No More Milorganite (For Me)
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
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Milo has done my yard wonders. there's a reason all my neighbors ask me what i'm doing 😂
Milorganite is awesome. My lawn is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay greener than my neighbors'. I'm sure that my next door neighbor goes nuts trying to achieve my success in greendom.
you know your getting old when our goal is to have the greenest lawn on the street
@@locutus1126 I'm 29. Hey, they say that some liberals hate that some people like to have a nice lawn.
LOL
Great video! I started my lawn care journey two years ago. Following LCN and using Milo. It was great for a beginner. This season however, i got away from Milo. I still have 6 bags saved for a rainy day tho. I am now confident in throwing down, and like to see what different products do to my lawn. But Milo started it all for me, and i will always recommend it to a beginner.
Milorganite is unavailable in Canada. I find that applying a good slow release fertilizer three times a year will give you excellent results on a lawn. Do not try and push it through summer dormancy. Focus on watering during the heat, add a moisture retention product if possible.
Hey, do you recommend any milorganite alternatives that are available in Canada?
Nice Lawn.
I still use Milorganite and I alternately apply it with Pure Organics which has no phosphorus, but have Pottasium in it. I do my application every six weeks, so I get consistent Nitrogen and some Pottasium or Phosphorus every other application.
So far so good..
Where do you buy pure organics?
@@1312Vb bought from home depot. I normally stock up on ferts by Jan/Feb because they easily sold out from our local Home Depot or Lowes
Yes! My lawn started turning a yellowish green ! Was putting down super heavy!
lol a yellowish green? that doesn't happen from milorganite
Was your lawn looking different as the reason for soil testing? Never used milorganite but thinking about it this year. I’m in Mississippi. Good video.
It's a good product. I didn't notice any physical difference in the lawn's appearance, I just became interested in the results of a soil test and went from there , really.
Great information and perspective. Thanks!
Thanks for watching
Jimmy Lewis
Absolutely! Video looks great and no glitches! 🙂
I always use milorganite once per year and then I use a different fertilizer the second time
Progress through education. 👍👍. I use Screaming Green.
Translation: "I didn't use a product correctly, so I'm never using it again."
100%
This just seems sad and a little dumb. Kind of hard to believe what this guy did (failed to start with soil test) and decided to make a reaction video off of it.
I have to agree. I've used Milo for four years now and use it as instructed with no problems. I'm not new to lawn care and will NEVER use Scots or any other chem fertilizer
😅😅😅
Exactly, now let me use every product.
Why did you exceed the recommended rate (by a lot) for the Milorganite?
Because the lawn (infomercial) youtubers are on a trend to use crap tests (yard mastery) that indicate crap info to enable using other niche products that make them more money.
@@BrodeyDoverosx seeing alot of that!!! ALOT!!! From wetting agents to whatever garbage they can try and pass off on people to earn their affiliate commissions.
@@BrodeyDoverosx I don't even purchase the products thru their links and they're working wonders on my lawn. if done right the products they push work great. it's not always about the commission if you know how to get around it.
This sounds like a video about someone realizing they have a cocaine problem
Doesn't it though! I was fixing supper listening to this video and he said "and I was using a LOT of Milorganite" and that's exactly what I thought! Like he was shooting it or something!
Lol just use in spring and then in the fall and your solid will be great
Ya sounded like he’s talking to a drug counselor.
You will be able to save yourself a lot of time and frustration by getting a text on the principles of turf grass management. While it’s good that you’ve decided to do a soil test, levels of NPK are only the start. pH and CEC result will give you a much better idea of your soil health. I’ve used Milorganite for over 30 years and love it, but like any other tool you have to know how to use it properly. One pound of N a month is more than excessive, it borders on toxic. Good luck with your turf this season.
Totally agree. I'm always open to learning. Thanks!
Having been a former Golf Course Superintendent and now in the municipal wastewater field. The concerns of synthetic fertilizers made from the oil versus reclaimed biosolids as resource that has amazing benefits is almost undeniable. I had used this product as a secret weapon as a Superintendent. Most could not believe how the first week a good weather i could have such amazing looking turf. Microbes work on soil temperature and are releasing nitrogen at the rate the plant can take up. It is obvious to most that leaching of Fert and Chem products in the environment is real. Alge blooms in the water sheds of golf courses in evident even as most don't talk about it. Fert and Chem is how we achieve amazing conditions in very high traffic turf businesses but if we could save all the CO2 of make synthetics. If we could save from using harmful Fungicides that fight diseases like snowmold, anthracnose and dollar spot, that bio fert fights against. And at the same time reduce the incineration of biosolids to atmosphere and just trucking to landfills. Besides Milorganite there has few use cases except land application on existing farmlands. Which is far less refined than milorganite. I see Milorganite as the only solution with the greatest value add. And as we wake up to electric vehicles, solar and the such as viable alternatives. Consider the all the benefits of Milorganite. To say it's for first timers and not pros is far from the truth and the real world benefits of the product.
Never said it wasn’t for pros. Just said it’s a great product for beginners to learn with because you get the benefit of great results without the fear of burning the lawn.
Like I said, I think it’s a great product. I’ll never deny the results it provided me. It’s just gotten too expensive over the last few years to justify the cost, and my soil doesn’t need the P.
I have switched to full synthetic in my vineyard and orchard, has saved me so much money and just works.
Lol why you talking like your dog died? You were using milo completely wrong, thats why your soil test was jacked up. Milo a once a year thing
There is no difference between Milorganite and doodoo. Except your doodoo is fresh, has more moisture, and is free. I could not imagine myself being willing to grab a handful of dried, pelletized, doodoo from Milwaukee and spreading it all over my lawn.😂 Cleveland, from Family Guy said it best: That's nasty.
Moral of the story:
Get a soil test, do what it says.
Agree! Milorganite might be the best for your lawn! It works wonders in mine and I have KBG.
Miloganite tells you it's good for 10-12 weeks. Why apply every 4 weeks?
Milo Is wonderful if used correctly. You’re crazy not use it anymore. You must also use synthetics in conjunction with the Milo.
it didnt work for me either
This said he fertilize every month heavy. Moat lawn guys fertilize by the holidays . Somebody call the EPA ....
Oh my goodness, you were using way too much and wasting a lot of money. Milorganite is a slow-releasing fertilizer. What possessed you to use it every month? There is no fertilizer on the market (organic or synthetic) is instructed to be used every month! A monthly application of any fertilizer is detrimental to your lawn. The directions on when and how often to Milogranite is blatantly printed on the bag. How could you go wrong? All you had to do was follow the directions, and it doesn't matter if you're a beginner or a professional. The instructions and time intervals of applying fertilizer is very straightforward.
You didnt know how to calculate square footage? Sorry couldn't watch past this.
Fall back 15; and PUNT.
Wwwaaaa
*milorganite is the best fertilizer you can use for you lawn if you follow the instructions, I been using this fertilizer for the past five years and I tell you I have the nicest lawn in my neighborhood*
Wait what ... “I was putting down 5 bags of Milorganite a month” 😧 ... Holy Milwaukee crap Batman that’s a lot of Nitrogren and Phosphorus. That’s 160 pounds of Milorganite (if it was the 32Lbs bags), 9.6 pounds of Nitrogen, and 6.4 pounds of phosphorus a month ... wowsers. So if it truly was full rate 5 bags would mean your yard is near 12,500 square feet which would mean every month you threw down .768 Lbs of nitrogen. If your growing season was only 6 months on the conservative side that’s 4.608 lbs of nitrogen per 1,000 square feet for the year (if your lawn is 12,500). That’s an extremely high rate of nitrogen for a plant you’re not growing as a for profit crop. I don’t fault you for it because I think everyone has done this at some point in their lawn journey.
Maybe this is why teaching measuring lawns every year for new viewers and discussing what is a normal amount of nitrogen per 1,000 square feet per year is so important. It’s a classic just because you can doesn’t mean you should lesson. I did the exact same thing you did but I recently switched to a lower total nitrogen program tailored to my lawns needs and with less than 2 lbs of nitrogen per 1,000 I had the best lawn I’ve ever had. A lot of it was small spoon feeding, lowering PH slowly, responsibly applying soil supplements, applying potassium, and not over watering. It felt so good to hear all the compliments this year especially when people would ask what company I was paying to spray my lawn and I’d say I do it myself. Each lawn is a little different because there are so many variables but Milorganite is a great stepping stone until you feel comfortable taking a deeper dive into the lawn through soil samples, forum research, reading university white papers, and asking industry pros who’ve been at it for a long time.
My biggest problem now isn’t the fertilizer program, herbicides, or fungicides. Now it’s finding project lawns of friends and family then fixing their lawn or getting permission to experiment with this new found knowledge responsibly. I’ve recently dove into the world of elite cultivars and university trial studies. After doing a renovation on a family member’s lawn and them going from the worst yard in a half mile radius to the deepest lushest green lawn with low N input has bitten me with the lawn renovation bug. My lawn is beautiful so now I’m looking for other lawns to “flip” renovate like the one I did last year.
Well said. Thanks for the math! Also, I hope you typed all that on a desktop and not on your phone 🙃
Jimmy Lewis I typed it out on an iPad mini which I’ve become very proficient at typing with except the occasional auto-correct issues here and there. I edited a word from my post because of a misspelling and I lost the Jimmy Lewis loves your comment 😞. I love the channel, the content, how you present it, and the generous give away which I used on a lawn renovation last year.
LCN got me started on my journey like most. Mulching, dethatching/core aerating, and milorganite alone have boosted my lawn to one of the best in the community. But now, it's time for me to get smarter and get to the next level. This video is a start!
Did the same as well Jimmy. Started using NeXT products with CarbonX and had even better results, that lasted longer.
Great video - loved the multiple camera angles - very professional :-) Nicely done buddy
Thanks Scott. Appreciate you watching. I'm looking forward to using those products again as well. Spring can't get here soon enough.
Been using Miloganite for years. It built me a great lawn, and for that i'm thankful. Milorganite is essentially the training wheels for the beginnings of DIY fertilization. Eventually though, we all need to understand how all that Phosphorous ends up getting bound up in the soil as well as metals etc. Throw down Milo for a few seasons to build up soil micobiology, but DO A SOIL TEST to see what is going on with your soil. There is no magic bullett in lawn care and the more you research and understand soil, the more you will see that. Lawns need Potassium to ward of diseases, where Milo is deficient. Carbon x fert and N-ext products have built me a beautiful lush thick stand of turf that is untouchable in my neighborhood. A mix of organics as well as synthetics ( at low doses) has worked wonders for my lawn.
I have never seen awesome results from milorganite. Good stuff for sure but not worth the money even at 8 to 10$ per bag
$7.99 a bag in southeast Michigan. One of greenest lawns on the block and the worms airate the soil for free.
I'm curious, as I'm also in SE MI... Where are you getting it for that? (And you're talking 32lb bag?) Most places I've seen are $14 or higher, unless on sale (and even then it's marginally cheaper).
Family Farm and Home will have a spring sale, last year 8.99 a bag 👍🏻
10 bucks a bag? We get it here for $6 not on sale. $5 when it is on sale.
@@eddiesandle3650 Folks, that isn't much money for a good looking money. Throw it down and move on!
Puts down milo onece a month wonders why there’s too much phosphorus. Follow the directions and milorgonite works just fine
Lesson learned. Happy to use it again if my soil test results allow for more P and if the retail price comes down.
I don’t get it. You say milo is getting way to expensive at $15.99 per 32 lb bag; .50 cents per lb, yet $58 per 45 lb bag of XGN is $1.28 per lb....I’ll stick with Milo thanks
Thanks for your comment. There's another way to look at cost for fertilizer, and that's how much you're paying per each 1,000 square feet of coverage. For example, Milorganite at $16/bag covers 2,500 sq. ft. $16/2500 sq. ft x 1,000 gives you $6.40 per 1,000 square feet. XGN at $58 covers 11,000 square feet. The same formula gives you $5.27 per 1,000. CarbonX is $65/bag and covers 15,000 square feet. That's $4.33 per 1,000 feet. Hope that math makes sense. Also interesting to note is the prices for XGN and CarbonX also factor in shipping costs. But like I said in the video, it's not just price that I'm weighing here. It's the results from my soil test, and learning to find products that fit the needs of my soil.
I just laid down some milorganite. I'm hoping to make my retired boomer neighbors all jelly.
Unfortunately, Miloganite has been shown to have polyfluoroalykl substances which can not be removed from your soil. There are lots of great alternatives.
My neighbor levels his lawn with Milorganite.
Lol
I put down milorginite and water it in with miracle grow lawn food. Wow!!!! My yard looks like the Prince of Wales lawn.
You water down with miracle grow right after laying down milorganite? How often do you water it with miracle grow? I might have to start doing this.
Lesco FTW. never looked back. Also you the next products in conjunction.
If you were putting down that much product, you must not have read the instructions for 1 bag covers 2500 sq ft. I get it for $10 per 2500 sq ft it works great for a once a year application
Once a *_month???_* Yegads. :o
Only in America can you pay 20 bucks for a bag of shit! That said, Milorganite worked wonders for my lawn, and initiated the growth of several rings of white mushrooms, which, may be poisonous to animals and humans. I was told by several landscapers that when you see a ring of mushrooms, that is a sign that your lawn is very healthy.
My kingdom for an unlimited supply of good ole cow manure. Dried and screened.
I do wish milorganite was cheaper because i don't get any burn.
Okay, I'm halfway through this "I'm Not Using Milorganite" video, 4:19 where he says: "I was very keen on getting the deepest, darkest green lawn in the whole entire neighborhood, and I did that, and I attribute that to Milorganite and the iron in Milorganite." So what could POSSIBLY be coming in the second half that would cause him to call this video "No More Milorganite For Me?" What?? WHAT COULD IT BE????
Okay. Finished the video. Sooooo......
1. If you put down 20X more Milorganite than is required, 4:30 your lawn will be beautiful. (Try that with synthetic fertilizer. Or you can just use Roundup).
2. The cost for Milorganite will then add up. Using other fertilizers at the correct ratio will also give good results. But so will Milorganite, at the correct ratio. In fact, you'll get the same results: 6:17.
3. Jimmy mentions how Milorganite went up in price recently. 3:05 So 5 bags a month does get expensive. But the first fertilizer he recommends as an alternative is CarbonX. That costs $40 for 24lbs. Safer brands "Lawn Restore" costs $30 for 25 lbs. Milorganite costs $16 at Home Depot for 36 lbs. Even at that "sky-high" price of $25 mentioned, Milorganite STILL costs less than anything else. So price can't be it. Results can't be it. So, WHAT IS IT????
4. I now know what the name "Milorganite" stands for: 1:42.
Thanks for your comments. As far as price goes, I would suggest looking past comparing the cost per bag, and instead looking at the cost per application. See this blog post for more detail - jimmylewismows.com/blog/weighing-fertilzer-cost/
Soooo....you worry about cost. All that stuff is far more expensive. And far worse for the environment. If you used it properly your soil wouldn't be out of wack. So ....read the directions...
Did he say once a month?
Joker, ha yes that's what he said. Still not sure why he's giving up on Milo.
Well, I use milorganite. Also Scotts turf builder weed & feed, and 12-12-12. And I get all kinds of compliments, nice dark green and thick as a carpet...
I use Milorganitea great seed starter also and putting Scotts truff builder fertilizer answers killer I wait a month after and then shoot with milorganite turn dark green and helps the soil. Weeds gone all grass no brown spots and no weeds.
The biggest issue is people don’t knkw the application rates. I double up on the recommended application rate and have hd the greenest lawn on the block. I had true green and others ask me what was I doing because their customers were complaining that my lawn looks better than theirs. Is it all you need to do? No- but in combination with spraying a couple other things is all you need to do-
Double up? Did you do two passes?
@@dannyhernandez305 do just do dble the recommended application rate...
I paid $7 per bag about 5 years ago, and $21 per bag today. That is the real inflation.
You said the word "so" 6 times in the first minute and a half. I couldn't watch any more.
Once a month application? The name of this video should be I can't read and don't follow directions. People like this guy are similar to the one who ate McDonald's 3 times a day and then wondered why they were fat with health problems.
I have a bag and a half left. Once that’s gone I’m switching to something else as well.
It brings me pride knowing my daily dump is going to green lawns all across the nation. I will never look at a flush the same way again. #brewcity
I only use Milo in the summertime cuz it won't burn your lawn
I used for the first time ever this summer... I got the worst ever lawn rust and mushrooms all over ??
Totally agree that it is way overpriced..
I can get a 50 LB bag of it at my local golf supplier for 14 bucks. Can't beat that!
you dont need to cut back on phosphorus what are you talking about? phosphorus is important and is needed by plants, thats why its on every bag of fertilizer
I teach people to use fertilizer products that contain nutrients their soil needs based on soil test data.
My soil is high in phosphorus. I don’t need to add more with every application so I’m conscious of the phosphorus levels in the fertilizer products I choose to use.
Milorganite just got too expensive. You can get GreenEdge which is produced via the same method only using 21st century technology instead of 75 year old technology for $5 a bag from Home Depot.
$16.60 per bag in 2022 at my home depot, only $.30 cheaper than Milo.
Whoa! Multiple camera angles. Jimmy's getting crafty
😎😉
How much human shit from Milwaukee can anything really handle?
"became popular a couple years ago"? It's been popular at least, by the looks of things, 3x your age.
Hahaha...I was thinking the same thing. I have known about Milorganite since the late 70s.
My dad was using it in the 70s
Never used Milorganite I usually use starter fertilizer in spring with overseeding and then just use DR IRON 22% iron as a supplement get a really dark green color without having the excess growth that's my strategy works amazing I am from Canada grass being used is Kentucky BLUE
Milo is still nice just because of the sheer amount of product you get to put through your spreader....makes it easy to ensure even coverage. Would be nice if there were more reasonably priced products with higher lbs per thousand....but it just doesn't make sense economically/logistically. I too will be looking for some alternatives for this season...
If you're a beginner (or a pro), do a yearly soils test. Best money you'll spend on your garden.
As for Milorganite and any other sewage sludge product, be very leery of heavy metals/pesticides/chemicals. Plenty of horror stories about farmers using similar 'cheap' fertilizer and turning their fields into hazardous waste sites.
I saw milo at Home Depot in Columbus Ohio last weekend at $16.99/bag. Thats too much. I have a half acre. 7-8 bags 3-4 times a year. I will go back to synthetics! Great vid btw.
Well thought out!. I just became a new subscriber. Thank you for that explanation.
I'm glad to hear all your information was based off of a soil test.,A soil test for lawns is no different than a blood test for a humans...facts are facts...no guess work as to the analysis/issues..
Thanks for the video
Totally agree. Thanks!
I was concerned more about the lead and arsenic it contains
Sreamin green kid, try it out!!!! Best fert I've ever used. Been in the business 20+ years
Where do you get it from?
@@3pumpkins170 we grab it from lesco
Yes it is!!!!
I get it from my local sod company
No mo mi-lo
How do you feel about now about Milorganite being found to contain the forever chemical contaminants which are now spread all over your yard?
Oh well 🤷♂️
So are you saying Milorganite is at fault because you overapplied their product? Applying it at a rate for what your lawn needs will likely not get you these results.
Not at all. I over-applied their product because I was learning, and I was addicted to the results. My point is that Milorganite is a great product for beginners, and that the next step is getting a soil test, learning to read and understand the results, and finding products that best benefit your soil. I'm not knocking on Milorganite at all. I think I was very clear on that. If ever my soil test results permit the use of it again, I'm happy to use it, if the price hasn't continued to increase as much as it has.
I also drank the Milorganite Kool-Aid for about 4 years. I was never fully happy. I went back to synthetic fertilizers and get much better results. I will never go back to any of that organic high price garbage.
This is a good video.
But you can also put Nothing on your lawn (except fix the patches).
Everybody living downstream from you is drinking your lawn junk !
99 % chance, you will ignore this guidance.
Sad !
I use 2 bags every month on my 3k sq ft lawn. Thars right 2 bags that shit works. Literally. It doesnt burn and helps your soil. All this measuring shit is garbage. Get it!!!
Lol
Dude, it's eTcetera eTcetera. Not EXcetera...
This product helps our planet by recycling human waste back into our ecosystem which is going to be essential in the future.
Plus phosphorus in the near future is going to be in short supply.
Milorganite is shit. A huge waste of money
In nj i buy oceangrow locally for 7.99 for a 45lb bag its the same as miloorganite
That’s a great deal
That second camera is so annoying and unnecessary.
This sounds like a 'dont do drugs' video haha
I 100% agree I think it's a great product to start with and get spreading down pat before you get real serious and putting down what is needed
Good call. It is a great product however to much hype. I would still use it but say on a backyard that allot of kids play in. I would not use it every application but just sometimes to keep things going with a safe product.
Good ideas. Thanks.
milorganite is $9 a bag here in Wisconsin, but depends what store you go to. some stores right up the road will get $17 a bag
That's interesting. I would think Wisconsin would have the lowest prices.
Here in CT Danbury I must say Screamin green has done wonders for me .. I’ll be adding Biostems liquid pack thnx to LCN 👍
Reading random comments and I see CT - Danbury. I worked at a summer camp in lakeville! 😀
@@4ndy123 have you ever been to brothers pizza ?
@@420lawncare I know Mizza's pizza. I went to some very random towns... Torrington. Great Barrington was nice though.
If I poop on the lawn will it be the same lol
Great video. Well put together. It’s 25$ a bag here in ny. So I’ll only spoon feed my lawn once in the spring. Then using other products
that's too much....now in 2024 its 17-21 bucks a bag at most places
Good information, thanks for sharing!
$30-$35+ on amazon rn. -9/14/2021
Pegboard and workstation is looking sweet!
Thanks! I'm super happy with it.
I’m limiting my Milo apps to just the summer application. $18 a bag here so just the one app of that, and I think the summer would be the best bet as I want to still stay away from synthetic in the heat.
$18 a bag is so much
Yup. I can get away with just 2 bags to give me 1/2 lb of N, which combined with the Next products should get me through the summer. That’s the plan at least, we’ll see in time 😁
Great video! Thank you! Can't a potassium supplement be put in with the Milo mix??
Thanks. Yes I would absolutely recommend supplementing potassium when using Milo. Potassium is a very important macronutrient that the grass plant requires. Planning a video around that actually.
What's the problem with a higher phosphorus reading?
What is this history class ?!!
You said early on in the video that 1 of the reasons why you stopped taking morganites was because of the cost. But all the other products you mentioned that you use are either as costly or more than Morgan a. I'm sure you can find cheaper products that have less phosphorus in it if its the cost aspect so I'm confused as to why you stop taking morganites and switch to the more costly products
Thanks. I think cost for a product is deeper than what you pay for a bag. Consider what the cost per application is. Check this out - jimmylewismows.com/blog/weighing-fertilzer-cost/
Cost is very high when you calculated $/lb. nitrogen
Thanks for posting/sharing.
On our St. Augustine grass, in south Florida. The following setup works great for us.
We get deep green, fast growing grass (thanks to Jerry Baker) by adding Epsom salt. I look for the cheapest fertilizer (on clearance/broken taped bags) at HD, Lowes, anywhere. Add a 2lbs of epson salt (walmart - pharmacy dept.) to half the bag. Spread with hand crank spreader (our lawn is extremely big).
Have the mower ready with a sharp blade in good running condition. That mix is like steroids, grass grows fast.
there was a nursery here where I live that had it at $29 per bag.
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Is Milorganite better then freedom.
Nothing is better than freedom.
Because of the price increase, I do one year on, one year off with Milorganite.
I’ve limited the Milorganite that I use because my phos levels are higher than the other macros. Also their parent company MMSD dumps a lot into the lakes when they can’t handle the demand so there’s that 🤨I couldn’t have said it better myself though, test your soil and apply what is actually required for your lawn!
Thanks. Do you have a source for the dumping excess claim?
Jimmy Lewis every few months a similar story like this pops up. fox6now.com/2018/08/31/mmsd-dumps-nearly-30m-gallons-of-combined-sewer-storm-water-into-lake-michigan-after-heavy-rain/
And I live 30 minutes from Milwaukee so they are local to me and I get it for $7 a bag so yeah I could go nuts with high app rates without breaking the bank if I really wanted to lol.
$7/bag is a great price. Thanks for the link.
Jimmy Lewis you should have seen my face when I saw it on sale for $5.99 a bag last spring 🤣. I only did two applications earlier on but after that I switched to lesco.