Why Speed Isn't Everything - The Slowbro Theorem

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  • Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024

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  • @Missiletainn
    @Missiletainn Месяц назад +1688

    Chilly Reception doesn't have negative priority, it's just exclusively on the Slows so always goes last

    • @sh0shin
      @sh0shin Месяц назад +176

      Pretty important in trick room where teleport would still go last for instance but yeah

    • @Dabrick47
      @Dabrick47 Месяц назад +64

      What did the ice man say to the bird boy?
      Stay COOL!!!😂😂😂
      😅🌨️

    • @nullpoint3346
      @nullpoint3346 Месяц назад +19

      Can we get a Stakataka vs Slowbro match to confirm?

    • @laprasrules12
      @laprasrules12 Месяц назад +79

      Its actually only on both Slowkings. The bros get nothing

    • @oopsie-dazy
      @oopsie-dazy Месяц назад +39

      ​@@laprasrules12 Which makes it ironic that the theorem is named after Slowbro, since king is the bigger benefactor while bro fell off without Teleport in gen 9

  • @PedroHenrique-mk5zi
    @PedroHenrique-mk5zi Месяц назад +1168

    I find funny how the rebuttal to the Deoxys Theorem took 1 year to arrive. Slowbro takes things slowly, true to its name.

    • @DarkSymphony777
      @DarkSymphony777 Месяц назад +52

      Reminds me of a thread post where a guy said he would wait a year to finish a reply
      Then on a year to the day, DID

    • @shimogane2474
      @shimogane2474 Месяц назад +18

      iits not named fastbro its slowbro science after all

    • @Nameless_mixes
      @Nameless_mixes Месяц назад +10

      Slowbro uses Internet Explorer

    • @justaperson8381
      @justaperson8381 Месяц назад +2

      Merry christmas

    • @mrmeu3480
      @mrmeu3480 Месяц назад +1

      ​@@DarkSymphony777 you would have been memorable if you took a year to finish this story

  • @freddyP300
    @freddyP300 Месяц назад +652

    "Domain Expansion Trick Room. Now you're too slow, bro." - Slowbro 2006

    • @jamieweir645
      @jamieweir645 Месяц назад +72

      The infamous Saturo Slowjo 😎

    • @FirstlyMe
      @FirstlyMe Месяц назад +30

      Opponent: 1809+ speed

    • @miracleboysatori7160
      @miracleboysatori7160 Месяц назад +63

      Regieleki: Nah, I'd outspeed.

    • @armorbearer9702
      @armorbearer9702 Месяц назад +25

      @@jamieweir645 Are you Saturo Slowjo cause you're the slowest, or are you Saturo Slowjo because you are the slowest?

    • @FirstlyMe
      @FirstlyMe Месяц назад +15

      @@armorbearer9702 nah
      Are u regiyomen elekuna cuz ur the fastest? Or are you the fastest cuz you’re regiyomen elekuna?

  • @donkarasu-9644
    @donkarasu-9644 Месяц назад +211

    Remembering how certain players would have Groudon/Kyogre slower on purpose to override the other weather Pokemon's, well, weather.

    • @natnew32
      @natnew32 Месяц назад +4

      That was a lot more specific because it was only relevant on the first turn.

    • @RaventhortheWarrior
      @RaventhortheWarrior Месяц назад +33

      ​@natnew32 but that's VERY relevant in vgc

    • @konbkob4156
      @konbkob4156 Месяц назад +11

      Even to the point of using Level 49 Groudon

    • @BEEEES
      @BEEEES Месяц назад +8

      ​@@konbkob4156 and then level 48 kyogre

    • @wonderfulrose477
      @wonderfulrose477 Месяц назад +6

      @@BEEEESand then level 47 groudon

  • @sekaihunter9378
    @sekaihunter9378 Месяц назад +436

    The Slowbro and Slowking family are such CHADs that:
    - They have always stayed competitive ever since their debuts all the way in Gen 1 and Gen 2 (never fall below RU while the frauds Snorlax and Tauros went to ZU and Untiered)
    - Oblivious to all forms of power creeps, always grinding in the gym to become their better selves (Regenerator in Gen 5, Mega Slowbro in Gen 6, Teleport in Gen 8, Chilly Reception in Gen 9)
    - Are so CHAD that the only one who could power creep their roles are their cousin in Galar!

    • @Miguel_I_guess
      @Miguel_I_guess Месяц назад +39

      Slow regen pivot, another water type comes to mind (dr tox)

    • @SolaricAngel116
      @SolaricAngel116 Месяц назад +7

      What happened in Gen 7?

    • @YourHumbleNarrator
      @YourHumbleNarrator Месяц назад +4

      @SolaricAngel116 Being one of the best pokemon in lgpe ou count?

    • @onebear6504
      @onebear6504 Месяц назад +10

      ​​@@SolaricAngel116 Toxapex

    • @sephikong8323
      @sephikong8323 Месяц назад +7

      But ....... Slowking and Slowbro have both been NU at least once though.
      Slowking was NU in Gen 4 and Slowbro was NU in Gen 7

  • @lvl5Vaporeon
    @lvl5Vaporeon Месяц назад +304

    I like thinking slowbro becomes the flash and gains alakazams IQ under trick room; then proceeding to spout the most unhinged philosophical hot takes during those 5 turns.

    • @dylanbuchanan6511
      @dylanbuchanan6511 Месяц назад +18

      I always thought slowking was like that while its brother Slowbro was the um…slow one

    • @nullpoint3346
      @nullpoint3346 Месяц назад +20

      Technically Slowpoke is the smartest of them but cannot use it because there is too much, Slowbro and Slowking are more active and aware because the pain of the "Shellder" bite forces them to prioritize what is immediately around them rather than perceiving everything all at once.

    •  Месяц назад +2

      ​@@nullpoint3346Was that not just a fan theory?

    • @nullpoint3346
      @nullpoint3346 Месяц назад +4

      It's still in Head canon territory, but it has more canonical support than you'd expect.

    • @Mikescool444
      @Mikescool444 Месяц назад

      So he basically becomes Xavier?

  • @njivwathomassilavwe2056
    @njivwathomassilavwe2056 Месяц назад +803

    Everyone is gangster until trick room goes up

    • @XanXinGames
      @XanXinGames Месяц назад +25

      Until they get hit with a prankster

    • @Ben-jl2rh
      @Ben-jl2rh Месяц назад +37

      Regileki don't give af

    • @tomatogenesis
      @tomatogenesis Месяц назад +36

      Regieleki while everyone moves in slow motion: "Oh no, anyway-"

    • @BlackHanzo
      @BlackHanzo Месяц назад +3

      My Hisuian Goodra can handle it

    • @epicwuexcaliburumbra1736
      @epicwuexcaliburumbra1736 Месяц назад +7

      @@XanXinGamesyeah untill psy terrain is up.

  • @brandontherabboat4850
    @brandontherabboat4850 Месяц назад +132

    I’m ngl, I’m REALLY glad that there’s a bunch of moves, Abilities, Pokémon and viable strategies that hinge on you being slower that your opponent. It just shows that higher numbers aren’t the end-all be-all.

    • @reginaldkelly5962
      @reginaldkelly5962 Месяц назад +9

      But they are. As trick room is making the lower number the "higher stat" in this instance

    • @PauloHenrique-op9zw
      @PauloHenrique-op9zw Месяц назад +5

      Remember "Why Stats aren't Everything or The Quagsire Theorem"?
      This game is more than "I do bazillion damage, I win"

  • @singingcrow439
    @singingcrow439 Месяц назад +56

    Mons with weather setting abilities also benefit from being slower because if they enter the same turn as an opposing weather setter, the faster mons ability activates first, only for their weather to be canceled out by the slower one.
    This means being slower is an advantage as you can get your weather up while preventing theirs.

    • @skeetermania3202
      @skeetermania3202 Месяц назад +8

      This also applies to terrains. This interaction is also most common in VGC, and it’s one of the main reasons Torkoal is such a menace there.

    • @nullpoint3346
      @nullpoint3346 Месяц назад

      Almost makes weather fusions worth considering, real world weather can be pretty crazy.
      Raining _upwards_ in a plain biome is just the beginning.

    • @sephikong8323
      @sephikong8323 Месяц назад

      ​@nullpoint3346 That's how you create Acid Rain you fool

  • @spunchbob.
    @spunchbob. Месяц назад +238

    Slowbro and Deoxys-S confirmed beef?!

    • @HieuMai-go1cx
      @HieuMai-go1cx Месяц назад +26

      Im imagining slowbro and deoxys-S dissing each other in a rap battle,that would be PEAK

    • @sekaihunter9378
      @sekaihunter9378 Месяц назад +20

      ​@@HieuMai-go1cx and I'm imagining Slowking coming out of the shed to defend his bro, forcing Deoxys-S to call for help from his other forms.

    • @Mashu-tw7yf
      @Mashu-tw7yf Месяц назад

      Slowbro: im sped naow

    • @Afrochilla
      @Afrochilla Месяц назад +10

      @@HieuMai-go1cxIt'll start as a friendly fade, then Slowbro will out Deoxys as a sex offender that is truly not like us. Craziest rap beef of 2025 get ready for it.

    • @therickestmaverick2713
      @therickestmaverick2713 Месяц назад

      Them psycho boost getting neutralized I can only watch in silence.
      The famous lead we once knew just got paralyzed and I'm smiling.
      You spiking just like a degenerate the uber council think you might be distasteful.
      I calculate you not as calculated I can even predict your angle.
      Fabricating lies on the smogon forms cause you hate scarf darkrie.

  • @Nadid_Dhrabb
    @Nadid_Dhrabb Месяц назад +77

    "You can consider this video to be SLOW CINEMA"
    I see you BKC

  • @mistahanansi2264
    @mistahanansi2264 Месяц назад +42

    FSG: “Speed isn’t everything.”
    **GYRO BALL liked that**

  • @darklightning2730
    @darklightning2730 Месяц назад +102

    I’m surprised he didn’t talk about Aegislash, as in that video, he acknowledged how great going second was.

    • @hosni4064
      @hosni4064 Месяц назад +20

      and not a single mention of Stakataka, probably THE modern face of trick room.

    • @june9914
      @june9914 Месяц назад +5

      @@hosni4064*faces of trick room. Stackattacka is made of a bunch of,,, attackas? I think

    • @skeetermania3202
      @skeetermania3202 20 дней назад +3

      @@hosni4064Well, after Cresselia.

    • @dhans9662
      @dhans9662 6 дней назад

      And with 150 offense stats even if he had to go first he had a decent chance of an OHKO

  • @HMZeroTwo
    @HMZeroTwo Месяц назад +48

    I had a feeling this would come out, after all speed is ALMOST everything

  • @IndigoZacc
    @IndigoZacc Месяц назад +26

    Taking Slowking even further beyond - I made a kinda goofy gen 9 trick room singles team, and my Slowking was the trick room setter. Chilling reception does not have lower priority like teleport does, and the slows dont have teleport in gen 9. This means after Trick Room is set, Slowking would normally go first with Chilling Reception the following turn. To ensure that the Chilling Reception instead went second, I used a Lagging Tail, allowing something like an Assault Vest Iron Hands or a Guts-Flame Orb-Facade Ursaluna getting in safely so they can immediately get to work with the remaining 3 turns of Trick Room.

    • @12jswilson
      @12jswilson Месяц назад +5

      In draft, I suggested lagging tail tailwind uturn Whimsicott to a buddy and he's used the strategy multiple times to great success.

  • @Connowot387
    @Connowot387 Месяц назад +21

    Can’t wait for the Regieleki Theorem: Why Trick Room isn’t everything (and why it can be ignored if you’re fast enough).

    • @DarkSymphony777
      @DarkSymphony777 Месяц назад +1

      Always been confused about regileki and trick room. Mind explaining?

    • @drunkidiot8364
      @drunkidiot8364 Месяц назад +13

      If I am not mistaken the gist of it was that the trick room operates on a formula that subtracts the speed value (-10k I think), and then makes it a positive number, what that does is that the smaller numbers from the slowest pokemon turns into a very negative number that later becomes a big positive number thus reversing the turn order, but since regieleki is so friggin fast his number remains positive even after subtraction wich makes him still the fastest pokemon in the order

    • @cross-layered8538
      @cross-layered8538 Месяц назад +11

      @@DarkSymphony777regieleki is so absurdly fast that due to how tricky room works, it’s speed stat overflows and ends up still faster than everything out regardless. I’d recommend looking up a video, it’s really interesting.

    • @mr.sniffly5297
      @mr.sniffly5297 Месяц назад +8

      ⁠@@DarkSymphony777because of the way the game calculates trick room turn order, Regieleki can get a high enough speed stat that it still goes first in it’s priority bracket.
      Specifically, Trick Room converts speed stats to (10000-(og speed)), but 8191 is the maximum possible speed value before it reverts back to 0. Most pokemon have less than 1809 speed, so their trick room speed is “reset” after passing the 8191 mark and looks like a somewhat normal amount. However, Regieleki with speed investment and a couple boosts from Agility can reach 2192 speed, so it’s trick room speed can be in the 7000s

    • @nullpoint3346
      @nullpoint3346 Месяц назад +2

      @@DarkSymphony777 Without giving the math.
      Regieleki is fast enough that Trick Room makes it _faster than naturally possible._

  • @gaster666_
    @gaster666_ Месяц назад +98

    I think we all must now agree that speed is the single most important stat in pokemon, whether high or low

    • @RandalfElVikingo
      @RandalfElVikingo Месяц назад +6

      HP is the most important, without it you lose.

    • @jonahbrown5669
      @jonahbrown5669 Месяц назад +6

      ​@@RandalfElVikingo I can't tell if this is a bait

    • @RandalfElVikingo
      @RandalfElVikingo Месяц назад +15

      @@jonahbrown5669 If you think about it, every stat is constructed around reducing or preserving HP. Every win condition is based on who has more HP at the end of the battle, so it is the most important.

    • @nullpoint3346
      @nullpoint3346 Месяц назад +21

      @@jonahbrown5669 HP is the win condition.
      The amount doesn't matter, so long as it is not zero, you "can" still win.
      In Yu-Gi-Oh, the only life point that matters is the last one. (Unless you're in a shadow game with ontological inertia, then you just die when the game ends.)

    • @noukan42
      @noukan42 Месяц назад +20

      One thing i noticed is that a "mid" speed is far worse than low speed because you still won't outspeed anything relevant, are worse in trick room, and are wasting BST that was better off in any other stat...

  • @shun1255
    @shun1255 Месяц назад +14

    I thought that the Slowbro Theorem was the idea that no matter who you fall in love with, there would always be some dissenters towards who you are because that's who people were.

    • @lick1330
      @lick1330 Месяц назад +1

      Ferrothorn can cope all he wants. Love is love

    • @june9914
      @june9914 Месяц назад +10

      How HOMOPHOBIC was Ferrothtorn actually?

    • @ryangallagher9723
      @ryangallagher9723 Месяц назад +3

      least esoteric competitive pokemon joke

    • @mr.cauliflower3536
      @mr.cauliflower3536 Месяц назад +1

      Losing speed ties or not, The way I see it, Kyogre is surrounded. What's under the ocean? That's right, more earth.

  • @xeruexe1624
    @xeruexe1624 Месяц назад +6

    You forgot to mention the impact of speed on the weather wars, which had huge impacts on the turbulent Generation 5 competitive scene, but also on the Gen 6 to 7 Unrestricted VGCs. Since the faster setter lost their weather to the slower one, players were trying to set their speed to beat the other setter, but not too slow to be a liability when facing other Pokémon.
    This was especially true with the Primal VGCs, as Kyogres and Groudons specced each other to be slower than the opposing weather setter. I also think this is the reason why ultimately the Ray-ogre core gained an advantage, as Rayquaza Mega Evolving AFTER the weather has been set makes it unconcerned about speed ties with the other two weather legendaries.

  • @justinnzamora5366
    @justinnzamora5366 Месяц назад +25

    TFW speed is NOT key and slow and steady can win the race.
    I'm glad that Pokémon such as Slowbro, Slowking, Ferrothorn, and Reuniclus can thrive despite their slow speed.

    • @nullpoint3346
      @nullpoint3346 Месяц назад +9

      Speed is almost everything, but nobody said that you had to be _fast._

    • @prof.reuniclus21
      @prof.reuniclus21 Месяц назад +1

      @@nullpoint3346this, it’s all about minmaxing. If you’re bulky and strong you can take a hit and deal MASSIVE damage, and priority doesn’t matter.

  • @redwings13400
    @redwings13400 Месяц назад +16

    Very generally speaking, the bulkier you are, the more you can afford going second, and bulky pivots actively want to go second.
    If you're frail though, you'd better be going first, otherwise you're in trouble.
    Also, wow, I had no idea about gen 2 phasing mechanics, that's hilarious. I never thought Raikou would want a set that would lower its speed.

  • @daphenomenalz4100
    @daphenomenalz4100 Месяц назад +8

    Chilly Reception is a such a funny move lol, it's literally a japanese joke 😂
    Also, the animation lmao

  • @wzrdchkn
    @wzrdchkn Месяц назад +11

    This could still be considering speed being everything…considering it’s still a video on how GOOD speed is. Now, if the first video was why “going first” was everything-then you could make an argument

  • @justindekoning9988
    @justindekoning9988 Месяц назад +4

    Another great example of this is the occasinal instances steelix was actually used in Gen 4 OU. It exceled at compa ting roles. Like it could rocks, explode, constantly switch into twaves and toxics, if you gave it an iron ball with 0 speed investment it could also be trickroom and trick punish while getting the benfit having 150 power gyro balls agaisnt a lot of targets. Straight up OHKO'd most latias and did 50% to Rotom

  • @YourHumbleNarrator
    @YourHumbleNarrator Месяц назад +13

    We need a How GREAT was Slowbro actually

  • @manicornianfilmis6874
    @manicornianfilmis6874 Месяц назад +2

    Stakataka is good at representing this therom as once it gets trick room, it can snowball out of control, and it has great bulk. It can even use a focus sash to live fighting or ground moves just in case

  • @bladedasher
    @bladedasher Месяц назад +3

    Bkc sneaking "slow cinema" into the script sent me, this video makes me wanna use forretress and ferrothorn now

  • @Nyadlabaoth
    @Nyadlabaoth Месяц назад +3

    slow cinema reference? no kidding BKC writes these

  • @snapclub8751
    @snapclub8751 Месяц назад +2

    I’ve never seen such a horrifying Slowbro in my life. 😱

  • @skeetermania3202
    @skeetermania3202 Месяц назад +2

    Another example which is applicable to VGC is with Incineroar. If paired with another Intimidator with a switch move (like Landorus-T), you can have this interaction:
    Turn 0: Both opponents will be at -2 attack from both Intimidates
    Turn 1: Lando-T uses U-turn and switches out, then Incineroar moves after the opponents and brings Lando-T back in for another Intimidate. If Parting Shot was used, one of those Pokémon will be left with -4 Attack and -1 Sp Atk at the end of the turn, while the other is left with -3 Attack. This is all enabled because Incineroar is as slow as it is.

  • @Hax_R_Us
    @Hax_R_Us Месяц назад +2

    0:39 I just love when I can hear BKC through the script

  • @timothymccormack9927
    @timothymccormack9927 Месяц назад +3

    How trapping is almost everything, otherwise known as the dugtrio theorem

  • @dragonflarefrog1424
    @dragonflarefrog1424 Месяц назад +10

    I would be shocked if this video did not mention wobbuffet.

  • @paganiniishere
    @paganiniishere Месяц назад +8

    11:58
    Articuno used Roar.
    Suicune : No U

  • @DonNextDoor286
    @DonNextDoor286 Месяц назад +6

    Can’t wait to watch why Pokemon isn’t everything, the Pokemon theorem

    • @cradiculous
      @cradiculous Месяц назад

      the nintendo stans would cry

  • @vannsylten6765
    @vannsylten6765 Месяц назад +6

    Anyone remember people using Lv 99 (or lower) Slowbro and Slowking for slower Teleports? Cause I sure do.

    • @riccardocasu5576
      @riccardocasu5576 Месяц назад +5

      In tiers where Cofagrigus was a decent Pokémon and used as Trick Room sweeper some people used lv.99 Cofagrigus to make sure the opponent's Cofagrigus can't outspeed in Trick Room and do a counter sweeping.

  • @pacoramon9468
    @pacoramon9468 Месяц назад +3

    Speed is the only stat that you can benefit from being lower.

    • @burritoman2k
      @burritoman2k Месяц назад +3

      Pure special attackers benefit from having attack as low as possible to take minimal damage from confusion self damage and Foul Play

    • @prof.reuniclus21
      @prof.reuniclus21 Месяц назад +1

      Low def could be useful for counter

  • @RandomGuy-us9go
    @RandomGuy-us9go Месяц назад +2

    Ditto also wants to underspeed opposing ditto so they dont transform and keep more pp on the move, effectively meaning you get a win-win scenario where the opponent switches out their ditto and you immediatly transform, or they stay in and burn 5 pp before you burn 16 of your own transform, making them use struggle several turns before you

  • @Toomanian
    @Toomanian Месяц назад +2

    Bro really made the BKC reference with slow cinema

  • @chainlinkwarden
    @chainlinkwarden Месяц назад +2

    speed isn't everything. It's just almost everything.

  • @Jianichie
    @Jianichie Месяц назад +10

    Good lord that thumbnail. ☠️

  • @Wither64
    @Wither64 Месяц назад +1

    never knew my favorite pokémon had an entire theorem named after it, really great video!!

    • @seisveintiocho-x9e
      @seisveintiocho-x9e Месяц назад

      It did not. These names are made up for these videos. Anyone can make them up. "Why poison is something, the Weedle Theorem"

    • @Wither64
      @Wither64 Месяц назад

      @@seisveintiocho-x9e oh rip

  • @sampletext02
    @sampletext02 Месяц назад +1

    The mention of slow cinema all but guarantees the GOAT BKC helped write this one. lol

  • @BorrisJohnsonIsLeng
    @BorrisJohnsonIsLeng Месяц назад +2

    this thumbnail actualy gives me life

    • @june9914
      @june9914 Месяц назад +1

      It gives dragapult death though

  • @herbmaaster
    @herbmaaster 11 дней назад

    slowpoke and dragapult in one thumbnail im sold. two classics, dragapult a new classic

  • @charvisaur4184
    @charvisaur4184 Месяц назад +1

    Hot take. Trick Room Zong was underrated in Gen 6 OU. You could threaten most of the meta game with it. EQ, Gyro Ball, Hp Ice, Trick Room. Heatran, Clef, Chomp, Lando, Latis, TTar. None of them eat hits well from you. He carried me pretty high up the ladder because no one expected the funny bell to sweep once the team was weakened.

  • @razorfgc
    @razorfgc Месяц назад +1

    Something that wasnt mentioned is how if both people send out weather setters, the slower pokemon's weather stays up.

  • @Phoenix-xh9cd
    @Phoenix-xh9cd Месяц назад +1

    I though you would have talked about primal groudon they often ran minimum speed so that they would get weather dominance over Kyogre

  • @abraham-kun4144
    @abraham-kun4144 Месяц назад +8

    We need a theorem about why HP isn't everything.

    • @drunkidiot8364
      @drunkidiot8364 Месяц назад +1

      Elaborate, cuz the only examples I can think of is shedinja wich is something very exclusive because of wonder guard, the pain split that works best on pokemon with lower base health, and the f.e.a.r strat that has its own video

    • @galaxystudios370
      @galaxystudios370 Месяц назад +1

      The Guzzlord Theorem

    • @xaropevic7918
      @xaropevic7918 Месяц назад

      Wigglytuff syndrom, where the pokémon has high HP but no bulk in either defense

    • @glacierwolf2155
      @glacierwolf2155 Месяц назад

      The Shedinja Theorem

    • @june9914
      @june9914 Месяц назад

      So, bastiodon theorem?

  • @yati426
    @yati426 Месяц назад +2

    6:44
    The pokeball has scizor written over it

  • @gloomba3312
    @gloomba3312 Месяц назад +1

    Didn't mention how people would actually run underlevelled Slowbro/king purely so they could consistently get their teleport to go off second in the mirror

  • @crownedshyness9656
    @crownedshyness9656 Месяц назад +3

    Slow & steady wins the race.

  • @thel-iteralone4592
    @thel-iteralone4592 Месяц назад +1

    You know what they say: slow and steady wins the race! Unless the speed tie happens, which definitely will with certain Pokemon. Speed not being a factor in accuracy is a huge reason why it can be just as important to dump it as much as possible. Unlike in Pokemon Conquest, where speed determines accuracy, and accuracy sure as heck is everything.

  • @BotSupportIronValiant
    @BotSupportIronValiant Месяц назад +1

    No mention of the weather wars where VGC players brought in level 49 Groudon to set up Sun

  • @HighMightyWeasel
    @HighMightyWeasel Месяц назад

    In gen 8, there were a few instances of people running lvl 99 versions of the slow family just so they could outslow them. Losing the speed tie was just that important.

  • @HulaShark
    @HulaShark Месяц назад

    This also makes me think about how have a low speed stat is a saving grace for low BST mons. Having an extra 20-50 to put into stats other than speed is what some low BST mons to have a chance and helps them min max their stats. Some mons that come to mind are the Slow twins, Amoongus, and Amomamola

  • @1987Drake
    @1987Drake Месяц назад +1

    That sweating Rayquaza was brilliant

  • @CiabanItReal
    @CiabanItReal Месяц назад

    Man rapid spins increasing speed would have made those fortress battles hilarious.

  • @casualcraftman1599
    @casualcraftman1599 Месяц назад +1

    Why hazards are everything The Ferrothorn Theorem.

  • @carlkoopa7389
    @carlkoopa7389 Месяц назад +1

    Hell yeah, slowbro got spotlight baby!

  • @indigodegelder
    @indigodegelder Месяц назад

    I believe for a time in gen 7 clefable and the slow twins used to even drop a level down to 99 to become even more slow for their negative priority teleport. Stakataka used to do something similar for trickroom aswell. But after this became the norm peopele tried dropping down even another level to outslow again but this proved to be too much wasted stats and everyone returned to lvl 100 again because it always ends up being a speed tie anyways so they preferred having their full stats.

  • @212mochaman
    @212mochaman Месяц назад

    One eighth of the reason why Incineroar is the undisputed vgc goat is cause its practically guaranteed to parting shot in the dps last so they'll rarely have to tank a hit

  • @deadriccow
    @deadriccow Месяц назад

    Also another point of being slower is in abilities procing, an example is the weather war and the slower mon for their ability to set off second so Kyogre would set rain over Groudon but it eventually came down to people bringing level 49 Groudons in order to under speed level 50 Kyogre just to set sun over the rain

  • @GundamDragonLord
    @GundamDragonLord Месяц назад

    It's amazing that you left out the most basic strategy where Speed isn't everything. That is the Move Dig. A geodude will out dig a Charmander in Pokemon Stadium, for example.

  • @bdt2002gaming
    @bdt2002gaming Месяц назад

    Potentially hot take: certain recovery moves (Recover, Soft-Boiled, etc.) should also have negative priority similarly to Teleport. The idea here is that this would remove situations where a faster but frail Pokémon, such as Magic Guard Alakazam, uses Recover to heal 50% (or less) and takes more than the amount healed in retaliation on the same turn. Negative priority would, at least mathematically, help recovery move users get the most out of each use of their healing as possible.

  • @GliscorCODM
    @GliscorCODM Месяц назад

    The Slow Family also like to sometimes be level 99/98/97 in singles to ensure they get the slower switch out
    (Very common in Gen 8 tournaments)

  • @Mx_E_is_me
    @Mx_E_is_me Месяц назад

    FalseSwipeGaming: “Speed isn’t everything”.
    Gen 1 Tauros: hold my beer.

  • @gauthamchandra2081
    @gauthamchandra2081 Месяц назад

    Weirdly, extreme "slowness" is the inverse of the speed theorem which can be argued to be a part of the "Why speed is nearly everything" theorem. It's only the mons that have middling speed that are neither fast or slow that suffer.

  • @DarkBlackGod14
    @DarkBlackGod14 Месяц назад +1

    When i hear "Game for children" about pokemon, i always remember videos like this one, whitch just show how 395D Chess of a geme Pokemon is.

  • @Xevn777
    @Xevn777 19 дней назад

    Aegislash used to have strategies revolving around being slower than opposing Aegislash to abuse its ability and stats to beat the other. I thought this was cool to learn about.

  • @davidpopolizio3781
    @davidpopolizio3781 Месяц назад

    The control of speed is the most important part of battles, at least in VGC.
    The turn order can completely change the outcome

    • @riccardocasu5576
      @riccardocasu5576 Месяц назад

      One of the most crazy speed tech I saw in VGC was using Pokémon with a neutral nature and a specific IVs (usually a middle ground) to keep the speed advantage against both standard variants of the Pokémon (using Trick Room) and Trick Room variants (outside Trick Room).
      The first was Ray Rizzo in the BW era with Metagross (Adamant 14 IV) (also part of a strategy with Cresselia that is exactly one point slower than Metagross. Protect + Trick Room, then Cresselia uses Swagger on Metagross, that heals with Lum Berry and start hitting things at +2 attack) and later was recycled by some players in formats where Primal Groudon was available (12-13 IV with neutral nature).

  • @MegaLEEDLE
    @MegaLEEDLE Месяц назад +1

    put fling on da slowbro wit a heavy ball

  • @GrouchyRaccoon
    @GrouchyRaccoon Месяц назад

    I used to run a hideous trick room belly drum Greedent set. It was gimmicky as anything but as soon as it was set up the battle was over.

  • @the_archwizard1083
    @the_archwizard1083 Месяц назад

    I'm surprised you didnt mention HIGH priority moves, one of the first lessons I learned and give is how a slow ratata can be better. Quick attack is just a weak move on the faster ratata but on the slower one it's a chance to move twice essentially. If you manage to pick up a ko this way the opponent's switch in even if faster has to manage the threat of High priority, regular priority or switch options.

  • @Ilikecheese-bx2ds
    @Ilikecheese-bx2ds Месяц назад +1

    Why size isn’t everything - the gamer theorem

  • @codemonkies
    @codemonkies Месяц назад

    Going second is an absolute god-send in the case where you team-build somewhat defensively pike i do, where tanks and bulky sweepers are vastly favored over pure sweepers

  • @ThePeasantRock16
    @ThePeasantRock16 Месяц назад +3

    Finally NOW WHERES POPULAR ISNT EVERYTHING THEOREM?!

    • @mrsuperheatran2794
      @mrsuperheatran2794 Месяц назад +1

      Charizard theorem. Dude sucks for a mon that's the golden child of pandering.

    • @ThePeasantRock16
      @ThePeasantRock16 Месяц назад

      @@mrsuperheatran2794 INDEED EVEN INCINEROAR SUCKS ASS

    • @june9914
      @june9914 Месяц назад

      @@mrsuperheatran2794at least he’s solid in some gen lower tiers with belly drum. I feel pikachu would be the better candidate, with nice contrast with eevee and clefable

    • @peepoweird
      @peepoweird Месяц назад

      Ah yes, the Mienshao theorem

    • @ThePeasantRock16
      @ThePeasantRock16 Месяц назад

      @@june9914 STILL FUCKIN SUCKS

  • @zacherytaylor
    @zacherytaylor Месяц назад +1

    ONE DAY THEY'LL COVER RELICANTH. AND I'LL BE THERE. JUST LIKE RELICANTH HAS BEEN IN THE OCEAN FOR MILLIONS OF YEARS. I. WILL. BE. HERE.

  • @seankeller1560
    @seankeller1560 28 дней назад

    This feels like why speed is everything part 2

  • @paulmann8570
    @paulmann8570 Месяц назад

    Tobybro: Oh yeah, it’s all coming together.

  • @TheTruePk2
    @TheTruePk2 Месяц назад

    Gen 5 using fusion bolt/flare after the other was really cool.
    I once had a battle where I faced a double NPC who used after you on my reshiram, used fusion flare, then I got a boosted fusion bolt and fusion flare.
    It's a shame the visual effect never continued

  • @ekman2095
    @ekman2095 Месяц назад +1

    There is always payback and avalanche who's negative prio and double damage if moving last

  • @biggswigg2613
    @biggswigg2613 Месяц назад

    Lagging Tail on Galarian Slowking means you always win mirrors. Final action in priority bracket means you always get the slow pivot. And higher natural speed means you win any damage races.

  • @sh0shin
    @sh0shin Месяц назад

    Worth noting that in speed tie metas like this where levels arent forced, you can run lvl 99 slowtwin or mirror match to guaranteed out slow a lvl 100

  • @banan9377
    @banan9377 Месяц назад

    don't know if I missed it being mentioned but sometimes having a level 99 pokemon to guarantee having a lower speed was an option that were used sometimes

  • @neduegeh5859
    @neduegeh5859 Месяц назад +1

    We need a video discussing 4 moveslot syndrome

  • @typemasters2871
    @typemasters2871 Месяц назад

    The importants of going second with some Pokemon is why we need an inverse of bottle caps to guarantee 0 IV
    0 speed to go second (or first in trick room)
    0 attack for special attackers who might become confused
    And I guess 0 Def, Sp. Def, and maybe HP if you want the Pokemon to lose a lot of HP in 1 turn (Counter/Mirror Coat) or for your Pokemon to quickly be at low HP (Endeavour, Pain Split, Destiny Bond)

  • @Adamzx1258
    @Adamzx1258 Месяц назад +1

    HELL YEA SLOWBRO MENTIONED 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @garryoak
    @garryoak Месяц назад +1

    Back in my days, I would run a bastiadon with metal burst. A full Xerneas counter, but the best part was the red card.

  • @not_relevant1353
    @not_relevant1353 Месяц назад

    Tbh, I feel like being slow is still a matter of speed mattering a lot. ‘Speed’ being the speed stat instead of just being fast.

  • @WolfHideANT
    @WolfHideANT 28 дней назад

    Breaks down strategies, super useful !!

  • @joshuaharmon6684
    @joshuaharmon6684 Месяц назад

    I remember the brief point in time when Galarian Slowpoke was OU, before the Isle of Armor DLC released.

  • @EnergyBurst2
    @EnergyBurst2 Месяц назад

    Slooooooow Down! You're movin' too fast, you gotta make the moment last!" - Bobobo-bo bobobo the Slowbo

  • @Eddie_Enfer
    @Eddie_Enfer Месяц назад +1

    Speed is almost everything, low or high

  • @neosuduno
    @neosuduno Месяц назад

    Fun fact, some Pokemon do not care if they go first or second. Annihilape is a fine example. If it goes first, it can taunt or bulk up. It goes second, it likely will take damage and power up Rage Fist. Monkey wins no matter what.

  • @zeRO-117
    @zeRO-117 Месяц назад

    Why nothing is ever anything- The False Swipe theorem. I swear I’ve seen a “Speed is everything,” video😂

  • @cwynwyn2934
    @cwynwyn2934 Месяц назад

    I adore chilly reception to bring out belly drum cetitan. it works 20% of the time but it's really funny

  • @Jaricko
    @Jaricko Месяц назад

    Sometimes slower is better. I actually try not to have a full team of fast pokemon as a rule. Additionally U-turn is one of those cases where being slow might be better. Slow bulky attacker U-turn like a scizor to soak a hit, give a hit and switch to gain momentum. Then you swap into something that the opponent might not be prepared for and press the advantage with a potential additional turn when they switch out or gain a favorable hit when they don't switch.

  • @playersnake
    @playersnake Месяц назад

    Perhaps the next theorem video could be why move sets (like mix attacking, fast physical, bulky special, etc) are close to everything or the Dragonite theorem

  • @luisgabcruz832
    @luisgabcruz832 Месяц назад

    A bit surprised that weather wars in Gen 5/6 wasn't mentioned, bur I guess that's because it's for doubles format. People be doing specific EVs/IVs for their Kyogre/Groudon to make sure their weather is the slower one so it would overwrite the opponent's faster weather. ☀️🌧️