Wing Chun Kung Fu vs MMA - Ding Hao vs Xu Xiaodong & Yu Changhua vs Xiong Cheng Cheng
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- Опубликовано: 7 июл 2024
- Xu Xiaodong, the MMA fighter who destroyed that Tai Chi wind-bender wannabe Wei Lei, finally got another set of officially sanctioned fights together, this time against two self-proclaimed Wing Chun "masters." The fights are epic and telling. One is by Xiaodong against one of the "four great Wing Chun masters in China" Ding Hao 丁浩. The other fight (3:57) is Xiong Cheng Cheng 熊呈呈 (not Yi Long, though they kind of look alike) against Ip Man lineage Wing Chun Master Yu Changhua (余昌华). Changhua is also Ding Hao's coach or Shifu. Also, there was supposed to be no kicks, but there were kicks thrown. So if we looked at what happened, they basically followed Sanshou rules. These fights show what works and what doesn't work, as well as the need for weight classes. Hope you enjoy our commentary and research on the fighters. Please keep your comments coming, and please send us more clips.
0:00 Xu Xiaodong vs Ding Hao
3:46 More information on match
3:56 Yu Changhua vs Xiong Cheng Cheng
7:21 More information on Yu Changhua
More information on the fights from China's version of Quora (Zhi Hu):
On Xu Xiaodong vs Ding Hao
• Xu Xiaodong vs Ding Ha...
On Xiong Cheng Cheng vs Yu Changhua
• Inspiring One-Armed Bo...
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Xu Xiaodong in 2019 fighting a Kung Fu master: ruclips.net/video/4x4VTjbZtKc/видео.html
Xu Xiaodong loses a spar session against Muay Thai kickboxers: ruclips.net/video/hleyURzazig/видео.html
Tai Chi guys try to intimidate Xu Xiaodong: ruclips.net/video/pCWIYkWDCqo/видео.html
Xu Xiaodong gets challenged inside his dojo: ruclips.net/video/hEvuHeDNRoE/видео.html
Wing Chun guy in my hometown challenges MMA fighter: ruclips.net/video/86tEBFziGUE/видео.html
Ding Hao (Wing Chun dude) takes on another MMA guy much smaller: ruclips.net/video/R4p6Xvz53RM/видео.html
If you want to learn Chinese to be able to understand these videos in the future without my translations, follow my Chinese learning channel: ruclips.net/channel/UC_E_R34VQo47FfnwF3ABlDQ
I translated an interview with the second fighter (the bald, one-handed boxer) Xiong Cheng Cheng: ruclips.net/video/Wu6IXAEr3Vc/видео.html His story is very inspiring. He overcame everything to continue boxing. Hope you like my analysis and translation. Watch the second fight (3:57) between Xiong Cheng Cheng and Yu Changhua before you watch the interview.
this was more of wrestling match...ive used Wing Chun in real fights...i won...however...i will say...i wouldn't use WC in a "ring fight"...more effective in street survival in my opinion...but I've never been in a "ring fight" ether
please do tell me about this fight you "won" on the streets.
I could be wrong but my BS meter is going off the charts after reading that comment.
You keep saying "why are you trying to grapple him? stop trying to grapple him"
The wing chun guy is being pulled down by a shirt grab and repeatedly punched and/or kneed. Thats not "grappling" what the hell are you talking about. He has had his posture broken and is being kept unbalanced.
He is not trying to grapple.
Dirt Diver\ bro that was the weakest Wing Chun master I've ever seen, I would rather have seen Donnie Yen fight that fool feel me!??
In a real fight the Wing Chun KIng Fu would kick his ass.
Man. How humiliating must it be to call yourself a master and then to get beaten by a guy literally keeping one arm behind his back.
at least, he is challenging bravely not like some other master whose challenge and back out.
@@gynzzaftael5263 I guess! Still humiliating though. It's like playing MvC2 and getting beat by an enemy team consisting of Servbot, Dan, and Roll.
@@jadedandbitter doesn't matter humiliating like that because he is true to his words. How many people can be brave enough to step on the ring and fight like that even without glove risking their own life embarrased if they lose? Not only that, for a martial artist, defeat in the ring is better than defeat outside the ring. Some guy whose thinking that their words can kill rather than their punch are the one which is not a true a martial artist. The fact that guy lose to Xu just mean that Xu is more skilled than that guy. That's all. Well, that's just my own opinion as a practitioner martial art myself.
@@gynzzaftael5263 True. It's like the saying, "the punch that knocks you out may be the one that wakes you up".
@@jadedandbitter Ayyyy FGC :D
The ref's so dedicated he's about to take the knockout for homeboy himself.
haha
Hahahahah
Hahahahahaha
@Chris Indermuehle the second most delusional government after North Korea
@Chris Indermuehle its so embarassing to see all these people. They havent improved for ages and even today eat up ppl pocket by self proclaiming master etc.
It's not fair. They didn't give the master the third bowl of rice.
Not even fair if only a bowl of rice, you should add braised pork too
rice needs 40 minutes to boil n cook, burger is better. instant and it has high calories to fight
😂😂😂
He needs some milk
instant noodles in 5 minutes ✌️😆
The ref had to save him 4 times, yet they still called it a draw lol.
It was pretty obvious the officials initially wanted to have the other guy win the match no matter how well Xiadong did. Problem is that the fight was so hilariously one sided that they new they were no way anyone would have bought this.
What fight are you watching? It's obvious it's a draw.
@@johncarroll772get some glasses or an eye surgery... the mma guy was dominating throughout the fight
Yeah the Chinese hate to admit their silly little kung pow stuff is useless
fake, and he knows it LOL
Ufc should hire the referee
dj nathan yamasaki all the way dude
Honestly
Seriously. Dude dove in between two fighters while they were fighting. That's dedication.
Yes, this guy is more dedicated than even your average fighter it seems
Personally I wouldn't have come even close to Shu's fist, so diving in front of him is absolutely out of the question. This guy has balls
The match was a draw. I guess the referee won. lol
Ref diving in like he's about to block a bullet for the president.
XD
Replace bullet with punch and president with wing chun dude, pretty accurate.
He already did take a bullet for the president 5 mins ago before recording you can see the red blood on his clothing
that brings me back fr
Facts, if that wing Chun guy stood in the real wing Chun stance, he would have been beaten up more brutally, but he's smart, he didn't follow the real wing Chun, the real wing Chun says " Keep your feet on a squared up position " , which in a fight, is a ridiculously stupid thing to do
I'd bet that that position is based on the idea that you will never get grappled. I think it's clear that it's based on blocking your opponent's arms and counter-attack before he recovers his position. That's why they have the arms and hands in that standard position. And I don't think a master would tell you that you should keep your "squared position" if you get caught.
In any case, that guy really didn't seem very experienced. I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure the problem was not what "martial art style" he was using.
That's false, the squared up wing chun stance is supposed to be a training handicap, not how you fight in a real fight. Source: trained bjj and mma back in the day, been around combat sports over 20 years, sparred with people who have fought on ufc cards, yet a wing chun teacher toyed with me worse than anyone. And Wing chun has takedowns as well
@@emilianosintarias7337came here to say this😅 Wing Chun originated on boats iirc so the stance was useful back in the day.
@@emilianosintarias7337 Yep, its to help condition your muscles.
@@emilianosintarias7337 I also come from a life long martial arts background, trained bjj for over 10 years, trained boxing , muy thai and had a small touch of Dutch kickboxing thrown in there as well as having a wrestling background growing up and I had 4 mixed martial arts fights and I can say that the illusion of martial arts like wing chun and kung fu being highly dangerous martial arts that ascend above mma was completely dispelled. Over the years we had a lot of guys at a lot of different gyms come in with black belts in win chun, karate and other more traditional martial arts and none of them ever stood a chance with a pro fighter let alone a legit amateur. Obviously there is always an exception to things in the world pretty much unanimously those guys got pieced up on the feet and completely destroyed when taken down. There were a few guys with taekwondo backgrounds that lit people up with some nice high kicks and turning sidekicks but in every case those guys were extremely athletic, like prime physical specimens that could move in ways that most people just cant, which makes more of a statement for raw athletic talent than it does for traditional martial arts like wing chun.
The ref deserves millions of dollars for that dive lol
The ref dive was emotional I felt it.
He certainly didn't come from the Steve Mazzagatti school of refereeing
For the record, most of the martial arts fights don't let the players fight while the one is on the ground. The ref job is literally to dive between them in that situation. Of course, expect MMA kinds.
Lol
the ref had no faith the wing chun practitioner could defend himself. the ref may have been directed by organizers to favor the WC, but with it being such a mismatch it was out of the ref's hands
Di u just say Ref diva?
He had the heart of Bruce Lee, but the fighting skills of Bruce Jenner.
Edit: Caitlyn Jenner
thekenner hahaha....Agreed.
thekenner hahahaa
Hahaha...super agree
That's not fair, he's not wearing high heels
thekenner
Haha.
Did you guys notice how Wing chun guy fighting Xu Xiao Dong started with a traditional Wing Chun stance, but after eating some punches, he learned, intuitively and by instinct, to do a proper guard? 3:21, compare it to his initial stance xD
Yes I noticed that very clearly I also noticed how their clinch at times turned into hockey style fighting with grabbing each other's clothes however the mma guy still used boxing styled pivots in his punching and that's why the punches had power. Wing Chun guy isn't whack in my humble opinion he just isn't striking that hard as he should he has the character of a warrior never giving up and adapts very quickly. Give him proper Muay Thai training and do a rematch and he can really win
@@amartya9034 wing chin can’t really produce power, or at least as much as boxing. Too speed focused
@@trymii5396 Exactly why I recommended Muay Thai, his speed is fantastic he just needs some powerful strikes to multiply his speed with and he seems to like clinching too. Where else will you find power striking with stand up wrestling? Muay Thai, it has a very unique way of power punching as well which I think will fit him
Seen this in multiple videos
he got reset to factory settings
It's a shame Xu Xiaodong's life was destroyed by the lawsuits and government lowering his social credit score so much that he was made practically homeless and unable to use public transportation, just for calling out these frauds. It cost a total of $100,000 and seven straight days of mandatory public apologies to settle it all.
are you kidding? They really go hard for their shitty obsolete martial arts don't they
When you realize you waisted 20 years doing Wing Chun and say, at least I didn’t pick Aikido.
@@spidermoon3574 Wrong. He is a wing chun master/coach and trained under IP man.
@@spidermoon3574 I think he meaned "directly from Ip man's school"
@@spidermoon3574 Thats what his credentials said. Much more like trained under IP man's Thats what his credentials said. Much more like train under IP man's decesndent or school.
@@spidermoon3574 Thats what every wing chun fanboys said.. 'That's not real wing chun' bla bla...
His gate stance isn't right, his punching technique isn't right, we're not being vague, we can elaborate as much as you want on why this isn't Wing Chun technique.
This is what happens when you pick an unfamiliar character in a fighting game. The wing Chun dude doesn't know the buttons, let him pause it so he can view the moves list.
That's me whenever I play any fighting game ;)
Wing Chun guy had been playing Offline mode all this time, then realizes he actually weak Online mode
He just didn't have an answer to the MMA guy's grappling.
Leroy Smith is shaking his head here at that WC guy lol
😄😄😄
I can trust this referee with my life 🤣🤣🤣🤣
The first wing chun guy has a lot of heart. It sucks to get rag-dolled like that when you think you know something. He could probably be a solid fighter if he took this loss to heart and broadened his training.
He's IP Man's direct successor so he had a lot of pressure on his shoulders but wing Chun just doesn't work very well.
@Ian-yf7uf not even that, most "masters" don't even do physical exercises because they think it isn't needed, and because of that their blows aren't as strong, and what have been a pretty good martial arts class becomes bad.
@@Ian-yf7ufthere was a huge weight class difference though. I am not surprised he couldn't make any impact on Xiaodong. Would be more fun to see similar weight class. No matter how terrible Wing Chun is in real fights, any trained guy in proper weight class should put better resistance than that.
@@kunalsingh4418don't be stupid, he fight amateur muay Thai after this event, and the kickboxer/muay thai athlete is more shorter than him didn't have good records, about 66kg in weights, and this wink chung master is about 78kg, and he still got knockout cold, your ignorance behavior is almost similar to Christian preacher and Hindu fanatics,they would deny the reality even though the facts already slap their face.
@@kunalsingh4418 hard to say, you rarely ever see someone of those two weight classes fight each other. The one dude was a stick and Xiaodong is a unit
10/10 for the ref dive
Idiot ikr😂😂
joergjoergermann
Wow really? No it’s not better because it’s not real and the only money that really matters are those gold coins we gave to the bank back in the day for the I owe you note aka the dollar. So when our government collapses because we’re in debt, the bitcoin won’t matter the dollar bill aka i the I owe you note won’t matter because it’s just an I owe you note and not the actual money(gold coins). So if you have the gold coin and no debt you won’t be found wanting by the people we owe trillions to.
Definitely ref of the year.
joergjoergermann who the fuck is talking about Bitcoin? GTFO
Skybro LOL, you're the one who's taking about something that has nothing to do with the video, haha, poor idiot.
the MMA guy with his hand on his back is like "I will only use 1% of my power" lol
More like 0.1
He didn’t even used his legs
1 limb
He pulled a Frieza
@@leonidas0242 LMAO
Did you say "airbender" here or am I acutely deaf?
0:19
What I learned is MMA > kung-fu or any other mystical stuff.
That first fight was declared a draw...
I know, what a farce and even if I was the Kung fu dude I’d be insulted by that ruling bc it’s spitting in the face of true competition and draining any shred integrity left in these bouts. They’re almost at WWE Monday night Raw levels of contrivance and artificiality 🤦♂️😩
Damn The Chinese don't want to accept reality that maybe wing chun isn't effective for self defense , that's sad. Alot of people are going to get hurt because of that .
@@CloudyShinobi Chinese culture is based around winning, at ANY cost, even if it means cheating. The kung fu guy most likely conspired to have it fixed.
There is a good video essay by super eyepatch wolf about fake martial arts where he talks about Xu. He originally just wanted to prove that MMA is a superior fighting style to traditional martial arts and wound up being ostracized for it by the Chinese government.
@@sylvanusjoseph1140 watch the video I mentioned to understand the context next time, I was referring to Xu's sentiment toward martial arts and how they are portrayed by the chinese government. sorry i hurt your feelings about whatever martial art you do
I like how the Wing Chun guy suddenly started using MMA after getting punched enough.
Kinos141 HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHA
LOL
You can use MMA. MMA is a way of competition fighting, not a style. MMA is a mix of several legit styles, that why it is called Mixed Martial Arts, or MMA.
MMA is not a fighting style or a martial art.
MMA is just another word for whoever is the most aggressive brawler wins.
That's so untrue it hurts my head
It's fun to talk shit about the inefficacy of wing chun's preparation and techniques, but that dude put his art to the test. That's more than most people out here. 💪
Nah bro these fighters dont really know wing chun
@@adamtoth214 love how people always say this with zero critical thinking. 💪
@@aplus1080 bro these so called masters don't even have the basic balance necessary to fight
@@aplus1080so... you?
@@jik9693 my skills have dipped because I've been so busy giving your mom the hog.
When a fighter brings a bodyguard into the ring. Well done, ref! You saved him every time!
I like how they are just fighting in the lobby of a hotel. Lol
It was supposed to be in the ring, but the Wing Chun demanded they move off the ring.
I don't know why, but it makes things look like a fighting game stage
its more like mortal combat stage to me... lol
Theyre using street fighter rules.
The background and stage is like a scene out of a Street Fighter game.
Look like sleeping dogs .....
I think It looks more like the Shang Tsung throne room stage from the frist Mortal Kombat
Actually reminds me of Dhalsim's stage
Xu xiaodong only choose the old, the weak, the sick and the disabled as opponents, i am chinese ,i kown him
They are only students of tai chi and wing chun,not not master!!! You've been tricked!!!
@@jiajackman4422 lol you call that wing chun mAsTeR who looks like he's in his mid-20s a weak old man cope harder
BTW Taiwan is a real country
0:40 It is at that moment the MMA fighter realized that this fight was going to be a one sided fist fight worthy of Robot Chicken.
I just love watching this over and over and over again
He really tried to ram the wing Chun guys head into the pillar like a mortal Kombat fatality!!
Seriously!
Finish him
@@FightCommentary flawless victory
Looks like a fake pillar - an inflatable pillar prop. The whole pillar just slides away when they bump into it haha
@@morukuser 🤣🤣🤣🤣
The MMA guys are way more "in shape" than the wing chun guys. Its almost like martial Arts guys don't strength train. Fitness is half the fight.
Bruce lee used to be in peak condition. These guys are a joke.
@@MrHarshverdhan Bruce Lee's a pretty high standard lol.
@@takatotakasui8307 yes if u gonna claim to be a master reach that lvl or dont talk rubbish.
"A guy who practices boxing for a year can beat a martial artist of traditional arts"- Bruce Lee
TestSubjectDayjob no sorry
Exactly! Kungfu is designed to defend the average man. Not career warriors
Buddy commentary had me laughing so hard. Keep the videos comin. Bjj
Great stuff would love to see more
UlTIMATE humiliation.beaten by single handed guy while at same time using everything you have
also, those wing chun primitives demanded that they did not want to fight on the ring, because they think it will give the MMA fighter an upper hand. that's why they fight inside a hall of something
He’s literally twice his size even at the same time. The problem with wing chun is the when they get grappled. That’s their main weakness.
@@sovietninja6865 dude the wing chun guy got beaten by a boxer using only one hand. How can you still defend it?
Genrey Gonzales You’re not wrong at all. The dude is twice his size as well. Xu did grab him and Ding was having trouble with that. In my personal opinion if someone is studying wing chun they also need to study jiu jistsu. Every time I see a wing chun student fight someone they sometimes lose because of the grappling.
@@sovietninja6865 yeah, right. So, basically, what you say is that purist wing chun adept should MIX other Martial Arts to his craft to make it more effective.
I guess, the next step would be to spice things up a little with some taekwondo, boxing, sambo, muai thai...
Nice b8 m8! :)
Xu Xiaodong is a hero. Sometimes you have to walk alone in service of the principles you represent
lol
Church...
In the past, the word master was given by another master from another dojo that had been defeated and most of them had gone through the experience and had proven it in a fight ... miss that days
"look at this his face is all fffffffffffffffffuuumessed up" hahahaha love that line you said
Wing Chun or not, this is what happens when you don't spar in your clubs. It's the only way to learn what works and what doesn't.
Thank you. Finally someone who gets it.
Nah the art matters too! You can train wing Chun all you want but it won’t be effective in an mma fight! Against a guy who is solid in Muay Thai/BJJ/Boxing and wrestling!!
i love the referee how to stop the fight..he was flying 😂😂😂
I have trained in Wing Tsun a few years back. I remember going to a class to try it out after having watched the Ip man movie. Lol. Having had a background in thaiboxing I was questioning wether or not Wing Tsun would really work for self defence, which is what it is made for. I think I stayed an hour after class just talking to one of the instructors. I actually did deem it to be functional and worth my time so I started training there. And to be fair the instructors did surprise me with the speed and strength of their punches. However, there are alot of techniques that would be extremely hard to pull off in reality. And I wonder how much of the striking techniques would be replaced with just regular brawling in an actual fight. Because it does feel very unnatural to punch like they do.
I was still under the impression that Wing Tsun would be a good choice for self defense if you had a lot of time to practice... years. But after having watched this I don't know anymore. This is just embarrassing.
I agree the punching was different for sure. I think different schools teach with emphasis on different areas. Like some are heavy on the form and movements while others want you work on releasing your energy at the moment of impact or slightly before it idk I had someone translating everything for me at that time it was a lot to take in. The training was cool tho them brass rings and super slow chain punching was killer
thing is wing tsun also has a lot of illegal strikes in mma built into the form such as eye strikes/gouging, claw grabs to the throat, and olbique kicks which is stomping down on opponents knees and ankles which made jon jones the most hated person in the sport. Just to name a few things the real stuff is made for life and death and self defense in the street and is not meant to be a sport.
@@Hieroglyphics87 all you have to do is watch Biue Jee and watch all of the Bil Sau strikes to see how dangerous that one strike alone is
Welcome back to:
Reality smacks some guy in the face and he starts bitching about it and not admit that they need actual skill to win in an actual fight.
oh shit didnt expect to see hellspoon here
is this fake or is he really that bad?
because why can this type of martial art loose if you trained for many years yet being bad and loosing to a modern day mma?,
@@zanik8326 it’s because mma improves over time as more techniques are added they are also very athletic these martial arts are traditionally so they are hesitant to changeq
The dude literally ditch his wingchun aftsr got beat up bad and started using mma😂😂😂
Good move..
@Lincoln Six Echo
Wow you just said that. So much ignorance with a double heaping of arrogance.
Wing chun absolutely does not work for self defense
Wing chun doesn't work anywhere
Where does wing chun work?
the ref diving had me dead 🤣🤣🤣
Yeah 😂
I'M EXPECTING A CHAIN PUNCH FROM WING CHUN GUY BUT UNFORTUNATELY IT ENDS UP IN CHAIN KNOCKOUT
The ref needs more credit willing to take one to the face that's dedication
That ref was a professional mma fighter. That’s why he’s so dedicated.
Thank you kakyoin
Chinese Martial Arts are so good in movies but in real life they are just Spiritual Exercise/ Mental Exercise. Western Fighting Style like MMA is brutal and designed for fights.
not exactly. Chinese martial arts for the Chinese is like escalation of warfare. When ever Chinese martial arts was prominent it was because either people didn't fight or know how to fight. With Martial Arts being the weapon of choice when unarmed. MMA wasn't designed for fights. It was the natural evolution of fighting. What was most effective to win a confrontation when rules go out the window. Martial Arts held that crown, but we explored other possibilities when thinking about effectiveness in winning at all costs with no restrictions. I mean BJJ and Wrestling was pretty much borderline MMA already, but with rules.
The problem with the Chinese and their respect for martial arts is that they refuse to see beyond that. They assume that MMA is a savage beast like art. MMA may not have any spirit, but it wasn't meant to be. It is a technique mindset. It transcends the ideology of spiritual connection, by putting the mind to the body. Not mind to the spirit. Old Chinese soldiers fought with MMA -ish style, they were hated for being soldiers obviously. But that is also why they don't see MMA as a art, but a weapon. When really Martial Arts itself was a weapon until somebody said it is spiritual.
The peace loving martial arts wasn't even something ancient either. maybe 1k years, compared to the 5k years of history they have. In those 5k years back, soldiers practiced military martial arts, like the Romans and the Spartans, it included MMA-ish like fighting when unarmed. There is some evidence proving Martial Arts originated from Military Martial Practices.
Well Chinese Martial Arts is effective. It’s just depends on how you use it, when you use it, and your skill.
@@gam3r_playz770 yeha man just look at silvia, if that's his name he incorporated jeet kwan doo and wing chun in his mma style and he made it work just fine!
MMA is not a fighting style.
@@craigreeves5465 whoops I meant whatever style he is in within the mma ring! Thanks for the correction 🙏
We need that ref for football matches. That's some dedication
Imagine spending your entire life studying an art that dont work 🤣
That ref is the most dedicated ref I ever seen lool
Pitchoo973 the example of people who loves their job.
that ref was serious
No, ref from Medabots is the most dedicated lol
Pitchoo973 Yamasaki can learn a lot !!!
Omar Raymundo Yamasaki would be like " He is still moving, he's fine" lol
Years and years of Wing chung for nothing...
Xu xiaodong only choose the old, the weak, the sick and the disabled as opponents, i am chinese ,i kown him
They are only students of tai chi and wing chun,not not master!!! You've been tricked!!!
so why the master hiding??
@@jiajackman4422 And the other guy who fought Changhua and beat him with 1 arm tied behind his back and with gloves on? Changhua is highly reputable too, so care to explain why he lost with such a pathetic handicap? You have been brainwashed!
@@jiajackman4422 This might be true, but even a master would have no chance against him, before being physically an athlete both able to injury more and to be more durable, MMA is not technically superior it is just superior over martial arts, because it is combined with professional muscles / brute force and endurance. There is a good reason this guy wouldnt fight against Cung Le, or a savy Wushu master with a phisique similar to his own.
Mma fighter is not even serious, kung fu master will get kill if mma get serious
Hi Jerry, good video. Its shocking to see how wing chun is totally ineffective against MMA. If the man with one hand behind his back used both hands the fight would have been over in a minute or so! Also have you ever seen Chen Ziqiang or Adam Mizner videos? They are both tai chi masters who seem very proficient in tai chi. It would be good to review them.
😅😅😅 So tired of conclusions like this is about wing chun vs mma. Its clear that martial artists in these videos are out of shape and not aware at all about their opponents: exposing fake masters, not fake martial arts.
It's even more shocking to see what some people pretent to be Wing Chun. It's like having an illiterate demonstrating the power of the written word.
To be fair he held out longer than I expected.
MMA or "mixed" Martial arts will always be more effective than a single dimension discipline of fighting
It's about the fighter. A first year MMA fighter would get destroyed by a Champion Mhuy Thai fighter.
Sylvanus Joseph don’t they only learn the best things in mma?
@@sylvanusjoseph1140 would really like to see one of those "true experts" in a no rule fight with conor mcgregor . See how many seconds they last, you know.
@@sylvanusjoseph1140 yes you can master all the techniques you want but considering 90% of them are useless as they are fancy but hold 0 value in a fight were the opponent is not letting himself get hit.
As i said, i would like some "real" martial artist try to take out mma champions. Maybe you are right, but i get the feeling they would end up in an hospital with half of their teeth gone.
Also "wake up to facts". Which facts? All proof points towards the mma fighet winning, until now we haven't seen these fabolous techniques defeat anything that is fighting back.
@@reyxus9454 lol trust me there are crazy Mhuy Thai fighters in Thailand & Myanmar who could beat him in a no rules fight, however with MMA rules it's hard to say.
Addressing one issue that many of you have pointed out, which I absolutely agree with: Xu Xiaodong (our MMA fighter) is much bigger in size and frame than both Lei Lei (the Tai Chi master he fought before) and Ding Hao (this Ip Man lineage Wing Chun master). And we know that having 30 pounds and extra reach on someone gives you an advantage. That being said, look at the lack of size difference in the second fight (3:57) between Xiong Cheng Cheng and Yu Changhua 余昌华. Not only was the size the same, but Chengcheng also only used one hand. Either way, appreciate all your comments! Keep them coming!
Update 2019: Ding Hao ended up facing a smaller kickboxer, so let's see how he does: ruclips.net/video/R4p6Xvz53RM/видео.html
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yeah but wt was developed by a woman to fight a bigger, heavier and stronger person and use his force against him.
Fight Commentary Breakdowns too many excuses he was to big he grabbed his shirt which is against the "rules" ,while claiming built for smaller people and no rules let's keep our story's straight.
I'm so conflicted because I agree with so much of what this guy is doing to debunk stuff, but there is so much wrong with his attitude and how he's doing it. Either way, I'm going to keep watching. Haha
love how the chun representative is always some noob that wouldn't know a wing chun from a chicken wing.
I pity Ding Hao in that I can relate with him. I spent years training in sport karate until recently when I joined an Mixed Martial Arts gym, because of the lockdowns had forced the local traditional martial arts schools to close, and forced them out of business. I have been training for about year learning how to grapple. Thinking that I was ready I attended my first true MMA class that involves both striking and grappling, and we all know what Mike Tyson said plans right?
"Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth."
I was almost knocked out. I mistakenly thought that my karate and the few times I trained in kick boxing, boxing, and taekwondo would be enough. My coach then forbidden from sparring for the rest of the class. In the grappling portion it was just as bad as I was submitted, knocked around, taken down and thrown about like a rag doll. It was very humbling.
And what Jerry said is very true, Traditional Martial Artists need to innovate and change with the times, and you cannot learn from watching RUclips videos all day. You can only learn from training consistently, eat right, get a good night's sleep, stay healthy and hygienic and hitting the mats.
I like how the "Masters" no longer use there kungfu stance after 60 seconds in the fight.
where are the HP bars! damn.
Who is that tank?
At the top, video is cropped
And also the power meter...lol
Xu xiaodong only choose the old, the weak, the sick and the disabled as opponents, i am chinese ,i kown him
@@jiajackman4422 would you fight him?
Let's just face the facts that Kung-Fu only looks awesome in the Movies.
MMA is the Reality.
MMA is sport, self defense is reality - Where they teach throat strike, kick to groin, eye poke...
Donnie Yen made MMA looks amazing in movies too, watch the fight scene from flash point
Efren Trinidad III you are right.
MMA looks good only in the cage, guns are the reality
@@debaterofeverythingpresent2775 you lose your gun or run out of ammo and then you are nothing, even soldiers learn krav maga to supplement their weapons training
When you questioned why he didn't throw kicks, I thought of "everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face". He prob never been in a real fight before and resorted back to his instincts which is to wildly swing with bad form.
This was on madlads basically this guy calls out fake Chinese martial artists and fights them. the amount of backlash and censorship he received is insane. Definitely worth a search
That's not fair!?..the mma guy is not following the movie script!, its not meant to be real?, where's the director? 😂
Demontz DEMONTZ spot on
lmao 😂😂😂😂
Deaad xd
Adam A. Eingchun is useless in mma stop brainwashed by kungfu movies
This is a "directed" advertising video : ruclips.net/video/ZCznkjXCbgg/видео.html
I can tell you those who practise WC are forever customers in classroom only; when on street or in the ring, they will wake up from their wet dream with blood & teeth on the ground 😂😂😂
The lesson is, whatever your martial art style, don't let your chin get hit, LOL.
bambang suseno unless you’re a shaolin monk
Xu xiaodong only choose the old, the weak, the sick and the disabled as opponents, i am chinese ,i kown him
They are only students of tai chi and wing chun,not not master!!! You've been tricked!!!
Would be so cool if a Wing Chun master showed up to an mma fight and started busting out with some ip man level of fighting like in the ip man movies.
0:48 the disappointment in his voice when he can't slow it down
"Hey! You're bleeding all over my gloves!" - Xu Xiaodong
The most impressive thing about this video to me is your ability to read that Chinese Google and Wikipedia page.
Exactly lol
From the way this guy pronounced the names of the fighters I would guess he is Chinese
@@iloverelaxbear what a traitor
Abhinav Chauhan
What do you mean by traitor its non bad to be Chinese
I love how sassy and passionate this referee is. He's half the show.
This actually lasted longer than I expected it too.
The BEST style is NO style - Bruce Lee
That's funny coming from the Steven Seagal of his day.
bruce lee was such a joke😂😂 for the love of God why can't people just accept he was an actor(and a dam good one).
@@pie112098 make me bitch!
@@oscarbear7498 that's what you think.
@@fnsilly8983 correction, its what I know.
Bruce lee was a 130lb skinny Chinese with flashy moves. I know pretty much all his fancy flips, kicks. I can do a 2 finger push up too, and I can do corks, side flips, back flips, back handspring... all the flips on ground.
I'm telling you all that is useless in a fight. you are always off balance, and can't see where the fk your going, burning tons of energy. god forbid you should mess up, or get pushed mid air, you'll probably hurt yourself landing and be out.
it does however look really cool!
sorry to tell you Bruce lee was just an actor. no super human strength or philosophy powers of "be like water" strength was real.
Ip man would’ve asked for 9 more at the same time ....
Gangbanged
@@kriteshghildiyal5506 He is talking about real IP Man the one who taught Bruce Lee
@alan caldwell I would both of yous with a tackle stfu
Ip man is only so glorified because he was bruce lees teacher at one pount. Bruce realized when he got here that the traditional arts were limited and not always effective so he set out on a journey and started mixing and learnig what worked and what did not.
Ip man’s a piece of shit
Love this!
These guys have practiced enough where there technique allows them to stand in front of an opponent for a bit of time, but their skills have probably never been pressure-tested enough in full-on stress of combat.
I have a black belt in Shotokan and I always felt like it was never going to really work in a real street fight. Fortunately, I was also brought up on the streets so I know how to streetfight as well. The problem with all martial arts is it assumes that your opponent will behave with rules and specific behaviors but street fights don't have rules and your opponent is usually crazy.
Steve Patterson exactly lol
I mean the form of taekwondo I learned regularly involves finishing and teaches the use of all of the bodies weapons. Meaning if you gotta bite someone's finger off you gotta do it. We also teach firearms
Check this out This is How Traditional Karate Kata & Kumite Techniques are used in MMA:
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I think any of the martial arts work as long as you apply to it real fighting and not some Samurai battlefield scenario.
Matthew Baumann most can some can't. But I really dislike when people treat MMA like a martial art. It's more like a salad made from different ones
Dana White should hire that ref for the UFC.
meligoth the UFC doesn’t employ a single referee. All referees work for the government.
you can see how at 3:23 Ding Hao changes his pose to MMA type fighting and completely ditches his "training"
That is still wc
2:27 had me screaming omg😂😂😂😂🏋🏻 but no way these guys in the same weight class
Damn, humanized version of
Intel iCore 7 vs Pentium 1
but those pentium 1 starting to be upgraded to corei 3 when he got so many punch in the face, lol
core i9 vs intel 4040
@@kato4792
Zen vs any *** Lake :)
i9 vs 286
Even the referee had more martial arts talent in his small pinky...
yes these are just youtube spamming shit i mean if there was a real wung chu kung fu or whatever master it would not be like that but this is just youtube
Xu xiaodong only choose the old, the weak, the sick and the disabled as opponents, i am chinese ,i kown him
jia jackman then why don't you challenge him?
More knock out power, less skill...
Plot twist: the referee is real master and he was like "you have to fight my disciple before you fight me"
I wonder what Ip man would have done in this situation.
A Former shaolin student ranton said one of his video that wing chun is useless unless you use it with other techniques.
Amen!👍
Remind me of the historical match between Mr. SATAN vs Cell
that was so legendary
**Satan flies back 500 yards after getting lightly slapped by Cell**
"I tripped and fell off the ring!!"
Hahahahahah i died on this hahaha
MMA fighter came prepared even down to the clothing. While the Jet Li impersonator came to the fight wearing a frickin suit, which is easy to grab and fling around, the MMA guy's apparel is very difficult to grab.
this is what happens when you dont spar with intent in your training.
Yeah the wing chun guys clearly hadn't been in a fight for a very long time.
I wonder if we'd see something valuable if they practiced their techniques with some proper sparring sessions.
Leclwrd I think there's definitely martial arts styles that can be successful. Wonderboy and Machida (prime machida) and even GSP come to mind for the karate style though GSP became more relevant with his dominant wrestling, I believe Benson Henderson had a tae kwon do background and Muay Thai is hugely successful as a weapon in MMA. The only thing with MMA is you have to have a ground game otherwise it's easy to get dominated by amazing grapplers like the Khabibs , Woodley , Cormier etc guys.
exactly
captain beaver_man That's not true. Look at tony Ferguson he doesn't spar with anybody and he is lightweight champion. He wasn't using win chun.
captain beaver_man no arm trapping no kicks and no strength. He didn't even stand like he was using win chun.. knees wasn't even bent.
That REF is the real MVP.
Larry Games lol for real tho u see that dive
Yup, that's what made me comment lol.
He would take a hit and throw his body to save the losing one . I gladly take this guy out for a beet
Gut Eater a beer maybe? Lol. Me too. Love the guy.
Gut Eater I'd take him out for a beet and beer too.
1 minute in, got his faced punched. He's thinking what did I get myself into
Bro ripped all the steven seagal posters of the walls when he got home.
Why did MMA fighter fight with a dancer?
Are they in different weight class? The fight should have ended qhen he sat down on his ass.
Lincoln Six Echo in real life the mma fighter will eye gauge you faster lol
Lincoln Six Echo im seeing u everywhere in this comment sections man, and why do u think this fight has a rule eh? Cant u see when mma fighter try to GnP him the referee stop him, why? Cause of the rule? And who said wingchun can apply in real life situations?
Yusuf Best u clearly dont know huh? In this case the panda (idk who his chinese name is but they called him panda), the one that use mma is like on a missions to expose a fake martial arts around china so he ask a fight/duel against them and u said wing chun had the best philosophy? Let me tel u someting man, a philosophy doesnt help u won a fight but convictions
Yusuf Best man, have u ever been in a fight before? The real fight when theres no rules theres no such thing like a philosophy,control over ur mind and weight class the real fight is ugly and brutal, u can think all u want but "everyone have a strategy and think all they want until he got punched to the face"-mike tyson
U can categorized and complain about panda such a arrogant and all but thats the reality of the fight, its ugly, gruesome and brutal
Imagine throwing a master in MMA like Khabib in there with those "masters" 😂😂😂. Ambulance will get used that night.
Man that would be first degree murder hahahaha khabib eats them alive and just to be competitive he would fith two bullshitos at the same time
It looks like they aren't fighting on a softened surface. They don't need Khabib, that would be an epic overkill. Any competent judoka/wrestler/grappler will murder them with the first slam or throw. Getting supplexed, thrown on your head or slammed in a hard floor, especially if you don't know how to land properly, is an express ticket to the hospital and potentially to a wheelchair.
Khabib is UFC champ d
zippodk all khabib does is grapple tho, he is shit at kicks and punches. He is an overrated dirty rat who takes a bath with multiple men together(there’s pic of him doing this leaked online)
Mano Lol except he dropped Conor McGregor lmao
I like how after he was knocked out/thrown down for the third time he still acts cocky lol. His martial art may be bad but at least he has confidence.
I would have love to see prime Xu Xiadong vs prime Wong Shunleung. Because i think more or less Wong S. was one of the most effective street fighters across all different Wing Chun lineages. Would be very interesting.
Second guy is a boxer I believe but still though, that’s sad. You get beat by a one armed boxer🤣
i bet modern kung fu is a scam, thanks to communist cultural revolution, all real martial arts were replaced by gymnastics and dancing.. all real masters were executed due to their kung fu beliefs.. now lets kick the modern kung fu and show them why kung fu is an epic fail in today's streetfight.
And that one arm is his left hand...
@@debhroravindranathtabaloc9213 Whatever floats your boat. The very fundamental of Kung Fu is flawed. Its better for showmanship, like in movies than practical fights.
@@arachnid83 asian martial arts focused on use of weapons.
Lincoln Six Echo the average person doesn’t even need a knife to rob a wing chun fighter. Just slap his bitch ass.
Wing Chun vs MMA. Who's the winner? The Ref
Am I the only one who hears the theme song from the IP Man movies whenever I see one of these Wing Chun guys get their ass kicked buy a Combat sports fighter?
1:40 the referee rolling on the floor and scolding the MMA fighter fucking hilarious!
MMA=My ass
Xu Xiao Dong is a Sanda Practitioner. MMA is just his secondary art.
Must give props to the ref. He's not afraid to jump in and protect the fighter. That's way better than Steve Mazzagatti could ever do.
Bruh how many times I have to say this it depends on the fighter not the fighting style.
Yeah, those elbows that are "too lethal" to use in MMA 😅😂
1 fighter who took the best aspects of multiple martial arts and combined all of it
vs.
1 slappy boi
How well do you think jeet kune do would do ? The martial art developed by bruce lee
@@Amir-iz8eh Against the masters, pretty well. It probably wouldn´t do a lot against the MMA fighters tho. MMA had 30 years of development as had so many different people from so many different backgrounds adding their knowledge to it. A fighting style developed by one guy couldn´t compare
Jeet Kune do takes all the best parts of multiple different styles and gets straight to the point.
In my opinion based on what I have learned through martial arts if it was Bruce lee against an MMA fighter Bruce lee would win.
The problem with many martial artists is that they aren’t willing to accept and integrate different styles into theirs but MMA fighters and Bruce lee do this extremely well.
@@bendakstarkiller9923 why would Bruce lee win tho? In the 70s grappling and immobilizing combat sports like BJJ and wrestling weren’t really famous and Bruce lee didn’t practice them. A MMA fighter would just take the battle to ground and win.
@@francogiobbimontesanti3826 Bruce lee did practice jujitsu which is a grappling style when creating jeet kune do and he was extremely good at reading people and was incredibly fast.
I am sure that if an MMA fighter was able to get Lee into a full body lock the fight would be over because I have never seen anybody get out of one of those.
When you get your cheekz smaccced around so you try to cheat and still lose.
WHY THE FUCK DO WE WATCH THE SAME SHIT?
Xu xiaodong only choose the old, the weak, the sick and the disabled as opponents, i am chinese ,i kown him
jia jackman he fought a big kung fu guy once. You should watch all his fights before commenting
@@jiajackman4422 I'm confused there are many opinions I thought he targeted charlatans who sell fake martial arts and call themselves masters which flood China with fake martial arts that can be beaten easily by foreign arts
There was definitely a weight difference as well as height difference. Wing chun dude didn’t do too bad in all fairness but he got scared of the power once he felt it
bro he used one hand how much was the weight difference you think ...? i fight lol