I think I recognize some of these throws from Japanese counterparts. At 1:21 maybe an o soto otoshi (judo) attempt that didn't go as planned? At 1:31 it looks like a variant of hachi mawashi (aikijujutsu) (I hit that a couple of times last night actually). 2:18 is an attempted o soto gari (judo) that slipped off but the guy went down anyway (already lost his balance by that point). Also hit that one last night from an outside overhook.
@@canaldesugestoesa6651 The posing was pretty rad though. I'm going to start being more theatrical every time I successfully throw someone instead of trying to follow them down for the submission.
@@kevintse2870 I wouldn’t either, I’m just identifying the technical analogs in judo and aikijujutsu. I’m not implying that he’s just using those styles and calling it tai chi, it just so happens that there are pretty good equivalents in other styles.
Although the fight is between so-called kung fu masters with different styles, it often just ends up being an exchange of big punches, but the masters in this tournament put on an interesting fight.
That was actually great. If only he had better striking, it would be what a complete version of what tai chi quan should look like from a martial perspective.
What an impressive display by Tai Chi guy! With a little head movement, a stronger guard, or better footwork, that’d be really interesting to see in a conventional full contact competition fight!
Wow, there have been some major improvements in Kung Fu in its home country. In older fights, it often seemed like they were just flailing their arms, and the essence of Kung Fu was lost because it was never truly applied to real-life scenarios. Now, it looks like they are really starting to spar more and genuinely apply their art, reconstructing it in the process. For centuries, it felt like Kung Fu was all theory and forms, but today they are really focusing on its practical aspects. I believe Xu Xiaodong played a significant role in starting this revolution. I can't wait to see how these traditional arts evolve in the near future.
Yeah, I think this Keiten Aijin channel is going to keep bringing a lot of these traditional arts forward! And I'll keep finding cool clips to help in the movement to add nuance to the martial arts ;)
Kung Fu used to be legit under actual fighters and I am not just talking just sport but yes it became mostly theories and forms unfortunately because people dont have the time or dedication to learn and apply. People use MMA or Kickboxing as reference and this gives a narrow minded view of martial arts as a whole. Not every fight can be solved via knock out. Depending on the system Kung fu encompasses throws, locks, submissions, long and close fighting. Because its not gloved there are strikes beyond a simple fist. Xu Xiadong definitely gave people a wake up call on peoples actual skills and what is required. Form imho are just the first step of practice but is very limited. Its like a mma fighter practiving the same combination over and over again. Might have worked previous fights but eventually its not gonna have the same effect especially once people study it.
That was the coolest looking Tai Chi I’ve ever seen since Ip Man 4. Side note, Tai Chi guy has actually practiced Bajiquan and Nanquan for 3 years and even one year of Ninjutsu, while Baji guy has also practiced Mantis, Bagua, Xingyi, and Tai Chi, so both fighters have experience in each other’s specialty.
@@canaldesugestoesa6651 Sparring in these arts has been common since these arts were invented. People have been seeing the watered down or mass produced version given to the west and think it represented the real version of the art. You gotta understand, martial arts were always built for function. It's not just some new phenomenon since MMA.
@@The_true_Joe_mamaI thought the same way, until I saw a video of one of the creators of Sanda, who categorically stated that everyone knew that boxing is the best for fighting and can be added to any style, even karate.
I really like seeing this. Back in the 80s I took Tai Chi from a guy from China that also taught Kung Fu. There was quite a lot of mysticism that drew me in at the time, but doesn't make much sense to me now. I really like seeing that there are principles in Tai Chi that work under the right circumstances. I'd really be curious about the relationship between Tai Chi and Judo - though maybe the biggest difference is the amount of full contact sparring each competitor does. Very cool video and I definitely like seeing your channel in my feed! 👍
The Baji guy showed a part of the form Xiao Jia from Bajiquan and the Tai Chi was collecting his breath to get ready. The Tai chi guy used the grappling techniques the forms have, while the Baji was aggressive but did not stuck to the opponent to do takedowns or the famous Tie Shan Kao or the DingZhou/elbow strike
I like Bajiquan guy's lightning fast quick step low flick-kicks he uses to start combos. See when he steps out of the red, how he taps tai chi guy's shin first
that was some decent taichi. decent Bajiquan too. Bajiquan guy needs to work on his range. the starting every combo with a kick thing is a strategy that works even if its predictable. f you are in range for the kick to properly land, if you can conceal the first kick enough that the defender doesnt retreat from it.
a lot of judokas in my dojo is so tai chi like. one of them take me down with de ashi harai four times in a roll without me even feel anything. it is almost zero gravity when he sweep me
This is a new format of chinese martial art competition. However the rules look like silat competition, with the fighter shows their strike first, and have counts on falling
Check out Han Feilong, the Tai Chi Dragon. He has some really cool highlights. I’d have thought the baji guy would be more explosive, but it felt like neither were throwing as hard as they could. Are they discouraged from it in that format?
I'm glad to see Kung Fu and Tai Chi in contact tournaments, but this doesn't look at all like real combat. I didn't see any striking that would hurt someone. In fact, it looked more like a push hands event or a training exercise than a real fight.
Interesting video, would like to see either of these fight a boxer/kick boxer or judoka, wouldn’t be interested in BBJ fighter may as well throw them in a swimming pool and see who can do the most lengths
Tai Ki Ken is Yi Chuan. In this fight I saw Tai Chi chuan. The Baji-Mantis guy was very slow for the style which is usually extremely fast, and he is poorly grounded. Not a good representative of the styles. Tai Chi guy did fairly well.
Saying someone does both Shaolin and Taijiquan is a dead giveaway he doesn't really do Taijiquan. Taijiquan moves the whole body with the dantian; Shaolin does not. Two radically different forms of movement and only the gullible would accept the idea that someone can do both.
Benn an unlicensed fighter, who has never won a title; and certified drug cheat; claiming World Champions are ducking him🤦🏾. He's more deluded than Charlie Zelenoff
The 'winner' took a lot of hits, but because of the headgear was able to shake them off and put the other guy on the ground. Then he did a li'l flourish and pose as if he won that exchange. 😠
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I think I recognize some of these throws from Japanese counterparts. At 1:21 maybe an o soto otoshi (judo) attempt that didn't go as planned? At 1:31 it looks like a variant of hachi mawashi (aikijujutsu) (I hit that a couple of times last night actually). 2:18 is an attempted o soto gari (judo) that slipped off but the guy went down anyway (already lost his balance by that point). Also hit that one last night from an outside overhook.
@@elenchus The bajinquan fighter understood that punching and kicking is better than posing.
@@canaldesugestoesa6651 The posing was pretty rad though. I'm going to start being more theatrical every time I successfully throw someone instead of trying to follow them down for the submission.
@@elenchus I'll search up Hachi Mawashi.
I wouldn’t say it looked like judo.
@@kevintse2870 I wouldn’t either, I’m just identifying the technical analogs in judo and aikijujutsu. I’m not implying that he’s just using those styles and calling it tai chi, it just so happens that there are pretty good equivalents in other styles.
0:20 Taikiken is not a Japanese version of Taijiquan, but of Yiquan.
Yeah, suddenly I remembered after I uploaded XDD
really neat stuff. both guys actually looked pretty competent in their respective styles. interesting strikes from the baji guy
They seem to be fighting on the moon...
Law of gravity becomes a suggestion when you do taichi
It seems these systems are designed for astronauts fighting aliens...
Although the fight is between so-called kung fu masters with different styles, it often just ends up being an exchange of big punches, but the masters in this tournament put on an interesting fight.
That was actually great. If only he had better striking, it would be what a complete version of what tai chi quan should look like from a martial perspective.
What an impressive display by Tai Chi guy! With a little head movement, a stronger guard, or better footwork, that’d be really interesting to see in a conventional full contact competition fight!
Wow, there have been some major improvements in Kung Fu in its home country. In older fights, it often seemed like they were just flailing their arms, and the essence of Kung Fu was lost because it was never truly applied to real-life scenarios. Now, it looks like they are really starting to spar more and genuinely apply their art, reconstructing it in the process. For centuries, it felt like Kung Fu was all theory and forms, but today they are really focusing on its practical aspects. I believe Xu Xiaodong played a significant role in starting this revolution. I can't wait to see how these traditional arts evolve in the near future.
Yeah, I think this Keiten Aijin channel is going to keep bringing a lot of these traditional arts forward! And I'll keep finding cool clips to help in the movement to add nuance to the martial arts ;)
They copy silat sparing rules
Kung Fu used to be legit under actual fighters and I am not just talking just sport but yes it became mostly theories and forms unfortunately because people dont have the time or dedication to learn and apply. People use MMA or Kickboxing as reference and this gives a narrow minded view of martial arts as a whole. Not every fight can be solved via knock out. Depending on the system Kung fu encompasses throws, locks, submissions, long and close fighting. Because its not gloved there are strikes beyond a simple fist. Xu Xiadong definitely gave people a wake up call on peoples actual skills and what is required. Form imho are just the first step of practice but is very limited. Its like a mma fighter practiving the same combination over and over again. Might have worked previous fights but eventually its not gonna have the same effect especially once people study it.
That was the coolest looking Tai Chi I’ve ever seen since Ip Man 4. Side note, Tai Chi guy has actually practiced Bajiquan and Nanquan for 3 years and even one year of Ninjutsu, while Baji guy has also practiced Mantis, Bagua, Xingyi, and Tai Chi, so both fighters have experience in each other’s specialty.
Short but interesting video, thanks Jerry …
Finnally, They understood that sparring is necessary for the blows to be effective, otherwise they will continue to get hit.
Bro, i think these type of schools always existed. They just need more publishing. China is huge
@@canaldesugestoesa6651 Sparring in these arts has been common since these arts were invented. People have been seeing the watered down or mass produced version given to the west and think it represented the real version of the art.
You gotta understand, martial arts were always built for function. It's not just some new phenomenon since MMA.
Please do away with fixed step push hands competition. No one beats a sumo in this game.
@@ppp123asdf well if u don't have strength behind ur punches or kicks, irl is the same though
@@The_true_Joe_mamaI thought the same way, until I saw a video of one of the creators of Sanda, who categorically stated that everyone knew that boxing is the best for fighting and can be added to any style, even karate.
This was definitely one of the better Tai Chi fight videos I have seen. Love how he redirected into throws. Wonderful.
Taikiken Does not come from taiji, it comes from yi quan, As far as I know, it has no connection to taiji
Both have asian roots.
Finally, a fight between two fighters from the same fantasy world.
I really like seeing this. Back in the 80s I took Tai Chi from a guy from China that also taught Kung Fu. There was quite a lot of mysticism that drew me in at the time, but doesn't make much sense to me now. I really like seeing that there are principles in Tai Chi that work under the right circumstances. I'd really be curious about the relationship between Tai Chi and Judo - though maybe the biggest difference is the amount of full contact sparring each competitor does. Very cool video and I definitely like seeing your channel in my feed! 👍
The amount of protective gear just makes this silly.
I like the headguard and grion protector for this kind of sparring. good for the Japanese always reserving Chinese culture
The Baji guy showed a part of the form Xiao Jia from Bajiquan and the Tai Chi was collecting his breath to get ready.
The Tai chi guy used the grappling techniques the forms have, while the Baji was aggressive but did not stuck to the opponent to do takedowns or the famous Tie Shan Kao or the DingZhou/elbow strike
Yeah! Tie Shan Kao would have been awesome!
Doesn't look like an intense fight, BUT rather the most insane looking sparring with insanely good technique. WOW.
*goes to Japanese court
Interpreter: Don't worry, I can translate about half of everything they're saying.
I like when the Tai chi guy actually blitzed with some punches for a moment
I like Bajiquan guy's lightning fast quick step low flick-kicks he uses to start combos. See when he steps out of the red, how he taps tai chi guy's shin first
You know of more videos(or any) on the japanese form/adaptation of tai-chi?
Love the video as always
This looks like an elementary schoolyard fight.
White needs more head defense. He would have lost after having been kod.
His redirect throw was nice.
Smaller dude was aggressive.
_"Your momentum is wrong.... I will Redirect you."_ 😎
(("Like if you ever hear someone say that.. Back Up😅 Recalibrate..."))
that was some decent taichi. decent Bajiquan too. Bajiquan guy needs to work on his range. the starting every combo with a kick thing is a strategy that works even if its predictable. f you are in range for the kick to properly land, if you can conceal the first kick enough that the defender doesnt retreat from it.
So satisfying to see Tai Chi used effectively
a lot of judokas in my dojo is so tai chi like. one of them take me down with de ashi harai four times in a roll without me even feel anything. it is almost zero gravity when he sweep me
This is a new format of chinese martial art competition. However the rules look like silat competition, with the fighter shows their strike first, and have counts on falling
Check out Han Feilong, the Tai Chi Dragon. He has some really cool highlights.
I’d have thought the baji guy would be more explosive, but it felt like neither were throwing as hard as they could. Are they discouraged from it in that format?
Are there more matches like this from this event? Style vs style
Taikiken is really hard to find any information about, in Japan I tried to find some books about it but they were all out on print
This is ridiculous. Neither one of these gentlemen could last 30 seconds in the ring with any of my 14-year-old students.
Not bad!
Nice. Seems like a San Shou match, but with long pants and shirts.
Guy in black has the cardio of a pack of hotdogs.
@@UnskilledGrappler lol..that was a surreal comment
More of Tai Chi!!!
Apparently this isn't like a movie.
Please include a link to, or explanation of the rules.
Great Tai Chi moves.
Baji guy needs cardio, he got freaking gassed
I guess the black uniform guy is “Baji tanglang” from Su Yuchang? GM Su was pretty popular in Japan
Tell me more!
So what's the the secret in the tai chi throw thingy? 🙂
И я столько лет потратил на эту ерунду..да тут выйдет боксёр,кикбоксёр,муай-тай и похоронит этих "мастеров"..
I'm glad to see Kung Fu and Tai Chi in contact tournaments, but this doesn't look at all like real combat. I didn't see any striking that would hurt someone. In fact, it looked more like a push hands event or a training exercise than a real fight.
Interesting video, would like to see either of these fight a boxer/kick boxer or judoka, wouldn’t be interested in BBJ fighter may as well throw them in a swimming pool and see who can do the most lengths
What degree of contact was allowed in this ruleset?
💀..You are Perceptive✨️
Taichi finally
Those two masters don't seem to have spent that much time in combat... Great posing but in terms of technique?.....
Slo mo battle! ❤😂
Guy in black is so rigid. Looks like someone's grandpa trying to fight.
Tai Ki Ken is Yi Chuan. In this fight I saw Tai Chi chuan.
The Baji-Mantis guy was very slow for the style which is usually extremely fast, and he is poorly grounded. Not a good representative of the styles. Tai Chi guy did fairly well.
I'm good in Hutt Chi. 😂
Very funny.
I see very little Tai Chi Chuan here....
How about Tai Chi Vs MMA?
if this is the best you've seen, you need to get out more, a LOT more.
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Kid fight no match for MMA
awesome vid, but too bad it wasen't longer.
these karate guys don't focus on stamina or endurance
No way its only a 3cm difference
without face guard, baji guy would have won from the start...
That guy had 0 base. A white belt judoka could throw him at the end of their first class
shincho-sa 3cm!?
They both look so unstable. Too much time training drills and not enough grappling sparring. A judoka would have them upside down
Saying someone does both Shaolin and Taijiquan is a dead giveaway he doesn't really do Taijiquan. Taijiquan moves the whole body with the dantian; Shaolin does not. Two radically different forms of movement and only the gullible would accept the idea that someone can do both.
Is this just for show. I'm genuinely not trolling but this would not work in real world.
Like to untrained teenagers.😂
very poor
Benn an unlicensed fighter, who has never won a title; and certified drug cheat; claiming World Champions are ducking him🤦🏾. He's more deluded than Charlie Zelenoff
Japan has the real Chinese martial arts, especially Taiji.. not the Beijing Taiji nonsense that was formed after the Cultural Revolution.
Looks too slow and awkward. Maybe if they had more practice sparring
WTF is this ridiculous thing?
this looks horrible from the very beginning
The 'winner' took a lot of hits, but because of the headgear was able to shake them off and put the other guy on the ground. Then he did a li'l flourish and pose as if he won that exchange. 😠
2 dumplings with face mask bumping each other. What a joke.
I realy don't find this impressive. If this traditional stuff is so worthy then why isn't it used in mma or any Real fights.
@@Nuffsed81 should we fight for this channel and find out?