Except for the infantry who have artillery support who only fight people without artillery. Also, some probably would like artillery accuracy buffed. Friendly fire *isn't!*
@@Nerdnumberone look man, it’s not my fault, I told my CoC I was dyslexic before they put me in the FDC. It’s 100% on them if destroy the mout town 1200m outside the safety box.
@@АльбинФест waterloo was nothing just look at Leipzig napoleon outnumbered 2 to one encircled the largest battle in the history of Europe at the time nearly 500,000 soldiers deployed and yet napoleon still inflicted more casualties on the enemy before he was eventually overrun.
It's similar to things like VATS in Fallout 3, NV, and 4: the listed accuracy is limited in range and skill, but if the player skill is high, they can snipe from far greater distances than the maximum VATS range. I like games that include a way for less skilled players to survive, but that include a way for skilled players to thrive.
Underrated comment, specially when I tried this, and I bonked some Kisho Ninja units, it was brilliant. So confirmed the ghost can definetly be killed by artilery.
This game needs a Franco-Prussian war expansion. The mechanics are perfect for 19th century warfare. Too bad you'll have to be satisfied with Warhammer 7.
Tbf, my old Japanese teacher (Japanese born and bred) referred to the kind of Japanese folk weebs try to emulate as "f*ckin-gu weeb-zu ne!". He drank a lot of whiskey and whisky... he was hilarious.
@@Just_A_DudeIn this case it's a little more justified because yes Aircraft Carriers are incredibly powerful but this was due to the fact that you would be attacked by a massive wave of aircraft from 10's of kilometers away and you'd never get a chance to shoot at them. And (unlike in WoWS) when they did get attacked they had a habit of going up in flames and are incredibly fragile to this day. lots of things that go boom on board. Meanwhile in WoWS you can shoot at them with a 406mm HE salvo and barely scratch the paint, where as historically that would have disabled the ship for the battle if it didn't completely destroy it. anyways this has been my presentation on why I shouldn't read the comments on youtube. goodbye
The easier to use and shorter training for decent tactics (gun goes this way, firing lines, working with cavalry) made it so experience mattered less. You wanted as many guns and as many people as possible to make hailstorms of lead. AKA, what Spiff does here!
Yeah I remember playing like this. I also remember what happened to you: When the guns get really accurate, they aim not towards the center of an enemy formation but instead to the sides. So I manually aimed my shrapnel shots and turned off auto fire. Killing 500 men in a single volley is entirely feasible this way. Also the US marines get crazy good at level 5 and above.
Well, they suck when they are on land. European ships in vanilla Shogun 2 are so OP you can destroy almost any fleet with just one Nanban trade ship. Then, there is the almighty Black ship thats even more OP, but there is only one and you must capture it. Its so powerful that facing it with a japanese fleet feels like a bossfight.
@@greatandmightykevin the underlying information is that napoleon and his regime were very much atheistic, and I'm sure you can imagine somebody equating "God's Favor" (finger quotes and all) with victory. Hence, more artillery is the key factor says napoleon.
That's modern Latinisation in a nutshell, my friend. Take something foreign, make it sound okay in english, and then try to spell it. Then ignore all that, and give it your own name.
@@jazermano latinisation is a dumb word. Just like latinist. Roman time period has way too much bias. High key the existence of that name makes me feel ashamed for being a history buff. Just so childish and gimmicky. There's no such thing as a latinist, you're either historian or your not, specializing in one time period doesn't turn you into a sub cat historian. It's dumb.
I love Fall of the Samurai. It's an amazing total war game. I typically take over a decent region of japan then stop all expansion as I spend the next 50 turns developing my economy so I have a military industrial complex that is able to overwhelm any and all contenders.
I just wish it did not have the audio bugs. Decking out the entire line with musket armed troops only for them to fire and you barely hearing any firing sounds.. it really takes away the "oomph" that a battle should have.
I feel so bad for him being so proud of his reload skill on the cannons. As I played and studied this game for 2800 hours I can say there are reload caps on multiple units, including cannon. Basically reload improvements on Armstrongs cannons has no effect as its based in the code of the game that a unit has to have a minnimum reload time and Armstrongs reached that with their base reload already so the increased stats there changed nothing. Also the accuracy is kinda capped, its still getting better with every point but after like 90 accuracy the differences are just not really noticable anymore. But still a nice video :)
@@thespiffingbrit iirc reload caps are limited by animation speed, and animation speeds have a hard upper limit to keep it from looking janky. I used to make mods for this game.
@@thespiffingbrit No worries not many people know that. Shogun 2 is full of Mechanics and secrets I found out only slowly over time. When I heard of it I didn't believed it too, but I tested with a friend in testbattles. If you want to know another secret about cannons I discovered, here is the timebomb: Have your cannons fire at will off, activate shrapnell and use selfaiming. The cannonball will stuck in the ground and release a shrapnell explosion after multiple seconds. Its not op but very fun to use as in battles it takes alot prediction ;) In case you consider doing another video about Shogun 2 feel free to ask me for other perfectly balanced mechanics
@@conradk.3098 its the same in all total war games, you cant increase stats beyond what the animation dictates; attack/movement/reload speeds are generally capped at one point.
@@steffennilsen2132 Yeah thats true, but in most TW games you usally don't reach caps(that easy). In Shogun 2 however there are so many different skills that can boost the same thing. Like in his video he had Ganbatte that boosts reload, inspire does aswell and also skilltrees. In multiplayer there are even dojos that boost reload by 20 and not seldom I have seen player being so proud of their line infantery having over 100 reload already (cap is between 80-90 I guess) and still activating supressive fire(+20 reload -20 accuracy) so they effectively weakened their unit. In other TW games you don't really have to care about such caps thats why most people don't know caps exist in Shogun 2
radio was required when a ship can't even see the target area. But,in this game most beach battles are open n ships can calculate how far they need to shoot without radio.
I know it's not 100% accurate, but the game is set in the late 1860s and the first spark-gap radios were being used around 1896, which were basically wireless telegraph machines, which were used later ship-to-shore and shore-to-ship transmissions.. so with a little imagination you could apply the knowledge to a playthrough of your own neglecting to use the naval bombardment until 1896, though you would have probably finished the campaign by this time.. lol
@@Twizted86 You can see them deploy a torch marker to the designated target area, so assume the naval crew observed that being launched and has a rough guesstimate where it went down.
The "close victory" calculations also take into account ammo spent. For some reason. So if you used up most of your ammo, the game thinks it was a close battle. Just Total War being Total War.
I mean, it's not entirely wrong. Imagine if there were few more regiments of the troops to deal with but you had no more ammo to deliver the artillery abuse any more, it might have been just enough critical mass to overwhelm your troops.
It's really important to mind your ammunition in newer total wars if you want to inflict army losses penalty on enemies earlier. The game values archers without ammo as absolutely worthless when it comes to balance of power.
@@TheArklyte 24 Pfund gezogene Hinterlader-Feldgeschütze. Sie haben eine Reichweite von 5 Kilometern und eine beispiellose Präzision. Halten Sie Ihre Ohren zu, meine Herren, nur der Lärm, den sie machen, ist tödlich! Haubitzen!
Against an enemy that took the most basic precautions, artillery barrages were quite slow in doing their damage, judging by Churchill's (yes, that one) 1899 book The River War. The bombardment he describes lasted 90 minutes, and the actual assault still encountered heavy resistance. "The hush of the hour and the suspense of the army were broken by the bang of a gun. Everyone on the ridge jumped up and looked towards the sound. A battery of Krupps a little to the right of the Cameron Highlanders had opened fire. Another gun further to the right was fired. Another shell burst over the straw huts among the palm-trees. The two Maxim-Nordenfeldt batteries had come into action. The officers looked at their watches. It was a quarter-past six. The bombardment had begun. Explosion followed explosion in quick succession until all four batteries were busily engaged. The cannonade grew loud and continuous. The rocket detachment began to fire, and the strange projectiles hissed and screamed as they left the troughs and jerked erratically towards the zeriba. In the air above the enclosure shell after shell flashed into existence, smote the ground with its leaden shower, and dispersed-a mere film-into the haze and smoke which still hung over the Dervish encampment. At the very first shot all the dirty-white figures disappeared, bobbing down into their pits and shelters; but a few solitary horsemen remained motionless for a while in the middle of the enclosure, watching the effect of the fire, as if it had no concern with them. The British infantry stood up on tip-toe to look at the wonderful spectacle of actual war, and at first every shell was eagerly scrutinised and its probable effect discussed. But the busy gunners multiplied the projectiles until so many were alive in the air at once that all criticism was prevented. Gradually even the strange sight became monotonous. The officers shut up their glasses. The men began to sit down again. Many of them actually went to sleep. The rest were soon tired of the amazing scene, the like of which they had never looked on before, and awaited impatiently further developments and 'some new thing.'"
I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS VIDEO FOR SO LONG! I played Shogun 2 a long time ago and just crushed everything with cannons and was really hoping you would make this. Thank you so much!
There's a reason why artillery is the most casualty inducing weapon in the battlefield. Why fight with swords when you can blow the enemy up from a safe distance?
@@xChitenshi it almost always has been. Fighting with swords is not more morale than fighting with artillery or guns, the only exception may be chemical warfare, fire and nuclear weaponry.
@@superwatcher456no, fight with swords is a noble which is determined by opponent’s skill. You also die from the hand of the human. Saying that industrial warfare is no different from ancient warfare is crazy
Thats the point of Basic Training... teach them they are sacrificial but if they are REALLY good at it they may become important enough to make it worth it and more likely to survive at the same time. At least thats how it used to be.
Note: Defenders during a siege have a massive disadvantage. Fortifications are immobile. If you have longer-range weapons (like a cannon) then their fortifications become their tomb. Having your enemy sally forth is only advantageous if their weapons have a longer range than your own
oh no, the thumbnail fooled me! here i thought i was clicking on a brand new ISP video filled with memes but instead i now know all the secrets of Japanese warfare.
17:10 Kintamas out for the four brave souls who actually decided to continue the defense against the mighty Spiff. Pour out some tea for that bravery (perhaps not the good tea though, not the Yorkshire Gold).
satsuma can get an insane accuracy pretty early for units from their home province, because they have a weapon factory and increase it more by training camp ,plus getting an officer to make all units to max rank and by the end canons will have 70-80 accuracy ,same for infantry, but infantry will have around 110
Someone: "No you cannot build your army only out of canons!" Me: *builds Late tier cannon army and bombards Japan* Me: "Very bold for someone in my canon range."
@@jamesmeppler6375 No, but their standard peasant units are massively upgraded making them close in strength to samurai while having like 100 more men on large unit scale. They are also less than half the price and upkeep cost. Also they can be recruited from any city faster and at higher rank.
@@SkarScreaner oh snap, makes sense historically speaking, the oda army had a knack for flipping enemy armies and generals. Perhaps ill give the Oda a try, I was thinking of a Takeda game but they can be tricky
"I love the smell of War Crimes in the morning!" Not going to lie: I nearly spit my coffee out when you said that. Excellent line, incredible enthusium.
Dude your vids make me feel so cozy and relaxed it's crazy. Love seeing new vids show up in my recommended box. Nothing beats laying in bed and chilling out with the spiff
I haven't played a lot of this games but my favorite battle I've ever done was in medieval 2 (I think) on the colonial expansion. I had a single cannon and like a unit of infantry and one of cavalry defending against an enormous army with a dinky little settlement. My strategy was to literally oprn the doors for them and since they all lined up I cannoned the fuck out of the entire army while my cavalry went for their comander. Won that battle with the skin of my teeth it was great.
I think I've just realised what you are Spiff, you are the Baptism of Fire for any and all 4X games! You receive a beta version of an unreleased game, exploit the Dickens out of it, and then give the broken mess back to the devs so they can fix it. And you make some of the best RUclips content while doing so! I salute you good Sir!
Spiff, I'd just like you to know that you've broken RUclips recommendations so completely that this video was repeated in my feed 4 times just now. Literally, scrolling down it was once every 3 or 4 videos. Well done.
Same, thank you spiffing britt! He didnt mention canons can glitch the game. This is the only game i lost in the tutorial. Cannons couldnt be selected so i had to take on a castle with ninja...i lost bad
I did in fact buy it, and FYI this is a 9.99 addon dlc, didn't know that, bought it, was confused, felt dumb later. Either way first ever RTS game I've ever played and it's pretty fun.
‘What do get when you combine all of those things? You get war crimes, ladies and gentleman. And today we’re going to be perpetuating some of those lovely war crimes.’ Subbed.
Hattori in the standard campaign is so beautifully balanced!! You get scout deployment for basically your entire army... hope to see a video using it soon!
They really need to make a game in FoS time period but in Europe or the Americas. Realistically the cannons aren’t that OP, but when half your enemies are charging a battery of explosive shells with katanas and spears, it sure seems that way. I’ve noticed when you fight another modernized clan the game gets much more balanced, which is also why a TW title in the same time period but in a region where almost every faction is modernized would be a lot of fun
Use Chosokabe’s Daikyu samurai archers for a different video, they have a larger range than any other archers so for sieges you just get to block out the sun with arrows while the AI sits there
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"Cannons need to be nerfed"
-Every Infantryman since the invention Gunpowder
"Nope" -Every Artilleryman, ever.
Proximity fuse has been unlocked~~~
Except for the infantry who have artillery support who only fight people without artillery.
Also, some probably would like artillery accuracy buffed. Friendly fire *isn't!*
@@Nerdnumberone look man, it’s not my fault, I told my CoC I was dyslexic before they put me in the FDC. It’s 100% on them if destroy the mout town 1200m outside the safety box.
Infantry when they make trenches: Hehe boi
"God favours the side with the most artillery"- Napoleon
YES I WANT MORE OF THIS
Waterloo: LMAO nope =D
French flag at 9:10
Yeah i remember something like that on total war 2
@@АльбинФест waterloo was nothing just look at Leipzig napoleon outnumbered 2 to one encircled the largest battle in the history of Europe at the time nearly 500,000 soldiers deployed and yet napoleon still inflicted more casualties on the enemy before he was eventually overrun.
@@spadegaming6348 it was the largest battle prior to WW1
"Noone would do entire armies out of artillery" -
**nervously looks at all the hellstorm missile batteries behind him**
Balthasar Approves
The nightmare of HOI4 youtubers, artillery only.
WELCOME TO ESTALIA, GENTLEMEN!
The BANEBLADE !!!
but i always do
"If cannonballs you refuse to yeet, be prepared to suffer defeat."
-Sun Tzu, most likely
Sun Tzu would cream himself if he saw artillery
@@the_luckiest_charm The victor is decided before the battle begins - Sun Tzu
We have cannons, bitch - Us
Pretty sure it was Gandhi
@@the_luckiest_charm 99% of all pre cannon generals would cream themselves
@@Borgolii No his was about nuclear bombs.
If you ever play this online with someone else who’s obsessed with artillery, things turn into WWI very quickly.
Historically Accurate
Actually did it, basically became trench warfare
And the soldier will get shell shocked like Jeremy from 18:04
Lmao
@@thefoxita1634 I hope that your trenches stayed dry, don’t want any trench foot going around.
"If you want to make money or get your country invaded then export tea to the British"
Old timey gambling at its finest
Äh yes, it all comes together
Why not both?
Actually, the japanese only traded with the dutch and japanese.
@@thespiffingbrit export tea, then stop and ask for more money
@@cancerino666 they didn't want any christian missionaries because they saw how they were used to divide and conquer
"Yeet beyond the actual accuracy of this cannon"
@@thespiffingbrit go beyond YEET ULTRA!
@@thespiffingbrit That could be an overpriced shirt.
@@gamingforever9121 hello fellow Mha weeb
@@thespiffingbrit I just need to find a cannon to shove myself in it.
It's similar to things like VATS in Fallout 3, NV, and 4: the listed accuracy is limited in range and skill, but if the player skill is high, they can snipe from far greater distances than the maximum VATS range. I like games that include a way for less skilled players to survive, but that include a way for skilled players to thrive.
Cannons are overpowered
Spiff is overpowered
=> Spiff is a Cannon confirmed
@@thespiffingbrit :^D
Spiff then how do you explain the oil canisters
And pirchforks
Too be "cannon" in French actually mean to be super sexy . It's confirmed Spiff is super sexy ! *o*
😂
4:12
People of Tsushima "don't worry the ghost will save us!!!"
" ghost gets bonked by a cannon ball"
I guess you could say the ghost was shelled.
And no I'm not sorry.
Lovely stuff
- SpiffingBrit
Underrated comment, specially when I tried this, and I bonked some Kisho Ninja units, it was brilliant. So confirmed the ghost can definetly be killed by artilery.
@@ahopefor Take my like and go
Ghost = B U S T E D
"I love the smell of war crimes in the morning."
- Every British imperialist ever
haha
Cringe
brittish?
why did you put an extra t instead removing one?
I love the smell of war crimes in the morning.....
Smells like Victory
Spiff: "This is why cannons are so unfair."
Me: "That is historically quite accurate."
This game needs a Franco-Prussian war expansion. The mechanics are perfect for 19th century warfare. Too bad you'll have to be satisfied with Warhammer 7.
@@DrWongburger Thank you dear time traveler for confirming warhammer 7!
@@FurArmoredBear lol just planning ahead. I've already began giving up hope on the series, which hurts because it has always been my favorite.
@@DrWongburger whoaaa whoa whoa whoa whoa, this is Japan this game's focused on, get that dlc on the appropriate title
@@DrWongburger Warhammer 7? Thank god, CA has finally given up on appeasing the tight arsed "my way or the high way" historic players!
aka: Using boosted colonial military technology to make it equivalent to modern military technology to dominate weebs
Become a knock of British Empire in these 3 simple steps
GAGAGAGAGAGA!!! I want to cut my toe nails... NEVER! I am the feet RUclipsr. Thanks for being a fan, dear spi
...How can actual Japanese be weebs?
Can you be a weeb and a Japanese person in Japan?
Tbf, my old Japanese teacher (Japanese born and bred) referred to the kind of Japanese folk weebs try to emulate as "f*ckin-gu weeb-zu ne!".
He drank a lot of whiskey and whisky... he was hilarious.
Spiff: "Cannons are incredibly overpowered!"
History: "Yes."
Reminds me of WoWS's complaints about Aircraft Carriers.
Agincourt but it explodes
@@Just_A_DudeIn this case it's a little more justified because yes Aircraft Carriers are incredibly powerful but this was due to the fact that you would be attacked by a massive wave of aircraft from 10's of kilometers away and you'd never get a chance to shoot at them. And (unlike in WoWS) when they did get attacked they had a habit of going up in flames and are incredibly fragile to this day. lots of things that go boom on board. Meanwhile in WoWS you can shoot at them with a 406mm HE salvo and barely scratch the paint, where as historically that would have disabled the ship for the battle if it didn't completely destroy it. anyways this has been my presentation on why I shouldn't read the comments on youtube. goodbye
15 years of hardcore training as samurai warrior just to be hit by a random shrapnel before you can even draw your sword in battle.
Why knights/samurai where phases out in a nutshell
The easier to use and shorter training for decent tactics (gun goes this way, firing lines, working with cavalry) made it so experience mattered less. You wanted as many guns and as many people as possible to make hailstorms of lead.
AKA, what Spiff does here!
Yeah I remember playing like this. I also remember what happened to you: When the guns get really accurate, they aim not towards the center of an enemy formation but instead to the sides. So I manually aimed my shrapnel shots and turned off auto fire. Killing 500 men in a single volley is entirely feasible this way. Also the US marines get crazy good at level 5 and above.
"Artillery brings dignity to what would otherwise be a vulgar brawl".
Said by Frederick the great.
Refined by Spiffing Brit.
That's 18th century tho. Who knows what he would've thought about it after a century or two. Cuz artillery became overpowering.
Refined by Spiff the Brit.
"God fights on the side with the best artillery" - Napoleon
@@boceksiadam He would've said that they've tainted his precious artillery and used it for "vulgar brawls". 🤣
I saw the title and was like: "What? European Cannons suck in Shogun 2! It's FOTS, makes a LOT more sense"
@@thespiffingbrit the miracles of rifling
Pilps would have words with thee
Well, they suck when they are on land. European ships in vanilla Shogun 2 are so OP you can destroy almost any fleet with just one Nanban trade ship. Then, there is the almighty Black ship thats even more OP, but there is only one and you must capture it. Its so powerful that facing it with a japanese fleet feels like a bossfight.
Lmao same here.
@@igorokinamujika2073 sounds fun
"God favours the side with the most artillery"- Napoleon
i don't think napoleon is a great example of God's favor
@@Jamie-st6of he said it just to express the importance of artillery
@@Jamie-st6of how so?
@@greatandmightykevin the underlying information is that napoleon and his regime were very much atheistic, and I'm sure you can imagine somebody equating "God's Favor" (finger quotes and all) with victory. Hence, more artillery is the key factor says napoleon.
@@jasonisbored6679 ah, i see
funniest part of this video is Spiff naming a random japanese soldier "Jeremy"
That's modern Latinisation in a nutshell, my friend. Take something foreign, make it sound okay in english, and then try to spell it. Then ignore all that, and give it your own name.
Hufff now it wont be funny since you commented
*O B A M A*
@@jazermano latinisation is a dumb word. Just like latinist. Roman time period has way too much bias. High key the existence of that name makes me feel ashamed for being a history buff. Just so childish and gimmicky. There's no such thing as a latinist, you're either historian or your not, specializing in one time period doesn't turn you into a sub cat historian. It's dumb.
it's required for the exploit to grow exponentially
I love Fall of the Samurai. It's an amazing total war game. I typically take over a decent region of japan then stop all expansion as I spend the next 50 turns developing my economy so I have a military industrial complex that is able to overwhelm any and all contenders.
I just wish it did not have the audio bugs. Decking out the entire line with musket armed troops only for them to fire and you barely hearing any firing sounds.. it really takes away the "oomph" that a battle should have.
@@DutchGuyMike You have plenty of oomph when you do naval bombardment. You'll have the mother of all oomphs.
I feel so bad for him being so proud of his reload skill on the cannons. As I played and studied this game for 2800 hours I can say there are reload caps on multiple units, including cannon. Basically reload improvements on Armstrongs cannons has no effect as its based in the code of the game that a unit has to have a minnimum reload time and Armstrongs reached that with their base reload already so the increased stats there changed nothing. Also the accuracy is kinda capped, its still getting better with every point but after like 90 accuracy the differences are just not really noticable anymore. But still a nice video :)
@@thespiffingbrit iirc reload caps are limited by animation speed, and animation speeds have a hard upper limit to keep it from looking janky. I used to make mods for this game.
@@conradk.3098 fun
@@thespiffingbrit No worries not many people know that. Shogun 2 is full of Mechanics and secrets I found out only slowly over time. When I heard of it I didn't believed it too, but I tested with a friend in testbattles. If you want to know another secret about cannons I discovered, here is the timebomb: Have your cannons fire at will off, activate shrapnell and use selfaiming. The cannonball will stuck in the ground and release a shrapnell explosion after multiple seconds. Its not op but very fun to use as in battles it takes alot prediction ;) In case you consider doing another video about Shogun 2 feel free to ask me for other perfectly balanced mechanics
@@conradk.3098 its the same in all total war games, you cant increase stats beyond what the animation dictates; attack/movement/reload speeds are generally capped at one point.
@@steffennilsen2132 Yeah thats true, but in most TW games you usally don't reach caps(that easy). In Shogun 2 however there are so many different skills that can boost the same thing. Like in his video he had Ganbatte that boosts reload, inspire does aswell and also skilltrees. In multiplayer there are even dojos that boost reload by 20 and not seldom I have seen player being so proud of their line infantery having over 100 reload already (cap is between 80-90 I guess) and still activating supressive fire(+20 reload -20 accuracy) so they effectively weakened their unit. In other TW games you don't really have to care about such caps thats why most people don't know caps exist in Shogun 2
"Cannons are overpowered" - yeah that is generally the conclusion drawn when peoples first encounter the guys with the cannons for the first time
I cant believe the devs have let the cannon meta go unchecked for this long
@@Freekymoho they've kinda been phased out now, missiles are the only real strategy at the moment
@@Luci_Diavol misiles are just further up the cannon tech tree
@@Freekymoho ah, I see
@@Freekymoho that's why we have warhammer where the cannons get shed by flying units
playing war game;
*Shoots cannon*
**strike**
What
@@thespiffingbrit lol
@@thespiffingbrit Can't wait for Wii Waterboarding
@@nontowfoo don’t they already have that?
I couldn't let pass a video with such a starting.
I love the idea that naval bombardment was like from a WW2 Battleship with radio equipment to pick the exact place to target
radio was required when a ship can't even see the target area. But,in this game most beach battles are open n ships can calculate how far they need to shoot without radio.
@@rikrishshrestha5421 500 meters is maximum you can get with those cannons
I know it's not 100% accurate, but the game is set in the late 1860s and the first spark-gap radios were being used around 1896, which were basically wireless telegraph machines, which were used later ship-to-shore and shore-to-ship transmissions.. so with a little imagination you could apply the knowledge to a playthrough of your own neglecting to use the naval bombardment until 1896, though you would have probably finished the campaign by this time.. lol
Flag relays maybe?
@@Twizted86 You can see them deploy a torch marker to the designated target area, so assume the naval crew observed that being launched and has a rough guesstimate where it went down.
"These are not my quotes."
- Sun Tzu
Thank you!
Let's just take a minute to appreciate what a absolute masterpiece Shogun 2 actually was.
YES!
And then Rome 2 came and had to fuck it up 😟
Shogun 2 was peak Total War, the high point.
@@marc0523 yes but now we need Empire 2 or total war after napeleon lost at about 1850???
Yes indeed
The "close victory" calculations also take into account ammo spent. For some reason.
So if you used up most of your ammo, the game thinks it was a close battle.
Just Total War being Total War.
I mean, it's not entirely wrong. Imagine if there were few more regiments of the troops to deal with but you had no more ammo to deliver the artillery abuse any more, it might have been just enough critical mass to overwhelm your troops.
Ah that explains some of my "close" but not close defensive battles as Dwarves or High Elves.
Well I mean... if there are 1000 men and 1000 bullets and you use them all, and kill them all while losing no-one. I don't think that's close.
It's really important to mind your ammunition in newer total wars if you want to inflict army losses penalty on enemies earlier.
The game values archers without ammo as absolutely worthless when it comes to balance of power.
@@Oblithian but like, what if only 3/4 hit? now you've got to fight melee with literal spearmen and samurai, with what, bayonets?
"The sky's the limit when you manually controll the cannon ball" - The Spiffing Brit
"Artillery adds dignity, to what would otherwise be an ugly brawl" Alte Fritz of Prussia (Aka Frederick the Great)
They explode with dignity.
@@sirbill_greebi3811 Chunky salsa, now with added dignity.
Artillery no longer dignified. Just outright slaughter. Boy, would he have wept!
"Horses weren't designed to defeat cannonballs with their faces."
- The Spiffing Brit
"Why fight people when you can just yeet cannons at them?"
Americans: "Yeah, we know".
Napoleon: Hey! I did that shit before it was cool
Intro clip.
Spiff: "Oh, I'm sure you have heard about cannons before, but have you heard about _HOWITZERS?"_
HAUBITZEN!
@@stndunnam Howitzer=Гаубица
@@TheArklyte 24 Pfund gezogene Hinterlader-Feldgeschütze. Sie haben eine Reichweite von 5 Kilometern und eine beispiellose Präzision. Halten Sie Ihre Ohren zu, meine Herren, nur der Lärm, den sie machen, ist tödlich!
Haubitzen!
"I Love the smell of War Crimes in the morning."
Well alright, glad to be subscribed.
It's really fun watching Spiff get all excited about artillery, this makes me wonder if the generals of old just before WW1 felt about the same way.
Against an enemy that took the most basic precautions, artillery barrages were quite slow in doing their damage, judging by Churchill's (yes, that one) 1899 book The River War. The bombardment he describes lasted 90 minutes, and the actual assault still encountered heavy resistance.
"The hush of the hour and the suspense of the army were broken by the bang of a gun. Everyone on the ridge jumped up and looked towards the sound. A battery of Krupps a little to the right of the Cameron Highlanders had opened fire. Another gun further to the right was fired. Another shell burst over the straw huts among the palm-trees. The two Maxim-Nordenfeldt batteries had come into action. The officers looked at their watches. It was a quarter-past six. The bombardment had begun.
Explosion followed explosion in quick succession until all four batteries were busily engaged. The cannonade grew loud and continuous. The rocket detachment began to fire, and the strange projectiles hissed and screamed as they left the troughs and jerked erratically towards the zeriba. In the air above the enclosure shell after shell flashed into existence, smote the ground with its leaden shower, and dispersed-a mere film-into the haze and smoke which still hung over the Dervish encampment. At the very first shot all the dirty-white figures disappeared, bobbing down into their pits and shelters; but a few solitary horsemen remained motionless for a while in the middle of the enclosure, watching the effect of the fire, as if it had no concern with them. The British infantry stood up on tip-toe to look at the wonderful spectacle of actual war, and at first every shell was eagerly scrutinised and its probable effect discussed. But the busy gunners multiplied the projectiles until so many were alive in the air at once that all criticism was prevented. Gradually even the strange sight became monotonous. The officers shut up their glasses. The men began to sit down again. Many of them actually went to sleep. The rest were soon tired of the amazing scene, the like of which they had never looked on before, and awaited impatiently further developments and 'some new thing.'"
@@ingold1470my man just wrote an entire essay
I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS VIDEO FOR SO LONG! I played Shogun 2 a long time ago and just crushed everything with cannons and was really hoping you would make this. Thank you so much!
136 accuracy = "Get wrecked. Sincerly, the cannon standing 89 miles away from you."
The Geneva convention is more like a todo-list.
The Geneva suggestion*
"to-don't-list"*
Didn't even exist during the time of Shogun 2, apologies for ruining the joke but if it wasn't me then it would of been someone else
@@ahopefor You're good, no worries. :p I'd also be "that guy" to state the obvious. Your response still made me chuckle nevertheless. Cheers.
well, now you know where the idea to write this convention actually came from...
Mongolian army: defeated almost entirely by Jin Sakai alone
Spiffing Brit with his spicy iron sticks: heavenly strike this you casual
I honestly thought there would me more people making references to ghost of tsushima
'spicy iron sticks' ahh yes, my favorite tool for realizing empirial ambitions!
"We haven't even touched the castle yet"
*Points to one of the 400 holes in the wall
There's a reason why artillery is the most casualty inducing weapon in the battlefield. Why fight with swords when you can blow the enemy up from a safe distance?
The first task of artillery is usually to duel with the enemy artillery. Artillerymen have it worse than people think.
and that's when war has entirely stopped to be anything else than mass murder :(
@@xChitenshi War has always been, by definition, mass murder ...
@@xChitenshi it almost always has been. Fighting with swords is not more morale than fighting with artillery or guns, the only exception may be chemical warfare, fire and nuclear weaponry.
@@superwatcher456no, fight with swords is a noble which is determined by opponent’s skill. You also die from the hand of the human. Saying that industrial warfare is no different from ancient warfare is crazy
hearing "It can be doubled from 38 to 68" killed something inside me
mafs
Haha. It's 76
Imagine being told you're only 'slightly' sacrificial. That'll boost the men's morale.
Thats the point of Basic Training... teach them they are sacrificial but if they are REALLY good at it they may become important enough to make it worth it and more likely to survive at the same time.
At least thats how it used to be.
"we have sailed onto the lovely isle of Tsushima"
Careful that Jin is not around.
He could probably singlehandedly thwart such an invasion
“This is why cannons are so unfair” in a British accent is probably what the Zulu War sounded like.
Note: Defenders during a siege have a massive disadvantage. Fortifications are immobile. If you have longer-range weapons (like a cannon) then their fortifications become their tomb. Having your enemy sally forth is only advantageous if their weapons have a longer range than your own
"It was the most beautiful thing I ever saw." -US Artillery Officer at Gettysburg on Pickett's Charge
This is what it was like when they were first invented
@@thespiffingbrit oh no you didn't
oh no, the thumbnail fooled me! here i thought i was clicking on a brand new ISP video filled with memes but instead i now know all the secrets of Japanese warfare.
what
Yes fr
Watched the entirety of this video while taking a crap sitting on a toilet. I don't know why, but for some reason it just felt right.
based
"Oh no cannons in the game are broken, we must disable chat rooms"
-CA
*PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT*
"Remember to be drinking your warm cups of tea ladies and gentlemen!" 🍵 🇬🇧
I DO AND YOU ALL SHOULD ITS NOT A SCAM
Maybe I will, but idk what tea to drink today
@@colewegner7576 Might I suggest Yorkshire Gold?
Is a cup of Barry's tea allowed?
Seems like Spiff finally makes ARTILERY ONLY
14:46 "Oh this is brilliant, look at the casualties!" - Spiffing Brit 2021
when spiff said "easy peazy walk through the park" my brain heard "easy peazy war crimes through the park...'
--both were accurate
The joy he said "war crimes" with though xD
Every time. He's a mad man.
I saw this video and accidentally read "Total War: Shotgun 2" and what I got was not disappointing at all xD
I mean.... it is not wrong
I mean.... it is not wrong
Go look for a video titled *the Otomo experience* and read through the comments. One of them had that same experience as yours
Total Shogun 2 developers when you're yeeting:
"What are forward observers for anyway?"
General: Artilleryman, do you see that army?
Gunner: Yes sir
General: I don't want to
Gunner: Yes sir
(from an old 40k meme)
Pretty sure it's a joke from one of the World Wars where it's a tank commander saying that, an artilleryman would say "removing that direction"
Every few months I get bored of everyone on RUclips and have to find another streamer I can binge. You are that new streamer my friend.
Spiff: *goes to tsushima*
The ghost of tsushima: “goddamn it now i gotta do a whole other game-i mean war campaign, yes”
"Canons are op" - this is how you know this game is historically accurate
I absolutely love the Armstrong gun in FOTS, it's so powerful and fun to use
"Canon is a massive sniper that can outclassed modern sniper"
How is this comment both edited and illiterate?
"If you want to made money or your country invaded just export tea to the British" -Spiff
Spiff : Goes to invade Tsushima
"successfully invades Tsushima"
Me : It would appear Jin Sakai is already dead or just isn't born yet
17:10 Kintamas out for the four brave souls who actually decided to continue the defense against the mighty Spiff. Pour out some tea for that bravery (perhaps not the good tea though, not the Yorkshire Gold).
"I do not have to tell you who won the war. You know, the artillery did" - George Pattin
*pissed off metal bird noises*
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon Bonaparte
Patton* for next time.
satsuma can get an insane accuracy pretty early for units from their home province, because they have a weapon factory and increase it more by training camp ,plus getting an officer to make all units to max rank and by the end canons will have 70-80 accuracy ,same for infantry, but infantry will have around 110
Brit's soldier: what are you doing general (in a stereotypical japanese english accent)
spiffing brit: 6:56
Someone: "No you cannot build your army only out of canons!"
Me: *builds Late tier cannon army and bombards Japan*
Me: "Very bold for someone in my canon range."
Sounds like America forcing japan to industrialize circa 1900
"God is on the side with the best artillery"
- Oki Takato, after exploding all of Japan
Next time:
Oda are a perfectly balanced clan with no exploits
Does the oda get the genius toyatomi hideyoshi? Granted that wasnt his name till after oda nobunaga died
@@jamesmeppler6375 No, but their standard peasant units are massively upgraded making them close in strength to samurai while having like 100 more men on large unit scale. They are also less than half the price and upkeep cost. Also they can be recruited from any city faster and at higher rank.
@@SkarScreaner oh snap, makes sense historically speaking, the oda army had a knack for flipping enemy armies and generals. Perhaps ill give the Oda a try, I was thinking of a Takeda game but they can be tricky
@@jamesmeppler6375
Takeda require excellent micro on cav.
@@nogisonoko5409 No. You can win as the Takeda ignoring cav entirely.
"I love the smell of War Crimes in the morning!"
Not going to lie: I nearly spit my coffee out when you said that. Excellent line, incredible enthusium.
@The spiffing Brit RUclips *Sips Coffee Defiantly*
The giddiness of Spiff when he calls in naval bombardments is so very British.
"Yeet" for Disntace, "Kobe" for Accuracy.
-Sun Tzu
Spiff: ”Saga has a very unique bonus”
Me: Zombies?
6:24 "Oh, I love the smell of war crimes in the morning!" might be the spiffiest thing Spiff has ever said
Definitely want to see more of this series. Everytime I play shogun 2 I always go hard for artillery and clean up every battle
Wow, I just installed and played Total War: Shogun 2 again yesterday, and you uploaded a video of it today, thanks!
"I love the smell of war crimes in the morning"
~ The Spiffing Brit
For once, I’m the person behind the screen going, “Yup, that’s broken, that’s broken, and that’s REALLY broken.”
Artillery FTW.
Spiff: "... But that's a sacrifice I'm more than willing to take"
Me, cringing: "you don't 'take' a sacrifice, you 'make' it!!"
reasons why i love your contact
first- you know how to have fun
second- you help me learn english
Dude your vids make me feel so cozy and relaxed it's crazy. Love seeing new vids show up in my recommended box. Nothing beats laying in bed and chilling out with the spiff
Spiff : "i love the smell of war crimes in the morning"
Spiff : ahh Lovely tea !
I haven't played a lot of this games but my favorite battle I've ever done was in medieval 2 (I think) on the colonial expansion. I had a single cannon and like a unit of infantry and one of cavalry defending against an enormous army with a dinky little settlement.
My strategy was to literally oprn the doors for them and since they all lined up I cannoned the fuck out of the entire army while my cavalry went for their comander. Won that battle with the skin of my teeth it was great.
"Oh yes, there is no escape from these war-crimes!" xDxDxDxD
I think I've just realised what you are Spiff, you are the Baptism of Fire for any and all 4X games! You receive a beta version of an unreleased game, exploit the Dickens out of it, and then give the broken mess back to the devs so they can fix it. And you make some of the best RUclips content while doing so! I salute you good Sir!
Spiff, I'd just like you to know that you've broken RUclips recommendations so completely that this video was repeated in my feed 4 times just now. Literally, scrolling down it was once every 3 or 4 videos.
Well done.
Two years I’ve been waiting on you to make this vid two years I tell you
Same, thank you spiffing britt! He didnt mention canons can glitch the game.
This is the only game i lost in the tutorial. Cannons couldnt be selected so i had to take on a castle with ninja...i lost bad
Lowkey this is the kind of video that makes you want to play the game yourself.
I did in fact buy it, and FYI this is a 9.99 addon dlc, didn't know that, bought it, was confused, felt dumb later. Either way first ever RTS game I've ever played and it's pretty fun.
a lesser known unique skill that the Saga faction has is necromancy
‘What do get when you combine all of those things? You get war crimes, ladies and gentleman. And today we’re going to be perpetuating some of those lovely war crimes.’
Subbed.
Hattori in the standard campaign is so beautifully balanced!! You get scout deployment for basically your entire army... hope to see a video using it soon!
"Oh, this is just fantastic... all of this...all of this blob of men!" Happy Pride month from Spiffing Brit!
They really need to make a game in FoS time period but in Europe or the Americas. Realistically the cannons aren’t that OP, but when half your enemies are charging a battery of explosive shells with katanas and spears, it sure seems that way. I’ve noticed when you fight another modernized clan the game gets much more balanced, which is also why a TW title in the same time period but in a region where almost every faction is modernized would be a lot of fun
May I suggest Ultimate General: Civil War? Although it's not a Total War game, the battle system is fairly similar.
Use Chosokabe’s Daikyu samurai archers for a different video, they have a larger range than any other archers so for sieges you just get to block out the sun with arrows while the AI sits there
This is just one of the BEST total war videos I've ever watched👌
Finally Shogun 2. I waited a long time for this