@@ogaucho6235 Given that Rome conquered Gaul and after the pacification, it became a positive cash flow to Rome through slave trade and taxation, is it not exactly what happened? Gaul was never one of the richest provinces, but it was definitely not a net draw on later Rome's resources.
“Give me all of your land and money” “What do we get in return?” “I will forgive you for past grievances” “Spectacular deal” “Also can we form an alliance” “You’re too demanding”
Trying to do an inflation adjustment for that far back in history is really not a great idea. The economy, relative prices of goods, cost of living, etc. were so completely different from today. Usually, historians do monetary comparison between the distant past and present by talking about how many days/months/years worth of a certain category of worker's wages an item or service would cost.
GAGAGAGAGAGA! I will now count to 3 and then I am still the unprettiest RUclipsr of all time. 1...2...3. GAGAGAGAGAGA!!! Thank you for your attention, dear igor
This video is the absolute embodiment of that "Trade Offer" meme going around. I Receive: All your money and land. You Receive: Us forgiving a "grievance"
apparently caesar didn't need to cross the rubicon or march on rome, he just needed a really convincing diplomat and an army of peasants and mercenaries
"Flavius Julius! What is best in life?" "To Negotiate grievance compensation with your enemies, to have them willingly hand over all their settlements and gold, and to hear the lamentation of their womanly armies!!"
@@raycearcher5794 Ah! A fan of the American civilisation, I see? The actual one - not the one in the game. Oh. Well technically. Nevermind. That's the end of that comment
this is central bank hellacoptah munee quantity ease doctrine in a nutshell. (you don't have to understand what I just said, just some economic talk stuff to irritate non-economy uber biznezz people like myself).
@@a-blivvy-yus I sometimes pressed 'decline' out of curiosity, just to see what's going to happen. unfortunately, I never was attacked. not right away, at least. AI is dumb like a yard of woodtrail and inconsistent.
Spiff:Hey can i buy your house? Sure here you go. 2 seconds later Spiff:wait why are you on my land!!! I haven't gotten the chance to leave? spiff: pay me 0_0 👏🏾🤲🏾
"I will wrong you, then you will compensate me with every last city of your empire and a regular payment until the end of days." Sounds like a true Brit.
Actually fun fact that was a French tactic after the Hatian slaves freed themselves their armada aimed their cannons and demanded compensation for lost property, Haiti has the richest natural resources in the earth but are poor because the debt wasn’t paid for 2012, that being said Britain is heavily involved with satanism so fuck the govs
Bear in mind that the game doesn't officially become playable until April 29, and that the early access version only goes to turn 25, so actually winning in 12 turns is quite a feat for the long campaign
And here I though the compensation option would be some cool historical mechanic in which you can actually touch on ancient conflicts between Rome and other countries.
@@MG-wx9ib , My idea is of him organising a Minecraft Coliseum to make people fight each other and suffer for his amusement. It just doesn't seem like he can start this kinda thing IRL, not yet. But yeah, I mentioned Minecraft, because when for example some brutal stuff is being talked about , like killing each other , in this case Coliseum , is mentioned and you don't wanna get something bad for it, like joke of FBI watching you, or maybe social media platform unironically deleting a comment, there could be added "in Minecraft" in the end .
Devs: "Shall we pay bugfinders to make sure we ship our game bug free?" Devs to devs: "Nahhhhhh, let's just let Spiffing Brit have early access for an exploit video"
Thing is, it's not even a bug. A bug is when a flaw in the code means that certain actions causes the game to glitch and do unintended things. These usually cant be foreseen and need to be tested to be found and fixed. This is much worse, since it's just a poorly thought-through feature that was not properly implemented. They clearly did no work whatsoever to make sure that the AI could use the new feature. They just put it in the game, but clearly did not bother to put in any restrictions on what the AI will accept. This is not a bug, it's just lazy incompetence.
@@gustavchambert7072 It's likely actually a bug from the fix to stop the nonsense that was "AI Requests: Please do not attack. AI Demands: Accept or we will attack." And then upon accepting it, the very next turn they attack.
@@gustavchambert7072 Yeah it's lazy incompetence, because they did not thought that someone would demand regions to compensate for past grievances ^^ Oh and that's still a beta press version, so they're probably correcting that before the release, or a little after, it's not a big deal really ^^
Yeah calling an exploited feature from a pre-release game "incompetence" is ignoring how they purposely let play testers do this shit at all so they can test it out before it's official release. The main issue with Compensation is it working at all at the start of the campaign when all factions start off neutral so therefore a fix should be made to make it useless at the start until you go to war and get a faction to make a ceasefire and make it less likely to get compensation unless you are stronger than them.
I'm pretty sure that you can get an infinite amount of debt... Only thing that happens is you can't build or train units... Or was that just the case in medieval 2, I don't know
Egypt: "We are the mightiest, we have chariots!" Macedon: "Haha! We have phalanx!" Carthage: "Haha! We have mighty elephants!" Spiffing Brit: "Haha! I have diplomats!"
Its just how the deals work in TW, One faction gains the agreed amount, the other one loses it. And the money could go into negatives (at least in the old ones)
It’s especially hilarious if you’ve played the original Rome TW - there diplomacy is totally useless. Factions will practically always attack, never accept ceasefires unless they’re completely thrashed or you don’t share a land border, and will straight up violate alliances if you don’t have strong enough border garrisons - alliances that were basically useless anyways, since even if you offer them money your allies will tell you to get fucked if you ever ask for their assistance in a war effort. The new diplomacy was meant to be a (needed) fix, where breaking treaties has consequences for how factions view you, and you can build sturdier, trusting relationships with allies. Too bad it didn’t even really fix it (allies will still violate treaties with glee) and, apparently, overcorrected factions into accepting stupid bad deals
Your ability to create a massive empire that spans the known world all while being mostly pacifist is amazing. All in 12 dam turns. I honestly didn't even think you would find that many people in 12 turns.
So THIS is why Carthage refused to send Hannibal reinforcements. History makes so much more sense now! Thank you Spiff and creative assembly! I finally understand :D
@@dubuyajay9964 Mansa Musa you mean? One of the supposed richest men in all of history, but I am one to press X to doubt, but of those in the highest bracket of pre-modern times, he was probably one of the people who could flaunt it the most. He was an African warlord who had a kingdom, and once on a pilgrimage he had lines for like a year of gold and servants, and all manner of splendor, that shocked the europeans and foreigners he came across, with fabulous tales of his wealth. Perhaps he was even one of perhaps the top 5 wealthiest people alive in his day. But consider the other options. Emperor's, or like Caesar here that I mention. Mansa Musa got a lot of his wealth from his near total control of his kingdom, which he could take the wealth he generated from as his, because in the large sense, it was. But what if another leader like Caesar has the same ego, and decided to build up such a procession of wealth? I have no doubt they could have managed something similar. But their drug was more in power and authority, and wealth secondary. Though, they did amass all the wealth possible, but not necessarily to all be carried around like that. It does remind me a bit of the pharoah's here. The wealth and power of the pharaoh's built the pyramids, and the greatest one who died and had that pyramid... That is a symbol perhaps, of how they might even eclipse both. But it isn't seen as the same wealth of Mansa Musa, because it was not an 'everlasting line of gold, servants, and splendor'. Which is a really, really inaccurate way to figure out who exactly is the most wealthy individuals in history. But he certainly was one of the ones who could perhaps show it off the best, and left a lot of people with gaping mouths. While others simply made the marvels from their wealth, so that people gaped at the marvels themselves, from their wealth. Understand the difference I am getting at?
@@dubuyajay9964 Np. If I come off as crazy, it is only because I was once pressured into a debate with a couple of people who were absolutely certain he was the richest man ever alive. I happened to think some others were, and in the end, I did a bit of research, reflection, and in the end rather a too long and too passionate debate... And now I seem to have an automatic reflex to want to put things into perspective anytime I see his name brought up. It's a bit silly, perhaps childish, I know, and even more so, few will even care, even those who care about history.
Yeah, they have to know how this is going to end when they hand early access passes to Spiff or, if they're really crazy, Josh from Let's Game It Out, and yet they do it anyways.
@@dubuyajay9964 I've such respect for india. Y'all got fucked with the same stick they used on us. Everything that bitch queen victoria did to us Winston Churchill did to ye
I got a demand from one faction saying I have to pay tribute: 100 denari to per turn for 3 turns. Their offer: accept it we will attack along with paying me 380 denari. I was like.... Yes please!
Remembers me of Total War Troy where I was trading one wheat for basically the entire stock of resources the AI had(including 12K wheat). What are they doing when designing these games
They're probably playing the game as intended, maybe pushing the boundaries with army composition but idk. I'm not a game dev... idk what they do. But... I play games as intended. I find a lot of joy watching this guy break every single game he touches though lol
"Hi, nice to meet you, you've annoyed me, so give me your cities. Now you're annoyed cos I have your cities, so have some money. I don't like your armies hanging around these cities, give me money."
Rome total war Karen edition. She want compensation for merely existing and when you do that she wants compensation for the fact that you compensated them.
This plays out like a skit. Romans: “hey you insulted us, give us all your cities except your capital and 877 gold!” Gauls: “That’s outrageous! We’ve done nothing THAT bad. How about instead, give you 877 gold AND all of our cities except our capital?” Romans: “You shrewd bastard; you’ve got a deal!”
This pleases total war speedrunners world wide. From the 40 second Britannia victory to paying thousands of dollars to walk the Egyptian out of numidia. This pleases us greatly
Horse archer only was my favorite back in the day. Or Numidian cavalry only. You didn't even have to win sieges cause you could just sit outside the city with an army half the size of the garrison, they would come out to fight you and you'd just destroy them...
Pro tip: if you want to demand a city in diplomacy, check where the city locations are... I made a mistake when fighting against the Gauls and they asked for a ceasefire, i demanded a city in return, what i wanted was the city closest to me so i can immediately reinforce it, but i accidentally chose the one on the literal edge of the map, and it got besieged immediately after i ended the turn
You should see if the diplomacy bug I used to exploit works. Basically, if you find any settlement with too high of a population count, you can have a diplomat give it to an enemy faction. The settlement will then have your garisson evacuate it but the settlement will be empty, allowing you to reoccuoy ans exterminate the populace, thereby gaining gold, public order and a buffer time for you to build more upgrades. You can also set taxes to very high for maximum income per turn. This strategy snowballs in the mid to late game since you can do this to all your settlements in a single turn, thereby gaining up to hundreds of thousands of denarii per turn and eliminating squalor and discontent while you're at it. TLDR: Routinely surrender cities over to your enemies, exterminate your former citizens and you will remain rich, powerful and the people will love you for using their dead family's fortunes to upgrade the infrastructure while allowing you to tax them at the highest bracket. Who knew routine genocide would be so profitable?
Wow! You must have Rick from Pawn Stars negotiating for you! Gauls: "I'd like to sell this 100000 dollar painting" Rick the Roman: "I'm taking a huge risk, I have to frame it, I'll offer you a bucket of water and a pencil"
"We're going to build Rome and make the Gauls pay for it!"
Funnier because thats basically what happened.
@@Kelso540 not even close to reality
@@ogaucho6235 I believe he was referencing the video
@@SarudeDanstorm Oh, in that case I retract my complain
@@ogaucho6235 Given that Rome conquered Gaul and after the pacification, it became a positive cash flow to Rome through slave trade and taxation, is it not exactly what happened? Gaul was never one of the richest provinces, but it was definitely not a net draw on later Rome's resources.
"If you wish to break a strategy game, look first to the diplomacy system." -Spiff Tzu
lol... spifftzu, nice.
@@conradk.3098 From the art of tea
@@ZephrymWOW YorkShire Tea that is
Spiff Tzu's art of Yorkshire tea. (Recap)
"did you get the trade rights?"
"Yes."
"What did it cost?"
"Everything"
Worth it
LOL
I literally cannot stop laughing
Perfect !
@@nicolomatias2223 Sounds like a very serious medical condition
wHy yuO kNow PLeY nOrMel?
What a lovely interaction
Spiff is the new legend of total war now :D
@@thespiffingbrit Lovely response to a lovely totally WELL WRITTEN question.
Now yuo see
He JuSt FoRgOt HiS YoRkShIrE TeA
“Give me all of your land and money”
“What do we get in return?”
“I will forgive you for past grievances”
“Spectacular deal”
“Also can we form an alliance”
“You’re too demanding”
"I demand you form an alliance with us, in return we will forget that you declined our offer for an alliance"
"deal"
@@houseking9211 😂
"You can also trade after you give everything to us"
"Now that's some good art of the deal sire"
We asked them nicely
_Inflation adjusted Caeser had a net worth of about 1 trilllion dollars_
Spiffing Brit: "Hold my tea cup."
So... what would Caesar do with 1 trillion pieces of coloured cotton paper?0_o
@@TheArklyte beds?
@@TheArklyte toilet paper
@@TheArklyte a lot of fancy sleevies to hide his armies ^.^
Trying to do an inflation adjustment for that far back in history is really not a great idea. The economy, relative prices of goods, cost of living, etc. were so completely different from today. Usually, historians do monetary comparison between the distant past and present by talking about how many days/months/years worth of a certain category of worker's wages an item or service would cost.
Normal exploiters: "I exploit games already released"
The Spiffing Brit: "Lol, noob, I exploit games before they are released"
GAGAGAGAGAGA! I will now count to 3 and then I am still the unprettiest RUclipsr of all time. 1...2...3. GAGAGAGAGAGA!!! Thank you for your attention, dear igor
Spiffing's exploit is so meta, he even exploited to play the game early.
@@FeyTheBin his exploiting is so meta, it is already occurring in closed beta
is that an exploit in itself?
even more inception: exploiting a game before release, 17 years after release^^
This video is the absolute embodiment of that "Trade Offer" meme going around.
I Receive: All your money and land.
You Receive: Us forgiving a "grievance"
sounds familiar.................
*receive
"I before E, except after C... except for some other words where that isn't true, because English is a confusing mess"
@@fingernecklace4817 I English gooded! :B
More than all their money,
Unless you're practicing weird science.
apparently caesar didn't need to cross the rubicon or march on rome, he just needed a really convincing diplomat and an army of peasants and mercenaries
You be suprised the schemes in history
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His army was pretty much just peasants and mercenaries.
emphasis on the convincing...
@@TheWorkmonkey1 no it wasn't
"Gauls, I hate Gauls!"
*Proceeds to buy their entire empire.*
They can't be Gauls if they're converted into good little Romans. *Taps head while smiling.* :7
It's "Gods, I hate Gauls" though, forgive an old Rome: Total War sentimental. =' )
“The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.” - Sun Tzu
"Flavius Julius! What is best in life?"
"To Negotiate grievance compensation with your enemies, to have them willingly hand over all their settlements and gold, and to hear the lamentation of their womanly armies!!"
@@ianperley233 "The supremer art of war is to exploit bugs before they are patched."
-Sun Tzu 2.0
"If fighting is sure to result in victory then you must fight!" - Sun Tzu said that
22:31 British Diplomat during negotiations for the Treaty of Versailles, 1919 colorized
"I dont think it will be fun Britannia"
exactly my thoughts! wanted to post it too but glad i am not the only one
"Germany! How about some compensation?"
Accurate
“I am altering the deal, pray I don’t alter it any further.” Vader would be proud.
"This deal is pretty darn good and I'm happy to be part of it!" - Supreme Gaul Leader Lando Calrissian
This deal keeps getting worse all the time!
Indeed.
@@Exory94 He's here
Of course ! :)
That Roman diplomat must be one smooth talker to convince people he’s just met to hand over all their money and land for nothing but his words 😂
Giving good ol' Cicero a run for his money...
Could probably talk Zeus into becoming a good, loving, and very faithful husband to Hera.
It's the opposite of how I play Civ, demand 100 bucks from everyone and go to war if they refuse
Charisma 69
@@raycearcher5794
Ah! A fan of the American civilisation, I see?
The actual one - not the one in the game.
Oh. Well technically.
Nevermind. That's the end of that comment
Fascinating. Expanding an entire empire without bloodshed and horrible wars.
Rome with this strategic diplomacy is an absolute glorious victory.
eXchange eXact eXtort eXploit
"can i have your entire land?"
"what can you give in return?"
"nothing"
"deal!
"
No no, I can give you the privilege of giving me massive sums of money for the rest of your life. You're welcome.
this is central bank hellacoptah munee quantity ease doctrine in a nutshell.
(you don't have to understand what I just said, just some economic talk stuff to irritate non-economy uber biznezz people like myself).
@@joehemmann1156 for 21 to 25 years!
i think my favourite one is "Deal! But if you don't accept, we will attack you!"
@@a-blivvy-yus I sometimes pressed 'decline' out of curiosity, just to see what's going to happen. unfortunately, I never was attacked. not right away, at least. AI is dumb like a yard of woodtrail and inconsistent.
Flavius Julius: "personwhoisgoingtogivemeeverythingtheyownsayswhat?"
Gaul chieftain: "What?"
Flavius Julius: "Hah, gottem!"
They would probably have been killed for not speaking latin then robbed but hey Gaulic money is still technically money... I hope
@@fun-kun7137 what?
@@hideouspillow5724 if you know you know
@@Cwrigz yeah that tends to be how knowing things works :/
Outstanding move.
Spiff:Hey can i buy your house?
Sure here you go.
2 seconds later
Spiff:wait why are you on my land!!!
I haven't gotten the chance to leave?
spiff: pay me 0_0 👏🏾🤲🏾
"Give me my house back as compensation"
Imagine being some captain from Carthage, and some dude from your sworn enemy shows up with 18 grand to fund your early retirement
69 👍
Not 69 anymore
😓
"This has been the worst trade deal in the history of trade deals, maybe ever"
-Next Gaul leader, probably
MGGA! Make Gaul Great Again!
"I will wrong you, then you will compensate me with every last city of your empire and a regular payment until the end of days."
Sounds like a true Brit.
Just give me everything you have and you can have some Opium
Ghost reply?
@@bensoncheung2801 probably a deleted comment
Actually fun fact that was a French tactic after the Hatian slaves freed themselves their armada aimed their cannons and demanded compensation for lost property, Haiti has the richest natural resources in the earth but are poor because the debt wasn’t paid for 2012, that being said Britain is heavily involved with satanism so fuck the govs
"Your enemies are weak, confused and thoroughly beaten." Truer words have never been written.
Bear in mind that the game doesn't officially become playable until April 29, and that the early access version only goes to turn 25, so actually winning in 12 turns is quite a feat for the long campaign
The SPQR wasn't ready for it.
"Rome is OP" - literally everyone who ever had war with them.
Until later on.
@@dubuyajay9964 They gave citizenship to everyone. If they hadn't had done that, they still would've conquered.
Meh, Partian horse archers strongly disagree
@@petrmiros9908 and the senate to
@@crypt0sFX no. Just no
And here I though the compensation option would be some cool historical mechanic in which you can actually touch on ancient conflicts between Rome and other countries.
Nope more like taking candy from a premature crack baby
I Came, I Saw, I Spend Money and Auto Resolved.
- Gaius Julius Ceaser
the other way round.
I came, I demand, I was given lands, armies and hella funds.
@@the_rover1 that's what basically happened
Veni, vidi, money money
i came
I came, I became famous, I fucked it up and threw it away.
- Creative Assembly SEGA
Looks like Rome was built in a day.
You beat me to it
@Deborah Ajao built in 12 turns... was that like 4 years or something?
@@jonathanmalangis2323 6
“Art of the Deal: Rome Remastered”
All other factions: "This is the worst trade deal in the history of trade deals, maybe ever"
Yeah, I know Rome and all the shit, but why Colin Farrell is wearing a T-shirt in 350-ish BC?
Thank you for all the likes this is my peak of the YT algorithm...for now (cue sinister laugh)
I grew up with this game, and I've never been so insulted to see what you have done with my boy.
lol. im so glad i didnt buy this AGAIN. looks so bad
@@dolamrothknight yeah there are some issues
I like how the roman commander was "apparently loyal"
was bribed and that gives that trait
Next video: buying the real life Coliseum and making gladiators fight to death
In Minecraft. Or maybe not.
@@БелянцевНиколай Buying the real life Coliseum in minecraft would be somewhat problematic.
@@MG-wx9ib , My idea is of him organising a Minecraft Coliseum to make people fight each other and suffer for his amusement. It just doesn't seem like he can start this kinda thing IRL, not yet. But yeah, I mentioned Minecraft, because when for example some brutal stuff is being talked about , like killing each other , in this case Coliseum , is mentioned and you don't wanna get something bad for it, like joke of FBI watching you, or maybe social media platform unironically deleting a comment, there could be added "in Minecraft" in the end .
Can we pls take a moment in silence and appreciate that Spiff will make the Gladiators come back to the sanctuary of Fight, Death, and Glory?
Julius Caesar: Cant wait to be born and redo my famous battle of Ale...
Flavius: No.
That‘s what I am trying to do now in my campaign
Devs: "Shall we pay bugfinders to make sure we ship our game bug free?"
Devs to devs: "Nahhhhhh, let's just let Spiffing Brit have early access for an exploit video"
Thing is, it's not even a bug. A bug is when a flaw in the code means that certain actions causes the game to glitch and do unintended things. These usually cant be foreseen and need to be tested to be found and fixed.
This is much worse, since it's just a poorly thought-through feature that was not properly implemented. They clearly did no work whatsoever to make sure that the AI could use the new feature. They just put it in the game, but clearly did not bother to put in any restrictions on what the AI will accept. This is not a bug, it's just lazy incompetence.
@@gustavchambert7072 It's likely actually a bug from the fix to stop the nonsense that was
"AI Requests: Please do not attack.
AI Demands: Accept or we will attack."
And then upon accepting it, the very next turn they attack.
@@gustavchambert7072 Bugs can definitely be the result of incompetence.
@@gustavchambert7072 Yeah it's lazy incompetence, because they did not thought that someone would demand regions to compensate for past grievances ^^
Oh and that's still a beta press version, so they're probably correcting that before the release, or a little after, it's not a big deal really ^^
Yeah calling an exploited feature from a pre-release game "incompetence" is ignoring how they purposely let play testers do this shit at all so they can test it out before it's official release. The main issue with Compensation is it working at all at the start of the campaign when all factions start off neutral so therefore a fix should be made to make it useless at the start until you go to war and get a faction to make a ceasefire and make it less likely to get compensation unless you are stronger than them.
"Less bugs"
"Improved features"
Aged like milk lol
The Spiffing Brit: *I'm going to make you an offer **_you cannot refuse_*
"You literally can't refuse. It's coded into the game."
Godfather spiff
The ai: yeah seems good I'll take it
69th 👍
All factions: 'exist'
House of Julii: "and I took that personally"
House of Julii: "and i took that"
You were supposed to say 'it's free real estate'
@@CalgarGTX whoopsy 🙃
Ah yes. The AI has infinite gold. The AI cheats, then we exploit.
So the Al is illegal cheating and we're going to find exploits for cheating legally, correct?
I'm pretty sure that you can get an infinite amount of debt... Only thing that happens is you can't build or train units... Or was that just the case in medieval 2, I don't know
@@gf11511 no. diplomacy money is generated out of thin air.
if you play on very hard the ai gets to cheat even harder letting you exploit even more gold out of them.
@@gabrielho1874 yeah basically
Other nations : Have a settlement
Spiff: Is for me? 👉👈
I see you
I am perceiving you
With both of my irises
Hello
Egypt: "We are the mightiest, we have chariots!"
Macedon: "Haha! We have phalanx!"
Carthage: "Haha! We have mighty elephants!"
Spiffing Brit: "Haha! I have diplomats!"
I'm just imagining the devs watching this and thinking "Oh... Oh no. Oh we gotta fix that."
@DanRage47 I see it for me to pay. No longer can request it
@DanRage47 Yea i was looking for that. Sad, only reason I downloaded the game
so instead of fixing it, they removed it. lol
"This has been the best trade deal in the history of trade deals, maybe ever"
-Some Roman guy.
Sounds like Julius Trumpus
@@irishwristwatch2487 Smallus Handus Orangus
I love how the AI literally cheated to settle the compensation
Its just how the deals work in TW, One faction gains the agreed amount, the other one loses it. And the money could go into negatives (at least in the old ones)
C Mitchell I don't think they cheated. They borrowed the money to Spiff and went hopelessly and irretrievably in the red.
Spiff: "all the other youtubers are playing it how it's meant to be played"
Jon MATN: "time to play Dacia without training any units"
Jon, the master of making games needlessly harder.
@@ThatOnePlaythrough and sometimes it's intentional!
I'm sure this is patched by now or will be soon, but what a hilarious broken diplomacy AI.
It’s especially hilarious if you’ve played the original Rome TW - there diplomacy is totally useless. Factions will practically always attack, never accept ceasefires unless they’re completely thrashed or you don’t share a land border, and will straight up violate alliances if you don’t have strong enough border garrisons - alliances that were basically useless anyways, since even if you offer them money your allies will tell you to get fucked if you ever ask for their assistance in a war effort.
The new diplomacy was meant to be a (needed) fix, where breaking treaties has consequences for how factions view you, and you can build sturdier, trusting relationships with allies. Too bad it didn’t even really fix it (allies will still violate treaties with glee) and, apparently, overcorrected factions into accepting stupid bad deals
@@sammosaurusrex That is why I prefer Rome 2. With Rome 1 you are always in permanent war with all factions. There is no diplomacy.
144p 👍
@@MizterMoonshine well, preferring rome 2 seems like curing your itching toe by amputating a leg
@@sammosaurusrex have you ever seen a RTW speedrun? They all abuse Diplomacy like this.
Not even the magic potion can save Asterix from this one.
Gold Coins>Magic Potions.
"There's no way they'll give us the gold" .... Oh Spiff, they allllways give us the gold
You know Spiff is having fun when he’s actually genuinely laughing for once
42nd 👍
Your ability to create a massive empire that spans the known world all while being mostly pacifist is amazing. All in 12 dam turns. I honestly didn't even think you would find that many people in 12 turns.
I have nothing to add; I just want to help the algorithm. Laughed from nearly the first moment. Your sense of humor is excellent.
So THIS is why Carthage refused to send Hannibal reinforcements. History makes so much more sense now! Thank you Spiff and creative assembly! I finally understand :D
*Slaps Carthage*
"This baby salts itself."
hahahahah genius XD
You turned into Italian Mansa Musa in 3 turns lmao
To be fair, I think Caesar was stupidly wealthy enough, even compared to Musa, so he became Caesar, like the game suggest, fits quite well enough.
Explain please.
@@dubuyajay9964 Mansa Musa you mean? One of the supposed richest men in all of history, but I am one to press X to doubt, but of those in the highest bracket of pre-modern times, he was probably one of the people who could flaunt it the most. He was an African warlord who had a kingdom, and once on a pilgrimage he had lines for like a year of gold and servants, and all manner of splendor, that shocked the europeans and foreigners he came across, with fabulous tales of his wealth. Perhaps he was even one of perhaps the top 5 wealthiest people alive in his day.
But consider the other options. Emperor's, or like Caesar here that I mention. Mansa Musa got a lot of his wealth from his near total control of his kingdom, which he could take the wealth he generated from as his, because in the large sense, it was. But what if another leader like Caesar has the same ego, and decided to build up such a procession of wealth? I have no doubt they could have managed something similar. But their drug was more in power and authority, and wealth secondary. Though, they did amass all the wealth possible, but not necessarily to all be carried around like that.
It does remind me a bit of the pharoah's here. The wealth and power of the pharaoh's built the pyramids, and the greatest one who died and had that pyramid... That is a symbol perhaps, of how they might even eclipse both. But it isn't seen as the same wealth of Mansa Musa, because it was not an 'everlasting line of gold, servants, and splendor'. Which is a really, really inaccurate way to figure out who exactly is the most wealthy individuals in history. But he certainly was one of the ones who could perhaps show it off the best, and left a lot of people with gaping mouths. While others simply made the marvels from their wealth, so that people gaped at the marvels themselves, from their wealth. Understand the difference I am getting at?
@@adrianbundy3249 Oh yes, ty. I forgot who Mansa Musa was.
@@dubuyajay9964 Np. If I come off as crazy, it is only because I was once pressured into a debate with a couple of people who were absolutely certain he was the richest man ever alive. I happened to think some others were, and in the end, I did a bit of research, reflection, and in the end rather a too long and too passionate debate... And now I seem to have an automatic reflex to want to put things into perspective anytime I see his name brought up. It's a bit silly, perhaps childish, I know, and even more so, few will even care, even those who care about history.
*Welcome to the world of RTW speed runs*
i'm pretty sure there's a speedrun where someone finished the original game in like 5 turns or something.
I really love how these companies just give u early access and are like “alright break this shit”
Yeah, they have to know how this is going to end when they hand early access passes to Spiff or, if they're really crazy, Josh from Let's Game It Out, and yet they do it anyways.
They do it to bug test it
26:00
egypt be like:
we don't want to settle past grievances and give you our stuff
We just want to give you our stuff and keep the grievances
"Goddamit, Spiff, now they'll patch it"
Hahahahaha, my thoughts exactly lol 😂
But how long will it take though? Attila still has unfixed code in it!
@@dubuyajay9964 They fixed High Elf Mage economy exploit and Skaven Warlord economy.
"Today we're going to be taking their land and making them pay us for it"
Plantation era Irish people: yeah, sounds like British behaviour
Indian From The British Raj: They took us over-FOR CURRY AND TEA LEAVES!
@@dubuyajay9964 I've such respect for india. Y'all got fucked with the same stick they used on us. Everything that bitch queen victoria did to us Winston Churchill did to ye
@@garrylove8955 I'm not Indian, but yeah.
Oh my, when the AI offered their new city without you even asking... Perfectly Balanced.
I got a demand from one faction saying I have to pay tribute: 100 denari to per turn for 3 turns. Their offer: accept it we will attack along with paying me 380 denari.
I was like.... Yes please!
@@Wistbacka After all, they didn't have formulas to calculate interest back in those times
I've never seen a Total War Any% speedrun before, laughing so hard!
I see sir Spiif is playing like a real ancient roman.
"How broken is this game?"
"Yes"
"Easy peezy lemon squeezy, we now own the entirety of Spain"
hippity hoppity,
the entire known world of antique
is now my property
🤭
Remembers me of Total War Troy where I was trading one wheat for basically the entire stock of resources the AI had(including 12K wheat). What are they doing when designing these games
They're probably playing the game as intended, maybe pushing the boundaries with army composition but idk. I'm not a game dev... idk what they do.
But... I play games as intended. I find a lot of joy watching this guy break every single game he touches though lol
İt is like testing a car with climbing on top of the roof and jumping then asking the why it was undrivable.
god this exploit is going to get patched out real quick lmao, its so game shattering
Spiff: makes Gaul give rome non-existent money
Spiff: profit
Yet he still somehow got money.
I receive: Your empire
You receive: All past grievances forgotten
So profound that a game called Rome Total war, would allow the Romans to be over powered.
Rome: Total(ly bypassing) War
"Flavius Julius the smoothest man who ever lived"
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
ok im subbing 😅💪🤣
Ai faction:
"So we're just supposed to hand you all of our land and golf"
Spif:
"Yeah"
Ai faction:
"Yeah seems fair to me"
"Hi, nice to meet you, you've annoyed me, so give me your cities. Now you're annoyed cos I have your cities, so have some money. I don't like your armies hanging around these cities, give me money."
This is what the history books won't tell you...
I seriously burst out laughing. I've NEVER seen a more hilarious exploit.
Sweet Jesus you just did a speedrun of Rome. Well done Spiff, well done.
i love how he plays it normally one time after 17 minutes
Spiff: "...The completely utterly stupidly overpowered horse archer run."
Genghis Khan: *copies notes furiously*
And Attila.
Rome total war Karen edition. She want compensation for merely existing and when you do that she wants compensation for the fact that you compensated them.
It's like getting 2 for flinching
"Diplomacy is improved" they said
This is an actual "broken" part of the game. Your video on Scythia was just how Scythia was supposed to be played except you went arcade mode.
I really like the way you say "sit back, relax and have a warm cup of tea" :DDD
22:00 my man re-enacted the treaty of Versailles.
Who would have guess that after all the struggle the Romans had to endure, that they only needed to ask nicely.
This is literally just the !TRADE OFFER! meme as a game.
Here i thought Caeser broke the roman system, but he couldn't even dream of breaking this many systems at once.
This plays out like a skit.
Romans: “hey you insulted us, give us all your cities except your capital and 877 gold!”
Gauls: “That’s outrageous! We’ve done nothing THAT bad. How about instead, give you 877 gold AND all of our cities except our capital?”
Romans: “You shrewd bastard; you’ve got a deal!”
This pleases total war speedrunners world wide. From the 40 second Britannia victory to paying thousands of dollars to walk the Egyptian out of numidia. This pleases us greatly
Horse archer only was my favorite back in the day. Or Numidian cavalry only. You didn't even have to win sieges cause you could just sit outside the city with an army half the size of the garrison, they would come out to fight you and you'd just destroy them...
Ah yes the classic “you pay me to take your stuff” exploit
Did the spiffing brit just hit the speed run strats for this game?
Using gold to get power: Happy marcus licinius crassus noises.
This is the RTW RM version of:
Accept or we Attack
Please, do not attack ...
You didn't send a diplomat; you sent a mafia mobster! "I will make them an offer they cannot refuse...."
4:49
"C-compensation?" *nervously sweats in Weimar Republic*
Darnit. These coffee drinkers have patched this one.
Well, onto horse archers...
devs be like "WAIT A SEC! Whats that"
Pro tip: if you want to demand a city in diplomacy, check where the city locations are... I made a mistake when fighting against the Gauls and they asked for a ceasefire, i demanded a city in return, what i wanted was the city closest to me so i can immediately reinforce it, but i accidentally chose the one on the literal edge of the map, and it got besieged immediately after i ended the turn
You should see if the diplomacy bug I used to exploit works. Basically, if you find any settlement with too high of a population count, you can have a diplomat give it to an enemy faction.
The settlement will then have your garisson evacuate it but the settlement will be empty, allowing you to reoccuoy ans exterminate the populace, thereby gaining gold, public order and a buffer time for you to build more upgrades.
You can also set taxes to very high for maximum income per turn. This strategy snowballs in the mid to late game since you can do this to all your settlements in a single turn, thereby gaining up to hundreds of thousands of denarii per turn and eliminating squalor and discontent while you're at it.
TLDR: Routinely surrender cities over to your enemies, exterminate your former citizens and you will remain rich, powerful and the people will love you for using their dead family's fortunes to upgrade the infrastructure while allowing you to tax them at the highest bracket.
Who knew routine genocide would be so profitable?
Wow! You must have Rick from Pawn Stars negotiating for you!
Gauls: "I'd like to sell this 100000 dollar painting"
Rick the Roman: "I'm taking a huge risk, I have to frame it, I'll offer you a bucket of water and a pencil"
23:03 And that's how WW2 started kids
Guess rome was built in a day
They say Rome wasn’t built in a day, but you came awfully close.