Jocko Podcast 13 - With Echo Charles: Chechens Vs Russians | Finishing Strong
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- Опубликовано: 16 июл 2024
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0:00:00 - Combined Arms Operations In Urban Terrain - Manual about Chechens vs. Russians
1:23:46 - Thoughts on UFC 196 / Holly Holm vs Meisha Tate and Connor McGreggor Vs. Nat Diaz
1:37:07 - BUDS Training stories get people FIRED UP.
1:44:18 - Is Jocko Too INTENSE?
2:02:13 - Jocko’s thoughts on MARSOC
2:06:27 - Is Shooting a martial art?
2:15:14 - What Supplements do Jocko and Echo take?
2:25:19 - Leading others to a STRONG finish.
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You know when the side camera starts Jocko is about to drop some knowledge bombs
Jocko......I worked for the federal government since 1983. I am now retired. I worked for the Bureau of Prisons since 92 at FCI Ft Dix. Anyway, we were in annual training and the Captain was giving a class. Don't remember the topic. He was a new arrival. Somebody in the class had asked him what he was going to do about the terrible moral that has plagued us for years. His response (and I will never forget this) was: "Your morale is your problem. I have a department to run. Life is too short. If you are not happy, go find your happy place." That comment took my breath away. I couldn't believe he said that. AND got away with saying it. Afterwards, morale never came up as a topic of conversation again. The federal government is LOADED with managers that know nothing about leadership.
working as a prison guard, especially for several decades speaks about the type of person you are. Mediocre, lacking moral conviction, lazy, and a bully.
I keep coming back to this one. Love the part about maintaining discipline, even if it's by doing something simple as continuing to shave or work out on a daily basis.
I’ve never found anything that has made me wanna do better in so many different ways of my life than this podcast. Its an over used word, but this LITERALLY is the best influence I have ever had. I didn’t know there was a missing piece until this guy completed the puzzle for me. Forever grateful.
best part is jocko talking abit his son with the laser gun around 2 hr 10 min mark.
Chechnya is the wrong place for a visitor to be cocky
?? Its also.......not the place to buy Jordans 🥴.....
Just bought some books on the first Chechen war after watching this podcast. Scary to think that such a brutal war happened in the 90s. Makes other conflicts look like tea parties.
Made all the worse by the USSR's recent collapse and anarchic chaos left in its wake. Chechens love to talk tough about beating the Russians (temporarily) not knowing or omitting the fact they had pretty much every single advantage on their side. Their "victory" was far less a result of Chechen genius and more so a result of Russian stupidity.
+john coffin "Less soldiers" don't mean shit, especially so in a confined and urban environment, do your homework. Air force and artillery don't mean shit either when the majority of the combat is a matter of metres and yards away from the enemy and endangers your own people, along with the civilian population. Helos are bullet/rocket magnets in urban warfare, as Jocko stated. And for every Chechen collaborator (who could just as likely be feeding disinfo) that "knows that terrain" there's a dozen Chechens who know it better.
What's your nationality and background?
+mouthman Chechens were armed to the nines with RPG's and other anti-tank weaponry. Bravery alone did not beat the Russians, which is what you are spouting. It takes a high level of stupidity and ignorance to lose the war like Russia did. Again, Russians are not exactly smart, subtle or tactful.
+mouthman "Better trained" the Russian conscripts were NOT better trained at all dude, some of them weren't even given a week's worth. "Better equipped" much like the artillery and airstrikes, this should never be viewed as a primary source of strength, least of all in an urban combat environment. Have you listened to nothing Jocko said? Well led, well trained and well disciplined infantryman are the backbone of any conflict and the key to victory. As for Chechens having "no military" being a bad thing it shows how stumped you are in the understanding of Muslims. Muslim "nations" almost never do possess or rely on conventional armies to fight, they almost always fall back on insurgency and guerilla warfare to succeed, often using their own people as meatshields. Muslims have enough zeal and fanaticism to rebalance all kinds of tactical deficiencies, more so than teenage boys fresh out of Russia's schools, god bless their souls.
+mouthman Yet they were "aiding and supporting" Chechen/Islamic separatism and Jihadist groups all over Russia's southern borders before the WTC were destroyed? Make your mind up which story you want to go with, my distrust in you and your people already wears desperately thin. Nobody here including myself are denying the Russians often act without thinking and are heavy-handed in all their dealings, but compared to what I've seen produced by the Islamic world, specifically the Chechen one eclipses any previous crimes they may have committed.
Every single time I speak to an Arab or Muslim about the endless list of disgusting crimes committed by their Islamic peers, they either outright deny it or subtly show sympathy and understanding for them, NEVER do they genuinely and honestly decry or denounce with words, let alone actions what their diseased brethren have done to the "infidels" who I am proud to be amongst. Unfortunately for you, myself and others like me would not go so swiftly as conscripts of Russia, the schoolchildren at Beslan, office workers of Manhattan, nightgoers of Paris or Manchester etc. we would gladly hunt you down and execute every single of one you.
Unfortunately for the West our institutions and retarded public have elected suicide over survival and our militaries are severely restrained as a result 😯
night vision and secured communications will be a problem when your enemy four years ago was part of your own army.
I don’t think so. Our means of communication change rapidly and in terms of secure communications that’s consistently being probed, even for friendlies.
@@manuelnoboa3652
Yeah but not right after you nation collapsed and you try to keep what's left together
Prescient af bro
@@manuelnoboa3652 stpries of hechens laughing and taunting the russians on their militsry communication lines
I listen to this many years after hearing it the first time. But now that Russia has picked a new country to invade, Ukraine. It’s only two weeks into the invasion but seems to me that Russia has not applied the lesson from Chechnya.
Ya they paid off chechen traitors and employed them to fight for them against Ukrainians...boy have tables turned why do you think abunch of civilians in bucha were beheaded and Christian non Muslim women and children were raped...religion of peace huh and it's facts chechens and Syrians are being sent by putin and confirmed they were in bucha
Yep
They have though, that’s why they’re taking it so slow.
They’re not doing too well LOL
It’s not two weeks anymore man it’s bin almost a year
a man like jocko is as gentle as he can possibly be. a man with jocko's natural talents in ancient times would be a centurion crushing a gallic uprising.
He is insanely charismatic.
I've downloaded most of Jocko's podcasts and listen to them while I work. I'll probably go to my grave before hearing them all because I keep re-listening to the best episodes.... like this one.
Quickly becoming a favorite podcast, great work.
The enemy awakes with a start. Strange sounds in the night. Boots shuffling in the dust. Muffled radio chatter and squawk. Heart rate rising. Eyes widening. It is here. New Jocko Podcast cometh again. 13 your unlucky number? Good.
+LaunchModule "...New Jocko Podcast cometh again. 13 your unlucky number? Good."
That was... *Good*... to say the least.
Thanks for the great video guys, truly interesting and insightful. I've been to Chechnya, and it's a place which really fascinates me, so your video was really a pleasure to watch.
And i tought russians where hard people, but damn the Chechens are no joke
Russians beat them though.
@@britvroman yeah, because there's only about 3 million Chechens in total.
@@Waldemarvonanhalt in 1994 the whole population of Chechnya was around 1 million, and Russian army was 2.1 millions. So, Russian army was more then double of the whole Chechen population.
@@Justice632 I see. Thanks for clarifying. I know a few members of the Chechen diaspora living in Norway and France.
Chechens are Russians as well man. It's like saying Texans are not Americans
Probably my favourite podcast. Jocko and Echo you rock!
Started from podcast 1 and working my way through. Better faster smarter stronger !! Love this.
Me too buddy, great stuff!
1:54:07 Best lesson of the day: "Manipulate; influence; be clandestine, covert! And that... is how you win." Brazil salutes you, Jocko!
Like BOPE? 😎
The production value of the podcast has come a long way, but the quality of the substance never changed! In a good way I mean.
One of the many things you have to consider that this was one of the crucial moments in Russian history. It was a time of great strife and incredible economic depression. The USSR was no more, and the fight for power in Russia has begun. Russia in the 90s was the "wild west", the dark ages.
The criminal organizations ran shit, pretty much has since the fall of “communism”
The whole eastern block, братко, the whole block
And now the bear is back
@@jakemocci3953 and gets fu**d up again by Ukrainians
Like the village of Komsomolskoye, what did the Russian command say:
"children and women can get out of the encirclement of Russian troops." they stopped the children and women and shielded them with their troops (they made a living wall, which they are not ashamed of), bombarded the village with a heavy bombs , they wiped Chechen village from the ground with the defenders of the men of their homeland.
Proof, evidence and multiple unbiased and confirmed sources please.
@@utrinqueparatus4042 Battle of Komsomolskoye wikipedia page is actually a good place to start. If you want books, you can go the 'embedded journalism' route with "Chienne de Guerre" by Anne Nivat or "Insurgency in Chechnya by Col. Robert Schaefer. This incident is actually very well-attested. Komsomolskoye was totally destroyed and not rebuilt even now, 20 years later.
@@utrinqueparatus4042 🔥🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🔥
Thank god, it's here. I needed this.
We need more podcasts like this in this tone of voice and intro… badass.
Jocko for President 2020
que eu estou conversando cada dia que fala mas eles eles inventam uma coisa estou sempre inventando moda tô sempre inventando modelo então as palavras dele que vai se ver de condenação nas ruas na rua vai servir condenação as próprias palavras desse confessaram que me deram o quê tô falando sobre mim se eles acham que estão correto as pessoas as pessoas na rua vai analisar e vai responder ou de pau ou ficar cedo mas vai ser respondido porque estou conversando então na rua eles vão receber o que eles tão me dando
Raimundo Silva oh ok lol
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Thank You Much 😊 !
Yes sir both of you are changing my life as you guys speak and yeah I do have the Book audiobook got it like she's probably wouldn't came out 2015-16 maybe anyhow very grateful of you guys keep it up awesome stuff
Echo : how do you take down a helicopter?
Jocko : ..NO
Hillarious
Ok a escolha são deles não me deram OK bullae OK tá bom demais vamos que vamos não gostando de ver o Ano Novo e um feliz natal de bomba
Ok o homem mora em que bairro gosto de ver assim só ganhando presente tô ganhando tudo
Ok nome bom que bom é Natal é Natal ano novo só bomba
Só libera os vídeos para mim deixar ela aqui na casa delas e p**** só libera os vídeos para mim que eu dou conta do resto deixa comigo Deixa comigo só libera os vídeos para mim Ok só libera os vídeos para mim que eu vou dividir o que ela tá me dando que ela tá me dando eu vou levar para os outro para dividir
THANK U JOCKO AND ECHO
Yet another great podcast.
would be amazing to see that ppt
This podcast is a National Treasure.
Another truly amazing episode but for the record I'm shocked... Maybe I'm wrong but I was expecting the first thing Jocko was going to mention when talking about shooting as a martial art... Discipline🤯🤯🤯. That a side I would love to hear Jocko cover move on the basic training of infantryman firearm training. I also think I might need to go get my some of the lazertag pistols mentioned. 🙌🤜🤛
Ahh the two Chechyna wars that most people would NOT know happened or care in the West. Thank you for sharing this.
Glad jocko can wear his headsets properly in the newer episodes haha this was comical a bit
He was a radioman as well
Lololol
I learn something new everyday. This podcast has me thinking, laughing, and learning. The Chechens were bad ass! Off to 113! 💪🏽
❤️
Great video, appreciate the info compilation!
Did you know that you actually don't have to have the microphone in your mouth for it to record sound, Jocko? 😃
Thanks Jocko for a great podcast!
Anyone else slightly surprised to not hear them mention creatine, I suppose if you're eating enough steak and/or certain pre workouts you can get your fill, but I figured that've been #1
Alright Jocko and Echo, just ordered my Krill Oil supplements from Onnit. Gonna give it a try.
onnit is legit, try the alpha brain it speaks for its self.
Hope everyone is listening to 1:44:00. Always a great learning experience!
This episode is missing from both Google Podcast and Pandora. As of 9/27/21.
Yes, Jocko *is* too intense. And that is a good thing.
Too intense? Good.
Wise... youre like a massive buddha with no hair.
Anyone know if he reads the book from the guys on the ground in any later podcasts?
Went to listen to this on Apple Podcasts, March 2022, and it looks like it was taken down. Strange.
Probably Russian trollls took it down
Am glad war in Chechnya is over .. it was such an ugly war for lack of better word .. and thank God now we can worship God and grow families freely.
Now you guys are famous for being UFC champions
@@mkb2420 yes it's culture now In the caucasus in general
If you are interested in Chechen fighters
Leche Kurbanov - previous Tiekwado world Champ
Boaeser Sayteyev - olympic champion multiple times
Artur Beterbeyev - world Champ in 3 originations
Local mma organization is - Akhmat fight club AFC And you can watch decent fights there
@@laitchdasi Khamzat Chimaev my favorite one
@@mkb2420 he is a Warrior mashAllah
what about Kadirov? is he good or bad person? cz some people complain that he is killing the chechens and works for putin to swipe chechens from the caucasus..is it true or just propaganda?
With all due respect, no untrained guy is walking into a legit competitive boxing gym and 'rocking' anyone on the fight team. The chances of that happening are zero.
Check your ego sir.
@@michaeltucker4864 How are you perceiving ego driving my statement? Cheers
I was scrolling through looking to see if this comment was made. Anybody who has ever stepped into the ring even against a boxer way under his weight class or over the hill, etc, but someone who has boxing training and talent; that person knows how untrue the statement is that an untrained guy can beat a trained boxer. Boxers don't just know how to deliver a punch with force and accuracy and speed, they also can take a punch. Punches that put a typical person, even one in top shape, to the ground in pain, don't phase your typical boxer; it's just part of everyday life. MMA has changed, but up until about 10 years ago, you would still see top MMA fighters get knocked out by punches that a boxer would literally laugh at.
@@michaelb1761 Exactly. The fact that boxing fundamentals are one of the must have skills for MMA fighters (along with wrestling take downs, BJJ ground game and Muay Thai clinch and leg kicks) should prove this point. IT IS A LEARNED SKILL that makes all the difference. Just the ability to move around someone who is striking you, while remaining relaxed and alert of openings, is a complete game changer.
Fuckin love these dudes
57:31 Ukraine.
Jocko is not intense per se...he delivers the message with an Intensity that emphasizes its importance
supplements are a good addition to meals. they provide those extra cals w/out having to eat a whole meal! you know that guys! :)
Anyone know why this reposted to the podcast subscriptch in May 2021? Not complaining-- excellent podcast.
39:02 Thats impressive wow
So just noticed this episode is not on Spotify... Hmmmm
It’s also not on Apple Podcasts. I was trying to listen to it this am. What gives?
Amazing podcast!
Interesting the similarities of the incompetence and outcomes of the Russian forces in Chechnya as compared to what is happening to them the Ukraine. Would love to hear Jocko’s take from this podcast to what is happening now in Ukraine!
Asking Jocko about BUD/S might be about the most annoying thing you can do to him 🤣
it's worth mentioning the context of the 1st Chechen War. SSSR was collapsing, terrible economical crisis, coups d'état. nouveaux riches oligarchs ruled and bled the country. the army was also in chaos, it lost a huge part of its effective. the last thing Russia wanted was that war.
however, the 2nd Chechen War was something very different. the Russian army was reformed and a new strategy was employed. especially it excelled in military intelligence, they managed to pinpoint and eliminate 2 consecutive rebel leaders and their highest ranking officers, plus through politics and diplomacy they brought some important Chechens to the pro Russian camp.
It's a pity they didn't use nuclear weapons to exterminate any life form and let a forest grow there for centuries.
strategy my ass. they just bombed it
"Guess what. YA DO NEED TO PREPARE."
lol
1:55:35 only on jocko will you hear “the only time it will work is when handling a prisoner” 👏🏽😂
Tha was a brutal war.Saw video where chechen troops told a russian soldier he can go free but they shot his finger off then released him.Much worse happen to captured soldiers on both sides.
I've yet to see a single video of Russians committing atrocities against Chechen civilians, please notify me if you can find one.
@@utrinqueparatus4042 Are you serious right now? I know people personally that have gone through so much shit because of Russian soldiers. Do you think they filmed that kind of shit? There are enough documents online where you can find court cases against Russia. Go search a little and you will find enough.
@@utrinqueparatus4042 Nobody needs to notify you, you should go and do some digging. You are talking like you were there in that war
1:40 the way of the warrior IS death.
Get some !
Weapons training or physical combat is everything that encompasses Martial training a.k.a Martial Arts.
Love the podcast, but I wish Jocko would add a bit more context to the situation in post-soviet Russian military, instead of comparing it to the USA military at the time. He does it well in his other podcasts.
There is a great book written by a veteran soldier “One Soldier’s war” and it gives a very good understanding on what it was like being in the military during that time. It was a pathetic and a shameful time for the Russian military.
Jocko: i only trust a few people in my life.
Echo: O...
Why did they delete this ep off Spotify
The man the legend Anatoly Lebed served in the Afghan war, Kosovo war, Second Chechen war, Russian Georgian war. Hero of the Russian Federation.
Lebed wasn't a hero for the soldiers and the army at all to be fair. Not even close
This is a tiny bit heavy but if Jocko starts reading bedtime stories, I’m in.
Why this aint on spotify
What is it about BJJ that makes it so powerful compared to other martial arts or say wrestling 🤔
Love CPT Patriquin’s PowerPoint, Rest In Peace. I wish every war had a PowerPoint, should be the gold standard!
“They [the media] never portray the Iraqi people as normal people who live normal lives” this. 10/10
Jocko get on TRT and save the planet
I'm way behind on episodes. For some reason, this one came up on Spotify dated 5/2/21. Listening to this on 6/1/22 as the Russians are invading and using the same tactics in Ukraine is interesting. It doesn't seem that they learned much. The Russian way is always about brut force.
Doctrine
Why did they take this off Spotify
1)Chechen population of 1,268,989 people.The total area of Chechnya 15 900 square kilometres.in Chechnya, there is no industry, what was in early 1995, Russia was bombed completely.The total number of Chechen soldiers and rebels is 15,000 people .Small arms became Chechen weapons. A small number of tanks and armored personnel carriers was destroyed by Russia at the beginning of the first war.2).the Russian Federation is a transcontinental country in Eastern Europe and North Asia. At 17,125,200 square kilometres (6,612,100 sq mi).Total population in the Russian Federation 147,003,104 people.powerful industry .third military superpower in the world, after the USA and China.The total number of soldiers in Russia is 900,000 people. In reserve, 2,572,500 people."in Chechnya, over the entire time of the two wars, about 1,000,000 Russian soldiers fought" Anna Politkovskaya (journalist. Killed by Putin) 3)Chechnya and Russia had 2 wars. Chechnya won the first war in August 1996 against Russia. Chechnya lost the second war.Chechnya fought with Russia for 20 years. Russia killed 300,000 Chechen civilians and 42,000 children.... Today in Chechnya puppet pro-Russian power
Chechens have been defending against russian since 1600s
@Nokhchi my man, it was happening for more than thousand years…
@@amerika7amerika712 It started with Chechens raiding slavic villages.
@@0hn0haha no it didnt
At 1:17:36 Echo's headphones are too far back and Jocko's are too far forward.
1:18:14 Attacking a person's morale seems like a way to keep someone dominated/subservient.. it seems really common in abusive relationships, one person deferring to or even serving another bossy person, the bossy person's gotta keep them in check and feeling low by regularly insulting them and doing aggressive line-crossing and double standards to keep em feeling lesser, and keep them serving them, keep them from challenging the bossy person.. ITS SO COMMON! Seems like 1 out of 4 relationships (work or personal) have a little of that going on.. but you gotta FIGHT THE POWER, dont take that guff :P rise up, Equality! dont accent double standards or subservient treatment when its not justified. Gimme liberty of give me death :)
its really gross for a man doing that to a woman, cause then its kinda a sex kink, they wanna "break" the woman, have them feel down and feel more dominant.. creepy (i've done that before i think, i didnt realize it.. verbally abuse a girlfriend, she's crying, you feel like the man.. you make up, great makeup sex.. sick cycle) i might not have really done that, but i think that can be a thing, indeed
if you watch in 144p its like old film
I thrive on beef.
Seems the US Military studied the 1st Russia-Chechnya conflict, and applied the lessons, much more than the Russians did.
True self-name of Chechen nation is Noahçiy (Noakhcheey):
Noahço - (Chechen)
Noahçi - (Chechens)
Noahçiy - (ChechenNation)
NoahçiyÇö - (Chechenia)
Noahçalla - (Chechen Ethic, Moral, Humanity)
in Chechen language:
Adam - (Human)
Adamaş - (Humans)
Adamalla - (Humanity)
Adamazüret - (People of the whole world)
Your language is quite unique.
Most Chechen rebel leaders of that era are now either dead, captured or poisoned. Let Jocko do one about Afghanistan currently.
Isn’t it because of Ahmed kadyrov ?
@@dragonofchaos7843 Finally someone smart, after the terrorists killed Ahmed Kadyrov his son took over and he's very friendly with Putin. The 2nd Chechen war was a different story, unfortunately the only good way to supress hardcore terrorists is to flatten the whole city, you don't want to go in there with tanks and apc vehicles and do streetfighting before crushing it. Having said that even if you do that you haven't killed the ideology, so the smart thing to do is to put a strong local Chechen leader in power who rules with an iron fist. Lets be honest the Chechen rebels got major support from anti-Russian forces, Chechens good or bad are excellent fighters, and Putin is a chess player (look how he owned that idiot Trump). The one thing that starts working in the favor of Superpowers is technology and it will only improve. Russia did much better in Syria for example.
@@maxclaire732 However, it was an internal conflict within the Soviet-trained army in 1994. Dzhokhar Dudayev was pretty moderate general.
I don’t remember what Putin stole from the US. Maybe you can enlighten us.
@@maxclaire732 "Terrorists" you seem to forget that Akhmat Kadyrov was the one who called in a jihad which began the radicalization of the nationalists.
They took this off Spotify too hardcore I quess
This ep is gone from all podcast platforms - guessing because of Ukraine situation?
Please restore.
Watching chechens russian war on you tube brutal
Re listening to the whole catalogue… again. This episode has been scrubbed from Apple Podcasts.
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Chechens fought for freedom from the bloody Russian empire.
Freedom? I don't recall sharia law being very free lol
art poirot Chechens has had democracy for hundreds of years before the russians came
@@user-fw4uh7ob2s no they didn't
@@user-fw4uh7ob2s and even if they did it is irrelevant. They were aiming too and briefly succeeded in setting up an Islamic emirate that rivaled the taliban and isis in terms of its oppression and lack of freedom.
art poirot art poirot art poirot It’s true that the chechens had been living in democracy for hundreds of years. After the arrival of the russians, we embraced Islam as a way to fight off the russians. In the 1997 sharia law was instated. In no way shape or form did it rival taliban or isis in terms of its oppression and lack of freedom. First of all, isis didn’t even exist back then, which completely decredits your argument. Second of all, the caucasian emirate didn’t even have power, and was at constant war with russia.
Jocko should read a book called one soldiers war by arkady babchenko on how the Russian army was its own worst enemy
I don't see anybody else commenting on this but this is awesome: When most people cough, their eyebrows angle downwards and their torso bows downwards during their cough, causing them to look as if they just got punched in the gut. When Jocko coughs, he calmly turns to one side and tosses it out of his system (in a single cough) in the most badass way possible as if saying "Get out of my lungs and get after it you sorry little--" LMFAO
Great knowledge, tactics, and ways of thinking in this podcast-as usual. Keep getting after it, everybody.
Well losses come with huge amount of excuses. But you can’t deny that small nation with smaller population than enemy’s whole army without nothing except ak47 and rpgs kicked super power’s butt ( with God’s will)
i lived this days in GROZNY it a lies heads on steak bs
No dislikes on this video so far YAY!
even if there were, "good".
1:00:00
Jocco makes his dudes shave down range.
Anyone watching this in February of 2022?
Heard about you from Joe Rogan. I LOVE your podcasts. Im leaving for Army BCT next week so I wont have much longer with you.
How is or was the army?
@@rileyp1419 Holy blast from the past. Im still in. Love every bit of it
@@Konryu12 good to hear man.
“It’s not INTENSE...”
Okay, sir.
Marşalla! 🥂