I think empathy, for me it is the most valuable, it has helped me to understand and forgive some people who has hurt me in the past. And also to help others in the best way possible.
OCEAN (or Big Five) works much better since it directly points out personality characteristics that are measurable. You could still use animals, but that's more subjective (even animals have differing personalities).
I'm so with you on "joy of creating" No matter if it's making up words or limetics, melody or a line of code, recipe or an image . I also have a successful example of a person quitting a job she was unhappy with, to start her own business after a 360° survey among her friends. Thanks for this episode
I could hear u guys talk about any subject, I mean it. Marshall is so cute and lovely and Stan is so, well, Stan, the show is my favorite company for drawing
"It doesn't pretend to be science." Outstanding, Marshall. Ancient near east wisdom (Proverbs in the Bible) has many such animal-examples, including ants and grasshoppers. BTW, _The Personality Brokers: The Strange History of Myers-Briggs and the Birth of Personality Testing_, by Merve Emre, blows that inventory out of the water. (Great audiobook, Stan!)
We had courses like this in university and they were the most interesting in all of my learning years. The basic topic was what kind of leadership type you were and which kind of teams you would need to build around you to make the best overall Team. What impressed me most that last day the person i admired most for their characteristics was one that had almost polar opposite characteristics than i, but he also told me he admired me the most. They taught us how similar but also really different people can achieve incredible results once they know how to bounce their strenghts off of each other, but most importantly how your characteristics change from situation to situation and how the group can evolve to ensure the best outcome. If you "test" your type and follow it religiously it just becomes another zodiac sign, you ultimately need to use these theories to decide what person you want to be and not take it as a set goal of who you are or what others make of you.
I wish Stan would let Marshall finish a train of thought as he explained this, it was like watching a video chat. It was still a fun episode, I'll have to take that test after I find some friends.
Here's what I got from the liking to nature were. It doesn't matter what the result of a personality test is, you can only truly know the kind of person you are by experiencing life and observing yourself in context. Personality tests are more like trying to put wind in a bottle, and they'll always be a limit to how scientific one can get with research like this.
Personality tests are a better indicator of how your values are instead of your actual personality. Most people lie to themselves and pick things that aren’t like their personality to feel better.
What Marshall said about weaknesses is why I really like the enneagram. I usually use it for making characters, but there's a part on some websites that talk about the numbers 'at its best' and 'at its worst' and it shows how every personality can be amazing and awful and I've done them enough to where whenever I see awful people, my brain just concludes they are 'at their worst' and need some help, or are having a bad day etc. Thinking about weaknesses, or the potential for a personality to have weakness and strengths depending on their health and context is super interesting.
Marshall, you have a genuinely beautiful voice and your silly lyrics are highly entertaining. Your singing before podcasts is not an excruciating indulgence.
I loves this one! Myers Briggs is fun but garbage and less fun than just creative use of metaphors as Marshall describes. Saying that, the big 5 personality test is based on much more rigorous science, probably the least fun but can be genuinely informative.
Totally agree with our inabilty to type ourselves correctly in the MBTI tests... I thought I was an INFP for years and then I went and got myself professionally typed by Objective Personality and was typed as a jumper INTJ.
Marshalls animal system is better because it is creative and require something of the person and the person considering someone else. What Marshalls personality system is doing is giving metaphor to a person as a character. The meyer-briggs system instead is a container, a shape of sorts for behavior, that a character might be added to but it tells nothing of character itself, which is why Marshall could know two people that were opposites and yet the same Meyers-briggs catagories.
What if you're NOT good out the gate or after a year of two or practice but you decide to keep with it until you get better? Because even though your technical skill is lacking, you're practically flooded with internal imagery that you're compelled to produce just because it adds pleasure or value to your experience of being human. Even if you never produce work like Jim Lee, Fechin, Travis Charest or whoever, you want to continue.
My best friends have always been books. How many times can you get your human friends to sit quietly on a shelf? My 3 favorite books are: - Bridgerton by Julia Quinn - Topgun by Dan Pederson - Great Fighter Jets of the Galaxy 1 by Tim Gibson
@@alfiemarshall545 Yeah, Marshall's patience seems almost infinite. I get the feeling that sometimes Marshall wants to impart some wisdom on Stan (and the rest of us) but Stan is still too young to accept that Marshall outranks him in so many areas; like Stan said, he has no empathy at all and presumably eats ego for breakfast. In 30 years Stan will probably have chilled down a lot and he will be much wiser in how he deals with others. I have respect for Stan as an artist and a business man but I'm in awe of how well rounded Marshall is as a human being. I wish I could be more like Marshall.
@@richirare I think what you have described is exactly why Drafstmen are so interesting. Stan is a great counterpart to Marshall and the conversations wouldn't be half as interesting if they both alligned in the way they see things. I thnik Marshall in his wisdome doesn't mind :D And Stan doesn't mean it in a bad way. I'm sure Stan has great respect for Marshall, that's why he has invited him to co-host this podcast in the first place. Overal this friendship chemistry is golden, and the master / student kinda relation is a cherry on top. If everyone were already as chill and wise as Marshall we would have nothing to learn haha
@@MrSzarobury you said exactly what I was thinking after reading the comment @mmangotea I dont really think Marshall is annoyed with Stan, he looks like he is having fun, also Marshall is sincere enough to tell Stan to stop it if he would be getting annoyed...that's what I think.
the only thing that annoys me is that Stan interrupts Marshall sometimes when he is about to say something golden, could have been the cure for cancer or something, but Stan, as much as he is flawed, he is an interesting character. that's why were still here
That Indeed advertisement at about 30:30 is kind of troubling. Does Proko not pay their employees enough for them to be able to afford a place to live? Seems like an inadvertent self-own there, all while trying to shame their employee-which is an extra bad look. Why would anybody want a job there?
Guys, Create this book's '34 qualities' concept into an actual game, if hasn't already been done. I could be easily be marketable as a great social learning game! Just a though. Jim Dasher Spectrum Graphics Seattle metro
MBTI has been really valuable for my personal development and art. If you get your type right (not likely to happen with a test unfortunately, humans are very complicated) it helps you understand yourself and others and gives you a path to develop. But it takes a lot of study to grasp the whole concept properly, so there are many misconceptions about it. Shallow interaction with MBTI is going to be simply... confusing.
Which of the 34 qualities do you think is the most valuable? - www.gallup.com/cliftonstrengths/en/253715/34-cliftonstrengths-themes.aspx
I think empathy, for me it is the most valuable, it has helped me to understand and forgive some people who has hurt me in the past. And also to help others in the best way possible.
Positivity
'Developer' is the most valuable to me. Seeing possibilities and potential in situations and individuals.
“Even if you suck at the thing you love doing, enjoying doing something will often lead to be good at it” A REMINDER
I like Marshall's fursona system.
This got me so good XD
OCEAN (or Big Five) works much better since it directly points out personality characteristics that are measurable. You could still use animals, but that's more subjective (even animals have differing personalities).
Marshall please never stop singing, I don't care what anyone says, I love your singing voice!
"I can turn empathy OFF!"
Marshall with a real Walter White moment there ;)
I literally paused what I was doing and search for a comment about Marshall saying he can turn off empathy!
For real that cracked meup so hard hahaha
i was imagening marshall with a .44 Magnum pointing down at the bad guy and saying "empathy OFF"
@@the_Googie I was imagining him pointing down at a *good* guy! ;)
Zig Ziglar: "Anything worth doing, is worth doing poorly until you learn to do it well".
I'm so with you on "joy of creating" No matter if it's making up words or limetics, melody or a line of code, recipe or an image .
I also have a successful example of a person quitting a job she was unhappy with, to start her own business after a 360° survey among her friends.
Thanks for this episode
I could hear u guys talk about any subject, I mean it. Marshall is so cute and lovely and Stan is so, well, Stan, the show is my favorite company for drawing
"It doesn't pretend to be science." Outstanding, Marshall. Ancient near east wisdom (Proverbs in the Bible) has many such animal-examples, including ants and grasshoppers. BTW, _The Personality Brokers: The Strange History of Myers-Briggs and the Birth of Personality Testing_, by Merve Emre, blows that inventory out of the water. (Great audiobook, Stan!)
We had courses like this in university and they were the most interesting in all of my learning years. The basic topic was what kind of leadership type you were and which kind of teams you would need to build around you to make the best overall Team. What impressed me most that last day the person i admired most for their characteristics was one that had almost polar opposite characteristics than i, but he also told me he admired me the most. They taught us how similar but also really different people can achieve incredible results once they know how to bounce their strenghts off of each other, but most importantly how your characteristics change from situation to situation and how the group can evolve to ensure the best outcome. If you "test" your type and follow it religiously it just becomes another zodiac sign, you ultimately need to use these theories to decide what person you want to be and not take it as a set goal of who you are or what others make of you.
Marshall's smile at 39:11 would fit perfectly with cat ears
It's been a while since ive listened to draftsman. I forgot how refreshing it is to listen to you guys!!
I wish Stan would let Marshall finish a train of thought as he explained this, it was like watching a video chat. It was still a fun episode, I'll have to take that test after I find some friends.
Oh, Marshall, but we love your singing before the podcast. Please continue "putting us through it".:))
After watching this calling my boyfriend 'a silly goose' suddenly feels way deep
The most valuable quality is to sing like Marshall.
Here's what I got from the liking to nature were. It doesn't matter what the result of a personality test is, you can only truly know the kind of person you are by experiencing life and observing yourself in context. Personality tests are more like trying to put wind in a bottle, and they'll always be a limit to how scientific one can get with research like this.
Personality tests are a better indicator of how your values are instead of your actual personality. Most people lie to themselves and pick things that aren’t like their personality to feel better.
What Marshall said about weaknesses is why I really like the enneagram. I usually use it for making characters, but there's a part on some websites that talk about the numbers 'at its best' and 'at its worst' and it shows how every personality can be amazing and awful and I've done them enough to where whenever I see awful people, my brain just concludes they are 'at their worst' and need some help, or are having a bad day etc.
Thinking about weaknesses, or the potential for a personality to have weakness and strengths depending on their health and context is super interesting.
I love this podcast...... I can't say this enough
Marshall, you have a genuinely beautiful voice and your silly lyrics are highly entertaining. Your singing before podcasts is not an excruciating indulgence.
Damn ya'll got me with that WHAT IS IT part LMAO
listening to your podcast while drawing .. i like it
Very instructive! Nice "Faith No More" cameo by the way :D
I was already enjoying it, then that put it over the top.
I loves this one! Myers Briggs is fun but garbage and less fun than just creative use of metaphors as Marshall describes. Saying that, the big 5 personality test is based on much more rigorous science, probably the least fun but can be genuinely informative.
omg I loved the Faith No More cameo!
Totally agree with our inabilty to type ourselves correctly in the MBTI tests... I thought I was an INFP for years and then I went and got myself professionally typed by Objective Personality and was typed as a jumper INTJ.
Marshalls animal system is better because it is creative and require something of the person and the person considering someone else. What Marshalls personality system is doing is giving metaphor to a person as a character. The meyer-briggs system instead is a container, a shape of sorts for behavior, that a character might be added to but it tells nothing of character itself, which is why Marshall could know two people that were opposites and yet the same Meyers-briggs catagories.
Thank you editors for the musical references XD
A sentence comes to my mind : You're good in sucked at things.
I would love to see you guys talk to Brian MacDonald from Belief Agency about art and stories
Nice comeback from Marshall 17:39
What if you're NOT good out the gate or after a year of two or practice but you decide to keep with it until you get better? Because even though your technical skill is lacking, you're practically flooded with internal imagery that you're compelled to produce just because it adds pleasure or value to your experience of being human. Even if you never produce work like Jim Lee, Fechin, Travis Charest or whoever, you want to continue.
You guys need to try the Big Five temperament testing. It’s highly useful.
18:58 FNM! Awesome to throw that in there. You made my day :)
It seems like Marshall is not aware. But now there is the testing system of the big five which is the best test there is for general psychometry
You should ad a garbage truck running by in the background into the intro animation.
My best friends have always been books. How many times can you get your human friends to sit quietly on a shelf?
My 3 favorite books are:
- Bridgerton by Julia Quinn
- Topgun by Dan Pederson
- Great Fighter Jets of the Galaxy 1 by Tim Gibson
Tell me what can I do to attain even one of your sketchbooks
Cuts were a little awkward. Great podcast.
You know who likes to maximize?
Dragonflies ;)
"I'll trade you one of mine for ome of yours" honestly gave me such a good laugh holy shit
Whats that massive blue book "Technical Drawing" behind Marshall?
Proko uses BetterHelp to ask his therapist why he isn't better after all these years
anyone else get tired of Stan's condescending tone towards Marshall sometimes?
i'm fully aware that he's just joking around and that they're friends, but it must get really annoying for marshall (and it's hard to watch too lol)
@@alfiemarshall545 Yeah, Marshall's patience seems almost infinite. I get the feeling that sometimes Marshall wants to impart some wisdom on Stan (and the rest of us) but Stan is still too young to accept that Marshall outranks him in so many areas; like Stan said, he has no empathy at all and presumably eats ego for breakfast. In 30 years Stan will probably have chilled down a lot and he will be much wiser in how he deals with others. I have respect for Stan as an artist and a business man but I'm in awe of how well rounded Marshall is as a human being. I wish I could be more like Marshall.
@@richirare I think what you have described is exactly why Drafstmen are so interesting. Stan is a great counterpart to Marshall and the conversations wouldn't be half as interesting if they both alligned in the way they see things. I thnik Marshall in his wisdome doesn't mind :D And Stan doesn't mean it in a bad way. I'm sure Stan has great respect for Marshall, that's why he has invited him to co-host this podcast in the first place. Overal this friendship chemistry is golden, and the master / student kinda relation is a cherry on top. If everyone were already as chill and wise as Marshall we would have nothing to learn haha
@@MrSzarobury you said exactly what I was thinking after reading the comment
@mmangotea I dont really think Marshall is annoyed with Stan, he looks like he is having fun, also Marshall is sincere enough to tell Stan to stop it if he would be getting annoyed...that's what I think.
the only thing that annoys me is that Stan interrupts Marshall sometimes when he is about to say something golden, could have been the cure for cancer or something, but Stan, as much as he is flawed, he is an interesting character. that's why were still here
"Find stregths through loves" sound like a White Snake song 🤔
Is this a jojo reference???
You cannot violate the so called 80/20 rule. It is actually called a Pareto Distribution. It is a law if the universe. It is inviolable.
Is being loud a helpful strength? I think that's what I'm good at
Proko got BTFO by James Gurney when they went painting
That Indeed advertisement at about 30:30 is kind of troubling. Does Proko not pay their employees enough for them to be able to afford a place to live? Seems like an inadvertent self-own there, all while trying to shame their employee-which is an extra bad look. Why would anybody want a job there?
Meanwhile, Stan is apparently working an hour a week?
THE RRR METHOD??!?! Guys, I think that actually stands for Rise, Roar, Revolt
the cognitive functions are more important than the four letters
keirsey's temperaments are ultimately arbitrary
agreed
agreed
"Fail better!"
Guys,
Create this book's '34 qualities' concept into an actual game, if hasn't already been done.
I could be easily be marketable as a great social learning game!
Just a though.
Jim Dasher
Spectrum Graphics
Seattle metro
Using metaphors involves other brain regions than just analytical adjectives.
MBTI has been really valuable for my personal development and art. If you get your type right (not likely to happen with a test unfortunately, humans are very complicated) it helps you understand yourself and others and gives you a path to develop. But it takes a lot of study to grasp the whole concept properly, so there are many misconceptions about it. Shallow interaction with MBTI is going to be simply... confusing.
When are you guys gonna sit together, face to face, or maybe switching recording angles like .....hate to say it but like the Joe Rogan podcast?
Props to the editor BTW
I sware i had this episode at 1.25 speed.... Turns out Stan actually was able to talk fast enough 😂😂😂
I need subtitle English please
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I thought the grandma in the thumbnail gonna join the podcast
Find your strengths, they say. Math isn't theirs.
THERE is a better system than meyers briggs! It called the big 5 psychological traits
I didn't learn a damn thing.
so many commercials, my strength is turning off content with too many commercials. The whole show is already a Proko commercial, please!
This is free and valuable information and I see so many people complaining about ads. Sounds like some whiney shit to me.
Proko has no strengths
Again with the myers brigs pseudoscience stuff.