We haven't covered Xu in a while, but he's still going strong. His RUclips channel is in the description and endcards. Also, upon reflection, I realize maybe I should just translate this entire event or at least more of the debate about the rules. If I do so, I'll put the extra content on Fight Commentary Extras. Make sure to subscribe to that channel. I remember a part before the match where Xu also explained that they already agreed on the rules and had it in writing. That sounds like a good part to translate and put on Fight Commentary Extras as an accompanying piece. Stay tuned!
with no rules. mma fighters would murder these so called masters in a flash. and rules are there to protect themselves when fighting not the other way around.
Traditional martial artists are ALWAYS shrieking about: "the reason nobody uses our martial art in 'sport fighting' is because there are too many rules! Our martial art was created to fight without rules, where anything goes!" And the moment you challenge them to a fight, they keep trying to impose crippling rules that prevent the other side from doing any techniques on them.
Ignoring the fact that some professional fighters do implement traditional martial arts in their training. It's more the fact that these "masters" spent their life lazing around and scamming instead of putting in the hard work, so at best, they are mildly trained in the basics...at worst...well, they get annihilated in a matter of seconds.
The only issue I have with this is that there were a heap of rules put in place in this bout. Who's to say which side they benefited? I would prefer that both sides agree to no rules bouts. Maybe 1 rule - No killing or permanent maiming (Like gouging out the eyes for example). Then no one could complain about being artificially suppressed.
@@cashcash5995I heard it was harder to use on untrained fighters because untrained fighters don't have proper techniques and are unpredictable because they lack training
@@Aaron11411 I know a few ways to dissolve your ego, one of them is on the mat. Another is a near-death experience. Another is with shamanic ritual. None of these are easy routes.
From my experience, tai chi specializes in balance. They teach some good core concepts that can branch out into other martial arts, but I would never use tai chi exclusively as a self-defense martial art. I think lots of martial arts have this weakness. Modern Karate and Taekwondo have this apparent weakness.
@@gamrage I mean let's not get carried away, it was just a basic sprawl. I just didn't expect to see any actual techniques from him. it kinda looked like a BJJ blue belt going to his first wrestling class. Like you can tell he's done something before, but he's still getting smashed and not by the top guys.
The wrestler stunted on him. He didn't even apply any pressure with the knee on belly. He did that just to let the coward know "I could do a whole lot more than just grab your leg buddy."
It's not a matter if he applied pressure or not. It's about etiquette. Even if the other guy was being an @ss it's still a bad move. Brother Xu would've acknowledged that it was unacceptable if he wasn't already annoyed at the guy complaining.
LOVE your energy Jerry! Thanks for adding the time intensive subtitles for the Tai Chi guy, his accent is so thick 😂 Xu's got such a teaching voice even when he's pissed he speaks super clearly lol
I’ve never seen one of these MMA vs TCM videos that convince me the TCM guy is an ACTUAL “master. It’s always just some dude who does tai chi. Calling someone a “master” doesn’t make him a master.
This has been a problem of mine with traditional martial arts schools, a lot of the instructors are waaaay out of shape. Even if you argue "oh i'm just overweight but am in shape" there is no way you will be able to keep up with someone who is not only good at martial arts, in shape for their style, and has also conditioned their body.
Imagine training your entire life building your image of being a push hand master and getting tossed around like a ragdoll by a guy half your weight lmao
@@arbogast4950 Yeah Tai Chi guys needs know that what they train it's fantasy and doesn't work in fights, If Chinese people start train what work maybe one day they will have a UFC champion.
Hey bro i love your channel and i watch it from time to time but i never subscribed. I'm going to subscribe now so i can find you easily. Keep doing what you are doing. Your videos are pretty interesting.
Jerry....you and my buddy, Ye Olde Analog Video Store, absolutely made my day with your posts. He posted a Taiwanese Kung Fu/Ninja movie by the late, great Robert Tai. He was part of the Venoms troupe and was an amazing, off the wall choreographer. Definitely look him up. He made this film called Ninja:The Final Duel, which is batshite crazy, and was definitely a great throwback to Saturday/Sunday afternoon TV when I was little. And then you go ahead and make the rest of my day by posting another new clip by the Phoney Destroyer himself, Xiu Xiao Dong (sorry for spelling). This was so damn cool to see him in action again. I had an absolute LOUSY fekkin' day. And these posts definitely never fail to at least making things a bit more bearable. God bless ya, brother!
Love love Robert Tai aka 'Dai Chi-a' i luckily worked a few times w him 80s& 90s...death cage & trinity goes east...yes he is bonkers!... in a good way
Imagine how many "rules" you need to win a fight, and you know the fake martial artists always claiming they would beat anyone if there is no rules, but when actual fight comes, all the rules starts coming out.
Hey, Jerry. I need some advice. I wanna make fight commentary videos like you, but I have no way to get those obscure videos that you usually get. Any way to find those obscure fight videos
Kung fu practitioners have honestly allowed their humility to become prideful. I really believe that there are great techniques in many kung fu styles, but there's no excuse for neglecting sparring in this day and age. Clinging to the past, to tradition, to an environment that's easy to cultivate respect and never get challenged. The whole mentality of training is just wrong. Go find a 20 something kung fu expert, they don't exist, because somewhere along the line, people thought it made sense for it to take students 10 - 20 years before they had any competence at all, and even then they don't spar.
Glad you enjoyed it! I had to add more to my original analysis, and thank goodness I found that second challenge by the Tai Chi master. Then I knew the saga was complete ;)
Funny that it starts with him nerfing his own people to spare them a lot of hurt... no slamming. Xu Xiaodong is a legend for exposing the bullshido fakes.
I practiced Tae Kwon Do for 7 years, i can safely say there are no wrestling style moves, or really any grappling at all. Most of it looks really cool, but is not practical in an actual fight, basics and conditioning do help but if i were to go against a BJJ guy or a good wrestler he'd tear me apart. Once you get grabbed its like "ok welp, meh kicks are useless now"
Balance & discipline. I learned a bit grappling. I say you get benefit above and that makes it easier and faster if you wants to learn other martial arts.
I was sparring with my BJJ buddy. He's a purple belt, I'm a black belt in tkd, my buddy had a hard time bringing me down even after grabbing my leg, its all about balance and being squirrelly to stay up
If you remember, back when MMA got started, there were "masters" of all kinds of arts who entered and got clobbered. Turned out that none of them were real "masters" of anything, when you looked at their records. They were guys *claiming* to be masters. So far, all I've seen Xu Xiaodong and his guys fight are the same sort of wannabe's that *claim* to be masters.
@@teovu5557 Good point. But I was thinking about all the "Kung Fu", "Silat", and so on, type of guys who showed up with fancy outfits and exotic bowing and scraping, mimicking David Carradine on TV, I guess. It was embarassing. These guys weren't really experts in "Tai Chi", "Kung Fu", "Silat", etc., and they did a lot to harm the reputations of those styles. Same with the bozos who claim to be "Tai Chi Masters" and fight Xu Xiaodong ("Xiaodong" means "Little Dong"). So all the know-nothings jump on various forums and talk about how Xu Xiaodong has "exposed" Taijiquan. SMH.
Doubt they ever would, closest thing too mma is probably jeet kun do but who knows. Ive spar a wing chun guy caught him with hooks and overhands it was quite funny other then that w.e they use not saying its useless as long as not in their range .
@@teovu5557 everybody was still far too hung up on styles when bruce lee started JKD. it was bruce lee that got me away from my obsession with styles. well said.
@@teovu5557 i never said it was martial art if you did read closely. I said jkd is close to mma ( mix martial art ) . Cause it mix a bunch of stuff together that being said might had a better chance against the xu xiaodong students cause he believes in mma more
Thanks Bro. I just got inspiration to write a screenplay for a comedy movie, in the same vein as "Shaolin Soccer". It will be called "Tai Chi Wrestling".
If you fight in the streets there are no agreements, and you ain't going to do s*** with Tai chi in the street you going to get your ass kicked, with a fighter who trains in boxing and wrestling or just a straight up boxer or a straight up wrestler. Never mind putting in other styles of kicking and kneeing like Muay Thai. This is why we have the MMA it's been proven that none of those styles work, you have to have a complete style That's why the Gracie's beat everybody in the UFC, Kung Fu guys karate guys boxers, even a sumo wrestler. And now MMA so complete that you need the full spectrum, of the blended arts called MMA.
I never liked Xu much because he just seemed like he hated kung fu guys for no reason. But now I can see why he gets so pissed off, because even when he shows respect to these guys, they are sore losers and do not return that respect.
He always stated he hated fraudulent kung fu and self proclaimed kung fu masters. There are just too many out there with no pressure testing who get obliterated in sparring and real fights. Then you have the ones who cant fight at all...
He does and still hates them he hates traditional martial arts as a whole and it's very obvious, he just uses that as an excuse to cover up his real intentions and what's even sadder is that a lot of you are dumb enough to fall for his bs
I wish to see matches between different schools of fight using their own style. When they set a rule for the fight, it doesn't prove anything about their own system.
I like that this channel finds cool footage. I’m a little confused by all these challenges and supposed split between “traditional” cma and “new”. One of many examples would be Chen village folks. They fight in kickboxing and other types of tournaments a lot. And do well. This Taiji guy just didn’t realize what he was dealing with cuz he’s gotten older and fatter but not more humble. He may be good at push hands in his bracket but they don’t go for the legs as far as I know and usually don’t even snap the back of the neck down. And he may have never crosstrained. I’m 45 and do some Taiji and Bagua and sometimes boxing and mma and Muay Thai. But I more focus on going slow because that’s what my body type needs. I have read that back in the day Bagua guys usually also did wrestling. That’s good and I know lots of guys that are missing that element in their practice. The younger guy looks to have a good amount of wresting. And IMO wrestling has the toughest conditioning. So trying to wrestle a wrestler is usually gonna lead to a good humbling lesson. These guys are just all up in their feelings.
I'm a big fan of Xu Xiaodong, I'm Canadian and don't speak Chinese but I am subscribed to his channel. It is extremely unfair the treatment he gets just for telling and showing the truth about fighting. He doesn't want people lied to or ripped off and because of that on T.V. in China he has to wear facepaint. He deserves so much better, he's a great person and great fighter.
Traditional Kung Fu be like: We train to perfect body, to hit vital points, to kill in one move. We don't train for the ring. There is no rule in tight situations. Also traditional Kung Fu in tight situations: No, don't do that please. That is not what I agree. Stand still so I can hit your vital point. Stop moving so much.
I added you and asked him. He said it was fine. He should be adding you soon as well. If not, I can make a group chat after you add me. My name is Rich.@@FightCommentary
From my view, that Tai chi guy is not the high level skill enough on Taichi push hand. However, I also dont think that Taichi could beat wrestler on wrestling, but Taichi has more techniques on punch, shoulder etc, lacking of these it's very hard to beat wrestler.
Tai Chi master does not really have good moves because his base and centre of gravity are all over the place. Whatever his top half is doing is irrelevant because of that It looks like he is used to using his weight to dominate rather than technique which is why he is so easy to off balance and take down
@@FightCommentary Haha well that's also the secret to getting your balance broken instantly The key foundation of all stand up grappling is to break someone else's balance while not being vulnerable yourself, which is a skill this guy just straight up doesn't have
Yeah, I think he's used to using his weight to push people around. So he's not got too much skill, but seeing how he moved, he had a lot of potential if he actually humbled himself and tried to get outside his tai chi paradigm. But alas, it's probably never going to happen.
@@FightCommentary yeah I agree, I would be willing to bet that with a brush up on some good fundamentals and just a lot of sparring he could be pretty formidable Same with any of the Tai Chi people that actually do practice against real live resisting opponents, I am sure their stuff could work irl Just need good basics and a lot of sparing hours and almost any style will become highly functional
this "master" probably have outpushed all his students and most other hobbist martial artists that he met, and probably developed certain attributes to win over those who are weaker, slower and less skilled. before Xu's student he has never faced that level of pressure and speed, couldn't follow the pace of the wrestler. Let's say he can probably outpush 80% of those who never trained, but all it does is boost his ego, make him a big infant so he can't accept failure. Sadly many traditional artists- or most Chinese- were not properly educated about failure.
If doing push hands with movement should it nit be done slowly and with out force as to exchange ideas a d learn ones central li e a d limits to grow and learn to me
I don’t get it? What is this? Why are they wrestling? Why is the one guy young and in perfect shape and the other guy is old, moves slow and is just over weight? How can they get so mad about a simple beat down? I guess I only have questions? The guy gets in a fight losses. Goes home and wants another fight but, now he wants full contact no rules. Then arms. Then nuclear weapons. 😂 Thank you, had to watch this again!
It would be interesting to see a team comp of Kapu Kuialua (Polynesian) versus Mongolian wrestling vs Greco Roman vs Laamb (Senegalese ) wrestling. Perhaps they are similar enough that rules could be made that could accommodate all four styles ?
Best job i've ever seen a tai chi guy do. I'm actually pretty impressed. I think the gripe about knee on belly was legit. Still didn't win. Got dominated
I worked for a lot of years trying to accomplish what this "taichi" guy thinks he can do. That "sprawl" was the antithesis of the "yielding" and redirecting that the art teaches. You can't just do the form and push hands and think you can deal with explosive grapplers like that. You actually have to train with those guys. Many years ago when I lived near serra's school in Huntington NY he had an awesome "take down" class. There was no grappling, once you hit the floor it was over. You started on your feet and went till someone was down. If it was your turn you went against every guy in class, one after the other. It was fast paced and awesome. But the class was dropped because not many people wanted to do it. Most bjj guys would rather not do that shit. Then I trained at att in Asheville for a while. Point being, you have to test your abilities and train with real grapplers. I had flashes of success. But to do the "push hands" type redirection against guys like that takes a tremendous amount of skill and training from someone that actually knows what they are doing, and they are few. And you have to do it from childhood, which I did not. Eventually I gave up because I was always injured and it started to effect my ability to earn a living.
I didn't even think about about using BJJ. Imagine if Xu took the back and then applied a RNC. But likely tai chi side not not agree to submissions. Would have been a great match. I should ask Xu if he ever replied to this guy after that second challenge.
For clarity, master of push hands got pushed out of bounds multiple times when both fighters were upright too. Dude lost in his supposed specialisation
If the Tai Chi master, had true internal Chi, he should be unmovable, like a rock, at least for a few minutes. Qi Gong, is the internal Chi that iam talking about.
Chi as used in chinese and Ki as used in japanese translates roughly to "breath". it has nothing to do with projecting or focusing some magical energy that can do incredible things. as far as i know, every or almost every martial arts style teaches some kind of breathing technique to help with not running out of gas in a fight. this also involves increasing lung capacity through extended exercises that require more lung capacity and lung control than most people have.
@@lonnierh0dgejr41indeed. when you hear extraordinary claims, ya gotta ask for that extraordinary evidence. when i hear "types of chi" and "he should be unmovable cuz chi" i smell a stinker of a magical thinker
We haven't covered Xu in a while, but he's still going strong. His RUclips channel is in the description and endcards. Also, upon reflection, I realize maybe I should just translate this entire event or at least more of the debate about the rules. If I do so, I'll put the extra content on Fight Commentary Extras. Make sure to subscribe to that channel. I remember a part before the match where Xu also explained that they already agreed on the rules and had it in writing. That sounds like a good part to translate and put on Fight Commentary Extras as an accompanying piece. Stay tuned!
i feel bad for the taichi guy! he can't use his taichi skills.
He is a lousy, sloppy MMA Fighter! He is no big deal, he is bold because everyone there fears the fool!
Visit Wudang Temple to fight with a Tai Chi expert, Xu Xiaodong doesn't dare
Visit wang Zhanjun, if he dares. But still don't dare
@medx1553 He can beat anybody in Wudang and Shaolin 😆 unless they are trained in Sanda
@@Bartron_Flat_Earth Xu Xiaodong didn't even dare to go to Shaolin and Wudang temples to fight , sanda comes from kung fu, see that Shaolin Tagou
Aren't these the same guys that complain that MMA had too many rules limiting their techniques?
Yep
Same guys, yeah
with no rules. mma fighters would murder these so called masters in a flash. and rules are there to protect themselves when fighting not the other way around.
Welp...
excellent point
Every Xu Xiaodong video gets an automatic thumbs up from me. That man lives up to his name.
Traditional martial artists are ALWAYS shrieking about: "the reason nobody uses our martial art in 'sport fighting' is because there are too many rules! Our martial art was created to fight without rules, where anything goes!"
And the moment you challenge them to a fight, they keep trying to impose crippling rules that prevent the other side from doing any techniques on them.
Yep
Traditional martial art is good to fight against untrained people like farmers but not against a professional fighter .
Ignoring the fact that some professional fighters do implement traditional martial arts in their training.
It's more the fact that these "masters" spent their life lazing around and scamming instead of putting in the hard work, so at best, they are mildly trained in the basics...at worst...well, they get annihilated in a matter of seconds.
The only issue I have with this is that there were a heap of rules put in place in this bout. Who's to say which side they benefited? I would prefer that both sides agree to no rules bouts. Maybe 1 rule - No killing or permanent maiming (Like gouging out the eyes for example). Then no one could complain about being artificially suppressed.
@@cashcash5995I heard it was harder to use on untrained fighters because untrained fighters don't have proper techniques and are unpredictable because they lack training
It’s OK to lose. It’s how we learn.
But lose like a man, not a petulant child.
Yeah, imagine of these Tai Chi people learned some stuff from wrestlers.
@@FightCommentary I think the Tai Chi folks are fans of Jesse Ventura; "Win if you can, lose if you must but always cheat."
I've done a ton of smokers and I gotta tell you, you remember the losses more than the wins. 'the best lessons are forged in pain'
@@collumjiggasEven in life its true but we tend to not truly learn life lessons because of our egos.
@@Aaron11411 I know a few ways to dissolve your ego, one of them is on the mat. Another is a near-death experience. Another is with shamanic ritual. None of these are easy routes.
That guy practices Pie Chi.
😅
He's reinforcing low center of gravity. How dare you.
Best comment. Lol.
Made me snicker, thanks.
😂😂😂
I was pretty impressed tai chi guy managed a sprawl, seemed to use 98% of his gas tank on it though
Yeah, after that first exchange, he had none in the gas tank.
From my experience, tai chi specializes in balance. They teach some good core concepts that can branch out into other martial arts, but I would never use tai chi exclusively as a self-defense martial art. I think lots of martial arts have this weakness. Modern Karate and Taekwondo have this apparent weakness.
@@gamrage I mean let's not get carried away, it was just a basic sprawl. I just didn't expect to see any actual techniques from him.
it kinda looked like a BJJ blue belt going to his first wrestling class. Like you can tell he's done something before, but he's still getting smashed and not by the top guys.
That's because he went in there running on fumes..lol
Tai chi is a deadly art
I love Xu Xiaodong content.
The wrestler stunted on him. He didn't even apply any pressure with the knee on belly. He did that just to let the coward know "I could do a whole lot more than just grab your leg buddy."
Yep
It's not a matter if he applied pressure or not. It's about etiquette. Even if the other guy was being an @ss it's still a bad move. Brother Xu would've acknowledged that it was unacceptable if he wasn't already annoyed at the guy complaining.
@@goldenlion7147how about the etiquette to not interrupt and complain about the rules mid fight?
He even feigned a punch for a mili sec before pulling away, and watch his disgust as he walked away against the pig on the ground lmfao.
That outburst by Xu was magnificent. I had to watch it three times. It feels like a clip that theatre professors would show to their students
You can tell he was already getting nodes in his throat. He never learned how to yell properly. There’s a technique to it.
The guy who beats the brakes off of the tai chi guy is named 王贺。He trains MMA and is 5-0. I used to work out with him in Beijing.
Cool! Thanks for info!
是的，我在北京上过他的摔跤课
Here's the thing CAN he beat a tai chi master called Bruce lee
Sure you did.
@@LiddellsCorporateEq how do you beat a dead man?
Xu really sounding like a three kingdoms actor, I love the flair he gives to defending his honor.
It's been forever since saw some new Xu Xiaodong content
I have some more too
@@FightCommentary please sir, can we have some more?
@@FightCommentary I have something in the works! I’ll email you. I’d really like to talk to you about it!!
LOVE your energy Jerry!
Thanks for adding the time intensive subtitles for the Tai Chi guy, his accent is so thick 😂
Xu's got such a teaching voice even when he's pissed he speaks super clearly lol
Yeah, he shouts in Beijing mandarin accent 😅
Dude shouldve just taken that L lol he looks silly challenging him like that after he lost to a STUDENT!
Yep
😂😂😂 When XU snapped, I cracked up! I see why he got upset😂😂😂😂 THAT DUDE LOST AND NOW HE WONNA CHANGE THE RULES😂😂😂
CLASSIC fight commentary breakdown content
I’ve never seen one of these MMA vs TCM videos that convince me the TCM guy is an ACTUAL “master. It’s always just some dude who does tai chi. Calling someone a “master” doesn’t make him a master.
Yes. The ones promoted as Masters are the ones who made themselves useful, economically and politically.
irrelevant. searching for some unicorn master , when the average kickboxer , mma, wrestler can wipe the floor with all these guys.
This has been a problem of mine with traditional martial arts schools, a lot of the instructors are waaaay out of shape. Even if you argue "oh i'm just overweight but am in shape" there is no way you will be able to keep up with someone who is not only good at martial arts, in shape for their style, and has also conditioned their body.
Imagine training your entire life building your image of being a push hand master and getting tossed around like a ragdoll by a guy half your weight lmao
A High School Wrestler can beat all these Tai Chi masters in seconds not surprises here.
It's almost like you need to practice combat to be good at it. Crazy
@@arbogast4950 Yeah Tai Chi guys needs know that what they train it's fantasy and doesn't work in fights, If Chinese people start train what work maybe one day they will have a UFC champion.
This are not realbtai chi. This are unfit taichi masters
@@yang5159 I'ne never seen a Tai Chi Master do well in combat sports.
@@DouglasGomesBueno-jw9lh There is a Chinese UFC champion(Weili Zhang) but she trains an actual effective martial art compared to these clowns.
Any thing with Xu Xiaodong is fascinating. His fight with tcm is so entertaining.
Xu Xiaodong screaming at the opposing school was some epic kung fu movie shit
He would last 1 minute 15 seconds.... that is how long it would take to read the rules and have 10 seconds of fighting
Hey bro i love your channel and i watch it from time to time but i never subscribed. I'm going to subscribe now so i can find you easily. Keep doing what you are doing. Your videos are pretty interesting.
Welcome aboard!
I feel bad about the McDojo phenomena of WTF taekwondo in the USA,
God this makes me feel better, China has it much worse
Runs away from student and now completely vanishes from the master... That's some serious bullshido right there, LOL!!😂😂
Neon Belly is an advanced finishing move :D
Tai Chi? Wait, that's a real martial art? I thought it was just some meditative thing that old people do, similar to Yoga, lol.
Waiting for follow-ups, good job fellow Chinese fighters! Also the subtitle translation is on point. Good job! 支持你哈哈
Conditioning, efficient body mechanics, and experience with resisting opponents, wins every time.
yeah also going against 50 year old out of shape masters is helping
Jerry....you and my buddy, Ye Olde Analog Video Store, absolutely made my day with your posts. He posted a Taiwanese Kung Fu/Ninja movie by the late, great Robert Tai. He was part of the Venoms troupe and was an amazing, off the wall choreographer. Definitely look him up.
He made this film called Ninja:The Final Duel, which is batshite crazy, and was definitely a great throwback to Saturday/Sunday afternoon TV when I was little.
And then you go ahead and make the rest of my day by posting another new clip by the Phoney Destroyer himself, Xiu Xiao Dong (sorry for spelling). This was so damn cool to see him in action again.
I had an absolute LOUSY fekkin' day. And these posts definitely never fail to at least making things a bit more bearable. God bless ya, brother!
Hope you have a better day tomorrow!
Will do,.good sir!
Love love Robert Tai aka 'Dai Chi-a' i luckily worked a few times w him 80s& 90s...death cage & trinity goes east...yes he is bonkers!... in a good way
Imagine how many "rules" you need to win a fight, and you know the fake martial artists always claiming they would beat anyone if there is no rules, but when actual fight comes, all the rules starts coming out.
You deseve a lot more subscribers than you currently have. Keep up the good job.
I appreciate that!
Hey, Jerry. I need some advice. I wanna make fight commentary videos like you, but I have no way to get those obscure videos that you usually get. Any way to find those obscure fight videos
Kung fu practitioners have honestly allowed their humility to become prideful. I really believe that there are great techniques in many kung fu styles, but there's no excuse for neglecting sparring in this day and age. Clinging to the past, to tradition, to an environment that's easy to cultivate respect and never get challenged. The whole mentality of training is just wrong. Go find a 20 something kung fu expert, they don't exist, because somewhere along the line, people thought it made sense for it to take students 10 - 20 years before they had any competence at all, and even then they don't spar.
I still say Xu would be a great Odd Job in a Bond movie.
edit: You gotta admit he is hilarious when he is pissed off.
thanks for your commentary and hard work with this video
My pleasure
How can you wrestle without grabbing the legs?
Exactly
you dont know that. bcs you lean from a taichi master
I love how hype Xu gets.
Man is a great showman actually. Knows how to get attention
@@austinsavageonly a nice guy who can't stand fake masters showing the reality.
Trying to get publicity for his school
@@hbc511 Government of China destroyed his life he do This for expose how fake these Kung Fu Masters are.
He's straight out of those classic Kung-fu movies where he goes in and challenges all the schools and starts a war lol.
Nice video, Jerry. Very entertaining.
Glad you enjoyed it! I had to add more to my original analysis, and thank goodness I found that second challenge by the Tai Chi master. Then I knew the saga was complete ;)
Dude tai chi is not for fighting
Its for tranquility
Why are u all so mad on the art if a crazy person thinks is for fighting ?
i like this channel for not letting the xu xiaodong's message go silent on the west side
There might be a gap in skill here. But it's difficult to evaluate, because there was such a big gap in speed and intensity.
my main has massive main character energy
To any viewers who want the Chinese translation to this phrase: 主角光环 ;)
Funny that it starts with him nerfing his own people to spare them a lot of hurt... no slamming. Xu Xiaodong is a legend for exposing the bullshido fakes.
Thai Chi only works for Jet Li movies not in real life. 😂
I practiced Tae Kwon Do for 7 years, i can safely say there are no wrestling style moves, or really any grappling at all. Most of it looks really cool, but is not practical in an actual fight, basics and conditioning do help but if i were to go against a BJJ guy or a good wrestler he'd tear me apart. Once you get grabbed its like "ok welp, meh kicks are useless now"
Balance & discipline.
I learned a bit grappling.
I say you get benefit above and that makes it easier and faster if you wants to learn other martial arts.
I was sparring with my BJJ buddy. He's a purple belt, I'm a black belt in tkd, my buddy had a hard time bringing me down even after grabbing my leg, its all about balance and being squirrelly to stay up
@@rastaboy_gamesnstuff7778 "squirrelly" is my word of the year now so far in a grappling context
If you remember, back when MMA got started, there were "masters" of all kinds of arts who entered and got clobbered. Turned out that none of them were real "masters" of anything, when you looked at their records. They were guys *claiming* to be masters. So far, all I've seen Xu Xiaodong and his guys fight are the same sort of wannabe's that *claim* to be masters.
@@teovu5557 Good point. But I was thinking about all the "Kung Fu", "Silat", and so on, type of guys who showed up with fancy outfits and exotic bowing and scraping, mimicking David Carradine on TV, I guess. It was embarassing. These guys weren't really experts in "Tai Chi", "Kung Fu", "Silat", etc., and they did a lot to harm the reputations of those styles. Same with the bozos who claim to be "Tai Chi Masters" and fight Xu Xiaodong ("Xiaodong" means "Little Dong"). So all the know-nothings jump on various forums and talk about how Xu Xiaodong has "exposed" Taijiquan. SMH.
Wing chun and tai chi that can beat Xu Xiaodong and his armies have not been born yet.
Doubt they ever would, closest thing too mma is probably jeet kun do but who knows. Ive spar a wing chun guy caught him with hooks and overhands it was quite funny other then that w.e they use not saying its useless as long as not in their range .
@@teovu5557 everybody was still far too hung up on styles when bruce lee started JKD. it was bruce lee that got me away from my obsession with styles. well said.
@@teovu5557 i never said it was martial art if you did read closely. I said jkd is close to mma ( mix martial art ) . Cause it mix a bunch of stuff together that being said might had a better chance against the xu xiaodong students cause he believes in mma more
@tonyroronoa7357 It's not about mixing, is just about using your body the best way possibly. JKD Concepts teaches the mixing but thats not real JKD
@@Bartron_Flat_Earth And the result is, No wing chun and Tai chi can beat MMA..
Thanks for the videos.
This never gets old
Thanks Bro. I just got inspiration to write a screenplay for a comedy movie, in the same vein as "Shaolin Soccer". It will be called "Tai Chi Wrestling".
Are there any clips on this guy fighting a Choy Lee Fut practitioner?If so could you please share the link?
If you fight in the streets there are no agreements, and you ain't going to do s*** with Tai chi in the street you going to get your ass kicked, with a fighter who trains in boxing and wrestling or just a straight up boxer or a straight up wrestler. Never mind putting in other styles of kicking and kneeing like Muay Thai. This is why we have the MMA it's been proven that none of those styles work, you have to have a complete style That's why the Gracie's beat everybody in the UFC, Kung Fu guys karate guys boxers, even a sumo wrestler. And now MMA so complete that you need the full spectrum, of the blended arts called MMA.
I never liked Xu much because he just seemed like he hated kung fu guys for no reason. But now I can see why he gets so pissed off, because even when he shows respect to these guys, they are sore losers and do not return that respect.
He always stated he hated fraudulent kung fu and self proclaimed kung fu masters. There are just too many out there with no pressure testing who get obliterated in sparring and real fights. Then you have the ones who cant fight at all...
He does and still hates them he hates traditional martial arts as a whole and it's very obvious, he just uses that as an excuse to cover up his real intentions and what's even sadder is that a lot of you are dumb enough to fall for his bs
If that taiji guy spent 6 months of wresting or shuai jiao he would be really good
And lost some of that beer belly. Honestly tai chi guy could be so good if he dropped his ego and excuses.
Did you record these videos in an English speaking country ? where you at?
I wish to see matches between different schools of fight using their own style. When they set a rule for the fight, it doesn't prove anything about their own system.
I like that this channel finds cool footage. I’m a little confused by all these challenges and supposed split between “traditional” cma and “new”. One of many examples would be Chen village folks. They fight in kickboxing and other types of tournaments a lot. And do well.
This Taiji guy just didn’t realize what he was dealing with cuz he’s gotten older and fatter but not more humble. He may be good at push hands in his bracket but they don’t go for the legs as far as I know and usually don’t even snap the back of the neck down. And he may have never crosstrained. I’m 45 and do some Taiji and Bagua and sometimes boxing and mma and Muay Thai. But I more focus on going slow because that’s what my body type needs.
I have read that back in the day Bagua guys usually also did wrestling. That’s good and I know lots of guys that are missing that element in their practice.
The younger guy looks to have a good amount of wresting. And IMO wrestling has the toughest conditioning. So trying to wrestle a wrestler is usually gonna lead to a good humbling lesson. These guys are just all up in their feelings.
I'm a big fan of Xu Xiaodong, I'm Canadian and don't speak Chinese but I am subscribed to his channel. It is extremely unfair the treatment he gets just for telling and showing the truth about fighting. He doesn't want people lied to or ripped off and because of that on T.V. in China he has to wear facepaint. He deserves so much better, he's a great person and great fighter.
Hey bro where you from? I hear Buffalo accent but … ?
Mma looks like a more realistic kind of self defence.
Great video!
Traditional Kung Fu be like: We train to perfect body, to hit vital points, to kill in one move. We don't train for the ring. There is no rule in tight situations.
Also traditional Kung Fu in tight situations: No, don't do that please. That is not what I agree. Stand still so I can hit your vital point. Stop moving so much.
love your coverage Jerry1
Thanks! More to come!
Is your Mandarin good enough to interview the wrestler in this video? I can put you in contact with him.
I WOULD LOVE TO INTERVIEW HIM! Please connect us! My wechat is jerryasmr if that's easy for him.
I added you and asked him. He said it was fine. He should be adding you soon as well. If not, I can make a group chat after you add me. My name is Rich.@@FightCommentary
@@FightCommentary please tell me the interview actually happened/is happening/will happen 😭😭😭 I'd be so stocked to watch your interview!!
Its nonsense. If you cannot hook the leg what is the point of grabbing the leg?
Exactly
please keep us up to date on xu. the world needs him
Never heard about Tang wen long name in Tai chi. Anyways, they try to combat on wrestling only?
From my view, that Tai chi guy is not the high level skill enough on Taichi push hand. However, I also dont think that Taichi could beat wrestler on wrestling, but Taichi has more techniques on punch, shoulder etc, lacking of these it's very hard to beat wrestler.
Man. Xu Xiao Dong was really pissed.
If you're in any type of martial art you should have some sort of stamina this person has zero.
The Tai Chi Master just can't accept that what he practices just don't work.
Hes used to pushing around new students that don't know any better.
Est-ce un maître ?
C'est plutôt qu'il n'arrive pas à appliquer cet art martial je pense .
I think tai chi have a potential to work
Man, you don't know nothing about Tai Chi.
@@ramqi6239 taichi is only normal exercise
All of them complain… let them complain in a street fight…
Tai Chi master does not really have good moves because his base and centre of gravity are all over the place. Whatever his top half is doing is irrelevant because of that
It looks like he is used to using his weight to dominate rather than technique which is why he is so easy to off balance and take down
He does lean a lot. You see that in push hands people sometimes. They lean their entire weight on people. That's their secret to Kongjin ;)
@@FightCommentary Haha well that's also the secret to getting your balance broken instantly
The key foundation of all stand up grappling is to break someone else's balance while not being vulnerable yourself, which is a skill this guy just straight up doesn't have
Yeah, I think he's used to using his weight to push people around. So he's not got too much skill, but seeing how he moved, he had a lot of potential if he actually humbled himself and tried to get outside his tai chi paradigm. But alas, it's probably never going to happen.
@@FightCommentary yeah I agree, I would be willing to bet that with a brush up on some good fundamentals and just a lot of sparring he could be pretty formidable
Same with any of the Tai Chi people that actually do practice against real live resisting opponents, I am sure their stuff could work irl
Just need good basics and a lot of sparing hours and almost any style will become highly functional
this "master" probably have outpushed all his students and most other hobbist martial artists that he met, and probably developed certain attributes to win over those who are weaker, slower and less skilled. before Xu's student he has never faced that level of pressure and speed, couldn't follow the pace of the wrestler.
Let's say he can probably outpush 80% of those who never trained, but all it does is boost his ego, make him a big infant so he can't accept failure. Sadly many traditional artists- or most Chinese- were not properly educated about failure.
Yep. Him against normies he wins on body mass alone. Gave him an ego.
If doing push hands with movement should it nit be done slowly and with out force as to exchange ideas a d learn ones central li e a d limits to grow and learn to me
is the shouting guy that uses MMA style beat Wing Chun sifu with K.O on previously fight?
Yep
I don’t get it?
What is this?
Why are they wrestling?
Why is the one guy young and in perfect shape and the other guy is old, moves slow and is just over weight?
How can they get so mad about a simple beat down?
I guess I only have questions?
The guy gets in a fight losses. Goes home and wants another fight but, now he wants full contact no rules. Then arms. Then nuclear weapons.
😂
Thank you, had to watch this again!
The Tai Chi guy was full, he had just taken his lunch earlier.😂
It would be interesting to see a team comp of Kapu Kuialua (Polynesian) versus Mongolian wrestling vs Greco Roman vs Laamb (Senegalese ) wrestling. Perhaps they are similar enough that rules could be made that could accommodate all four styles ?
I did not see the neon belly.
Never knew this was even possible.
Xu sounding like Clubber Lang here 😀
That's hilarious!
Great fun video!!!😂😂
Best job i've ever seen a tai chi guy do. I'm actually pretty impressed. I think the gripe about knee on belly was legit. Still didn't win. Got dominated
you dont watch this channel much then
are there tai chi guys that did better?@@jacksmith4460
How has Influencer Boxing not picked up Xu Xiaodong yet?
"8 seconds".
That is the answer to your "How long would this guy last against Xu?" question.
I worked for a lot of years trying to accomplish what this "taichi" guy thinks he can do. That "sprawl" was the antithesis of the "yielding" and redirecting that the art teaches. You can't just do the form and push hands and think you can deal with explosive grapplers like that. You actually have to train with those guys.
Many years ago when I lived near serra's school in Huntington NY he had an awesome "take down" class. There was no grappling, once you hit the floor it was over. You started on your feet and went till someone was down. If it was your turn you went against every guy in class, one after the other. It was fast paced and awesome. But the class was dropped because not many people wanted to do it. Most bjj guys would rather not do that shit.
Then I trained at att in Asheville for a while. Point being, you have to test your abilities and train with real grapplers. I had flashes of success. But to do the "push hands" type redirection against guys like that takes a tremendous amount of skill and training from someone that actually knows what they are doing, and they are few. And you have to do it from childhood, which I did not. Eventually I gave up because I was always injured and it started to effect my ability to earn a living.
Yeah but what has been of Xiu Xaodong? I used to follow his quest of unmasking fake masters, but it's been a while since the last fight I know of
So good to see Xu Xiaodong doing ok. He’s a bit of a beast 👌
Keep sifting out the fakes from the actual fighters who put in the hours and the work.
How long would that Tai Chi Master last against Xu Xiaodong? How fast can someone tap out? Seriously.
I didn't even think about about using BJJ. Imagine if Xu took the back and then applied a RNC. But likely tai chi side not not agree to submissions. Would have been a great match. I should ask Xu if he ever replied to this guy after that second challenge.
How long would he last? Not long.
Tai Chi guy needs to stay off those dumplings, he rolled like the dumpling! lolzz
I'm interested in what happens if the two teachers fight/spar
Great vid. I'm in.
For clarity, master of push hands got pushed out of bounds multiple times when both fighters were upright too. Dude lost in his supposed specialisation
Yep
yo, i like the green screen man
Next time I'm in a street fight , going to call time out time out LMAO 😂
Might work if you had a lot of friends backing you up
@@FightCommentary lol for sure. Hey bro like your channel. What ever happened to the Russian master? That was hilarious!
If the Tai Chi master, had true internal Chi, he should be unmovable, like a rock, at least for a few minutes. Qi Gong, is the internal Chi that iam talking about.
oh so you truly believe that "internal chi" exists? or are you poking fun with sarcasm? cuz ya sound like you believe in magic
Chi as used in chinese and Ki as used in japanese translates roughly to "breath". it has nothing to do with projecting or focusing some magical energy that can do incredible things. as far as i know, every or almost every martial arts style teaches some kind of breathing technique to help with not running out of gas in a fight. this also involves increasing lung capacity through extended exercises that require more lung capacity and lung control than most people have.
@@lonnierh0dgejr41im gonna go ahead and say breathing techniques do not make you "unmovable (sic) like a rock"
@@21centdregs no, lowering your center of mass and keeping your opponent from getting any leverage does. yes, i do love science. 🤓
@@lonnierh0dgejr41indeed. when you hear extraordinary claims, ya gotta ask for that extraordinary evidence. when i hear "types of chi" and "he should be unmovable cuz chi" i smell a stinker of a magical thinker
Winning or losing proves nothing about an art but the man