So basically, the only time you want to do kipping pull-ups is when you are competing in Crossfit. Other than that, there is no reason to ever do kipping pull-ups. That's what I understood.
The fact that this guy can really do kipping pullups perfectly and with great form (best seen when in slow motion) and stilll looks ridiculous says a lot about this thing.
Perhaps we can all agree HIIT training is good, lifting weights and doing calisthenics is good, and doing things with good form is good. I think Crossfit has a good exercise selection for all this, but I could never defend the kipping pullup. No other fitness community uses it. No educated S&C coach uses them for sports athletes.
strict doesnt equal quality, just saying that kipping only benefits competition is dumb and simplistic, like saying u should only do push ups OR hs pu's OR one hand pu's, but not the 3 or more the same as doing strict lifts, pressing instead of jerking, when its obvious that u can lift more if u use momentum and if u get injured while kipping u r not doing it correctly, so u suck at it and should improve that too
@@neoskhaos Actually, strict does mean quality. No swings, no kicks, minimal momentum and energy leaks in whichever loose joint not being tightened up, and finally keeping all body parts where they need to be during the entirety of the rep, slow and steady (okay, not necessarily slow). All these things give you best stress on the muscles with minimal risk of injury. I would like to hear your argument as to why this is not the case.
@@neoskhaos Push press/jerk is not the same as kipping because of force prodution. Kipping can have its place, but you might as well spend your time on strict pullups.
The kipping isn't made for training, they're made for competition to maximise results under the given ruleset. People who don't plan to compete in CrossFit don't need to concern themselves with kipping pullups.
Bullshit! Some people workout to increase their endurance, not strength. Then butterfly pull ups are better. This is the same difference like between overhead press and jerks. Crossfit is endurance sport.
Would be as simple as changing the rules of those so called competitions and not allow kipping. Safer for the athletes and les humiliation for the sport
@Peter Hofmann Grow up Peter. Based on the number of stupid replies you have posted against this video, clearly your love of Crossfit has blinded you to the reality of the "sport". In its current state, Crossfit IS an absolute joke. Their competitions include calisthenics movements, yet don't enforce form, and their lifting events are all light-weight-high-reps. Crossfit is the Steeplechase of lifting, but the people doing it behave like it's "serious business" and have an ego the size of a skyscraper. Sure the competitions are tiring, any compound-lift/fitness event will be tiring, but if you can win a Crossfit comp and be crap at each individual event. If you win a deadlift comp, you've established that you're the guy with the strongest deadlift in your area, for your class. If you win a Crossfit comp, you've established that you're the guy who can do '25 butterfly pullups, 25 clean and jerks not touching the ground and with 10kg plates on the bar, 25 burpees, etc'. It's just a random bunch of exercises turned into an event by linking them with a clock. It's a recipe for developing injuries, bad form and it doesn't promote the goal of making you strong as you can be, due to the need to get used to rushing movements.
Ive been doing calisthenics for over 3 years and when i went to the crossfit gym i couldnt believe the monstrosity i witnessed with everybody looking like they had a seizure
@@alexsanchez1081 yeah what im saying is other people just laugh and say crossfit pullups are bad, but dont explain why, but calisthenicmovement actually did explain why
@@lukecamus5871 Calisthenicmovement just framed it in a nice way. They still think it's idiotic to do kipping pull-ups (unless, of course like specified, you do competitions, which very few people do)
To be fair, even this video is basically making fun of Crossfit pullups. The only pro they could think of is that you can get do more reps with kipping.
@@shayden598 There is nothing wrong with crossfit, just skip the butterfly pull ups. When I have to do non strict pull ups, I do the kipping ones (not the butterfly), which are pretty easy to do and is almost impossible to get injured since the rotation in the shoulder during the movement is basically the same as a regular pull up, as shown in the video. That being said, if I had to do pull ups in 10 reps or less, I always do the strict ones because there was a time when I was leaving strict pull ups behing to do the kipping ones only and I lost a lot of strengh in the back, and I realize because for me rowing was harder everyday. Now back to strict pull ups, and rowing starts to feel like a breeze again.
@@SuperLisandro86 there is something wrong with cross fit, you just proved it. Hey guys lets do a bunch of exercises( some of which are pointless or dangerous) in a rushed competition style. You know people are competing in class. even when its just a class day, trying to out do or keep up with others encourages people to do exercise when they lose their form from exhastion and they should quit or rest. Also the fact that they push this crap pull up should tell you that the industry is not truely concerned with health and well being, but do what you want. Honestly tho be careful and continue to use your head if you choose to stay in crossfit.
In crossfit you do pull ups to complete a workout not for strength or aesthetics. It makes a lot of sense to conserve energy any way you can in crossfit.
The player chooses to play the game. It doesn't matter what the rules are, the player is the only one with agency-- so they're the only one to blame for their choices. Are the rules going to be injured for life?
Very informative! I didn’t realize the difference between kipping and butterfly pull-ups. Not realizing the difference between them was causing confusion for me.
shawny for CrossFit competitions. He’s saying you can train to be good at this kind of pull-up but training to be good at the strict pull-ups is better in every single way except for being able to do more kipping pull-ups. So train a useless movement to get better at a useless movement or train to get better at a much more practical and smart way to grow stronger and gain size if you do them right. And before you ask, yes I can do a pull-up. I can do quite a few actually very slow controlled reps with more than a 45 lb weight. Since apparently to you the only thing that matters is anecdote and not scientific evidence that kipping is terrible. I think that’s what you’re trying to say at least
@@thelocdesiringentryintoyou3686 Ok so...it seems like you didn't get the video. He is saying that kipping is for COMPETITION. He never said to practice it for strength or power or whatever. In the video he said that kipping was is used for the purpose of the CrossFit games, he also said that in order for you to be able to do kipping, strict pull ups are a prerequisite. Hence anyone with a brain would conclude that ALL crossfitters CAN do strict pullups, I mean what is wrong with you? Look at CrossFit athletes, they are fit and well built, do you really think they can't do a pull up? Stop being a dumbass like the clown above.
That’s why I always tell everyone that you are the best fitness guru!! You explain so well in the level that almost all will understand. ❤️ Whenever I do something wrong and my trainer/my boyfriend would correct me, I am too stubborn to listen and shut him off. Then he would answer me with these simple words, “If the German guys will correct you, will you answer them that way?” Then finally I will listen. Haha!
@ukguy yea mate never try those crossfire pull ups if you have a torn rotator cuff those crossfire pull ups will fuck you up when more then what you are already
Elbows too, damn I dropped from a pullup too fast yesterday and I'm still feeling uncomfortable in the joint. I can't even imagine the long term damages these pullups would do to the joints.
I really like how you bring your chest all the way up to the bar when doing your pull-ups. I've always finished my reps by having my chin go over the bar, but I might try it this way next workout.
@@TheRedDaren I received a free trial membership at a CrossFit location. It's always good to feel a sense of community. Unless it is a cult. I obviously played competitive sports in college. The utter lack of technique was disturbing. I felt sorry for those who came to them with no prior athletic training. Those where the ones who got hurt the most and all the time. That being said. If you do have previous athletic training. You'll know what is right and wrong for your body like I did.
@Peter Hofmann You're right. I have already swollen certain parts of my left hand by doing chin-ups. Can't blame the exercise though. I have sensitive skin.
This dude at the gym was shit talking me because I did 20 pull ups. I said let me see you do better and he started doing Kippings. I said hold on jerkweed let me see you do a real pull up. He couldn't ever complete 5 clean pull ups. It just shows you all cross fit is, is lifting weight with momentum, not your actual muscles with control. The Kpping is a fucking joke because 50% of the pullup is momentum.
I would bet 20e he's the one who built it for everyone to use and get into the calisthenics. To get something back to community where he lives...I am thinking to do such a thing because I would like to start calisthenics but as I see it , I would need to invest in such park myself instead of city council to get one.
@Peter Hofmann i agree...my main problem with crossfit is that whilst some crossfit athletes can do moves strict a very good majority of athletes don't, they haven't the strength to do anything strict and that's what makes crossfit unfortunate. also kipping always makes a movement easier. anyhow crossfit is here to stay regardless
mandla kei lol not just some athletes😅 every competitive CrossFit athlete would have a large strict strength base and more then likely a bigger strict strength base then all the keyboard warriors on this comments section. You don’t think that people can just walk straight into a CrossFit gym and do 50 unbroken Kipling pull ups without being able to do a handful of strict ones!? Being good at strict pull ups helps build the strength and muscle endurance to do large sets of Kipping ones
@@clintiacuone1703 that still proves my point though because there are far more beginners and but a handful of pros.... in every sport, for every elite athlete there are probably 100000 "beginners" doing bullcrack even in calisthenics
Kipping pullups are about creating a more efficient movement pattern to complete the work. Raising your body up to the top of the bar. Think: Overhead press vs push jerk Olympic weightlifting is about putting the maximum weight over head. Pressing strictly would provide all the benefits you mentioned of strict pullups. Why don't people do it? because its not the best way to get more weight overhead.
The problems come when they market it as an legit exercise, and regular people in class, with no real intention of competing, are being taught to do only the kipping versions and it's not just that, it's push press over regular press, and high reps of already risky, competition only heavy lifting like cleans, snatch, and even deadlift
Thanks for the heads up El Eggs. I would rather practice my pull ups using body-weight rows, negative pull ups, cat hang pull ups, or jackknife pull ups. They all can add resistance with moderate intensity.
Thanks for giving your non-biased opinion and information on this exercise. Many people just make fun of it and call it stupid, however just because an exercise looks weird or ridiculous doesn't mean it actually isn't beneficial. After watch this video I am pretty sure I will not be trying the kipping pull up anytime soon
This is the nicest way anyone could've ever explained why are crossfit pull ups bad for you, unless you are doing CrossFit competitions (which I respect of course, but I'd change this rule into: No fish kipping pull ups).Those who disliked this are either people who hate anything related to Street Workout/Calisthenics, CrossFit athletes who are full of their ego or again, CrossFit athletes who cannot accept honest and well explained criticism.
When it comes to doing as many pull ups as possible in a defined time period, it is challenging to maintain perfect form. Probably all athletes will start to do a slight pull with their legs to get the chin over the bar when getting tired. For a competition it is hard to define what exactly still counts as strict and distinguish between a using slightly bent hip to maintain balance and a cheat rep where you use your abs and hip flexor to support the upward movement. So I understand why they chose to only demand extended arms and the chin over the bar as criteria, although I would love to see the athletes doing nice strict pull ups at the crossfit games.
I could say the same for anyone who like the video vice versa. Thats not true and its one perspective most people dont have the technique to perform gymnastic elements so yes people would look dumb. There is no evidence people get injured, thats just an biased opinion based on zero facts (your friend who once did crossfit and hurt himself is not evidence) the people who criticize dont train in a crossfit gym, and dont perform any of the elements.
Absolute truth. I mainly do CrossFit and only do the kipping and butterfly pull ups during metcon (when it doesn't say strict). I always tell others to establish strict pullup strength first before attempting to do kipping and butterflies. Other than that I train with strict pullups for strength, endurance and efficiency. PS: For bashers, never underestimate professional CrossFit athletes. You don't have an idea how much strength they have on calisthenics and most especially olympic lifting.
@@kdta91 , Pro crossfitters are rare. Crossfit could've dominated the strict pullup. Would you use the kipping pullup to train sports athletes, soldiers, and people just trying to get healthy? If it wasn't popularized, would you still do them?
Great video! Loved to watch it! BTW in CrossFit we use the Strict Pull Up for strength, and the Kipping / Butterfly Pull Up for endurance. Amazing video!!! 💪
Great content as always, would be really interested to see a video regarding supersets within calisthenics workouts, in regards to how to pair them for specific goals such as strength or muscle building, or whether they should be used at all in a calisthenics workout as they feature so many compound movements. I find the useful as it cuts my workout times in half but would be very interested on your take on it.
I will say that when watching the crossfit games it is kind of neat to see a side view of all the competitors doing "pull-ups" and just how they all look like pistons of an engine. Other than that I always felt like it was a cheap movement. Great Video!!
I kind of agree with the baseline of the video. On another hand, I do feel some context is missing and there are some missed benefits of the kipping pullups that are overlooked: - On a crossfit session, you have a "work on strength and technique" section as well as a "sport"/"game" part We never have kipping pull-ups showing on workouts without doing some strict pullups and shoulder mobility exercises first... Should you not run or play tennis, unless you compete, as it is not good for your joints!? - Kipping while not great for strength is great as a skill...I see benefits there for things like learning to control your body, optimize movement patterns, coordination... Gymnasts are super athletes and they are masters in using momentum....why do we hate that in crossfit but not in gymnastics? Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of examples of people doing momentum-based movements without establishing a proper skills and strength baseline first. In the same fashion, you can find loads of examples of people doing calisthenics or bodybuilding exercises (or any other sport for that matter) without proper technique and fundamentals. People have egos (myself included) and we are all at risk of taking bad decisions when working out or playing a sport because of it. Love your content btw!
This is my issue with crossfit in general. It started out as a way to get into shape. Then it turned into a competition on who works out the fastest. My wife joined the crossfit cult two years ago. I'll be the first to say, she looks great. She's 37 and the mother of three kids, and she has the body of a 20 year old. That being said, I've seen her working out many times. I've noticed it's always quantity over quality. I honestly worry about the day she comes home with a life changing injury. "I play real sports, I'm not trying to be the best at working out"- Kenny Powers
Great video and I applaud your professionalism. It's rare to see a video about crossfit that isn't talking all the shit. I'm not a crossfit fan at all but I can't help but wonder why some things are done the way they are and you helped me understand but I still don't like it but I'll be a little less critical moving forward!
I used to do Crossfit, especially gymnastics classes. We used kipping pullups as a technical exercise that's part of a progression to muscle ups, going through chest to bar and butterfly pullups. They were only done by athletes who could do 10 strict form pullups and had good swinging technique, and everyone did strict or weighted pullups as well as a strength exercise. I didn't see anyone get injured when following these guidelines, but then again I was lucky to have a trainer who didn't make us take risks just to feel hardcore. And of course the main reason we trained it is that it's part of Crossfit competitions.
Good analysis. I am an 11 year crossfitter and love it.....but I do agree that there are some very valid criticisms. With regards to the pullups, Glassman stated several .months ago his regret on teaching thr kipping pullups. Doing the strict pullups vs kip is by far the better strength building movment.
Crossfit culture could've crushed the strict pullup in utilization. The kipping pullup just isn't a necessary exercise. It's removal would not degrade anything. The kip itself is important (hollow body position, gymnastic, MU work, etc), but not for strength and/or metcons.
Kipping looks like hell on your joints. I LOVE lifting, but I’m not the type to ego lift or do things that can harm my structural integrity. One body for one life. Gotta take care of yourself. CrossFit challenges people incredibly, no doubt, but I just don’t see it as a long term sustainable regimen for general well being. I mean we’ve all seen the crazy power cleans on bosu balls. They just do crazy stuff
I was told the kipping/butterfly pull-ups done is CrossFit is not for beguiling strength but a using the upper body to build cardiovascular endurance. It may be look “easier” but one may not complete the required reps in the limited time because the heart and lungs cannot keep it. Different purpose, different approach.
Exactly it is whiplash! Terrible technique and strain on the shoulders and neck. No tension in the core can cause injury or hernias through the ABS and abdomen and other injuries to the back and shoulders if the core is not tense during the motion
The only reason to do these kind of "pull ups" is when you have perfect technique and want to do as much pull ups as possible. So you don't have reason to do them
Matt Mitchell except there is tension in the core... you move between the hollow and arch positions which require a tight core... probably should know the ins and outs of the movement if your trying to prove how silly it is🤣
Show me a Crossfit athlete who hurt him-/herself doing butterflies (except maybe hitting the nose or slipping from the bar). The only time I damaged my lats was when I did a muscle-up after a workout, not from butterflies. At our box, there are at least 20 people who can do butterfly pullups and many have been doing them for years. I don't know of anyone who injured him-/herself. Also, it's not just for competition - it turns the pullup into a half-strength, half-cardio exercise (try the exercise "Fran" and you'll know what I mean). It's simply a different exercise. Plus - yes - it's faster. JFYI - as 19.3 Crossfit Open competition shows (incl. 50 strict HSPU), the CF community also trains strict movements. Variety of exercises isn't a bad thing, and should include both strict and kipping - admittedly in that order and not the other way around, in terms of skills development!
So basically, the only time you want to do kipping pull-ups is when you are competing in Crossfit. Other than that, there is no reason to ever do kipping pull-ups. That's what I understood.
And if you wanna brag about how many pull-ups you can do!
@@skorpanlejonhjarta5897 lol yeah, until someone asks you to prove it
Exactly brother. Amen to that.
@Peter Hofmann lol just joking around :-p
Or when you want to smash your head into the bar real hard.
That's what I would do, probably, but not on purpose
The most polite critique I yet have to come by
That's the reason why I got to the comments
I was about to write the same comment.
@Matt Edge 🤣
@Peter Hofmann *Time for another World War*
They are German... What did u expect? XDD
I can see that guilt on your face when u are doing kipping pullups lol
rhythm 01 😂😂😂😂
Roflmao
I was thinking the same thing.
The fact that this guy can really do kipping pullups perfectly and with great form (best seen when in slow motion) and stilll looks ridiculous says a lot about this thing.
Great form? That’s not even form!
3:00 "Of course this makes no sense in many points like health, strength and muscle development...."
*Me : "Say no more."*
Perhaps we can all agree HIIT training is good, lifting weights and doing calisthenics is good, and doing things with good form is good. I think Crossfit has a good exercise selection for all this, but I could never defend the kipping pullup. No other fitness community uses it. No educated S&C coach uses them for sports athletes.
strict doesnt equal quality, just saying that kipping only benefits competition is dumb and simplistic, like saying u should only do push ups OR hs pu's OR one hand pu's, but not the 3 or more
the same as doing strict lifts, pressing instead of jerking, when its obvious that u can lift more if u use momentum
and if u get injured while kipping u r not doing it correctly, so u suck at it and should improve that too
@@neoskhaos Actually, strict does mean quality. No swings, no kicks, minimal momentum and energy leaks in whichever loose joint not being tightened up, and finally keeping all body parts where they need to be during the entirety of the rep, slow and steady (okay, not necessarily slow).
All these things give you best stress on the muscles with minimal risk of injury. I would like to hear your argument as to why this is not the case.
@@neoskhaos Push press/jerk is not the same as kipping because of force prodution. Kipping can have its place, but you might as well spend your time on strict pullups.
i do kipping as the last part of my warm up, then strict. it doesnt have to be one or the other. @@beansofhorrorshalashaska6987
It's very disturbing to watch Crossfit pull up
It's like having an epilepsy seizure in every second half of a rep during a pull up :D So ridiculous...
Riiiiight
it sickens me
Looks like a fish outside water 😂
The issue is comparing them at all. They each have very different outcomes. It's like comparing squats to jogging.
Orthopedic surgeons and PTs licking their chops when they see crossfitters
That goes for any competetive sport though. All of them are way accross the mark of healthy exercise.
@@Fandrir lol no
@@Fandrir he wrote resting his phone on his beer gut
@@dog-jk2hn What do you think the point i was making with my comment was?
0:01 Infinite Elgintensity was here 🥃
Ill admit it, I'm a fanof the trap master. Zero!!!🏋️♂️
The Trap commander and his legion of trolls lol
What a grand total of ZEROO
@@gersainc. it’s not trolling if you’re correct
@@jgzero18 true hahaha
Quality over quantity, always! :)
Nice winte workout motivation dude! Definitely your channel deserves more subs.
Yep, I’d rather do 10 to 12 strict form pull-ups than 100 shit form ones
The kipping isn't made for training, they're made for competition to maximise results under the given ruleset. People who don't plan to compete in CrossFit don't need to concern themselves with kipping pullups.
Bullshit! Some people workout to increase their endurance, not strength. Then butterfly pull ups are better. This is the same difference like between overhead press and jerks. Crossfit is endurance sport.
Ya
I’ll stick to conventional
I’m sure the shoulders and elbows will be great in ten yrs from this
“Right babe”
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My initial answer: Yes
Watches video: I was right
VidyVid LOL YES!!
1:43 "The strict pull up is king when it comes to building muscle and strength."
cool, next video.
This comment tho... 👌
Would be as simple as changing the rules of those so called competitions and not allow kipping. Safer for the athletes and les humiliation for the sport
Correct!
a speed limit in motor racing? Why not, it would be much safer and drivers constantly learn the basics ;)
@Peter Hofmann Grow up Peter. Based on the number of stupid replies you have posted against this video, clearly your love of Crossfit has blinded you to the reality of the "sport". In its current state, Crossfit IS an absolute joke. Their competitions include calisthenics movements, yet don't enforce form, and their lifting events are all light-weight-high-reps. Crossfit is the Steeplechase of lifting, but the people doing it behave like it's "serious business" and have an ego the size of a skyscraper.
Sure the competitions are tiring, any compound-lift/fitness event will be tiring, but if you can win a Crossfit comp and be crap at each individual event. If you win a deadlift comp, you've established that you're the guy with the strongest deadlift in your area, for your class. If you win a Crossfit comp, you've established that you're the guy who can do '25 butterfly pullups, 25 clean and jerks not touching the ground and with 10kg plates on the bar, 25 burpees, etc'. It's just a random bunch of exercises turned into an event by linking them with a clock. It's a recipe for developing injuries, bad form and it doesn't promote the goal of making you strong as you can be, due to the need to get used to rushing movements.
@@pmodd i SMASHED the LIKE button so hard mate!
Because crossfitters steal every movement from other workouts...change them without any purpose.
Congratulations for staying professional and not shredding this to pieces.
He totally did shred it to pieces
Adam Popowski Those are not mutually exclusive. He did both in this video.
He professionally shredded it to pieces
He shredded it while looking totally shredded
Ive been doing calisthenics for over 3 years and when i went to the crossfit gym i couldnt believe the monstrosity i witnessed with everybody looking like they had a seizure
Haha
I did these kinds of "pullups" when i was like 12 and can do like 15 and thought i was so cool and strong lmao
Everyone just makes fun of crossfit pullups and then calisthenicmovement comes along and genuinely critiques and analyses the pros and cons
What calisthenicmovement did wasn't any different from what you'd see elsewhere on RUclips.
@@alexsanchez1081 yeah what im saying is other people just laugh and say crossfit pullups are bad, but dont explain why, but calisthenicmovement actually did explain why
@@lukecamus5871 Calisthenicmovement just framed it in a nice way. They still think it's idiotic to do kipping pull-ups (unless, of course like specified, you do competitions, which very few people do)
To be fair, even this video is basically making fun of Crossfit pullups. The only pro they could think of is that you can get do more reps with kipping.
There’s nothing to make fun of, really. All the PTs I know (admittedly, not many) are very leery of CrossFit because of how many injuries they see.
So... Kipping pull ups are that bad after all
Yup. Dont do crossfit kids
@@shayden598 There is nothing wrong with crossfit, just skip the butterfly pull ups. When I have to do non strict pull ups, I do the kipping ones (not the butterfly), which are pretty easy to do and is almost impossible to get injured since the rotation in the shoulder during the movement is basically the same as a regular pull up, as shown in the video. That being said, if I had to do pull ups in 10 reps or less, I always do the strict ones because there was a time when I was leaving strict pull ups behing to do the kipping ones only and I lost a lot of strengh in the back, and I realize because for me rowing was harder everyday. Now back to strict pull ups, and rowing starts to feel like a breeze again.
They’re just pointless.
@@SuperLisandro86 there is something wrong with cross fit, you just proved it. Hey guys lets do a bunch of exercises( some of which are pointless or dangerous) in a rushed competition style. You know people are competing in class. even when its just a class day, trying to out do or keep up with others encourages people to do exercise when they lose their form from exhastion and they should quit or rest. Also the fact that they push this crap pull up should tell you that the industry is not truely concerned with health and well being, but do what you want. Honestly tho be careful and continue to use your head if you choose to stay in crossfit.
In crossfit you do pull ups to complete a workout not for strength or aesthetics. It makes a lot of sense to conserve energy any way you can in crossfit.
This guys videos are like a textbook. It’s amazing.
Where did you find an outdoor gym to match your legendary outfit?!
looks like fish out of water
@Peter Hofmann "Watch out guys, I heard he can do the 'dying fish'!"
Magicarp used Kipping! Nothing happened.
Nikhil Shrestha Yeah, a dying fish...
@@Dannnneh oh no ! I was about to do that !
Saw this comment like 100 times yo so original...
Don't blame the player! Blame the rules!
i remember training pal for a moment.
@@ZhuGeLiang6969 Yes. Miss his humor :))
the player trains for the rules
The player chooses to play the game. It doesn't matter what the rules are, the player is the only one with agency-- so they're the only one to blame for their choices. Are the rules going to be injured for life?
... blame the rules...
- Trainer: today's game is "let's break an arm".
- CrossFitters: Ok, let's do it!
0:00 zero zero zerow! haha! the start really cracked me up hard! I had to pause for a moment to laugh some more! LOL!
Very informative! I didn’t realize the difference between kipping and butterfly pull-ups. Not realizing the difference between them was causing confusion for me.
Biggest benefits of crossfit pull ups......
People laugh at you.
Benefit & profit goes to chiropractor
Amogh pratap singh and destroy your joints.
Did you even watch the video? The kipping pull-up is for competition dumbass. Can you even do a pull up?
shawny for CrossFit competitions. He’s saying you can train to be good at this kind of pull-up but training to be good at the strict pull-ups is better in every single way except for being able to do more kipping pull-ups. So train a useless movement to get better at a useless movement or train to get better at a much more practical and smart way to grow stronger and gain size if you do them right. And before you ask, yes I can do a pull-up. I can do quite a few actually very slow controlled reps with more than a 45 lb weight. Since apparently to you the only thing that matters is anecdote and not scientific evidence that kipping is terrible. I think that’s what you’re trying to say at least
@@thelocdesiringentryintoyou3686 Ok so...it seems like you didn't get the video. He is saying that kipping is for COMPETITION. He never said to practice it for strength or power or whatever. In the video he said that kipping was is used for the purpose of the CrossFit games, he also said that in order for you to be able to do kipping, strict pull ups are a prerequisite. Hence anyone with a brain would conclude that ALL crossfitters CAN do strict pullups, I mean what is wrong with you? Look at CrossFit athletes, they are fit and well built, do you really think they can't do a pull up? Stop being a dumbass like the clown above.
I am seeing these guys i.e (El Eggs and Sven) for the past 1and half years and I know what they are doing. They are an absolute talent in this field.
Clearly explained without mocking a school of thought you don’t agree with. Well done! We need more of this on the internet.
It's an insult to thought to call crosshit a school of thought.
That’s why I always tell everyone that you are the best fitness guru!! You explain so well in the level that almost all will understand. ❤️ Whenever I do something wrong and my trainer/my boyfriend would correct me, I am too stubborn to listen and shut him off. Then he would answer me with these simple words, “If the German guys will correct you, will you answer them that way?” Then finally I will listen. Haha!
I already had a rotator cuff tear.. no way I am doing those dodgy crossfit pull ups.
@ukguy yea mate never try those crossfire pull ups if you have a torn rotator cuff those crossfire pull ups will fuck you up when more then what you are already
hurt my shoulder watching this
And my back
@@PietroSalles spinal
Elbows too, damn I dropped from a pullup too fast yesterday and I'm still feeling uncomfortable in the joint. I can't even imagine the long term damages these pullups would do to the joints.
The man does the exercises so clean they actually look like exercises
I really like how you bring your chest all the way up to the bar when doing your pull-ups. I've always finished my reps by having my chin go over the bar, but I might try it this way next workout.
Thank you So very much for your knowledge on proper form of pull-ups.
1:26 this seems like an excellent way for a person to accidentally give themselves an uppercut via pull-up bar. #Shoryuken
Lmao
That's the only reason i like seeing these crossfit pull ups in hope to see one idiot uppercut himself in the chin
@@bluehornet197 😂😂
Great video! How informative and fair! Your videos are really informative and with no bull sh@£! Thanks for the awesome content 👍
you guys bring it on the point as always!
i did crossfit and trained with the kipping pull ups and they hurt my lower back...
Butterfly kipping pull ups are the best.
At tearing holes your hands.
Ké mais t'a pas rapp el gros
@Peter Hofmann atleast they achieve something
@@TheRedDaren I received a free trial membership at a CrossFit location. It's always good to feel a sense of community. Unless it is a cult. I obviously played competitive sports in college. The utter lack of technique was disturbing. I felt sorry for those who came to them with no prior athletic training. Those where the ones who got hurt the most and all the time. That being said. If you do have previous athletic training. You'll know what is right and wrong for your body like I did.
@Peter Hofmann and shoulder strain
@Peter Hofmann You're right. I have already swollen certain parts of my left hand by doing chin-ups. Can't blame the exercise though. I have sensitive skin.
Your videos are always very informative! Thank you!
This dude at the gym was shit talking me because I did 20 pull ups. I said let me see you do better and he started doing Kippings. I said hold on jerkweed let me see you do a real pull up. He couldn't ever complete 5 clean pull ups. It just shows you all cross fit is, is lifting weight with momentum, not your actual muscles with control. The Kpping is a fucking joke because 50% of the pullup is momentum.
Great video. The only time i've seen someone explaining a crossfit movement, without the hate. Thanks.
This park really goes well with your shorts! You should get one for yourself! 😅
Good video as always! 🙏
I would bet 20e he's the one who built it for everyone to use and get into the calisthenics. To get something back to community where he lives...I am thinking to do such a thing because I would like to start calisthenics but as I see it , I would need to invest in such park myself instead of city council to get one.
No, that park is in Portugal, I know it wasn't him :)
You should try to push them, probably they will accept your project :)
How many blue shorts you have...
All
Just one...
Haha
neel rang ke pant.
One, it's legendary so it probably cleans itself over night.
Thank you for the great advice...I really enjoy your channel.
You guys are the best ,such a scientific explanation to every movement 😘😘😘
I wanna see someone going to a crossfit competition and doing all the exercises the right way just to piss off the competitors and judges
problem is they would lose.... also crossfit only cheats on gymnastic movements but their olympic lifts, squats and overhead presses are clean
@Peter Hofmann i agree...my main problem with crossfit is that whilst some crossfit athletes can do moves strict a very good majority of athletes don't, they haven't the strength to do anything strict and that's what makes crossfit unfortunate. also kipping always makes a movement easier. anyhow crossfit is here to stay regardless
mandla kei lol not just some athletes😅 every competitive CrossFit athlete would have a large strict strength base and more then likely a bigger strict strength base then all the keyboard warriors on this comments section. You don’t think that people can just walk straight into a CrossFit gym and do 50 unbroken Kipling pull ups without being able to do a handful of strict ones!? Being good at strict pull ups helps build the strength and muscle endurance to do large sets of Kipping ones
@@clintiacuone1703 that still proves my point though because there are far more beginners and but a handful of pros.... in every sport, for every elite athlete there are probably 100000 "beginners" doing bullcrack even in calisthenics
And still get more reps.
Kipping pullups are about creating a more efficient movement pattern to complete the work. Raising your body up to the top of the bar.
Think: Overhead press vs push jerk
Olympic weightlifting is about putting the maximum weight over head. Pressing strictly would provide all the benefits you mentioned of strict pullups. Why don't people do it? because its not the best way to get more weight overhead.
The problems come when they market it as an legit exercise, and regular people in class, with no real intention of competing, are being taught to do only the kipping versions and it's not just that, it's push press over regular press, and high reps of already risky, competition only heavy lifting like cleans, snatch, and even deadlift
Thanks for the heads up El Eggs. I would rather practice my pull ups using body-weight rows, negative pull ups, cat hang pull ups, or jackknife pull ups. They all can add resistance with moderate intensity.
Thanks for giving your non-biased opinion and information on this exercise. Many people just make fun of it and call it stupid, however just because an exercise looks weird or ridiculous doesn't mean it actually isn't beneficial. After watch this video I am pretty sure I will not be trying the kipping pull up anytime soon
The start had me dying
This is the nicest way anyone could've ever explained why are crossfit pull ups bad for you, unless you are doing CrossFit competitions (which I respect of course, but I'd change this rule into: No fish kipping pull ups).Those who disliked this are either people who hate anything related to Street Workout/Calisthenics, CrossFit athletes who are full of their ego or again, CrossFit athletes who cannot accept honest and well explained criticism.
They do not do any movement correctly, even the bike races are car crashes.
When it comes to doing as many pull ups as possible in a defined time period, it is challenging to maintain perfect form. Probably all athletes will start to do a slight pull with their legs to get the chin over the bar when getting tired. For a competition it is hard to define what exactly still counts as strict and distinguish between a using slightly bent hip to maintain balance and a cheat rep where you use your abs and hip flexor to support the upward movement. So I understand why they chose to only demand extended arms and the chin over the bar as criteria, although I would love to see the athletes doing nice strict pull ups at the crossfit games.
I could say the same for anyone who like the video vice versa. Thats not true and its one perspective most people dont have the technique to perform gymnastic elements so yes people would look dumb. There is no evidence people get injured, thats just an biased opinion based on zero facts (your friend who once did crossfit and hurt himself is not evidence) the people who criticize dont train in a crossfit gym, and dont perform any of the elements.
Absolute truth. I mainly do CrossFit and only do the kipping and butterfly pull ups during metcon (when it doesn't say strict). I always tell others to establish strict pullup strength first before attempting to do kipping and butterflies. Other than that I train with strict pullups for strength, endurance and efficiency.
PS: For bashers, never underestimate professional CrossFit athletes. You don't have an idea how much strength they have on calisthenics and most especially olympic lifting.
@@kdta91 , Pro crossfitters are rare. Crossfit could've dominated the strict pullup. Would you use the kipping pullup to train sports athletes, soldiers, and people just trying to get healthy? If it wasn't popularized, would you still do them?
Insane vid bro keep it up really helpful
video absolutely on point as always
Who's here because of Marjorie Taylor Greene?
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Kipping/butterfly tech are good for salmon ladder.
Great video! Loved to watch it! BTW in CrossFit we use the Strict Pull Up for strength, and the Kipping / Butterfly Pull Up for endurance.
Amazing video!!! 💪
I never do the kipping/butterfly pull ups during lessons.
Great video. My questions about the diferrence among this exercises are solved, Thanks a lot!!
Great content as always, would be really interested to see a video regarding supersets within calisthenics workouts, in regards to how to pair them for specific goals such as strength or muscle building, or whether they should be used at all in a calisthenics workout as they feature so many compound movements. I find the useful as it cuts my workout times in half but would be very interested on your take on it.
Calisthenics SuperSet video is already in the making.
@@calimove already ahead of the game, looking forward to it, thanks for the reply
CrossFit pull-ups also carry a high risk of looking like a dying fish on the bar
You are soooo to the point!!
Came here to witness the cleanest crossfit pull-ups ever done. Wasn't disappointed... Ihr seid der Hammer Jungs!
I will say that when watching the crossfit games it is kind of neat to see a side view of all the competitors doing "pull-ups" and just how they all look like pistons of an engine. Other than that I always felt like it was a cheap movement. Great Video!!
I kind of agree with the baseline of the video.
On another hand, I do feel some context is missing and there are some missed benefits of the kipping pullups that are overlooked:
- On a crossfit session, you have a "work on strength and technique" section as well as a "sport"/"game" part
We never have kipping pull-ups showing on workouts without doing some strict pullups and shoulder mobility exercises first...
Should you not run or play tennis, unless you compete, as it is not good for your joints!?
- Kipping while not great for strength is great as a skill...I see benefits there for things like learning to control your body, optimize movement patterns, coordination...
Gymnasts are super athletes and they are masters in using momentum....why do we hate that in crossfit but not in gymnastics?
Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of examples of people doing momentum-based movements without establishing a proper skills and strength baseline first.
In the same fashion, you can find loads of examples of people doing calisthenics or bodybuilding exercises (or any other sport for that matter) without proper technique and fundamentals.
People have egos (myself included) and we are all at risk of taking bad decisions when working out or playing a sport because of it.
Love your content btw!
strictly always...i learnt my techniques from this channel..thanks fellas
very classy video, explaining professionally how crap xfit movments are. ace vid!
I bet it was pretty embarresing recording this video out in public.
This is my issue with crossfit in general. It started out as a way to get into shape. Then it turned into a competition on who works out the fastest.
My wife joined the crossfit cult two years ago. I'll be the first to say, she looks great. She's 37 and the mother of three kids, and she has the body of a 20 year old. That being said, I've seen her working out many times. I've noticed it's always quantity over quality. I honestly worry about the day she comes home with a life changing injury.
"I play real sports, I'm not trying to be the best at working out"- Kenny Powers
Great summary:
Competitive crossfit: it's always quantity over quality.
don't insult the 20 year old.
That's all crossfit is. It's just sport, the techniques clearly aren't meant for building strength and endurance
Brilliant look into this thank you!
Perfect assessment of both exercises.
Are CROSSFIT Pull Ups Really That Bad?
Yes.
Answer: yes
Great video and I applaud your professionalism. It's rare to see a video about crossfit that isn't talking all the shit. I'm not a crossfit fan at all but I can't help but wonder why some things are done the way they are and you helped me understand but I still don't like it but I'll be a little less critical moving forward!
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Glad I watched this video think it knocked out the idea of Crossfit out of my head completly lol
I used to do Crossfit, especially gymnastics classes. We used kipping pullups as a technical exercise that's part of a progression to muscle ups, going through chest to bar and butterfly pullups. They were only done by athletes who could do 10 strict form pullups and had good swinging technique, and everyone did strict or weighted pullups as well as a strength exercise. I didn't see anyone get injured when following these guidelines, but then again I was lucky to have a trainer who didn't make us take risks just to feel hardcore. And of course the main reason we trained it is that it's part of Crossfit competitions.
Where can I get those legendary blue shorts at 😂
Good analysis. I am an 11 year crossfitter and love it.....but I do agree that there are some very valid criticisms. With regards to the pullups, Glassman stated several .months ago his regret on teaching thr kipping pullups. Doing the strict pullups vs kip is by far the better strength building movment.
Crossfit culture could've crushed the strict pullup in utilization. The kipping pullup just isn't a necessary exercise. It's removal would not degrade anything. The kip itself is important (hollow body position, gymnastic, MU work, etc), but not for strength and/or metcons.
The master has spoken
Kipping looks like hell on your joints. I LOVE lifting, but I’m not the type to ego lift or do things that can harm my structural integrity. One body for one life. Gotta take care of yourself.
CrossFit challenges people incredibly, no doubt, but I just don’t see it as a long term sustainable regimen for general well being. I mean we’ve all seen the crazy power cleans on bosu balls. They just do crazy stuff
Kipping isn't even pull ups. It's simple pull up....not use your entire body to pull yourself up. Cross fit is a joke
Always good contents. Thx bro
Excellent and fair video. From a crossfitter.
Calisthenics = Pull Ups
CrossFit = Fool Ups
so basically the kipping pull-up sucks! :D
*zero zero zero* best intro xD
Love the reference
Awesome video!
I was told the kipping/butterfly pull-ups done is CrossFit is not for beguiling strength but a using the upper body to build cardiovascular endurance. It may be look “easier” but one may not complete the required reps in the limited time because the heart and lungs cannot keep it. Different purpose, different approach.
So yes. CrossFit pullups really are that bad. Even if you are a "CrossFitter", you are still human, and they are (*plot twist*) STILL BAD.
I used to workout there (beginning of the video) it’s in Algarve, Vilamoura, PT. Great video as always💪💪💪
Well done!
ARE YOU SERIOUS????
That butterfly is compared to a whiplash at a high speed..... besides looking stupid..... NO way i am doing that 🤣
Exactly it is whiplash! Terrible technique and strain on the shoulders and neck. No tension in the core can cause injury or hernias through the ABS and abdomen and other injuries to the back and shoulders if the core is not tense during the motion
In short: If u wanna fuck your body up..... go ahead... DO IT 🤣🤣🤣💪🏻
And I keep thinking they're going to bash their chin or teeth on the bar.
The only reason to do these kind of "pull ups" is when you have perfect technique and want to do as much pull ups as possible. So you don't have reason to do them
Matt Mitchell except there is tension in the core... you move between the hollow and arch positions which require a tight core... probably should know the ins and outs of the movement if your trying to prove how silly it is🤣
You forgot to mention how kipping pull-ups look 100% dumber than regular pull-ups. Science.
Look is subjective thus not scientific. Science is an objective matter
A very polite diss on kipping.
thank you, great vid, great info
strict Pull up a.k.a a pull up
kipping pull up a.k.a ZER0!
My shoulders got injured due to kipping
Hope lesson well learned. Other Crossfitters should read this comment and learn from your experience
Lmao even as you showed kipping in slow motion video while rationalizing it I still couldn't help but laugh 😂
Very Smart video, very well done, very precise. The only point I would add for kipping is cardo intensity.
Show me a Crossfit athlete who hurt him-/herself doing butterflies (except maybe hitting the nose or slipping from the bar). The only time I damaged my lats was when I did a muscle-up after a workout, not from butterflies. At our box, there are at least 20 people who can do butterfly pullups and many have been doing them for years. I don't know of anyone who injured him-/herself. Also, it's not just for competition - it turns the pullup into a half-strength, half-cardio exercise (try the exercise "Fran" and you'll know what I mean). It's simply a different exercise. Plus - yes - it's faster. JFYI - as 19.3 Crossfit Open competition shows (incl. 50 strict HSPU), the CF community also trains strict movements. Variety of exercises isn't a bad thing, and should include both strict and kipping - admittedly in that order and not the other way around, in terms of skills development!
RIP my tongue after a failed kipping pull-up :(
Thats your punishment for kipping
I've recently found that kipping can help in some situations like bouldering when you need an extra umph to reach that next hold.
You are a Awesome Alex. Thank you.