By societies standards my grandmother wasn't an attractive woman and probably didn't turn many men's heads in her life. But to me, she was more beautiful than any super model. She was the only unconditional love that I have ever experienced in my life. I loved her wrinkled hands and face and the kindness of her soul. No man has ever even remotely given me that kind of love. We're looking in the wrong place for acceptance and love. Give it to yourself and the precious babies. If someone can't look past some wrinkles and see your soul then thank them for showing you who they are and move on.
What a wonderful tribute to your grandmother I am a grandmother myself who has a very close and loving relationship with my granddaughter. Love from Scotland xx
@@jemimabrown5041 Thank you Jemma. Your granddaughter is so very lucky to have your love and guidance in her life. I treated my grandmother like a queen and I'll bet your granddaughter does the same for you. 💜
@@LiterateAphrodisiac Thank you. I was very lucky. If everyone had someone like her in their life, there would be no need for the psychiatric system. We are really missing out on the wisdom, kindness, patience and comfort that the elderly have to offer. I love old people!!
I was starting to feel unattractive and was thinking about plastic surgery. Then I read an interview with Justine Bateman last week. I realize I’m fine the way I am. I don’t need anyone else’s approval of me. I only need my own. These ladies are truly inspirational!
Why would anybody, woman or man, want to get plastic surgery just to look like you have a duckbill for a mouth and have stretched out eyes? To me getting botox or surgery is admitting you dont like yourself, and if you don't why should anyone else?
I'll be 74 this year - gray hair, wrinkles, age spots, crepey skin and and all. Don't care what anyone thinks. I have no worries, am happy, very healthy, have friends and living my best life. That's all that counts for me.
You sound amazing, and I'm sure you look good. However, Justine Bateman looks 20 years older than she is, and we're supposed to applaud her for having pre-mature wrinkles? Gimme a break.
People act like aging is a choice. Nobody chooses to age in a particular way. Some people get more wrinkles than others. To me inner peace is more important than anything else. If you have that inner peace/ acceptance of yourself/ joy, what others think of you doesn’t really matter.
@@Nepthu Not premature wrinkles. Wrinkles are genetic and her wrinkles are age appropriate for her genetics. People are prone to wrinkles or grey hair or...at different times due to genetics, skin colour, level of moisture and collagen, lifestyle...We're not celebrating, we're accepting everyone ages at their own pace and it's not something to be ashamed of.
I feel ya. I can pump gas now without being accosted or harassed by men. I mean i miss my looks some but I'm not harassed anymore. To me, that's very freeing.
I can honestly say I don't miss that period in my life. I was plenty cute and mostly hated the male attention, though I can say that being pretty certainly has its advantages. Now at 55, I'm fine with others taking my place on that "stage of youth." And someday, those others will be replaced by others. It's the way it goes.
@@missj2813 I think it is normal to enjoy being cute :) There is much we can do to stay that way. You might check out the Peaches Skin Care channel here, lots of great tips for older femmes!
When a woman in her 80s, sitting in her wheel chair, smiled at me when I was fifty and said "Oh youth" she taught more then she could have known. I wear my silver hair proudly, have done so for years.
What we as ageing women can pass on to others is awesome. Bless this octogenarian who saw you as a girl at 50 ;) So much about perception. We lose so many years worrying about things that shouldn’t matter
I'm almost 65 years old and I'm grateful to God for each day He allows me to live. I'm a mother of adult daughters and a grandmother to four sweet wonderful grandchildren. Getting older doesn't bother me it's a gift not a curse.
@@marip2782 I'm 60 and I laughed when I read how you said it took a long time to get here. That's so true. Looking back it seems like some things were a lifetime ago.
Unfortunately this generation are too concerned about looks and likes etc and are willing to go through hoops, surgeries and filling their face and body full of poison etc to appreciate that not everyone gets the opportunity to grow older.
The Kardashians have a BIG part in this. Starting from mom Chris 65 to Kyle at 18 and all of the other ones in between. Oh yea I forgot Caitlyn. All that work and they still dont like how they look because they keep getting work done. They look fake. The younger you start doing that to your face the younger you have to keep getting work done. Its not a good message to their kids but who cares about them and their kids, they will never be happy. None of them cant even hold on to their man.
Yes, I do remember Jamie Curtis saying and acting on this and finding that so refreshing and helpful. Justine and Paulina's words and actions are equally helpful . They nailed it. ✅
Now they are going to be in a quandry in a few years, because they will be having work on top of work.................. and we all know how un human like that can get.
Aging is a privilege denied to many. I lost my mother when I was 12 and she was 42 and my sister passed 10 days ago at 60. Love the skin you're in. I'm 57, stopped dyeing my hair in the last year. So freeing. Love these beautiful ladies!
I'm 55, I'm wrinkled, I'm wise, and I'm owning it! These ladies are so refreshing...We'll never have full equality until we, as women, quit apologizing for and trying to stop the aging process.
You have no clue what equality actually is. You do not have equality now - you have superiority. You are just to blind to see it, and too feeble to use it. If you were actually treated as equal, you would hate it. Look up "Norah Vincent" and see what happened to her. p.s. The next time you want equality, try designing an electric substation. OR climb into a bucket truck on a cold snowy Christmas Eve, and maneuver your yourself and the bucket into the energized lines to make repairs and restore power to the neighborhood. If that isn't good enough, then get in a backhoe and open a muddy hole on a sweltering windy day. Dig 8 feet deep to expose the sewer line and patch the hole in it. Pffft! "equality". You THINK you want it. You really don't.
Nobody really cares about old men, nor old women. There is no apology needed. The problem is when women are young have power with their appearance, and when older they lose it and they feel there is something wrong. Being addicted to attention it is the problem. Old grannies didn't have that problem, because they themselves were not expecting to attract people at that age, today it is what causes frustration, not to attract sexually (because old ladies like Queen Elisabeth look beautiful, but not attractive Tinder-wise)
@@cristianproust elizabeth was a bloodthirsty butcher..so many black folks died because of her. but everyone only remembers the guy with the funny mustache from germany.....perhaps because his victims were white.
When I stopped dyeing my hair red (my natural colour) and let it turn white, I got really mixed reactions. Some were even cruel. Made me even more determined to just let it happen. 🔥👌
I am hoping that this expectation that every woman is going to color her hair for decades will be overcome soon ..... Most men ( who are not in Hollywood ) do not color their hair ..... they just accept the grey and often the loss of their hair. Women are being sold a bill of goods ..... My hair, now that I no longer color it, shows no sign of the natural color it was when I was in high school and college. I am fascinated every time I look in the mirror and see " 50 shades of grey ".
women like you are very inspiring to me........................ I am 48 and plan to allow my hair to turn silver thanks to brave and courageous women who have been teaching us not to let society force us to pretend to be younger than we truly are.
After colouring my hair for 35 pus years, I stopped colouring in March 2020. It was a challenge but now fully transitioned with my grey hair, my only regret is that I should have done it earlier. Funny how I get compliments on the colour now when I never did when I was colouring. My hair has never been so healthy, soft, shiny and thicker!!
This is so true!!!! At age 58 I decided to stop coloring my hair. It's not easy. Not fair that grey hair on men is just different....and looks good. I now notice women's hair even more now!
@@pimphandstrong6620 Correct. This whole comment section is one long 'cope'....after years of 'yaaaaay, gurrrl power.....yasss queen, slaayyyy', now they're all like 'waaah, why won't men invest in my half century old pu$$y'. (Cries herself to sleep with a half bucket of ice -cream and ten cats under her wrinkly arms) Welcome to the end results of the 1960's sexual revolution, ladies. Condolences.
I think it's a bid for attention. Women (and men) should be modest. Every lady I see in the media and on the street is walking around half naked. It's disconcerting. I hope God brings her a good husband and she can strip down for him.
Tamron says, "I actually happed to have a mom that is 71 and looks like she is 40, I hope I have some of that DNA going on" That is in its self the problem. Right there is what we are told to crave and hope for. I think what Paulina and Justine are talking about is not having the thoughts of wanting to look 40 at 71. It's about accepting and celebrating that we look 51, 61, 71 and trying to change the way we are taught to think.
I cringed in a “oh my god! She’s just said the exact opposite desire of what the guests are speaking to!! Eeeeeeeeek Yes Justine’s face was “ohh dear… “
@@biancahotca3244 yes. It is sad. She hit the wall hard. I dont understand this obsession these women have with denying reality and insisting we find old women as attractive or desirable as younger women. They just aren't and that's just the reality. Youth in general, whether it is men or women, is celebrated and is objectively more attractive. Everyone ages and it sucks. But that's part of life and if the current Western culture wasnt as individualistic and obsessed with youth, sex and appearance, older people and especially women would find other roles in society to derive purpose from. For women especially, it is difficult for them to accept aging as they get so many advantages in life and have a lot of sexual power simply for being a young, relatively attractive woman and it's difficult for them to lose those privileges they took for granted when they were hot and young. Eastern cultures and families have great respect for elders and dont discard them or ship them to homes to die alone like Western culture and families do and women embrace the roles of wise elders and grandmothers when they get older.. instead of still being desperate for attention like Paulina and posting pics of her in lingerie online. Yes, she still has a great body.. but there is something undignified about a 55 y/o woman doing that.
@@AC-mp7cx everyone who isnt blind does. because of the speed of light. you normally see someone before you even hear them. and your brain processes the light before sound even reaches your ears.
So true! And it happens to us guys, too. I remember when I hit my late 40s noticing the disappearance of the "tension" Paulina was talking about. As soon as I let my beard go grey, in fact, I noticed how differently I was reacted to in the public sphere. I love that she and Justine are bringing this to the forefront.
I don’t care what people say about Paulina ....she is absolutely one of the most beautiful women in the world..inside and out !!!! I hear you Paulina !!! xoxox
I’m proud to tell my age to anyone. When you’ve lost both a cousin at age 26 and your son’s friend at age 16 to cancer, suddenly complaining about aging seems so shallow and self centered. Life is so precious and each year that brings new wrinkles is a blessing. I actually look forward to aging. It’s a badge of honor and each wrinkle tells a story. You truly do gain wisdom. I look at life so differently in my middle age. I realize that I wasted so much of my youth on petty things that you could never really realize that they were actually petty until you grow with age and gain that priceless wisdom. It saddens me when I see a young person or child die. They’ll never understand life in the beautiful way that an elderly individual does. Life’s lessons unlearned and many missed opportunities to mold yourself into a better individual through trial and error. Missed opportunities to experience things and to teach the younger generations what you’ve learned. It’s just so sad. The older I get, the more I’m in aww of those that have lived to be 80 or 90 plus years old. To understand all the things I’ve already lived through, and then realize that I would have to live my entire life of over 4 decades over again, plus 7 years just to live to my Nanas age of 93, really just blows my mind! I totally appreciate the elderly even more! I can only imagine their perspective and the things they’ve seen and been through. That’s why I love talking to people that are older. I can only hope that it’s in Gods plan that I will be so lucky to see myself look so old. It’s absolutely beautiful and a true gift from God!
I'm a woman in my 30s. You know what grabs my attention the most about older women? When they wear their grey hair like a crown. OMG. It's so beautiful! I definitely will do that as I age.
I think that’s wonderful! I, on the other hand, will probably color my hair until the day I die, but I think everybody should do and be who and what works best for them. I think all women are beautiful in their own unique ways, and we should embrace, uplift, and celebrate each other! 😍
I started graying at 15 and by the age of 30 I was mostly white. Now at 54 I'm all platinum. Ive always had a positive reaction from others about my white hair and i see more women now with grey hair then i did when i was young. Grey hair is not a sign of being old...its a sign of being true to yourself. 😉
@@AStri-zg5xc Well, I’m 56 with thick, lustrous, dark brown hair; and I have some greys at the roots that stick out like sore thumbs. If I let them go, I wouldn’t be anywhere close to completely grey - I’d just look like hell, and yes, I would look much older. So my choices would be: look terrible with the grey, get my entire head of hair dyed grey because of other peoples’ opinions, get highlights all over, or color my roots to cover the few grey hairs I do have; which is by far the easiest of the decent looking options. I respect other women’s choices to do what they feel is best with their hair, and I feel that they should also respect mine. I AM being true to myself, just as you’re being true to yourself. To say otherwise is rather insulting; but I’m going to continue being true to myself, not to the opinions and judgements of others.
She has a perfectly flat stomach and no fat or cellulite. I can’t believe how much weight I have gained especially in my stomach area plus I’m dealing with an enlarged uterus and Fibroids which makes me look pregnant and I feel so badly about my appearance compared to how thin and fit I used to be. I have had chronic pain since 40 and it’s really affected everything. I would be so happy to not hurt everyday and to actually be able to exercise like I used to to look and feel better. It’s a vicious cycle.
@@lisaeischens2352 look up Dr Berg. Intermittent fasting may help, and cutting out certain foods has done wonders with cutting out pain, for me. I have auto immune issues. I feel like life is beginning again for me!
@@lisaeischens2352 For those that suffer from what you describe there is no diet, and no exercise, that will budge the fat sometimes. I was fit my whole life. A professional dancer, and actress, for years. When I retired from showbusiness I was certified and teaching yoga full time. In my early 40's I was diagnosed with very large uterine fibroids. The doctor said there was no surgery needed; menopause would shrink them. I was still a size 3/4 at age 44, then menooause hit me square in the face at 45. What has transpired since has been out of my control. I describe it as an alien took over my body. Hypothyroidism, severe adrenal fatigue, hormones out of control...no amount of rest, or medicine, or dieting, or exercise, or gluten free, sugar free, organic, raw, etc. has changed a thing. I am the heaviest I have ever been, a size 16, and accepting myself better and better each day. It sure is eye opening to be heavy-set though. The amount of fat shamers out there is undeniable. Personally, I am loving the fact that a lot of companies are catering to sizes XL and up more readily now. I hope you find a way to love yourself whether heavy or thin. Truthfully, there's a lot worse you could be in this world besides 'fat. Best wishes your way for good health. 🌿🕊💕🌎
I’m almost 53. I used to be beautiful. It was a wonderful gift to be beautiful. But, now I’m aging. All of this deep thinking about women getting older...listen... it’s about standing up for yourself, finding out who you are without your ego, and the need for ppl to fawn over you. If ppl want to treat me like an old Crone, spinstered schoolmarm that is their own issue, and it has nothing to do with me. Mostly it’s been society, and media who’s made ppl disrespect their elders anyway. You just HAVE to like yourself and not be worried how ppl see you. I’m still the same woman I was at 21. I just walked through more hurdles and became illuminated. Respect your path! Aging means you survived!
You look great in your profile pic, and I agree with you! You don't need people to fawn over you. It's what's inside that counts, and as a man, few things are as attractive and beautiful to me as a woman with a caring heart.
Love that these women are talking about this. Changing the double standard of Aging. I’m 56 and have felt the pressures to get ‘work done’ but honestly want to just love myself as I’m naturally changing.
Exactly, because you know what? Interesting IS beautiful and skin is very thin. Women can beautiful at ANY age, because it comes from your soul! I saw a pic of a woman the other day who was in her late 90's and she was absolutely beautiful! I think that is why so many young men are intrigued by older women! Number ONE, you have to care about yourself and put your best foot forward, especially when you leave the house. That may sound shallow, but it's the truth. Every day, I see women who look like they just rolled out of bed, messy hair, no makeup and sloppy clothes! If you're married, do it for your husband!
Justine Bateman seems like a woman who knows what she wants and has confidence to say things that others have said before but it is always nice to hear it from someone of your own generation
Growing up I believed my looks were very important, it was my currency thru life. My worth was in my looks until I got older but not because I was aging, I wanted to feel better not feel wanted because the men I attracted only wanted what they saw, not who I was. Decades later and with a lot of internal work, I now have the self-worth I wish I would’ve had when I was younger. I would’ve put myself first over the approval of men and the competition of other women.
If you don't like the way I look, while I'm aging. Don't look I don't care what anybody thinks. I would never get my face cut on or anything to impress somebody else. I've earned every wrinkle and they're staying where they are ! I think both these ladies are gorgeous. They look the same to me. I'm glad to see their face still moving. As it should. You get criticized if you do facelifts or whatever and you get criticized if you don't. Everybody start loving the person instead of judging.
This is exactly the work that I do with my clients!! When you feel triggered by someone’s actions towards or against you, instead of reacting out of that emotional space with anger, rage, fear, etc. you go inward and ask yourself the question, “what does this action tell me about myself” and “why do I believe it”? This level of awareness is the key to healing and moving forward into a space where those actions no longer trigger you. Wow!! So glad to hear about others doing this transformational healing work!! Yay!!!🦋
Does anyone remember when Catherine Deneuve was doing ads for some company (I think it was Lancome?) and they airbrushed her too much and she fought against it? She said something along the lines of "I'm not in my twenties I shouldn't look like I am". Thank you and you have always looked amazing!
@@dorothysay8327 correct. However Catherine Deneuve was credited for saying “There comes a time when a woman has to decide between her face and her figure”. Such a shame she contradicted herself by having so much work done...
@@bonniesimpson1636 Catherine said that there comes a time where a woman must choose either her butt or her face. That to keep your face looking younger you needed to carry a few extra pounds and yes, your butt will get bigger if you do. Now that was before everyone was obese and she is French so she wasn't talking an AMERICAN "few extra pounds" but cubby girls do look younger longer. The FAT fills out the loose skin/wrinkles! X)
The higher one is exalted to, the worse they kick you down when you fall below "their" standards. I know we all think she is still incredibly beautiful, & that BODY!!! But I totally understand where she is coming from. I love her heart & spirit, she's a REAL woman. And her JERK Ex-husband NEVER deserved her! I saw an interview with her shortly after the break-up, & he just treated her like total sh*t! & Devastated her.
@@RenePeraza He was a total D*CK & POS to her! She dedicated her life to him, and what he did to her at the end, (and probably during the long marriage) was Dispicable! May he rest in Hell!
I LOVE Justine's suggestion to take even five minutes a day and say, "Eh! I look pretty good!" and then see what irrational fears arise that you can expose and crumble! This is a really therapeutic approach to so many things. And Paulina offers some great wisdom and inspiration as well! I really love this discussion and wish there were more of these. (I wish we could have discussion groups around aging and the struggles we face along the way like we have book clubs. Seriously!)
Exactly - Agree. Especially for the woman who was once "Gorgeous" and has a hard time accepting her blessing - a support group of encouraging folks would be ideal !!
Great topic, as a 60 year old gay guy you’re invisible in WeHo at 40. It’s punishing, the oppression of youth worship. Put yourself at the table and offer it up to the Magick Man. The thing is that in other cultures women, and men, don’t gets so wigged out by their aging faces when they have dignified roles and activities and relationships that matter much to them such that the loss of beauty can be tolerated, because they live with so much more than that. Getting that ego hit of catching someone’s eye is so cheap and it’s not sustaining, and in America we live off of it, and it’s crap. One of the saddest things about Covid was all the grandmas and grandpas that died in Italy. They lived with their children and grandchildren and they help with the caretaking and with making the meals and with playing with the children or telling them stories.it was a terrific loss to the family because they were the heart of the family. But the Italians cherish their elderly by and large. And many other cultures do as well, and those people as they get older, just aren’t so obsessed with getting older One of the most gorgeous Italian actresses of her time, Sophia Loren, I think she had a good perspective on aging because she had children to focus on and family was important to her and I think she really aged well. I don’t know if she had any cosmetic surgery but I honestly don’t think she was obsessed with staying young looking. You got to know when to move into the next stage of your life with grace so that you’re not embarrassingly overstaying you’re welcome in an earlier decade you are no longer a part of. a most uncomfortable age, I think, is like your second adolescence, 45-60 aka “midlife crisis.” The slow, final death of anyThing resembling youth and beauty lol. That’s when people really get into the creams and the injections, maybe they go under the knife, the hair color, and then you wake up and just go “0Fxxx this is just not going to work anymore” let go, and focus on something more important, like getting involved with other people, Family or community, Art, garden, whatever floats your boat.. it doesn’t have to be pretty it just can be meaningful, and then it’s beautiful.Like my coworker, an aging nurse used to tell me (and she kept her hair a lovely shock of white), “getting old ain’t for sissies!” LOL I love that. When I also disclosed to her that I was going to resign my job because I really didn’t like the town I moved into and I needed to go back to Southern California to be with my parents etc. she told me immediately and directly, “do it! don’t wait another month. why are you waiting if you don’t like it here? leave.“ And I totally get it now because why waste a month of your life as you get older you see time is shrinking you better make every day count and I did leave and I’m glad I did.
@@pbohearn Good for you! I am 51 and SO learning all of this you are speaking of. Wisdom really does come with age, in ways I never knew it would! Sometimes uncomfortable ways, and they teach us to love ourselves more and more deeply. 😊
Its not vulnerable...black dont crack tamara looks amazing and what she said was not tone deaf some people just can't handle the truth everyone will get old if we live long enough!!
@@Mrsgrant-gg5mb Getting closer to inevitable death doesn't seem vulnerable to you? Do you think a pretty face is going to save you from the inevitable aches, pains, and problems of ageing? Death getting closer and closer. Ageing is vulnerable. It hurts. It hurts your body and it hurts your pride. You're just lucky to be able to not have to feel it for a while longer. Once your age finally does start showing, it hits you like a ton of bricks. Yes, some day it will even happen to you. Unless you die before you get old enough for all that. You are clearly delighted to watch white women feeling vulnerable. They have white privilege and you love seeing them being taken down a knotch. Enjoy your extended youth while you still can. Age will catch up to you, too, if you're lucky enough to live to be old enough.
Great interview! One thing I notice is that when I watch shows from the UK on Britbox the woman and men are allowed to age in movies. It was shocking at first as women age naturally and don’t have facelifts needing to look 40. I love it!
@@greenbyrd3665 it probably did and that goes to show you just how deeply ingrained it is to fight aging in our social construct even just after having a discussion about it.
Justine Bateman battled for years with anorexia and bulimia. She almost died due to organs shutting down , she has always talked about it. And helps others in their fight against these illnesses as well. Dunno if she ever did any sort of drugs , alcohol etc but she did had these illnesses for decades. And she decided to carry her journey on her face instead of erasing it. But at least she’s alive and healthy today not many women survive these despicable diseases . Paulina is still struggling with accepting aging gracefully and she talks about how deep she has to battle within herself to not get facelift. But sometimes succumbs to doing peeling , microbladding etc. She acknowledges that just like everyone she’s conditioned to fight against aging and that’s why she’s trying to ‘deprogramme ‘ herself.
I think being a model is harder as well with aging. All the attention and comments, career and money that benefitted from it only to not have it due to aging. Very tough. We are more than our looks.
Paulina is utterly gorgeous at any age and anyone who cant see it is blind. She honestly looks better than many women at any age and the fact that her beauty is not celebrated now that she is older is a tragedy, there is so much beauty in aging too. Shes like a more mature wiser womanly version of herself and her younger self is a fresh faced more youthful in attitude self both versions of the same woman are attractive to me, why cant society see that?! Ugh.. whatever.. shes stunning to me always will be..
@@misterwhiskers43 I agree. That is why “aging gracefully” is challenging. You try to tell yourself that you are blessed to age (beats the alternative), and tell yourself that despite wrinkles, age spot, less agility..that you are still beautiful and still valuable. Unfortunately, turn on the TV or open a magazine and you learn otherwise. Society tells us we should be fighting the aging process with everything in us. And gives great admiration to those who have flawless skin, shiny thick hair and size 6 bodies. It is very, very sad...
@@misterwhiskers43 Amen. I agree. I also like myself more with some age. I understand myself more with age. And if you think of people who were attracted to our beauty and youth...it is clear they were attracted to that. Beauty and youth. And yet we have SO much more to offer NOW. Greater depth, wisdom, etc. I prefer to be valued for what is inside of me. Don’t you? I am actually ok with agin. Kind of like Justine Bateman said, that the wisest, coolest and deepest woman look like that. 😊
@@misterwhiskers43 yes. I agree with you. Wish there we local groups of women in different cities that would host these discussions, meet for coffee and talk and support each other. I think that is what we need as we age, like-minded woman friends and not so much men...
Most people fear aging as it renders them invisible, obsolote, unworthy, taking up space and using resources that can be better served by younger people. In this age of plastic, older women especially are seen as dispensable, reviled for aging as they have been feted all their lives for their youthfulness and fecundity but not celebrated for their intelligence, personality, wisdom, et al; and so they are not allowed to grow older. It should be a crime to deny women the grace, compassion to reach the fullness of their experiences during the best time in their lives.
Yes! Your words are powerful and descriptive, and I relate. I am intelligent and “was” beautiful, and found myself resenting the attention for physical beauty when I was young. Men wanted to possess and fuck the image, but not connect with the deeper me. I was naive in some ways, but so much objectification made me distrust men in my life. I have been single for years, raised two kids
To add, I am nearly 60 now. The aging process brought a certain relief when the male gaze dropped pursuit of my body. I noticed this most in my early 50’s. I felt relief, but also a sadness about becoming invisible, a bittersweet moment. Also, I think you should write a book about women aging. You seem to have insight and expressive writing ability!
We as women need to lift one another up, not down. It is fine to have opinions, but be careful in how me point fingers. Sometimes each persons situation is very unique, for example, I have a handful of friends from high school that smoked cigarettes everyday. Most of them look older than my nonsmoking friends or acquaintances. All of us have different journeys and I honestly think that most women do not see the beauty in looking older. It is my hope and prayer that women become less superficial towards ourselves and others. We get plently of judment enough from the opposite sex. Be kind❤
Well said! We are our own worst critics, and I think everyone should do whatever works for them. If I was more brave, I would probably get my neck done. Besides being prone to the dreaded “turkey neck”, I think a substantial weight loss made it rear it’s ugly head earlier. I totally agree about our individual journeys contributing. I was a sun worshipper from my early teens, I lost my son, my husband, and my Mom within 4 years 2008-2012. But I never smoked, and have noticed the toll it takes as my Mom never smoked and didn’t care for the beach, and her younger sister did both...big difference. It all shows on our face. Thank you for the reminder ❤️
The thing about ageing that annoys me the most is when you're judged or ignored by younger people. They somehow conveniently fail to realise that THEY will also be your age one day if they're lucky. So you have 2 choices, either grow older or die.
I turned 50 this year! It’s just a number to me. I do not feel my age. I’m thankful that I’m strong, healthy, truly caring and loving. I’m blessed with two dynamic children, a wonderful husband of 25 years who still chases me around the house. Above all I know who my savior is! This is beautiful to me.
I totally agree with you. It tends to happen to women who - with age - tend to stop focusing so much on their looks and start working on the inside, as it were.
@@colettecrosbie4984: Yes! She had excellent comedic timing on 'Family Ties.' I remember a big director once said that it takes a very smart actress to 'play dumb.' I totally agree.
Aging for American women is not 'allowed'. This aging talk seems a bit different because Paulina and Justine are not your average woman. They were in the top tier of physical beauty. Thus, all the baggage that brought is more complicated than for the average-looking woman. Props to them, all the more!
Aging for the average woman is allowed! People without tons of money and resources DO age normally, take a look around. Women celebrities are not allowed to age because Hollywood demands young, hot, thin, pretty, because it’s ALL a double standard created by men. Secondly, American society fears aging and dying but fears becoming invisible and irreverent even more. An ALL about me society’s vanity transcends with aging, but this society doesn’t want to transcend!
Lisa DiConti ...that’s a really good question!!! I have seen this throughout my 58 years and it still mystifies me! 🤔. I actually look really fairly nice right now because of taking astragalus supplement again and taking better care of my liver too with milk thistle ( with dandelion) and have just started this last week experimenting with estrogen and progesterone creams... it’s made a huge quick difference with face ‘sag’ as I have a lot of face structure challenges of a recessed jaw due to bone reabsorption from tooth extractions as a child (and osteoporosis the last 20 or so years). But it is hardly noticeable if I can keep my skin ‘up’. I have been blessed genetically with a tendency for smooth skin anyway and my struggle is jowls and nasal lines, and neck. I really wish too I didn’t have to do anything but I feel I am a slave to continue as I can figure it out with no surgeries, as the alternative is strange lingering stares from children and huge dismissal from adults....ugh, the struggle is unrelenting for sure for so many of us! I saw a vid lately extolling the known visible benefits of moderate exercise for reversing and maintaining youthful appearance but have not done that as I hurt my ankles lately. I also find for myself that I gain more wisdom and knowledge as I remain as much as possible in peace and trust and better obedience with God so, that helps too!
I have so much gratitude for these women who are aging gracefully publicly. Most people we see in the media have achieved the look they have artificially, at the expense of their true beauty. At a certain point, they end up with the same bland fake look, which I am certain, weighs on their soul. We rarely get to see true aging beauty, so I value and appreciate what Paulina and Justine are doing.
Paulina and Justine, thank you! You are both stunning, right now. Recently, I treated myself to a facial with an esthetician that I hadn't seen in about 13 years. When she saw me she hugged me as she laughingly said "Oh Julie, you used to be so cute!" My face was 13 years older, but I had allowed my hair to grey, and she could not understand that. In Newport Beach CA, I find that either people love the grey, or see it as "letting myself go", or I am invisible. This interview is encouraging, enlightening, and elevating! Thank you Tamron!
Her book needs to have as many likes as this interview has. This is so important. THIS is women taking their power back and not being brainwashed by unrealistic standards by the beauty and fashion industry to get women to buy.
I quit dying my hair two years ago. I couldn’t handle the stress of getting it colored and seeing roots three days later! I got tired of fighting my hair. It’s been freeing to not color, but I have my days when I think, why am I doing this??? Lol!
….. you know what they say about there being a reason for everything. In the crazy hour of the morning I discover Justine Bateman. Going to buy the book. This ‘discovery’ has come at a pivotal time in my life when I’m feeling a little bit vulnerable as well as extremely grateful. Ageing is soooo complicated.
I am fifty- six and I think your great and keep going you give us hope and not throwing ourselves away. Not all women look perfect at 56, but self love is important and taking care of our mental health and more.
@@janetsavona7590 Among many things the CHINESE say you can JUDGE a SOCIETY by the way you TREAT the OLD & YOUNG. In America throw them into DAY CARE & NURSING HOMES..Case Closed. BTW, I'm the Caregiver for a WORLD WAR 2 Vet in Valley Forge.
My 25 year old son had an excellent response to something I said which was, "I've lost my youth". He replied with, "You've haven't LOST your youth, your LIVED your youth". Signs of aging started for me 1 year ago at age 53 (profile pic I was 48 so not wrinkled yet). Menopause hit. Jowls are present as is everything else that I don't need to spell out. I am not a celebrity nor do I possess features considered attractive for today's standard of beauty (wide set almond shaped eyes, upturned slim nose, full mouth, slim jaw, long neck, etc) and I find myself struggling with feeling good about how I look and participate less in having photos taken of me. I need to go full circle regarding what my son said because it helps so much! Older people do become invisible but we had our glory in our younger days need to realize we all transition into old age and the things that go along with it. It's not a bad thing. However, within our own age group we are NOT invisible and are accepted. It feels good! Regarding Justine, part of the reason she may look a wee bit older than she is is due to choosing the wrong hair colour (If she let it go grey she'd look better as it would match her skin tone better) and use of heavy dark eyeliner. If her hair was to her shoulders it would lift her up too but some women have to hold on to their length (I cut mine off---hair grows back!). In addition, she doesn't have a lot of body fat which makes the skin appear 'thinner' adding a few years on (or her skin is just thinning at a faster rate). But in the end who cares? It's who we are as people that matter a lot more than the shell we were born with. When someone who is older is fun to be around, I am not focusing on their weathered or aging features (if they have them).
I don't know about you, girls, but now at 45 I feel more beautiful and empowered then ever before, because I don't feel the pressure to look perfect,I just want to be happy and enjoy my life. I have been through so much ,I don't want the pressure of looking the certain way. I can not and I will not compete with 20 year olds. It's pure nonsense! Also, I am not on men's radar that much anymore, there are younger women who attract their attention,so,to be honest it takes off a lot of pressure. 🤣😂😂😂 If you focuse on being attractive to men you will suffer, if you focus on enjoying life you will be much happier.
Yeah! Exactly I wouldn't go backwards not even one year. I embrace the wisdom that beauty is not something I even think about, and it feels so beautiful in my soul to not care one iota what aging does to me
Ooohhhh.... a new book from Justine. I love how she’s embracing her journey and not buying into the Hollywood stereotype of surgical intervention. These ladies will end up more beautiful compared to the puffed up weirdos in Hollywood
I found Paulina's comment about husbands seeing their wives as "coffee tables " interesting since her husband has looked like a 65 year old man since the 80's. LOL
I'm 68 yrs old and I never felt old based on my looks until a few years ago when I was going through several medical challenges and depression. I looked in the mirror one day and was surprised to noticed how much my face had changed. Since that day I have become aware that my "ageing" is directly related to my physical and emotional health. Also, others' opinion of my looks has decreased in importance as I've grown older.
I started to notice this happening in my late 40s as well. I guess because I never had a career that was solely focussed on my looks, I actually found it to be a relief to no longer be the objective of lust by every man I walked by. For the first time I felt free to do as I please without as much scrutiny. Embrace it Paulina. You’re finally free
I am with Paulina and Justine!I think embracing reality is so beautiful and empowering.You both are so inspiring. Thankyou! I am over 50 and plan to age naturally and gracefully. I love my grey hair, age/sun spots, character lines. I celebrate with both of you every day!
I love Justine Bateman! An aspect of aging gracefully is the fact that you are still alive and that’s exciting. Paulina and Justine are as gorgeous now as they’ve always been.
Im 56 and stopped coloring my hair a cpl yrs ago. I dont wear make up anymore. Ive even stopped wearing bras. I feel sexier than i ever have in my life.
I live in Georgia. I live a very comfortable life at a very young 74. The problem for me is finding a woman that cares for me and not for what I can give them. I would walk to Manitoba for a woman like Paulina. Everyone needs to be wanted, appreciated, and loved. The rest is just window dressing.
Paulina hit the nail on the head when she said you become invisible. I will never understand it and, quite frankly, it bothers me. Who wants to be invisible, especially when you spend time putting yourself together? If you were once considered attractive, it's a harder pill to swallow. I can understand why so many women just stop trying. I'm an absolute ghost to men and younger people but I still prefer to look good for myself. I'm fit and in my 40s and society just has no place for women like me, even if I look younger than my age. Something is not right here. Kudos to both of these women for speaking some truth. We need a movement.
I don’t care if I am invisible to others now. Others perception of my appearance, which is constantly changing due to moving through time does not determine who I am .
It is harder for us who were always beauties. Hate to say it , but when you are pretty and always admired, complimented , envied and your looks have provided so many advantages and opened doors. When your looks are slowly fading as mine are at 56 it really hurts. It's been my identity for so long. I am still considered good looking "for my age" but am starting to notice becoming invisible to younger people and not every ones head turn when I walk into a room. I am intelligent and witty but my looks were my identity. They probably wouldn't have been if it wasn't for others reactions all these years. At jobs co workers would assume I was dumb for how I looked but within about a month they learned I had brains too. In some ways it's freeing and I don't care as much. I will wear the right shoes for comfort now instead of fashion etc but it is losing a big part of who you are or were always perceived. Aging does suck not to mention arthritis kicking in but I do try to still look as nice as I can with tasteful make up and clothes at least just to please myself. I feel good when I look good. I am not trying to sound conceited. Just writing is helping me come to grips with this new stage of my life plus my kids grown and empty nest.
@@lisascorp hey I understand what you are saying here as I was the same,,I’m F 60 now,, My advice is to celebrate the time period of your youth and accept that you had Your turn ,,,,,it’s not our turn anymore,,,,,,it’s just the way the things are,,,,,life goes on,,so, find other things to find a purpose ,,,self worth shouldn’t be determined by our external package,,,,,time to reinvent yourself,,,
I'm a fan of Justine and loved her work on Family Ties and the movie Satisfaction! I love how Justine is encouraging women to love themselves just as they are and to embrace your beauty as you age.
These were 2 of my favorite women growing up, and I like them even more now. Malorie Keaton was the best on Family Ties, back when TV shows were actually entertaining and not politically motivated. I love them for embracing their age, as we all should! Be grateful for each day we're alive. Gratitude is where true beauty lies.
I loved her explanation of being invisible. Being invisible and feeling insignificant is rather depressing. I wish our society honored age. I enjoyed this interview.
I remember running into a female co-worker I use to work at, at the grocery store. She was apologising for not having any make-up on, that she didn't have the time to put any on, cause she was in a hurry, I was confuse by that, cause she was as beautiful as I remembered. I was just so glad to run into her with or without any make-up.
It's not just America, it's all over the world. One time I woke up and suddenly people stopped noticing me. When I shop or interact, everyone is still nice but cold and distant. It was weird it still is. After some age, if you are a woman, people really stop thinking of you as someone worth even a smile or a smalltalk. It may be this culture that women are objects of beauty, decorations, that looks and sexuality are our "empowerment" and without that, we are nothing. As I am pushing 50 I am coming in terms with the fact that I am aging, and I will never look like I looked when I was 35 again. But well, it's not all that I am. After certain age, if you have nothing else to show or to be proud of except how still sexy and youthful you are, then you might have a problem.
I've heard this referred to as the "invisible cloak of menopause", and I think (at least from my own experience @ 54), it's true. For me, it was actually a relief - I am okay-looking, not beautiful (I am athletic and slim, though) but that didn't stop dudes from hitting on me at the gym, in bookstores, etc., and I really couldn't stand it. I've never defined my happiness, worth or value through the lens of whether men find me attractive, so I'm glad they've stopped bothering me. I'm not sure I've noticed being ignored by shop owners or not...I don't think so, but I could be and just not aware of it. I'd be lying if I said I am loving the physical aging process: crepe-y skin, a sagging seat, and deepening creases on my face kind of suck, but it's better than the alternative 🤷🏻♀️. My biggest issue now is trying to get a job, and I suspect my age is a negative for at least some of the jobs I've applied for. I don't look (or act, whatever that actually means 😂) my age, and I do things that most middle-aged women don't do...like 40-70 mile solo backpacking trips. I've prided myself on being an outlier in many ways throughout my life, and I don't see that changing until I'm dead 👍🏻 😄.
It's true!! The smiles & acknowledgement I used to get as a younger women when I spoke or commented are now just met with confused looks of " huh?" I didn't notice til my hubs died a couple of yrs ago bc we were always together. It's really weird- ( I'm a Southerner & usually am a talker)
@@sonyaj66 I am mostly concerned with health issues that suddenly started to appear and increasing with age. It's alarming how hard is for me now to get out of bed when I wake up. And I work out regularly. Even that is not easy, I got muscle pains easier, get hurt, once I dislocated my knee while getting up from sitting position, literally. Getting no looks from people is not that of vanity but more like I have to yell "hey, I am here!" to be noticed anywhere. I have a trick now, I don't raise my voice just quietly with a smile say "could you please, pay attention to me too".
@@lauragwillim1055 🙄. I'm not surprised. I do know that women of all ages got disproportionally screwed during the pandemic, job-wise, for a variety of reasons. It's definitely harder to maintain relevance in a society that worships youth...but also seems to overlook the associated immaturity and lack of experience that goes along with it.
Enjoy every age you are . I hate when you ask someone how old they are and they cant just say the age they act likes its bad being over 40 . embrace it be proud
Paulina was so articulate when it came to aging and these women are such role models....kudos to them. I have embraced my grey and it has kick started my acceptance of aging!
I completely agree with Justine. There are some woman that I think actually look better as they've aged. For me, it's something about the the loss of the fat and collagen in their cheeks that gives their cheek bones a more defined and sculpted look. Too many fillers or an extreme face-lift often takes away from that.
@@mikamamma maybe she likes that look. I’m of the “you do you” mindset, so I say if it makes her happy no big deal. It doesn’t mean she doesn’t love her natural face - it may be her idea of enhancing it.
I am nearly 63. Living my best life. Healthy, professional. Hang ups and worries are so much easier to deal with as you get older. Confidence and self assurance really come with age for me at least
Paulina is my hero!! I’m 52 now and I too are trying to embrace the beauty in the changes I’m going through and doing it all naturally. I completely understand what she means about feeling invisible at times . But I’m married so that part isn’t an issue to much. I’m still very important to my family and friends. And I wouldn’t give up the wealth and knowledge I have now for my youth .. I love the the woman I am inside right now. And I am learning how to let that show on the outside. It takes more courage to do what Paulina , and Justine are doing to encourage us all , then it does to go under the knife or get work done.
For me, the term "aging gracefully" means that we are happy and content with who we are, and we're not trying to look like our daughters or granddaughters in either our choice of make-up or clothing. We are comfortable in our own skin, confident with the person we are becoming, and most of all, THANKFUL that we are blessed with growing older - as opposed to dying young and beautiful. Beauty is absolutely more about the woman we are inside, rather than our outward and worldly appearance. Just tryin' to keep it real ladies!
Funny, some say Justine looks old, others say she's beautiful - and so overwhelming message is "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" (including You and your thoughts about yourself)
I've never been bothered by aging. I used to be a hairdresser and I recall how many women were so fixated on their looks and never happy. There are some things I had wondered about in terms of plastic surgery but the desire was never strong enough to pursue it. I've seen a couple of people who are horribly disfigured from an accident or burns and they have to face the world like this. I realized I had no right to complain about anything. Be happy with what you have:)
I really want to read Justines books! Both she and Paulina are so inspiring in their intelligence, candor, and willingness to be authentic. They are truly beautiful side and out🥰💪🏼
Now that I'm 60 years old, I'm grateful that the love of my life (who is 59), told me that although he's aware most men may find younger women more attractive, he himself is viscerally attracted to me in part *because* I'm close to his age. He actually said "Why bother wasting money to make yourself look younger?" So I asked him if he thinks people shouldn't do anything at all to improve their appearance, and he said he thinks we should just try to stay in the best shape we can, and continue to do the same things we did when we *were* younger to look as good as we could, like eating right, exercising, hair styling, etc.
I’m pale as anything and have to be careful in the sun. I look younger than almost 50. I think melanin protects you from the suns effects. If I was olive skinned I would’ve tanned like crazy haha
If they take care of themselves I see alot of B women who looked stressed worn out an body not in the best of shape which ages you so yes it's true B women age way slower ..sadly many have alot of other things going on that age's them
Paulina's beauty in youth was extraordinary. I never heard Sophia Loren or Elizabeth Taylor complain and complain about the world seeing them differently. They were beautiful every decade and so is Paulina. She's got a lot of emotional and financial issues that is affecting her deeply. She's got her health and family and is rid of that skank of a husband. New life Paulina, work on the depression.
Yeah Elizabeth just drank and ate herself to death...no problems there whatsoever! We don’t know what others think other than what they tell us abs what they are sharing here is valuable stuff FOR WOMEN. Men. Listen.
Sophia and Elizabeth had talent and won Academy Awards for it so were known for more than their beauty. Models are hired for their appearance. Full stop. When that goes, if they haven't developed a personality or another business like Elle MacPherson or Christie Brinkley, they don't know what to do with themselves.
@@ApplePie.. Are you saying Paulina is an attention grabbing mouthpiece! Shame on you. She has been through a lot and she is helping women accept aging naturally. I love her.
By societies standards my grandmother wasn't an attractive woman and probably didn't turn many men's heads in her life. But to me, she was more beautiful than any super model. She was the only unconditional love that I have ever experienced in my life. I loved her wrinkled hands and face and the kindness of her soul. No man has ever even remotely given me that kind of love. We're looking in the wrong place for acceptance and love. Give it to yourself and the precious babies. If someone can't look past some wrinkles and see your soul then thank them for showing you who they are and move on.
I agree. Inner beauty is highly valued. A kind tender hearted person is better than outer beauty.
What a wonderful tribute to your grandmother I am a grandmother myself who has a very close and loving relationship with my granddaughter. Love from Scotland xx
@@jemimabrown5041 Thank you Jemma. Your granddaughter is so very lucky to have your love and guidance in her life. I treated my grandmother like a queen and I'll bet your granddaughter does the same for you. 💜
Reading this warmed my soul. You’re really lucky to have had a grandmother like yours!
@@LiterateAphrodisiac Thank you. I was very lucky. If everyone had someone like her in their life, there would be no need for the psychiatric system. We are really missing out on the wisdom, kindness, patience and comfort that the elderly have to offer. I love old people!!
I was starting to feel unattractive and was thinking about plastic surgery. Then I read an interview with Justine Bateman last week.
I realize I’m fine the way I am. I don’t need anyone else’s approval of me. I only need my own. These ladies are truly inspirational!
Same
Now take a great vacation instead!
Why would anybody, woman or man, want to get plastic surgery just to look like you have a duckbill for a mouth and have stretched out eyes? To me getting botox or surgery is admitting you dont like yourself, and if you don't why should anyone else?
If you going to have plastic surgery do it for yourself not for ppl. You have to live with it not ppl.
don't do plastic surgery out of insecurity-because it never ends
I'll be 74 this year - gray hair, wrinkles, age spots, crepey skin and and all. Don't care what anyone thinks. I have no worries, am happy, very healthy, have friends and living my best life. That's all that counts for me.
Good on you
You sound amazing, and I'm sure you look good. However, Justine Bateman looks 20 years older than she is, and we're supposed to applaud her for having pre-mature wrinkles? Gimme a break.
People act like aging is a choice. Nobody chooses to age in a particular way. Some people get more wrinkles than others. To me inner peace is more important than anything else. If you have that inner peace/ acceptance of yourself/ joy, what others think of you doesn’t really matter.
Amen sister
@@Nepthu Not premature wrinkles. Wrinkles are genetic and her wrinkles are age appropriate for her genetics. People are prone to wrinkles or grey hair or...at different times due to genetics, skin colour, level of moisture and collagen, lifestyle...We're not celebrating, we're accepting everyone ages at their own pace and it's not something to be ashamed of.
I'm 57 and I am no longer cute. Once I realized that no one was looking at me anyway I felt very free.
Yes! I'm with you on that 💜
I feel ya. I can pump gas now without being accosted or harassed by men. I mean i miss my looks some but I'm not harassed anymore. To me, that's very freeing.
I can honestly say I don't miss that period in my life. I was plenty cute and mostly hated the male attention, though I can say that being pretty certainly has its advantages. Now at 55, I'm fine with others taking my place on that "stage of youth." And someday, those others will be replaced by others. It's the way it goes.
I'm the total opposite: I miss being cute! I still love being cute! Maybe because I love attention and very insecure.
@@missj2813 I think it is normal to enjoy being cute :) There is much we can do to stay that way. You might check out the Peaches Skin Care channel here, lots of great tips for older femmes!
When a woman in her 80s, sitting in her wheel chair, smiled at me when I was fifty and said "Oh youth" she taught more then she could have known. I wear my silver hair proudly, have done so for years.
This is so heartwarming ❤️
What we as ageing women can pass on to others is awesome. Bless this octogenarian who saw you as a girl at 50 ;) So much about perception. We lose so many years worrying about things that shouldn’t matter
50 is still relatively old compared to 20
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@@AC-mp7cx 20 is still relatively old compared to 10, 5 or 2
I'm almost 65 years old and I'm grateful to God for each day He allows me to live.
I'm a mother of adult daughters and a grandmother to four sweet wonderful grandchildren.
Getting older doesn't bother me it's a gift not a curse.
Tha k you thats how I feel also.
Absolutely. What is the alternative?! Death
God bless you and your family. And you are beautiful too!
I feel the same way. I’m 61 and love being a grandmother and this stage of my life. It took a long time to get here 😉
@@marip2782 I'm 60 and I laughed when I read how you said it took a long time to get here. That's so true. Looking back it seems like some things were a lifetime ago.
Jamie Curtis said this and did this for years, I’m so glad women are waking up to living an authentic life, not to please anyone❤️
Unfortunately this generation are too concerned about looks and likes etc and are willing to go through hoops, surgeries and filling their face and body full of poison etc to appreciate that not everyone gets the opportunity to grow older.
Agree ♥️
Yes I do agree people are caught up with looks , it’s a shame they just don’t feel the freedom and happiness of just being .
The Kardashians have a BIG part in this. Starting from mom Chris 65 to Kyle at 18 and all of the other ones in between. Oh yea I forgot Caitlyn. All that work and they still dont like how they look because they keep getting work done. They look fake. The younger you start doing that to your face the younger you have to keep getting work done. Its not a good message to their kids but who cares about them and their kids, they will never be happy. None of them cant even hold on to their man.
Yes, I do remember Jamie Curtis saying and acting on this and finding that so refreshing and helpful. Justine and Paulina's words and actions are equally helpful . They nailed it. ✅
She's still more gorgeous than all blow up dolls Kardashians combined.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
No point of comparison, Paulina is a real beauty, not a marketing clone.
100%
Yup 👍🏼
Now they are going to be in a quandry in a few years, because they will be having work on top of work.................. and we all know how un human like that can get.
Aging is a privilege denied to many. I lost my mother when I was 12 and she was 42 and my sister passed 10 days ago at 60. Love the skin you're in. I'm 57, stopped dyeing my hair in the last year. So freeing. Love these beautiful ladies!
I’m so sorry for your losses.
@@IgnacioCheese Very kind of you to say...I see you're a bird lover. 🐦
there is nothing good with aging. kindness of soul is something that need to be celebrated.
I don’t want to age gracefully. I want to age gratefully 🙂🌷
Beautifully said!!
They’re not mutually exclusive. You can do both.
Basically, you just want to age (stay alive). hehehe Good idea! I wish good things for you.
Like that!
Yes! So true Eleonora! 🙂
I'm 55, I'm wrinkled, I'm wise, and I'm owning it! These ladies are so refreshing...We'll never have full equality until we, as women, quit apologizing for and trying to stop the aging process.
Aging already proves everyone is equal. Women have equality but since it's not all cupcakes and roses, they can't believe it.
You have no clue what equality actually is. You do not have equality now - you have superiority. You are just to blind to see it, and too feeble to use it. If you were actually treated as equal, you would hate it. Look up "Norah Vincent" and see what happened to her.
p.s. The next time you want equality, try designing an electric substation. OR climb into a bucket truck on a cold snowy Christmas Eve, and maneuver your yourself and the bucket into the energized lines to make repairs and restore power to the neighborhood. If that isn't good enough, then get in a backhoe and open a muddy hole on a sweltering windy day. Dig 8 feet deep to expose the sewer line and patch the hole in it.
Pffft! "equality". You THINK you want it. You really don't.
Nobody really cares about old men, nor old women. There is no apology needed. The problem is when women are young have power with their appearance, and when older they lose it and they feel there is something wrong.
Being addicted to attention it is the problem. Old grannies didn't have that problem, because they themselves were not expecting to attract people at that age, today it is what causes frustration, not to attract sexually (because old ladies like Queen Elisabeth look beautiful, but not attractive Tinder-wise)
@@cristianproust
elizabeth was a bloodthirsty butcher..so many black folks died because of her. but everyone only remembers the guy with the funny mustache from germany.....perhaps because his victims were white.
I'm 70, time and gravity have left their mark, but I'm still alive and wear it proudly!
Don't be upset about growing old. Be thankful if you get to, cause not everyone does.
Exactly. Well said.
Oh this is major truth
My mom died at 49. I’m now 47. She would have loved to age.
@@Leeta ♥
Exactly I feel very selfish complaining about aging when I’m lucky to be alive !
When I stopped dyeing my hair red (my natural colour) and let it turn white, I got really mixed reactions.
Some were even cruel.
Made me even more determined to just let it happen. 🔥👌
I am hoping that this expectation that every woman is going to color her hair for decades will be overcome soon ..... Most men ( who are not in Hollywood ) do not color their hair ..... they just accept the grey and often the loss of their hair. Women are being sold a bill of goods ..... My hair, now that I no longer color it, shows no sign of the natural color it was when I was in high school and college. I am fascinated every time I look in the mirror and see " 50 shades of grey ".
women like you are very inspiring to me........................ I am 48 and plan to allow my hair to turn silver thanks to brave and courageous women who have been teaching us not to let society force us to pretend to be younger than we truly are.
True.
After colouring my hair for 35 pus years, I stopped colouring in March 2020. It was a challenge but now fully transitioned with my grey hair, my only regret is that I should have done it earlier. Funny how I get compliments on the colour now when I never did when I was colouring. My hair has never been so healthy, soft, shiny and thicker!!
This is so true!!!! At age 58 I decided to stop coloring my hair. It's not easy. Not fair that grey hair on men is just different....and looks good. I now notice women's hair even more now!
She is not doing it for attention, she did it because she has a beautiful body, face and personality. God Bless her. She is adorable.
She is doing for attention she's been complaining how men don't look at her anymore so this is all attention
@@pimphandstrong6620 Correct. This whole comment section is one long 'cope'....after years of 'yaaaaay, gurrrl power.....yasss queen, slaayyyy', now they're all like 'waaah, why won't men invest in my half century old pu$$y'. (Cries herself to sleep with a half bucket of ice -cream and ten cats under her wrinkly arms) Welcome to the end results of the 1960's sexual revolution, ladies. Condolences.
I think it's a bid for attention. Women (and men) should be modest. Every lady I see in the media and on the street is walking around half naked. It's disconcerting. I hope God brings her a good husband and she can strip down for him.
Tamron says, "I actually happed to have a mom that is 71 and looks like she is 40, I hope I have some of that DNA going on" That is in its self the problem. Right there is what we are told to crave and hope for. I think what Paulina and Justine are talking about is not having the thoughts of wanting to look 40 at 71. It's about accepting and celebrating that we look 51, 61, 71 and trying to change the way we are taught to think.
Agreed. In that remark she actually demonstrated that she DOES fear aging, and is hoping she can look as young as possible for as long as possible.
Exactly I thought the same😂😂 You can even see the expressions on Paulina and Justine ‘s faces … LOL!
Yes, exactly!
I cringed in a “oh my god! She’s just said the exact opposite desire of what the guests are speaking to!! Eeeeeeeeek Yes Justine’s face was “ohh dear… “
I thought this as well tamron totally missed the point of her own interview.
They're not only physically beautiful but the wisdom they share is beautiful.
I think they are physically beautiful.
Oh no ya missed the entire point
Whaaaaaaat? Jesus Christ.
@@lauras627 yep... 🙄 amazing isn’t it???
They're not young but they are very Beautiful.
Justine Bateman is one of those rarities that can walk into a room and you notice her power before her beauty.
Life goals ❣❣
She used to be cute. Now she looks rather aged.
@@biancahotca3244 yes. It is sad. She hit the wall hard.
I dont understand this obsession these women have with denying reality and insisting we find old women as attractive or desirable as younger women. They just aren't and that's just the reality. Youth in general, whether it is men or women, is celebrated and is objectively more attractive.
Everyone ages and it sucks. But that's part of life and if the current Western culture wasnt as individualistic and obsessed with youth, sex and appearance, older people and especially women would find other roles in society to derive purpose from. For women especially, it is difficult for them to accept aging as they get so many advantages in life and have a lot of sexual power simply for being a young, relatively attractive woman and it's difficult for them to lose those privileges they took for granted when they were hot and young. Eastern cultures and families have great respect for elders and dont discard them or ship them to homes to die alone like Western culture and families do and women embrace the roles of wise elders and grandmothers when they get older.. instead of still being desperate for attention like Paulina and posting pics of her in lingerie online. Yes, she still has a great body.. but there is something undignified about a 55 y/o woman doing that.
so you admit you notice beauty first
@@AC-mp7cx everyone who isnt blind does.
because of the speed of light.
you normally see someone before you even hear them. and your brain processes the light before sound even reaches your ears.
So true! And it happens to us guys, too. I remember when I hit my late 40s noticing the disappearance of the "tension" Paulina was talking about. As soon as I let my beard go grey, in fact, I noticed how differently I was reacted to in the public sphere. I love that she and Justine are bringing this to the forefront.
I don’t care what people say about Paulina ....she is absolutely
one of the most beautiful women in the world..inside and out !!!! I hear you Paulina !!! xoxox
I'm proud of justine Bateman. She came to grips with the natural part of life. She's in the Spot light and love how she's making these ideas
and embracing everyday. Thanks .💌
I’m proud to tell my age to anyone. When you’ve lost both a cousin at age 26 and your son’s friend at age 16 to cancer, suddenly complaining about aging seems so shallow and self centered. Life is so precious and each year that brings new wrinkles is a blessing. I actually look forward to aging. It’s a badge of honor and each wrinkle tells a story. You truly do gain wisdom. I look at life so differently in my middle age. I realize that I wasted so much of my youth on petty things that you could never really realize that they were actually petty until you grow with age and gain that priceless wisdom. It saddens me when I see a young person or child die. They’ll never understand life in the beautiful way that an elderly individual does. Life’s lessons unlearned and many missed opportunities to mold yourself into a better individual through trial and error. Missed opportunities to experience things and to teach the younger generations what you’ve learned. It’s just so sad.
The older I get, the more I’m in aww of those that have lived to be 80 or 90 plus years old. To understand all the things I’ve already lived through, and then realize that I would have to live my entire life of over 4 decades over again, plus 7 years just to live to my Nanas age of 93, really just blows my mind! I totally appreciate the elderly even more! I can only imagine their perspective and the things they’ve seen and been through. That’s why I love talking to people that are older. I can only hope that it’s in Gods plan that I will be so lucky to see myself look so old. It’s absolutely beautiful and a true gift from God!
I'm a woman in my 30s. You know what grabs my attention the most about older women? When they wear their grey hair like a crown. OMG. It's so beautiful! I definitely will do that as I age.
I think that’s wonderful! I, on the other hand, will probably color my hair until the day I die, but I think everybody should do and be who and what works best for them. I think all women are beautiful in their own unique ways, and we should embrace, uplift, and celebrate each other! 😍
I started graying at 15 and by the age of 30 I was mostly white. Now at 54 I'm all platinum. Ive always had a positive reaction from others about my white hair and i see more women now with grey hair then i did when i was young. Grey hair is not a sign of being old...its a sign of being true to yourself. 😉
I embrace my gray like 4 years ago and I stopped coloring my hair... Im only 46 and i think it looks pretty...
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Well, I’m 56 with thick, lustrous, dark brown hair; and I have some greys at the roots that stick out like sore thumbs. If I let them go, I wouldn’t be anywhere close to completely grey - I’d just look like hell, and yes, I would look much older. So my choices would be: look terrible with the grey, get my entire head of hair dyed grey because of other peoples’ opinions, get highlights all over, or color my roots to cover the few grey hairs I do have; which is by far the easiest of the decent looking options. I respect other women’s choices to do what they feel is best with their hair, and I feel that they should also respect mine. I AM being true to myself, just as you’re being true to yourself. To say otherwise is rather insulting; but I’m going to continue being true to myself, not to the opinions and judgements of others.
@@smilingontime
I’m sure it’s beautiful !
Paulina is getting older but she still has that incredible bone structure and beautiful supermodel body.
I think she’s absolutely gorgeous!
Everyone is getting older.
She has a perfectly flat stomach and no fat or cellulite. I can’t believe how much weight I have gained especially in my stomach area plus I’m dealing with an enlarged uterus and Fibroids which makes me look pregnant and I feel so badly about my appearance compared to how thin and fit I used to be. I have had chronic pain since 40 and it’s really affected everything. I would be so happy to not hurt everyday and to actually be able to exercise like I used to to look and feel better. It’s a vicious cycle.
@@lisaeischens2352 look up Dr Berg. Intermittent fasting may help, and cutting out certain foods has done wonders with cutting out pain, for me. I have auto immune issues. I feel like life is beginning again for me!
@@lisaeischens2352
For those that suffer from what you describe there is no diet, and no exercise, that will budge the fat sometimes.
I was fit my whole life. A professional dancer, and actress, for years. When I retired from showbusiness I was certified and teaching yoga full time. In my early 40's I was diagnosed with very large uterine fibroids. The doctor said there was no surgery needed; menopause would shrink them. I was still a size 3/4 at age 44, then menooause hit me square in the face at 45. What has transpired since has been out of my control. I describe it as an alien took over my body. Hypothyroidism, severe adrenal fatigue, hormones out of control...no amount of rest, or medicine, or dieting, or exercise, or gluten free, sugar free, organic, raw, etc. has changed a thing. I am the heaviest I have ever been, a size 16, and accepting myself better and better each day.
It sure is eye opening to be heavy-set though. The amount of fat shamers out there is undeniable. Personally, I am loving the fact that a lot of companies are catering to sizes XL and up more readily now.
I hope you find a way to love yourself whether heavy or thin.
Truthfully, there's a lot worse you could be in this world besides 'fat.
Best wishes your way for good health. 🌿🕊💕🌎
Aging sucks and most women are struggling with their looks. It’s good to be grateful that no matter what you look like, you’re still alive.
Getting old is not for sissies!! But it beats the alternative.
@Michaelle Mcgill EXACTLY 🥰
I’m almost 53. I used to be beautiful. It was a wonderful gift to be beautiful. But, now I’m aging. All of this deep thinking about women getting older...listen... it’s about standing up for yourself, finding out who you are without your ego, and the need for ppl to fawn over you. If ppl want to treat me like an old Crone, spinstered schoolmarm that is their own issue, and it has nothing to do with me. Mostly it’s been society, and media who’s made ppl disrespect their elders anyway. You just HAVE to like yourself and not be worried how ppl see you. I’m still the same woman I was at 21. I just walked through more hurdles and became illuminated. Respect your path! Aging means you survived!
You look great in your profile pic, and I agree with you! You don't need people to fawn over you. It's what's inside that counts, and as a man, few things are as attractive and beautiful to me as a woman with a caring heart.
I’m sure you’re still beautiful!
Um you're still beautiful
You're still beautiful from where I'm sitting.
Beautifully said
Love that these women are talking about this. Changing the double standard of Aging. I’m 56 and have felt the pressures to get ‘work done’ but honestly want to just love myself as I’m naturally changing.
if you were beautiful 20 years ago you are still beautiful.
What double standard?
I don't need to be the prettiest woman in the room, I want to be the most interesting. ♥
And then watch everyone flock to the prettiest
@@happyhorse1028 Another benefit of aging - and we don't really care.
@@sally8234 likewise
Exactly, because you know what? Interesting IS beautiful and skin is very thin. Women can beautiful at ANY age, because it comes from your soul! I saw a pic of a woman the other day who was in her late 90's and she was absolutely beautiful! I think that is why so many young men are intrigued by older women! Number ONE, you have to care about yourself and put your best foot forward, especially when you leave the house. That may sound shallow, but it's the truth. Every day, I see women who look like they just rolled out of bed, messy hair, no makeup and sloppy clothes! If you're married, do it for your husband!
@@lindahandley5267 do it for yourself.
Justine Bateman seems like a woman who knows what she wants and has confidence to say things that others have said before but it is always nice to hear it from someone of your own generation
Growing up I believed my looks were very important, it was my currency thru life. My worth was in my looks until I got older but not because I was aging, I wanted to feel better not feel wanted because the men I attracted only wanted what they saw, not who I was. Decades later and with a lot of internal work, I now have the self-worth I wish I would’ve had when I was younger. I would’ve put myself first over the approval of men and the competition of other women.
Love what you said 🧡
Brilliant 💯✔✡
Preach!!!!!!
Healthy relationships are a key to happiness and contentment not looks or body.
If you don't like the way I look, while I'm aging. Don't look I don't care what anybody thinks. I would never get my face cut on or anything to impress somebody else. I've earned every wrinkle and they're staying where they are ! I think both these ladies are gorgeous. They look the same to me. I'm glad to see their face still moving. As it should. You get criticized if you do facelifts or whatever and you get criticized if you don't. Everybody start loving the person instead of judging.
This is exactly the work that I do with my clients!! When you feel triggered by someone’s actions towards or against you, instead of reacting out of that emotional space with anger, rage, fear, etc. you go inward and ask yourself the question, “what does this action tell me about myself” and “why do I believe it”? This level of awareness is the key to healing and moving forward into a space where those actions no longer trigger you. Wow!! So glad to hear about others doing this transformational healing work!! Yay!!!🦋
Are you taking new clients? Via zoom? I'm not joking.
that is helfpful
@@marymoore3625 what
@@AC-mp7cx I am sorry! That was meant for a different thread.
Does anyone remember when Catherine Deneuve was doing ads for some company (I think it was Lancome?) and they airbrushed her too much and she fought against it? She said something along the lines of "I'm not in my twenties I shouldn't look like I am". Thank you and you have always looked amazing!
Love her!
That was Isabella Rossellini, I believe. Deneuve has had extensive work done.
Okay my bad you're right. It's been a while but I remembered someone being awesome.
@@dorothysay8327 correct. However Catherine Deneuve was credited for saying “There comes a time when a woman has to decide between her face and her figure”. Such a shame she contradicted herself by having so much work done...
@@bonniesimpson1636 Catherine said that there comes a time where a woman must choose either her butt or her face. That to keep your face looking younger you needed to carry a few extra pounds and yes, your butt will get bigger if you do. Now that was before everyone was obese and she is French so she wasn't talking an AMERICAN "few extra pounds" but cubby girls do look younger longer. The FAT fills out the loose skin/wrinkles! X)
I don't think Paulina could ever be invisible.
She's beautiful.
Well maybe she feels invisible compared to where she was?
That was a little commentary on the late Ric Okasek. More about him than her ;)
The higher one is exalted to, the worse they kick you down when you fall below "their" standards. I know we all think she is still incredibly beautiful, & that BODY!!! But I totally understand where she is coming from. I love her heart & spirit, she's a REAL woman. And her JERK Ex-husband NEVER deserved her! I saw an interview with her shortly after the break-up, & he just treated her like total sh*t! & Devastated her.
@@RenePeraza
He was a total D*CK & POS to her! She dedicated her life to him, and what he did to her at the end, (and probably during the long marriage) was Dispicable! May he rest in Hell!
I LOVE Justine's suggestion to take even five minutes a day and say, "Eh! I look pretty good!" and then see what irrational fears arise that you can expose and crumble! This is a really therapeutic approach to so many things. And Paulina offers some great wisdom and inspiration as well! I really love this discussion and wish there were more of these. (I wish we could have discussion groups around aging and the struggles we face along the way like we have book clubs. Seriously!)
Exactly - Agree. Especially for the woman who was once "Gorgeous" and has a hard time accepting her blessing - a support group of encouraging folks would be ideal !!
The most fascinating woman I have ever talked to was 88 years old.
I became best friends with a 92 year old patient, until her death years later, who had been a war bride from Germany. Such a fascinating life❤️
Great topic, as a 60 year old gay guy you’re invisible in WeHo at 40. It’s punishing, the oppression of youth worship. Put yourself at the table and offer it up to the Magick Man. The thing is that in other cultures women, and men, don’t gets so wigged out by their aging faces when they have dignified roles and activities and relationships that matter much to them such that the loss of beauty can be tolerated, because they live with so much more than that. Getting that ego hit of catching someone’s eye is so cheap and it’s not sustaining, and in America we live off of it, and it’s crap. One of the saddest things about Covid was all the grandmas and grandpas that died in Italy. They lived with their children and grandchildren and they help with the caretaking and with making the meals and with playing with the children or telling them stories.it was a terrific loss to the family because they were the heart of the family. But the Italians cherish their elderly by and large. And many other cultures do as well, and those people as they get older, just aren’t so obsessed with getting older One of the most gorgeous Italian actresses of her time, Sophia Loren, I think she had a good perspective on aging because she had children to focus on and family was important to her and I think she really aged well. I don’t know if she had any cosmetic surgery but I honestly don’t think she was obsessed with staying young looking. You got to know when to move into the next stage of your life with grace so that you’re not embarrassingly overstaying you’re welcome in an earlier decade you are no longer a part of. a most uncomfortable age, I think, is like your second adolescence, 45-60 aka “midlife crisis.” The slow, final death of anyThing resembling youth and beauty lol. That’s when people really get into the creams and the injections, maybe they go under the knife, the hair color, and then you wake up and just go “0Fxxx this is just not going to work anymore” let go, and focus on something more important, like getting involved with other people, Family or community, Art, garden, whatever floats your boat.. it doesn’t have to be pretty it just can be meaningful, and then it’s beautiful.Like my coworker, an aging nurse used to tell me (and she kept her hair a lovely shock of white), “getting old ain’t for sissies!” LOL I love that. When I also disclosed to her that I was going to resign my job because I really didn’t like the town I moved into and I needed to go back to Southern California to be with my parents etc. she told me immediately and directly, “do it! don’t wait another month. why are you waiting if you don’t like it here? leave.“ And I totally get it now because why waste a month of your life as you get older you see time is shrinking you better make every day count and I did leave and I’m glad I did.
@@pbohearn Good for you! I am 51 and SO learning all of this you are speaking of. Wisdom really does come with age, in ways I never knew it would! Sometimes uncomfortable ways, and they teach us to love ourselves more and more deeply. 😊
@@pbohearn I loved reading your comment! Great advice for all of us. Thank you for sharing!
That is usually the case as the older person has had more varied experiences to share.
Paulina is amazing. She looks like she is in a league so high but she is so real and down to earth.
It's a vulnerable topic. I applaud them for having the courage to be vulnerable.
Its not vulnerable...black dont crack tamara looks amazing and what she said was not tone deaf some people just can't handle the truth everyone will get old if we live long enough!!
@@Mrsgrant-gg5mb Getting closer to inevitable death doesn't seem vulnerable to you?
Do you think a pretty face is going to save you from the inevitable aches, pains, and problems of ageing? Death getting closer and closer. Ageing is vulnerable. It hurts. It hurts your body and it hurts your pride. You're just lucky to be able to not have to feel it for a while longer.
Once your age finally does start showing, it hits you like a ton of bricks. Yes, some day it will even happen to you. Unless you die before you get old enough for all that.
You are clearly delighted to watch white women feeling vulnerable. They have white privilege and you love seeing them being taken down a knotch.
Enjoy your extended youth while you still can. Age will catch up to you, too, if you're lucky enough to live to be old enough.
Some people are just jealous. Paulina is stunningly beautiful. Why can't people just be complimentary.
She also comes across as very intelligent and has a lovely voice
Paulina looks great even without makeup.
😆
She looks wonderful but definitely wearing a full face of makeup
I cannot believe how many of the comments are indications the message was lost on them!
@@priscillatherealtor12 not on all the photos they showed though
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Great interview! One thing I notice is that when I watch shows from the UK on Britbox the woman and men are allowed to age in movies. It was shocking at first as women age naturally and don’t have facelifts needing to look 40. I love it!
This was very inspiring! Thank you! I am 41 and sometimes struggle with accepting the fact that I am aging. These ladies helped me a great deal!
Love Tamron but her comment about her 71-year-old mother looking like she’s 40 and hoping she has those genes seemed really tone deaf 🤦🏾♀️
Yes, and you could see paulina and Justine thought the same!!!!
All her episodes are tone deaf to me
It seemed low-key shady imo. 🌳
Yup. Maybe it just kinda slipped out, before she had a chance to think about it.
@@greenbyrd3665 it probably did and that goes to show you just how deeply ingrained it is to fight aging in our social construct even just after having a discussion about it.
Justine Bateman battled for years with anorexia and bulimia. She almost died due to organs shutting down , she has always talked about it. And helps others in their fight against these illnesses as well. Dunno if she ever did any sort of drugs , alcohol etc but she did had these illnesses for decades. And she decided to carry her journey on her face instead of erasing it. But at least she’s alive and healthy today not many women survive these despicable diseases . Paulina is still struggling with accepting aging gracefully and she talks about how deep she has to battle within herself to not get facelift. But sometimes succumbs to doing peeling , microbladding etc. She acknowledges that just like everyone she’s conditioned to fight against aging and that’s why she’s trying to ‘deprogramme ‘ herself.
I think being a model is harder as well with aging. All the attention and comments, career and money that benefitted from it only to not have it due to aging. Very tough. We are more than our looks.
interesting view on carrying your journey on your face. I agree
I like that - “carry her journey in her face...”
Paulina is utterly gorgeous at any age and anyone who cant see it is blind. She honestly looks better than many women at any age and the fact that her beauty is not celebrated now that she is older is a tragedy, there is so much beauty in aging too. Shes like a more mature wiser womanly version of herself and her younger self is a fresh faced more youthful in attitude self both versions of the same woman are attractive to me, why cant society see that?! Ugh.. whatever.. shes stunning to me always will be..
Paulina is so beautiful,. She is confident and beautiful! That is ageless beauty! Beauty has nothing to do with age.
Thank you Justine and Pauline for the amazing work you're doing! We so need Braves strong Souls on this planet right now.
Aging gracefully means that you take excellent care of your physical and mental health never neglect yourself to take care of others. 🦋
Well said!
I think aging gracefully means not fighting it. Accepting the aging with a smile and grateful heart to still be alive and to not be bitter..
@@misterwhiskers43 I agree. That is why “aging gracefully” is challenging. You try to tell yourself that you are blessed to age (beats the alternative), and tell yourself that despite wrinkles, age spot, less agility..that you are still beautiful and still valuable. Unfortunately, turn on the TV or open a magazine and you learn otherwise. Society tells us we should be fighting the aging process with everything in us. And gives great admiration to those who have flawless skin, shiny thick hair and size 6 bodies. It is very, very sad...
@@misterwhiskers43 Amen. I agree. I also like myself more with some age. I understand myself more with age. And if you think of people who were attracted to our beauty and youth...it is clear they were attracted to that. Beauty and youth. And yet we have SO much more to offer NOW. Greater depth, wisdom, etc. I prefer to be valued for what is inside of me. Don’t you? I am actually ok with agin. Kind of like Justine Bateman said, that the wisest, coolest and deepest woman look like that. 😊
@@misterwhiskers43 yes. I agree with you. Wish there we local groups of women in different cities that would host these discussions, meet for coffee and talk and support each other. I think that is what we need as we age, like-minded woman friends and not so much men...
Most people fear aging as it renders them invisible, obsolote, unworthy, taking up space and using resources that can be better served by younger people. In this age of plastic, older women especially are seen as dispensable, reviled for aging as they have been feted all their lives for their youthfulness and fecundity but not celebrated for their intelligence, personality, wisdom, et al; and so they are not allowed to grow older. It should be a crime to deny women the grace, compassion to reach the fullness of their experiences during the best time in their lives.
It's so sad, but so true. (You should write a book, you are very good with words.)
Thank you for this
Yes! Your words are powerful and descriptive, and I relate. I am intelligent and “was” beautiful, and found myself resenting the attention for physical beauty when I was young. Men wanted to possess and fuck the image, but not connect with the deeper me. I was naive in some ways, but so much objectification made me distrust men in my life. I have been single for years, raised two kids
To add, I am nearly 60 now. The aging process brought a certain relief when the male gaze dropped pursuit of my body. I noticed this most in my early 50’s. I felt relief, but also a sadness about becoming invisible, a bittersweet moment. Also, I think you should write a book about women aging. You seem to have insight and expressive writing ability!
We as women need to lift one another up, not down. It is fine to have opinions, but be careful in how me point fingers. Sometimes each persons situation is very unique, for example, I have a handful of friends from high school that smoked cigarettes everyday. Most of them look older than my nonsmoking friends or acquaintances. All of us have different journeys and I honestly think that most women do not see the beauty in looking older. It is my hope and prayer that women become less superficial towards ourselves and others. We get plently of judment enough from the opposite sex. Be kind❤
That's good
Well said! We are our own worst critics, and I think everyone should do whatever works for them. If I was more brave, I would probably get my neck done. Besides being prone to the dreaded “turkey neck”, I think a substantial weight loss made it rear it’s ugly head earlier. I totally agree about our individual journeys contributing. I was a sun worshipper from my early teens, I lost my son, my husband, and my Mom within 4 years 2008-2012. But I never smoked, and have noticed the toll it takes as my Mom never smoked and didn’t care for the beach, and her younger sister did both...big difference. It all shows on our face. Thank you for the reminder ❤️
The thing about ageing that annoys me the most is when you're judged or ignored by younger people. They somehow conveniently fail to realise that THEY will also be your age one day if they're lucky. So you have 2 choices, either grow older or die.
I turned 50 this year!
It’s just a number to me. I do not feel my age. I’m thankful that I’m strong, healthy, truly caring and loving. I’m blessed with two dynamic children, a wonderful husband of 25 years who still chases me around the house. Above all I know who my savior is!
This is beautiful to me.
Justine became older and smarter..What an interesting woman.
I totally agree with you. It tends to happen to women who - with age - tend to stop focusing so much on their looks and start working on the inside, as it were.
She is amazing. Very, very intelligent woman.
Amen. I wish this country would get on board with again...instead of “anti” aging
I think she was always very intelligent ... just played the part of someone not so intelligent.
@@colettecrosbie4984: Yes! She had excellent comedic timing on 'Family Ties.' I remember a big director once said that it takes a very smart actress to 'play dumb.' I totally agree.
Aging for American women is not 'allowed'. This aging talk seems a bit different because Paulina and Justine are not your average woman. They were in the top tier of physical beauty. Thus, all the baggage that brought is more complicated than for the average-looking woman. Props to them, all the more!
True. Somebody that's average looking probably wouldn't struggle as much with aging.
Lisa DiConti ...many times they age better!!
@@dissendiums Why is that?
Aging for the average woman is allowed! People without tons of money and resources DO age normally, take a look around. Women celebrities are not allowed to age because Hollywood demands young, hot, thin, pretty, because it’s ALL a double standard created by men. Secondly, American society fears aging and dying but fears becoming invisible and irreverent even more. An ALL about me society’s vanity transcends with aging, but this society doesn’t want to transcend!
Lisa DiConti ...that’s a really good question!!! I have seen this throughout my 58 years and it still mystifies me! 🤔. I actually look really fairly nice right now because of taking astragalus supplement again and taking better care of my liver too with milk thistle ( with dandelion) and have just started this last week experimenting with estrogen and progesterone creams... it’s made a huge quick difference with face ‘sag’ as I have a lot of face structure challenges of a recessed jaw due to bone reabsorption from tooth extractions as a child (and osteoporosis the last 20 or so years). But it is hardly noticeable if I can keep my skin ‘up’. I have been blessed genetically with a tendency for smooth skin anyway and my struggle is jowls and nasal lines, and neck. I really wish too I didn’t have to do anything but I feel I am a slave to continue as I can figure it out with no surgeries, as the alternative is strange lingering stares from children and huge dismissal from adults....ugh, the struggle is unrelenting for sure for so many of us! I saw a vid lately extolling the known visible benefits of moderate exercise for reversing and maintaining youthful appearance but have not done that as I hurt my ankles lately. I also find for myself that I gain more wisdom and knowledge as I remain as much as possible in peace and trust and better obedience with God so, that helps too!
I have so much gratitude for these women who are aging gracefully publicly. Most people we see in the media have achieved the look they have artificially, at the expense of their true beauty. At a certain point, they end up with the same bland fake look, which I am certain, weighs on their soul. We rarely get to see true aging beauty, so I value and appreciate what Paulina and Justine are doing.
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Paulina and Justine, thank you! You are both stunning, right now. Recently, I treated myself to a facial with an esthetician that I hadn't seen in about 13 years. When she saw me she hugged me as she laughingly said "Oh Julie, you used to be so cute!" My face was 13 years older, but I had allowed my hair to grey, and she could not understand that. In Newport Beach CA, I find that either people love the grey, or see it as "letting myself go", or I am invisible. This interview is encouraging, enlightening, and elevating! Thank you Tamron!
Hello how are you doing 😊😊😊😊
I'm 57 and a friend of mine slipped and said "you used to be so beautiful". That hurt.
Her book needs to have as many likes as this interview has.
This is so important. THIS is women taking their power back and not being brainwashed by unrealistic standards by the beauty and fashion industry to get women to buy.
Great conversation between fabulous women. I'm 54 and finally stopped dying my hair. I actually feel freer in my 50s.
I quit dying my hair two years ago. I couldn’t handle the stress of getting it colored and seeing roots three days later! I got tired of fighting my hair. It’s been freeing to not color, but I have my days when I think, why am I doing this??? Lol!
….. you know what they say about there being a reason for everything. In the crazy hour of the morning I discover Justine Bateman. Going to buy the book. This ‘discovery’ has come at a pivotal time in my life when I’m feeling a little bit vulnerable as well as extremely grateful. Ageing is soooo complicated.
I'll give u something that helps u feel free... how is the roundness of your butt
I am fifty- six and I think your great and keep going you give us hope and not throwing ourselves away. Not all women look perfect at 56, but self love is important and taking care of our mental health and more.
They're both stunningly beautiful ...wtf is wrong with society...like everyone isn't going to get old!!
What is WRONG with SOCIETY? There's not enough SPACE to Respond....
I don't live with that society, its misleading my society is living with wellness and being free from stereotypes tags, etc,.
America is a youth obsessed country That's why their is a lack of geriatric resources for the elderly
@@janetsavona7590 Among many things the CHINESE say you can JUDGE a SOCIETY by the way you TREAT the OLD & YOUNG. In America throw them into DAY CARE & NURSING HOMES..Case Closed. BTW, I'm the Caregiver for a WORLD WAR 2 Vet in Valley Forge.
@@mikewhite4560 Not all Nursing Homes are bad though and it depends on how much care they need Sometimes it can be exhausting 24 7
My 25 year old son had an excellent response to something I said which was, "I've lost my youth". He replied with, "You've haven't LOST your youth, your LIVED your youth".
Signs of aging started for me 1 year ago at age 53 (profile pic I was 48 so not wrinkled yet). Menopause hit. Jowls are present as is everything else that I don't need to spell out. I am not a celebrity nor do I possess features considered attractive for today's standard of beauty (wide set almond shaped eyes, upturned slim nose, full mouth, slim jaw, long neck, etc) and I find myself struggling with feeling good about how I look and participate less in having photos taken of me. I need to go full circle regarding what my son said because it helps so much! Older people do become invisible but we had our glory in our younger days need to realize we all transition into old age and the things that go along with it. It's not a bad thing. However, within our own age group we are NOT invisible and are accepted. It feels good!
Regarding Justine, part of the reason she may look a wee bit older than she is is due to choosing the wrong hair colour (If she let it go grey she'd look better as it would match her skin tone better) and use of heavy dark eyeliner. If her hair was to her shoulders it would lift her up too but some women have to hold on to their length (I cut mine off---hair grows back!). In addition, she doesn't have a lot of body fat which makes the skin appear 'thinner' adding a few years on (or her skin is just thinning at a faster rate). But in the end who cares? It's who we are as people that matter a lot more than the shell we were born with. When someone who is older is fun to be around, I am not focusing on their weathered or aging features (if they have them).
Paulina is beautiful inside and out always. She looks phenomenal and hasn’t succumbed to have a bunch of stuff done. What an inspiration 🌻
Hello how are you doing 😊😊😊
I don't know about you, girls, but now at 45 I feel more beautiful and empowered then ever before, because I don't feel the pressure to look perfect,I just want to be happy and enjoy my life. I have been through so much ,I don't want the pressure of looking the certain way. I can not and I will not compete with 20 year olds. It's pure nonsense! Also, I am not on men's radar that much anymore, there are younger women who attract their attention,so,to be honest it takes off a lot of pressure. 🤣😂😂😂 If you focuse on being attractive to men you will suffer, if you focus on enjoying life you will be much happier.
Well said thank you!
Definitely for sure
Yeah! Exactly I wouldn't go backwards not even one year. I embrace the wisdom that beauty is not something I even think about, and it feels so beautiful in my soul to not care one iota what aging does to me
@@pink4078 I know!!! 😂😂😂
Ooohhhh.... a new book from Justine. I love how she’s embracing her journey and not buying into the Hollywood stereotype of surgical intervention. These ladies will end up more beautiful compared to the puffed up weirdos in Hollywood
I found Paulina's comment about husbands seeing their wives as "coffee tables " interesting since her husband has looked like a 65 year old man since the 80's. LOL
Yeah it is sad how their relationship ended up.
@@MADEbySOUL she was way too good for him.
@She-Wolf I'm sure we all know he's dead...you're so rude.
@She-Wolf So? He was an a*****e and treated her bad. Are we supposed to talk about him like he was a saint because he died?
@@cmasse64 EXACTLY
I'm 68 yrs old and I never felt old based on my looks until a few years ago when I was going through several medical challenges and depression. I looked in the mirror one day and was surprised to noticed how much my face had changed. Since that day I have become aware that my "ageing" is directly related to my physical and emotional health. Also, others' opinion of my looks has decreased in importance as I've grown older.
I started to notice this happening in my late 40s as well. I guess because I never had a career that was solely focussed on my looks, I actually found it to be a relief to no longer be the objective of lust by every man I walked by. For the first time I felt free to do as I please without as much scrutiny.
Embrace it Paulina. You’re finally free
I am with Paulina and Justine!I think embracing reality is so beautiful and empowering.You both are so inspiring. Thankyou! I am over 50 and plan to age naturally and gracefully. I love my grey hair, age/sun spots, character lines. I celebrate with both of you every day!
I love Justine Bateman! An aspect of aging gracefully is the fact that you are still alive and that’s exciting. Paulina and Justine are as gorgeous now as they’ve always been.
Yes but she needs to lose the black under eye liner, looks so harsh
Im 56 and stopped coloring my hair a cpl yrs ago. I dont wear make up anymore. Ive even stopped wearing bras. I feel sexier than i ever have in my life.
Sounds like you've just let yourself go.
Usually if women get cancer, they rethink the whole hair coloring thing, for many reasons. Accepting yourself.
The freedom of it all!!!!
Yes to everything else, but not wearing a bra?
you are a lovely lady. I totally relate about the bra. its great to not worry about it for the weekend...just giving the back a break:)
I live in Georgia. I live a very comfortable life at a very young 74. The problem for me is finding a woman that cares for me and not for what I can give them. I would walk to Manitoba for a woman like Paulina. Everyone needs to be wanted, appreciated, and loved. The rest is just window dressing.
The day I stopped caring what people think, the day I love my life more
Paulina hit the nail on the head when she said you become invisible. I will never understand it and, quite frankly, it bothers me. Who wants to be invisible, especially when you spend time putting yourself together? If you were once considered attractive, it's a harder pill to swallow. I can understand why so many women just stop trying. I'm an absolute ghost to men and younger people but I still prefer to look good for myself. I'm fit and in my 40s and society just has no place for women like me, even if I look younger than my age. Something is not right here. Kudos to both of these women for speaking some truth. We need a movement.
Yep. I stopped trying. I'm not even fit anymore. It's a struggle to even still want to live. I've lost my worth.
It’s a brutal insult. Gay guys get it at 35-40-45 tops
I don’t care if I am invisible to others now. Others perception of my appearance, which is constantly changing due to moving through time does not determine who I am .
It is harder for us who were always beauties. Hate to say it , but when you are pretty and always admired, complimented , envied and your looks have provided so many advantages and opened doors. When your looks are slowly fading as mine are at 56 it really hurts. It's been my identity for so long. I am still considered good looking "for my age" but am starting to notice becoming invisible to younger people and not every ones head turn when I walk into a room. I am intelligent and witty but my looks were my identity. They probably wouldn't have been if it wasn't for others reactions all these years. At jobs co workers would assume I was dumb for how I looked but within about a month they learned I had brains too. In some ways it's freeing and I don't care as much. I will wear the right shoes for comfort now instead of fashion etc but it is losing a big part of who you are or were always perceived. Aging does suck not to mention arthritis kicking in but I do try to still look as nice as I can with tasteful make up and clothes at least just to please myself. I feel good when I look good. I am not trying to sound conceited. Just writing is helping me come to grips with this new stage of my life plus my kids grown and empty nest.
@@lisascorp hey I understand what you are saying here as I was the same,,I’m F 60 now,,
My advice is to celebrate the time period of your youth and accept that you had Your turn ,,,,,it’s not our turn anymore,,,,,,it’s just the way the things are,,,,,life goes on,,so, find other things to find a purpose ,,,self worth shouldn’t be determined by our external package,,,,,time to reinvent yourself,,,
I'm a fan of Justine and loved her work on Family Ties and the movie Satisfaction! I love how Justine is encouraging women to love themselves just as they are and to embrace your beauty as you age.
Paulina is just beautiful! All of them are.
These were 2 of my favorite women growing up, and I like them even more now. Malorie Keaton was the best on Family Ties, back when TV shows were actually entertaining and not politically motivated. I love them for embracing their age, as we all should! Be grateful for each day we're alive. Gratitude is where true beauty lies.
I loved her explanation of being invisible. Being invisible and feeling insignificant is rather depressing. I wish our society honored age. I enjoyed this interview.
When I was a teenager, was told I looked like Justine Bateman. I hope I still do. She's still beautiful to me.
Don't forget Intellgent..
I don’t believe in being rude but I believe in honesty, you’re much better looking.
I remember running into a female co-worker I use to work at, at the grocery store. She was apologising for not having any make-up on, that she didn't have the time to put any on, cause she was in a hurry, I was confuse by that, cause she was as beautiful as I remembered. I was just so glad to run into her with or without any make-up.
It's not just America, it's all over the world. One time I woke up and suddenly people stopped noticing me. When I shop or interact, everyone is still nice but cold and distant. It was weird it still is. After some age, if you are a woman, people really stop thinking of you as someone worth even a smile or a smalltalk. It may be this culture that women are objects of beauty, decorations, that looks and sexuality are our "empowerment" and without that, we are nothing. As I am pushing 50 I am coming in terms with the fact that I am aging, and I will never look like I looked when I was 35 again. But well, it's not all that I am. After certain age, if you have nothing else to show or to be proud of except how still sexy and youthful you are, then you might have a problem.
I've heard this referred to as the "invisible cloak of menopause", and I think (at least from my own experience @ 54), it's true.
For me, it was actually a relief - I am okay-looking, not beautiful (I am athletic and slim, though) but that didn't stop dudes from hitting on me at the gym, in bookstores, etc., and I really couldn't stand it. I've never defined my happiness, worth or value through the lens of whether men find me attractive, so I'm glad they've stopped bothering me. I'm not sure I've noticed being ignored by shop owners or not...I don't think so, but I could be and just not aware of it.
I'd be lying if I said I am loving the physical aging process: crepe-y skin, a sagging seat, and deepening creases on my face kind of suck, but it's better than the alternative 🤷🏻♀️.
My biggest issue now is trying to get a job, and I suspect my age is a negative for at least some of the jobs I've applied for. I don't look (or act, whatever that actually means 😂) my age, and I do things that most middle-aged women don't do...like 40-70 mile solo backpacking trips. I've prided myself on being an outlier in many ways throughout my life, and I don't see that changing until I'm dead 👍🏻 😄.
It's true!! The smiles & acknowledgement I used to get as a younger women when I spoke or commented are now just met with confused looks of " huh?" I didn't notice til my hubs died a couple of yrs ago bc we were always together. It's really weird- ( I'm a Southerner & usually am a talker)
@@sonyaj66 I am mostly concerned with health issues that suddenly started to appear and increasing with age. It's alarming how hard is for me now to get out of bed when I wake up. And I work out regularly. Even that is not easy, I got muscle pains easier, get hurt, once I dislocated my knee while getting up from sitting position, literally. Getting no looks from people is not that of vanity but more like I have to yell "hey, I am here!" to be noticed anywhere. I have a trick now, I don't raise my voice just quietly with a smile say "could you please, pay attention to me too".
@@sonyaj66 I watched a video recently that talked about aging Americans trying to keep a job and or find one. 56% of unemployed are women over 50.
@@lauragwillim1055 🙄. I'm not surprised. I do know that women of all ages got disproportionally screwed during the pandemic, job-wise, for a variety of reasons. It's definitely harder to maintain relevance in a society that worships youth...but also seems to overlook the associated immaturity and lack of experience that goes along with it.
Thank you Paulina and Justine! At 64 with no work I needed to hear this. You are both beautiful at any age!
I resonate so much with this show! When I turned 50, I started calling myself #fiftylicious and launched my own RUclips channel about it🤪
#fiftylicious--I love it!
Gonna watch your channel
@@2legit2Kwit Thank you so much! I hope you find my content enjoyable.
Good for you!☺️
Love this! Might have to borrow that word from you! 💜
I love that I’m maturing, because I’m still here to see myself...
Enjoy every age you are . I hate when you ask someone how old they are and they cant just say the age they act likes its bad being over 40 . embrace it be proud
Paulina looks INCREDIBLE then and NOW! She made perfect sense what she said! I’ve always admired her!
Paulina was so articulate when it came to aging and these women are such role models....kudos to them. I have embraced my grey and it has kick started my acceptance of aging!
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I completely agree with Justine. There are some woman that I think actually look better as they've aged. For me, it's something about the the loss of the fat and collagen in their cheeks that gives their cheek bones a more defined and sculpted look. Too many fillers or an extreme face-lift often takes away from that.
And even if you're not one of those women who age "well" it's still perfectly ok
I've always liked Justine. I prefer her definition of Empowerment. It's important to love and accept your natural face.
Yes, but my question is, if she truly does love and accept her “natural” face, then why does she wear all that awful black eyeliner?
@@mikamamma thank you
@@mikamamma maybe she likes that look. I’m of the “you do you” mindset, so I say if it makes her happy no big deal. It doesn’t mean she doesn’t love her natural face - it may be her idea of enhancing it.
@@TheMocao ah! Yes, ok, I see. Makes sense. Good way to think about it. Maybe you’re right.
I am nearly 63. Living my best life. Healthy, professional. Hang ups and worries are so much easier to deal with as you get older. Confidence and self assurance really come with age for me at least
Paulina is my hero!! I’m 52 now and I too are trying to embrace the beauty in the changes I’m going through and doing it all naturally. I completely understand what she means about feeling invisible at times . But I’m married so that part isn’t an issue to much. I’m still very important to my family and friends. And I wouldn’t give up the wealth and knowledge I have now for my youth .. I love the the woman I am inside right now. And I am learning how to let that show on the outside.
It takes more courage to do what Paulina , and Justine are doing to encourage us all , then it does to go under the knife or get work done.
For me, the term "aging gracefully" means that we are happy and content with who we are, and we're not trying to look like our daughters or granddaughters in either our choice of make-up or clothing. We are comfortable in our own skin, confident with the person we are becoming, and most of all, THANKFUL that we are blessed with growing older - as opposed to dying young and beautiful. Beauty is absolutely more about the woman we are inside, rather than our outward and worldly appearance. Just tryin' to keep it real ladies!
Justine has such unique voice and inflection. You know it’s her talking with audio only.
Paulina STILL gorgeous !!!! And she speaks so eloquently. Can still hear her accent AND love that too !!!
Funny, some say Justine looks old, others say she's beautiful - and so overwhelming message is "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" (including You and your thoughts about yourself)
I've never been bothered by aging. I used to be a hairdresser and I recall how many women were so fixated on their looks and never happy. There are some things I had wondered about in terms of plastic surgery but the desire was never strong enough to pursue it. I've seen a couple of people who are horribly disfigured from an accident or burns and they have to face the world like this. I realized I had no right to complain about anything. Be happy with what you have:)
They are both beautiful. Looks better than many 20 year old's.
So true, aging women are gorgeous and always have been to me, I dont understand the youth obsession.
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i remember back in the 70 s and 80 when paulina was everywhere and she is still GORGEOUS
I agree with you. She may have gray hair, but she's still a beautiful woman.💚❤️🖤
I really want to read Justines books! Both she and Paulina are so inspiring in their intelligence, candor, and willingness to be authentic. They are truly beautiful side and out🥰💪🏼
I love both these women for standing up for women-kind. I appreciate it so much.
Now that I'm 60 years old, I'm grateful that the love of my life (who is 59), told me that although he's aware most men may find younger women more attractive, he himself is viscerally attracted to me in part *because* I'm close to his age. He actually said "Why bother wasting money to make yourself look younger?" So I asked him if he thinks people shouldn't do anything at all to improve their appearance, and he said he thinks we should just try to stay in the best shape we can, and continue to do the same things we did when we *were* younger to look as good as we could, like eating right, exercising, hair styling, etc.
Black women look 30 when they're 50 that's just our genetics. Look at Tamron 50 with a baby and no plastic surgery, melanin magic
Melanin protects the harm caused by the sun.
I’m pale as anything and have to be careful in the sun. I look younger than almost 50. I think melanin protects you from the suns effects. If I was olive skinned I would’ve tanned like crazy haha
If they take care of themselves I see alot of B women who looked stressed worn out an body not in the best of shape which ages you so yes it's true B women age way slower ..sadly many have alot of other things going on that age's them
Black women age gracefully just like Asian women. But black and Asian women do not look 30 at 50. More like 40 at 50.
@@girlonfire2.076 Black women do have a lot of stresses, but we're dealing with those stresses, as well as taking care of our health.
Paulina's beauty in youth was extraordinary. I never heard Sophia Loren or Elizabeth Taylor complain and complain about the world seeing them differently. They were beautiful every decade and so is Paulina. She's got a lot of emotional and financial issues that is affecting her deeply. She's got her health and family and is rid of that skank of a husband. New life Paulina, work on the depression.
Yeah Elizabeth just drank and ate herself to death...no problems there whatsoever! We don’t know what others think other than what they tell us abs what they are sharing here is valuable stuff FOR WOMEN. Men. Listen.
Sophia Loren has way more class than this attention grabbing mouthpiece.
Sophia and Elizabeth had talent and won Academy Awards for it so were known for more than their beauty. Models are hired for their appearance. Full stop. When that goes, if they haven't developed a personality or another business like Elle MacPherson or Christie Brinkley, they don't know what to do with themselves.
@@ApplePie.. Are you saying Paulina is an attention grabbing mouthpiece! Shame on you. She has been through a lot and she is helping women accept aging naturally. I love her.
@@dianeberlin5969 Same here! I think what she's doing is great! I love the openess..I wish we could all share more of that!