@@delboy-su3wf it's a feature, people run from battles all the time. It's called routing. Human beings generally don't want to die, hence in real life there's this factor called "morale" which Total War seeks to simulate. It's just not working as intended here cause Creative Assembly has been a mess ever since Total War Empire.
i think it' s because the fate of melee fight is also decided by the morale ,since the samurai were already damaged and decimated they lost all their morale against the soldiers who probably had full numbers and morale. But at the same time going from point A to point B that much of a problem.
@@theillusiveman2139 is just the AI that is dumb at those times they were warriors, they knew if they turned back it would be more fatal and wouldn't bring any casualties to the enemy
They brought the entire British Empire to the fight... Canadian Artillery, Indians, Scots, Welsh Guards, New Zealanders with their tall shakos, the Green Howards with their Crimean War caps, the Green Jackets, Gurkhas and even the Australian Volunteer Cavalry...
The Battle of Nagashino pitted three thousand Samurai arquebuse best shots on three ranks against a cavalry charge. Firearms decided the outcome. This battle set the conditions for the shôgunat period as one major clan was completely obliterated.
that was after the menji emperor took power? or when he was already in power. I know the shogunate era ended and then the samurai didn’t want to lose the Japanese Culture to modernization when Japan was westernizing their military I get the battles confused
@@Madmok128Oda Nobunaga and his modern conception of firearms showed Japan that the old conception of samurai was destined to change. Nagashino saw the Oda arquebusiers obliterating the Takeda cavalry, considered the best in Japan at that time
@@Madmok128nah this was during the Sengoku jidai (1400s-1600s) oda nobunaga with a. Peasant army destroyed a takeda force, completely destroying takeda.
Makes you wonder how awful a real battlefield looked like, with all the blood, excrements, mutilations, corpses, pain and suffering emanating from thousands of men
What i love about this video is that Matchlocks showcase their range superiority. I know for balance reasons guns have nearly all the time less range than bows/crossbows , but still.
During the filming of that scene he dog shi! sick. Could barely stand much less do gods only knows how many takes for a fight scene, so they improvised. And the rest is.... history.
Arthur Welsley most times cried after a battle. He said famously "Next to a battle lost, there is nothing so melancholy as a battle won". This referred to his seeing the masses of corpses littering the battlefield; men he'd ordered to their deaths.
@@fareastslav still possible without mod. Particularly in Chosu campaign, get kiheitai, Armstrong gun early as possible, backed with one or two yari kachi. total carnage
@@fareastslav That's a very accurate interpretation of the superiority of firearms vs bows and arrows. Not only do they have more stopping power, they have more range when fired in volleys. Individually they may be less accurate than a well trained archer at longer ranges, but when fired as a volley it stops mattering how individually accurate they are. That as well as requiring significantly less training than an archer to use effectively. I rarely see such an accurate representation of muskets vs bows and arrows in video games or media in general, probably due to the edgy fanboys that think bows and arrows were still superior than muskets due to popular portrayal of muskets being clunky and inaccurate. Which is true when comparing them to a modern AR-15 for example, they look like a club that explodes at one end. But in reality when put up against the weapons of the era they were in, they not only make armor obsolete, but combine a ranged and melee weapon into one. Being a spear, and a rifle in one. A spear as well being the main weapon you would want anyway in melee vs the typical weakness of ranged combatants being cavalry.
@@bender0428 I was talking about it being broken original game balance-wise In shogun 2 matchlock units were absolute shit, outranged and outdamaged by bows by far
i had a dilemma one playtough as the imperialist army of japan against the Samurai Army Both had Conqured Half of japan and we where Equal In strenght and army size The only big downside i had is that i couldt Advance Past my lines due to that my population would Revolt otherWishe if i left the towns
I like to have these kinds of videos playing while I'm in the musket era of my civ 5 playthrough. Thinking those little tiles have all this going on while I press next turn lol.
I wonder if they don't realize the Portuguese introduced firearms to Japan just prior to 1600. They had the 'tanegashima' which is a Japanese produced musket. Also, Japanese armies didn't entirely consist of 'samurai', they included infantry called 'ashigaru'.
"Believe me, Nothing except a Battle lost can be half so melancholy as a battle won..." Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington...writing of Waterloo. (and in reference to the British losses)
fire arms did not necessarily win the battle as it appears this is the Japanese version of Pickett's Charge .Sending your soldiers over open ground exposed to a long time of fire before they can fight is never a good idea. And Custer's Cav beat Jeb Stuart's cav at Gettysburg too , so the Japanese cav vs Brit cav just a side show. Neat video all the same and is educational
yeah the reason musket replace longbow is anyone with a day of training know how to use musket while with longbow if you want it to be effective you require at least 1 year of training. Also at this time they're not gonna cavalry charge cavalry, they just blast you with artillery and use cavalry to break weak Infantry line
This video reminds me of 'The Last Samurai.' The film is loosely based on the Satsuma Rebellion of 1877. Ken Watanabe's character, Katsumoto, is based on Saigo Takamori. The final battle in the film represents the Battle of Shiroyama, the last stand of the Samurai where they are outnumbered 60 to 1. Like Katsumoto, Takamori had five hundred men, who, unlike the film, did use firearms until they ran out of ammunition. Like this video, the new Imperial Army was outfitted and trained by the West. They also had modern cannon and gunboats. So, unlike the film, the real battle was pretty one-sided. Like the film, Takamori was mortally wounded and committed seppuku. The last forty of his men committed a final charge right into the Imperial lines, and are gunned down. Effectively putting an end to the battle and the rebellion. Today, Takamori is revered as a hero in Japan, as a keeper of the old ways.
If they kept fighting they might have stood a small chance. But charging through bullets just to turn before you reach the enemy to run away from bullets and then getting run down by cav... This went prefectly for the brits.
British army ware suffered a big loss in the SouthAtrica, The officer of the British army of high rank saw the parade o the newly born Japanese army and realized they would win over the imperial Russian Army. Too many soldiers of both sides died.
Yep, that was a real glorious battle when one side stands and fires at will at an approaching army that is all nicely lined up standing tall waiting to be blown away by cannon fire and musket rounds. Yep that is a real battle of stupidity.
If the game engine made that choice instead of a Genereal on the Battlefield, it was on morale drop. WHICH Japanese Samuri wouldn't have, as you say, they made contact and engauged, why retreat?
This is actually how most battles went vs the British of that time they fired then charged with bayonets and the enemy ran away because of worse discipline.
The Japanese were during the sengoku jidai the country that produced the highest amount of firearms bar none, it was only due to the 2 centuries of isolation that Japanese gun tech due to the relative peace and prosperity fall behind
Japanese were the early adopters of the firearms. Even during boshin war, both the shogunate and the imperial side scramble to get as many western guns as possible. Shogunate side even managed to procure 2 gatling guns. The real problem the japanese have is it is one thing to have firearms. It is another to be proficient at it. They had to rely on foreign experts (primarily french and prussian) to drill the troops according to western style manual.
When the match loc was introduced it quickly became popular with samurai and a requirement for them to learn how to use them. The events of the last samurai are incorrect, as the rebel samurai still utilize fire arms. Samurai loved them.
You could put any century Japanese army against a British one and it would lose. The Japanese were always woefully behind Europe in tech and warfare. For example people like to fanboy over katanas but they were 400 years behind in technology and craftsmanship compared to the relative European swords of the same period and made from inferior metal.
@@BBeowulf I doubt that. Sure British had some advanced technology, but you cannot ignore the factor geological environment and available resources in each country. Example. You might say that the 12th-century French cavalry was much stronger than that of Japan. Well, yes, but you ignored some facts. First, the horse breed in Japan could not run while heavily armed humans rode on top of it. Second, the mountainous and muddy terrain would likely disable the cavalry charge completely. Third, considering the hot and humid weather in Japan, the full plate armor would be deadly to those who wear them, so one might favor avoiding full armor plate and melee combat, but rather wear light armor and focus on archery. Therefore, it is likely that 12th-century French cavalry would not win a 12th-century Japanese cavalry IN JAPAN, and vice versa. Similar things can be said for iron smelting, sword and spear, armor, logistics, political form, and pretty much everything. However, when you compare two things, but one is 4-centuries ahead, especially if it has experienced the industrial revolution, the technological superiority is obvious. That is what I am talking about. By the way, unlike those stupid fanboys say, the katana has never been the main weapon on the battlefield. For the reasons I have explained above, melee combat was rare; it was mainly shooting arrows and bullets at each other.
@@nampham162 Cool Jared Diamond take. The samurai had centuries of warfare to hone their craft, just like Europe. I highly doubt anyone is going to give up the immense advantage of full plate armor for… comfort??? People have time to prepare for battle, it’s not like they’d be running around in Plate 24/7. Japanese metallurgy just could not compete with European. Just like even the proudest and most noble samurai would fall when faced with the flower of French chivalry. It’s not disrespectful to the Japanese to point this out, this is just fact. HeavyEuropean cavalry just outmatches the samurai. Two contemporary European and Japanese armies of the Sengoku and Tokugawa era just don’t compare. I also find it Hard to believe that a Japanese horse of the time couldn’t hold a Western warrior… I would need you to go into greater detail on that. It’s also kind of silly to talk about the Japanese as if they’re some backwards newly discovered Bantu tribe from the eighteenth century who never engaged in proper battle and only skirmished with bows and arrows lol. These are the peoples that subjugated Korea, and only a few centuries later became the eminent world power of their home theatre, there is no doubt that they knew how to fight and engage in prolonged Melee screens, they just didn’t have the technical know how and millennia of warfare, foreign and domestic, that Europeans posessed
@@BBeowulf You're wrong, son. Ever heard of fall of Singapore? Sinking of Prince of Wales and Repulse? Indian Ocean raid? Those are embarrassing defeats for the British during the war. "You have to respect your enemy. Never, ever underestimate them. The second you do, they'll squash you. Be smart about them. Respect their abilities, even if they don't respect yours." - James Patterson
@@BBeowulf The fall of Singapore 1942 - Nearly 85,000 British, Indian and Commonwealth troops were captured, in addition to losses during the earlier fighting in Malaya. About 5,000 men were killed or wounded, a majority of whom were Australian. Japanese casualties during the fighting in Singapore amounted to 1,714 killed and 3,378 wounded. But thanks for showing us your profound lack of knowledge.
Advance up hill across open ground against ranged weapon line infantry and artillery? Sacrifice your General first trying to break the centre? Brave but absolutely hopeless 😞
Like the fanboy version with katanas (which wearn’t even the main weapon) or the general social class they were in reality cus I do feel if you’re talking about the fanboy version I could just give you the kind introduction of countries like the USA and Korea and japans own military
The Russian Army employed Horse Archers from the Steppes against the Grand Army of Napoleon, they were then known as the most useless unit in the entirety of the Napoleonic Wars....
With any competent commander the outcome should be the same, only problem could be muskets ' range compared to bows ' one, naturally with Crimean war 's Enfields it's another thing.
Everytime i fight a japanese army though , they always seem to have better morale and just absolutely break through my line infantry At best i could probably survive a siege battle or two
If this is fall of the samurai then I suggest still including a few melee troops in front of your formation to form a sort of buffer zone to allow your troops more time to fuck shit up
@@DingDong-mz7biClose, but not completely right. You should have the melee units *behind* the line infantry since you can’t shoot through other units. Once the enemy starts getting close, then you can have the melee units advance.
Ok so its 1840, the British are on... Oh heck could be bloody anywhere in the world ... One of them shouts "Rule Britania!" And a native shouts back "I don't want to!"
Huh, strange, the samurai didn't seem to have any muskets of their own. I take it either they were out of ammo, or the British time traveled to the 1200s.
Nope the mod is about what-if western powers suddenly colonizes Japan, and it starts off from 1830-40s I believe. So yeah this is set before that fateful day admiral perry asked them to open their borders. Hence most of the shogunate ranged units are largely still made up of matchlock gunners and archers.
@@ChocolacchioIt’s the 1860s, and it’s not about western powers colonizing Japan. It’s about the Boshin War, and you’re able to spend a lot of money to get elite western units if you have the proper infrastructure.
@@matthewjones39 He said it's a mod. It is an abbreviation of 'modification'. This 'mod' modifies the game and adds western powers, replace it in an alternate timeline, like Chocolacchio said, the mod is about what-if western powers suddenly colonizes Japan. The mod is called 'Unequal Treaties' and can be found in the Total War: SHOGUN 2 Steam Workshop.
I'm expecting a japanese gunpoweder army facing a british gunpowder army. Completely dissapointed. Japan employed mass gunpowder warfare relatively at the same time as europeans did, if not earlier.
Eh kinda depends muskets generally take 15 to 30 seconds to reload but 3 rounds were kinda standard so it would range from 200-150 seconds to shoot each man not accounting for missed shots or misfires I love muskets but I do feel at 10-1 odds it becomes a bit different Yes I am a nerd
I don’t believe the British ever fought the Shogunate. For this to work breech loading rifles would be required it’s hard to tell in this video what guns are in use.
Teacher: " we are gonna have an excersion in Japan" Girls and weebs: " omg i cant wait to see the anime merch they have fir sale" Boys: "lets show them why the sun sets on the British empire"
"good news sir, the enemy general is dead"
Brits: Hell, we just got here.
Great Britain: "Let's see whose sun sets first".
America: "Let's drop the sun on them" :D
@@Sleeping_Cat148 smart comment but not historical reality. It like the french lets see how we can make the aemericans dream.
Bro why you bully him he just wanted to say something from de video
Japan: “And let’s see whose sun rises first”
@Paddy234 lol, lmao
Imagine getting in close where you actually can do anything and then running right before you hit the enemy lines.
The AI has been doing this since Empire, it's so horrendous.
@@buzter8135I Always wanted to play games like this by why do they run .why don't developers sort this
@@delboy-su3wf it's a feature, people run from battles all the time. It's called routing. Human beings generally don't want to die, hence in real life there's this factor called "morale" which Total War seeks to simulate.
It's just not working as intended here cause Creative Assembly has been a mess ever since Total War Empire.
i think it' s because the fate of melee fight is also decided by the morale ,since the samurai were already damaged and decimated they lost all their morale against the soldiers who probably had full numbers and morale. But at the same time going from point A to point B that much of a problem.
@@theillusiveman2139 is just the AI that is dumb at those times
they were warriors, they knew if they turned back it would be more fatal and wouldn't bring any casualties to the enemy
They brought the entire British Empire to the fight...
Canadian Artillery, Indians, Scots, Welsh Guards, New Zealanders with their tall shakos, the Green Howards with their Crimean War caps, the Green Jackets, Gurkhas and even the Australian Volunteer Cavalry...
Damn, they meant business
although in the 1860s the new Zealanders should be wearing a kepi like forage caps and the pillbox in the field.
Diversity :)
Brilliant analysis, ol chap!
The Battle of Nagashino pitted three thousand Samurai arquebuse best shots on three ranks against a cavalry charge. Firearms decided the outcome. This battle set the conditions for the shôgunat period as one major clan was completely obliterated.
Takeda rt?
that was after the menji emperor took power? or when he was already in power. I know the shogunate era ended and then the samurai didn’t want to lose the Japanese Culture to modernization when Japan was westernizing their
military I get the battles confused
@@Madmok128 meiji, not "menji", and no, this was 2 centuries prior.
@@Madmok128Oda Nobunaga and his modern conception of firearms showed Japan that the old conception of samurai was destined to change. Nagashino saw the Oda arquebusiers obliterating the Takeda cavalry, considered the best in Japan at that time
@@Madmok128nah this was during the Sengoku jidai (1400s-1600s) oda nobunaga with a. Peasant army destroyed a takeda force, completely destroying takeda.
Makes you wonder how awful a real battlefield looked like, with all the blood, excrements, mutilations, corpses, pain and suffering emanating from thousands of men
Not awful, just nature and meat
@@Mardolokand shit and piss, a lotta men prob shat and watered themselves on the field
Boy that escalated quickly
Excrements?
@@SirGeorgeofWorcestershire Yeah, shit. Entire fields covered in shit.
What i love about this video is that Matchlocks showcase their range superiority.
I know for balance reasons guns have nearly all the time less range than bows/crossbows , but still.
Matchlocks? British Army of that period all had Flintlocks...
@@trooperdgb9722 not a flintlock they already had 15bullets per minute guns
Never bring a knife to a gunfight. Indiana Jones was right when he shot that sword-wielding guy!
During the filming of that scene he dog shi! sick. Could barely stand much less do gods only knows how many takes for a fight scene, so they improvised. And the rest is.... history.
The Japanese where armed with mostly firearms and bows, except they somehow never fired a single shot in the entire animation.
@@tomwang5564cause there probably wasn’t any gunmen on the Japanese side or they were charging not shooting.
@@Ratta907 what about the bowmen? Those with bows were charging without shooting as well.
@@tomwang5564just to clarify its a game not an animation
Not sure what the Seven cavalry bugler was doing on the field!
That’s not a battle that’s a massacre
Arthur Welsley most times cried after a battle. He said famously "Next to a battle lost, there is nothing so melancholy as a battle won". This referred to his seeing the masses of corpses littering the battlefield; men he'd ordered to their deaths.
"your victory is close sir!' , yet the poor samurais not even close to enemy frontline
yeah sure because of the ridiculous musket range which in this video was more than that of a bow unit
@@fareastslav still possible without mod. Particularly in Chosu campaign, get kiheitai, Armstrong gun early as possible, backed with one or two yari kachi. total carnage
@@fareastslav That's a very accurate interpretation of the superiority of firearms vs bows and arrows. Not only do they have more stopping power, they have more range when fired in volleys. Individually they may be less accurate than a well trained archer at longer ranges, but when fired as a volley it stops mattering how individually accurate they are. That as well as requiring significantly less training than an archer to use effectively. I rarely see such an accurate representation of muskets vs bows and arrows in video games or media in general, probably due to the edgy fanboys that think bows and arrows were still superior than muskets due to popular portrayal of muskets being clunky and inaccurate. Which is true when comparing them to a modern AR-15 for example, they look like a club that explodes at one end. But in reality when put up against the weapons of the era they were in, they not only make armor obsolete, but combine a ranged and melee weapon into one. Being a spear, and a rifle in one. A spear as well being the main weapon you would want anyway in melee vs the typical weakness of ranged combatants being cavalry.
@@bender0428 I was talking about it being broken original game balance-wise
In shogun 2 matchlock units were absolute shit, outranged and outdamaged by bows by far
@@bender0428 they didn't make armour obsolete though
The famous samurai drum roll
i had a dilemma one playtough as the imperialist army of japan against the Samurai Army Both had Conqured Half of japan and we where Equal In strenght and army size The only big downside i had is that i couldt Advance Past my lines due to that my population would Revolt otherWishe if i left the towns
use agents and ships to beat the stalemate
I like to have these kinds of videos playing while I'm in the musket era of my civ 5 playthrough. Thinking those little tiles have all this going on while I press next turn lol.
i am convincedd that the artillery might have added more by employing grapeshot or cannister rounds.
Thought the same, my good sir
Oh yes cannister was devastating for infantry and cavalry
Like being blasted at short range by a giant shotgun
Cross the T and skip your cannonballs across the hard earth.
One cannonball can hit 40 men.
They just keep going and going.
Wow........ What an incredible battle. Shogun II is the most beautiful Total War game
I knew I was in for a good ride when I noticed the British regiments carrying both colours. Now I gotta find out what mods this took.
I wonder if they don't realize the Portuguese introduced firearms to Japan just prior to 1600. They had the 'tanegashima' which is a Japanese produced musket. Also, Japanese armies didn't entirely consist of 'samurai', they included infantry called 'ashigaru'.
The stench must have been horrendous, the screams must have been defining, but the Victory of battle must have been Glorious.
"Believe me, Nothing except a Battle lost can be half so melancholy as a battle won..." Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington...writing of Waterloo. (and in reference to the British losses)
fire arms did not necessarily win the battle as it appears this is the Japanese version of Pickett's Charge .Sending your soldiers over open ground exposed to a long time of fire before they can fight is never a good idea. And Custer's Cav beat Jeb Stuart's cav at Gettysburg too , so the Japanese cav vs Brit cav just a side show. Neat video all the same and is educational
exactly. open ground is death. best to let the enemy come to you before you close the gap.
yeah the reason musket replace longbow is anyone with a day of training know how to use musket while with longbow if you want it to be effective you require at least 1 year of training.
Also at this time they're not gonna cavalry charge cavalry, they just blast you with artillery and use cavalry to break weak Infantry line
They opened fire at a rediculous distance
Muskets at this time had an accuracy range of 200 yards
I may be wrong, but I think they were using rifles at this point. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
Brits used the Pattern 81 iirc in this time period. Effective fire range from 200-400 yards and maximum range of 1000 yards.
It was never British doctrine to blaze away wildly at long range.
This video reminds me of 'The Last Samurai.' The film is loosely based on the Satsuma Rebellion of 1877. Ken Watanabe's character, Katsumoto, is based on Saigo Takamori. The final battle in the film represents the Battle of Shiroyama, the last stand of the Samurai where they are outnumbered 60 to 1.
Like Katsumoto, Takamori had five hundred men, who, unlike the film, did use firearms until they ran out of ammunition. Like this video, the new Imperial Army was outfitted and trained by the West. They also had modern cannon and gunboats. So, unlike the film, the real battle was pretty one-sided.
Like the film, Takamori was mortally wounded and committed seppuku. The last forty of his men committed a final charge right into the Imperial lines, and are gunned down. Effectively putting an end to the battle and the rebellion.
Today, Takamori is revered as a hero in Japan, as a keeper of the old ways.
that calvary charge horn is the bomb
If you are facing certain defeat by a superior force it best not to fuck around and find out - Sam Sue
bet you thought you'd get a like for your amazing comedy? about as funny as a cancer diagnosis..
@@billsmith109 Never gave it another thought.
@@TheoneGodfather well people obviously have zero sense of humour. it was a crap joke but ill give you a like for trying.
@@billsmith109 Cool.
Another glorious day in the annals of the Empire, chasing after fleeing enemy and running them down. Makes you prowd >sobs
Shut up you!
nice the brits uniformed in the 1860s style for home service and hot climate outfit with cloth-covered forage cap
One of the most beautiful total war games
Beautiful indeed. and not because of graphics, but because of actual art and passion put into it
If they kept fighting they might have stood a small chance.
But charging through bullets just to turn before you reach the enemy to run away from bullets and then getting run down by cav... This went prefectly for the brits.
Love how the battlefield looks like after the battle
The British if they decided to colonize japan.
Yeah charge across an open field into a closely formed enemy with artillery
Did you want them to fly?
There's a good 200 years tech gap between these armies.
British army ware suffered a big loss in the SouthAtrica,
The officer of the British army of high rank saw the parade o the newly born Japanese army and realized they would win over the imperial Russian Army.
Too many soldiers of both sides died.
I swear! He forgot Tom Cruise
Remember when CA made good total war games. I do
That was a great battle i kept finding myself saying Oh my god
"These rustics are so inept, it nearly takes the honor out of victory... Nearly."
Rule Britannia from Glasgow 😎 🇬🇧
Yep, that was a real glorious battle when one side stands and fires at will at an approaching army that is all nicely lined up standing tall waiting to be blown away by cannon fire and musket rounds. Yep that is a real battle of stupidity.
3:24 That's bullshit. When you finally are in close combat where you have the advantage, you step back. For what? To shut you in the back this time?
Whichever general in charge of that, it is very dishonorable
@@Player-rv8ph People may flee in the last moment. But my point is this "simulator" is ridiculous.
If the game engine made that choice instead of a Genereal on the Battlefield, it was on morale drop. WHICH Japanese Samuri wouldn't have, as you say, they made contact and engauged, why retreat?
This is actually how most battles went vs the British of that time they fired then charged with bayonets and the enemy ran away because of worse discipline.
@@bigmoose7its not befitting for the Japanese. They would genuinely die before surrender. The Bushido code was still ingrained into their society
Guess this is when the Japanese switched to guns.
The Japanese were during the sengoku jidai the country that produced the highest amount of firearms bar none, it was only due to the 2 centuries of isolation that Japanese gun tech due to the relative peace and prosperity fall behind
@@dsan8742 I guess that would have been the old match lock gun's that the Portuguese brought with them.
@@thomasmain5986 Yeah, the Japanese quickly copied and made their own
Japanese were the early adopters of the firearms. Even during boshin war, both the shogunate and the imperial side scramble to get as many western guns as possible. Shogunate side even managed to procure 2 gatling guns.
The real problem the japanese have is it is one thing to have firearms. It is another to be proficient at it. They had to rely on foreign experts (primarily french and prussian) to drill the troops according to western style manual.
When the match loc was introduced it quickly became popular with samurai and a requirement for them to learn how to use them. The events of the last samurai are incorrect, as the rebel samurai still utilize fire arms. Samurai loved them.
You created a 15th-century samurai army to fight a 19th-century British army. Quite obvious who's gonna win.
You could put any century Japanese army against a British one and it would lose.
The Japanese were always woefully behind Europe in tech and warfare.
For example people like to fanboy over katanas but they were 400 years behind in technology and craftsmanship compared to the relative European swords of the same period and made from inferior metal.
@@BBeowulf I doubt that. Sure British had some advanced technology, but you cannot ignore the factor geological environment and available resources in each country.
Example. You might say that the 12th-century French cavalry was much stronger than that of Japan. Well, yes, but you ignored some facts. First, the horse breed in Japan could not run while heavily armed humans rode on top of it. Second, the mountainous and muddy terrain would likely disable the cavalry charge completely. Third, considering the hot and humid weather in Japan, the full plate armor would be deadly to those who wear them, so one might favor avoiding full armor plate and melee combat, but rather wear light armor and focus on archery.
Therefore, it is likely that 12th-century French cavalry would not win a 12th-century Japanese cavalry IN JAPAN, and vice versa.
Similar things can be said for iron smelting, sword and spear, armor, logistics, political form, and pretty much everything. However, when you compare two things, but one is 4-centuries ahead, especially if it has experienced the industrial revolution, the technological superiority is obvious. That is what I am talking about.
By the way, unlike those stupid fanboys say, the katana has never been the main weapon on the battlefield. For the reasons I have explained above, melee combat was rare; it was mainly shooting arrows and bullets at each other.
@@nampham162 Cool Jared Diamond take. The samurai had centuries of warfare to hone their craft, just like Europe.
I highly doubt anyone is going to give up the immense advantage of full plate armor for… comfort??? People have time to prepare for battle, it’s not like they’d be running around in Plate 24/7. Japanese metallurgy just could not compete with European. Just like even the proudest and most noble samurai would fall when faced with the flower of French chivalry.
It’s not disrespectful to the Japanese to point this out, this is just fact. HeavyEuropean cavalry just outmatches the samurai. Two contemporary European and Japanese armies of the Sengoku and Tokugawa era just don’t compare.
I also find it Hard to believe that a Japanese horse of the time couldn’t hold a Western warrior… I would need you to go into greater detail on that.
It’s also kind of silly to talk about the Japanese as if they’re some backwards newly discovered Bantu tribe from the eighteenth century who never engaged in proper battle and only skirmished with bows and arrows lol.
These are the peoples that subjugated Korea, and only a few centuries later became the eminent world power of their home theatre, there is no doubt that they knew how to fight and engage in prolonged Melee screens, they just didn’t have the technical know how and millennia of warfare, foreign and domestic, that Europeans posessed
@@BBeowulf You're wrong, son. Ever heard of fall of Singapore? Sinking of Prince of Wales and Repulse? Indian Ocean raid? Those are embarrassing defeats for the British during the war.
"You have to respect your enemy. Never, ever underestimate them. The second you do, they'll squash you. Be smart about them. Respect their abilities, even if they don't respect yours." - James Patterson
@@BBeowulf The fall of Singapore 1942 - Nearly 85,000 British, Indian and Commonwealth troops were captured, in addition to losses during the earlier fighting in Malaya. About 5,000 men were killed or wounded, a majority of whom were Australian. Japanese casualties during the fighting in Singapore amounted to 1,714 killed and 3,378 wounded.
But thanks for showing us your profound lack of knowledge.
That's a bummer, who will do my dry cleaning now?
You'll always lose when you bring a knife to a gun fight.
Actually, Japanese people wouldn't do such a stupid thing. At least the samurai
British Units: Speaks with British accents
Announcer: Speaks with a 21st century southern American accent
Blud has *not* played the game
Those flags add alot of vibrancy to the battle.mrather than just carrying a small square that doesn't flutter at all.m
Now, I understand how British Empire beat Qing Empire in the Opium War
Advance up hill across open ground against ranged weapon line infantry and artillery? Sacrifice your General first trying to break the centre?
Brave but absolutely hopeless 😞
Kind of like pickets charge
Bring a Knife to a gun fight
2:08 I would be such a good reloader
The British didn’t use that call for “charge”. It didn’t come about until the American civil war.
These are the type of videos that I watched in a restaurant when I was 9.
Well that's 5 minutes of my life I'll never get back again!
Very good video - except for the British cavalry sounding an American charge!
I think I saw this, Tom Cruise was in it….The Last Samurai.
The samurais will rise again 😈
no
Japanese now is anime trash
@@RomaInvicta-lz3zb You do realize that anime is not the only thing in Japan, right?
@@jamesjaiden7857a plummeting birthrate too
Like the fanboy version with katanas (which wearn’t even the main weapon) or the general social class they were in reality cus I do feel if you’re talking about the fanboy version I could just give you the kind introduction of countries like the USA and Korea and japans own military
"Defending army in ideal formation deafeats attacking army in terrible formation"
I find this old way of war to be funny. Being at the front is probably has 75% of death certainty.
2:45
Pajeet infantry
Saaar if u giv uz independence we wil fight for u saar full support 🙏🏻
mostly infantry is too slow, how about if fighting against a Mongolian army
The Russian Army employed Horse Archers from the Steppes against the Grand Army of Napoleon, they were then known as the most useless unit in the entirety of the Napoleonic Wars....
box formation and just shoot them? the mongolians are literally armed with bows
With any competent commander the outcome should be the same, only problem could be muskets ' range compared to bows ' one, naturally with Crimean war 's Enfields it's another thing.
Very impressive look!
the outcome will be different in the forest, in a close combat
Not realy No.
Clearly on the mentality level of very young persons. .
Someone watched The Last samurai and loved it too much.... hahahaha
@@wesleyrara9788 just got bored and thought i'd make this lol. But ya it's kinda based off of that movie hahaha
Everytime i fight a japanese army though , they always seem to have better morale and just absolutely break through my line infantry
At best i could probably survive a siege battle or two
Same here.
If this is fall of the samurai then I suggest still including a few melee troops in front of your formation to form a sort of buffer zone to allow your troops more time to fuck shit up
@@DingDong-mz7biClose, but not completely right. You should have the melee units *behind* the line infantry since you can’t shoot through other units. Once the enemy starts getting close, then you can have the melee units advance.
Yea just an army that stands vs an army that attack. In a straight open field fire power matters.
Some talk of Alexander some talk of nobunaga
some talk of Napoleon some talk about Caesar
@@rory6860 I know but maybe he is an greek lover ? 🤔
@@rory6860 it's a song the British grenadiers
Ok so its 1840, the British are on... Oh heck could be bloody anywhere in the world ... One of them shouts
"Rule Britania!"
And a native shouts back
"I don't want to!"
1860s*
Weakest Samurai adorns full body armour. Strongest British imperialist wears fabric with a still debated variant of red.
En el último samurái los primeros k avanzan son los soldados solo as visto la mitad de la peli los samuráis atacan después de que medio batallón muera
Sure, everybody's smug until Godzilla shows up.
ah~real LAST SAMURAI
Theres something called honor!
A shamefrul dispray!
Practicing aim the battle
American post 1870 bugle call for charge?
Huh, strange, the samurai didn't seem to have any muskets of their own. I take it either they were out of ammo, or the British time traveled to the 1200s.
Nope the mod is about what-if western powers suddenly colonizes Japan, and it starts off from 1830-40s I believe. So yeah this is set before that fateful day admiral perry asked them to open their borders. Hence most of the shogunate ranged units are largely still made up of matchlock gunners and archers.
@@Chocolacchio Thanks.
@@ChocolacchioIt’s the 1860s, and it’s not about western powers colonizing Japan. It’s about the Boshin War, and you’re able to spend a lot of money to get elite western units if you have the proper infrastructure.
@@matthewjones39 He said it's a mod. It is an abbreviation of 'modification'. This 'mod' modifies the game and adds western powers, replace it in an alternate timeline, like Chocolacchio said, the mod is about what-if western powers suddenly colonizes Japan. The mod is called 'Unequal Treaties' and can be found in the Total War: SHOGUN 2 Steam Workshop.
I'm expecting a japanese gunpoweder army facing a british gunpowder army. Completely dissapointed. Japan employed mass gunpowder warfare relatively at the same time as europeans did, if not earlier.
And they were worse trained and had poor navy compared to the British.
In the game, nearly all of the clans utilize firearms and cannons extensively. I have no idea why they aren’t using them in this battle.
So remember kiddies.
10 trained blades are no match for 1 trained gun.
Especially at a distance…
Eh kinda depends muskets generally take 15 to 30 seconds to reload but 3 rounds were kinda standard so it would range from 200-150 seconds to shoot each man not accounting for missed shots or misfires
I love muskets but I do feel at 10-1 odds it becomes a bit different
Yes I am a nerd
Zulu war is a good example of that, when outnumbered they were counting on the enemy to get scared and run in most battles @@justarandomhandle1
i instinctively push wasd, q and e and k button to show the battle ui lol
_“Good news sir, the enemy general is dead.”_
…Spoken in a perfect American accent. SMH.
It is so beautifully… why ca go wrong way…
I don’t believe the British ever fought the Shogunate. For this to work breech loading rifles would be required it’s hard to tell in this video what guns are in use.
I thought with the Bushido code you weren't allowed to retreat
That’s a lot of dead bodies up clean up
Hmmm, British Calvary, American bugle calls?
then the samurai chivalry charge the british infantry from the sides. End of the british army.
Try that against samurai archers. Your line infantry would not last long.
Common sense you don't charge a line of muskets and cannons. There is no victory without surprise tactic. That's how you beat superior force.
Teacher: " we are gonna have an excersion in Japan"
Girls and weebs: " omg i cant wait to see the anime merch they have fir sale"
Boys: "lets show them why the sun sets on the British empire"
you should make a battle between samurai archer or shooter, vs British shooter, it will become an almost balance war
That's some premature evolleyations
The musketfire and sound,is accurate :)
Is this a mod for musket fire and sound? :)
The musket sounds r part of the mod (scramble for the far east)
Not cricket at old chap battle before breakfast?
*saw the title*
You dont say?!
If it was an ambush 💀
It is very possible to beat modern army with traditional one but it require lots of skill, micro and perfect tarain.
Where's the Samurai archers?
what is that trumpet sound called on 4:31
i think its the one used in charges