Exhausting! My silencer experiences with the BMW R1250R
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- Опубликовано: 11 окт 2024
- First of all please excuse the dirty fingernails! Had been a busy weekend in the shed 🛠️😊
Second of all... I've made mistakes during this process, but that is how I learn.... I speculate in this video based on my experiences, but those speculations might be wrong too! Take this video for what it is... one persons experiences and maybe my experiences could be useful to you in some way.
One minor correction; I refer to the Cat(alytic converter) as being in the link pipe; well it's actually in the downpipes, before the exhaust valve.
So after all those fun and games, I'm back with the Chrome Cannon! I won't say its growing on me, but I don't find it as offensive looking as I once did. I don't want to see it in any photos I take of the bike though... awkward! 😂
Here's my play list which does cover my performance testing, the first Leo Vince and the SP Engineering silencer too:
• BMW R1250R Exhaust saga!
Carl at Just The Way It Is:
/ @justthewayitis
Thanks for sharing. My issue with the factory silencer is the look, not the sound even it if could be nicer. It's a big piece which hides the wheel, and it's sad.
And Euro5 (I'm located in Belgium, don't know for US) is not an excuse when I compare with e.g. Ducati Diavel. Looks like they just don't care.
What I would like is a two silencers, one on each side "under" seat, in fact on each side near the top.
Thanx Ricky. Appreciate all the time & money put into this. Have the R1250RS ( standard pipe) and been considering upgrade. This gave me a lot to reconsider on whole subject 👍👍
That has been most helpful! I think your speculation that a big silencer is needed to allow for a sizeble length of convoluted interior tubing is probably right. Like you, I shall either keep the original (satin chrome) monster or save up for the Akro. You have just saved me wasting my money (again). Many thanks 😁
Thank you for sharing your experience Rikky! I suspect you'll be happy with the Akrapovic can once you shell out for it. Watching your saga makes me appreciate a lot that my R1200R came fitted with it from the start.
Don't rub it in! 😁 The Akra would have cost me an extra £22 a month I think, on PCP. But look how much fun I would have missed out on!!
proper honest how it it reviews without bias , really really helpful , cheers pal,
Don't be too hard on yourself. A bunch of us are just not able to leave a bike alone and I'm also guilty of that. Bought myself a Yamaha MT09SP; it's an SP I said so I won't need to change anything. Changed the brakes, the handlebar, the seat, levers but at least left the exhaust alone, in the first few months! Just can't help myself!
I am in good company then! Some mods work out, and others... not so much 😂
Good that you shared your experience it will help others. Agree the original exhaust is just too big as per the norm on modern bikes and Euro 5.
I ended up buying a used Akra from ebay... I have to admit it's probably the best option for the bike even though I'm not a fan of the looks... a video is on the way!
Thanks for this learning lesson , I was wondering which can to fit and after watching this video … I went and bought an akroprovic 👍👍👍mostly because I think they know what they are doing 😂😂😂😂😂
Making mistakes is the best way to learn ! I'm looking at a 2023/2024 r1250r se as my next bike (prob next year now) but I'll be speccing the Akra factory fit exhaust when i spec it up. Your youtube channel and your 'journey' with your r 1250 is very interesting. Keep the great videos coming Mr RT. 👍🏻
My model 1250 is a fantastic machine and so I'm sure the updated model will be a blast! I hope all goes well with your next bike! Thanks for your comment Ian ☺
@@ianchamberlain1631 Thanks Ian! I think that one got relisted as a very similar one (not sure if it is actually the same) got removed from auction a couple of days ago. The starting price is £450 and no doubt it could double by the end of the auction which is too rich for my blood!
The Leo looks the best.
I like the Arrow TI one wonder what the performance is like
Respect for all your diligence and efforts to sort your 'zaust how you want it Ricky!
When I've done a load of money on something and not got the "best value" return, I tell myself it's a hobby and we have to pay to enjoy our hobbies. Could be worse - you could be buying golf clubs... 😄
I tried golfing once... never got off the driving range 😂 Heaven help those who love bikes and golf!!
Thanks for that Ricky saved me a few quid , like you I am gonna wait to get the Akrapovic 👍🏻
I just got my 2023 r1250r and can’t thank you enough for sharing your experience!
Ps. My other bike is a 21 year old Aprilia Falco 1000, with Leo Vincis and it’s loud AF!
Congrats on your new R1250R I hope you'll come to enjoy it as much as I've enjoyed mine 😊
I always wanted a Falco, until I sat on one and realised how sporty the riding position was 😂
No mattter what the topic/review always such a great watch.
Your honest opinions and willing to show/discuss things that haven't gone to plan, for me, represents, the real world.
Akra's are painfully expensive but, in my experience,do work.
Have you looked at MIVV or considered speaking with Pro Race exhausts based near Peterborough?
Prorace work with Sycamore Motorrad and have developed many cans/systems for various BMWs, they also (or did) undertake bespoke work.
Brilliant company to do business with , i have one fitted to my RR.
Maybe they would be interested in possible, advertising on your channel and or to provide you with an exhaust to your spec?
I did include the prorace link but RUclips deleted it.
Hi TT thanks for the info 😊 So as you may have seen now, I have caved in and bought an Akra!! Came up on ebay for £500 and as you know there about £1000 new so I couldn't resist! I will try to sell the other two now to recoup some of the expense... That really interesting what you've said about Pro Race, I did not know that they had worked with a BMW dealer to develop their products. Since I have the Akra now I don't really need their services at the moment but I will keep them in mind 😊
Well for someone on a limited budget you’ve sure spent a lot of money Mr T. However from one Mr T to another I’ve just upgraded my RS to an RT and the RS was an upgrade from the R so pot, kettle and black would spring to most people’s minds🤣🥴. Still, as long as you’re having fun keep going Mr T you’re a long time dead!! I certainly am enjoying myself and I just love that boxer engine.
Ah yes, the old slippery slope!! 😂 Totally agreed you might as well make the most of this life while you can! It took a long time to get myself into a position where I can make these kind of financial decisions and still be able to eat at the end of the month 😁
What a fun process! :D More exhaust sounds plssss!!
If I swap the exhaust over YET AGAIN I will be sure to record more exhaust sounds 😂
Yep been there. Its a lot about standing waves, reversion waves, back pressure, anti reversion cones and the difference in speed of sound and gasses. But it is easier than a 2stroke imho.
Thanks for the validation Barnettspeed Suzuki! I was just hoping for the best with that Leo Vince end can, but physics had other ideas!!
An RD 350 F2 with Micron Grand Prix pipes... that was the dream! I had the RD back in the 90's so I got halfway there!
😂I feel your pain Rikky very frustrating , silencers these days really don't look good on many bikes I have looked many times for silencers for my bike which is a classic style and old to boot but I I don't like the look of cans on it I won't be changing since that is all that seems to be available for mine. I have seen an Italian brand that looks just like my standards but if they sound the same why bother . Your bike is much more modern and I would think much more is involved when you change silencers ie needing to be tuned to suite the pipe .Good luck keep spending we all do it 😉but hey it's all good fun 👌👍
You're right Mal I am having fun doing this stuff and trying to personalise the bike... one step forward and two steps back! 😁😂
Yes buying a new silencer should be about both aesthetics and sound otherwise what's the point!
I think changing modern exhausts is going to keep getting more difficult right up to the point where we are all riding electric bikes and it won't matter then! I might put a lolly stick in the wheel after that 🤣🤣
@@RikkyTang 🤣
Oem Chrome canon is fine imho. Suits the bike and is designed to allow proper fuelling and perform well. Akra or remus both make more power. What you paid overall would have bought either! K&N and end pipe would give you what you need without any remap since the cat is the major gas flow restriction. Decat headers and end pipe would need a reflash or your bike will run too lean and that would prove costly as some owners have found out the hard way. Other exhausts to consider include gpr furore, blue flame and scorpion.
Hi Paul, well we will have to disagree over the chrome cannon - I'm definitely not a fan!
I certainly thought I was saving myself a lot of money at the beginning of this sorry saga 😂
I'm happy with the set up for now... I don't think a decat will be for me as I don't believe I will be able to keep the bike quiet enough with a end can alone if the cat is removed (noise levels being a subjective thing obviously). If I keep the bike long term I'll consider more mods on the intake/exhaust side of things. Thanks for your thoughts!
@@RikkyTang I see the attraction of a louder can but I found with one of my bikes, it got on my nerves after many hundreds of miles into a tour, where the drone coincided with the cruising speed and just put me off wanting another loud pipe. Mine sounds fine imho with the standard one, I just wish it wasn't so large.
Ricky, I have a 23’ R1250R and don’t care for the rear chrome “tuba” exhaust either. Looking at the SC-1 Project exhaust. Size seems to be better as well as sound. Did you look into an SC Project exhaust for your bike?
Or just install a Bluetooth microphone near the exhaust and send the sound to a set of earbuds you are wearing. IDK. I want to change out my chrome cannon also, and seems based on your several videos I need to go with the Akrop. But mostly out of stock in US.
Thx for explaining your adventures. I enjoyed Luckily I bought the Akra. I slightly hesitated about a Jekyll & Hide, but expect it to be too loud for me.
(And I hate the idea of having to switch the exhaust all the time during a ride)
I just wish I could get on board with the Akras looks!
Previous owner of my R1250RS installed an Akra slip-on on. Wish it weren't so big but I feel when I decide to go all the way with decatted Akra headers and a S2 Brentune it'll have been worth it.
Everyday is a school day 'eh Rikky? 😄 Just think of the knowledge you have gained and now shared! Do you think you would have noticed the drop in power if you hadn't of done the track-day?
Thank you! I do enjoy sharing what I've done with my bikes, so people know what not to do 🤣 I think would have figured out the power drop before too long even without the track day... I was just in the honeymoon period with the new sound that's all 😁
I had one of the last gs 1200s ,it wasn’t quite loud enough but I didn’t fancy spending a lot on a new end can.
I saw a youtube vid where this guy took the oe end can off and drilled holes in the baffles from the exhaust pipe end………so I did the same !
The exhaust note was a bit louder and lower sounding and the bike didn’t seem to lose any performance.
It did need a very long drill bit to reach the baffles but otherwise it was an easy job.
Maybe try it on your 1250 ?
Thanks for your comment! After reading it I had started thinking about trying to drill the OEM silencers... if I messed it it's easy to find replacements on ebay for less than £100! But a few days ago I did something stupid and found an Akrapovic for sale on ebay and bought that instead 😁 A video is in the works!
have you thought about cutting down that honeycomb db killer?
Keep the stock exhaust and add a microphone near the outlet. Wire it into your headset and you will hear it clearly 🤪🤣
Have you had a look to see if you can run a twin exhaust? 2 shorter ones one on either side?
Moto gp run all sorts of rltwin set-ups
I had not given that serious thought Micheal to be honest... the idea of having the two link pipes and mounting brackets designed and fabricated, on top of the cost of the two silencers sounds like a money pit to me!
The new Leo Vince and Remus look best.
Be interesting what the weight difference is between the silencers. Perhaps there's just more baffles = weight in the OEM one.
That's a good point there John! I did originally weigh the OEM silencer (5.5Kg) and the Leo Vince (2.5Kg). Maybe there is another cat hidden in the OEM unit, but I suspect it's just a lot of baffling/wadding to keep such a big engine quiet!
Hi Ricky.....
If the Leo Vince is available for sale........please get back to me
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I've got back to you via email 😊
Do you think the Leo Vince LV12 (the new big one) would fit a R1200RS ??
I don't see why not - the 1200 and 1250 R/RS exhausts seem to be interchangeable :)
the so called "honeycomb filter" is actually a catalytic converter for motorcycles
I'm afraid that you are mistaken - catalytic converters contain precious metals such as platinum, palladium and rhodium. This would cost a lot more than the price I paid if it had those metals in it! It's just a Db killer/baffle made out of steel, that's all.
@@RikkyTang you can actually look it up on google if you like
I once bought a akrapovic full system exhaust and this was a optional extra that could be added to make it “street legal”
@@RikkyTangit's exactly what he said it is... it's a catalytic converter...its identical to those stock cats on my older bikes (fzs1000, cbr1100xx and zx12r)...
Hello , just came across your channel thanks to Karl at Just the way it is. I dont think you wasted your time it was very interesting. My experience is a Black Hawk Remus bought in 2013 for the first watercooled GS then. Great pipe worked well just nice noise, moved it to 2017 1200gs same again, bought a r1250 gs triple black and "ermm" this is different and loud just a bit to much and my wife who rides pillion noticed it. The DB killer is a reduced hollow pipe slieve so I bought a mesh tube with a blank end filter and welded it on the DB killer and hey presto great job, looks well sounds nice and no loss in performance. So I think you have a valid point in the volume theory. KN does give a little more induction but not like say a Kawasaki which are renowned for it. ruclips.net/video/kn9A5vntDjE/видео.html my bike.
Any thoughts on the arrow exhaust
The looks of the Arrow never really did it for me (would have been better if their logo had been smaller). Also I am concered that since it is a smaller volume exhaust, that I get into a similar issue that I had with the Leo Vince where possibly the performance would be affected with the db killer fitted. I have to be clear that I might be wrong on the whole small silencer/big silencer theory, but I don't want to spend another £350 on an Arrow to find out!
Vs Dominator and a dyno…… hint hint
If I could see a dyno chart to prove that the bike wouldn't lose performance with that can and the DB killer fitted (because that is the minimum performance level I would be willing to accept), I'd be tempted to give it a try
@@RikkyTang same - not willing to be their tester for them, I did email and they say they’ve not dyno’d on a 1250 and no plans to. To me, it does sound the best though (great crackles and pops on the overrun, not tinny). Not willing to take any performance hit and I too don’t want anti-social loudness.
@@aps-pictures9335 Yep, sounds like we are in the same boat!
So your bike has to be big but your can (is) small. A Freudian multimillion market indeed. Ever thought about buying a can of black temperature resistent spraypaint? Furthermore there is the old drill trick. One hole at a strategic place will be enough. And if it doesn’t work you can always put in a screw. Combined costs? A tenner at the most. 🤣
The drill trick is on the cards, I have an endoscope so I will take a look up there...
Yes, the old trick of drilling the end plate of the oem end baffle or the reverse cone baffle insert. Used to do this to all of my stock exhausts to make them sound a bit better. The reverse cone found in most oem pipes is at the link pipe end. With aprilia mille’s this cone could be knocked out as they’re usually only spot welded on. HT paint never works well as it easily scratches and looks a mess after a while. I might be on my own but I like the oem chrome canon. Looks and sounds great.
Last thing I want on a long run is a loud pipe droning away giving me a headache. Deeper note would be ok. (GPR furore would give that) as would a hole drilled in the right place of original as you suggest.
I’ll take that leo off u 😊
You can take it off me for £250 if you like!