Just like biblical and historical evidence proves that jesus and his apostles were vegatarians biblical and historical evidence also proves that the trinity, atonement, original sin and hell are very late misinterpretations and are not supported by the early creed hence its not a part of Christianity I pray that Allah swt revives Christianity both inside and out preserves and protects it and makes its massage be witnessed by all people but at the right moment, place and time The secred text of the Bible says ye shall know them by their fruits So too that I say to my christian brothers and sisters be fruitful and multiply Best regards from a Muslim ( line of ismail )
@@theguyver4934 What early creed? Rather than saying nonsense, give some sources. Where in the Bible does it teach Jesus is a vegetarian? What early creed?
What made you say Catholicism and not, more generally, Christianity? I find that a bit concerning. Typical believers will say somebody, or God, brought them back to Christ.
@@WordOfYah I'm a Protestant and I'm considering Catholicism and Orthodoxy but it seems I've set my permanent residence on the fence. I think it's similar in some way.
The philosophy of "The Lord of the Rings" was so good. Playing my part, as Sam plays his part, is resonating with me. Often times I am seeking some grand thing I should be doing to change the world. Instead I need to humbly accept my part in God's grand plan. Glory to God!
Catholic here and I’ve been following IP for a while, he’s very eloquent and extremely intelligent. I love his channel, hopefully more people can support him.
I use to be a Torah observant christian and Michael changed my mind on that subject and now I'm a catholic catechumen. He has been such a huge influence on my faith.
My funniest line in the Gospel is in response to: "You must be the only person in Jerusalem that hasn't heard about the things that have gone on the last couple of days." And Jesus after being crucified and murdered said... "What things?"
Sometimes you watch podcasts so seamlessly that you're totally unaware of the time-this was one of them. Thanks for the experience Matt, can't wait for you to have him on again (possibly with Kreeft 😉).
I have watched this guy for some good time now. I've always appreciated his defense of faith and reason. On top of that he's very charitable towards catholicism. Definitely give his channel a look.
Very nice interview, and I look forward to hopefully seeing IP back with Dr. Peter Kreeft. You should consider reaching out to Dr. Falk of Ancient Egypt and the Bible, whom IP mentioned as the Egyptologist that critiqued his original Exodus Rediscovered documentary and then co-produced his revised version of that documentary.
That is awesome. Michael singlehandedly made me change my mind about engaging people on Tiktok. Wonderful ministry opportunity that I never even considered.
Michael Jones is one of the horsemen of my conversion. I first heard his voice and thought he was a 21 YO boy until I saw his face😂. I think this is the first interview of him I’ve seen, so I’m disappointed I missed this live. God bless you both!
I truly believe Mike is a gem in the Christian RUclips channel world. His messages aren't as depressing. His messages have hope and his channel actually provides good info.
Today I learned that the Catholic Church defended Romance based marriages. I am skeptical but will dig further thanks to this claim. I love this video.
I had never heard that the Church promoted romance. But it may be that the definition of “romance” has changed. I do know that the Roman Catholic Church believes that a marriage is not valid if either party was forced into the marriage.
What excellent insight on The Lord of the Rings and how to defeat the Dark Lord...through humility and love. Loved listening to the 2 of you comfortably talking with each other, both of you enjoying the dialog. It was completely organic.
My favorite funny line is in genesis. God tells Sarah and Abraham that Sarah will have a baby and she starts laughing. God asks her why she’s laughing 🙁 She says that she wasn’t laughing 😳 Yes u were😒. Just imagining God’s expression as Sarah tries to save face being like, “Dude.” God has such a great sense of humor.
Best part of those stories is: that was Jesus, because we see in Exodus, God says “You cannot see my face and live.” Same thing in Joshua 5, The commander of the army of the Lord, accepts Joshua’s worship, unlike an angel who would’ve denied it. That’s Jesus, the COMMANDER of the army of the Lord, who put down his sword and his glory to live and die for us! And Who stands interceding for us now. Old Testament is awesome!
@@micahprice2807yep. Best OT realisation is that, whenever you read about God or the Angel of the LORD, etc. THAT'S JESUS. That's the same guy you're reading about when He's on the cross, dying for us. It's really crazy honestly.
Pints love your channel... So valuable. Michael Jones' job for Inspiring Philosophy and how much I learned and one can learn from you is beyond estimation.
I was into punk rock growing up in a very Catholic household. I don't know if my contrarion side is pulling me back to religion or if my parents hard work is starting to pay off.
In difficult times God always raises up great Saints... It excites me to hear who they may be... From my understanding..it may even be you..or me! May God bless us all! 🙏
1:26:32 what was said here reminded me of the story of the rich man and Lazarus, when the rich man in hell asks abraham to send someone from the dead to warn his family: “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; they should listen to them.’ He said, ‘No, father Abraham; but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the prophets, neither will they be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’ ”” Luke 16:29-31
I had never heard of the documentary hypothesis until watching Mike's video on it. Just a few days later, my atheist boss tossed it out as an objection to the Bible in the middle of a break room discussion. By the grace of God I was well prepared with an answer thanks to IP. I'd have been completely caught with my pants down without what I believe was a providential viewing.
“You can’t take the good in Christianity without taking Christianity”. So good. Whenever it is about our cause with a Jesus theming, it doesn’t work. The center, the motivation, the core needs to be always a relationship with Jesus and caring about things because he does not the other way around. That results in fruit naturally. Fruit that is good for us and everyone else around us!
I disagree with his take here. Not the quote you’ve put up, I agree with that. But he seems to argue that if you submit your politics to Christianity, and don’t force some sort of divorce, then you secretly just want Jesus on your team for a pre-existing political goal. Of course, his politics are so representative of a certain strain of *relatively* theologically conservative baptist churches, that I cannot but suspect that IP is unaware of the fact that unconsciously his religion has formed his politics. The question he hasn’t asked is why his religion has so much in common with Postwar Classically Liberal/ NeoLiberal American Conservatism.
@@claymcdermott718 I see where you are coming from. I think the broader point for me would be that regardless of our political leanings, when we submit our politics to Jesus, our priority is no longer the political kingdom or our political party, but actually God's kingdom. My "team" isn't my "political affiliation + Jesus" with my political opponents as my enemies. Instead, Jesus gets to be the focus, and we can unify as the Church under his priorities. Some of those obviously do have a political intersection. I don't think we should divorce ourselves from making a difference in the world at all. I do think, however, that culture on both sides of the political aisle make an idol of the political world, and that the Bible doesn't neatly fit into either political archetype completely. If we try to contort God into a mascot for our previous politics instead of approaching politics with a loving, set-apart, kingdom mindset, we run into trouble both in our theology and our politics. We should be Christians and members of the Body of Christ as our primary identity and the driving force before anything else, and that will hopefully keep our priorities right in every other area. God desires for us to take care of orphans and widows and the poor and needy, he desires for us to stand for justice and be a voice for the voiceless, he desires for us to protect the sanctity of life, he desires for us to live at peace with everyone as much as possible, to be in unity with the rest of the Body, and to love and pray for our enemies. Eating at the table with our political opponents is already countercultural, and not allowing ourselves to be boxed into extreme camps is even more countercultural. We won't always get it right, but I think if we truly keep Jesus first, we will interact with politics differently amidst a polarized, reactionary, vengeful, earth-focused world.
...dear brothers matt and michael, i really enjoyed your discussion; as someone who would be labled a Protestant these days and who grew up going to a Russian Orthodox Church on Saterday's and a Catholic Mass on Sundays, i appriaciate how you both live out the great commission in your respective venues. There is so much division in our culture these days it is reminisate to the anti war and civil rights era of the 1960's and 70's ,in Los Angeles where i grew up. Thank you both for your educational content and may we all gain a better understanding of the character of God, which Jesus lived out on this earth and may He help us in our walks as we go about our business of loving God and loving others, ....much love from Morro Bay, CA, ...eyah
I loved this interview😭😭🤣🤣🐐😂😂 please do another one with InspiringPhilosophy he’s awesome I love seeing him like this chill out relaxed and loosened up!!! This was a really great fun interview by far my favorite one I’ve seen *PLEASE DO ANOTHER ONE AND MORE TO COME IN THE FUTURE!!* God bless🙏🙏🙏✊
Very cool! I appreciate the message about playing our own parts and not trying to be a hero we are not. Also good to remind that Christianity went through much worse persecution.
Seeing the toast at the beginning of the video reminded me of an interview I listened to of Catholic professor Michael P. Foley, who wrote a book called Drinking With The Saints. Dr. Foley stated that when drinking with others, you should always begin with a toast. Dr. Foley would probably be a great guest for Pints With Aquinas.
Funniest line in the Bible? At daily Mass, I chuckled out loud when the priest read this from the third chapter of Mark: "When his relatives heard of this they set out to seize him, for they said, “He is out of his mind.”"
I disagree on Christian nationalism. Now I do not think we can make people Christians by government force, however that does not change the fact that all nations should be Christian nations in the sense that the secular government does have a duty to serve and obey God. For that reason I do believe that civil law should be based upon Biblical law in a kind of general equity theonomy.
Which eventually leads to a theocracy like the Roman Catholic church had in Europe and abused their narrow viewpoint of Christianity against all others.
@@davidjanbaz7728 perhaps, but any nation is at one level or other a theocracy. In America we live under a secular theocracy and look what it’s gotten us.
For those who hate Christian Nationalism: Should we remove the effigy of Moses from the top of the SCOTUS building? Should we change the national motto from “In God We Trust”? Should we remove the Latin inscription atop the Washington monument? The Decalogue at the National Archives should go? “Under God” officially removed from the pledge? Prayers before civic gatherings ended? Was SCOTUS right to ban prayer in public schools in the 60s? What about the seal of the US on all our money, With the eye of God, in a Trinitarian triangle watching over our country? I could go on and on.
Yep, if you liked this, I REALLY STRONGLY SUPERLY(?) recommend watching IP's channel, Inspiring Philosophy. He's SOOOOOOOO down to earth and factual. But I also recommend studying all this yourself. Doing the philosophy, nitty-gritty and Theology, etc. Yourself. God bless.
Matt should read Dawn of Wonder. Awesome fantasy with incredible writing that has a secret Christian message that jumps out of absolutely nowhere at the end and punches you in the heart
I don't have qualms with the idea that our focus should be on the living Christian life and bringing people towards Christ, but there is also need to fight. The good times built by strong men are built because men are willing to fight for the things that are right.
This weird idea pervades, that if you do what you think Jesus wants you to do in the public arena, you must not love Jesus as much as quietists who will never do anything they have so much integrity. Not saying this is IP’s idea, but it is many people’s.
I read all of A Song of Ice and Fire (well, what's been written) early in college. I avoided the show. However, the books themselves are pornography! And the sex scenes are not just gratuitous and detailed but usually grotesque. I deeply regret reading them now and wish I could get all of the images out of my head (including not just sex but also torture).
I found this dude a couple of months ago, and even tho he was a protestant, I admired the way he defended the Church, Catholicism, and just reason in general. This is the best crossover ever.
He has never stated he is a protestant and when he has gone into some of his views, which is rare, he leans heavily into Orthodox and Catholic theology.
@@mebenn3382 yeah I honestly think he's truly non denominational and tries to be steeped in history to the best of his ability. I would say he definitely isn't a practicing Catholic but he certainly pulls from historical Christianity and orthodoxy.
ROP is not just bad storytelling (it is that too) but it is an act of vandalism by those who actually hate Tolkien, his values, and his philosophy and who wish to co-opt it in the service of their warped political ideology.
What I will say is that label Christian Nationalism is more often than not a negative moniker ascribed to traditional Christians who live in America. Also, we have a rich Christian history in this nation from the beginning so valuing that history also immediately gets you labeled as a CN.
I never thought I'd see the day these two met. I've been following and supporting Mike apmost since he first started and Matt for a few less, but for whatever reason they were almost in separate worlds in my head. It's a bit jarring for some reason, like seeing Han Solo chatting in Bilbo Baggins' living room 😅. A welcome crossover nonetheless. 👍
I really enjoy this (not finished watching yet). I like IP's analysis (building on Tom Holland). Also, Matt is 100% correct on the lack of rebellious subcultural edginess among zoomers and younger.
Tolkien's wrote multiple versions of Galadriel as his concept of her changed greatly over time. Most of us just know one or maybe two. For example, he wrote the following: “Galadriel was the greatest of the Noldor, except Fëanor maybe […] Her mother-name was Nerwen (‘man-maiden’), and she grew to be tall beyond the measure even of the women of the Noldor; she was strong of body, mind, and will, a match for both the loremasters and the athletes of the Eldar in the days of their youth. "Galadriel was a Sindarin name given to (and accepted by) her after her coming to Beleriand, meaning 'lady of the golden crown' or 'coronal', referring to the braids of her golden hair (braided high)." "She was then of amazon disposition and bound up her hair as a crown when taking part in athletic feats." Tolkien created (or sub-created as he would say) such a ridiculous scope of material for Lord of the Rings and the thousands of years of legendarium surrounding it...and he was constantly rethinking and revising right up until his death...Even after spending extensive time studying LOTR, the Silmarillion, etc, I have been forced to realize how little most of us know about the breadth of what Tolkien wrote, much less, additional versions as he continually revised and retconned . Highly recommend Corey Olsen for a scholarly approach to Tolkien and Tolkien adaptations, for example: "The Metahistory of Galdriel" ruclips.net/video/Z8w2dCw2izM/видео.html
I'm really trying hard to understand where this guy is coming from on Christian "nationalism". What does he mean by that word? For example, I do not believe in having a secular government. I believe that if we are to have a gov, it should bow it's knee to Christ as king, it should glorify that which the Church teaches is good and criminalize that which the Church teaches is evil. Why do I believe this? Because the Catechism of the Catholic Church tells me to. Most people would define this as "Christian nationalism". So what does Mr. Jones propose our government do? Remain secular? Not adopt Catholic social teaching as legality? Become libertarian? He seems to be pushing hard against the concept of the government adopting a legal structure oriented towards the proper worship of God...
Covenant eyes you can use it with your spiritual director. Sports , prayer, reading holy material, cold therapy, and hobby's that are moralny good or neutral will help.
Interesting conversation. Michael misunderstands, however, the role of Christianity as a cultural influence vs. Christianity as a salvific force in the world. We need both.
Intrinsic Christianity is "I can't NOT follow Christ. He directs my life. He is integral to my being" I was filled with the Holy Spirit in my 40s and was changed from the inside almost without effort. I cannot conceive of living without the direction and submission to the will of God in my life. A church community is edifying, but I follow Christ because He orders my steps. My life is immensely better than it has ever been.
I have deeply enjoyed this exchange. It has been deeply informative and edifying. I will possibly push back on one thing however. Perhaps its because our faith has such a heavy rationalistic tendency, but in conjunction with thought and reason, feelings, emotions, and mystical encounters are valid modes of experiencing and knowing the Truth of Christ. They certainly helped me overcome my doubting Thomas mind.
30:52 - I'm 40, and there definitely was a more anarchic/anti-authority zeitgeist. 1:01:00 - I see more and more as I watch The Lord of the Rings, having read the books but not remembering much about them, that Sam, Gandalf, and Aragorn are the chief "heroes" (though, there truly are no "heroes" in LotR). Frodo's role can't be overlooked, but he would have failed if it were left to his own power. When he couldn't walk, Sam carried him. Footprints in the sand... There is no hero except Jesus: Aragorn, the unknown king, Gandalf, the one of power who died and rose again, and Sam, the comforter who carried Frodo when he couldn't walk.
In regard to the part of “did Jesus lie” here is an answer I’ve heard from Joe Heschmeyer on this passage. When Christ’s ‘brothers ask him if he’s going to the feast and he says no and shows up later this was NOT a lie. They asked him this question in the context of whether he’d GO to the party meaning participate. If your friend asks you to go to a drug ridden party and you say no, then show up later with the police you did not “go” to the party. You busted the party. This passage isn’t entirely analogous to my example but can be explained in a similar manner. Hope you see this Matt. God bless!
Wow I’ve been watching pints and reading Catholic books only for lent and this was the first time I’ve seen it get kinda weird at the end there when you talked about BC and EC
Michael, I’m a Catholic and your videos have made such a huge positive impact on my faith. I love IP! God Bless You and your ministry.
Just like biblical and historical evidence proves that jesus and his apostles were vegatarians biblical and historical evidence also proves that the trinity, atonement, original sin and hell are very late misinterpretations and are not supported by the early creed hence its not a part of Christianity I pray that Allah swt revives Christianity both inside and out preserves and protects it and makes its massage be witnessed by all people but at the right moment, place and time
The secred text of the Bible says ye shall know them by their fruits
So too that I say to my christian brothers and sisters be fruitful and multiply
Best regards from a Muslim ( line of ismail )
@@theguyver4934Jesus ate fish lol
@@theguyver4934 Muslims have the *worst* arguments against Christianity.
@@theguyver4934 What early creed? Rather than saying nonsense, give some sources. Where in the Bible does it teach Jesus is a vegetarian? What early creed?
I was an atheist for 15 years. Something pulled me back to Catholicism and Mike's channel played a big part in bringing me back.
What made you say Catholicism and not, more generally, Christianity? I find that a bit concerning. Typical believers will say somebody, or God, brought them back to Christ.
@@WordOfYah Because Catholicism = Christianity in the minds of Catholics. They seem them as synonymous.
Welcome brother!
@@WordOfYah Catholicism is Christianity. They and Eastern Orthodox were the original Christians.
@@WordOfYah I'm a Protestant and I'm considering Catholicism and Orthodoxy but it seems I've set my permanent residence on the fence. I think it's similar in some way.
The philosophy of "The Lord of the Rings" was so good. Playing my part, as Sam plays his part, is resonating with me. Often times I am seeking some grand thing I should be doing to change the world. Instead I need to humbly accept my part in God's grand plan. Glory to God!
I have similar feeling!
Samwise always spoke to me as well. He really is such a good image of what a man, a friend, can be
Catholic here and I’ve been following IP for a while, he’s very eloquent and extremely intelligent. I love his channel, hopefully more people can support him.
Marvel: Endgame will be the most ambitious crossover in history.
Pints and IP: Hold my Scotch.
I use to be a Torah observant christian and Michael changed my mind on that subject and now I'm a catholic catechumen. He has been such a huge influence on my faith.
Why? You were Messianic Jew?
That's awesome!
I’m interested why you would be unless you were a Jew?
Wait, so is IP catholic?
Sorry to hear you were duped twice.
My funniest line in the Gospel is in response to:
"You must be the only person in Jerusalem that hasn't heard about the things that have gone on the last couple of days."
And Jesus after being crucified and murdered said...
"What things?"
That is pretty good
Lmao
Thank you for having Michael on! His channel and work deserve more attention, and he's just such an all around solid dude.
Sometimes you watch podcasts so seamlessly that you're totally unaware of the time-this was one of them. Thanks for the experience Matt, can't wait for you to have him on again (possibly with Kreeft 😉).
Michaels video about the problem of evil was one of the most impactful videos I've watched. The end of it was inspiring to say the least.
I have watched this guy for some good time now. I've always appreciated his defense of faith and reason. On top of that he's very charitable towards catholicism. Definitely give his channel a look.
Very nice interview, and I look forward to hopefully seeing IP back with Dr. Peter Kreeft. You should consider reaching out to Dr. Falk of Ancient Egypt and the Bible, whom IP mentioned as the Egyptologist that critiqued his original Exodus Rediscovered documentary and then co-produced his revised version of that documentary.
All jokes aside...my mom is my covenant eyes accountability partner...it really works lol
Props to you man. That takes courage.
this is Lowkey the most courageous thing I've heard someone do lol. Hopefully God is continuing to keep you free of that filth, dude!
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That is awesome. Michael singlehandedly made me change my mind about engaging people on Tiktok. Wonderful ministry opportunity that I never even considered.
There really is no point in arguing with certain types of people. Just pray for them, honestly.
I was absolutely NOT prepared for him to open it up with “Don’t be a wanker”
Like bro my phone was on full volume 💀💀💀
Michael Jones is one of the horsemen of my conversion. I first heard his voice and thought he was a 21 YO boy until I saw his face😂. I think this is the first interview of him I’ve seen, so I’m disappointed I missed this live. God bless you both!
I love IP for bible studies. He has helped me so much through Génesis and Exodus.
I truly believe Mike is a gem in the Christian RUclips channel world. His messages aren't as depressing. His messages have hope and his channel actually provides good info.
Today I learned that the Catholic Church defended Romance based marriages. I am skeptical but will dig further thanks to this claim. I love this video.
I had never heard that the Church promoted romance. But it may be that the definition of “romance” has changed. I do know that the Roman Catholic Church believes that a marriage is not valid if either party was forced into the marriage.
Loved this. He's intelligent and yet down to earth and not concerned with sounding smart
Yep, IP has the sleeper build of intelligence. You don't know that he's actually a genius until he reveals it to you.
I’ve never come across Michael before but this was a easy chat to listen to. I’m def up for more…. IP here I come
What excellent insight on The Lord of the Rings and how to defeat the Dark Lord...through humility and love. Loved listening to the 2 of you comfortably talking with each other, both of you enjoying the dialog. It was completely organic.
Michael is legendary! Thanks for having him on.
My favorite funny line is in genesis. God tells Sarah and Abraham that Sarah will have a baby and she starts laughing. God asks her why she’s laughing 🙁
She says that she wasn’t laughing 😳
Yes u were😒. Just imagining God’s expression as Sarah tries to save face being like, “Dude.”
God has such a great sense of humor.
If you were as old as her and Abraham: he laughed too : you would too !
Issac means laugher: so its even more funny !
Best part of those stories is: that was Jesus, because we see in Exodus, God says “You cannot see my face and live.”
Same thing in Joshua 5, The commander of the army of the Lord, accepts Joshua’s worship, unlike an angel who would’ve denied it. That’s Jesus, the COMMANDER of the army of the Lord, who put down his sword and his glory to live and die for us!
And Who stands interceding for us now. Old Testament is awesome!
@@micahprice2807yep. Best OT realisation is that, whenever you read about God or the Angel of the LORD, etc. THAT'S JESUS. That's the same guy you're reading about when He's on the cross, dying for us. It's really crazy honestly.
This was a great listen. If you're reading, we love you, Michael ❤️
Pints love your channel... So valuable. Michael Jones' job for Inspiring Philosophy and how much I learned and one can learn from you is beyond estimation.
As someone who doesn't like whisky the fact that it's antiseptic makes perfect sense. Even bacterias don't like it.
I was into punk rock growing up in a very Catholic household. I don't know if my contrarion side is pulling me back to religion or if my parents hard work is starting to pay off.
The door is always open, brother! 🙏🏻
Bro haha same. I used to sneak out and go to punk shows, sneak back in for church the next day 😂
Trust me, me and half my youth group would go to Warped tour and mosh, Christ is calling everyone. Even the scene kids.
Being Christian is somewhat punk. To not conform to the patterns of the world. I mean, look at all the martyrs.
Your parents and others have been praying for you brother! God bless you
Wow! It’s nice to see the both of you collaborating. God bless you two
In difficult times God always raises up great Saints...
It excites me to hear who they may be...
From my understanding..it may even be you..or me!
May God bless us all! 🙏
1:26:32 what was said here reminded me of the story of the rich man and Lazarus, when the rich man in hell asks abraham to send someone from the dead to warn his family: “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; they should listen to them.’ He said, ‘No, father Abraham; but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the prophets, neither will they be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’ ”” Luke 16:29-31
I had never heard of the documentary hypothesis until watching Mike's video on it.
Just a few days later, my atheist boss tossed it out as an objection to the Bible in the middle of a break room discussion. By the grace of God I was well prepared with an answer thanks to IP.
I'd have been completely caught with my pants down without what I believe was a providential viewing.
Wow, that's providential. Not just to you, but to your boss. Maybe God's helping your boss through you.
Yer a dog-faced 🐕 pony soldier!
“You can’t take the good in Christianity without taking Christianity”. So good. Whenever it is about our cause with a Jesus theming, it doesn’t work. The center, the motivation, the core needs to be always a relationship with Jesus and caring about things because he does not the other way around. That results in fruit naturally. Fruit that is good for us and everyone else around us!
I disagree with his take here. Not the quote you’ve put up, I agree with that. But he seems to argue that if you submit your politics to Christianity, and don’t force some sort of divorce, then you secretly just want Jesus on your team for a pre-existing political goal. Of course, his politics are so representative of a certain strain of *relatively* theologically conservative baptist churches, that I cannot but suspect that IP is unaware of the fact that unconsciously his religion has formed his politics. The question he hasn’t asked is why his religion has so much in common with Postwar Classically Liberal/ NeoLiberal American Conservatism.
@@claymcdermott718 I see where you are coming from. I think the broader point for me would be that regardless of our political leanings, when we submit our politics to Jesus, our priority is no longer the political kingdom or our political party, but actually God's kingdom. My "team" isn't my "political affiliation + Jesus" with my political opponents as my enemies. Instead, Jesus gets to be the focus, and we can unify as the Church under his priorities. Some of those obviously do have a political intersection. I don't think we should divorce ourselves from making a difference in the world at all. I do think, however, that culture on both sides of the political aisle make an idol of the political world, and that the Bible doesn't neatly fit into either political archetype completely. If we try to contort God into a mascot for our previous politics instead of approaching politics with a loving, set-apart, kingdom mindset, we run into trouble both in our theology and our politics. We should be Christians and members of the Body of Christ as our primary identity and the driving force before anything else, and that will hopefully keep our priorities right in every other area.
God desires for us to take care of orphans and widows and the poor and needy, he desires for us to stand for justice and be a voice for the voiceless, he desires for us to protect the sanctity of life, he desires for us to live at peace with everyone as much as possible, to be in unity with the rest of the Body, and to love and pray for our enemies. Eating at the table with our political opponents is already countercultural, and not allowing ourselves to be boxed into extreme camps is even more countercultural. We won't always get it right, but I think if we truly keep Jesus first, we will interact with politics differently amidst a polarized, reactionary, vengeful, earth-focused world.
...dear brothers matt and michael, i really enjoyed your discussion; as someone who would be labled a Protestant these days and who grew up going to a Russian Orthodox Church on Saterday's and a Catholic Mass on Sundays, i appriaciate how you both live out the great commission in your respective venues. There is so much division in our culture these days it is reminisate to the anti war and civil rights era of the 1960's and 70's ,in Los Angeles where i grew up. Thank you both for your educational content and may we all gain a better understanding of the character of God, which Jesus lived out on this earth and may He help us in our walks as we go about our business of loving God and loving others, ....much love from Morro Bay, CA, ...eyah
I’m new to Michael Jones. This was a great interview, thoroughly enjoyed it.
I loved this interview😭😭🤣🤣🐐😂😂 please do another one with InspiringPhilosophy he’s awesome I love seeing him like this chill out relaxed and loosened up!!!
This was a really great fun interview by far my favorite one I’ve seen *PLEASE DO ANOTHER ONE AND MORE TO COME IN THE FUTURE!!* God bless🙏🙏🙏✊
Yep, Michael(IP) is a breath of fresh air in apologetics. He feels really relatable(just SOOOOOOOO much more knowledgeable)
This was great. Some of the best social commentary.
Michael has been fighting the good fight on the internet for ages against neckbeard atheists.
I support Michael's channel because of the great work he's doing and you should too.
Very cool! I appreciate the message about playing our own parts and not trying to be a hero we are not. Also good to remind that Christianity went through much worse persecution.
I so enjoyed this discussion. Very interesting and not so deep that it's hard to follow. Great points and great work! 🙏 ✝️
Fantastic conversation! More of this please.
I never got a notification for this and I had been waiting for it. Ugh. I looove IP, great channel.
I still love metal, and I love Jesus. 🙏🏼 Excellent discussion
Amen to that!
"Is there porn in the books?"
I tried to read them, couldn't finish the 4th book. Yes. There is porn all over and throughout those books.
Probably the best interview/conversation I’ve seen with Inspiring Philosophy.
Seeing the toast at the beginning of the video reminded me of an interview I listened to of Catholic professor Michael P. Foley, who wrote a book called Drinking With The Saints. Dr. Foley stated that when drinking with others, you should always begin with a toast.
Dr. Foley would probably be a great guest for Pints With Aquinas.
That book sounds hilarious! Im thinking of buying that stuff right now lol
So excited to see this collab!!
That G.K Chesterton quote just struck me ❤😮
Funniest line in the Bible?
At daily Mass, I chuckled out loud when the priest read this from the third chapter of Mark:
"When his relatives heard of this they set out to seize him, for they said, “He is out of his mind.”"
I disagree on Christian nationalism. Now I do not think we can make people Christians by government force, however that does not change the fact that all nations should be Christian nations in the sense that the secular government does have a duty to serve and obey God. For that reason I do believe that civil law should be based upon Biblical law in a kind of general equity theonomy.
Which eventually leads to a theocracy like the Roman Catholic church had in Europe and abused their narrow viewpoint of Christianity against all others.
@@davidjanbaz7728 perhaps, but any nation is at one level or other a theocracy. In America we live under a secular theocracy and look what it’s gotten us.
For those who hate Christian Nationalism: Should we remove the effigy of Moses from the top of the SCOTUS building? Should we change the national motto from “In God We Trust”? Should we remove the Latin inscription atop the Washington monument? The Decalogue at the National Archives should go? “Under God” officially removed from the pledge? Prayers before civic gatherings ended? Was SCOTUS right to ban prayer in public schools in the 60s? What about the seal of the US on all our money, With the eye of God, in a Trinitarian triangle watching over our country? I could go on and on.
That’s not what Christian Nationalism is
I watched this whole thing and it made my day.
What a great conversation! The best thing I have seen since the Kraft Peterson interview. Thanks!
The optimism of a postmillennialist! Thank you Michael.
I love the break screen. Aquinas versus Dawkins 😆!
I loved how laid back this interview was.
Yep, if you liked this, I REALLY STRONGLY SUPERLY(?) recommend watching IP's channel, Inspiring Philosophy. He's SOOOOOOOO down to earth and factual. But I also recommend studying all this yourself. Doing the philosophy, nitty-gritty and Theology, etc. Yourself. God bless.
So glad you brought Michael Jones on!
Matt should read Dawn of Wonder. Awesome fantasy with incredible writing that has a secret Christian message that jumps out of absolutely nowhere at the end and punches you in the heart
@puncbowlhaircut yeah but the author disappeared and never finished the story. I pray regularly that he is OK!
Great book though!
@@mccaski2 he got really sick but he has been very slowly working on the sequel. He has very occasional updates on his website!
I don't have qualms with the idea that our focus should be on the living Christian life and bringing people towards Christ, but there is also need to fight. The good times built by strong men are built because men are willing to fight for the things that are right.
This weird idea pervades, that if you do what you think Jesus wants you to do in the public arena, you must not love Jesus as much as quietists who will never do anything they have so much integrity. Not saying this is IP’s idea, but it is many people’s.
What a great interview! I saw most of it
I read all of A Song of Ice and Fire (well, what's been written) early in college. I avoided the show. However, the books themselves are pornography! And the sex scenes are not just gratuitous and detailed but usually grotesque. I deeply regret reading them now and wish I could get all of the images out of my head (including not just sex but also torture).
I found this dude a couple of months ago, and even tho he was a protestant, I admired the way he defended the Church, Catholicism, and just reason in general.
This is the best crossover ever.
I’m not sure sure he is Protestant
He has never stated he is a protestant and when he has gone into some of his views, which is rare, he leans heavily into Orthodox and Catholic theology.
@@EthanLington He's said before that one of his standards for being an orthodox (little o) Christian is following a 66-book canon.
I think he tries to be as ambiguous as possible regarding if he is Catholic or what domination he is if he isn't
@@mebenn3382 yeah I honestly think he's truly non denominational and tries to be steeped in history to the best of his ability. I would say he definitely isn't a practicing Catholic but he certainly pulls from historical Christianity and orthodoxy.
The most shocking moment of this video is Matt Fradd saying 'based'
Please bring Michael back! This was so awesome
ROP is not just bad storytelling (it is that too) but it is an act of vandalism by those who actually hate Tolkien, his values, and his philosophy and who wish to co-opt it in the service of their warped political ideology.
Well said
What I will say is that label Christian Nationalism is more often than not a negative moniker ascribed to traditional Christians who live in America. Also, we have a rich Christian history in this nation from the beginning so valuing that history also immediately gets you labeled as a CN.
the goat IP
That reminds me, Matt. Any chance of getting E. Michael Jones on Pints with Aquinas? Maybe to talk about Vatican II and David Wemhoff's book?
33:16 Trust the King
Wow!!! Way to go Michael. Thanks Matt for this interview 👌🏻
This guy is more catholic than most of the Catholics that I know.
There is catholics then there are Catholics then there are CATHOLICS
@@heistbros8575 and also "CaThOliCs"
I never thought I'd see the day these two met. I've been following and supporting Mike apmost since he first started and Matt for a few less, but for whatever reason they were almost in separate worlds in my head. It's a bit jarring for some reason, like seeing Han Solo chatting in Bilbo Baggins' living room 😅. A welcome crossover nonetheless. 👍
great convo, never seen these guys so casual before lol
I really enjoy this (not finished watching yet). I like IP's analysis (building on Tom Holland).
Also, Matt is 100% correct on the lack of rebellious subcultural edginess among zoomers and younger.
Tolkien's wrote multiple versions of Galadriel as his concept of her changed greatly over time. Most of us just know one or maybe two. For example, he wrote the following:
“Galadriel was the greatest of the Noldor, except Fëanor maybe […] Her mother-name was Nerwen (‘man-maiden’), and she grew to be tall beyond the measure even of the women of the Noldor; she was strong of body, mind, and will, a match for both the loremasters and the athletes of the Eldar in the days of their youth.
"Galadriel was a Sindarin name given to (and accepted by) her after her coming to Beleriand, meaning 'lady of the golden crown' or 'coronal', referring to the braids of her golden hair (braided high)." "She was then of amazon disposition and bound up her hair as a crown when taking part in athletic feats."
Tolkien created (or sub-created as he would say) such a ridiculous scope of material for Lord of the Rings and the thousands of years of legendarium surrounding it...and he was constantly rethinking and revising right up until his death...Even after spending extensive time studying LOTR, the Silmarillion, etc, I have been forced to realize how little most of us know about the breadth of what Tolkien wrote, much less, additional versions as he continually revised and retconned .
Highly recommend Corey Olsen for a scholarly approach to Tolkien and Tolkien adaptations, for example:
"The Metahistory of Galdriel"
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"The world is round and people still dont believe it" lol sad but true
So you can't get the fruits of the Spirit without the Spirit. Amen!! 🙏
“We have Kanye coming on next week” LOOOOL 😂
This interview is a dream come true
Gotta say, so proud of Dave Rueben and Locals!
Woah, great interview!
Wonderful conversation. ❤
I'm really trying hard to understand where this guy is coming from on Christian "nationalism". What does he mean by that word?
For example, I do not believe in having a secular government. I believe that if we are to have a gov, it should bow it's knee to Christ as king, it should glorify that which the Church teaches is good and criminalize that which the Church teaches is evil. Why do I believe this? Because the Catechism of the Catholic Church tells me to.
Most people would define this as "Christian nationalism".
So what does Mr. Jones propose our government do? Remain secular? Not adopt Catholic social teaching as legality? Become libertarian? He seems to be pushing hard against the concept of the government adopting a legal structure oriented towards the proper worship of God...
Thought this was E. Michael Jones for a second and got my hopes up
Covenant eyes you can use it with your spiritual director.
Sports , prayer, reading holy material, cold therapy, and hobby's that are moralny good or neutral will help.
Interesting conversation. Michael misunderstands, however, the role of Christianity as a cultural influence vs. Christianity as a salvific force in the world. We need both.
This was a spectacular ride! One of your best videos!
Matt, Univision and Telemundo fans would benefit from some more inspiring Christian entertainment , at least the ones I know.
Intrinsic Christianity is "I can't NOT follow Christ. He directs my life. He is integral to my being"
I was filled with the Holy Spirit in my 40s and was changed from the inside almost without effort. I cannot conceive of living without the direction and submission to the will of God in my life. A church community is edifying, but I follow Christ because He orders my steps. My life is immensely better than it has ever been.
Yes! I've been excited for this one!
I would really like to have a cup of tea with Michael.
I have deeply enjoyed this exchange. It has been deeply informative and edifying. I will possibly push back on one thing however. Perhaps its because our faith has such a heavy rationalistic tendency, but in conjunction with thought and reason, feelings, emotions, and mystical encounters are valid modes of experiencing and knowing the Truth of Christ. They certainly helped me overcome my doubting Thomas mind.
30:52 - I'm 40, and there definitely was a more anarchic/anti-authority zeitgeist.
1:01:00 - I see more and more as I watch The Lord of the Rings, having read the books but not remembering much about them, that Sam, Gandalf, and Aragorn are the chief "heroes" (though, there truly are no "heroes" in LotR). Frodo's role can't be overlooked, but he would have failed if it were left to his own power. When he couldn't walk, Sam carried him. Footprints in the sand... There is no hero except Jesus: Aragorn, the unknown king, Gandalf, the one of power who died and rose again, and Sam, the comforter who carried Frodo when he couldn't walk.
Peterson and IP should do a few meetings.
That would be amazing.
Weer een geweldige video 💪💪
Amazing how you can see the Holy Spirit work in societies that believe in him, and the difference or contrast with those that dont
In regard to the part of “did Jesus lie” here is an answer I’ve heard from Joe Heschmeyer on this passage. When Christ’s ‘brothers ask him if he’s going to the feast and he says no and shows up later this was NOT a lie. They asked him this question in the context of whether he’d GO to the party meaning participate. If your friend asks you to go to a drug ridden party and you say no, then show up later with the police you did not “go” to the party. You busted the party. This passage isn’t entirely analogous to my example but can be explained in a similar manner. Hope you see this Matt. God bless!
Wow I’ve been watching pints and reading Catholic books only for lent and this was the first time I’ve seen it get kinda weird at the end there when you talked about BC and EC
What a great interview!!!
Matt, I'm sure you know this: but Pints is "a ministry" too, even though you read ads (and read them with humor, I might add!).
Great stuff, now can we get E. Michael Jones? He lives a state over from you Mr. Fradd!