was hard to judge.I have never observed this type of judgement in crossfit, it matters bcos a competition should be fair what's the purpose if ppl are being judged differently.You can say not everyone is doing this but the instances I am giving you happened at International crossfit games on highest stages of the game.
This video should be called " the problem with bad coaching". I wasn't allowed to do anything kipping until I had at least 10 to 20 of a movement strict and unbroken. All good, I'm still going to subscribe to this channel and follow on Instagram, I respect you as an athlete.
There are numerous Crossfit types of people out there. 1) The person who is very competitive and will cut corners to be at the top (This individual gets called out, noticed, and is only cheating himself in his workouts) 2) The person who scales their workouts and never worries about where they are located on the Wodify board. This person concentrates on progressions and getting better at all movements before, during, and after WODS 3). The person who just started and is interested in learning and come out to give Crossfit a shot...generally they have an unbiased view of Crossfit and will go in because they have seen the games before 4). The competitive crossfitter. This individual has it all, can run, jump, pull up, clean and jerk and snatch more weight than most people can and is the best at ALL progressions, not just one. All of these people enjoy one thing...the comradery and push from being in a group workout. When someone finishes a WOD, you feel a sense of accomplishment. Not all Crossfit boxes care too much about form and that’s what the issue is with the persona of the sport. But if you find the right gym, they will stop you mid WOD and make sure that your form is on point. I cant tell you how many times I have been stopped mid workout to be told to tighten my shoulders, get off my toes, etc....It’s not the sport but the people who coach it. No matter what gym you go to, you will find those that cut corners to get the bar overhead and such. Ultimately, Crossfit as a whole is not in the wrong one bit. Everything has its own progression and own style. Butterfly pull-ups are not strict and therefor, a bit easier to do in multiples...I get it. Don’t compare apples and oranges.
I have been doing CrossFit for 2 and a half years. And you do make some relevant points here. It is true that some boxes will allow anyone to start doing butterfly’s and kipping ring muscle ups super early. But not all boxes. The ones with good coaches twill make members have strength before moving into kipping movements. For example at my box you need 10 STRICT good form pull ups before you can do kipping. And you need 15 before you can do butterfly’s. This DRAMATICALLY reduces chance of injury. Same thing with ring muscle ups. You need to know how to do strict before you can kip. It is not true there are no professions. The good boxes will make sure there is progression. The whole reason for kipping is to improve efficiency of the movement, to make it easier and faster for competition. Obviously kipping is useless in calisthenics because it does not build strength anywhere near as fast as strict. In CrossFit though, we still do strict training to increase strength. The only time we will do kipping is if there is a fitness test, or we are working on technique. Also some point you made is that you will never bet able to do one arm pull ups and weighted muscle ups if you only do kipping pull ups. Well for starters, CrossFitters don’t have the goal of doing one arm pull ups or weighted muscle ups, we couldn’t care less because those movements are not in our competitions. And I I said before, we train with strict strength to build muscle, and are well aware that kipping doesn’t build muscle
Why not set some ground rules in competition too, y'know to make it fair. No kipping or swinging should be allowed. Perfect form is the true measure of proper strength and efficiency in that movement.
Just wrote a comment with the same in it. Love good boxes and coaches that teach crossfit in the way it is meant to be. Sure the athletes going to the CF Games are likely to be injured but it's the same with every professional sport. Soccer players are injured every week...but people don't know about crossfit and just write comments. I could never imagine doingt butterfly pullups in the strength part
THANK YOU 🙏🏻 my girlfriend is in crossfit, and we debate this exact subject all the time. I respect crossfit i really do, i respect anyone who has the will to better themselves, but crossfit can be dangerous and over time regressive on the joints and tendons if you do not work with proper form. She sent me a video of her trainer having her do 100 straight powercleans and he never cleaned up her form when she got tired just told her to keep pushing, honestly pissed me off. That’s how you get hurt. Form > speed/reps.
I practice CrossFit for 3.5y and can say Chris is right. But is mistaken on one thing, doing kip or butterfly pull-ups doesn't mean the athlete hasn't been started with proper progressions. It is up to the coach to teach him on proper technique and movement standards. There are many athletes who do not follow the standards in order to make quick (and dirty) progress and this is completely wrong. Chris, you are awesome, respect!
@@kefkapalazzo1 he looks half, heria is a filipino surname as well. But I could be wrong, Chris hasn't said anything about his nationality anywhere other than being american.
@@m_i_g_5108 Don't get muscles confused with actual fighting skills. Bruce Lee spent his life perfecting his skills as an actual fighter, with real fight/sparring experience and knowledge of different martial arts and fighting techniques (while being strong and flexible as well). Just because you're strong and/or swole doesn't mean you can fight. You'll likely be better than the average joe, but if you go up against anyone who actually knows what they're doing, you'll get your ass handed to you.
Thanks for the video - all interesting points. Ive been doing CrossFit for around 4 years about 5 times a week - Im 52. Its worth noting a few things - from the box where I train anyway. Kipping pull ups are only one type of pull up. Before anyone kips they must be able to do 10 strict minimum. This is achieved through progressions. We have a huge focus on technique over numbers of reps. We do strict, we do negatives, we do muscle ups and progressions leading to muscle ups. Technique is king. Our sessions last an hour. At least half of this is dedicated to technique. Our classes are also small and heavily coached. Re your kipping push up - Ive never seen one of these before. We do progressions and then strict. We also bring in on a regular basis external coaches for half day sessions focused on technique for specific lifts / movements. At 52 Ive achieved my muscle ups through CrossFit and hours and hours of practice. Love and respect to all. Adrian, Scotland.
@@5.1displaysystem53 Hey Sean - sorry I missed this - I go to CrossFit East Rocks close to Dunbar - awesome place - in a forrest - look it up. How was East Kilbride?
CrossFit trainer here. I agree with your points. If you go to a CrossFit trainer certification class you are taught the charter of mechanism, consistency then load. No one should be doing kipping pullups before they can do a strict pull-up. And believe me every crossfiter wants that ring muscle up. Speed is one aspect of fitness that we are after but not all. There are plenty slow and heavy workouts and skill sessions that are not timed in a good CrossFit program. And if you watch the top athletes they are doing more and more of your advanced movements the rest of us are just getting there. There's only so much time an individual can allot to training so instead of focusing on being advanced in one specialty we choose to be good on a lot of things. As a coach, if you move perfectly I will encourage you to move faster until your form breaks a little and work at that pace to build capacity untill your form is perfect again. But I wouldn't allow your form to break down so much to the level of unsafe. Intensity is relative to the individual. The world's best gymnast can't win a strong man competition. We don't want to train one thing to the extreme at the expense of other aspects of fitness. Constantly varied. That's the key
I do CrossFit but I think a huge issue is the short time to get an L1. Most of the best coaches tend to also have more than just L1 knowledge and training, as they have prior coaching experience in sports like Weightlifting or Gymnastics. Will say props to you for knowing how to manage load and form - something many CrossFit coaches at gyms have no clue about. Most of the top athletes like Justin Medeiros and Tia Toomey are not doing the classes. Instead, they are doing full on training programs like HWPO, PRVN, and Mayhem. They spend so much time addressing their own weaknesses and enhancing their strengths.
I've been lifting (mostly powerlifting) for the past decade and can do over 20 strict pull-ups. I've benched 335 lbs and dead lifted 510 lbs. I recently joined a CrossFit gym to improve my overall fitness. I was weary at first, but after doing a lot of their classes (it's NOT just WODs) I see that the coaches want all athletes to learn the FUNDAMENTAL movements before doing, say, a kipping pull-up or muscle up. One of the coaches said "you should NOT be doing kipping pull-ups if you can't do strict pull-ups." I've been learning snatches and power cleans all while following programs that STILL INCORPORATE heavy back squats, front squats, bench press, strict overhead press, STRICT pull-ups (and pull-up progressions for those who can't do a pull-up yet), etc. I see that you are a calesthenic guru, but that is your SPECIALTY. A lot of these guys were gymnasts, cross-country runners, or powerlifters before doing CrossFit. At the gym I go to, form and technique is VERY important. I would challenge you to do one of the workouts OUTSIDE your specialty, like one involving power cleans, rowing, snatches, etc. Everyone has strengths and weaknesses. The awesome thing about CrossFit is that you are able to become a stronger and fitter version of yourself. I respect what you do, but it seems you are only focused on a few surface level aspects of CrossFit, or maybe have only come across bad versions of it. Drop by CrossFit Invictus Boston if you ever want to get a more accurate picture of what CrossFit is.
wow! I love your explanation here. I just started doing crossfit for a month now and really enjoy it. My coach is a great coach, he wont let me do kipping pull ups if i cannot do 4-5 strict pull ups. He also programs my training plan with strict pull ups as well. Thank you for your explanation here.
You don’t get it don’t you ? What he is taller about is called perfect form , and that’s a thing in every other sport , you need to be efficient, in boxing for example, you can’t be throwing punches randomly you have to learn how to throw a punch perfectly or it’s not gonna work in a VS match ! In power lifting too , there are rules to follow to not injure your self ,to not excessively workout the wrong muscles, how to grip or how to lift , you need to do things perfectly, that’s good for you and you probably not get injured , and even if you can lift a million ton you still can’t do a muscle up.
I just got back into the gym 2 months ago. But looking at Chris' videos after a 1 week vacation/workout time have gave me more gains than just working with weights. I mean wow. this knowledge shouldn't be free. Reps don't count if it's incorrect. Everyone got to listen to this. If i could have been confident enough to take pics i would have. Bro is the only one I'll listen to.
Corey Evans bruh, I listened to him around 4-5 months ago, and I’m so freaking happy I did. 😂😂🙏🏼 This is my boy, I’ve never looked or felt better man! True story.
Totally with you. I just started Crossfit. Before that I've been training by my own for a year, getting myself into shape. I will always put form over speed. If you approach it that way, it's actually a very good training. I've learned so much in only a couple of weeks.
I'm starting at calisthenic and I can't even do a proper push up yet, but 'mI learning everyday little by little and making my body stronger. I love how you encourage people, whatever is their level, to enjoy the journey, more than obsess with the goal. And always looking for taking care of your body, posture, pushing yourself but in a healthy way. Thank you for these videos! You're great motivation!
Paulette Gustafson that’s not true. Butterfly pull ups are very hard and they also require strength to not totally crush your shoulders. It’s the other way around; most people who can do strict pull ups can’t do butterfly pull ups.
I had to sub good information, I'm on week 2 of my 40 week, weight loss journey, my workouts are centered around jumping rope, and doing any strength training I can think of. I'm really trying to be active. This is the level of fitness I aspire to reach. 👏😇
Reptilian alien Clarence and that asian bencher are very impressive, but clarence is on roids and Ufpwerlifter ONLY excels in benching. I find this dude much more impressive, he can do so many things.
He never claimed natural and vaguely hinted at his usage in a video about steroids. Also, he has too much muscle to be natural, there's plenty of videos where hes shirtless and you can see that he's pretty lean, combine this with his stats: 1.78cm & 100kg, and you get an ffmi of 27 at 15% bodyfat. Too high. edit: not to say that he doesn't have very good genetics, a good work ethic and years of dedication. He probably takes a pretty low dose.
Chris, you are perfectly correct! I am nearly 68 years and I see young guys in the gym doing their exercises with poor form, technique and walk around talking and drinking (something). I never sacrifice technique and form for more reps or weight. Some of the guys in the gym will get injured because of not exacting a proper movement. Kudos to you Chris, keep up the good work man!
Funny that I get the video recommended moments after I've signed up for a trail training in a crossfit box. Now I completely agree with you but apparently not all crossfit boxes are like that (fortunately). A colleague of mine has been training there for years now and the part that got me is that the trainers there are all physiotherapists. They don't do the time shit and don't just push for as many reps as possible. They enforce proper posture and a another big thing for me is that people are training together, not against each other. Well, let's see.. On a side note: I mainly want to get "back" into shape, didn't do much apart from rehab after I've broke both my legs about a year ago and soon I'm allowed to go bouldering again. Still, I think when I start with crossfit I try to stick with it along bouldering.
@@happy_day_8273 Well, nobody says that it isn't useful or beneficial. It doesn't go that deep towards the form, rather, it focuses on the physique. And calisthenics focuses hard on the form, not on the quantity but the quality.
@@happy_day_8273 No brother/sister, crossfit is for those who want to get that awesome physique in 'comparatively ' lesser amount of time. But calisthenics takes much longer time all due to the focus on form(really time taking though). It's all about what one likes, but one should rather go with crossfit for that fast, and calisthenics if internally needed.
The CrossFit I go to, we work on various progressive movements before we do any WOD. Such as strict pullups, weighted pull-ups, weighted dips, etc.... Im working on strict pullups but it's a slow process.
I do Crossfit and I agree with you on making the reps count. On the same note Kipping pull ups is a functional movement. That skill translates to different thing eg. Toes2bar and ring/bar muscle ups. It’s soul purpose is to perform a larger load more efficiently and do the next task without dying from fatigue to keep intensity high. Not to isolate. Crossfit progression training for pull ups would be strict>kipping>butterfly pull-ups. You need a base line of strength to maintain kipping pull.
I tried to do as many pushup as I can in let's say 1 minute and actually did quite a lot. But when I put more focus in the pushup, like taking 30 secs to do 1 pushup, I just became stronger and stronger. Quality is better than quantity when it comes to workouts
The only part of this video I can't agree with,is when you suggest trying two slow pull ups and 20 kipping. No one should try kipping pull ups,not even for research purposes.
OFFICIALTHENX glad I could bring you that man,thanks for all the fantastic content. I'm working to attain your level of bodyweight control. It's the most functional and impressive form of strength in my eyes. That's why I workout, to be able to do things that impress me. So that I may one day impress myself to that same degree.
I was gonna take a nap (and probably end up waking up tomorrow) but you motivated me to get off my butt and go to gym now. And to incorporate more calisthenics (pulls ups and push ups specifically). Gonna work on that one arm pull to correct my muscle imbalances and to strengthen my punches. 2 slow pull ups > whatever that kip up was.
I want to see Chris perform a snatch? Or run 20km? Or smash an assault bike....matt Frazer will break his bones in all these events so sit down and shuttup you wannabe athlete
Strongman: Raw Strength Tbh I think I'm going to start doing calisthenics. Calisthenics and strongman mixed is like the perfect blend for what I want. Someone told me, "sounds like crossfit." I don't plan on ever doing it. Their joints...it all looks painful. (Not the good pain either)
Well I broke an arm at crossfit. I’ve never broken anything doing calisthenics. Running on trails sprained ankles. Thanks for addressing. I can do 3 pull-ups and never tried the kipping pull-ups. I do proper push ups and mediocre handstand push-ups.I do worry about teeth smash. By the way I am a 60 yr old granny. I love your channel. The pics of your son I believe is adorable. I need to get my grandson somewhere he is Almost 3.
Did crossfit for about an year, a lot of my strength and technique in lifting improved but my back and joints has suffered and I which I did see it earlier, good video!
Thanks for actual solid info. Was a competitive powerlifter in my sixties. So I KNOW of what you speak. People used to try to get me to train the way they did... I was going with what my body told me was giving me progress and strength. Alot like what you are teaching... FORM! THAT does indeed get you results. Subed you, if I can get back in the gym after death in fam, I'll let you know how it's goin. You're GOOD, keep it up my man. Exquistite work you're showing...💪😳👍❤!
I’ve been a member of 4 different Crossfit gyms in 3 different states and have never seen those count as pushups. Every single gym says if you can’t do the real thing to scale to doing knee pushups, never this “floppy fish” looking thing.
Goodhart's Law: Any measurement which is used to evaluate outcomes will become corrupt. Keep track of what you're actually doing and whether it's getting you what you want.
@@chrisramberg that is clearly a logical statement, there is no derivation of any equation or function. Science is built on logical foundations, axioms.
Alex M I stopped Crossfit for a few reasons; time, money, and goals shifting towards more body weight skills. The place I was going to was actually more technique focused than other Crossfit gyms I’ve worked out at and the coaching was good but Chris did sum up the mentality of the competition side of things well. I’ve been humbled by my true lack of strength starting this program and will be super stoked once I get my one arm pulls down.
ZerotoHero like I said in an above reply to Adam M. My box was good. I had been at other bad places but the one I just left was and is a good place. Changing goals and circumstances are why I left but I am glad I found ThenX as it’s exactly what I was looking for.
Great explanation without hating on it ,love the way you couldn’t allow yourself bad form on kipping pull ups you slowed down the last eccentric part to stop possible injury 👍that’s result of good training like your talking about right there .
Dunno if that makes sense but i could do them in middle school without proper training because i just was so damn light. I can't do them anymore though...
@iodineclip If you want to learn this you should try the negative version of that (you simply go from the top to the bottom as slow as you can. It helps a lot, you can also help yourself with that movement on a machine or using rubbers). Good luck and comment when you succes it!
Wow! This is exactly why I follow you. I keep struggling with other trainers in the gym who keep training their students to do things as fast as they can. Wrong, wrong, wrong. The technique is everything! I'm sharing this right away!
This is the best way to sum up this topic: 1. The google definition is either incorrect or people who say they are doing cross fit are incorrect. 2. There is no problem in training cross fit if your goal is to be good at cross fit. 3. Do not make cross fit training your priority if you are trying to get good at calisthenics. I don't understand why there is so much hate and confusion. They are totally different forms of training.
Crossfit Competition ultimate cheating and showing the wrong examples of form and training programs to people thats the problem, why is so hard for you to understand
Clarify, please. Are you saying the high definition of muscles or the thinness of flesh, as seen in Chris in the video, results in significantly less protection for bone?
Slow is smooth, smooth is fast. Something to live by. If you try doing something fast the wrong way, you make the journey longer and harder. Take your time and do it right, soon enough, you won’t even notice how slow you’re going because speed is t what your going for. Anyway, I love your videos. I just recently subscribed maybe about 3 weeks ago and Ive been watching your videos everyday since 🙌🏼
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hngo Mechanics Consistency Intensity 3 tenants of crossfit methodology. A Kipping pull-up- is a different move and for a different purpose than a strict pull-up, so is a butterfly pull-up. The Kipping is part of a progression a kip is a very natural move and transfers into many other movements-a muscle-up being one of them. A butterfly pull-up is considered a third wave adaptation and is not considered functional but merely a way to move efficiently and quickly. It takes a lot of coordination and strength proper form is crucial. To help you understand look at the overhead presses;The strict press, the push press and the push jerk. Each had a different purpose and the push and the jerk involve using the lower extremities to generate force to the upper extremities. A push press is quite literally a Kipping press but you don’t hear anyone hating on a push or a jerk for making it easier on your arms or allowing you to move faster. Also, it is virtually mandatory to to teach a strict move before any dynamic moves are incorporated. Some instructors break this rule but it is not CF methodology. I hope this helps.
I think this was a great video even though I love crossfit and am training to compete at young age, but you are respectful and make great points! However though, I think that there are a lot of crossfitters and boxes who don't just do this, we focus on strength and technique a lot as well. But you're right about it though, it's just that you've got to know that we do strict and controlled as well, kipping pullups are used for metcons and conditioning
I did CrossFit for 2 years and while the progression in some exercises was worth it, my lower back got fucked up because of the focus on speed over technique at times. It was really telling for me when 2 of the best trainers of the gym I was going to decided to ditch CrossFit when they opened their own gym, because that company wouldn't want to be associated with proper, healthy workout, lol
You have good points but unfortunately it's all dependant on which cross fit box/gym you attend... Where I go...the coaches are amazing and will not let you advance until you have good form in everything you do. They wouldn't even let me attempt muscle ups before they knew I wouldn't injure myself! 9 months later I got a muscle up! Great video
You have people at ur gym that determine what exercises (presumably at what weight) you can and cannot do? No wonder people who do crossfit look like shit and have zero strength. Your being capped in how far you can go with your training.
You mean coaches like every other professional and olympic sport? Wow you are an idiot for making that comment. Professional crossfitters all have their private coaches and trainers, do they look like shit and have zero strength?
Riley Lambourn you’re not capped, you are made to progress in a way that allows you to have proper form and technique before you max out your weight. I just started cross fit about 2 months ago. I am in no way an expert but my coaches are there every step of the way, guiding my progression so I’m not hurting myself and I’m learning each exercise with the proper form and technique. It’s not about limiting what you can do, it’s about guiding your progression. They help me determine what weight I can handle that will still allow me to keep proper form, so I can progress and add more weight. It obviously depends on your coaches and the gym you go to, but mine is amazing, and does not limit you, the guide and encourage you.
incorrect knowledge. Crossfit teaches strict pull ups. this guy is trolling. kipping is only used in competition for amraps racing against other competitors. no strain or jerking motions in kipping either. more of a flow like swinging on a swing set.
I dunno... After watching Cross Fit Games, they do call them "Chest-to-Bar PULL-UPS"... At the "Muscle-Up" portion of their games, they did the same exact thing.. Kipping pull ups to Muscle ups. Its just so weird how their competitions really is just a contest on doing the certain amount of each exercise as fast as possible, like a race rather than actually doing any of their exercises with proper form. I mean like, yea sure those people competing in Cross Fit Games are definitely strong and worked hard to get there. Much respect to that. But with my personal opinion, i'd rather follow Chris Heria's advice on maintaining proper form rather than doing 1000x Cross Fit Pullups in a minute.
MagusFyre well crossfit does teach strict pull ups in training. But in competition when racing opponents, speed and fatigue will destroy form even for this guy. Im sure thats why we dont see him at the crossfit games winning the title as fittest man in the world. No instead he hides on youtube bashing crossfit with incorrect statements.
Usually when I train, ill mix crossfit with bodybuilding program and trying my best to avoid all the cheat form. To be honest, I couldn't perform the kipping pull up efficiently so I go with the regular pull ups. I found its actually helps you get fitter and stronger personally. In my opinion, Thenx always share important information on bodyweight training, no doubt on his opinion in crossfit. Also, you may change to a correct form for those kipping movement to get yourself better.
Definitely good points. I've been doing CrossFit for the first time the past four months 4x week, and I notice these problems. People in the gym trying to make the fastest time sometimes cutting corners; everyone does at some point. Coming from years of gymnastics and multiple other sports, I have come to like CrossFit and definitely will stick to it (even though it's mostly lifting and cardio: there's not much gymnastics). It's the best option I have found for adults that want more out of a gym membership. I just take longer to finish a workout, so I know I actually worked out! The rest of the hoopla, I can take it or leave it, but it's nice getting to know people that you workout with.
Yes. Also, it's a great way to get into shape and stay in shape. I prefer to take my time with the barbell work though. I'm not comfortable rushing those movements for time.
Ash K Well that's CrossFit. They train to do those pull ups. That's the sport and people can't blame it for what it is.
I'm with you. I try to do strict pull ups and just take way more time in the workout
wigidy12 that's what I do. But you can't say that's a wrong way to do it. U get what I mean? Cause that's they're way of doing it.
Ash K then there's an issue with your coaches. If I my WOD includes cleans, and they're not done well technically I will be asked to repeat them. So they concentrate on technique rather than numbers.
“Nothing counts unless you do it correctly”
Message for life right there.
Chris Hollis the effort counts too, even if you don’t do it correctly
Success is doing something correctly.
@@laurenzr.8524 Effort with no outcome is wasted.
@@laurenzr.8524 I'd argue that in this context, that's a dangerous statement. Doing exercises incorrectly can result in lifelong disability.
Chris Hollis yet CrossFit does a lot of stupid shit.
I just started working out, hearing Chris say 'I have massive respect for anyone doing any form of exercise' made me feel good.
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That is real love right there, so many haters in the comments haha
when i hear people are saying " don't get me wrong. i have a lot of respect. i love..... but then immediately put it down just feel like you are so eager to sell something." i always get these people wrong.
When I mentioned yoga... that made me very happy. That is kinda my speed right now.
This guy is so athletic he cant talk without doing a random pull up every 10 seconds
LOL and makes it looks so easy I want to do them
Haha. Yeah is pretty good at his own thang thang! Watch his video where he faces off against the Cuban B machine (forgot his name)
They do the exact same thing in film and television. It's to break up 11 minutes of exposition
No he just likes showing off. I know what it is like to be athletic and have athletic people around me. And they don't show off their shit like that
@@maimaibrown6502 someone's envious
I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times. - Bruce Lee
Meaning what in this context?
@@snow24121 quality over quantity
@@apollofa7057 Meaning what in this context?
I've heard this quote and got what it was saying but honestly I'd be scared of the person doing 10,000 kicks at one time cause they CAN DO THAT MANY AT ONE TIME 😂
@@dinoclasher4129 that's what this quote mean. No one can perfect the kick by praticising it only once... But a man who practised that particular kick many times can knock someone with ease...
I heard some football coach say "practice doesn't make perfect, perfect practice makes perfect"
Yes
I always focus on using good form rather than more reps
Raz Barlow my wrestling coach always say that too
some good words to live by :)
I would have asked him what makes perfect practice? And he would have kicked me out of the team
20 kipping pull ups is harder because of loss of dignity
Ishari 😂😂😂
Ishari literally just made me laugh out loud
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Shame
Shame
Shame
Ect.
someone who can do 20 kipping pull ups correctly is still gaining over someone who cannot or does not do any .. Just saying.. and they could do Id say 5 strict if they have 20 unbroken kipping ..
Chris doesn't believe in wearing shirts.
Vixxen Fox as well as shorts
@@shad0w091 Lol true it's always pants!
And thanks god for that :-)
@@lenajohansen6319 I know right! Lol
His next video would be titled - the problem with t-shirts
I did CrossFit for 3 months and dropped my body fat from 24% to 21% but then my lower back was killing me. Then I joined a conventional gym and dropped from 21% body fat to 14% in just 2 month and my back no longer hurts. So yeah, I definitely think CrossFit is not good or at least not for me, now I want to get started on calisthenics.
Prob had more to do with what you were eating than what you were doing in the gym but fair play
0kojack0 Probably had more to do with the training he was enduring. Crossfit cuts many corners in exercises where the full range of motion should be performed to produce the best results and less injury.
Kyle Wanamaker can’t out train a bad diet.
@@0kojack0 I agree 100 percent. You also can't expect to see results with limited training either. You need to have both a good diet and a good training program. In my opinion Cross-fit cuts many corners in certain exercises that require proper form and technique. Many people that take Cross-fit result in many injuries because they lack proper form.
Proud Indian I’m not really sure what your point is? I’ve never done a CrossFit workout in my life but im pretty confident that anyone eating right and working out doing CrossFit will end up in good shape and very fit. I’m not saying their form is good or one thing is better than another. Good nutrition and consistency will get you results however you choose to train
I can do all the moves he does in this video. Just put me under water and I'm good to go.
haha
@J B More like Seaweed Boy, but working on it :P
Sashimi Hahahahahaha!! 😊😊
you can use a resistance band!
Intro song?
wearing a shirt for Chris is an insult to his body
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Just like Jeff Cavilier
Chaaus Xentrus we needa start a petition for chris to break out the markers😂
but he covered his body with tattoos so his muscles are hard to see.
Agreed
In other words, quality > quantity.
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both form Quality and quantity are learnt in CF. sure there are prob some crap coaches out there but I can tell you there hundred who are awesome CF coaches .. plus I have been to so many Globo gyms and watched some real crap form . so lets put this into perspective .. so many dont squat to full depth full range of motion .. pull ups are not full ROM .. push ups not chest to ground or locked out at top I could go on and on about the bad form Ive seen across many non crossfit gyms ..
@@IgnacioClerici-mp5cy you have no idea what your talking about obviously ..
In calesthenix maybe, but in CrossFit not. You also don’t go to a sprinter and tell him that his movement is wrong, because a nother move would be more worthy
both are required to be a great all rounder.. obvious to me ..maybe not to you .
4:35 chris tried to do kipping pull up and he is so strong that he almost do a muscle up. Hahahaha
He couldn't even do the pull up wrong lol.
@@brandondabbs2593 his body denied it automaticly
I peeped that too lol
yeah i just wanted to comment this, hes "kipping" pullups ar emuch harder then the people in crossfit doing them lol, i probably cant even do them like that yet
looks more like he can't perform the crossfit 'pullup' cuz it's such an awkward movement and his body is used to doing the correct pullup
‘Never confuse high intensity with speed’ - excellent take home message, thank you.
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Mr Salubrious this quote could also be from muhammad ali or bruce lee
i like calisthenics because it's fun. i dont have to do a billion reps, work out on a machine, or push myself super duper hard every single time. i can actually enjoy myself and learn how to move my body. best of all, i know that calisthenics makes my mind and body BETTER. i use it as therapy when i get depressed or anxious.
I wish I had a calisthenics pro in Nicaragua, there's not a single gym dedicated to that here sadly.
Well I cannot say anything about your opinion but the exercise you choose really depends on your goals
Wise words right there my friend. Imagine practising a martial art while also doing calisthenics, killer mindset
@@danialezero93 Igual que eso no te detenga, proba buscar ejercicios de calistenia de diversos canales de RUclips (éste, Dominik sky, calisthenic movement, Austin Dunham, etc.) Y podrás armarte una rutina con esos ejercicios (a menos que requieran equipamiento que no haya en tu gym cercano)
Espero que hayan servido mis típs (voy a un gimnasio pero siempre 100% calistenia)
Daniela Chamorro There’s no need of a gym, you just need a bar and you’re good to go 👍🏻
Quality over quantity.
Bleach They are good athletes. Just need to focus more on form and quality.
Brandon Causationist that's what I say all the time
I’m in CrossFit and it’s most certainly quality over quantity. We work towards fixed sets, not speed sets. We even go over the time limit most days.
SusBusGaming what? Lol so you can’t work hard while lifting right?
Anna Mullis that does not sound like CF for CF is all about reps for time
He is doing exercise like he is giving interview while having coffee
Just, casual, up and down like he's on a walk in the park
This is the Chris Heria i like, Being honest and Truthful for the sake of the fitness industry but now his videos started to be more spews for more views..like the vlog business mentality take over his passion for the fitness. that's why greg docette dissed him. but i think chris heria is more bad ass than greg if he just continues this kind of truthful straight to the point fitness advice.
It's his job my friend.
Easy if you have twiggs for legs
A minimum of 3 servings of preworkout before every video
Chris
I’m a 55 yr old guy. Who at a young age was very active and athletic. Over 30 yrs life happened. Couch potato, junk food you name it. 2 years ago I came to a cross road. I needed to decide if I was going to live a life or give up. I decided to do something about my situation but something that would last. 2 years ago I started learning about diet and nutrition. I started out at 330 lbs. and now I’m down to about 265lbs. Great progress in my journey so far but exercise is also important so I started walking. At first I could only do about 15 min but gradually worked up to regimen of about 3 or 4 miles a day. This past December I’ve implemented mild weight training and I’ve found it made a big difference. However, since prowling around RUclips I stumbled across your ThenX channel and loved it. At this time I cannot do even one pull up. I can do about 30 push ups but not with good form so I’ve started over and am committed to doing one push up with perfect form. I went onto the internet and found a couple of local parks that are set up for calisthenics. I’m going to practice the Australian pull-up and I don’t care how long it takes me to do it but now I jacked to do one good pull up with perfect form and progress from there. I’m a year out from retirement and I want to enter my new life with an overall health and wellness mindset. I wanted to thank you for your great perspective that you’ve given to me. Here we go!!!!
Ed
Congratulations warrior.
Enjoy the journey you will love it! Never stop!
Good for you.
That fantastic! Keep it up!
Congrats man you can do it
Speed vs intensity
Like Bruce Lee said, better to learn one kick properly instead of 10 kicks you can barely do
excellent advice from the best
I fear no man who did 1000 kicks one time but I fear a man who did one kick a 1000 times ~ B. Lee
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It really is excellent advice
Even if the advice is nearly a century old
@JAKE GUS Bruce Lee is not dead
He is a LEGEND!!!!
He will still be here when you are gone
And just so you know, Bruce Lee isn't Mexican
@JAKE GUS I think you need another drink
Or is it the other way around? Last drink!!
I've been doing CrossFit for about 2 years now, and I agree with everything this dude is saying. There's too many coaches who don't train people right. Not only are these people not seeing the results they should, they're setting themselves up for some nasty injuries. Fortunately I got a great coach that stresses fundamentals above all else, and is big on progression to tougher movements. He's got degrees in sports medicine and was a trainer for about 15 years before doing crossfit. That's why I trust him. If I hadn't met him as the spouse of my wife's co-worker, I never would've set foot in a crossfit gym. I say all that to say, this guy is right about a majority of crossfitters, so if you're gonna do it, make sure you get a coach that knows his stuff.
Exactly, I'd say it very much depends on the coach. Mine also stresses form and progression over cutting corners for time. Also everyone in the gym should be holding you accountable because you're not only cheating yourself by cutting corners but you're saying with your time that you are better than everyone you beat.
It's also the same for a lot Martial Arts schools I'd say. You have a shitload of Bullshido "Masters" saying how they're this and that, and almost the totality of them have a fat gut and weigh over 300lbs... They focus on "technique" but it only really "works" if it's done in the same controlled environment demonstrated in the course. If I want to learn Martial Arts, it's cause I want to kick the other dude's ass before he kicks mine...
I read “spouse of my wife” and got really anxious for a second there
Many people say “pain is weakness leaving the body”, I say “doing 20 butterfly pull ups is dignity leaving the body”
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Ay is that a tf2 refrence?
😂 😂 😂 😂
I do CrossFit and only do strict pullups. Also priority is always form and technique 1, proper resistance 2, and speed 3. If the only thing people have to harp on is the stupid butterfly pull-ups you're probably just another average gym bro sitting on their phone in between sets at the gym for 4 hours.
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Pull ups with kicking is not helping anyone. Not true, it has helped several people grow their bank accounts.
And it helped people to get injured lol
@@lolxd7753 You can get injured doing anything....
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@@fubagaming5780 well that's a stupid comment
@@Tom-vu1wr Ask Froning how much his Reebok contract pays...
I love how this guy gets in a beast mode workout while having a casual conversation at the same time
alcazar123456 I’m out of breath watching him workout
Hes the goat
I’m a competitive cross fitter and honestly you’re making a great point .
Fast reps equal no hypertrophy; which is when the actin and myosin contract in order to increase size. When you just focus on speed, you lose form, it's a compromise, would you rather do 10 good pull ups in a row or 30 non engaging exercises and lack strength just to "look" like their strong but in reality people aren't really development technique but speed.
All he is saying is that he doesnt like kipping in any way shape or form, but he likes crossfit.
don't be hating he likes the same art movement as us
Lars Lars 🤢🤢🤢🤢you make me sick
+KOALA_FREAK lol why would that honest statement make you sick?
I love how he struggled to do a bad form "pull-up" :D After doing thousands of strict pull-ups its hard to even try to do a bad form one
The thing is, when you 'kip', to master kipping you have to master the timing of the leg kick. Thats kinda challenging but WAY easier than calisthenics
@@shadowdestroyer5033 timing, maybe, strength, no
Naaa gyulnek a magyarok XD
It's not called a "bad" pull up its called a kipping pull up and they aren't bad its just a different way to do it
@@Wildwestshows The reason why its bad is because its so easy, youre getting up with momentum not with strength, crossfitters do them to get the most reps in competition, but if your goal isnt that, then dont do them.
I've never seen someone do muscle ups so easily. Carrying on a conversation while doing multiple muscle ups and his voice doesn't stop or break during the movement. It almost sounds like he recorded the video and then recorded his voice, it's so smooth.
Hardcaslte lightweight and lots of muscle let's you do weird things.
Hardcaslte that's because the strongest ones are not popular
ICantFindMyActual Fish lol thats true!
"Perfect practice makes perfect." ~ Chris
I like how Chris does a workout while talking. He’s one of those coaches that can tell you to do 20 push-ups and you’ll do it without a fit. I hate the coaches that tell you to do 20 push-ups but they can’t even do 1.
John I can do a lot more than 20. But I’m just saying that I dislike coaches that tell you to do 20 but cant even do 1.
Yup I don't listen to fat people. Same way I don't take advice from poor people. I only take advice from people I want to be like.
I can sing at operatic voice while working out!
Hi Chris
I have been training in the Martial Arts all my life
I prefer Technique over Quantity and I know when I see A Good Teacher
Who cares about my Health and Fitness for the Future
I've been training for 3 mths (hiit training/ crossfit) and have had very little results until about 2 weeks ago when I slowed my reps down and focused on my ROM and perfecting the rep. Since then I've noticed muscle growth and definition. This vlog rings very true to me. Much respect for sharing your opinions bro
Gravity don't exist in his world.
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He's about to start flying
Superman vs Superchris
JC Figueroa
Ikr 😢
Thiago Silva
Lmao
My CrossFit coach told me I need to learn strict pull-ups before kiping
Keep him
Jed Rashidul I will he’s my dad🤣
@@bpartridge6981 lol!
strict pullups are excellent - please do not do kipping pullups, you will risk injury for no strength gains
There is no translation between dead hangs and the ridiculous kipping pull ups he showed in this video. I really don't understand why someone would choose the kipping pull ups over being able to do go solid dead hangs.
Literally one of the best fitness channels out there. Not about gaining muscle as fast as you can, or trying to find the easiest way to get results. But all about discipline and doing it the right way. Props👏🏻✊🏻
In order to gain more muscle, there are only two things to consider: training and a good diet. Thankfully, we have Agoge Diet that provides both training and diet plan. Try not to visit their website. Trust me, you can't.
@@angelcastillo7867 yes those two are quite obvious and pretty much known by everyone. What’s your point exactly?
Even your kipping pull up looked graceful! Great overall advice, and a trap that I've fallen into.
Don't count reps, make reps count.
Words to live by😆👍
WHAT A QUOTE!!!
@@gumikebbap I can't take credit for it 😀. I'm not sure where I first heard it put so succinctly. It may have been Athlean X.
Your kipping pull up was NOT a kipping pull up, again @Officialthenx, why do you claim to have coached CrossFit when it's absolutely bullshit? Little advice, don't talk about stuff you don't know about.
Sean Foster that’s what I love about cross fit, it’s elegant, you can tell from his tummy muscles that he favours one side, I need to learn to do this to fix a hernia xx
I remember when first doing push ups and my gym buddy was hating on me for being slow and putting out too few reps. Told him i'd rather have proper form and control then look like a fish flopping on land lol. That guy doing pullups hopefully figured out how to actually work out after that.
Lol Chris you are a beast you are calmly talking while doing exercises that not many people can do and act like it’s nothing XD my favourite athlete
woohoo!
OFFICIALTHENX wow you replied!!
I've been involved in Crossfit for the past 2 years - and at first this was a huge issue for some of us (for example I come from a martial arts background where form and proper technique is king). Our headcoach took our points to heart and implemented proper weightlifting classes (our WL coach is an Olympic WL athlete), functional body building w/ calisthenics by a coach who properly knows his stuff, and even yoga by a qualified instructor.
During training his main goal is that our movements are properly done and not just reps for reps' sake.
I count myself to be very lucky being involved with this guy as it also resonates with my fixation on proper techniques.
Thanks for your channel, Chris - it's one of the best on RUclips
He makes pull ups look so easy. Incredible control. My goal is to be able to do pull ups again. After having a child I haven't been able to do any. Can't wait. Doing A pull up properly is so much more important than the amount.
awesome jody! try it =]
Good luck Jody!
Hmmm best of luck, but make sure to take it easy and let your body heal...you just pushed out a human outta you ......just eat a lot of protein ...and do alil at a time .
Keep going!
I'm with you Bro!!! I respect all athletes, however, proper form and progression is the goal!
You are crazy strong, relative to your bodyweight. Your physique is kind of the physique I am aiming for. One day, I will be there. One day.
How 'bout you stop with lab stuff and start hitting them muscles! All brains no brawl :P
No pun intended
You better hold on to your words
Einstien, dude just focus on 7th dimension. Wait you're dead.
Dude just focus on being dead.
no you won't
True Story:
20 years ago, I came across a Men's Workout magazine that promised phenomenal results with a simple basic routine where perfect execution of the exercise was prioritized over rep amounts. It only required total devotion to form and discipline in executing them perfectly and without haste. I tried it for a week.
A week later, the only difference I noticed in my workouts were that they were easier, but I wasn't doing more of them. Even though I knew I could add more reps, I stuck to the plan against my natural inclination to do more. I focused on more perfection over more reps.
However, my body looked amazing. It truly was the fastest way to achieve results that were more than just aesthetic. There's a saying I learned recently that seems to fit this approach; "Slow is fast." Something done perfectly as needed is always more productive than something done improperly more times.
Moving forwards after that, progression was the key once you mastered the basic exercises and variety was added to expand the benefits of said workout.
So Chris is 100% correct.
I am a competitive Crossfit athlete as well. You're points are very good. They apply to many people who only train as fast as possible. I believe that, to become successful in Crossfit, you must train strict strength movements about half the time. The other half can be used to practice competitive movement efficiency with a timed aspect. I believe kipping CAN be OK, but NEVER when training to get stronger. Only when practicing for competition or actual competition. I actually have a lot to say about this topic. Maybe I should make a video about it...
thanks for your reply david! yes make the video i would watch!
Eyyyy bro, didn't expect to find you're here
David Helmers well said
SP Riggs you are a wannbie (even in CF) because of your utter ignorance and bad manners, unlike David, the dude expressed himself with total respect and proved you and many other crying babies to be wrong; and he IS a comptitive crossfitter.
Buddy cross fit needs strict standards and rules why is the kipping even allowed just call it a no rep and give it to the guy actually doing the reps,also giving away certification standards just to make the sport more popular they give any idiot a trainer certification and anyone can become affiliated.Also rules need to be distinct once I saw an event where you need to strike a heavy object with a hammer and it moves on a rail,the winner of the event didn't hit much harder instead hit and dragged the object using the hammer as a trolley handle so it's really unfair.Snatches are done with bent elbows and the person muscles them into lockout position, in the 2016 Olympics Behdad Salimi snatched record breaking weight but slightly muscled the lockout most of the fans thought he did it bcos it happened so fast it was a historic moment but judges went nope this is another reason clean and press was removed from Olympics bcos it was hard to judge.I have never observed this type of judgement in crossfit, it matters bcos a competition should be fair what's the purpose if ppl are being judged differently.You can say not everyone is doing this but the instances I am giving you happened at International crossfit games on highest stages of the game.
This video should be called " the problem with bad coaching". I wasn't allowed to do anything kipping until I had at least 10 to 20 of a movement strict and unbroken. All good, I'm still going to subscribe to this channel and follow on Instagram, I respect you as an athlete.
+nik garcia true! Thanks for watching!
There are numerous Crossfit types of people out there.
1) The person who is very competitive and will cut corners to be at the top (This individual gets called out, noticed, and is only cheating himself in his workouts)
2) The person who scales their workouts and never worries about where they are located on the Wodify board. This person concentrates on progressions and getting better at all movements before, during, and after WODS
3). The person who just started and is interested in learning and come out to give Crossfit a shot...generally they have an unbiased view of Crossfit and will go in because they have seen the games before
4). The competitive crossfitter. This individual has it all, can run, jump, pull up, clean and jerk and snatch more weight than most people can and is the best at ALL progressions, not just one.
All of these people enjoy one thing...the comradery and push from being in a group workout. When someone finishes a WOD, you feel a sense of accomplishment. Not all Crossfit boxes care too much about form and that’s what the issue is with the persona of the sport. But if you find the right gym, they will stop you mid WOD and make sure that your form is on point. I cant tell you how many times I have been stopped mid workout to be told to tighten my shoulders, get off my toes, etc....It’s not the sport but the people who coach it. No matter what gym you go to, you will find those that cut corners to get the bar overhead and such.
Ultimately, Crossfit as a whole is not in the wrong one bit. Everything has its own progression and own style. Butterfly pull-ups are not strict and therefor, a bit easier to do in multiples...I get it. Don’t compare apples and oranges.
I have been doing CrossFit for 2 and a half years. And you do make some relevant points here. It is true that some boxes will allow anyone to start doing butterfly’s and kipping ring muscle ups super early. But not all boxes. The ones with good coaches twill make members have strength before moving into kipping movements. For example at my box you need 10 STRICT good form pull ups before you can do kipping. And you need 15 before you can do butterfly’s. This DRAMATICALLY reduces chance of injury. Same thing with ring muscle ups. You need to know how to do strict before you can kip. It is not true there are no professions. The good boxes will make sure there is progression.
The whole reason for kipping is to improve efficiency of the movement, to make it easier and faster for competition. Obviously kipping is useless in calisthenics because it does not build strength anywhere near as fast as strict. In CrossFit though, we still do strict training to increase strength. The only time we will do kipping is if there is a fitness test, or we are working on technique.
Also some point you made is that you will never bet able to do one arm pull ups and weighted muscle ups if you only do kipping pull ups. Well for starters, CrossFitters don’t have the goal of doing one arm pull ups or weighted muscle ups, we couldn’t care less because those movements are not in our competitions. And I I said before, we train with strict strength to build muscle, and are well aware that kipping doesn’t build muscle
Why not set some ground rules in competition too, y'know to make it fair. No kipping or swinging should be allowed. Perfect form is the true measure of proper strength and efficiency in that movement.
Just wrote a comment with the same in it. Love good boxes and coaches that teach crossfit in the way it is meant to be. Sure the athletes going to the CF Games are likely to be injured but it's the same with every professional sport. Soccer players are injured every week...but people don't know about crossfit and just write comments. I could never imagine doingt butterfly pullups in the strength part
Of course the movement are in your traning, how do you klimb a rope well whit 1 handed pullup one an one after each other whit help of legs.
@@SamVibezz strength is not the sole measure of fitness.
@@hssy2jrocker i also mentioned proper form and technique here.
Your programs are kicking my ass dude!
But I've learned so many skills already.
Muscle up, pullover, handstands etc.
Thanks bro
THANK YOU 🙏🏻 my girlfriend is in crossfit, and we debate this exact subject all the time. I respect crossfit i really do, i respect anyone who has the will to better themselves, but crossfit can be dangerous and over time regressive on the joints and tendons if you do not work with proper form. She sent me a video of her trainer having her do 100 straight powercleans and he never cleaned up her form when she got tired just told her to keep pushing, honestly pissed me off. That’s how you get hurt. Form > speed/reps.
@@IntellectuallySuperior2U that’s just sexist and not funny
@@IntellectuallySuperior2U it was funny bro
@@lancetran64 thank you for sticking up for us lance
him doing that one slow pull-up while just talking totally relaxed makes me feel so bad xD
Lol fr
I practice CrossFit for 3.5y and can say Chris is right. But is mistaken on one thing, doing kip or butterfly pull-ups doesn't mean the athlete hasn't been started with proper progressions. It is up to the coach to teach him on proper technique and movement standards.
There are many athletes who do not follow the standards in order to make quick (and dirty) progress and this is completely wrong.
Chris, you are awesome, respect!
Chris pull ups are so clean that he can’t even do a proper kipping pull up 😂
I wanna look like this guy when I get reincarnated as an Asian dude.
😂🔥
Lmao I didn’t even know he was Asian
😂😂
U built like my grandma
@@kefkapalazzo1 he looks half, heria is a filipino surname as well. But I could be wrong, Chris hasn't said anything about his nationality anywhere other than being american.
This guys focus on pure strength and body type reminds me of Bruce lee
He looks better than Bruce Lee. He'd probably kick Lee's ass, too.
@@m_i_g_5108 Don't get muscles confused with actual fighting skills. Bruce Lee spent his life perfecting his skills as an actual fighter, with real fight/sparring experience and knowledge of different martial arts and fighting techniques (while being strong and flexible as well). Just because you're strong and/or swole doesn't mean you can fight. You'll likely be better than the average joe, but if you go up against anyone who actually knows what they're doing, you'll get your ass handed to you.
@@prefix253 Yup. Don't get me wrong the guy in the video is very athletic, but against real fighters he will get knocked out in seconds.
MIK GUM relax there buddy
Thanks for the video - all interesting points. Ive been doing CrossFit for around 4 years about 5 times a week - Im 52. Its worth noting a few things - from the box where I train anyway. Kipping pull ups are only one type of pull up. Before anyone kips they must be able to do 10 strict minimum. This is achieved through progressions. We have a huge focus on technique over numbers of reps. We do strict, we do negatives, we do muscle ups and progressions leading to muscle ups. Technique is king. Our sessions last an hour. At least half of this is dedicated to technique. Our classes are also small and heavily coached. Re your kipping push up - Ive never seen one of these before. We do progressions and then strict. We also bring in on a regular basis external coaches for half day sessions focused on technique for specific lifts / movements. At 52 Ive achieved my muscle ups through CrossFit and hours and hours of practice. Love and respect to all. Adrian, Scotland.
Hey Adrian, what crossfit in scotland are you at? Ive got my induction tommorow at the East Kilbride Crossfit.
@@5.1displaysystem53 Hey Sean - sorry I missed this - I go to CrossFit East Rocks close to Dunbar - awesome place - in a forrest - look it up. How was East Kilbride?
@@adrianboot3644 ahh cool! I had my first session this week, really really impressed so far! Cheers!
Nigga signed his name off😂😂😂
CrossFit trainer here. I agree with your points. If you go to a CrossFit trainer certification class you are taught the charter of mechanism, consistency then load. No one should be doing kipping pullups before they can do a strict pull-up. And believe me every crossfiter wants that ring muscle up. Speed is one aspect of fitness that we are after but not all. There are plenty slow and heavy workouts and skill sessions that are not timed in a good CrossFit program. And if you watch the top athletes they are doing more and more of your advanced movements the rest of us are just getting there. There's only so much time an individual can allot to training so instead of focusing on being advanced in one specialty we choose to be good on a lot of things. As a coach, if you move perfectly I will encourage you to move faster until your form breaks a little and work at that pace to build capacity untill your form is perfect again. But I wouldn't allow your form to break down so much to the level of unsafe. Intensity is relative to the individual. The world's best gymnast can't win a strong man competition. We don't want to train one thing to the extreme at the expense of other aspects of fitness. Constantly varied. That's the key
I do CrossFit but I think a huge issue is the short time to get an L1. Most of the best coaches tend to also have more than just L1 knowledge and training, as they have prior coaching experience in sports like Weightlifting or Gymnastics. Will say props to you for knowing how to manage load and form - something many CrossFit coaches at gyms have no clue about.
Most of the top athletes like Justin Medeiros and Tia Toomey are not doing the classes. Instead, they are doing full on training programs like HWPO, PRVN, and Mayhem. They spend so much time addressing their own weaknesses and enhancing their strengths.
I've been lifting (mostly powerlifting) for the past decade and can do over 20 strict pull-ups. I've benched 335 lbs and dead lifted 510 lbs. I recently joined a CrossFit gym to improve my overall fitness. I was weary at first, but after doing a lot of their classes (it's NOT just WODs) I see that the coaches want all athletes to learn the FUNDAMENTAL movements before doing, say, a kipping pull-up or muscle up. One of the coaches said "you should NOT be doing kipping pull-ups if you can't do strict pull-ups." I've been learning snatches and power cleans all while following programs that STILL INCORPORATE heavy back squats, front squats, bench press, strict overhead press, STRICT pull-ups (and pull-up progressions for those who can't do a pull-up yet), etc. I see that you are a calesthenic guru, but that is your SPECIALTY. A lot of these guys were gymnasts, cross-country runners, or powerlifters before doing CrossFit. At the gym I go to, form and technique is VERY important. I would challenge you to do one of the workouts OUTSIDE your specialty, like one involving power cleans, rowing, snatches, etc. Everyone has strengths and weaknesses. The awesome thing about CrossFit is that you are able to become a stronger and fitter version of yourself. I respect what you do, but it seems you are only focused on a few surface level aspects of CrossFit, or maybe have only come across bad versions of it. Drop by CrossFit Invictus Boston if you ever want to get a more accurate picture of what CrossFit is.
wow! I love your explanation here. I just started doing crossfit for a month now and really enjoy it. My coach is a great coach, he wont let me do kipping pull ups if i cannot do 4-5 strict pull ups. He also programs my training plan with strict pull ups as well. Thank you for your explanation here.
You don’t get it don’t you ? What he is taller about is called perfect form , and that’s a thing in every other sport , you need to be efficient, in boxing for example, you can’t be throwing punches randomly you have to learn how to throw a punch perfectly or it’s not gonna work in a VS match ! In power lifting too , there are rules to follow to not injure your self ,to not excessively workout the wrong muscles, how to grip or how to lift , you need to do things perfectly, that’s good for you and you probably not get injured , and even if you can lift a million ton you still can’t do a muscle up.
I just got back into the gym 2 months ago.
But looking at Chris' videos after a 1 week vacation/workout time have gave me more gains than just working with weights. I mean wow. this knowledge shouldn't be free. Reps don't count if it's incorrect. Everyone got to listen to this. If i could have been confident enough to take pics i would have. Bro is the only one I'll listen to.
Corey Evans you have rocks in your head. Period
Corey Evans bruh, I listened to him around 4-5 months ago, and I’m so freaking happy I did. 😂😂🙏🏼 This is my boy, I’ve never looked or felt better man! True story.
Totally with you. I just started Crossfit. Before that I've been training by my own for a year, getting myself into shape. I will always put form over speed. If you approach it that way, it's actually a very good training. I've learned so much in only a couple of weeks.
Teacher with dumbbells y
Exactly I’m the same way. I literally told my trainer yesterday I will never do kipping pull-ups
I'm starting at calisthenic and I can't even do a proper push up yet, but 'mI learning everyday little by little and making my body stronger. I love how you encourage people, whatever is their level, to enjoy the journey, more than obsess with the goal. And always looking for taking care of your body, posture, pushing yourself but in a healthy way. Thank you for these videos! You're great motivation!
How about now?😊
I can’t do a kip pullup.
Just can’t.
Won’t.
In the USMC we did deadhangs.
Period.
Kipping was cheating.
This cat is legit...
I feel you brother. Everytime I try to do a kipping pull up I end up crossing my ankles and dead hanging lol. All the way up all the way down. SFMF!
Kipping was legal back in the old boot camp.
WTH was with that CrossFit pullup? 1:52. That's not a pullup. That's someone having a seizure on the pullup bar.
Exactly if I saw someone in the gym doing that I would call an ambulance
The dude wrecked the inside of his hands after doing that too.
I've been practicing CrossFit for a month now I've never seen someone doing that. but that was funny af
That was a butterfly pull up. Fastest way to get the numbers in. Most people who do these can't do one real pull up.
Paulette Gustafson that’s not true. Butterfly pull ups are very hard and they also require strength to not totally crush your shoulders. It’s the other way around; most people who can do strict pull ups can’t do butterfly pull ups.
hope you don't mind if I do insane beastly exercises, in excellent form while casually laying out good pointers..wth.
I had to sub good information, I'm on week 2 of my 40 week, weight loss journey, my workouts are centered around jumping rope, and doing any strength training I can think of. I'm really trying to be active. This is the level of fitness I aspire to reach. 👏😇
Now that it's been over 40 weeks, how did your journey go?
You can do it
Bruh he’s working out while talking it’s great
This guy is so strong holy shit
Ryan Gann haha thats true , he is crazy dude
Pfft, this guy's a weakling.Look up "Ufpwerlifter 410 raw bench" and "Clarence Kennedy 750lb deadlift"
Reptilian alien Clarence and that asian bencher are very impressive, but clarence is on roids and Ufpwerlifter ONLY excels in benching. I find this dude much more impressive, he can do so many things.
How do you know Clarence is on steroids?
He never claimed natural and vaguely hinted at his usage in a video about steroids. Also, he has too much muscle to be natural, there's plenty of videos where hes shirtless and you can see that he's pretty lean, combine this with his stats: 1.78cm & 100kg, and you get an ffmi of 27 at 15% bodyfat. Too high.
edit: not to say that he doesn't have very good genetics, a good work ethic and years of dedication. He probably takes a pretty low dose.
Chris, you are perfectly correct! I am nearly 68 years and I see young guys in the gym doing their exercises with poor form, technique and walk around talking and drinking (something). I never sacrifice technique and form for more reps or weight. Some of the guys in the gym will get injured because of not exacting a proper movement. Kudos to you Chris, keep up the good work man!
Funny that I get the video recommended moments after I've signed up for a trail training in a crossfit box. Now I completely agree with you but apparently not all crossfit boxes are like that (fortunately). A colleague of mine has been training there for years now and the part that got me is that the trainers there are all physiotherapists. They don't do the time shit and don't just push for as many reps as possible. They enforce proper posture and a another big thing for me is that people are training together, not against each other. Well, let's see..
On a side note: I mainly want to get "back" into shape, didn't do much apart from rehab after I've broke both my legs about a year ago and soon I'm allowed to go bouldering again. Still, I think when I start with crossfit I try to stick with it along bouldering.
Well, if it's about proper training, then it's definitely not Cros$f!t...!
Crossfit is very good and developed sport just start and thene return and watch this vedio laughing
@@happy_day_8273 Well, nobody says that it isn't useful or beneficial. It doesn't go that deep towards the form, rather, it focuses on the physique. And calisthenics focuses hard on the form, not on the quantity but the quality.
@@mv1223 i think you can do it with the crossfit.. Just watch the pro training routine you see what I'm trying to say.. Thx for the answer
@@happy_day_8273 No brother/sister, crossfit is for those who want to get that awesome physique in 'comparatively ' lesser amount of time. But calisthenics takes much longer time all due to the focus on form(really time taking though). It's all about what one likes, but one should rather go with crossfit for that fast, and calisthenics if internally needed.
You know you have achieved abs when you don’t have to flex to show you abs 😂
Business Designer Duhon I don’t have to flex, but they still don’t look like that. I don’t freaking get it man. 🤷🏼♂️😂😂🤦🏼♂️😭
Under Ground Role Models that means it’s not enough. I have a lot of work to do..
Roids
Diet and alot of calisthenics
Under Ground Role Models
Abs is mostly just bodyfat percentage
The CrossFit I go to, we work on various progressive movements before we do any WOD. Such as strict pullups, weighted pull-ups, weighted dips, etc.... Im working on strict pullups but it's a slow process.
I do Crossfit and I agree with you on making the reps count. On the same note Kipping pull ups is a functional movement. That skill translates to different thing eg. Toes2bar and ring/bar muscle ups. It’s soul purpose is to perform a larger load more efficiently and do the next task without dying from fatigue to keep intensity high. Not to isolate. Crossfit progression training for pull ups would be strict>kipping>butterfly pull-ups. You need a base line of strength to maintain kipping pull.
I tried to do as many pushup as I can in let's say 1 minute and actually did quite a lot. But when I put more focus in the pushup, like taking 30 secs to do 1 pushup, I just became stronger and stronger. Quality is better than quantity when it comes to workouts
The only part of this video I can't agree with,is when you suggest trying two slow pull ups and 20 kipping. No one should try kipping pull ups,not even for research purposes.
lmao you got me at the end of this comment XD
OFFICIALTHENX glad I could bring you that man,thanks for all the fantastic content. I'm working to attain your level of bodyweight control. It's the most functional and impressive form of strength in my eyes. That's why I workout, to be able to do things that impress me. So that I may one day impress myself to that same degree.
Septic Bile Chris want's to compare 2slow pull ups and kipping pullups
Hyrum Rivera it's a joke. Sarcasm. Chris got it. How'd you miss that? He even replied himself,laughing at the joke.....
hahahahahahahaha "not even for research purposes" hahaha gold!
I was gonna take a nap (and probably end up waking up tomorrow) but you motivated me to get off my butt and go to gym now.
And to incorporate more calisthenics (pulls ups and push ups specifically). Gonna work on that one arm pull to correct my muscle imbalances and to strengthen my punches.
2 slow pull ups > whatever that kip up was.
8.4k crossfiters did not like hearing the truth.
Put this dude against Mat Fraser in any competition and see who comes out on top.
Chris would win. It's a fact.
Truuuueeee
I want to see Chris perform a snatch? Or run 20km? Or smash an assault bike....matt Frazer will break his bones in all these events so sit down and shuttup you wannabe athlete
You think Chris would win?
You obviously don't know who matt Frasier is.
You can tell he’s ripped when his back muscles have muscles.
I want to like but u have 69 likes
And yes lmao
Calistenics: power
bodybuilding: aesthetic
crossfit: ego
hahahah agreed :D
Felipe Diaz
Crossfit is cardio. I don't love it, but it has it's purpose.
Strongman: Raw Strength
Tbh I think I'm going to start doing calisthenics. Calisthenics and strongman mixed is like the perfect blend for what I want. Someone told me, "sounds like crossfit." I don't plan on ever doing it. Their joints...it all looks painful. (Not the good pain either)
eon001 so are farmer walks. Give it a shot.
I see that calostenics = big ego
Bodybuilding = steroids
Crossfit... i won’t write because i see all of you know better what it is
I died when he did the one arm pull ups... 👍👍👍
Erik Ny or how he did a one arm muscle up well assisted but thats crazy
While he was talking... 😂
Samuel Pérez Poyatos
So casually.
He's basically embarrassing the entire CF community.
he knows his shit, his control is phenomenal
🙏🏼
Yes, I even tought that he was going to keep talking while holding that planche
Thanks for this, i had been looking for someone that could put these criticisms into words.
Well I broke an arm at crossfit. I’ve never broken anything doing calisthenics. Running on trails sprained ankles. Thanks for addressing. I can do 3 pull-ups and never tried the kipping pull-ups. I do proper push ups and mediocre handstand push-ups.I do worry about teeth smash. By the way I am a 60 yr old granny. I love your channel. The pics of your son I believe is adorable. I need to get my grandson somewhere he is Almost 3.
oh wow i am truly honored!
How did you break your arm?
The 60 year old granny can do handstand pushups and I can't?!?!?!
*pushups intensify*
Did crossfit for about an year, a lot of my strength and technique in lifting improved but my back and joints has suffered and I which I did see it earlier, good video!
I like how he just casually does one arm pull-ups and waited muscle-ups
Thanks for actual solid info. Was a competitive powerlifter in my sixties. So I KNOW of what you speak. People used to try to get me to train the way they did... I was going with what my body told me was giving me progress and strength. Alot like what you are teaching... FORM! THAT does indeed get you results. Subed you, if I can get back in the gym after death in fam, I'll let you know how it's goin. You're GOOD, keep it up my man. Exquistite work you're showing...💪😳👍❤!
i’m sorry for your loss. get back in the gym when ever you can 🙏🏽
"kipping pushups" hahahaha that's the best joke ever
STEVE LEVELEVE the worst part about that joke is it's true in the crossfit world
yup youtube search crossfit push ups
Sorry but that’s not even practised in crossfit. Maybe sooometimes the movement is scaled for beginners, but only for that
I’ve been a member of 4 different Crossfit gyms in 3 different states and have never seen those count as pushups. Every single gym says if you can’t do the real thing to scale to doing knee pushups, never this “floppy fish” looking thing.
Did you even do that search yourself on youtube? Literally the exact opposite of what you're claiming you'd find...
Goodhart's Law: Any measurement which is used to evaluate outcomes will become corrupt. Keep track of what you're actually doing and whether it's getting you what you want.
Ohhhhh science!
@@chrisramberg No, it is logic
I stand corrected
@@chrisramberg that is clearly a logical statement, there is no derivation of any equation or function. Science is built on logical foundations, axioms.
Yah. I understood you the first time. That’s why I said I stand corrected. You seem kinda wired up; too much coffee?
I actually just stopped Crossfit and started the ThenX program a couple weeks ago.
Brian Williams welcome to the club yo!!
I'm halfway through my free month, but I really do agree with most of the things he said. Why did you quit?
Alex M I stopped Crossfit for a few reasons; time, money, and goals shifting towards more body weight skills. The place I was going to was actually more technique focused than other Crossfit gyms I’ve worked out at and the coaching was good but Chris did sum up the mentality of the competition side of things well. I’ve been humbled by my true lack of strength starting this program and will be super stoked once I get my one arm pulls down.
Like what the video stated. Crossfit isn't bad, just the box you were apart of was. But Thenx is the truth though.
ZerotoHero like I said in an above reply to Adam M. My box was good. I had been at other bad places but the one I just left was and is a good place. Changing goals and circumstances are why I left but I am glad I found ThenX as it’s exactly what I was looking for.
Great explanation without hating on it ,love the way you couldn’t allow yourself bad form on kipping pull ups you slowed down the last eccentric part to stop possible injury 👍that’s result of good training like your talking about right there .
be able to one arm pull-up is my life long dream...
Dunno if that makes sense but i could do them in middle school without proper training because i just was so damn light. I can't do them anymore though...
Lol I can do em (but just 2 reps)
@Bill P i simply installed a pull up bar on my kitchen door frame. So whenever i get a snack i just do pull ups until i can't anymore
Just try.. I started with calisthenic 5 months ago and i can do them
@iodineclip
If you want to learn this you should try the negative version of that (you simply go from the top to the bottom as slow as you can. It helps a lot, you can also help yourself with that movement on a machine or using rubbers).
Good luck and comment when you succes it!
Bro good vid, quick question were you created in final fantasy?
😂😂
I hope chris reads this and laughs at himself
lmao
You are my role model bro. So calm and collected when explaining with proper reason and no arrogance. Quality content wish only the best for you g .
Talking and demonstrating at the same time without the annoying dog breathing that others do makes me appreciate this human. Thank you 🙏
Wow! This is exactly why I follow you. I keep struggling with other trainers in the gym who keep training their students to do things as fast as they can. Wrong, wrong, wrong. The technique is everything! I'm sharing this right away!
thanks for supporting!
This is the best way to sum up this topic:
1. The google definition is either incorrect or people who say they are doing cross fit are incorrect.
2. There is no problem in training cross fit if your goal is to be good at cross fit.
3. Do not make cross fit training your priority if you are trying to get good at calisthenics.
I don't understand why there is so much hate and confusion. They are totally different forms of training.
Crossfit Competition ultimate cheating and showing the wrong examples of form and training programs to people thats the problem, why is so hard for you to understand
Ultimate cheating in what? Crossfit has rules.. their athletes follow those rules. Why is THAT so hard for you to understand?
I worked in an ER and crossfit is a good way to expose bone
..the shade in this post :@))
Ouch!! I can imagine the injuries you see from people going that fast doing some of these exercises.
Not to mention blown tendon and a broken vertebrae
so is a car wreck........ im sure youve seen those also
Clarify, please. Are you saying the high definition of muscles or the thinness of flesh, as seen in Chris in the video, results in significantly less protection for bone?
Slow is smooth, smooth is fast. Something to live by. If you try doing something fast the wrong way, you make the journey longer and harder. Take your time and do it right, soon enough, you won’t even notice how slow you’re going because speed is t what your going for. Anyway, I love your videos. I just recently subscribed maybe about 3 weeks ago and Ive been watching your videos everyday since 🙌🏼
You are my inspiration, really !
Good job being first
This was the first comment
YoloFelo I got the notification 51 seconds late
Same here
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Really good, don’t sacrifice form over repetitions!
exactly
hngo you have to for it to be crossfit or else it's just circuit training.
hngo Mechanics Consistency Intensity 3 tenants of crossfit methodology. A Kipping pull-up- is a different move and for a different purpose than a strict pull-up, so is a butterfly pull-up. The Kipping is part of a progression a kip is a very natural move and transfers into many other movements-a muscle-up being one of them. A butterfly pull-up is considered a third wave adaptation and is not considered functional but merely a way to move efficiently and quickly. It takes a lot of coordination and strength proper form is crucial. To help you understand look at the overhead presses;The strict press, the push press and the push jerk. Each had a different purpose and the push and the jerk involve using the lower extremities to generate force to the upper extremities. A push press is quite literally a Kipping press but you don’t hear anyone hating on a push or a jerk for making it easier on your arms or allowing you to move faster. Also, it is virtually mandatory to to teach a strict move before any dynamic moves are incorporated. Some instructors break this rule but it is not CF methodology. I hope this helps.
I think this was a great video even though I love crossfit and am training to compete at young age, but you are respectful and make great points! However though, I think that there are a lot of crossfitters and boxes who don't just do this, we focus on strength and technique a lot as well. But you're right about it though, it's just that you've got to know that we do strict and controlled as well, kipping pullups are used for metcons and conditioning
I did CrossFit for 2 years and while the progression in some exercises was worth it, my lower back got fucked up because of the focus on speed over technique at times. It was really telling for me when 2 of the best trainers of the gym I was going to decided to ditch CrossFit when they opened their own gym, because that company wouldn't want to be associated with proper, healthy workout, lol
Why did I just now find your RUclips channel?! This is amazing!
thanks for watching!
You have good points but unfortunately it's all dependant on which cross fit box/gym you attend...
Where I go...the coaches are amazing and will not let you advance until you have good form in everything you do. They wouldn't even let me attempt muscle ups before they knew I wouldn't injure myself! 9 months later I got a muscle up!
Great video
Andrew Devine my thoughts exactly
You have people at ur gym that determine what exercises (presumably at what weight) you can and cannot do? No wonder people who do crossfit look like shit and have zero strength. Your being capped in how far you can go with your training.
I agree with this. It comes down to the box, and the coach....
You mean coaches like every other professional and olympic sport? Wow you are an idiot for making that comment. Professional crossfitters all have their private coaches and trainers, do they look like shit and have zero strength?
Riley Lambourn you’re not capped, you are made to progress in a way that allows you to have proper form and technique before you max out your weight. I just started cross fit about 2 months ago. I am in no way an expert but my coaches are there every step of the way, guiding my progression so I’m not hurting myself and I’m learning each exercise with the proper form and technique. It’s not about limiting what you can do, it’s about guiding your progression. They help me determine what weight I can handle that will still allow me to keep proper form, so I can progress and add more weight.
It obviously depends on your coaches and the gym you go to, but mine is amazing, and does not limit you, the guide and encourage you.
I expected "hate" and got knowledge. 👍🏾 good video.
Steven Carter
incorrect knowledge. Crossfit teaches strict pull ups. this guy is trolling. kipping is only used in competition for amraps racing against other competitors. no strain or jerking motions in kipping either. more of a flow like swinging on a swing set.
@GLCDragons hahaha
I dunno... After watching Cross Fit Games, they do call them "Chest-to-Bar PULL-UPS"... At the "Muscle-Up" portion of their games, they did the same exact thing.. Kipping pull ups to Muscle ups.
Its just so weird how their competitions really is just a contest on doing the certain amount of each exercise as fast as possible, like a race rather than actually doing any of their exercises with proper form. I mean like, yea sure those people competing in Cross Fit Games are definitely strong and worked hard to get there. Much respect to that. But with my personal opinion, i'd rather follow Chris Heria's advice on maintaining proper form rather than doing 1000x Cross Fit Pullups in a minute.
MagusFyre well crossfit does teach strict pull ups in training. But in competition when racing opponents, speed and fatigue will destroy form even for this guy. Im sure thats why we dont see him at the crossfit games winning the title as fittest man in the world. No instead he hides on youtube bashing crossfit with incorrect statements.
Usually when I train, ill mix crossfit with bodybuilding program and trying my best to avoid all the cheat form. To be honest, I couldn't perform the kipping pull up efficiently so I go with the regular pull ups. I found its actually helps you get fitter and stronger personally.
In my opinion, Thenx always share important information on bodyweight training, no doubt on his opinion in crossfit. Also, you may change to a correct form for those kipping movement to get yourself better.