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Mega Charizard X is my favorite Mega, so i hope it never exists at the same time as Gouging Fire because it gets outclassed by it. The only way they could make it even is if Megas could hold an item, wich is never going to happen for balance purposes.
@@LukeA471Game Freak doesn't want fast Spore users. Every Pokémon that has Spore is either slow (75 Speed or lower) or has an ability that makes it not go first (Mycelium Might)
@@LukeA471 Breloom's (Omega) Ruby Pokedex entry states that it's light on its feet. Trailblaze's move description mentions light footwork boosts the user's Speed. Gamefreak should have given Trailblaze to Breloom because both descriptions fit.
It's a dark day when Speed Boost Blaziken gets buffed and STILL falls off. Gen 9 has burned our crops, poisoned our water supply, and delivered a plague on our metagames.
Check gen 8 UUBL. Blaziken, former Uber. Terrakion, former Uber. Aegislash, former Uber. Latios, former Uber. Gen 9 just switch from a shovel to a drill when burying these guys
@@KaysonVanOrman-ef4kuTerrakion was never Uber to begin with, started of OU and then UU and UUBL, it was tested in Gen 5 but didnt get banned, and also fell off in usage in gen 5
@@KaysonVanOrman-ef4kuTerrakion fell off in the same gen its peaked at, Latios was only UBER thanks to Soul Dew, Blaziken is just easier to handle with Z moves gone and defensive Pokemon just generally getting better, and Aegislash gets its stats and it's signature move nerfed
@naganut9718 okay that's not true about latios, latias is legal in Gen 4 OU with soul dew banned, but latios remains banned because it's way too powerful. In generations 5 and 6 it's legal in OU with soul dew banned. Pre nerf, Soul dew was basically treated how mega stones would end up being treated, with volatios holding it being functionally a different mon by tiering
Keep in mind that Breloom was used to advertise the Loaded Dice item in one of the Scarlet/Violet trailers. It’s still a good item to guarantee harder hitting Bullet Seeds, but because of how frail Breloom is, it likes Focus Sash’s safety net.
I am both Loaded Dice and Breloom's biggest advertiser but I have to agree, even when I'm using that set just cuz I like it I would prefer sash. Breloom just isn't bulky enough
Breloom and Gastrodon being given new moves and being sent to an insanely powerful tier is like giving a child a shotgun and asking them to kill a grizzly bear with it.
Brelooms fall really is mainly due to the sleep ban though. It no longer having the threat of potential sleep meant that it wasn't nearly as scary. The reason the sleepless sets worked so well was because you couldn't be certain it wasn't packing sleep until it was too late. It was holding it's tiering until the sleep ban which is all the evidence needed that the sleep ban is what killed it.
@@dbt4869 Yes but he only started falling in tiers AFTER sleep was banned because he no longer could bluff the threaten of sleep which is what made him better. Losing sleep is what caused him to drop despite the buffs he got.
@@dbt4869 Yes, but seeing a Breloom that has the potential to put you to sleep is much more threatening than a Breloom that you know can't sleep you at all.
Not to mention Recover stall was nerfed, and other bulky Ground types like Great Tusk and Clodsire offer more with either better offenses or unique niches (e.g., poison/absorbing T-spikes)
Its kinda funny when you consider that keeping Scald boosted, of all Pokemon, ALOMOMOLA to OU status alongside Flip Turn access. (Though keeping Toxic didn't really save Umbreon, well not yet, given its actually projected to become RU from its current NU placing like it has been for the last few gens) Mola and Primarina becoming OU is something I never really expected but I appreciate it I guess.
@@CoffeeFlavoredMilk no Ferrothorn helped out Primarina(& Alolomola) nicely. Meanwhile Incineroar is NU(was RU last gen) & Decidueye is PU(was NU last gen).
@@CoffeeFlavoredMilkHonestly scald isn't even what made it great actually. It's a relatively hard move to click in a waterpon and kyurem meta. Flip turn + wish is the absurd thing.
I mean, it was so clearly designed to be a VGC pokemon I'm not surprised. Prankster Tailwind, double hitting 100bp speed dropping signature move, and good general bulk, with that much support under its belt, they couldn't buff it in any way that actually mattered for singles.
@@Endershock1678I was thinking the same thing. It makes sense that Tornadus is garbage in singles, but it’s a monster in VGC and really doesn’t need any help. Sure, you could give it all kinds of good special moves for singles (although Flying STAB has it pretty bad unless they give it Aeroblast), but then it just becomes better at randomly OHKOing stuff in VGC in addition to its insane support capabilities. No thanks.
@vaporeonice3146 Thing is, it's not even garbage in Singles, at least it wasn't For the longest time it trended towards RUBL and was perfectly fine as it still was a strong and fast Flying type with decent bulk and pretty good movepool. It may have been the weakest of the Genies, but it was definitely workable in Singles, power creep just hit it really hard
From getting Close Combat and Gunk Shot as your high BP moves and also getting Pounce to lower the opponent's Speed to fire off "fast" Spores and Aerial Ace which is boosted by Technician and doesn't miss
Is each shot of bullet seed stronger becuz of technician boost? Making the move stronger than 125 power if all 5 hits of the bullets land? What would the full power be if so? What is the 25 power of a single seed boosted too?
@@bigtoblerone8446Each hit gets the 50% boost, so 37.5 BP that averages to around 112.5 BP and has a max output of 187.5 BP. In Gen V it was discovered that gems also boost the power of each individual move meaning Grass Gem Technician averaged around 168.75 BP with a max of 281.25 BP. It was a big reason why gems were banned along with the usual Volcarona/Cloyster shenanigans.
Gamefreak really messed up when they made Aeroblast Lugia's signature move. So many Flying types are begging for a good Flying Type special attack, but Gamefreak refuses to deliver.
yeah, but then again special attacking flying types are a rarity, many that get introduced are physical attackers, but you are right on the lack of special flying moves as you have air slash which is lacking and hurricane which is strong but inaccurate outside of rain
Funny, the title has a double meaning~ Not only that these are _more_ pokemon that were buffed but it didn't help, but these pokemon were also buffed _more_ then the previous episode but to no avail!
plenty of mons lost those moves since this was mainly targeted towards VGC to not make stall too tough since the timer for online battles being locked to 20 minutes. cause keep in mind that a lot more attention is centered around the official VGC doubles format of 4v4 and not to unofficial 6v6 singles
Breloom should've gotten Trailblaze. It is STAB, it's boosted by Technician, and it raises Breloom's poor speed! I'm certain it wouldn't have made it Broken, but I think it would've helped it out.
@@deeznoots6241 Except in current gen 9 singles in Smogon sleep is banned, and in VGC Breloom is pretty frail as already faster Pokémon could easily take it out before it can get fast enough to be a problem. But you aren't wrong, as Wolf recently showed how dangerous fast spore could be. But, Breloom would need a safe turn to set it up first still.
@@pmdlord7237 singles isn’t managed by Pokemon, they care more about VGC, and in vgc sleep isn’t restricted in any way(which required dark void to be nerfed in the game before), there are plenty of ways to get a free turn in VGC like fake out and follow me
I love how FSG originally praised these buffs when they were first introduced, but those buffs eventually became obsolete and here we are. Just goes to show how much gen 9 has raised the bar for ou potential pokemon so much so that some pokemon just can't handle it anymore, no matter how much buffs you give it.
Tyranitar was in the last video, but I'll mention it here. The buff it needs isn't to it's own kit, but to the environment around it. Sun has an entire subset of legendaries dedicated to abusing it, Rain has more pokemon than any other weather with an ability meant to synergize with rain, its power to give multiple focus blast tier moves unmissable accuracy, and its defensive utility makingthe best defensive type in the game, Steel, even stronger. And Snow has Aurora Veil and can be set up by a switch move, which can position set up ice types amazingly for sweeps. Tyranitar is the king of sand, but with only one meaningful sand rush abuser in Excadrill and one meaningful Sand Force user in Garchomp, neither of whom benefit from the spdef boost sand gives to rock types, and both of whom have fallen off themselves in Gen 9. The chip damage used to be a great source of extra utility, adding Magic Guard pokemon into the ranks of its weather abusers and shutting down opposing Focus Sash mons, along with increasing the pressure that hazards could apply. But with Zam and Reuniclus also falling of, and Heavy Duty Boots making hazards less relevant as well as being one of the many items in the past two generations that have crowded out Focus Sash, even that utility has been largely stripped from sand. Sand, and by extension Tyranitar, needs to have a wider and more powerful variety of Sand abusers added to the game to partner with in Gen 10, and preferably some form of additional utility added onto it. Tyranitar used to be so amazing because is was a great mon in it's own right that also set up a highly impactful weather. But with powercreep and sand being left by the wayside, now it's just a solid mon who's greatest impact with their weather might be just replacing more important opposing weathers. That is not good enough for OU now. Tyranitar is still a good pokemon. Good enough to be OU on its own merits if it's weather was also good enough to be worth using. But right now, sand just isn't worth using.
Other thing that really doesn't help is that Sand Stream does not grant Sandstorm immunity to the user, so Tyranitar only has 3 Tera options if it doesn't want to keep taking damage from its own ability
I'm not convinced that the sleep ban had little or no effect on Breloom's decline. Even if it's an uncommon choice, the mere threat of Spore defines how you deal with Breloom. If Dragonite lost Fire-type coverage, you wouldn't say that it wouldn't affect him because many sets in many gens didn't use Fire-type moves in the first place. The threat of Fire coverage, even if EQ is more common, affects who you send in.
Breloom is what happens when an offensive Pokémon only has offense.With low speed and even lower defensive stats with an terrible defensive typing it’s a wonder how it’s been such a threat for so long imo.Edit: You guys are right I forgot about spore 😂😂 but I’m talking abt currently and without spore it has little utility to provide
Adding on, Breloom’s typing actually has some unique resistances, totaling up to 6 types. When tied to being one of the most powerful priority move users, it makes sense and is still definitely a threat, just not like before
@@TheFlashyLucario naw Breloom didn't even use Spore much before the sleep ban; Breloom did want coverage like Bulldoze and Rock Tomb to smack the ever-increasing number of mons that resisted its STAB combo, so Spore became less and less mandatory or even particularly useful when the coverage was more immediately impactful. Didn't matter a whole lot if you Spored something just to get walled by something else anyway.
I also don't think stealth rock is even a good "buff" on it, it doesn't have the space for it at all and theres other mons that just do the job of setting hazards better. And yea losing Roost is awful
sure gen 8 gave luxray agility and gen 9 introduced supercell slam, but when it comes to luxray that lynx has consistently struggled, from gen 4 where it's best physical move was Spark of all things (yes there was thunder fang too, but both moves have the same power so it doesn't make a difference at all), to current day where unless a physical electric is gifted a great signature STAB move, they are doomed to fail. and yeah the addition of agility to luxray's move pool came too little too late for it
@@theserpent8667 pex can take one and switch out (and it healed after regenerator. It can also haze any set up attempts) Slowbro is more of a hard counter and he was also really popular
Breloom was really good at the beginning of the tier because of how many new sweepers were weak to fighting. I will fondly remember winning a game with my breloom taking down 4 members of the opponents team unboosted with mach punch. Chi-Yu, Chien-Pao, Baxcalibur, and Kingambit. 3/4 of them are now banned
This reminds me of people who want Luxray to become a Dark type, and why I stand so militantly against that idea. The best thing about being pure Electric is that you only have 1 weakness, above average Speed, & decent enough Sp.Atk. Giving Luxray 3 new weaknesses, 2 of which are against some of the highest damaging groups of Pokemon to exist, when his Defense already isn’t that great, isn’t a good idea. The only way to save it would be to be remaking him to be a bulky mixed attacker, but I still think it’ll do more harm than good.
Luxray being Dark is dumb cause the entire line is about Light. Even the name «Luxray». Or the X-ray vison. Although being dual typed is almost always better than being mono type - especially on offensive mons due to dual STAB - but thematically it wouldnt make any sense. None of the Dex entries mentions any evil/dark/underhanded strategy or personality most Dark types have
Granted, it would also give it extra resistances, notably to one of the most spammable moves ever in Knock Off, giving it more room to switch in. Unless it gets Sucker Punch it wouldn't help too much due to its poor speed and bulk, but gaining extra resistances for a type whose biggest issue is that it lacks valuable resistances (Normal is terrible defensively precisely because although it only has one weakness, it also has only one immunity meaning it's really difficult to justify in terms of team synergy) would not be a bad trade, far from what it needs to succeed as that would require a complete overhaul at this point, but it's still easier to justify a mon for a team if it has more valuable resistances to bring to a team's synergy
Nah, Breloom would be much better off if it could still Spore. Yeah it may not have ran Spore each time, but it was always something you had to respect. Now it's just much easier to switch into your defensive wall without needing to worry about it getting slept
Breloom should have gotten grassy glide, razor lead, and maybe some other priority moves like quick attack. Some other technician boosted moves like returning power up punch or the addition of moves like smack down, and giving it some more support for poison heal sets like returning synthesis and giving it moves such as horn leech. Some other changes could be bumping up its HP and speed stat would go a long way. I'd person throw 20 into its HP and speed bringing it to a BST of 500 with 90 speed and 80 HP. This would let it take physical hits better letting it switch in very reliably on ground and dark type pokemon while the speed makes things like choice scarf power up punch very fun.
Access to prankster tailwind, taunt and rain dance has admittedly made tornadus a staple VGC pick. Not to mention bleakwind storm is great in the format, between being a strong spread move that nothing* is immune to (*no one runs anything with wind rider), hits the major threats of Rilaboom, Amoongus, both Urshifu forms, Whimsicot and 3/4 Ogrepon forms for super effective (plus anything running Tera grass for the spore/rage powder immunity), is only notably resisted by Raging Bolt, Gholdengo and like 2 of the more common restricted mons (before Tera), is 100% accurate in the rain Tornadus often sets anyways, and has a 37.59% chance of dropping at least one opposing mon’s speed out of the rain, or 51% in the rain
GameFreak really needs to buff my boi Hydreigon a bit more. Like give it Sludge Bomb/Wave so that it wouldn't be helpless against the Water/Fairy types. Hell, maybe give it Thunderbolt/Thunder.
The obvious answer for Tornadus is just give it aeroblast. Flying type spacial rend solves its problems pretty simply and it honestly makes more sense on torn than Lugia anyway.
I mean, torn is amazing in VGC, so it feels weird to say that it should be buffed. It's like saying that they should buff iron valiant or slowking because they see almost no play in VGC. It's a good pokemon with a strong niche. Just not in the format you're talking about
i kinda doubt it, as much as trying to get power creep under control sounds easy, it's likely a lot more difficult then it sounds, potentially even impossible in some cases
I think the only way to really get rid of power creep is to always have a regional dex so Pokémon are viable depending on their surroundings, say for instance if 60% of Pokémon were available in a generation. A lot of people rag on SWSH’s dexit, but it actually managed to limit powercreep especially considering how broken things became with the DLC.
@@lavzy0193 yeah that is true, the start of a regional dex now aren't too strong, but once the DLC's and home compatibility come out as we have seen in gen 8 and 9, things just get thrown into chaos
Base form Charizard in Gen 8-9 is another example of buffs that did not help, as it two incredible buffs in Gen 8: special Ground type coverage in Scorching Sands and an item to remove its crippling SR weakness in Heavy-Duty-Boots. Those buffs did initially help it out immensely in the limited Pokedex of early Gen 8, but once DLC2 dropped with a lot of old mons returning, it car crashed through the tiering run all the way to PU (it was previously PUBL in Gen 7). The problem is despite these insane buffs, its stats are far too middling to meaningfully help it out in the long run, and it also helps that Gen 8's PU tier is more hostile to it than Gen 7's thanks to Gigalith being the ruler of the tier. In Gen 9, it has unceremoniously fallen to Untiered. Even in the brief time period where NU Sun was dominating, Charizard saw very little usage in those Sun teams, as Scovillian and Venusaur saw far more use, and even Lilligant was used more than Zard. Its Mega forms will, of course, come back to be prominent threats in the higher tiers, but in terms of its base form, things are looking very bleak for it despite its buffs.
@@dse763 Unsure about Gen 8 (will check that later), but Drought is banned in Gen 9 NU and lower. However, Zard is not the reason it got banned, and if memory serves correctly, it was Untiered even back when Drought was legal.
I didn’t actually know breloom got cc which is baffling since it’s one of my most used pokemon but then again i’m far too in love with my bullet seed mach punch rock tomb focus sash set to consider a different stab anyways
Honestly this video reminded me. They need to Undo the Soul Dew Nerfs to give Latios and Latias for more power like the Ubers Monsters they deserve to be. It made sense back in the day but now it feels like the Dark Void Nerf. It now only works on Darkrai. Yet they kept the Nerfed Accuracy. Which is bullshit as Darkrai is also supposed to be Ubers. And it was Smeargle Abusing it in the first place. Wouldn't make Latias God Tier by Today's Standard but would significantly help Latios Stand Out.
All these Pokemon got solid buff, and Delibird's still sitting there with BOTH Insomnia and Vital Spirit as Abilities. why does Game Freak hate Christmas?
Improved move distribution was a double-edged sword. On the one hand pokemon having more moves means they have more options to react to the metagame. On the other hand it means there is now competition for every niche that used to belong to only a handful of pokemon in the past.
@@venabre Also gives frail type combinations with a unique set of resistances less use. Like steel/rock wouldn't be that terrible if not everyone got eq or cc.
I mean, idk how much it counts, but Gallade definitely got some of the biggest buffs ever this gen in getting access to Agility again, but obviously more than that, it got Sharpness, what allowed Sacred Sword, a move with 0 drawbacks and an upside even, to hit harder than Close Combat, and Psycho Cut, also perfectly accurate, with a higher crit chance *and* doesn't make contact, and giving serious damage to a variety of moves it got and already had in the movepool such as Leaf Blade, Aqua Cutter, Shadow Claw and Night Slash (even slash and air slash if that's what tickles your fancy!), keeping access to Swords Dance and Bulk UP, and having a movepool that most fighiting and psychic types would die for with Will-O-Wisp, Destiny Bond, Shadow Sneak, Knock Off, Taunt and even Hypnosis, the same sleep that was banned this same gen, still, Gallade finds itself in NU, yet again. Possibly to reach the realms of PU, with an adamant Life Orb capable of 2HKOing max hp Landorus on the switch in with Psycho Cut, which doesn't even make contact to trigger Rocky Helmet (100% after rocks!).
Tornadus being unusable because the accuracy of its moves are terrible feels like the hardest whiplash from a VGC standpoint. It has the utility for Doubles, and makes them work really well, but that utility is near useless when they barely help it or the team. Bleakwind is even tolerated because it hits both opponents despite the accuracy. Again, the whiplash is real
Okay but Tera Fire Breloom kind of goes super hard, one of my favorite sets of the generation that one of my college roommates introduced me to alongside Agility Iron Moth and his Doubles Tatsugiri strategy.
Hey friend, loved the video! It's a fantastic specific concept that I've considered but never explored and I haven't seen anyone else explore it (because I don't make vids/content) so big prase for either thinking up &/or correctly picking such a good idea! -(continued) If I understood you correctly, it sounded like you were using the word mortified as a synonym of terrified (context: " That's just Gen 8. If you wanted to give latios those tools in previous generations, The player base would already be mortified but w/the buffs it got in gen 9 they'd be screaming in terror"). 😅 I hope I'm not coming off as to nit picky, It is one of the most commonly misunderstood words in the english language because most people use it incorrectly and it sounds exactly like a synonym for terrified. The root word "mort" even means "death", It would make sense to change the meaning to terrified and make a new word for what mortified currently means. The real meaning is more like "horribly embarrassed" which could still fit the video but yeah I am just meaning this as a friendly. Bit of information. Because I know you make a living off of speaking, so these things can't hurt to know 💕 Love the vids you put out and if there is not already an updated video on my lovely shuckle (I'll check now) I will be happy if you ever make one! "Power split" (not the famous "power trick") nearly cuts enemy pkmn's Atk & Sp.Atk in half and shuckie gets that same amount, almost like shuckle can burn both offense stats and hit back now 😅 Thanks for the lovely vids and have a great day!
A few of these pokemon also got nerfs that were balanced out by the buffs. Gastrodon isn't nearly as hard to switch into after losing Scald AND Toxic and Hydreigon can no longer be a utility focused bulky special attacker after the loss of Defog and Roost
Gastrodon is still helpful but needs a very specific niche example: I run a koraidon sun team and the team is INCREDIBLY weak to water and gets decimated by kyorge rain teams. At first I tried to use focus sash thunder gengar but it doesn't hit hard enough to oneshot 99.9% of the time So I used a gastrodon with storm drain and I haven't lost a match against a rain team since >:D It is a monster.
Gastrodon also lost scald and toxic in gen 9 too. Ontop of what I’d argue to be it’s 2 most important support options it also lost its 16 pp recover so Gastrodon isn’t even sticking around for the same lengths that it use to in previous gens. If anything Gastrodon got more hard nerfed than buffed in gen 9 lmao
Funny enough, the script mentions the elemental Tauroses "running" RU, but I just watched a @LordRabia video and unless I'm mistaken the tier of the day was PU and both of them were there
Breloom also received Gunk Shot for a way to hit fairies even harder and Bulldoze to hit the poison types that resisted both of its stabs super effectively
One severely neglected poke that has been so since the start of its bestanding/existence is Sunflora, which got its biggest buff in gaining access to Weather Ball & Trailblaze with nothing to really to show for it even as a Sunkern as said move hardly helped it if at all. It could desperately use some kind of niche beyond sun teams, so it could have a chance not to have to languish in untiered sun teams with some actually noteworthy set such as Draining Kiss or Alluring Voice, a priority move of some kind & Powder
As a VGC player, the only world I can imagine where Tornadus isn't top of the charts busted is a format where you can't use it. Priority TW? priority weather? priority taunt? a strong spread stab move with a chance to slow? Access to Icy Wind? What more could you ask for?
I have an idea for a new theorem: "Why attention from game freak... may be everything: The Charizard Theorem." essentially how attention from gamefreak can influence a pokemon's place in certain metagames. An example is how charizard went from nu in its base form to OU in both it's megas, and how a direct nerf to aegislash's stats saw it fall from ubers, to uubl.
Bleakwind Storm’s accuracy-power ratio is higher than that of Hurricane outside of rain, I think they’re the ones that got that math wrong. Prior to Gen 6 nerfing Hurricane’s base power to 110, it would have been the better move.
I dont think anything could have saved Latios from falling to UU outside of a base stat buff to its speed. Gen 9 just introduced too many broken fairy, dark and ghost types, which either outspeed and 1shot or take 0 damage. Yeah like half of those broken mons have been banned but we also have older threats like Gren, Weavile, Pult and even Darkrai still ruining its day.
If i was going to buff breloom, i think what id do is give it arm thrust and then boost that move to 20 base power. Combos like bullet seed with technician and loaded dice, and no close combat defense drop. Probably doesnt boost its viability by a ton but i think it should have this move for lore reasons and itd also be a small buff to keep it steady for a little longer before power creep renders it low tier finally.
At least tornadus has a second form. I've used him on my rain teams with a specs set and he's a huge offensive backbone. I still refuse to use either form outside of rain though.
breloom being on here surprised me a little bit because i remember having a few gen9 OU matches on showdown with breloom on my team and it consistently kicked ass against many pokemon i saw regularly like bloodmoon ursaluna and great tusk. but i guess my set wasn't conventional because i used neither close combat nor swords dance. i just went all in with the attack, gave it tera rock type and rock tomb and no one expected it. it would get the upper hand on flying types and loaded dice bullet seed with adamant nature smacked a lot of pokemon very hard with mach punch to get the upper hand on weakened pokemon and spore to be annoying but no kidding this is probably not enough to constantly hold against the full force of the meta
Would making Bleakwind Storm's accuracy 100% put Tornadus-I out of Untiered? Who's idea was it to have Tornadus learn a new STAB move and its accuracy is still shaky (80%)?
Who wrote the breloom section and left out that bullet sees was boosted by technician so it was basically at minimum 150 base power. Also the sleep ban is definitely the main issue since breloom is carefully built in a way that it doesn't become op with spore
Breloom only needs two moves to be viable again. Triple Axel and agility. Agility would fix its speed issue and triple axel would allow it to beat bulky flying and grass types attempting to wall it. The fact the sleep ban caused it to drop to NU of all places is insane.
Never forget when I built a whole team around bullet seed loaded dice proccing my sap sipper Pokémon, only to find that the effect of sap sipper cancels the move completely and only does one boost each time. Why, lord?
Maybe you could do a video about the history of moody, i mean pretty much every instance of its appearance on a pokemon has caused that pokemon to casually cook gods and mortals alike no oil it could have a dedicated video
Agility Spore Breloom would just be too annoying to deal with imo. The only sure counter would be Gholdengo, Grass types and Sap Sippers, unless it also uses Tera Fire or something. You can add in Toxic Heal so it lasts longer although it wouldn't make much difference.
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Me when the Gen 2 Omastar is a RestTalk set
"helix sleep". Maybe it was omastar who banned sleep in gen 9 ou, dooming breloom to unviability
Honestly, being UU or even RU in Gen 9 is no shame given how stupid power creep is
Bring back gen 4 and below pls 😢
Yeah and Gen 9 OU is almost as good for putting in work with a low-tier threat as Gen 7 OU was.
At this point not being untiered is the real win
Dragonite, Gliscor, Kyurem, Alomomola, Moltres, Primarina, Weavile, Clefable, and Skarmory are all living proof power creep isn’t everything.
Mega Charizard X is my favorite Mega, so i hope it never exists at the same time as Gouging Fire because it gets outclassed by it.
The only way they could make it even is if Megas could hold an item, wich is never going to happen for balance purposes.
If breloom had trailblaze then the streets would never be safe
Kinda stupid that it doesn't
@@LukeA471Game Freak doesn't want fast Spore users. Every Pokémon that has Spore is either slow (75 Speed or lower) or has an ability that makes it not go first (Mycelium Might)
@@LukeA471 Breloom's (Omega) Ruby Pokedex entry states that it's light on its feet. Trailblaze's move description mentions light footwork boosts the user's Speed. Gamefreak should have given Trailblaze to Breloom because both descriptions fit.
@@chaosgallade2331Doesn’t matter because it has spore. If breloom wants to get trailblaze, it’d have to give up spore
@@MaahirMomtaz12that's the reason liepard no longer has assist.
It's a dark day when Speed Boost Blaziken gets buffed and STILL falls off.
Gen 9 has burned our crops, poisoned our water supply, and delivered a plague on our metagames.
Check gen 8 UUBL. Blaziken, former Uber. Terrakion, former Uber. Aegislash, former Uber. Latios, former Uber. Gen 9 just switch from a shovel to a drill when burying these guys
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@@KaysonVanOrman-ef4kuTerrakion was never Uber to begin with, started of OU and then UU and UUBL, it was tested in Gen 5 but didnt get banned, and also fell off in usage in gen 5
@@KaysonVanOrman-ef4kuTerrakion fell off in the same gen its peaked at, Latios was only UBER thanks to Soul Dew, Blaziken is just easier to handle with Z moves gone and defensive Pokemon just generally getting better, and Aegislash gets its stats and it's signature move nerfed
@naganut9718 okay that's not true about latios, latias is legal in Gen 4 OU with soul dew banned, but latios remains banned because it's way too powerful. In generations 5 and 6 it's legal in OU with soul dew banned. Pre nerf, Soul dew was basically treated how mega stones would end up being treated, with volatios holding it being functionally a different mon by tiering
Keep in mind that Breloom was used to advertise the Loaded Dice item in one of the Scarlet/Violet trailers. It’s still a good item to guarantee harder hitting Bullet Seeds, but because of how frail Breloom is, it likes Focus Sash’s safety net.
It saw some use in early VGC as well. Loaded Dice Rock Blast helping it out. Though some people switched that for Rock Tomb.
I am both Loaded Dice and Breloom's biggest advertiser but I have to agree, even when I'm using that set just cuz I like it I would prefer sash. Breloom just isn't bulky enough
Sub/Punch Poison Heal is a fun gimmick to get off now and again too.
@@Kasaazbreloom doesn’t get rock blast though
@@giabbymarx7428 maybe I was just thinking of Rock Tomb / Technician? Hmm. 🤔
Breloom and Gastrodon being given new moves and being sent to an insanely powerful tier is like giving a child a shotgun and asking them to kill a grizzly bear with it.
This is a great simile
More like a Rhino, but yeah.
Brelooms fall really is mainly due to the sleep ban though. It no longer having the threat of potential sleep meant that it wasn't nearly as scary. The reason the sleepless sets worked so well was because you couldn't be certain it wasn't packing sleep until it was too late. It was holding it's tiering until the sleep ban which is all the evidence needed that the sleep ban is what killed it.
Did you watch the video
He's is good even without sleep
@@dbt4869 Yes but he only started falling in tiers AFTER sleep was banned because he no longer could bluff the threaten of sleep which is what made him better. Losing sleep is what caused him to drop despite the buffs he got.
@@dbt4869
Yes, but seeing a Breloom that has the potential to put you to sleep is much more threatening than a Breloom that you know can't sleep you at all.
Breloom fell off to NU before sleep ban.
"Amazing offensive Pokémon gets one of the best moves in the game; Pokémon uses move to excellent effect, looks handsome." sublime script writing.
BKC doesn't fail to deliver!
Is that a Bojack reference?
Gastrodon also got directly nerfed with the removal of toxic and scald, so even with spikes it lost all offensive momentum
Gastrodon probably would've had an OU niche if it kept Scald and Toxic.
Not to mention Recover stall was nerfed, and other bulky Ground types like Great Tusk and Clodsire offer more with either better offenses or unique niches (e.g., poison/absorbing T-spikes)
Its kinda funny when you consider that keeping Scald boosted, of all Pokemon, ALOMOMOLA to OU status alongside Flip Turn access. (Though keeping Toxic didn't really save Umbreon, well not yet, given its actually projected to become RU from its current NU placing like it has been for the last few gens)
Mola and Primarina becoming OU is something I never really expected but I appreciate it I guess.
@@CoffeeFlavoredMilk no Ferrothorn helped out Primarina(& Alolomola) nicely. Meanwhile Incineroar is NU(was RU last gen) & Decidueye is PU(was NU last gen).
@@CoffeeFlavoredMilkHonestly scald isn't even what made it great actually. It's a relatively hard move to click in a waterpon and kyurem meta. Flip turn + wish is the absurd thing.
Tornados BECAME UNTIERED?! Now that’s something I learned
I mean, it was so clearly designed to be a VGC pokemon I'm not surprised. Prankster Tailwind, double hitting 100bp speed dropping signature move, and good general bulk, with that much support under its belt, they couldn't buff it in any way that actually mattered for singles.
@@Endershock1678I was thinking the same thing. It makes sense that Tornadus is garbage in singles, but it’s a monster in VGC and really doesn’t need any help. Sure, you could give it all kinds of good special moves for singles (although Flying STAB has it pretty bad unless they give it Aeroblast), but then it just becomes better at randomly OHKOing stuff in VGC in addition to its insane support capabilities. No thanks.
@vaporeonice3146 Thing is, it's not even garbage in Singles, at least it wasn't
For the longest time it trended towards RUBL and was perfectly fine as it still was a strong and fast Flying type with decent bulk and pretty good movepool. It may have been the weakest of the Genies, but it was definitely workable in Singles, power creep just hit it really hard
Worth mentioning only Torn-I is untiered, Torn-T with Regenerator is much more suited to singles and is doing fine for itself in UU
@@itztaytay2funny because torn-T is garbage in vgc and always has been so i guess each torn there format
Breloom has so many buffs other Pokemon would kill for
From getting Close Combat and Gunk Shot as your high BP moves and also getting Pounce to lower the opponent's Speed to fire off "fast" Spores and Aerial Ace which is boosted by Technician and doesn't miss
@@MaahirMomtaz12Bulldoze too, which also lowers speed
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Is each shot of bullet seed stronger becuz of technician boost? Making the move stronger than 125 power if all 5 hits of the bullets land?
What would the full power be if so? What is the 25 power of a single seed boosted too?
@@bigtoblerone8446Each hit gets the 50% boost, so 37.5 BP that averages to around 112.5 BP and has a max output of 187.5 BP.
In Gen V it was discovered that gems also boost the power of each individual move meaning Grass Gem Technician averaged around 168.75 BP with a max of 281.25 BP. It was a big reason why gems were banned along with the usual Volcarona/Cloyster shenanigans.
Vid idea: Nerfs that didnt balance Pokémon
Number 1: zamazenta
@@Regytron21number 2: Incineroar
@@YoelSchwarzNumber 3, Sunkern
Regileki
Gliscor
Gamefreak really messed up when they made Aeroblast Lugia's signature move. So many Flying types are begging for a good Flying Type special attack, but Gamefreak refuses to deliver.
yeah, but then again special attacking flying types are a rarity, many that get introduced are physical attackers, but you are right on the lack of special flying moves as you have air slash which is lacking and hurricane which is strong but inaccurate outside of rain
Same deal with Volt Tackle being exclusive to the Raichu line
IDK why they don't give a mon or two Aeroblast considering that Entei has Sacred Fire.
@@mika_fernandes They should turn Volt tackle into an electric head smash, then buff wild charge and supercell slam to 120 power.
Same for volt tackle or even plasma fists. Good physical electric moves locked behind fraudulent dudes
Funny, the title has a double meaning~
Not only that these are _more_ pokemon that were buffed but it didn't help, but these pokemon were also buffed _more_ then the previous episode but to no avail!
Gastrodon losing scald, toxic, and old recover was a very sad day for me
plenty of mons lost those moves since this was mainly targeted towards VGC to not make stall too tough since the timer for online battles being locked to 20 minutes.
cause keep in mind that a lot more attention is centered around the official VGC doubles format of 4v4 and not to unofficial 6v6 singles
@@bulborb8756 I get that but if they are THAT focused on doubles format why not make the main game double battles too? Like wouldn't that make sense?
Breloom should've gotten Trailblaze. It is STAB, it's boosted by Technician, and it raises Breloom's poor speed! I'm certain it wouldn't have made it Broken, but I think it would've helped it out.
Fast spore would be extremely broken lol
@@deeznoots6241 Except in current gen 9 singles in Smogon sleep is banned, and in VGC Breloom is pretty frail as already faster Pokémon could easily take it out before it can get fast enough to be a problem.
But you aren't wrong, as Wolf recently showed how dangerous fast spore could be. But, Breloom would need a safe turn to set it up first still.
@@pmdlord7237 singles isn’t managed by Pokemon, they care more about VGC, and in vgc sleep isn’t restricted in any way(which required dark void to be nerfed in the game before), there are plenty of ways to get a free turn in VGC like fake out and follow me
the tasteful and possibly incorrect use of the semicolon, BKC has truly written this
I love how FSG originally praised these buffs when they were first introduced, but those buffs eventually became obsolete and here we are. Just goes to show how much gen 9 has raised the bar for ou potential pokemon so much so that some pokemon just can't handle it anymore, no matter how much buffs you give it.
Doesn't help that most OU Pokémon are glass cannons. Pheromosa may be manageable in OU in Gen 9, actually probably not lol
@@MaahirMomtaz12 no way in hell will pheromosa be visble in OU for at least another gen or 2
Might as well rename the video to "Gen 9 Power Creep Ruined These Pokemon."
Tyranitar was in the last video, but I'll mention it here. The buff it needs isn't to it's own kit, but to the environment around it. Sun has an entire subset of legendaries dedicated to abusing it, Rain has more pokemon than any other weather with an ability meant to synergize with rain, its power to give multiple focus blast tier moves unmissable accuracy, and its defensive utility makingthe best defensive type in the game, Steel, even stronger. And Snow has Aurora Veil and can be set up by a switch move, which can position set up ice types amazingly for sweeps. Tyranitar is the king of sand, but with only one meaningful sand rush abuser in Excadrill and one meaningful Sand Force user in Garchomp, neither of whom benefit from the spdef boost sand gives to rock types, and both of whom have fallen off themselves in Gen 9. The chip damage used to be a great source of extra utility, adding Magic Guard pokemon into the ranks of its weather abusers and shutting down opposing Focus Sash mons, along with increasing the pressure that hazards could apply. But with Zam and Reuniclus also falling of, and Heavy Duty Boots making hazards less relevant as well as being one of the many items in the past two generations that have crowded out Focus Sash, even that utility has been largely stripped from sand. Sand, and by extension Tyranitar, needs to have a wider and more powerful variety of Sand abusers added to the game to partner with in Gen 10, and preferably some form of additional utility added onto it.
Tyranitar used to be so amazing because is was a great mon in it's own right that also set up a highly impactful weather. But with powercreep and sand being left by the wayside, now it's just a solid mon who's greatest impact with their weather might be just replacing more important opposing weathers. That is not good enough for OU now. Tyranitar is still a good pokemon. Good enough to be OU on its own merits if it's weather was also good enough to be worth using. But right now, sand just isn't worth using.
True that's why he is UU with excadrill
Other thing that really doesn't help is that Sand Stream does not grant Sandstorm immunity to the user, so Tyranitar only has 3 Tera options if it doesn't want to keep taking damage from its own ability
I'm not convinced that the sleep ban had little or no effect on Breloom's decline. Even if it's an uncommon choice, the mere threat of Spore defines how you deal with Breloom.
If Dragonite lost Fire-type coverage, you wouldn't say that it wouldn't affect him because many sets in many gens didn't use Fire-type moves in the first place. The threat of Fire coverage, even if EQ is more common, affects who you send in.
We're at the point where the stat totals of 570, 600, and 680, doesn't make you competitively viable by default
Kay now this is hilarious wrong and doom posty. It’s not about the BST but the way those stats are distributwd
Kyurem Black with a base stat total of 700 in Gen V OU…
remember when dracovish was on a murder spree in gen 8??? fun times...
I'd like to remind everyone that Annihilape has a BST of 535, the same as starters, and yet is still banned in Singles.
@@KnightofChaosDeck love that pkmn, peak design!
Breloom is what happens when an offensive Pokémon only has offense.With low speed and even lower defensive stats with an terrible defensive typing it’s a wonder how it’s been such a threat for so long imo.Edit: You guys are right I forgot about spore 😂😂 but I’m talking abt currently and without spore it has little utility to provide
Great abilities , 100 accurate sleep move and stab priority.
Breloom squeezed as much use as it could out it's cracked as hell abilities and movepool, if it ever got a third stage evolution it would be over
Adding on, Breloom’s typing actually has some unique resistances, totaling up to 6 types. When tied to being one of the most powerful priority move users, it makes sense and is still definitely a threat, just not like before
@ashikjaman1940 so gen 10 has a path to give it something.
"For more information, please refer to the Rampardos theorem"
to be entirely fair to breloom, he was OU in gen 9 until the sleep ban
OU until the late stages of the HOME meta. It spent a while in UU even with sleep because power creep caught up.
@@HowlingOneify yeah Gen 9 Breloom was already on the decline even before the sleep ban
Breloom fell off before sleep ban
And it didn't even use spore at all
@@yeet8036 okay THIS is equally as wrong as the first comment. It absolutely used spore when it was in OU:
False Swipe: “Close Combat and loaded dice didn’t help Breloom”
Also False Swipe: (Puts breloom as a winner in s/v
Breloom WAS a good OU Mon in early gen9 so it wasn’t wrong at the time.
@@HowlingOneifyto be fair, the sleep ban really screwed Breloom over in gen 9
@@TheFlashyLucario naw Breloom didn't even use Spore much before the sleep ban; Breloom did want coverage like Bulldoze and Rock Tomb to smack the ever-increasing number of mons that resisted its STAB combo, so Spore became less and less mandatory or even particularly useful when the coverage was more immediately impactful. Didn't matter a whole lot if you Spored something just to get walled by something else anyway.
@@HowlingOneify the community (smogon) banned sleep moves is what happened.
@@breloommaster12 I suppose, but the spore-less sets now couldn’t fake having spore. Half the threat was the possibility of Spore
21:04 Considering how well it’s doing in VGC, that’s unlikely to happen.
Dunno if hydreigon really applies since while it did get good buffs, losing roost is a massive nerf since it used it in many of it's best sets
I also don't think stealth rock is even a good "buff" on it, it doesn't have the space for it at all and theres other mons that just do the job of setting hazards better. And yea losing Roost is awful
Tornadus at the end reminded me that accurate STAB is everything
And Luxray is stuck with zero meaningful buffs whatsoever and don't even get me started on LEVEL 80 Wild Charge... -_-
sure gen 8 gave luxray agility and gen 9 introduced supercell slam, but when it comes to luxray that lynx has consistently struggled, from gen 4 where it's best physical move was Spark of all things (yes there was thunder fang too, but both moves have the same power so it doesn't make a difference at all), to current day where unless a physical electric is gifted a great signature STAB move, they are doomed to fail.
and yeah the addition of agility to luxray's move pool came too little too late for it
@@bulborb8756Supercell slam is not a real move…
@@i_like_chomp6382It is, it was in the DLC, it's basically an Electric Jump Kick (Not High Jump Kick, Jump Kick)
@@baxterbruce9827 I know what it is, it’s just not a real move
@@i_like_chomp6382 ... I feel like you might need to elaborate, because I don't understand?
You thought it was Nerfs that DIDN’T Hurt These Pokémon. But it was me, Buffs that DIDN’T Help These Pokémon!
Kono Buff da!!
@@BlazingCyberKnight95 is that a JoJo reference?
Blaziken being in UU is crazy.
One word. Pex.
@@benross9174 Damn. Were there no sets with Earthquake to try and counter it?
Isn't it banned from UU now
@@theserpent8667 pex can take one and switch out (and it healed after regenerator. It can also haze any set up attempts) Slowbro is more of a hard counter and he was also really popular
Blaziken is actually in UUBL Hell right now.
Breloom was really good at the beginning of the tier because of how many new sweepers were weak to fighting. I will fondly remember winning a game with my breloom taking down 4 members of the opponents team unboosted with mach punch.
Chi-Yu, Chien-Pao, Baxcalibur, and Kingambit. 3/4 of them are now banned
This reminds me of people who want Luxray to become a Dark type, and why I stand so militantly against that idea. The best thing about being pure Electric is that you only have 1 weakness, above average Speed, & decent enough Sp.Atk. Giving Luxray 3 new weaknesses, 2 of which are against some of the highest damaging groups of Pokemon to exist, when his Defense already isn’t that great, isn’t a good idea. The only way to save it would be to be remaking him to be a bulky mixed attacker, but I still think it’ll do more harm than good.
Luxray being Dark is dumb cause the entire line is about Light. Even the name «Luxray». Or the X-ray vison. Although being dual typed is almost always better than being mono type - especially on offensive mons due to dual STAB - but thematically it wouldnt make any sense. None of the Dex entries mentions any evil/dark/underhanded strategy or personality most Dark types have
Granted, it would also give it extra resistances, notably to one of the most spammable moves ever in Knock Off, giving it more room to switch in. Unless it gets Sucker Punch it wouldn't help too much due to its poor speed and bulk, but gaining extra resistances for a type whose biggest issue is that it lacks valuable resistances (Normal is terrible defensively precisely because although it only has one weakness, it also has only one immunity meaning it's really difficult to justify in terms of team synergy) would not be a bad trade, far from what it needs to succeed as that would require a complete overhaul at this point, but it's still easier to justify a mon for a team if it has more valuable resistances to bring to a team's synergy
Thank you. Imo ALL it needs is Bulk Up, and Zing Zap to go from unusable to at least PU
Luxray would be bad either way so it might as well be cool at least
@@StormlordOG Zing Zap is only exclusive to Hedgehogs and the like as its Japanese name evoke spikes.
Imagine the look on a VGC players’ face hearing “Tornadus needs buffs”
Nah, Breloom would be much better off if it could still Spore. Yeah it may not have ran Spore each time, but it was always something you had to respect. Now it's just much easier to switch into your defensive wall without needing to worry about it getting slept
Breloom should have gotten grassy glide, razor lead, and maybe some other priority moves like quick attack. Some other technician boosted moves like returning power up punch or the addition of moves like smack down, and giving it some more support for poison heal sets like returning synthesis and giving it moves such as horn leech. Some other changes could be bumping up its HP and speed stat would go a long way. I'd person throw 20 into its HP and speed bringing it to a BST of 500 with 90 speed and 80 HP. This would let it take physical hits better letting it switch in very reliably on ground and dark type pokemon while the speed makes things like choice scarf power up punch very fun.
Access to prankster tailwind, taunt and rain dance has admittedly made tornadus a staple VGC pick.
Not to mention bleakwind storm is great in the format, between being a strong spread move that nothing* is immune to (*no one runs anything with wind rider), hits the major threats of Rilaboom, Amoongus, both Urshifu forms, Whimsicot and 3/4 Ogrepon forms for super effective (plus anything running Tera grass for the spore/rage powder immunity), is only notably resisted by Raging Bolt, Gholdengo and like 2 of the more common restricted mons (before Tera), is 100% accurate in the rain Tornadus often sets anyways, and has a 37.59% chance of dropping at least one opposing mon’s speed out of the rain, or 51% in the rain
0:10 hey , half of these guys were OU viable for at least 2 gens
Is that the point of the video?
@@ulisesdejesuscaro-flores7439 More about the other video that they mentioned but are you like this for every comment that slightly of topic.
Mega Breelom would be epic
GameFreak really needs to buff my boi Hydreigon a bit more. Like give it Sludge Bomb/Wave so that it wouldn't be helpless against the Water/Fairy types. Hell, maybe give it Thunderbolt/Thunder.
I know it's based on the Orochi but just put poison moves on Hydreigon cause literally every language has the word Hydra in its name.
I misread blaziken's tier status as ZUBL and with how insane power creep is this gen i genuinely believed it for a second
17:45 hydra also got scaleshot to run a possible loaded dice set (gimmick but its cool ig)
Offensive Gholdengo gets straight up two shot by bullet seed btw that's how strong breloom is it just can't take a single hit it doesn't resist.
I constantly find myself surprised by some pokemon stats because of their lack of competitive viability. The biggest example being Rampardos' attack
@@flynnhunter416breloom is comp viable. Just no longer OU.
The obvious answer for Tornadus is just give it aeroblast. Flying type spacial rend solves its problems pretty simply and it honestly makes more sense on torn than Lugia anyway.
I mean, torn is amazing in VGC, so it feels weird to say that it should be buffed. It's like saying that they should buff iron valiant or slowking because they see almost no play in VGC. It's a good pokemon with a strong niche. Just not in the format you're talking about
@@matthewma11hew well yeah, and I’m a VGC player but at no point they talking about VGC or any doubles formats in this video
Latios gets so many buffs, and yet it drops down in tiering, how interesting
It’s still actually a decent OU Mon right now. Not easy to fit and has its issues but it’s respectable.
remember when it was an Uber?
Great video!
I got an idea for maybe a future one. Pokemon that were nerfed without needing nerfs. For example inteleon losing focus energy.
UNFORTUNATELY,
They need to get the power creep under control next gen
i kinda doubt it, as much as trying to get power creep under control sounds easy, it's likely a lot more difficult then it sounds, potentially even impossible in some cases
I think the only way to really get rid of power creep is to always have a regional dex so Pokémon are viable depending on their surroundings, say for instance if 60% of Pokémon were available in a generation. A lot of people rag on SWSH’s dexit, but it actually managed to limit powercreep especially considering how broken things became with the DLC.
@@lavzy0193 yeah that is true, the start of a regional dex now aren't too strong, but once the DLC's and home compatibility come out as we have seen in gen 8 and 9, things just get thrown into chaos
Look at the bright side gastrodon fans. Its getting a buff in pokemon go and is becoming a top meta threat. GASTRODON LIVES ON!!!
Base form Charizard in Gen 8-9 is another example of buffs that did not help, as it two incredible buffs in Gen 8: special Ground type coverage in Scorching Sands and an item to remove its crippling SR weakness in Heavy-Duty-Boots.
Those buffs did initially help it out immensely in the limited Pokedex of early Gen 8, but once DLC2 dropped with a lot of old mons returning, it car crashed through the tiering run all the way to PU (it was previously PUBL in Gen 7). The problem is despite these insane buffs, its stats are far too middling to meaningfully help it out in the long run, and it also helps that Gen 8's PU tier is more hostile to it than Gen 7's thanks to Gigalith being the ruler of the tier.
In Gen 9, it has unceremoniously fallen to Untiered. Even in the brief time period where NU Sun was dominating, Charizard saw very little usage in those Sun teams, as Scovillian and Venusaur saw far more use, and even Lilligant was used more than Zard.
Its Mega forms will, of course, come back to be prominent threats in the higher tiers, but in terms of its base form, things are looking very bleak for it despite its buffs.
Wait, didn't Smogon banned Sun in the low tiers ?
@@dse763 Unsure about Gen 8 (will check that later), but Drought is banned in Gen 9 NU and lower. However, Zard is not the reason it got banned, and if memory serves correctly, it was Untiered even back when Drought was legal.
@@the_bookworm8281Of course, the Gmax form was broken and absolutely mattered outside of Smogon’s formats.
I didn’t actually know breloom got cc which is baffling since it’s one of my most used pokemon but then again i’m far too in love with my bullet seed mach punch rock tomb focus sash set to consider a different stab anyways
Same
Honestly this video reminded me. They need to Undo the Soul Dew Nerfs to give Latios and Latias for more power like the Ubers Monsters they deserve to be. It made sense back in the day but now it feels like the Dark Void Nerf. It now only works on Darkrai. Yet they kept the Nerfed Accuracy. Which is bullshit as Darkrai is also supposed to be Ubers. And it was Smeargle Abusing it in the first place. Wouldn't make Latias God Tier by Today's Standard but would significantly help Latios Stand Out.
All these Pokemon got solid buff, and Delibird's still sitting there with BOTH Insomnia and Vital Spirit as Abilities.
why does Game Freak hate Christmas?
3:06 That is why Dugtrio seems better recently. I forgot he got an Attack buff.
Improved move distribution was a double-edged sword. On the one hand pokemon having more moves means they have more options to react to the metagame. On the other hand it means there is now competition for every niche that used to belong to only a handful of pokemon in the past.
This is why older games are harder, too. If everyone has dogshit moves, it's easier to balance.
@@venabre Also gives frail type combinations with a unique set of resistances less use. Like steel/rock wouldn't be that terrible if not everyone got eq or cc.
I mean, idk how much it counts, but Gallade definitely got some of the biggest buffs ever this gen in getting access to Agility again, but obviously more than that, it got Sharpness, what allowed Sacred Sword, a move with 0 drawbacks and an upside even, to hit harder than Close Combat, and Psycho Cut, also perfectly accurate, with a higher crit chance *and* doesn't make contact, and giving serious damage to a variety of moves it got and already had in the movepool such as Leaf Blade, Aqua Cutter, Shadow Claw and Night Slash (even slash and air slash if that's what tickles your fancy!), keeping access to Swords Dance and Bulk UP, and having a movepool that most fighiting and psychic types would die for with Will-O-Wisp, Destiny Bond, Shadow Sneak, Knock Off, Taunt and even Hypnosis, the same sleep that was banned this same gen, still, Gallade finds itself in NU, yet again. Possibly to reach the realms of PU, with an adamant Life Orb capable of 2HKOing max hp Landorus on the switch in with Psycho Cut, which doesn't even make contact to trigger Rocky Helmet (100% after rocks!).
So Tornadus is only one tier above Butterfree? Neat.
It's untied
@@dbt4869 ZU, yes. Which is one tier below PU.
Tornadus being unusable because the accuracy of its moves are terrible feels like the hardest whiplash from a VGC standpoint. It has the utility for Doubles, and makes them work really well, but that utility is near useless when they barely help it or the team. Bleakwind is even tolerated because it hits both opponents despite the accuracy. Again, the whiplash is real
Okay but Tera Fire Breloom kind of goes super hard, one of my favorite sets of the generation that one of my college roommates introduced me to alongside Agility Iron Moth and his Doubles Tatsugiri strategy.
Woop and FSG posting in the same day lets go
Hey friend, loved the video! It's a fantastic specific concept that I've considered but never explored and I haven't seen anyone else explore it (because I don't make vids/content) so big prase for either thinking up &/or correctly picking such a good idea!
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If I understood you correctly, it sounded like you were using the word mortified as a synonym of terrified (context: " That's just Gen 8. If you wanted to give latios those tools in previous generations, The player base would already be mortified but w/the buffs it got in gen 9 they'd be screaming in terror"). 😅 I hope I'm not coming off as to nit picky, It is one of the most commonly misunderstood words in the english language because most people use it incorrectly and it sounds exactly like a synonym for terrified. The root word "mort" even means "death", It would make sense to change the meaning to terrified and make a new word for what mortified currently means. The real meaning is more like "horribly embarrassed" which could still fit the video but yeah I am just meaning this as a friendly.
Bit of information. Because I know you make a living off of speaking, so these things can't hurt to know 💕
Love the vids you put out and if there is not already an updated video on my lovely shuckle (I'll check now) I will be happy if you ever make one!
"Power split" (not the famous "power trick") nearly cuts enemy pkmn's Atk & Sp.Atk in half and shuckie gets that same amount, almost like shuckle can burn both offense stats and hit back now 😅
Thanks for the lovely vids and have a great day!
A few of these pokemon also got nerfs that were balanced out by the buffs. Gastrodon isn't nearly as hard to switch into after losing Scald AND Toxic and Hydreigon can no longer be a utility focused bulky special attacker after the loss of Defog and Roost
Gastrodon is still helpful but needs a very specific niche example: I run a koraidon sun team and the team is INCREDIBLY weak to water and gets decimated by kyorge rain teams. At first I tried to use focus sash thunder gengar but it doesn't hit hard enough to oneshot 99.9% of the time
So I used a gastrodon with storm drain and I haven't lost a match against a rain team since >:D It is a monster.
Tornadus being untiered is complete and utter insanity and if a random person told me I would absolutely not believe them
Gastrodon also lost scald and toxic in gen 9 too. Ontop of what I’d argue to be it’s 2 most important support options it also lost its 16 pp recover so Gastrodon isn’t even sticking around for the same lengths that it use to in previous gens. If anything Gastrodon got more hard nerfed than buffed in gen 9 lmao
How to fix Tornadus:
A special attack equivalent of Hone Claws.
tornadus being zubl is soemthing i'd never have expected!!
"Especially if the pokemon is handsome"
Bruxish:why you...why you bully me
Funny enough, the script mentions the elemental Tauroses "running" RU, but I just watched a @LordRabia video and unless I'm mistaken the tier of the day was PU and both of them were there
Breloom also received Gunk Shot for a way to hit fairies even harder and Bulldoze to hit the poison types that resisted both of its stabs super effectively
One severely neglected poke that has been so since the start of its bestanding/existence is Sunflora, which got its biggest buff in gaining access to Weather Ball & Trailblaze with nothing to really to show for it even as a Sunkern as said move hardly helped it if at all. It could desperately use some kind of niche beyond sun teams, so it could have a chance not to have to languish in untiered sun teams with some actually noteworthy set such as Draining Kiss or Alluring Voice, a priority move of some kind & Powder
The power creep is insane this gen
Breloom should get the move arm thrust to help give a fighting move that works with technician
correction-technician loaded dice breloom bullet seed effective bp is 150-187.5 wo stab
As a VGC player, the only world I can imagine where Tornadus isn't top of the charts busted is a format where you can't use it.
Priority TW? priority weather? priority taunt? a strong spread stab move with a chance to slow? Access to Icy Wind?
What more could you ask for?
When a legendary becomes untiered, you know you’ve let your power creep get too far out of hand.
I have an idea for a new theorem: "Why attention from game freak... may be everything: The Charizard Theorem." essentially how attention from gamefreak can influence a pokemon's place in certain metagames. An example is how charizard went from nu in its base form to OU in both it's megas, and how a direct nerf to aegislash's stats saw it fall from ubers, to uubl.
"don't check the math on that, keep the dream alive"
LOL
Bleakwind Storm’s accuracy-power ratio is higher than that of Hurricane outside of rain, I think they’re the ones that got that math wrong. Prior to Gen 6 nerfing Hurricane’s base power to 110, it would have been the better move.
I dont think anything could have saved Latios from falling to UU outside of a base stat buff to its speed. Gen 9 just introduced too many broken fairy, dark and ghost types, which either outspeed and 1shot or take 0 damage. Yeah like half of those broken mons have been banned but we also have older threats like Gren, Weavile, Pult and even Darkrai still ruining its day.
Never forgive the gen 9 concil for killing spore users due to hypnosis users' sins
If i was going to buff breloom, i think what id do is give it arm thrust and then boost that move to 20 base power. Combos like bullet seed with technician and loaded dice, and no close combat defense drop. Probably doesnt boost its viability by a ton but i think it should have this move for lore reasons and itd also be a small buff to keep it steady for a little longer before power creep renders it low tier finally.
At least tornadus has a second form. I've used him on my rain teams with a specs set and he's a huge offensive backbone. I still refuse to use either form outside of rain though.
Power creep in Pokemon is a great example how insane competitive gaming can be when not balanced properly.
Me: to this day not understanding competitive pokemon tiers and their brackets
Also me: watching these videos as if i understand
It's crazy to think that Breloom was a pokemon yall listed as one of Gen 9's biggest winners
breloom being on here surprised me a little bit because i remember having a few gen9 OU matches on showdown with breloom on my team and it consistently kicked ass against many pokemon i saw regularly like bloodmoon ursaluna and great tusk. but i guess my set wasn't conventional because i used neither close combat nor swords dance. i just went all in with the attack, gave it tera rock type and rock tomb and no one expected it. it would get the upper hand on flying types and loaded dice bullet seed with adamant nature smacked a lot of pokemon very hard with mach punch to get the upper hand on weakened pokemon and spore to be annoying
but no kidding this is probably not enough to constantly hold against the full force of the meta
Why Natures are everything-The Chansey/ Blissey Theorem!!!
Would making Bleakwind Storm's accuracy 100% put Tornadus-I out of Untiered?
Who's idea was it to have Tornadus learn a new STAB move and its accuracy is still shaky (80%)?
Cause it's a spread move with a 20% chance to drop speed that becomes fully accurate in rain
remember, only doubles matters.
Who wrote the breloom section and left out that bullet sees was boosted by technician so it was basically at minimum 150 base power. Also the sleep ban is definitely the main issue since breloom is carefully built in a way that it doesn't become op with spore
How insane was Gen 9’s powercreep actually?
SV really gave the old competitive Pokemon meta the middle finger!
I don't think the weather trio have gotten enough love. Hopefully they get a new gigaevolution or something in the next game.
“Comma, looks handsome” 😂
Tornadus destroyed ZU in the few days it was allowed there
Breloom only needs two moves to be viable again. Triple Axel and agility. Agility would fix its speed issue and triple axel would allow it to beat bulky flying and grass types attempting to wall it. The fact the sleep ban caused it to drop to NU of all places is insane.
Never forget when I built a whole team around bullet seed loaded dice proccing my sap sipper Pokémon, only to find that the effect of sap sipper cancels the move completely and only does one boost each time. Why, lord?
Crazy that Heracross, Gengar and Alakazam, each at least once OU staples, are in the "poor mons" section, but we do live in a society
Maybe you could do a video about the history of moody, i mean pretty much every instance of its appearance on a pokemon has caused that pokemon to casually cook gods and mortals alike no oil it could have a dedicated video
it was banned early on in gen 4 and never seen again until its evasion buff was removed- where it promptly tore things to shreds again and got banned.
@@natnew32Moody did not exist in Gen 4. Gen 5 was when that ability was introduced.
Consider the madness of Smeargle in VGC as well.
New series where we talk about Pokemon that somehow haven’t fallen off despite the odds being stacked against them
Listening to Latios' buffs in gens 8 and 9 is hilarious if you think about it from the perspective of someone in 2011
Agility Spore Breloom would just be too annoying to deal with imo. The only sure counter would be Gholdengo, Grass types and Sap Sippers, unless it also uses Tera Fire or something. You can add in Toxic Heal so it lasts longer although it wouldn't make much difference.