I use the term "feed me a punch" when I'm demo-ing certain moves or concepts instead of "throw a punch" so students know it's meant as a way to practice something specific . There are times you can trap or stick to an arm during a punch-like attack but we're talking about something that's closer to a shove when somebody untrained gets mad and they just want to push your face away or grab it . There's that little window between the beginning of a self defense situation and when things turn into a squared up fight and some things go from working to not working . In the end you're going to bring your hands up by reflex anyhow, there's no time to think and plan because you're in striking range . It's once you make contact that your drills take over . If the arm retracts you work with that, if it stays and pressures , you work with that. And for me, at 57 , I'm not interested in MMA competition, and the odds of me getting mugged by a trained fighter are very, very , very low. So it only makes sense to train for what I am most likely to face. I'm trying to catch them off guard and off balance and hurt them enough that they can't keep doing what they are doing then get out of there. That's a different skill set than you may use for mutually agreed fighting although many of those skills do overlap so train them as well. A solid 1-2 can solve many a problem!
@@sergeb.1717 Exactly that! that’s why the circles must be smaller and therefore learning other art’s basics, offensive and defensives will help myself and others properly apply the Taiji applications real time!
We’ll said, I’ve been practicing Chen tai chi for well over a decade. It is a grappling art more or less. A lot of the applications work in stand up grappling or clinch type of situation. Where you are able to ground yourself and maintain peng to neutralize there force away from your center and take there’s where it wants to go! Good stuff man!! Also, saw your video on push hands against some mma guys. It was real good stuff! Keep it up brotha!
Chen tai chi was not a grappling art but a fa jing kill you art '' master sun lu tang was taught small frame chen from master hands and his form works in milimeter fa jing
@@david9180 It's a 'contact' art where the more points of contact you have, the more you can control and gain advantage over your opponent, which is why 'grappling' is a good shorthand for tai chi's effective fighting mode and range. Fajin is one aspect of tai chi, but definitely not all it is about.
I really love seeing application videos like these! I'm a beginner to grappling and doing BJJ right now, but I really love Tai Chi's history, culture, and how the moves actually work. I'm really glad to see videos like these that cover how Tai Chi ACTUALLY works in real applications. I've seen way too many videos from "masters" that do the usual "hold your arm out 6 inches from my face and wait for me to throw you" and it's really refreshing to see someone who actually knows how to use it for grappling. I hope you make more of these, I really love seeing real Tai Chi!
This is why I practise the form applications against grabs and pushes, while being aware of possible incoming punches. It's crucial to understand that Tai Chi is based in grappling. While it may have striking techniques, these are executed within the context of grappling. So for instance, the front heel kick with the hands out to the sides... looks odd until you realise the hands are grasping the opponents wrists as you kick him. Without that element, the posture would just be really bad kickboxing.
Hmm, a better way to consider it is that the jab does not have committed energy, and therefore there is no time for a comprehensive parry. Instead one should use the smallest movement possibly to divert the jab, ideally so it crosses his centreline. then one must wait for the committed energy, where you can apply the technique, on either the second or third strike. A harder task is to deal with the movement of the centreline, and low/high combinations of attack. In short, with the scenario you were demonstrating, one must distinguish between committed energy and snap energy, and coordinate your defence accordingly
The problem with the large circular movements is that they aren't applied correctly. The movement has to be explosive and fast, otherwise you waste energy to prolong the engagement. The goal is to break their arm instantly and/or throw them, something you shouldn't do unless that kind of violence is the only option, so likewise you probably wouldn't want to do that in a cage fight. Of course you have a little more restraint in sparring and demonstrating. To really use this movement with the correct level of explosiveness, leverage, and speed needed to negate the effects of resistance would be to cause immediate trauma to the other person. You are correct that many people who study taijiquan do not do so with the holistic practices. They do not prepare for fighting, thus they cannot fight. It is a psychological and physiological endeavor that takes much conditioning on all fronts. You need to cultivate all your body and mind's attributes, this is gongfu. Sadly many people who claim to practice traditional martial arts do not have good gongfu. Nor do they know how to cultivate through gongfu. Battlefield martial arts are traumatic and violent, but understanding the original essence of the forms is necessary for the worst case scenarios to end violence as quickly and definitively as possible. It is true that we can modify and adapt the forms to a degree that is fitting for sports, and this can be good and bad. If the original essence of that form is lost, then people will not understand it.
Hey nice video but, what is your opinion on tai chi fa jin learned through silk reeling? Technically dosent that mean tai chi can be also a striking art along with grappling? (Since you do learn how to punch and kick and so on).
Essentially tai chi is meant to teach you how to move properly. Essentially all martial arts are meant to teach you how to move properly. Moving properly is being able to move perfectly. However, one shouldn't strive for moving perfectly. One should strive for moving ideally. And to cultivate, as cultivation leads to a calm and stable mind - and great internal power as a result of being virtuous.
Excellent break down, Tai chi is excellent at foiling Judo and BJJ, but also is a great supplement to those systems, but when combat turns to a more staccato boxerish pace, wing chun, or or southern mantis are good systems that integrate well with tai chi as comprehensive striking solutions, along with muay tai or even conventional boxing.
I practice WC along side my Taiji and there are many comlimentary practices like root and Zhong Ding moving mass around a precisly balanced and rooted point in space/body. WC also lacks many entry methods, I got mine from Choy Li Fut and Hung Gar which both have very aggressive engaging patterns that compliment the Taiji Shapes and Body.
you're so patient in explaining taiji to these superficial mma bots who have never engaged in good faith, and have all the same knee-jerk opinions. excellently played here
Tai chi has so far never established itself from anyone to be successful in a fight ' that's a fact ' superficiality if that's your interpretation is better than deluded disposition ' until I see anyone any so called master actually defending himself against muay thai bbj boxing etc without being destroyed everytime in less than 3 minutes then we must conclude that tai chi chuan is lost
@@david9180 taiji beat so many people that the emperor of china mandated it as the martial art of his personal guard. Modern practitioners might not be up for mma competitions, but the art stands on it's historical merit.
It does not stand on anything but mockery and disgrace from so called masters that are hit once and the fight is stopped in less than a minute ' it's an embarrassment
To be frank, this is the fault of chinese TMA practitioners. Both kung fu and tai chi schools often don't pressure test their techniques and don't do any sparring, nor they step up in the ring/cage to show their abilities.
Great explanation. Its very similar story with Wing Chun. I did karate for 12+ years, kickboxing for bit over 3 yrs, then tried Wing Chun for over 6 years. Everything works great when action happens up to 70% speed. As a lot of the techniques commit 2 hands vs one, At combat speed it creates openings for a semi experienced fighter. There are however a number of useful Wing Chun techniques that can translate well into MMA / street situation) (Oblique kick or stomp kick as we called it, controlling the front elbow. Bill Sao + rear punch against a long hook i was able to use to great effect in sparring vs fairly experienced kickboxers and MMA sparring) There is more but its getting long already. Keep up the good work.
If you are "Committing" two hands in Wing Chun, then you are Not using WC properly. You make the Bridge, then you Sink it. You take apart the OPs defenses, one by one.. usually pinned their rear arm, as the final result before launching your close range strikes on them. I used to spar against artists of all sorts, including modern MMA fighters, at full speed, and heavy power levels... and I never had any issues dealing with them. Often the OPs I sparred against, were Well over my own mass and strength class... as at that time, I was only 150 lbs. Its unfortunate, but there are a lot of poor quality WC teachers... that while they have some decent knowledge to share... have never really fought against other arts, and have misinterpreted a lot of things. My suggestion to you... is to first try a drill, where you have a fighter try to hit you... and you only use One Arm, against their Two. Due to your limitations, you can tell them not to Grab your arm for this particular drill. The goal is to last the 3 minutes or so, without taking a single punch. Ive also used this as a Demo, to show an MMA fighter, some of the differences in how Chinese arts function. Despite being a good fighter with Textbook level technique, he was unable to land a single hit on me. If you are struggling to defend yourself well with a single arm... then this will show you some of your main flaws in how WC is designed to operate. Once you have mastered this drill.. you will find it Easy to dominate the OP when you get your 2nd arm back into the mix. My demo with the MMA fighter, was actually in several parts. The first round was as stated, one arm vs his two. The next round, was Legs vs Legs (any kick of kicks, and leg defenses allowed. No handstrikes). This is where WCs advanced Leg Fencing system comes into play. Sadly, a lot of WC practitioners are rarely in the system long enough, to have learned these methods.. which are similar to the Hand Tech methods of WC. I also didnt officially learn them... but seeing some video clips about them, I was able to figure them out on my own. The next Round, was Dual Arms vs Dual Arms. And the Final Round, was basically "Anything Goes" (All limbs in play). Each of Our rounds, were probably about 3 minutes. Except for the last round... As he was so overwhelmed by being completely shut down and pummeled repeatedly... that he gave up in like 70 seconds. I will also say that way too many WC practitioners, blindly rush into the Op with Chain punches... without FIRST disabling BOTH of the OPs Defenses. This is a HUGE issue, and is why most of those dudes will be Destroyed by a decent fighter. WC is never supposed to use "Risky" behaviors in its Principles of Combat. You never hit, unless the OP is at very close range, and they are unable to hit you back. BTW - That demo was down with our Barefist... As at the time and place, I didnt have gear with me. In order to spar somewhat safely without gear, I showed the dude a few examples first: I shot a strike towards the guys chest, as FAST as I could... and then Stopped right at / before the surface. Then, I used very mild "Push-Force", to push my fist into his chest, about 3 inches deep. I told him that Surface level hits do not count. That you must show at least 3 inches of Penetration depth... for anything to Count as a hit. Then I showed him an example, with the head. I threw a fast round haymaker towards the side of his head... then stopped right at the surface. I told him to relax his head, and allow his jaw / head to swivel, as I pushed my fists into his jawline, causing his head to naturally rotate with my fists mild "Push". I showed a few of these example... then I had to make sure that HE was capable of doing the same... so I tested him, and had him try each of these examples, as least three times in a row. After seeing that he was capable of Controlling himself properly at Full speeds... I deemed him as being fine for sparring without Gear. Had he managed to cause any sort of impacts that went deeper than half a CM in these tests.. then I may have denied him this experience... until gloves were available. That said, we all know that MMA gloves really mess up the way that WCs arm techs feel... and function. Yes, you can still use them effectively.. but there will be some limitations and some issues. You cant easily snake into small openings, when you have two 7" diameter spheres, on your hands. And since they also have them... that makes it even harder to get Around all of the 3d space that these things Eat up. There are also issues, with the OP being able to catch your wrists easier, via the thick LIP of the gloves. And you lose some sensitivity, some speed, and some other things. Now, I did tell him that I didnt really care that much about taking a potential shot in the chest... as I have done years of Shaolin style Iron Body conditioning. However, I was more concerned with someone getting struck in the head, and potentially Knocked out. Anyway... the best part about this sparring method... is that you can actually Spar at FULL acceleration, and Full Speeds... Realistically, with FAR less potentials for serious injuries. With Kicks to his kneecap... I showed him a demo of how power travels into the knee, by using a mild palm strike to the spot, just above his kneecap. I warned that I didnt want to have to use crippling power in my kicks, to prove a point... so when I kick, I will only add a small bit of "Sting" to it... acting more like a Stop-Kick, rather than putting serious impact power potentials on them. That kind of kick isnt a penetration based technique, so the 3" push method cant be applied the same way as the hand methods.
It’s the same issue with most eastern martial arts. An over-emphasis and attachment to the forms which leads to impractical fighting drills, which leads to an impractical movements in free fighting. Then when the teacher or student questions their art critically enough, they lose that attachment to the forms, principles and begin to practise more efficient movements which no longer resemble that chosen art, and resemble more competent fighting systems such as boxing, wrestling, or MMA. At that point in time the most honest thing to do is to lose attachment to said art for fighting, and call your free fighting what it is, “Boxing” or “Wrestling” or “MMA.”
@The practice of Push Hands weaves together a vibrant array of components, both internal and external, forming a captivating masterpiece. It demands practitioners to harmonize conscious choices and flexibility, akin to the strategic moves in chess, all the while embracing the myriad of influences and serendipitous moments that unfold. Within this fusion, practitioners endeavor to attain a profound unity and intention in their motions, symbolized by the notion of completing a full circle.😎
Finally a Tai Chi Chuan man that understands boxers etc. I'm a TCC man, too. I sparred against my Karate friends 20+ years ago and they kept hurting my arms on impact. I didn't use pads. Soon I'll be a black belt in Tae Kwon Do. My classmates and TKD teachers are 20 years younger so I'm too slow against them, but except for the high level classmates that keep their distance I'm able to use my TCC walking to trip them until they fall. I do things like stepping on their feet or stepping behind their legs and bumping them with my hips or thighs. Now I use pads, head protection with a plastic face shield, too. Thank you for the great video. I do weigh 240 pounds and I'm fat. They weigh just less than 200 pounds.
The biggest problem is people, too often, try to fight with the form. The form is just an exercise to teach you physics of the fighting. Tai chi fighting in essence should look like any other style of fighting. The difference is how it feels! Good demo!
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There is not one tai chi fighter nor so called master that has fought a boxer mma muay thai bbj nor anyone else proving that it is a competent self defense system ' now that's just fact
one thing a lot of people forget about tai chi is the movement as a posture and movement as an application, it has a static and a flow, in boxing terms a cover or guard(static) a punch or clinch(flow) also understanding who you are fighting and not overthinking it, tai chi is great for self defence if you know how to use it properly and understand the correct uses for it's movements and postures, but then again the same can be said for any martial art
Very good point. Teaching like this would be like a jiu jitsu coach showing a flying armbar as a counter to a jab. Tai Chi is an effective grappling system, but like every other grappling you need to force entanglements, which is done aggressively.
Tai Chi would be perfect in a Men vs Women UFC!!! The men do not hit the women, only stop the women from hitting them. 😂 It would be brilliant! Men winning without hitting.
Tai Chi is an in close stand up grappling art that specialists in uprooting unbalancing and taking down an opponent. Its particularly good at making the opponent perpetually trip over his own feet untill he hits the ground. Its not really meant to be used in longer ranges like you find in kick boxing. At range, you are better off using external Long fist (that specializes in the longer range). Close the gap, and then use Tai Chi to take control.
my sifu and i don't focus a ton on application. what i do is train the forms in the morning, then spar in kyokushin and kickboxing later in the day. what's wild is the more i internalize the forms, the more the techniques just automatically come out in sparring, without me even knowing explicitly how to apply them. the biggest is my ability to catch kicks and also tangle arms and push to creat distance. it's really useful. actually generally works a bit better in kickboxing bc we can punch the head but the big gloves get in the way. but pushing with two hands is also technically illegal in kyokushin rules (not that we really worry about those too much in regular sparring asie from the face punching). in a perfect world, small gloves muay thai rules would be much more prevalent in my area
Kung-Fu practitioner since’89, here; 5-Animal Shaolin. I was surprised to find that I was in the minority; apparently only 5% of Kung-Fu schools have sparring(?). Glad to see more TCMArtists getting into 2-man applications
Great explanations. Tai Chi is a beautiful art with the effective and gritty hidden in between. Been awaiting more content from you. You never disappoint sir. Thanks!
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You are exactly correct. You must be able to block and strike back. I have taken goshin jujitsu and we are taught to block or parry and strike. You must be taught to strike and block a punch.
Was TaiChi even created to use in fights? I thought it more of an internal art for health. Looks to me that you have to do combative arts for fighting and Tai chi for health and internal strength to make some aspects of Tai chi to work.
Tai Chi is a Supplement to other arts. It depends on which direction you want to take with this, if someone just wants to get healthy and relax, destress then just do the forms and flow, if they wish to fight then learn the forms, learn push hands, then start going over basic techniques with a boxer or someone competent in basic striking so you’re not getting unrealistic responses and keep building
That’s almost all martial arts, including supposed self defence systems. They demonstrate against someone holding out a limb. The main problem I see with tai chi online is that most of the people teaching it as a fighting art don’t even spar, let alone compete against other fighters.
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@In Defence of the Traditional Martial Arts Yo.... long time no see man how are you? Okay so sparring is a really good way to train techniques.... for fighting. If you're going to be a fighter you should learn to fight. Tai Chi is a combat art. The fighting part of Tai Chi is Sanshou and Shuai Jiao. None of which this person did. So.... this is in no way reprenetative of Tai Chi strategy or application.
well done cool video you are so right and I think Western boxing compliments Tai chi where as Kickboxing is a better fit Karate or Taekwondo, the other thing is boxing is quick Art to learn if you Apply yourself and have a good coach
taichi principle is ying yang， and in 3D， groin kick and attack is an integral part(or foot stomps)。 so when someone is throwing punches at your head，where the opponents attention/focus/ direction of movement is on the upper body, that’s the Yang of the moment， the obvious space that opens up is ying, that’s where your Yang goes in. If you look at your video, draw a circle of ying yang in y-axis, covering your opponent and you, you see that clearly. You are meeting his Yang with your Yang. That’s double Yang. Not Ying Yang. I learnt this the hard way when I as ask my sifu what happens if I throw flurry of fast punches? He asked me to do it on him, and I went in with 7-8 punches a second to his face, and was kicked in the groin without seeing the kick. Think of ying yang like a body of water on top of a rock. It looks still, when there are no cracks and opening in the rocks, but the water is actively pushing down on the rock every moment, and when the rock crack, show an opening, the water doesn’t wait a beat, it flows into the rock. I am also 4th dan in kendo, and I use this taichi mentality/spatial sense in it. When you look still, only because there’s no opening, when ying yang is balanced. Historical taichi masters saying some one’s taichi is good, they use the phrase “出手即見紅“ literal translation is， “when he does strike, you see blood immediately”, goes in for the kill, no wasted extra movements。 Also, the very first movement in taichi form, 起手式 can be broken down to 4 attacks in one movement, 1)attack to the groin with back of hand, 2)attack to chin when raising the hands, 3)jab to throat when sinking the elbow, 4) presss/push to chest when hands up and going down. Also, practice so that you should be able to perform groin kick with almost every position/transition in the taichi form(without loosing balance, without moving your shoulders), to make sure you ying yang is clear(polarized).
Not bad. You have to be in close to use the 8 energies. The Tai Chi strategy is the same as any art to a degree. Strike when in range. When contact is made seek to use that contact to disrupt the persons mass. Use that mass disruption to finish the encounter. As Tai Chi advances the circles get smaller and smaller until they disappear and all you have is standing.
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Nice thanks! And even then it is no comparison because this is indoors and not outdoors without gloves and a protective environment. You will see that it will be a completely different game for a boxer.
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super video! One of the few great out there. Lets assume the technique wouldnt be from tai chi kung fu bjt from another modern style... No one would come to the conclusion that you could do a throwing technique from punching range in the defense... It would be the same bullshit like to do a jab within a grappling situation. Tha fact that other tai chi masters/practisoners show it with the wrong situational idea just shows their low level of martial arts.
Als men een techniek toont moet men deze niet tonen zoals men ze in de vormen beoefend want zo worden deze technieken niet gebruikt.Wanneer u een echte meester bent moet u dat weten u moet in een tijd deze techniek uitvoeren en niet in twee tijden want dan bent u veel sneller.
So, I like what I see :). It's so rare seeing that kind of content about chinese martial arts in general and Tai Chi in particular. I haven't seen your other videos yet, but just based on that, you make me feel like you're the Iain Abernethy of Tai Chi, and I greatly appreciate that :). Now, something I've noticed. In your first demonstration (the one about 2:56 ), the moves you use remind me of a karate kata called heian (pinan) sandan. The first 6 moves are basically the same, as they have the same idea behind them. Just goes to show how intertwined martial arts are :)
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I have to ask you directly if you feel you need another combat Art to make your Taijiquan functional why aren’t you playing/training taijiquan at all ? 😱🐲⚠️
As for your comments of using elements of taijiquan I will concur. Yet, that is no different than using any martial style in general where what we actually see are bits and pieces of the whole art being applied. You have to learn other striking arts as you say it is misleading. Yes. Study the styles of otters doesn’t mean we use their methods/techniques. You present this in a convoluted manner dude. Those who are novices listening to you would be confused imho.
I usually see diagonal flying on the other side, where you slip the jab, being on the outside of it, grab it with your left hand, put the right under his shoulder, your right leg behind his, then pop him backwards, not forwards.
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Interesting ' master sun lu tang has his photograph in honour in Japanese dojos for defeating karate masters '' master yang never lost a fight master Cheng min.ching actually went looking for fights in his youth and never lost and hsing tuan was taught to the generals of the chinese military only so that they could defeat and if nessesary kill insubordinate soldiers that were only taught eagle claw ' master Guo was in prison for killing 3 bandits with his smashing fist and master yang had a reputation for crippling people ' we must conclude that the true training has been hidden and lost ''
I remember Chen Manching story about two times when he really "tried hands" with Yang Chenfu and both times was striked unconscious - by elbow blows from Chengfu. So much about "Taiji has not strikes"
That's not true. The problem is they don't teach linking techniques in the form that puts together the techniques that helps defend against boxing. It's simple coiling. I see this mistake all the time particularly with young Tai Chi Stylists. Once you learn to coil and link, then you have no problems with boxers.
@@KingoftheJiangl True but remember a lot of Chinese martial arts in particular don't teach you the combat until you are proficient with the movements. Now they don't teach you the principles the way they should, and then there are different schools that specialize, and finally sadly because of the health benefits, some schools don't teach combat because they can make more money teaching meditation and health. With boxers, you have to coil. To do well against boxers, you don't have to study boxing. You do have to study how to counter boxing techniques. At the end of the day, boxing is just punching.
Ryooken not only would you have a problem with an amateur boxer but he would probably knock your delude coiled head off within one round ' a pro would ko you in 5 seconds
@@david9180 except that I fought against boxers. Supposed to put these computer that's the problem with you guys I'm speaking from practical experience. You're talking out of the side of your neck which is obvious.
Damn you had me till 100 till you said we needed other striking arts. Our strikes are different but far from ineffectual. Even when you did ward off left to arm drag you had a good opportunity to fist under elbow on both sides.
Tai chi punches/strikes are all meant to be used when hand-fighting or even grappling (parry & punch, fist under elbow etc.) and not straight up exchanging strikes like in boxing, so either we learn another striking art or train to quickly & effectively close and grapple/control (which is my own preferred approach).
@@Zz7722zZ I talk too elitist sometimes. Truly I rely on entry methods from previous arts and always build my toolbox when I find new ones. Contact is almost inevidable if you are forced to fight but sometimes the situation doen't allow you the luxury of waiting for them to make it first. My favorite strikes require the opponent to be in place for a split second so I never play the jab and move game just force contact then let the Taiji reveal the targets.
@@jasonsecretsword7606 That would be a useful video, I generally keep to stand-up grappling game so I'm not as good at dealing with strikers as I would like to be.
I really appreciate this video. I know you feel like you are explaining the obvious but so many people don't understand that tai chi is not for striking. I love your content and I think you are one of the most skilled tai chi practitioners in the game right now. Much respect. Edit: If someone adapts their tai chi to use it against a striker then it won't look like tai chi. It will look very similar to any other stand up game and then you will get accused of "not using your tai chi." Lol so its a catch-22.
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oooooh so tai chi = jujitsu got it 👌🏽some one should really tell all those tai chi *masters* who keep getting their asses handed to them that they've had it wrong all these years since the inception of the style 😂
What a fake demonstration. Tai chi is not for fighting. It's not useless, it just has different applications than fighting. You can teach me how to relax my mind and body, how to improve my balace, how to get benefits from slow and calm movements, how to control my breath. You can't teach me how to fight, don't be silly.
Ya tai chi should stay where it belongs, in a back yard as form of light exercise and meditation. All this demonstrations, still no actual tai chi in fights doing great.
If tai chi does not work in real life, you need to discard the whole style. You're just modifying things that are not effective to make them work. You are putting rafts underneath the car, When you're better off just starting over and using a boat.
The rai chi guy in the video footage who got beat up by Xu Xiadong is Lei Lei. Supposedly he can't even do push hands. Threw out history Tai chi has done great as against grapplers but had trouble with strikers. It was back in the 80's when I read about a great Tai chi master William C. C. Chen. When he first went to karate tournament, he got beat up. The second time his students say he took first place, but he insists he took second. I visited his school on canal street and Broadway but left disappointed because I saw a boxing ring there. Back then my style was northern shaolin kungfu and I was a 100 percent traditionalist. Now I"m more open minded. Tai chi has recently proven itself effective against grapplers. Now it's time to work on countering strikers. William C.C. Chen learned from his experience so must we.
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Dude if you can’t use taiji to fight against other styles it means your taijiquan isn’t functional. It’s like your telling folks if you don’t have weapons/methods from other styles to help your taiji then your taichi will not work. As much as you remind me of my younger self, I’m disappointed in this videos reasoning overall. Nobody just stands at distance while a boxer or opponent tries to do their thing unless it’s their style too. Taiji and others so called internal styles like Bagua and hsing I will enter the attacking opponents closing the distance at available angles and not stay on the perimeter as your weak example to prove your point is demonstrated. Our taiji picnic is Oct. 2, at Double Rock 🪨 Park in Parkville, Md. you are forever invited to join us and share ur Kung fu as well. Hit me up if you want directions and details young brother. I’m totally wrecked body wise but will make my presentation this year based on your video and show what Taijiquan players should and can do with variations as well. Xie xie I’m the 61 yr old man. Broken physically but not out of the game/match yet. Now, dealing with stage 4 prostate cancer added to my other physical and mental issues. Warning ⚠️ once your Jin moves inside the body as you change positions consciously or spontaneously we must continue to extend ourself and the quality of our training. If we do not the Jin will recede and cause all sorts of physical/mental issues as the body going into withdraws because we start slacking on the needed intensity for that level. Most don’t know this can and will happen. Earle Montague wrote an article on it and not many others teachers /players address it. Ironically I saw a movie that spike on this in very plain language and frankly I was surprised but grateful. The old man imprisoned in a cave told this to the student who would visit. Can’t recall title 😢
Wait hold on. I thought all the circular movements was to coil and stretch out the spine and the arms to develop short power. Once the body developed enough, you can cultivate chi. There was never meant to be any techniques. It's main goal is to teach you to be formless because you can generate power from any position. Tai Chi trains an attribute. "Peng" or "fajin"
You are only using one aspect of Tai Chi and very limited concepts of other concepts of Tai Chi because you have only learned Yang Tai Chi. There are many other aspects in combat that Tai Chi can be used to counter punches. Study Chen Tai Chi and you will understand more concepts that can be applied in jabs.
There is so much wrong with your explanation i don't know where to start. The ward off should be treated as long fist and you swing at full speed and "crush" the lead hand while trying to tear his head off with a backfist. The problem is all mainstream taiji is broken so badly you can't even see where to start
Assuming that their is a correct way based off your experience and perspective isn’t disrespectful it’s just your view 😁🙏🏿 The way I do it works for me and the countless times I’ve used it sparring and grappling! 🙏🏿🧧
Don't talk too much dude..Just fight a MMA fighter in real fight in the street let's see if u can apply ur techniques.. Pushing2 in the tournament without kick and punching that is a waste of money and time for the practitioners..
I call bullshit. Rai chi is known as the supreme first or ultimate fist. Not supreme grapple or ultimate grab. Tai chi is principles. The principles will allow you to lean how to strike or grapple. You might want to keep practicing, bud. You don't quite understand tai chi
Considering his performance in the push hand competition on his channel I'd say he understands Taiji quite well. Quan also doesn't mean strike, it refers to being unarmed. Taijijian refers to using Taiji with a sword. That's it. He talked in the video, and there seems to be more on his channel about covering Taiji in a striking context. Also Taiji is probably, for westerners, better translated ultimate extremes. That is the opposite of Wuji, emptiness. The point is to cultivate, be filled with, and express Yin and Yang to the fullest extent in all movements.
@@johnwick9765 right, because tui shou does nothing to demonstrate a practitioners skill in the foundations of taiji- rooting, and the 8 energies peng lu ji an tsai lei zhou cao...you're kidding right? Of course tui shou isn't fighting but that's like saying a heavy bag doesn't help a boxer get ready for competition because the bag doesn't hit back, that's not the point. Fighters using Taiji should go from tui shou to da shou to san shou but pushing hands is a step on the journey. If you don't compete to see if you can use those energies against an opponent while both standing still, how will you effectively use them in free fighting? Honestly, for someone who touts themselves as having a high understanding of Taiji you seem to have way too much yang energy. You should probably work on cultivating more yin in yourself.
@@bwahaha9242 you're the kind of guy who would participate in arm wrestling where the two guys try and punch each other while arm wrestling. Sure. Anything can technically become a competition. However, it's a waste of time. Just fight if you're gonna fight. Show your tai chi that way, instead
Taijiquan's roots in Chen village was a grappling art.
@@jeffsimms2192 I believe a lot of roots were lost in many teachers! I’m bringing it back in my classes and passing it along to my students!
I use the term "feed me a punch" when I'm demo-ing certain moves or concepts instead of "throw a punch" so students know it's meant as a way to practice something specific . There are times you can trap or stick to an arm during a punch-like attack but we're talking about something that's closer to a shove when somebody untrained gets mad and they just want to push your face away or grab it . There's that little window between the beginning of a self defense situation and when things turn into a squared up fight and some things go from working to not working . In the end you're going to bring your hands up by reflex anyhow, there's no time to think and plan because you're in striking range . It's once you make contact that your drills take over . If the arm retracts you work with that, if it stays and pressures , you work with that. And for me, at 57 , I'm not interested in MMA competition, and the odds of me getting mugged by a trained fighter are very, very , very low. So it only makes sense to train for what I am most likely to face. I'm trying to catch them off guard and off balance and hurt them enough that they can't keep doing what they are doing then get out of there. That's a different skill set than you may use for mutually agreed fighting although many of those skills do overlap so train them as well. A solid 1-2 can solve many a problem!
The punch is faster than your reaction time and that's the main issue.
@@sergeb.1717 Exactly that! that’s why the circles must be smaller and therefore learning other art’s basics, offensive and defensives will help myself and others properly apply the Taiji applications real time!
We’ll said, I’ve been practicing Chen tai chi for well over a decade. It is a grappling art more or less. A lot of the applications work in stand up grappling or clinch type of situation. Where you are able to ground yourself and maintain peng to neutralize there force away from your center and take there’s where it wants to go! Good stuff man!! Also, saw your video on push hands against some mma guys. It was real good stuff! Keep it up brotha!
It helps a ton with jujitsu and grapple some really good fundamental sensitivity and root practice!
Chen tai chi was not a grappling art but a fa jing kill you art '' master sun lu tang was taught small frame chen from master hands and his form works in milimeter fa jing
@@david9180 It's a 'contact' art where the more points of contact you have, the more you can control and gain advantage over your opponent, which is why 'grappling' is a good shorthand for tai chi's effective fighting mode and range. Fajin is one aspect of tai chi, but definitely not all it is about.
It's all about fa jin ' there is no time to grapple in a life or death situation ' you are talking crap
@@david9180 Nevermind.
All martial arts work, if you apply the right mindset. Battle test your technique with sparring/ fighting to refine it. Rinse and repeat
@ 0:42 Apologies for the confusion.
I am eager to comprehend the usefulness of these words.😊
I really love seeing application videos like these! I'm a beginner to grappling and doing BJJ right now, but I really love Tai Chi's history, culture, and how the moves actually work. I'm really glad to see videos like these that cover how Tai Chi ACTUALLY works in real applications. I've seen way too many videos from "masters" that do the usual "hold your arm out 6 inches from my face and wait for me to throw you" and it's really refreshing to see someone who actually knows how to use it for grappling. I hope you make more of these, I really love seeing real Tai Chi!
This is why I practise the form applications against grabs and pushes, while being aware of possible incoming punches.
It's crucial to understand that Tai Chi is based in grappling.
While it may have striking techniques, these are executed within the context of grappling.
So for instance, the front heel kick with the hands out to the sides... looks odd until you realise the hands are grasping the opponents wrists as you kick him.
Without that element, the posture would just be really bad kickboxing.
🔥 I like that!
Hmm, a better way to consider it is that the jab does not have committed energy, and therefore there is no time for a comprehensive parry. Instead one should use the smallest movement possibly to divert the jab, ideally so it crosses his centreline. then one must wait for the committed energy, where you can apply the technique, on either the second or third strike. A harder task is to deal with the movement of the centreline, and low/high combinations of attack. In short, with the scenario you were demonstrating, one must distinguish between committed energy and snap energy, and coordinate your defence accordingly
Yes the jab is the safest punch for the boxer to throw.
The problem with the large circular movements is that they aren't applied correctly. The movement has to be explosive and fast, otherwise you waste energy to prolong the engagement. The goal is to break their arm instantly and/or throw them, something you shouldn't do unless that kind of violence is the only option, so likewise you probably wouldn't want to do that in a cage fight. Of course you have a little more restraint in sparring and demonstrating. To really use this movement with the correct level of explosiveness, leverage, and speed needed to negate the effects of resistance would be to cause immediate trauma to the other person.
You are correct that many people who study taijiquan do not do so with the holistic practices. They do not prepare for fighting, thus they cannot fight. It is a psychological and physiological endeavor that takes much conditioning on all fronts. You need to cultivate all your body and mind's attributes, this is gongfu. Sadly many people who claim to practice traditional martial arts do not have good gongfu. Nor do they know how to cultivate through gongfu. Battlefield martial arts are traumatic and violent, but understanding the original essence of the forms is necessary for the worst case scenarios to end violence as quickly and definitively as possible.
It is true that we can modify and adapt the forms to a degree that is fitting for sports, and this can be good and bad. If the original essence of that form is lost, then people will not understand it.
Hey nice video but, what is your opinion on tai chi fa jin learned through silk reeling? Technically dosent that mean tai chi can be also a striking art along with grappling? (Since you do learn how to punch and kick and so on).
Essentially tai chi is meant to teach you how to move properly. Essentially all martial arts are meant to teach you how to move properly. Moving properly is being able to move perfectly. However, one shouldn't strive for moving perfectly. One should strive for moving ideally. And to cultivate, as cultivation leads to a calm and stable mind - and great internal power as a result of being virtuous.
Excellent break down, Tai chi is excellent at foiling Judo and BJJ, but also is a great supplement to those systems, but when combat turns to a more staccato boxerish pace, wing chun, or or southern mantis are good systems that integrate well with tai chi as comprehensive striking solutions, along with muay tai or even conventional boxing.
I practice WC along side my Taiji and there are many comlimentary practices like root and Zhong Ding moving mass around a precisly balanced and rooted point in space/body. WC also lacks many entry methods, I got mine from Choy Li Fut and Hung Gar which both have very aggressive engaging patterns that compliment the Taiji Shapes and Body.
Sifu Niko , what style of Tai chi are you practicing ?
you're so patient in explaining taiji to these superficial mma bots who have never engaged in good faith, and have all the same knee-jerk opinions. excellently played here
Tai chi has so far never established itself from anyone to be successful in a fight ' that's a fact ' superficiality if that's your interpretation is better than deluded disposition ' until I see anyone any so called master actually defending himself against muay thai bbj boxing etc without being destroyed everytime in less than 3 minutes then we must conclude that tai chi chuan is lost
@@david9180 taiji beat so many people that the emperor of china mandated it as the martial art of his personal guard.
Modern practitioners might not be up for mma competitions, but the art stands on it's historical merit.
It does not stand on anything but mockery and disgrace from so called masters that are hit once and the fight is stopped in less than a minute ' it's an embarrassment
@@david9180 yeah yeah we've all seen it. Sorry but one "master" getting thrashed doesn't defame an ancient art. Did you watch the video?
To be frank, this is the fault of chinese TMA practitioners. Both kung fu and tai chi schools often don't pressure test their techniques and don't do any sparring, nor they step up in the ring/cage to show their abilities.
Great explanation.
Its very similar story with Wing Chun.
I did karate for 12+ years, kickboxing for bit over 3 yrs, then tried Wing Chun for over 6 years.
Everything works great when action happens up to 70% speed.
As a lot of the techniques commit 2 hands vs one, At combat speed it creates openings for a semi experienced fighter.
There are however a number of useful Wing Chun techniques that can translate well into MMA / street situation)
(Oblique kick or stomp kick as we called it, controlling the front elbow. Bill Sao + rear punch against a long hook i was able to use to great effect in sparring vs fairly experienced kickboxers and MMA sparring)
There is more but its getting long already.
Keep up the good work.
True! I'm Judoka and i have been successfully using Taichi techniques for a while now. And like you said, Wing Chun has a lot to offer
Very well put man!
Yes. Using two hands on one.. leaves the opponent a free hand
If you are "Committing" two hands in Wing Chun, then you are Not using WC properly. You make the Bridge, then you Sink it. You take apart the OPs defenses, one by one.. usually pinned their rear arm, as the final result before launching your close range strikes on them. I used to spar against artists of all sorts, including modern MMA fighters, at full speed, and heavy power levels... and I never had any issues dealing with them. Often the OPs I sparred against, were Well over my own mass and strength class... as at that time, I was only 150 lbs.
Its unfortunate, but there are a lot of poor quality WC teachers... that while they have some decent knowledge to share... have never really fought against other arts, and have misinterpreted a lot of things.
My suggestion to you... is to first try a drill, where you have a fighter try to hit you... and you only use One Arm, against their Two. Due to your limitations, you can tell them not to Grab your arm for this particular drill. The goal is to last the 3 minutes or so, without taking a single punch. Ive also used this as a Demo, to show an MMA fighter, some of the differences in how Chinese arts function. Despite being a good fighter with Textbook level technique, he was unable to land a single hit on me.
If you are struggling to defend yourself well with a single arm... then this will show you some of your main flaws in how WC is designed to operate. Once you have mastered this drill.. you will find it Easy to dominate the OP when you get your 2nd arm back into the mix.
My demo with the MMA fighter, was actually in several parts. The first round was as stated, one arm vs his two. The next round, was Legs vs Legs (any kick of kicks, and leg defenses allowed. No handstrikes). This is where WCs advanced Leg Fencing system comes into play. Sadly, a lot of WC practitioners are rarely in the system long enough, to have learned these methods.. which are similar to the Hand Tech methods of WC. I also didnt officially learn them... but seeing some video clips about them, I was able to figure them out on my own.
The next Round, was Dual Arms vs Dual Arms. And the Final Round, was basically "Anything Goes" (All limbs in play).
Each of Our rounds, were probably about 3 minutes. Except for the last round... As he was so overwhelmed by being completely shut down and pummeled repeatedly... that he gave up in like 70 seconds.
I will also say that way too many WC practitioners, blindly rush into the Op with Chain punches... without FIRST disabling BOTH of the OPs Defenses. This is a HUGE issue, and is why most of those dudes will be Destroyed by a decent fighter. WC is never supposed to use "Risky" behaviors in its Principles of Combat. You never hit, unless the OP is at very close range, and they are unable to hit you back.
BTW - That demo was down with our Barefist... As at the time and place, I didnt have gear with me. In order to spar somewhat safely without gear, I showed the dude a few examples first:
I shot a strike towards the guys chest, as FAST as I could... and then Stopped right at / before the surface. Then, I used very mild "Push-Force", to push my fist into his chest, about 3 inches deep. I told him that Surface level hits do not count. That you must show at least 3 inches of Penetration depth... for anything to Count as a hit. Then I showed him an example, with the head. I threw a fast round haymaker towards the side of his head... then stopped right at the surface. I told him to relax his head, and allow his jaw / head to swivel, as I pushed my fists into his jawline, causing his head to naturally rotate with my fists mild "Push".
I showed a few of these example... then I had to make sure that HE was capable of doing the same... so I tested him, and had him try each of these examples, as least three times in a row. After seeing that he was capable of Controlling himself properly at Full speeds... I deemed him as being fine for sparring without Gear. Had he managed to cause any sort of impacts that went deeper than half a CM in these tests.. then I may have denied him this experience... until gloves were available. That said, we all know that MMA gloves really mess up the way that WCs arm techs feel... and function. Yes, you can still use them effectively.. but there will be some limitations and some issues. You cant easily snake into small openings, when you have two 7" diameter spheres, on your hands. And since they also have them... that makes it even harder to get Around all of the 3d space that these things Eat up.
There are also issues, with the OP being able to catch your wrists easier, via the thick LIP of the gloves. And you lose some sensitivity, some speed, and some other things.
Now, I did tell him that I didnt really care that much about taking a potential shot in the chest... as I have done years of Shaolin style Iron Body conditioning. However, I was more concerned with someone getting struck in the head, and potentially Knocked out. Anyway... the best part about this sparring method... is that you can actually Spar at FULL acceleration, and Full Speeds... Realistically, with FAR less potentials for serious injuries.
With Kicks to his kneecap... I showed him a demo of how power travels into the knee, by using a mild palm strike to the spot, just above his kneecap. I warned that I didnt want to have to use crippling power in my kicks, to prove a point... so when I kick, I will only add a small bit of "Sting" to it... acting more like a Stop-Kick, rather than putting serious impact power potentials on them. That kind of kick isnt a penetration based technique, so the 3" push method cant be applied the same way as the hand methods.
It’s the same issue with most eastern martial arts. An over-emphasis and attachment to the forms which leads to impractical fighting drills, which leads to an impractical movements in free fighting.
Then when the teacher or student questions their art critically enough, they lose that attachment to the forms, principles and begin to practise more efficient movements which no longer resemble that chosen art, and resemble more competent fighting systems such as boxing, wrestling, or MMA.
At that point in time the most honest thing to do is to lose attachment to said art for fighting, and call your free fighting what it is, “Boxing” or “Wrestling” or “MMA.”
@The practice of Push Hands weaves together a vibrant array of components, both internal and external, forming a captivating masterpiece. It demands practitioners to harmonize conscious choices and flexibility, akin to the strategic moves in chess, all the while embracing the myriad of influences and serendipitous moments that unfold. Within this fusion, practitioners endeavor to attain a profound unity and intention in their motions, symbolized by the notion of completing a full circle.😎
Finally a Tai Chi Chuan man that understands boxers etc. I'm a TCC man, too.
I sparred against my Karate friends 20+ years ago and they kept hurting my arms on impact. I didn't use pads.
Soon I'll be a black belt in Tae Kwon Do. My classmates and TKD teachers are 20 years younger so I'm too slow against them, but except for the high level classmates that keep their distance I'm able to use my TCC walking to trip them until they fall.
I do things like stepping on their feet or stepping behind their legs and bumping them with my hips or thighs.
Now I use pads, head protection with a plastic face shield, too.
Thank you for the great video.
I do weigh 240 pounds and I'm fat. They weigh just less than 200 pounds.
The biggest problem is people, too often, try to fight with the form. The form is just an exercise to teach you physics of the fighting. Tai chi fighting in essence should look like any other style of fighting. The difference is how it feels! Good demo!
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True, but then you would have some dumb guys saying "that isn't taichi"
There is not one tai chi fighter nor so called master that has fought a boxer mma muay thai bbj nor anyone else proving that it is a competent self defense system ' now that's just fact
one thing a lot of people forget about tai chi is the movement as a posture and movement as an application, it has a static and a flow, in boxing terms a cover or guard(static) a punch or clinch(flow) also understanding who you are fighting and not overthinking it, tai chi is great for self defence if you know how to use it properly and understand the correct uses for it's movements and postures, but then again the same can be said for any martial art
The men who use those techniques generally are built and move more like Bruce Lee than Mr T.
Very good point. Teaching like this would be like a jiu jitsu coach showing a flying armbar as a counter to a jab. Tai Chi is an effective grappling system, but like every other grappling you need to force entanglements, which is done aggressively.
Tai Chi would be perfect in a Men vs Women UFC!!! The men do not hit the women, only stop the women from hitting them. 😂 It would be brilliant! Men winning without hitting.
Tai Chi is an in close stand up grappling art that specialists in uprooting unbalancing and taking down an opponent. Its particularly good at making the opponent perpetually trip over his own feet untill he hits the ground. Its not really meant to be used in longer ranges like you find in kick boxing.
At range, you are better off using external Long fist (that specializes in the longer range). Close the gap, and then use Tai Chi to take control.
my sifu and i don't focus a ton on application. what i do is train the forms in the morning, then spar in kyokushin and kickboxing later in the day. what's wild is the more i internalize the forms, the more the techniques just automatically come out in sparring, without me even knowing explicitly how to apply them. the biggest is my ability to catch kicks and also tangle arms and push to creat distance. it's really useful. actually generally works a bit better in kickboxing bc we can punch the head but the big gloves get in the way. but pushing with two hands is also technically illegal in kyokushin rules (not that we really worry about those too much in regular sparring asie from the face punching). in a perfect world, small gloves muay thai rules would be much more prevalent in my area
You don't focus on applications, that is like learning the letters but the words
That is funny saw master wong video. And he showed the real application of taiji against boxing attacks
At last a tai chi practitioner that talks sense 🙏
I'm glad to see taichi practioners explain to everyone that its a grappling art not a striking system.
I have beaten a lot big using different kinds ti
Got any sparring videos against a boxer or Thai kickboxer?
rolling / running thunder... thats what id do in that situation .. how would it pan out in your opinion ?
Kung-Fu practitioner since’89, here; 5-Animal Shaolin.
I was surprised to find that I was in the minority; apparently only 5% of Kung-Fu schools have sparring(?). Glad to see more TCMArtists getting into 2-man applications
It’s the truest way to test the combative aspects of the art!
Great explanations. Tai Chi is a beautiful art with the effective and gritty hidden in between. Been awaiting more content from you. You never disappoint sir. Thanks!
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Got answers for some lingering questions. Thanks!
This video could have been much shorter and helpful with this one phrase: 3:46
You are exactly correct. You must be able to block and strike back. I have taken goshin jujitsu and we are taught to block or parry and strike. You must be taught to strike and block a punch.
There are strikes, even in Yang Style, you just have to spar with them. Hit tiger, front kick, punch to the body, etc.
I have seen tai chi used in striking lightly in the slips. Making it much harder for them to connect.
Was TaiChi even created to use in fights? I thought it more of an internal art for health. Looks to me that you have to do combative arts for fighting and Tai chi for health and internal strength to make some aspects of Tai chi to work.
Tai Chi is a Supplement to other arts. It depends on which direction you want to take with this, if someone just wants to get healthy and relax, destress then just do the forms and flow, if they wish to fight then learn the forms, learn push hands, then start going over basic techniques with a boxer or someone competent in basic striking so you’re not getting unrealistic responses and keep building
That’s almost all martial arts, including supposed self defence systems. They demonstrate against someone holding out a limb.
The main problem I see with tai chi online is that most of the people teaching it as a fighting art don’t even spar, let alone compete against other fighters.
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@In Defence of the Traditional Martial Arts Yo.... long time no see man how are you?
Okay so sparring is a really good way to train techniques.... for fighting. If you're going to be a fighter you should learn to fight.
Tai Chi is a combat art. The fighting part of Tai Chi is Sanshou and Shuai Jiao. None of which this person did. So.... this is in no way reprenetative of Tai Chi strategy or application.
Muay thai doesn't demonstrate by holding out a limb
@@david9180 yes it does 😂
Tai chi gets knocked out evertime with one punch and the masters start crying boo hoo 😄😄😄
well done cool video you are so right and I think Western boxing compliments Tai chi where as Kickboxing is a better fit Karate or Taekwondo, the other thing is boxing is quick Art to learn if you Apply yourself and have a good coach
So explain why Sanda does not use tai chi
Stick-adhere-join- follow the primary skill of tai chi interaction without them your not doing tai chi. Good video.
taichi principle is ying yang， and in 3D， groin kick and attack is an integral part(or foot stomps)。 so when someone is throwing punches at your head，where the opponents attention/focus/ direction of movement is on the upper body, that’s the Yang of the moment， the obvious space that opens up is ying, that’s where your Yang goes in. If you look at your video, draw a circle of ying yang in y-axis, covering your opponent and you, you see that clearly. You are meeting his Yang with your Yang. That’s double Yang. Not Ying Yang. I learnt this the hard way when I as ask my sifu what happens if I throw flurry of fast punches? He asked me to do it on him, and I went in with 7-8 punches a second to his face, and was kicked in the groin without seeing the kick.
Think of ying yang like a body of water on top of a rock. It looks still, when there are no cracks and opening in the rocks, but the water is actively pushing down on the rock every moment, and when the rock crack, show an opening, the water doesn’t wait a beat, it flows into the rock. I am also 4th dan in kendo, and I use this taichi mentality/spatial sense in it. When you look still, only because there’s no opening, when ying yang is balanced. Historical taichi masters saying some one’s taichi is good, they use the phrase “出手即見紅“ literal translation is， “when he does strike, you see blood immediately”, goes in for the kill, no wasted extra movements。 Also, the very first movement in taichi form, 起手式 can be broken down to 4 attacks in one movement, 1)attack to the groin with back of hand, 2)attack to chin when raising the hands, 3)jab to throat when sinking the elbow, 4) presss/push to chest when hands up and going down. Also, practice so that you should be able to perform groin kick with almost every position/transition in the taichi form(without loosing balance, without moving your shoulders), to make sure you ying yang is clear(polarized).
Not bad. You have to be in close to use the 8 energies.
The Tai Chi strategy is the same as any art to a degree. Strike when in range. When contact is made seek to use that contact to disrupt the persons mass. Use that mass disruption to finish the encounter.
As Tai Chi advances the circles get smaller and smaller until they disappear and all you have is standing.
Exactly 😊
This is the first pragmatic approach to Tai Chi I have seen on RUclips I actually watched it to the end, usually I laugh and move on.
✅✅✅ I appreciate it!!
It comes down to this.
The man makes the art.
It's that simple.
Laoshr #60
Ching Yi Kung Fu Association
Very good, humble, powerful and clean
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If you can't do a move on the one meaning on one beat no matter what style u have it will not work
Glad not many know nei jia Kung fu. It is a killing art.
Nice thanks! And even then it is no comparison because this is indoors and not outdoors without gloves and a protective environment. You will see that it will be a completely different game for a boxer.
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super video! One of the few great out there. Lets assume the technique wouldnt be from tai chi kung fu bjt from another modern style... No one would come to the conclusion that you could do a throwing technique from punching range in the defense... It would be the same bullshit like to do a jab within a grappling situation. Tha fact that other tai chi masters/practisoners show it with the wrong situational idea just shows their low level of martial arts.
Nice
Als men een techniek toont moet men deze niet tonen zoals men ze in de vormen beoefend want zo worden deze technieken niet gebruikt.Wanneer u een echte meester bent moet u dat weten u moet in een tijd deze techniek uitvoeren en niet in twee tijden want dan bent u veel sneller.
At that point its no longer tai chi
Nope, It's Taichi at it's finest.
Why not use plum strick and block and push hands and albow
So, I like what I see :). It's so rare seeing that kind of content about chinese martial arts in general and Tai Chi in particular. I haven't seen your other videos yet, but just based on that, you make me feel like you're the Iain Abernethy of Tai Chi, and I greatly appreciate that :).
Now, something I've noticed. In your first demonstration (the one about 2:56 ), the moves you use remind me of a karate kata called heian (pinan) sandan. The first 6 moves are basically the same, as they have the same idea behind them. Just goes to show how intertwined martial arts are :)
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@@sifuniko I'll definitely check it out :)
I have to ask you directly if you feel you need another combat Art to make your Taijiquan functional why aren’t you playing/training taijiquan at all ? 😱🐲⚠️
There you are. Been waiting for you. We have alot in common. I would love to.do live streams with you to change the kungfu world
As for your comments of using elements of taijiquan I will concur.
Yet, that is no different than using any martial style in general where what we actually see are bits and pieces of the whole art being applied.
You have to learn other striking arts as you say it is misleading.
Yes. Study the styles of otters doesn’t mean we use their methods/techniques.
You present this in a convoluted manner dude. Those who are novices listening to you would be confused imho.
I usually see diagonal flying on the other side, where you slip the jab, being on the outside of it, grab it with your left hand, put the right under his shoulder, your right leg behind his, then pop him backwards, not forwards.
Nice video, very well explained 🙏
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Interesting ' master sun lu tang has his photograph in honour in Japanese dojos for defeating karate masters '' master yang never lost a fight master Cheng min.ching actually went looking for fights in his youth and never lost and hsing tuan was taught to the generals of the chinese military only so that they could defeat and if nessesary kill insubordinate soldiers that were only taught eagle claw ' master Guo was in prison for killing 3 bandits with his smashing fist and master yang had a reputation for crippling people ' we must conclude that the true training has been hidden and lost ''
Just try that technique in a ONE CHAMPIONSHIP OR UFC FIGHTERS in the street fights..Let's see if will work.. 😂
I remember Chen Manching story about two times when he really "tried hands" with Yang Chenfu and both times was striked unconscious - by elbow blows from Chengfu. So much about "Taiji has not strikes"
That's not true. The problem is they don't teach linking techniques in the form that puts together the techniques that helps defend against boxing. It's simple coiling. I see this mistake all the time particularly with young Tai Chi Stylists. Once you learn to coil and link, then you have no problems with boxers.
@@Ryooken I dunno man. In order to do well in boxing with boxing rules, you have to train in boxing :)
@@KingoftheJiangl True but remember a lot of Chinese martial arts in particular don't teach you the combat until you are proficient with the movements. Now they don't teach you the principles the way they should, and then there are different schools that specialize, and finally sadly because of the health benefits, some schools don't teach combat because they can make more money teaching meditation and health.
With boxers, you have to coil. To do well against boxers, you don't have to study boxing. You do have to study how to counter boxing techniques. At the end of the day, boxing is just punching.
Ryooken not only would you have a problem with an amateur boxer but he would probably knock your delude coiled head off within one round ' a pro would ko you in 5 seconds
@@david9180 except that I fought against boxers. Supposed to put these computer that's the problem with you guys I'm speaking from practical experience. You're talking out of the side of your neck which is obvious.
BoB has an afro!
Damn you had me till 100 till you said we needed other striking arts. Our strikes are different but far from ineffectual. Even when you did ward off left to arm drag you had a good opportunity to fist under elbow on both sides.
Tai chi punches/strikes are all meant to be used when hand-fighting or even grappling (parry & punch, fist under elbow etc.) and not straight up exchanging strikes like in boxing, so either we learn another striking art or train to quickly & effectively close and grapple/control (which is my own preferred approach).
@@Zz7722zZ I talk too elitist sometimes. Truly I rely on entry methods from previous arts and always build my toolbox when I find new ones. Contact is almost inevidable if you are forced to fight but sometimes the situation doen't allow you the luxury of waiting for them to make it first.
My favorite strikes require the opponent to be in place for a split second so I never play the jab and move game just force contact then let the Taiji reveal the targets.
@@Zz7722zZ You have inspired me to make a video for Taiji peeps showing a few ways to close bridge and enter.
@@jasonsecretsword7606 no argument there, ours is definitely not the jab and move game.
@@jasonsecretsword7606 That would be a useful video, I generally keep to stand-up grappling game so I'm not as good at dealing with strikers as I would like to be.
I really appreciate this video. I know you feel like you are explaining the obvious but so many people don't understand that tai chi is not for striking. I love your content and I think you are one of the most skilled tai chi practitioners in the game right now. Much respect.
Edit: If someone adapts their tai chi to use it against a striker then it won't look like tai chi. It will look very similar to any other stand up game and then you will get accused of "not using your tai chi." Lol so its a catch-22.
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Well done- So few get it.
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oooooh so tai chi = jujitsu got it 👌🏽some one should really tell all those tai chi *masters* who keep getting their asses handed to them that they've had it wrong all these years since the inception of the style 😂
It doesn't work because you aren't good enough to be practicing expert level martial arts.
What a fake demonstration. Tai chi is not for fighting. It's not useless, it just has different applications than fighting. You can teach me how to relax my mind and body, how to improve my balace, how to get benefits from slow and calm movements, how to control my breath. You can't teach me how to fight, don't be silly.
Ya tai chi should stay where it belongs, in a back yard as form of light exercise and meditation. All this demonstrations, still no actual tai chi in fights doing great.
It works when I spar with people that don’t care about my “Tai Chi BS.”
If tai chi does not work in real life, you need to discard the whole style. You're just modifying things that are not effective to make them work. You are putting rafts underneath the car, When you're better off just starting over and using a boat.
But it does work! Just gotta be trained with live resistance.
Ward-off is not a break. Tai Chi is a striking art.
Ward off is many things! 😊
Great video ! Tai chi Is very misunderstood
Very misunderstood! Thanks ☺️
The rai chi guy in the video footage who got beat up by Xu Xiadong is Lei Lei. Supposedly he can't even do push hands. Threw out history Tai chi has done great as against grapplers but had trouble with strikers. It was back in the 80's when I read about a great Tai chi master William C. C. Chen. When he first went to karate tournament, he got beat up. The second time his students say he took first place, but he insists he took second. I visited his school on canal street and Broadway but left disappointed because I saw a boxing ring there. Back then my style was northern shaolin kungfu and I was a 100 percent traditionalist. Now I"m more open minded. Tai chi has recently proven itself effective against grapplers. Now it's time to work on countering strikers. William C.C. Chen learned from his experience so must we.
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Sniffy camera man
Sparring please Sifu.
OMG THANK YOU! At last someone explaining it right on RUclips !!! 😅
🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿
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Dude if you can’t use taiji to fight against other styles it means your taijiquan isn’t functional.
It’s like your telling folks if you don’t have weapons/methods from other styles to help your taiji then your taichi will not work.
As much as you remind me of my younger self, I’m disappointed in this videos reasoning overall.
Nobody just stands at distance while a boxer or opponent tries to do their thing unless it’s their style too.
Taiji and others so called internal styles like Bagua and hsing I will enter the attacking opponents closing the distance at available angles and not stay on the perimeter as your weak example to prove your point is demonstrated.
Our taiji picnic is Oct. 2, at Double Rock 🪨 Park in Parkville, Md.
you are forever invited to join us and share ur Kung fu as well.
Hit me up if you want directions and details young brother.
I’m totally wrecked body wise but will make my presentation this year based on your video and show what Taijiquan players should and can do with variations as well.
Xie xie I’m the 61 yr old man. Broken physically but not out of the game/match yet.
Now, dealing with stage 4 prostate cancer added to my other physical and mental issues.
Warning ⚠️ once your Jin moves inside the body as you change positions consciously or spontaneously we must continue to extend ourself and the quality of our training.
If we do not the Jin will recede and cause all sorts of physical/mental issues as the body going into withdraws because we start slacking on the needed intensity for that level.
Most don’t know this can and will happen.
Earle Montague wrote an article on it and not many others teachers /players address it.
Ironically I saw a movie that spike on this in very plain language and frankly I was surprised but grateful.
The old man imprisoned in a cave told this to the student who would visit.
Can’t recall title 😢
You're wrong you need to step in towards his body closer then you can do it
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So what ? Nobody is forced to do tai chi. Perhaps Tai chi has other benefits than to fight…
Go buy a gun, if you feel unsafe.
It's just that you are not learning from a master who knows taiji sanshou, form-tuishou-sanshou. Doesn't mean taiji does not have strike 😂
Btw mma is not the standard every other art should be measured
Wait hold on. I thought all the circular movements was to coil and stretch out the spine and the arms to develop short power. Once the body developed enough, you can cultivate chi. There was never meant to be any techniques. It's main goal is to teach you to be formless because you can generate power from any position. Tai Chi trains an attribute. "Peng" or "fajin"
You are only using one aspect of Tai Chi and very limited concepts of other concepts of Tai Chi because you have only learned Yang Tai Chi.
There are many other aspects in combat that Tai Chi can be used to counter punches. Study Chen Tai Chi and you will understand more concepts that can be applied in jabs.
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Thai Chi is not a combat sport or art or style or system, sorry.
You talk too much less practicle action
Completely useless fighting system.
...silly.
Not useless! It’s very useful in the right hands 🙌 ♥️
@@sifuniko
I don't believe you.
There is so much wrong with your explanation i don't know where to start. The ward off should be treated as long fist and you swing at full speed and "crush" the lead hand while trying to tear his head off with a backfist. The problem is all mainstream taiji is broken so badly you can't even see where to start
I don't want to disrespect, but if you really know Tai Chi, you're really misrepresenting it bc you are not even applying ward off correctly at all.
Assuming that their is a correct way based off your experience and perspective isn’t disrespectful it’s just your view 😁🙏🏿 The way I do it works for me and the countless times I’ve used it sparring and grappling! 🙏🏿🧧
@@sifuniko thank you for the reply. I think you answer is exactly correct
So basically learn an art that works instead
I don't care about ur Tai chi..Just fight a MMA fighter right now if can last 10sec..Maybe a Muay Thai fighter can easily destroy u.. 😂
I'm more convinced that tai chi is shit.
Its you shit
Don't talk too much dude..Just fight a MMA fighter in real fight in the street let's see if u can apply ur techniques.. Pushing2 in the tournament without kick and punching that is a waste of money and time for the practitioners..
I call bullshit. Rai chi is known as the supreme first or ultimate fist. Not supreme grapple or ultimate grab. Tai chi is principles. The principles will allow you to lean how to strike or grapple. You might want to keep practicing, bud. You don't quite understand tai chi
@@seangill898 correction. One of the best YOU will come across
Considering his performance in the push hand competition on his channel I'd say he understands Taiji quite well. Quan also doesn't mean strike, it refers to being unarmed. Taijijian refers to using Taiji with a sword. That's it. He talked in the video, and there seems to be more on his channel about covering Taiji in a striking context.
Also Taiji is probably, for westerners, better translated ultimate extremes. That is the opposite of Wuji, emptiness. The point is to cultivate, be filled with, and express Yin and Yang to the fullest extent in all movements.
Anytime I hear of a competition in push hands I can't help but cringe as it is completely useless to get in a competitive mode.
@@johnwick9765 right, because tui shou does nothing to demonstrate a practitioners skill in the foundations of taiji- rooting, and the 8 energies peng lu ji an tsai lei zhou cao...you're kidding right? Of course tui shou isn't fighting but that's like saying a heavy bag doesn't help a boxer get ready for competition because the bag doesn't hit back, that's not the point. Fighters using Taiji should go from tui shou to da shou to san shou but pushing hands is a step on the journey. If you don't compete to see if you can use those energies against an opponent while both standing still, how will you effectively use them in free fighting?
Honestly, for someone who touts themselves as having a high understanding of Taiji you seem to have way too much yang energy. You should probably work on cultivating more yin in yourself.
@@bwahaha9242 you're the kind of guy who would participate in arm wrestling where the two guys try and punch each other while arm wrestling. Sure. Anything can technically become a competition. However, it's a waste of time. Just fight if you're gonna fight. Show your tai chi that way, instead