BikeRadar have just done a test on the new Yeti A.R.C. It's on their RUclips channel. Would be great if Yeti reached out to you and offered one for you to test.
Thanks, I'm glad you like them. I hate judging a book by its cover, but we should at least take a look at the new stuff and talk about it. I hope to get one in for review sometime so I can actually judge it by how it rides.
Love Yeti, my first MTB was an ARS aluminum 26er. They lost me when they went to press fit BB, I want something I can easily work on myself. Still, every time I see the Yeti turquoise it gets my heart rate going. Also wish they would do some alloy bikes, not just because of price, I just don't like carbon frames.
These look dope! I used to have a 575 - that was such a fun bike! Yeti in-general makes really awesome products. Would be cool to see if you could review the ARC!
Excellent video. Just want to say that these are almost as valuable as the ride reviews and I'm happy to see you go through the website layouts. Even though the ride reviews are better in terms of ride quality perspective, this online space is where most people are going to fall victim to marketing. Plus there are things I missed when initially looking at this bike online... That's ok though. Still stoked with my Marin San Quentin purchase :)
Yep, rear suspension LEGS! love it! I have a 66.5 HTA with 130mm it rides nice but my SS is a fully rigid 67HTA and I agree with a 120 or 130 prefer a slacker HTA. A super lite SID or StepCast 120mm for would be nicely paired with frame in my opinion. It's awesome that they have 2.6" tires, props for putting stability into a hardtail where it counts. Skinny tires don't fit into my ride for life-style.
Coming from a do or die hard HT ethos, I finally purchased my first full suspension bike this last year. I broke two steel GG Squashmoly? Pedalheads in the course of a year an a half and in spite of a great no questions asked policy by GG replacement, I thought it best to get something squishy to deal with my rowdier days on the bike. I begrudgingly haven't found the magic bullet. My first 6 month stint on an sb150 sometimes leaves me questioning the level of flex that the rear of my bikes allows at 215lbs even though I have a ton of fun. However, if Yeti engineered a similar flexy compliance on the ARC I would be willing to give it a look. I think that new Honzo seems more buzz interesting, but I wonder if a closer to traditional - modern geo space is where a hardtail should live if you have 2 bikes. Seems to be a (Yeti, scoff) first world quandary to have, but I would love to ride the Honzo and Yeti and feel for myself if the future is of hardtails is personal or still approaching. Steeeeeel!!!
hardtail party ya, you make a good point about people paying for that straight line top tube. Definitely looks sleek. It’s a yeti, so I can’t imagine it wouldn’t ride great. Hopefully 67 degrees up front feels plenty capable. I think it will!
@@tommorris2050 Most of the 67* bikes I ride feel good on the flatter stuff. On the steeper terrain out west where I live, I typically prefer 64-66*. Hopefully I can get one in and test it. It's a little disheartening to hear the president of yeti say "We’ve been so focused on full suspension bikes for the past five years we forgot how fun a hardtail could be."
hardtail party interesting, I didn’t know yetis president said that. But it sounds like they’ve realized what they’re missing out on and are joining the hardtail party!
Just bought the C1. Love it. Wish it has SRAM kit, but, it wouldve been in December at the earliest. Ill just swap the components next summer. I still cant stop grinning. I love a hardtail. Only let down for me was the inability to run a full bash guard and the pressfit.
I can’t wait till you get a chance to review this bike. That Geo, the 44mm fork offset and that low BB. I think it’s going to be a nice riding bike. As for the PF BB92 I prefer threaded like the rest of the world but they some BB have threaded conversion kit. It has a 170mm dropper and I think it goes up to 200mm, I know you like that.
I’ve long wanted a Yeti hardtail, even more this version compared to the last. Hoping to snag one locally as soon as they drop to demo/review. I’ve been looking at carbon hardtails recently for the quiver, this one is a bit $$$ tho. Press fit bb😐 the SLX works for me, have it one my Surly ICT and really happy. I have Fox Performance on my full suspension and it’s really good too.
Oddly, I never really paid attention to the "down country" term until I bought my Spot Ryve 115. With the light build kit it has, the term describes it pretty well. At least for someone who generally rode more gravity oriented bikes. It's a rocket on climbs and can still hold its own on descents. The ARC looks like fun, but I don't know if I'd trade my Chameleon AL for one.
New Yeti is nice it looks like it steers from the feet...I'm in the market for a new hardtail...this is one out of the few that I'm looking @. I might pull the trigger on the new Spot Rocker I'm just waiting for more reviews for this year.
I'm comparing directly to my Sync'R Carbon. Keep debating buying a higher quality frame and swapping everything over. The ARC is almost it. Nothing too steep in the midwest where I"m at, so the 67 HTA would be fine on the ARC.
@@SasquatchFPV The real issue I'd have with the BB on the Arc is that I'm not able to see if it has a bonded in metal interface for the bearings or not. I just can't convince myself that pure carbon BB interfaces would have a longevity on level with more common BB shells. I kinda expect the carbon BB shell to be ovalized or widened after a few years of regular riding.
I'm with you on the press BB and the internal routing but I feel like most Yeti owners don't work on their bikes anyway. That being said though, now that they have a decent priced/ specd entry level model, l am considering getting one. I've always admired Yetis from afar but never got too close due to the $$$$$$ factor
Hah you hit the nail in the head for the nostalgia factor with this bike. Carbon hardtail with lifetime warranty though sounds pretty enticing. Cant wait to hopefully see you do a full review!
Fortunately most carbon bikes have lifetime warranties these days. I hope to review one of these on the channel, but I don't have any contacts at yeti. It's not looking good. :(
I agree with your assessment that it's (ARC) not that modern in the geo. Looks like a 2017/18 Santa Cruz Chameleon (great bike, but a bit short for my liking), which you touched on. The ARC's rather heavy too. I've always been a fan of Yeti, but between this and the SB 115 they came up a bit short (literally too) for my liking. Different strokes for different folks. Check out the Norco Revolver HT with the 120 fork (sadly overlooked for 2020). It's marketed as an XC race bike, and performs like it, but is extremely capable. No crazy long stem, slack(ish), Long.... My XL is in the 23lbs range with pedals and some upgrades. HT lover for sure!!! Cheers!
Thanks, I appreciate it. I was a little reluctant to do it since it's all speculation, but I think it's important to talk about these bikes while they're new. As long as people understand they're 99% assumption, and they don't replace a true onboard review, I think they're a good thing.
In my experience, they're finicky, creaky, and tolerances have to be perfect or else they'll give you problems. Threaded bbs are such a great tried and tried solution for bbs, especially on a hardtail.
What about putting a 140mm fork on it to slacker the hta a little? Obvs it would raise the BB and stuff but I feel like it could really make this more aggressive.
Well thought out review. This bike looks amazing. I'm getting one and can't wait to hear your review! Interesting that you prefer the GX build. How do you feel about Shimano shifting? I think it's great.
Ill have one in for review soob. I haven't been super impressed with shimano 12 speed lately. If you get a good one, it's good. But there have been a lot of reliability issues.
Can't wait until you swing a leg over the arc and give your opinion. I have an aluminum chameleon now but really would like to know what the arc rides like with the steeper sta and 2.6 rubber.
I emailed them about throwing a 140 fork on it and they said it wouldn’t void the warranty. I think with a 140 fork it’d be a pretty capable trail bike.
I was so stoked until I heard you say press fit bottom bracket. As much as I love how the bike looks, I don't wanna buy more specialty tools to remove/install press fit bottom brackets
ARC used to be “Alloy Racing Composite” as the aluminum sequel to the FRO “ For Racing Only” Now it’s apparently just nostalgia marketing...but a rad bike nonetheless
I ride a yeti sb5 and a Stache 7 HT and luv a good HT. Can't wait to throw a leg over this...hoping its got more rowdy than xc in its genes. If so, Stache is going up for sale!
Great initial thoughts on the new Yeti. Ironic though that Jared Graves was racing one this weekend in XC mode - Fox Factory 34 Step Cast 120mm fork (it would sharpen the front end a tad and lower the BB height a little), 175mm Shimano cranks and a straight seat post. Shame it has a BB92 Press fit BB though.
@@hardtailparty it certainly looked the business. Matching Yeti turquoise coloured forks and some of Jared's custom decals on the side of the head tube. Pictures over on his Instagram page. Just wish Yeti would have some sort of logo on the side of the downtube or top tube but that's the nostalgia in me harking back to the early 90's.
Because I've ridden head tubes from 71-64* for 25+ years. Steep head tubes usually ride twitchy on steep terrain and they steer more with the bars than the feet.
Down Country as a name is pretty dumb, they used it as a marketing term with "Down Country done different". But what's your beef with Down Country bikes. Lots of us live in more mellow areas and want a bike with trail geo but not trail travel.
My beef is with the marketing term, not with fun, short-travel bikes. I have people email me every day asking the following: "I ride ________ bike. Is it considered downcountry?" People don't know what it means, but they know they want it. That's marketing for ya. Serious question: how is this yeti "downcountry done different?" It's a trail bike. It's just like the DV9 with a tiny bit more travel. The DV9 is marketed as a trail bike you can race XC with ont he weekends, and it's perfect for that. Downcountry is just confusing people because it doesn't mean anything anymore. What's "trail travel?" I've generally considered bikes from 120-140mm "trail" bikes. So I'm not sure how downcountry is different. It's just a new arbitrary classification that is so broad in scope, that people are claiming it because it's the new hot buzzword. I remember ready Levy's article when it came out and he tried to start a new term. But today everyone's just re-branding their trail bikes as downcountry. I have no problem with trail bikes that are beefier than XC, and not as aggressive as the big travel slack machines like the Kona. Different areas need different trails. What I don't like is vague marketing speak that only further muddies the waters.
I think its going to party. I have a v1 pivot les 27.5 and it has a 69° head tube, and I can keep up with other kids on enduro bikes so the 67° makes me personally excited!
@@lukesteele5013 possibly, but I like to focus on trail bikes more than xc bikes. I find xc bikes with steep geo twitchy and nervous. People already expect hardtails to be nervous, so I try to focus on bikes that are a bit more enjoyable to ride.
We have a girl who rides a les on our high school mtb team. It has been a game changer for her. She rides so much better on that bike than her old stumpy. So maybe I should give one a try...
I’m surprised they designed that with a pressfit... kind of a dealbreaker for me. But cool to see yeti making a trail hardtail. Hardtails are coming back.
I'm not seeing a single voodoo hardtail that has a head angle slacker than 69*. Do you have a link? I remember voodoo from back in the day. I'd love to see them with a modern bike.
@@hardtailparty same cable ports, drop chainstays the same. www.halfords.com/bikes/mountain-bikes/voodoo-bizango-carbon-mountain-bike---s-m-l-xl-209438.html
@@hardtailparty Ok, bummer. the bike looks pretty good but im a little concered about a 150 fork. i would like a allround, bikepacking bike..do you think 150 revelation is to much for mellow trails and bikepacking?
A dentists hardtail? Cool. For dentists. Me? I'd rather have a bike I don't have to worry about scratching. I guess we all ride for different reasons. Also...WHY a fox 34? Who specs a 34 on a bike when a pike is better in every way.
Yeti and fox are close partners. Their switch infinity linkage utilizes fox stanchions. Fox is also more bling in the eyes of a lot of consumers, and it will appeal to their audience. I prefer a pike myself (the new sid would be killer on this too), but I like fox 34s too. I think a stepcast 34 would be great in this too.
Is it just me or does this seem like the rich mans chameleon? My 19’ s+ build weighs 27lbs, and their carbon weighs 26? That’s not enough to explain an extra grand
I try not to be a "fan" of any brand if I can help it. I try to be objective and evsluate the info available. If I was a yeti fan, I'd be biased every time something yeti came up. Same if I hated yeti. I've loved some yetis and hated others. I wasn't a fan of the sb5 or the sb4.5. I liked the sb5.5, the sb66c and the sb150. I think yeti is making some great bikes right now, but that doesn't mean I should just be a yeti fan and pretend everything they do is perfect. The purpose of taking a look at these isn't to praise a company because of their other bikes, it's to examine this new model objectively. I don't believe in praising a bike or hating a bike simply because it's made by a certain brand. We should be objective. I love yeti's bikes (for the most part). What I don't love is marketing fluff that isn't accurate. When I see that, I'll call it out, regardless of the brand. Some people like to compartmentalize people into those who either love yeti or hate yeti (or whatever brand). I try to be objective. Hopefully I get to ride one of these in person and come to my own conclusion about what it's like. It looks like a great bike, but I have some suspicions it's not going to ride like a great all-rounder. I hope I'm proven wrong when I ride one.
It's exciting to have yeti back in the Hardtail game. Welcome back yeti, we missed you. Im excited to throw a leg over this thing.
Check out the 9point8 slack-r. It’s an angle set for integrated headsets.
@@JLongbrake I have one. Stay tuned for my video on Monday. It's got a few gotchas when installing it
It would be nice to see someone put a 9point8 Slack-R on this hardtail
BikeRadar have just done a test on the new Yeti A.R.C. It's on their RUclips channel. Would be great if Yeti reached out to you and offered one for you to test.
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I like these segments. Getting your opinion on different hardtails is great.
Thanks, I'm glad you like them. I hate judging a book by its cover, but we should at least take a look at the new stuff and talk about it. I hope to get one in for review sometime so I can actually judge it by how it rides.
Love Yeti, my first MTB was an ARS aluminum 26er. They lost me when they went to press fit BB, I want something I can easily work on myself. Still, every time I see the Yeti turquoise it gets my heart rate going. Also wish they would do some alloy bikes, not just because of price, I just don't like carbon frames.
These look dope! I used to have a 575 - that was such a fun bike! Yeti in-general makes really awesome products. Would be cool to see if you could review the ARC!
Excellent video. Just want to say that these are almost as valuable as the ride reviews and I'm happy to see you go through the website layouts. Even though the ride reviews are better in terms of ride quality perspective, this online space is where most people are going to fall victim to marketing. Plus there are things I missed when initially looking at this bike online... That's ok though. Still stoked with my Marin San Quentin purchase :)
Yep, rear suspension LEGS! love it! I have a 66.5 HTA with 130mm it rides nice but my SS is a fully rigid 67HTA and I agree with a 120 or 130 prefer a slacker HTA. A super lite SID or StepCast 120mm for would be nicely paired with frame in my opinion. It's awesome that they have 2.6" tires, props for putting stability into a hardtail where it counts. Skinny tires don't fit into my ride for life-style.
Coming from a do or die hard HT ethos, I finally purchased my first full suspension bike this last year. I broke two steel GG Squashmoly? Pedalheads in the course of a year an a half and in spite of a great no questions asked policy by GG replacement, I thought it best to get something squishy to deal with my rowdier days on the bike. I begrudgingly haven't found the magic bullet. My first 6 month stint on an sb150 sometimes leaves me questioning the level of flex that the rear of my bikes allows at 215lbs even though I have a ton of fun. However, if Yeti engineered a similar flexy compliance on the ARC I would be willing to give it a look. I think that new Honzo seems more buzz interesting, but I wonder if a closer to traditional - modern geo space is where a hardtail should live if you have 2 bikes. Seems to be a (Yeti, scoff) first world quandary to have, but I would love to ride the Honzo and Yeti and feel for myself if the future is of hardtails is personal or still approaching. Steeeeeel!!!
No other hardtails really excited me until this one!! I think I’ll probably buy one
Hopefully it rides as good as it looks.
hardtail party ya, you make a good point about people paying for that straight line top tube. Definitely looks sleek. It’s a yeti, so I can’t imagine it wouldn’t ride great. Hopefully 67 degrees up front feels plenty capable. I think it will!
@@tommorris2050 Most of the 67* bikes I ride feel good on the flatter stuff. On the steeper terrain out west where I live, I typically prefer 64-66*. Hopefully I can get one in and test it. It's a little disheartening to hear the president of yeti say "We’ve been so focused on full suspension bikes for the past five years we forgot how fun a hardtail could be."
hardtail party interesting, I didn’t know yetis president said that. But it sounds like they’ve realized what they’re missing out on and are joining the hardtail party!
@@rguitarist i sure can, and it does work.
Once again great job Steve. I really learn so much from your channel. Thanks again!
Hope you get one, to review. Can't wait. Have a safe day aGreat day partying in the mountains.
Just bought the C1. Love it. Wish it has SRAM kit, but, it wouldve been in December at the earliest. Ill just swap the components next summer. I still cant stop grinning. I love a hardtail. Only let down for me was the inability to run a full bash guard and the pressfit.
Congrats! I'd love to try one someday.
I can’t wait till you get a chance to review this bike. That Geo, the 44mm fork offset and that low BB. I think it’s going to be a nice riding bike. As for the PF BB92 I prefer threaded like the rest of the world but they some BB have threaded conversion kit. It has a 170mm dropper and I think it goes up to 200mm, I know you like that.
I actually just received one. Patrons have seen a few sneak peeks. Review coming early next year.
I’ve long wanted a Yeti hardtail, even more this version compared to the last. Hoping to snag one locally as soon as they drop to demo/review. I’ve been looking at carbon hardtails recently for the quiver, this one is a bit $$$ tho. Press fit bb😐 the SLX works for me, have it one my Surly ICT and really happy. I have Fox Performance on my full suspension and it’s really good too.
Oddly, I never really paid attention to the "down country" term until I bought my Spot Ryve 115. With the light build kit it has, the term describes it pretty well. At least for someone who generally rode more gravity oriented bikes. It's a rocket on climbs and can still hold its own on descents.
The ARC looks like fun, but I don't know if I'd trade my Chameleon AL for one.
I like the new “hardtail news” segments.
New Yeti is nice it looks like it steers from the feet...I'm in the market for a new hardtail...this is one out of the few that I'm looking @.
I might pull the trigger on the new Spot Rocker I'm just waiting for more reviews for this year.
I hope you're right. I'm betting this one steers more from the bars, but we'll see.
Wish it had a BSA bottom bracket. Everything else looks awesome.
I'm comparing directly to my Sync'R Carbon. Keep debating buying a higher quality frame and swapping everything over. The ARC is almost it. Nothing too steep in the midwest where I"m at, so the 67 HTA would be fine on the ARC.
@@SasquatchFPV The real issue I'd have with the BB on the Arc is that I'm not able to see if it has a bonded in metal interface for the bearings or not. I just can't convince myself that pure carbon BB interfaces would have a longevity on level with more common BB shells. I kinda expect the carbon BB shell to be ovalized or widened after a few years of regular riding.
most manufacturers seem to be doing just a carbon tube. I guess if it ovalizes, you can always warranty the frame.
Can’t wait for this review. I’m on the verge of buying but want to see how it rides.
Hey Steve, loved the format of this video calling out the silly marketing and getting down to the details that matter. Thanks.
I bugged a few yeti fans, but it needs to be called out. It could be a killer bike (it probably is) but the marketing is a bit silly.
Nice video! I love that just say what you think and don’t have emotional attachment. Please make a video about the nukeproof scout.
Maybe this is why more companies don't send me bikes to review? ;) I don't imagine this video would convince yeti to send me one for review.
I've waited for this for years. Love my 09 575. Gave up a month ago and ordered a Dv9!
The DV9 is a great bike.
I'm with you on the press BB and the internal routing but I feel like most Yeti owners don't work on their bikes anyway. That being said though, now that they have a decent priced/ specd entry level model, l am considering getting one. I've always admired Yetis from afar but never got too close due to the $$$$$$ factor
Love these breakdown videos!
Hah you hit the nail in the head for the nostalgia factor with this bike. Carbon hardtail with lifetime warranty though sounds pretty enticing. Cant wait to hopefully see you do a full review!
Fortunately most carbon bikes have lifetime warranties these days. I hope to review one of these on the channel, but I don't have any contacts at yeti. It's not looking good. :(
@@hardtailparty I beleive in you!
Its absolutely perfect to me.
I agree with your assessment that it's (ARC) not that modern in the geo. Looks like a 2017/18 Santa Cruz Chameleon (great bike, but a bit short for my liking), which you touched on. The ARC's rather heavy too. I've always been a fan of Yeti, but between this and the SB 115 they came up a bit short (literally too) for my liking. Different strokes for different folks. Check out the Norco Revolver HT with the 120 fork (sadly overlooked for 2020). It's marketed as an XC race bike, and performs like it, but is extremely capable. No crazy long stem, slack(ish), Long.... My XL is in the 23lbs range with pedals and some upgrades. HT lover for sure!!! Cheers!
Won’t the 9point8 slacker work ?
I want that bike
I love this video format for you.
Thanks, I appreciate it. I was a little reluctant to do it since it's all speculation, but I think it's important to talk about these bikes while they're new. As long as people understand they're 99% assumption, and they don't replace a true onboard review, I think they're a good thing.
Why do you not like the pressed in Bottom Bracket?
In my experience, they're finicky, creaky, and tolerances have to be perfect or else they'll give you problems. Threaded bbs are such a great tried and tried solution for bbs, especially on a hardtail.
Sounds like a good opportunity to test out the new 9point8 Slack-R.
You're going to like Monday's video. :)
What about putting a 140mm fork on it to slacker the hta a little? Obvs it would raise the BB and stuff but I feel like it could really make this more aggressive.
see my latest video.
Well thought out review. This bike looks amazing. I'm getting one and can't wait to hear your review! Interesting that you prefer the GX build. How do you feel about Shimano shifting? I think it's great.
Ill have one in for review soob. I haven't been super impressed with shimano 12 speed lately. If you get a good one, it's good. But there have been a lot of reliability issues.
@@hardtailparty Ok thanks - good to know. I also hear availability of parts is limited now so maybe GX is the answer. Can always upgrade to axs too 😆
Can't wait until you swing a leg over the arc and give your opinion. I have an aluminum chameleon now but really would like to know what the arc rides like with the steeper sta and 2.6 rubber.
I hope I get to try one someday. I haven't heard back from Yeti, so it's not looking promising.
Always confuses me when people say that bikepacking bags ruin carbon frames. Never had any issues with mine.
bikepacking.com/plan/bike-frame-protection/
4:10 HELLOOO, HAMBINI FANS!
I just ordered one of these on Competitive Cyclist and they're saying 2/1/21 delivery. Can't wait!
I'll have a review of it on this channel before then. Stay tuned...
Yeti is a marketing company that orders stuff, Vietnam is pretty far away. That factory probably only does PF92
I emailed them about throwing a 140 fork on it and they said it wouldn’t void the warranty. I think with a 140 fork it’d be a pretty capable trail bike.
I think 130mm should be plenty capable, it's just that 67* head angle that would hold me back.
hardtail party that’s what I like about adding 10mm to the stock geo. Slightly higher bb, slacker HA and slightly slacker STA.
Looks super nice, and geometry seems good for my riding. Press fit BB (creak, creak), however, bums me out. Maybe I can get over that.
I was so stoked until I heard you say press fit bottom bracket. As much as I love how the bike looks, I don't wanna buy more specialty tools to remove/install press fit bottom brackets
Does anyone know what the arc name came from? May have to trade the stache in.
ARC used to be “Alloy Racing Composite” as the aluminum sequel to the FRO “ For Racing Only” Now it’s apparently just nostalgia marketing...but a rad bike nonetheless
I ride a yeti sb5 and a Stache 7 HT and luv a good HT. Can't wait to throw a leg over this...hoping its got more rowdy than xc in its genes. If so, Stache is going up for sale!
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Loved the video today. Have you ridden or reviewed the nukeproof scout on your Chanel?
No. I've reached out to them about 5 times and I've never received a reply.
@@hardtailparty Thats too bad. Its a bike a lot of people are interested in.
I love your pessimism with all the marketing hype! :-D
Great initial thoughts on the new Yeti. Ironic though that Jared Graves was racing one this weekend in XC mode - Fox Factory 34 Step Cast 120mm fork (it would sharpen the front end a tad and lower the BB height a little), 175mm Shimano cranks and a straight seat post. Shame it has a BB92 Press fit BB though.
I'll bet it was a killer xc race bike.
@@hardtailparty it certainly looked the business. Matching Yeti turquoise coloured forks and some of Jared's custom decals on the side of the head tube. Pictures over on his Instagram page. Just wish Yeti would have some sort of logo on the side of the downtube or top tube but that's the nostalgia in me harking back to the early 90's.
you can always commission custom stickers from Stikrd.
why you dont like the steep headtube
Because I've ridden head tubes from 71-64* for 25+ years. Steep head tubes usually ride twitchy on steep terrain and they steer more with the bars than the feet.
Are you going to be doing a video on the 9point8 slack-R? Seems like it would be perfect on a chameleon
Yes and yes. Monday's video.
Love the video. Can you make review of rurok kanlaon? Thank you🇵🇭
Yes I can. Coming soon.
Checkout the new BMC hardtail 100mm travel with trail geometry frame !
I loved what I saw in the press release yesterday. Looks awesome. I love seeing xc bikes with more aggressive geo. I'd love to demo one of those.
9point8 just came out with an angle headset that can be used in an integrated headset. I got one coming to try in my fat bike ☺️
You're going to like tomorrow's video
@@hardtailparty what a coincidence! It's supposed to be delivered tomorrow ☺️
@@josephbeckstead524 Let me know if you encounter the same challenges I did.
Down Country as a name is pretty dumb, they used it as a marketing term with "Down Country done different". But what's your beef with Down Country bikes. Lots of us live in more mellow areas and want a bike with trail geo but not trail travel.
My beef is with the marketing term, not with fun, short-travel bikes. I have people email me every day asking the following:
"I ride ________ bike. Is it considered downcountry?" People don't know what it means, but they know they want it. That's marketing for ya.
Serious question: how is this yeti "downcountry done different?"
It's a trail bike. It's just like the DV9 with a tiny bit more travel. The DV9 is marketed as a trail bike you can race XC with ont he weekends, and it's perfect for that. Downcountry is just confusing people because it doesn't mean anything anymore.
What's "trail travel?" I've generally considered bikes from 120-140mm "trail" bikes. So I'm not sure how downcountry is different. It's just a new arbitrary classification that is so broad in scope, that people are claiming it because it's the new hot buzzword.
I remember ready Levy's article when it came out and he tried to start a new term. But today everyone's just re-branding their trail bikes as downcountry.
I have no problem with trail bikes that are beefier than XC, and not as aggressive as the big travel slack machines like the Kona. Different areas need different trails. What I don't like is vague marketing speak that only further muddies the waters.
I think its going to party. I have a v1 pivot les 27.5 and it has a 69° head tube, and I can keep up with other kids on enduro bikes so the 67° makes me personally excited!
It should definitely feel more aggressive than a les
@@hardtailparty would you ever do a review on one? There aren't many out there, even of the new ones
@@lukesteele5013 possibly, but I like to focus on trail bikes more than xc bikes. I find xc bikes with steep geo twitchy and nervous. People already expect hardtails to be nervous, so I try to focus on bikes that are a bit more enjoyable to ride.
@@hardtailparty ya makes sense. We want people to join the party, not leave!
We have a girl who rides a les on our high school mtb team. It has been a game changer for her. She rides so much better on that bike than her old stumpy. So maybe I should give one a try...
Did you see that Kona updated the geo for the Honzo. But not the big honzo, it still has the old geo and the cheap frame, even for the dL big honzo😕
yes
I hope you get a chance to review this. On the short list
I've been trying, but no luck
I’m surprised they designed that with a pressfit... kind of a dealbreaker for me. But cool to see yeti making a trail hardtail. Hardtails are coming back.
I hate how much marketing b.s. is in the cycling industry coupled the incrementalism , im just so cynical about these money making juggernauts.
Well they are a business after all.
Same factory as the cheap as chips carbon voodoo ?
I dunno. Manufacturers are pretty tight-lipped about who builds their frames for them.
@@hardtailparty have a look. Not that far apart and costs tons less.
I'm not seeing a single voodoo hardtail that has a head angle slacker than 69*. Do you have a link? I remember voodoo from back in the day. I'd love to see them with a modern bike.
@@hardtailparty same cable ports, drop chainstays the same. www.halfords.com/bikes/mountain-bikes/voodoo-bizango-carbon-mountain-bike---s-m-l-xl-209438.html
Downcountry is just a trendy, catchy term for "short travel trail bike".
i would love to see a slack scott scale ht
Those exist? I'd love to see that too as I could use some pointers to slacken out my scott aspect
@@theGiver3 bro, i'm building my scott with a fork 150mm travel
Hardtail party have you tried Sonder Transmitter?
Nope. I've reached out to them a few times, but no luck.
@@hardtailparty Ok, bummer. the bike looks pretty good but im a little concered about a 150 fork. i would like a allround, bikepacking bike..do you think 150 revelation is to much for mellow trails and bikepacking?
I'd want closer to 120-130 for what you describe, but 150 can work.
A dentists hardtail? Cool. For dentists. Me? I'd rather have a bike I don't have to worry about scratching. I guess we all ride for different reasons. Also...WHY a fox 34? Who specs a 34 on a bike when a pike is better in every way.
Yeti and fox are close partners. Their switch infinity linkage utilizes fox stanchions. Fox is also more bling in the eyes of a lot of consumers, and it will appeal to their audience. I prefer a pike myself (the new sid would be killer on this too), but I like fox 34s too. I think a stepcast 34 would be great in this too.
Direct competition for the dv9. A more capable xc bike. Something you could race and play with! Keep em coming Steve, your killing it on the content!!
It may not be the most modern hardtail geometry, but its slightly more modern than a Chameleon or Timberjack
Agreed. 0.3* slacker than a chameleon. And slacker isn't always better. For my terrain, I'd love to see it in the 65* range, but that's me.
@@hardtailpartybut the reach is much better
Even the pink bike dude says he doesn't like the term down country 😮or at least he didn't 😂🤘
Even though he invented it. :)
Nice bike but $3,600 ? I think the DV9 is just as nice and the SLX build can be had for 2900.
The dv9 appears to be a better value. Time will tell how this frame rides compared to the dv9.
Building a Commencal HT Will look better that this YETI HT
Is it just me or does this seem like the rich mans chameleon? My 19’ s+ build weighs 27lbs, and their carbon weighs 26? That’s not enough to explain an extra grand
Yeti has always been a premium brand. Geo is very similar to the chameleon, but with a steeper sta and a tad more reach.
She's a sexy bike.
Can pretty much tell from the start you’re not much of a Yeti fan.
I try not to be a "fan" of any brand if I can help it. I try to be objective and evsluate the info available. If I was a yeti fan, I'd be biased every time something yeti came up. Same if I hated yeti.
I've loved some yetis and hated others. I wasn't a fan of the sb5 or the sb4.5. I liked the sb5.5, the sb66c and the sb150. I think yeti is making some great bikes right now, but that doesn't mean I should just be a yeti fan and pretend everything they do is perfect. The purpose of taking a look at these isn't to praise a company because of their other bikes, it's to examine this new model objectively. I don't believe in praising a bike or hating a bike simply because it's made by a certain brand. We should be objective.
I love yeti's bikes (for the most part). What I don't love is marketing fluff that isn't accurate. When I see that, I'll call it out, regardless of the brand.
Some people like to compartmentalize people into those who either love yeti or hate yeti (or whatever brand). I try to be objective. Hopefully I get to ride one of these in person and come to my own conclusion about what it's like.
It looks like a great bike, but I have some suspicions it's not going to ride like a great all-rounder. I hope I'm proven wrong when I ride one.