Perhaps the next theorem video could be why move sets (like mix attacking, fast physical, bulky special, etc) are close to everything or the Dragonite theorem
For those unaware, Sashay in PBR uses stall sets when you fight her in the Masters Battle of Stargazer Colosseum. She uses Pokés like Confuse Ray-Sand Attack-Mean Look Umbreon, Double Team-Rest Registeel, and even a Subsititute-Spite-Swagger-Pressure Weavile, of all things. Her whole game is slowly PP stalling your Pokémon while you try not to throw your Wiimote through your television screen. Those two fights single-handedly taught me the value of Taunt.
Well when you consider stall’s absolute peak, you only have to look one tier lower in Gen 7. No Dug needed either. Absolutely horrifying Bliss-Alomomola-Unaware mon core. Worst of all Quag was innocent. They just replaced it with Pyukumuku and called it a day.
My most played metagame was Gen 7 UU, and nothing traumatized me more than seeing that stall core on the other side. Stall in Gen 7 UU is probably one of the strongest team styles in a Pokémon tier in history that didn’t involve something so hilariously broken that got banned.
The most engaging match I've ever watched as a stall v stall battle that went to 1000 turn draw. Watching both players switch around jockeying for position was genuinely incredibly fun.
@@Eroil I know, I just started listening and thought that it sounded like the type of obscure niche history that he would ramble on about for 30 minutes 😂
@@charlesbyrd2452 yeah I think he takes them more seriously as they're a job of his, for his own videos he just does whatever he wants for the most part lol, pretty sure he takes it as mostly a hobby and not a serious job
The only thing I dislike about stall players is how they're just fine stalling for 50+ turns but as soon as they feel like there's a gap in their defense, they just forfeit the game immediately. It's a waste of time for both players.
Thats only logical tbh. Their games take longer and they respect their own time too. Whether the other player is having fun is up to themself to control, not the stall player. I'd hate even more if they still switch around still being an ass.
when i am playing stall on ladder I am not here to respect you I am here to waste your time and yap at you the whole battle give me all the disrespect i deserve
Shoutouts to whomever had the bright idea to give Dugtrio of all Pokemon a 20 point boost to its base Attack in Gen 7. Imagine if Alolan Dugtrio had also gotten Arena Trap though.
@@danka1167 it's a shame because I always think about how cool it could be to have a trapping ability; basically forcing a Ko Everytime you come in similarly to first impression users. Then I get hit with the reality of how uncompetitive it can also be
I was at the forefront of banning all trapping abilities for YEARS by the time Arena Trap got banned, i made an enitre team abusing the hell out of trapping abilities just to prove how oppressive it was, and finally, it happened. I still remember the day Diglett replaced Dugtrio on SM Stall and feeling so damn validated...
apparently there were people using giga drain trapinch (no, i’m not kidding) back when arena trap was legal in early sword and shield ou because it could beat seismitoad aka the one dracovish counter in existence at the time
Honestly I can understand the appeal. Having a stall Pokemon just _feels_ clever. Like, instead of just going all out attack and stuff, like most Pokemon do, you go the defensive route. It feels good to have your opponents attacks do basically nothing while you slowly chip away at them, as if you somehow cheated the system lol. The only problem is that its infuriating for the opponent... I once battled against my brother using Defense-Form Deoxys and he got really frustrated and bored, so I felt bad about it. :(
Funny enough PP stallers have not very good patience. Recently I battled a guy on Showdown that tried to stall me, the battle drag for more than 60 turns and he had the battle won because I had no attack moves but used sword dance to stall turns and 20 turns later my opponent forfeited. I have more patience than stallers
I'm being fr when I say the comments were more engaging than the video. The sheer vitriol people have towards the playstyle roles back to being funny to me. Not that it's an unjust hatred or anything, but man, the levels people exaggerate it are eternally entertaining
Oh people complain about playstyles they hate all the time. If you want a game where Stall is completely unviable, look at YugiOh and how people there complain about how it's all about Hyper Offence nowadays. Basically people will always find a reason to complain, no matter what. Part of human nature really.
@@lizard1776yea, HO sure does suck, but like you said, it's quick. You do have the chance to use priority to pick a mon off or set up a d dance to counter sweep, but stall? 2 regenerator mons, a rest talker, 2 unaware mons like he'll no, gtfo. I'm here to have fun, not sit around while you do taxes on the side.
I think that the most infuriating playstyle in Pokemon is when the opponent comes to your house and starts viciously assaulting you until your timer runs out
Genuinely i don’t understand how you can hate playing stall. ‘I have better things to do’ you’re playing showdown, just click X and do the better things. And beating stall overtime is the most rewarding matchup in showdown, ig people prefer playing against HO, set up to die x5 then gambit sweeps
@@danka1167 most people don't like to be held in a single match for potentially over an hour. If a person is going to lose, it shouldn't really take that long.
@@watery2211 it's a pride thing. People who are into competitive games have some level of pride, some are just willing to swallow it others. Mind you, I don't really play competitive/pvp type games, so this is mostly what I've picked up from people who actually play. I probably would equate it to a boss with a cheap move/trick. It's not really that hard to beat, but the level of annoyance is mostly the issue.
I usually watch your videos at x2 speed because I feel like you speak a bit too slow for my hyperactive brain; but just for this one I commited to the bit and played it normal speed. Glory to big stall.
On paper, Fezandipiti looks like the ideal stallbreaker, packing Taunt and Toxic (Chain) to mess with walls as well as Roost for recovery and U-turn to pivot. But its only stat above 100 being Special Defense and Poison/Fairy leaving it weak to both Great Tusk and Kingambit, 2 of the most used Pokemon in OU, as well as being useless against Gholdengo without Heat Wave really puts a damper on it.
I love stall - I remember being like 10 and laughing playing Pokemon stadium 2 beating my friends using only a single Chansey with double team, softboiled, toxic, and submission
My main complaint with stall players is the fact that by extending the game to ridiculous lengths and giving you multiple chances to throw out attacks: they have the audacity to complain about crits and hax. Your strategy literally creates more opportunities for me to hax you with a random crit. It's your fault for losing to it. I also just couldn't stand the insane scald rng cause by virtue of battles going on for a while: burns would be almost guaranteed at one point and this led to a lot of frustation.
any stall player whining about hax is not a true player of stall, you play for 200 turns you accept that you are gonna get crit. if you don't wanna make that deal go play ho
@@alextintyrn291 iam not complaining about crits iam complaing about oneshots is not the same if you have a long battle even pokemon with low crit rate will eventually crit what my complain is about, is some pokemons stats being crazy high also some natures are just superior. crits ignore stats for a reason so even pokemons with high defence plus status moves can be counter and that is ok. i just dont think someone should be able to oneshot someone at the first turn because power creep go brrrrr
@isaacribeiro6823 oh man, it sure sucks you can't switch, or terastalise. It sure would be nice if there was an item to give you a speed boost to go first, or priority moves. Even if there were abilities or types that nullified moves that would help too. Why not advocate for evasion to be legal since you love stall so much. Let's see you wall something you can't hit. Its not broken tho, just run aerial ace on everything or swift. There's two ways around it so don't complain. Sounds dumb right? That's your own logic.
@@sleazymeezy There is a reason why Moody got gutted and One hit ko moves, Sand veil and Snow cloak are banned, while stall remains largely untouched, one is pure luck and is just "oh that happens" while the other is an actual playstyle.
Ultra Sun and Moon were great metagames after this period though. Knock off spam being a lot weaker as well as the Megas and Z-moves made for a really fun metagame. Mag was a bit much but overall it was a great meta
The ONE TIME, I don't fully prepare for stall is always the time that my best friend makes a stall team and I have to sit there and watch myself slowly die.
Perhaps the next theorem video could be why move sets (like mix attacking, fast physical, bulky special, etc) are close to everything or the Dragonite theorem
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I want to see another ‘Why X is NOT everything’, to be honest.
Don't forget when vanilla Sun and Moon was the last time where the life bar goes slow for every leftover recovery or u got leech seeded and you got chip damage for weather effects.
I really like your non-"how good was x"-thumbnails. They're different and yet fit perfectly into this channel and are entertaining on their own (most of the time). Great SpongeBob reference
One of my fondest memories is sweeping an Ubers Stall team with a shell smash Minior. The other guy had no idea what its ability did, so he switched around to try and do something as I got to +6.
Had a Stall player who whines about hax when I crit his Quagsire with a crit Earthquake from Mega Garchomp. Was one of the most entertaining moments I’ve experienced in Showdown ever.
It’s funny because design wise one reason crits exist and function like they do is to discourage stall specifically. It rewards more aggressive play and discourages stall, because the more you attack, the more likely you’ll eventually hit a critical that can matter. If you’re expecting to take dozens of hits, you need to be prepared for a few crits among them
The best strategy to use against stall players is to forfeit at team preview. If we all do that then they'll get bored of not actually being able to battle anyone, and will then use a different team. At the very least it means I don't waste any time slamming my face against a brick wall.
Stall is so incredibly anti fun. I dont feel outplayed, i don't feel out built, i feel the dread of knowing i have to be here for the next hour. Stall is the sole reason i went doubles over singles. Anymore i queue into stall in singles i just ff. I can get my mmr back, i cant get my hour back.
One of the most satisfying things, are those crits against stall players that have just switched, recovered, repeat - you call the switch, you get a crit with a super effective hit and a core piece goes down. Then they moan about it, not realising the main point of crits is to handle bulky-walls and -sweepers from becoming to overbearing
With how pokemon focuses on triads for typing, it feels like it will deal with the same thing that TCGs have. You end up with aggro, control, midrange, and combo. It blurs a little more because everything wants to focus on combo to some extend, but most mons and groupings seem to fit well.
Now I want to get back to working on my False Stall team, it included only Pokemon like Toxipex (everyone forgets about Merciless) and Carbink but it was all hyper offense builds. Everyone would usually lead with Taunts or Encores only to get hit straight to the face
@@yeet8036 setup isn’t mindless either by that logic, I was just pointing out the logical fallacy of calling out a lack of intelligence in a strategy that doesn’t foolish waste everyone’s time vs a strategy that is literally a synonym for “extend beyond normal time. “ stall isn’t some high brow megamind play. The developers have been reducing stalls power for generations because of how brainlessly powerful and unfun it is. Hyper-offense might not be a genius tester but it’s intelligent enough to respect your time. Maybe YOUR time has no value but that’s not common
@@Skullhawk13 "Maybe your time has no value but that's not common" I don't even play stall. You're replying to every comment under this video and how you hate certain playstyle in video game. I think you have enough free time.
The problem I think is how suspect test and banning works. It is often easy for an offensive threat to be deemed "no counter" if it by definition, requires only one turn of setup and blow through everything and has an answer for unaware pokemon, but it's much more difficult to ban stall playstyle, which may involve complex bans. What also doesn't help is how trappers work. Encore Wobbuffet and Trick Gothittelle can force a stall mon out or make it much less useful, but shadow tag is too universal and quickly banned, Magnezone is too specific which enables Skarmory to legitimately run shed shell and not at a disadvantage, that leaves Dugtrio, a mon that deals with offense much better than stall.
You make the suspect assumption that stall players are having “fun”, and are not just soulless automatons who just click buttons and also probably pour the milk in before their cereal.
@@cylland5060H0 is over quickly. If you dislike the matchup it’s almost immediately over cause you stop it or lose. It’s like comparing a 30 meter sprint vs Usain Bolt to a marathon against a bronze medalist. One is over right away you move on, the other lasts so long you’re sore and irritable.
Stall players really out here extending the battle past 100 turns but then get insanely mad when one critical hit occurs. Like sorry maybe don't waste time next time 🤷♀️
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Perhaps the next theorem video could be why move sets (like mix attacking, fast physical, bulky special, etc) are close to everything or the Dragonite theorem
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@@playersnake Then we can get why Natures are Everthing-The Chansey/ Blissey Theorem!
"a great offense is a great defense"- the stall player after taking 40 minutes to kill off a single mon on the opposing side
Nah the best defense is a good defense
Offense, as in "insult".
@@magicfish8213 ManDJTV reference?
@@darthrevan5609 Sure, why not
Hey, i dont mind, i dont have anything better to do today.
Do you know why hyper-offense players dislike public bathrooms?
It's full of stalls.
Really enjoyed this prelude to "How GREAT was Dugtrio ACTUALLY? - History of Dugtrio in Competitive Pokemon"
On the topic of Dugtrio, I think the way its heads bounce around starting with Gen 6 looks like anime tiddy bouncing.
Great pfp, Kurumi is Best Girl.
For those unaware, Sashay in PBR uses stall sets when you fight her in the Masters Battle of Stargazer Colosseum. She uses Pokés like Confuse Ray-Sand Attack-Mean Look Umbreon, Double Team-Rest Registeel, and even a Subsititute-Spite-Swagger-Pressure Weavile, of all things. Her whole game is slowly PP stalling your Pokémon while you try not to throw your Wiimote through your television screen.
Those two fights single-handedly taught me the value of Taunt.
They somehow created something worse than lovrina in orre coliseum in gale of darkness
Not to mention Will-O-Wisp, Double Team, Shadow Force Giratina-A.
Heh "pp"
@TSfish94 you forgot that person in coliseum first game with the gligar
That is why I raised No Guard Machamp. Screw the RNG abuse.
Now I get it. This team is what made Primeape angry enough to evolve into something which can destroy stall if they aren’t careful.
Well when you consider stall’s absolute peak, you only have to look one tier lower in Gen 7. No Dug needed either. Absolutely horrifying Bliss-Alomomola-Unaware mon core.
Worst of all Quag was innocent. They just replaced it with Pyukumuku and called it a day.
yup, I was really surprised they didn't mention UU
That’s where I thought this video was going, tbh.
It seems like they were focused on OU, given their honorable mentions. They might not have even looked at lower tiers.
My most played metagame was Gen 7 UU, and nothing traumatized me more than seeing that stall core on the other side. Stall in Gen 7 UU is probably one of the strongest team styles in a Pokémon tier in history that didn’t involve something so hilariously broken that got banned.
I had no idea at that during the era of 6 gen that Dugtrio was "R" rated; my poison weak faires would have loved to have conspire together
I love when stall players complain about hax
I love when covert cloak prevents hax.
I play temtem what is this rng you speak of?
@@Interiorcrocodilealigator10838 that doesn't adjust being crit in the face, we roll for those
I remember playing a gen 6 UU match against a stall player and dude flipped on missing both blizzard and toxic
Then they ban sleep cause because it's "unfair". Like good job guys.
The most engaging match I've ever watched as a stall v stall battle that went to 1000 turn draw. Watching both players switch around jockeying for position was genuinely incredibly fun.
Smeargle is one of my favorite wall busters out there.
Mean look, imprison, transform. Watch the wall break itself down struggling.
What about when they status you on the first turn and win the 1v1 :(
Why not use Mew, they get all 3 of those moves aswell but have far better stats
@@mhx5071Yes. And Mew is not that demon Smeargle.
@@mhx5071 Because smeargle still works in no-legendady battles:P
then they switch out and you die from transform doesn't-copy-hp syndrome
"lol you only know how to play stall, you suck so much"
- my opponent as I was in the process of setting up a Curse sweep with my Alolan Muk
As soon as early gen 7 got mentioned I already knew bkc wrote this
Lmao yeah but he writes everything besides the VGC sections, afaik
@@Eroil I know, I just started listening and thought that it sounded like the type of obscure niche history that he would ramble on about for 30 minutes 😂
@@Eroil I also like how his videos for FSG are probably the most written/planned video he makes 😂
@@charlesbyrd2452 yeah I think he takes them more seriously as they're a job of his, for his own videos he just does whatever he wants for the most part lol, pretty sure he takes it as mostly a hobby and not a serious job
@@Eroil and that's why we love him!
That thumbnail though.
WEE WOO WEE WOO
The maniac's in the mailbox!
He's on the corner of Conch and Coral
Huh, this guy's not half-bad-looking for a stall-maniac. Wait a minute, Char, I'm the stall-maniac!
To be fair Blissey does look like an “open window maniac”
The "cute" "inoffensive" type is the worst kind of maniac :P
The only thing I dislike about stall players is how they're just fine stalling for 50+ turns but as soon as they feel like there's a gap in their defense, they just forfeit the game immediately. It's a waste of time for both players.
Thats only logical tbh. Their games take longer and they respect their own time too. Whether the other player is having fun is up to themself to control, not the stall player. I'd hate even more if they still switch around still being an ass.
To be fair, if you see you are on a losing position, why stall more?
@@xaropevic7918 you could at least give the other player the satisfaction of winning
@@fiddlechrome Nah xD
@@GspoinkPlaying stall in the first is not respecting opponent’s time
I like to think that stall just checks to see if you have a pokemon or two with taunt.
Now in gen 9, Gholdengo strangles stall by merely existing, and stall wants to tera every mon to check offense.
Blissey, the ultimate pink blob of menacing proportions! It's a stall order but, should be manageable.
The theme of this video is that we should all fear the Eldritch monstrosity known as Dugtrio
So we never saw its lower half because we cannot comprehend it?
Amazing Thumbnail.
How did this comment get buried?
Stall must be respected when team building and disrespected when played
As someone who likes to use stall at times, I agree (interpreting ‘disrespected’ as disrupting setup).
This is true on all levels
when i am playing stall on ladder I am not here to respect you I am here to waste your time and yap at you the whole battle give me all the disrespect i deserve
@@alextintyrn291lol I'd just report you and have you muted. Or /ignore works if it's not worth bothering the mods.
A play style so infuriating that Gamefreak has been doing everything in its power to nerf it over the generations.
We essentially just got a "how good was Dugtrio actually (gen 7)" video disguised as a video about stall. Clever, FSG very clever!
Shoutouts to whomever had the bright idea to give Dugtrio of all Pokemon a 20 point boost to its base Attack in Gen 7.
Imagine if Alolan Dugtrio had also gotten Arena Trap though.
ikr!
The entire concept of arena trap is probably the most brainless ability in pokemon history. Same with shadow tag
@@danka1167 *laughs in Incineroar*
@@danka1167honestly trapping is pretty cool in VGC, and quite niche. In singles yeah it's uncompetitive in most formats.
@@danka1167 it's a shame because I always think about how cool it could be to have a trapping ability; basically forcing a Ko Everytime you come in similarly to first impression users. Then I get hit with the reality of how uncompetitive it can also be
I find volt-turn spam more annoying, especially when it debuted in gen 5.
Thankfully Garchomp put an end to that bs.
I ran the stall team with Dugtrio ONCE in Gen 7 and I've felt guilty ever since...
I was at the forefront of banning all trapping abilities for YEARS by the time Arena Trap got banned, i made an enitre team abusing the hell out of trapping abilities just to prove how oppressive it was, and finally, it happened. I still remember the day Diglett replaced Dugtrio on SM Stall and feeling so damn validated...
Magnet Pull is balanced at least
apparently there were people using giga drain trapinch (no, i’m not kidding) back when arena trap was legal in early sword and shield ou because it could beat seismitoad aka the one dracovish counter in existence at the time
@@benross9174 Mainly because of course its only meant to target steel types
Honestly I can understand the appeal. Having a stall Pokemon just _feels_ clever. Like, instead of just going all out attack and stuff, like most Pokemon do, you go the defensive route. It feels good to have your opponents attacks do basically nothing while you slowly chip away at them, as if you somehow cheated the system lol.
The only problem is that its infuriating for the opponent... I once battled against my brother using Defense-Form Deoxys and he got really frustrated and bored, so I felt bad about it. :(
I swear the ad breaks are completely out of left field. At least it wasn’t manscaped this time, thank God.
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Funny enough PP stallers have not very good patience. Recently I battled a guy on Showdown that tried to stall me, the battle drag for more than 60 turns and he had the battle won because I had no attack moves but used sword dance to stall turns and 20 turns later my opponent forfeited. I have more patience than stallers
Bro forgor he was playing stall and didn't realise it took literal hours to win lol
I really wish Toxapex was never a stall Pokemon so that nobody hates it for that. Its just such a cool Pokemon.
I can see why stall is infuriating. It is a true test of patience.
I remember I used screech duggy specifically to bop chansey
I also ran adamant charizard x with swords dance to beat stall as well. Good times
I like the artist youve hired to do your thumbnails, its so cute :)
This might be the most divisive I've even seen an FSG comment section. You either hate stall or love it.
I'm being fr when I say the comments were more engaging than the video. The sheer vitriol people have towards the playstyle roles back to being funny to me.
Not that it's an unjust hatred or anything, but man, the levels people exaggerate it are eternally entertaining
I think it's cause stall itself is so polarizing. Hyper offense is also bad, but it's quick and manageable. Stall is a slow pain lol
Oh people complain about playstyles they hate all the time. If you want a game where Stall is completely unviable, look at YugiOh and how people there complain about how it's all about Hyper Offence nowadays. Basically people will always find a reason to complain, no matter what. Part of human nature really.
@@lizard1776yea, HO sure does suck, but like you said, it's quick. You do have the chance to use priority to pick a mon off or set up a d dance to counter sweep, but stall? 2 regenerator mons, a rest talker, 2 unaware mons like he'll no, gtfo. I'm here to have fun, not sit around while you do taxes on the side.
I think that the most infuriating playstyle in Pokemon is when the opponent comes to your house and starts viciously assaulting you until your timer runs out
Ah, yes when I used a Rest Talk Dondozo to end a game after 80 rounds on Showdown. Good times.
I get playing stall on a tournament or something. But loading stall regularly on ladder and having multuple battles with +200 turns is quite sad ngl
seriously who has THIS much time to waste, and is evil enough to waste the other player's time too
It's funny tho
@@andrewshotathompson5116
RUclips on a second tab. It's pretty relaxing, whether you play stall or AGAINST stall
how else do they practice the team? You won't always have the luxury of having someone help you, so they gotta make do with ladder
there's nothing more satisfying than finally beating stall teams
Genuinely i don’t understand how you can hate playing stall. ‘I have better things to do’ you’re playing showdown, just click X and do the better things. And beating stall overtime is the most rewarding matchup in showdown, ig people prefer playing against HO, set up to die x5 then gambit sweeps
@danka1167 Because some people have a job. If you wanna sit on the computer all day for +11 elo then go for it.
@@danka1167 most people don't like to be held in a single match for potentially over an hour. If a person is going to lose, it shouldn't really take that long.
@@absollumthen forfeit and queue another game. No point in doing something that isn't fun for you. People make it like you are forced to play
@@watery2211 it's a pride thing. People who are into competitive games have some level of pride, some are just willing to swallow it others.
Mind you, I don't really play competitive/pvp type games, so this is mostly what I've picked up from people who actually play. I probably would equate it to a boss with a cheap move/trick. It's not really that hard to beat, but the level of annoyance is mostly the issue.
Stall: "its not about me winning, its about making sure you dont"
Alternative title: “why Gen 7 dugtrio was broken”
I usually watch your videos at x2 speed because I feel like you speak a bit too slow for my hyperactive brain; but just for this one I commited to the bit and played it normal speed. Glory to big stall.
On paper, Fezandipiti looks like the ideal stallbreaker, packing Taunt and Toxic (Chain) to mess with walls as well as Roost for recovery and U-turn to pivot. But its only stat above 100 being Special Defense and Poison/Fairy leaving it weak to both Great Tusk and Kingambit, 2 of the most used Pokemon in OU, as well as being useless against Gholdengo without Heat Wave really puts a damper on it.
Fezandipiti the pink dino-stork
Bro got that Gen 1 stat spread
Fezandipiti getting the Articuno stats with none of the good parts of Articuno is absolutely vile tbh
What was Gamefreak thinking!?
Thats why its in RU where it does pretty well lol. Tiers are a thing
I love stall - I remember being like 10 and laughing playing Pokemon stadium 2 beating my friends using only a single Chansey with double team, softboiled, toxic, and submission
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Thumbnail is top tier ngl
Love these playstyle-focused videos and the history behind them. Would love to see a video about why Grass/Fire/Water cores are so commonly used.
My main complaint with stall players is the fact that by extending the game to ridiculous lengths and giving you multiple chances to throw out attacks: they have the audacity to complain about crits and hax.
Your strategy literally creates more opportunities for me to hax you with a random crit. It's your fault for losing to it.
I also just couldn't stand the insane scald rng cause by virtue of battles going on for a while: burns would be almost guaranteed at one point and this led to a lot of frustation.
also being oneshot is no fun is it?
any stall player whining about hax is not a true player of stall, you play for 200 turns you accept that you are gonna get crit. if you don't wanna make that deal go play ho
@@alextintyrn291 iam not complaining about crits iam complaing about oneshots is not the same if you have a long battle even pokemon with low crit rate will eventually crit what my complain is about, is some pokemons stats being crazy high also some natures are just superior. crits ignore stats for a reason so even pokemons with high defence plus status moves can be counter and that is ok. i just dont think someone should be able to oneshot someone at the first turn because power creep go brrrrr
@isaacribeiro6823 oh man, it sure sucks you can't switch, or terastalise. It sure would be nice if there was an item to give you a speed boost to go first, or priority moves. Even if there were abilities or types that nullified moves that would help too.
Why not advocate for evasion to be legal since you love stall so much. Let's see you wall something you can't hit. Its not broken tho, just run aerial ace on everything or swift. There's two ways around it so don't complain.
Sounds dumb right? That's your own logic.
@@sleazymeezy There is a reason why Moody got gutted and One hit ko moves, Sand veil and Snow cloak are banned, while stall remains largely untouched, one is pure luck and is just "oh that happens" while the other is an actual playstyle.
I would love a video on the history of hyper-offense
Ultra Sun and Moon were great metagames after this period though. Knock off spam being a lot weaker as well as the Megas and Z-moves made for a really fun metagame. Mag was a bit much but overall it was a great meta
Whoever made the thumbnail deserves a raise.
The ONE TIME, I don't fully prepare for stall is always the time that my best friend makes a stall team and I have to sit there and watch myself slowly die.
Perhaps the next theorem video could be why move sets (like mix attacking, fast physical, bulky special, etc) are close to everything or the Dragonite theorem
I want to see another ‘Why X is NOT everything’, to be honest.
Don't forget when vanilla Sun and Moon was the last time where the life bar goes slow for every leftover recovery or u got leech seeded and you got chip damage for weather effects.
Mega Sableye, my absolutely beloathed
The peak of stall was when in competitive tournaments the strategy was just about time and waiting for the timer to end.
I really like your non-"how good was x"-thumbnails.
They're different and yet fit perfectly into this channel and are entertaining on their own (most of the time).
Great SpongeBob reference
Stall is so frustrating, but meme edits make them entertaining
One of my fondest memories is sweeping an Ubers Stall team with a shell smash Minior. The other guy had no idea what its ability did, so he switched around to try and do something as I got to +6.
Had a Stall player who whines about hax when I crit his Quagsire with a crit Earthquake from Mega Garchomp. Was one of the most entertaining moments I’ve experienced in Showdown ever.
It’s funny because design wise one reason crits exist and function like they do is to discourage stall specifically. It rewards more aggressive play and discourages stall, because the more you attack, the more likely you’ll eventually hit a critical that can matter. If you’re expecting to take dozens of hits, you need to be prepared for a few crits among them
People who play Stall deserve that neither side of their pillow are cold at night.
Sfagon in a nutshell.
We do lol❤❤
The best strategy to use against stall players is to forfeit at team preview. If we all do that then they'll get bored of not actually being able to battle anyone, and will then use a different team. At the very least it means I don't waste any time slamming my face against a brick wall.
only place thats fun to do is dark souls
@@gregorymirabella1423 That’s honestly a really good idea. Best way to beat stall is by not playing against it in the first place.
If I'm high on the ladder I don't want to automatically go down by giving up
@@cmoney8979 just win the next one after that.
@@sparkleseverywhere at least dark souls lets you use cheese strats.
considering this was about the peak of stall I think your next video should be the peak of hyper offence or balance
OGs remember when the thumbnail was blissey
I just love the thumbnail man hahhaah
Stall is so incredibly anti fun. I dont feel outplayed, i don't feel out built, i feel the dread of knowing i have to be here for the next hour. Stall is the sole reason i went doubles over singles. Anymore i queue into stall in singles i just ff. I can get my mmr back, i cant get my hour back.
I was starting to think this video was "How good was Dugtrio ACTUALLY?" with how much time got spent on discussing its nuances.
An entire video about stall without a single mention of pif's multi generation stranglehold on UU
One of the most satisfying things, are those crits against stall players that have just switched, recovered, repeat - you call the switch, you get a crit with a super effective hit and a core piece goes down.
Then they moan about it, not realising the main point of crits is to handle bulky-walls and -sweepers from becoming to overbearing
Surprise, secretly a Dugtrio video.
Few things are more satisfying than successful Medicham HJK on a ferro, Skarm, blissy or chansey.
Amazing thumbnail. Give your artist an extra doubloon
A poketuber getting an underwear sponsor 👀-surprised, shock, and impressed.
Sometimes when I am having a rough day, I like loading stall and seeing how it breaks down someone's spirit.
Essentially “How GREAT was Arena Trap ACTUALLY?”
With how pokemon focuses on triads for typing, it feels like it will deal with the same thing that TCGs have. You end up with aggro, control, midrange, and combo. It blurs a little more because everything wants to focus on combo to some extend, but most mons and groupings seem to fit well.
I like stall just because the feeling of withstanding stuff is good
The thumbnails of these videos are getting more and more clever.
How come the thumbnail was changed from blissey to clodsire?
EDIT: WAIT NOW IT'S BLISSEY AGAIN
Now I want to get back to working on my False Stall team, it included only Pokemon like Toxipex (everyone forgets about Merciless) and Carbink but it was all hyper offense builds. Everyone would usually lead with Taunts or Encores only to get hit straight to the face
Ah its anways fun to build a stall team and get death threats
People when they can’t just spam mindlessly spam setup sweepers and instantly win against stall:
…you think mindlessly clicking recover is more sophisticated?
@@Skullhawk13stall isnt about mindlessly clicking recover but sure.
@@yeet8036 setup isn’t mindless either by that logic, I was just pointing out the logical fallacy of calling out a lack of intelligence in a strategy that doesn’t foolish waste everyone’s time vs a strategy that is literally a synonym for “extend beyond normal time. “ stall isn’t some high brow megamind play. The developers have been reducing stalls power for generations because of how brainlessly powerful and unfun it is. Hyper-offense might not be a genius tester but it’s intelligent enough to respect your time. Maybe YOUR time has no value but that’s not common
@@Skullhawk13 did u lost to stall today why you hate it so much
@@Skullhawk13
"Maybe your time has no value but that's not common" I don't even play stall.
You're replying to every comment under this video and how you hate certain playstyle in video game. I think you have enough free time.
BKC gonna make another video because the mention of gsc being called stall
That thumbnail lol😂😂😂
STILL waiting for “How Good Was Amoonguss Actually…”
The problem I think is how suspect test and banning works. It is often easy for an offensive threat to be deemed "no counter" if it by definition, requires only one turn of setup and blow through everything and has an answer for unaware pokemon, but it's much more difficult to ban stall playstyle, which may involve complex bans.
What also doesn't help is how trappers work. Encore Wobbuffet and Trick Gothittelle can force a stall mon out or make it much less useful, but shadow tag is too universal and quickly banned, Magnezone is too specific which enables Skarmory to legitimately run shed shell and not at a disadvantage, that leaves Dugtrio, a mon that deals with offense much better than stall.
18:24 LMFAO What?!
Gen 7 UU stall was also incredibly amazing
Ah stall the "only I am allowed to have fun" strategy
You make the suspect assumption that stall players are having “fun”, and are not just soulless automatons who just click buttons and also probably pour the milk in before their cereal.
Is that why they stall, because they need time to learn how to properly prepare cereal?
The same can be said towards HO with all the most broken sweepers in the game
@@cylland5060H0 is over quickly. If you dislike the matchup it’s almost immediately over cause you stop it or lose. It’s like comparing a 30 meter sprint vs Usain Bolt to a marathon against a bronze medalist. One is over right away you move on, the other lasts so long you’re sore and irritable.
@@cylland5060 that’s a quick match. Not an hour long exercise in frustration
I'd like to see a video on sun, sand, or hail teams!
Yes, we needed more balls advertisements, its been a while.
Let’s go with a rain team next video
Dragalge, magcargo, drifblim or rotom and all of his forms! 💪💪💪
This was a fun watch! 💜
As someone that loved stall on Gen 6 and 7, this is nostalgic hahah. I don't like how hyper offensive was Pokémon in Gen 8.
Because you started to lose the moment the game forced you to use your brain u bum
I miss Mega Sableye not because of stall.
I miss it because it let Sableye be viable.
Stall players really out here extending the battle past 100 turns but then get insanely mad when one critical hit occurs. Like sorry maybe don't waste time next time 🤷♀️
Stall is definitely the equivalent of camping in FPS games.
Both scream "I have a small dlck and don't have a job!. Suffer with me".
No camping can be justified if it’s a defensive mode. Stall is never justified.
Ooh, I'd love to hear about the history of rain teams. You know it's a wacky strategy if it makes Luvdisc viablw
You never fail to deliver thank you
Didn't know FSG was into breakcore music. Much appreciated