Grew up in Maywood. My dad was a state police.14th and Maywood drive. 2 blocks from Doc. Garfield/East. Played in his yard when he was with the Hawks. When they played the Bulls, he would come and visit. Coaching us. It's a special place like no other. A proud village. No recruiting. Home grown tallent producing many successful people. 💜💙
Russell was never the focal point of the offense, meanwhile Kareem, Jordan, and Lebron were. Russell was great defensively, but lacked a polished offensive game.
HOW CAN LEBRON HAVE A BETTER CARRIER, PLAYING FOR 21 YEARS WITH 3 GIVEN RINGS AND A FAKE MICKEY MOUSE TROPHY WITH MULTIPLE SUPERSTARS HELP.... HIS STATS IS ONLY BECAUSE OF HIS LONGEVITY, NOT BECAUSE HE'S THAT GREAT.
Maywood is the most slept-on and renowned basketball mecca in the history of American basketball. It's a small village about 10 miles outside of the Westaide of Chicago but has produced NBA talent like currently Jevon Carter, HOF'er Mike Finley, Lakers Champion Shannon Brown, his brother Sterling Brown, Dee Brown, Steve Hunter, Donnie Boyce and of course, NBA head coach Doc Rivers, and is home of the the legendary highschool Proviso East. Somebody really needs to do a 30 for 30 on Maywood, my family knows Doc. Let me know how I can get in contact with him...
Chi town basketball is second to none….look at all the pro players…..many bigs…..duke boys, etc……chi town players…you know they are coming with their hard hats on….tough
@@mike1225917 So many excuses for him. We making none for MJ Better career and accomplished more in a short amount of time. 22 season and 4 rings. Why are you still playing? Take your mill to billion and your 4 rings, Longevity plaque and S.A.O.D. Award and retire. (Standing Around On Defense)
Doc is literally the only person that has broken down the goat debate this well. Jordan gave 110% every night and he kept that tempo for his whole career. That in itself is insanity. So when idiots say he had to take breaks. He did not load manage ever. When you talk of not cheating the fans MJ is the prime example
remember every year he played with an all star he got a ring and the years he didn't win he was the only all star.when he won it was years scottie was all star.lebron had several all stars when he won. also he never had more than one all star.dont forget scotties ppg is only 14p. also grant came with scottie and bj next year so his team came from college not NBA trades.
you all never mention that bill only had 8 teams in his last year there were 12 teams. jordan came there was 24 teams and kept adding so he played against many more teams so had to be better to be the best. bills career cant compare so those rings are not the same value. so put this in perspective when we talk about goat.
I hate when people say LeBron has a better career than Jordan.. how? Jordan beats LeBron in overall stats, every major analytical metric, and has more accolades and awards. Like, Jordan has more championships, more MVPs, more FMVPs, more all defensive teams, DPOY, more stat leader titles, etc. The only thing LeBron has on Jordan is total career numbers. So someone explain to me how LeBron has a better career, *without mentioning total career numbers* , cause that's about the only thing LeBron has on Jordan.
I think we should stop asking who the best player is in a team sport. No matter who you're talking about they had help. It takes five players at a time to play the game and one player does not score every point! So if you score 50 and your final score was 110 your teammates scored those other 60 points! So being the best player or having the most talent means nothing if you don't have a team around you to make you successful...We need to start asking who's the best teammate! Who do others want to play with. Who creates a winning atmosphere! Who is unselfish and puts the team ahead of himself...I'm sorry but if you only think of yourself and how many points you score ()Gilbert) I don't want you on my team! Do they make their team better! Are they a winner? I hear all this talk about how great this or that guy were but they never won! Or came close to winning! I'd rather be a role player on a championship team then a star watching the finals from home every year! Barkley bus driver crap! Who's career would you rather have...serious question...Barkley or Draymond....really....I know Barkley had the better stats and most would say he's the better player basketball skills wise but Draymond contributes to winning basketball...Barkley a beast...1 MVP. All Star. Great rebounder! He made one final and lost....Draymond....1 DPOY 4 championships with 6 trips to the finals....I know I'm one of one but give me Draymond's career in a heartbeat....so I ask again what difference does it make who's the best player in a team game?
I'm glad you said that doc when Pippen fans praise Pippen the Jordan fanboys get offended and they throw shade at the great Scottie Pippen it's like they are not sure about Jordan greatness
Most self-proclaimed Pippen fans aren't genuine fans of him. They just use him as a shield to antagonize Michael Jordan. If they could praise Pippen without taking shots at MJ, everything would be fine. But that would require you guys to be actual fans-and we know you're not. So...
Actually I'm so sure about Jordan's greatness I'm constantly in awe of how the Bulls accomplished not one but two threepeats with Pippen as the 2nd on the team. Pippen was great, but especially in the first threepeat he was very raw, and the team was far from stacked, and there's no way they should've won 3 straight. Jordan was unbelievable.
Is it better to be LOVED or FEARED because fear lasts longer than love… The FEAR factor is lost in the generational translation; in life and in sports; today, very little of a FEAR factor exists in professional sports. Another generational abnormally is the always popular argument, of who is the G.O.A.T, with each generation picking their own champion. If the selection is between MJ and LeBron, in the most important categories MJ wins; mentally, fundamentally, physically, statistically and was as feared as Mike Tyson, during his time. What always seems to amaze me is all the other generational champions that get left out of the conversation. At the top of the list is Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell, followed by Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan, and many, many others. A suggestion would be to focus on each decade and/or generational player(s) vs. naming a G.O.A.T: NBA- Best by Decade: George Mikan - Late 1940s and 1950s. Bill Russell/Wilt Chamberlain - 1960s Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - 1970s Magic Johnson - 1980s Michael Jordan - 1990s Tim Duncan/Kobe Bryant- 2000s LeBron James - 2010s Giannis Antetokounmpo - 2020s so far
I don't like how the younger generation don't challenge Doc Rivers about the GOAT topic because it's not a landslide like most former basketball players think because i damn sure have LeBron over Mj , i think older players are just bias as fuck when it comes to Jordan.
Challenge him for what???? Lebron hasn't done anything in his entire 21 year career better than M.J period and that's a fact NOT MY OPINION. Lebron does win the longevity contest which doesn't mean shit especially if he's not the best player in the league let alone the world HE literally has lead the league in scoring 1 time his entire career. As a matter of fact THE LITERAL MEANING OF GOAT IS GREATEST OF ALL TIME AND HE HASNT EVEN BEEN THE GREATEST IN THE LEAGUE FOR DAMN NEAR HIS ENTIRE CAREER. MJ hold the most league records in history of the sport he's ranked number 1 So plz tell me HOW IN TF DO U EVEN MAKE IT MAKE SENSE IN YOUR MIND BRO?
Lebron is better than MJ. Jordan is the GOAT of brand marketing and shoe sales. Wilt, Kareem, Bird, Hakeem, Duncan, Magic, SHaq, Oscar, Russel are all in the GOAT conversation
@@eddieespinosa2880 Bird swept MJ 2X in the 1st round. LOL MJ fans got brainwashed into thinking it was better to lose in the first round or miss the play-offs than to lose in the finals. Brah, it's better to make it to the finals
@Moses44476ers so by your theory, winning 2nd place 6 times is better than winning 1st SIX times 😆 🤣. Jordan went 6/6 and 6 finals MVP'S in 13 years! Bum is in year 21 with 4 😆 🤣 😂 Jordan was the best player on the court EVERY FINALS, Bum was outplayed by Duncan, Dirk, KD 2x. Wasn't even the best player in EVERY Finals appearance! Bron will forever be chasing the LEGEND that is MJ.
@@eddieespinosa2880 First of all, winning games and championships is a team accomplishment. Basketball is a team sport, not like tennis or boxing where you can be a ring counter and not be considered low IQ. Losing in the finals is better than losing in the 1st round. We know that MJ fans don't understand this. We also know that MJ fans hate Lebron for being better than MJ. If U want to talk championships, we can point out that MJ never beat a great team for a ring. He lost vs Bird every time they played in the play-offs. Every game! Head to head should mean a lot. I guess you have Bird >MJ. Lebron beat many great teams for championships. MJ beat weak expansion 90's teams. When MJ faced the great teams of the 80's, he was swept... lol. MJ was a great player and is a solid top 10 player. He is just not as good as Lebron
@@Moses44476ers lol, another Bron fan that can't answer my question 😂 How can you be the GOAT if you weren't the best player on the court 🤔Cuz you can't! Basketball is a Team sport but there is always an Alpha and MJ was ALWAYS the Alpha in every Finals. No one EVER outplayed him. Talking about sweeps, have you seen what the Nuggets do to Bron 😆 just embarrassing lol! He lost to the Celtics when he had no team or supporting cast. Every young star struggles but not every young star shines like MJ did. Jordan beat HOF players bro! He didn't play not one expansion team in the finals! Learn your history kid. Defense was nasty back in the day, the physical play was crazy! Bron is good but GOAT, not even close. Only room for one at that seat and it will forever be MJ. Even the majority of NBA players and coaches still pick MJ over ANYONE!
@@loumedicnobody even wear lebrons why even bring that up 😂😂 & you must’ve forgot top 75 intros who got the standing ovation in Cleveland sound to me like Cleveland fans got more love & respect for MJ then the dude that’s from there & played there 1 chip in 11 years over 1000 trades each season & still lost . MJ can’t say that 🤡😂
@@2rawww4tvkd MJ didn’t need 1000 trades if you have Pre-Lebron at the SF position and greatest rebounder to have ever lived at the 4. I heard the ovation. The NBA learned that from Vince McMahon and how he perfectly pipe in cheer noise 😂 😂
@@loumedic yea you clearly don’t know shii about basketball or just tryna troll bc the non sense you saying is bs MJ is the goat you talking about 2 players that couldn’t lead a team to shit as #1 options all lebron ever won with was #1 options from other teams MJ stood on business & made his team great lebron couldn’t do that
Doc is literally the only person that has broken down the goat debate this well. Jordan gave 110% every night and he kept that tempo for his whole career. That in itself is insanity. So when idiots say he had to take breaks. He did not load manage ever. When you talk of not cheating the fans MJ is the prime example
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I could listen to old NBA players tell stories all day
MJ is the GOAT
Much love to Doc and Maywood! GreT conversation!
Well said Doc 💯👊🏾✌🏾
Grew up in Maywood. My dad was a state police.14th and Maywood drive. 2 blocks from Doc. Garfield/East. Played in his yard when he was with the Hawks. When they played the Bulls, he would come and visit. Coaching us. It's a special place like no other. A proud village. No recruiting. Home grown tallent producing many successful people. 💜💙
Lebron is good but 6 loses in the biggest stage with superteam remove him from the goat conversation automatically the goat has to be a winner
True. MJ 23 number means 2- 3peat Championship= 6 rings
@@JoseIrizarry-k7g Bill Russell is dead
You gotta just love Doc.
Glad to hear Kareem's name, but I'm always disappointed Bill Russell isn't mentioned in these conversations.
Russell was never the focal point of the offense, meanwhile Kareem, Jordan, and Lebron were. Russell was great defensively, but lacked a polished offensive game.
HOW CAN LEBRON HAVE A BETTER CARRIER, PLAYING FOR 21 YEARS WITH 3 GIVEN RINGS AND A FAKE MICKEY MOUSE TROPHY WITH MULTIPLE SUPERSTARS HELP.... HIS STATS IS ONLY BECAUSE OF HIS LONGEVITY, NOT BECAUSE HE'S THAT GREAT.
You sound stupid
Maywood is the most slept-on and renowned basketball mecca in the history of American basketball. It's a small village about 10 miles outside of the Westaide of Chicago but has produced NBA talent like currently Jevon Carter, HOF'er Mike Finley, Lakers Champion Shannon Brown, his brother Sterling Brown, Dee Brown, Steve Hunter, Donnie Boyce and of course, NBA head coach Doc Rivers, and is home of the the legendary highschool Proviso East. Somebody really needs to do a 30 for 30 on Maywood, my family knows Doc. Let me know how I can get in contact with him...
What are you talking about, no one made it to the league from Maywood, you’re probably old anyway, where is Maywood
Thanks for admitting that I'm right you're not a bad guy after all and you may know a little bit about basketball 🏀🏀🏀
1st NBA Defensive Team (9x), Scoring Title (10X), MVP (5X), FMVP (6X) - The only player that did it (4x), DPOY (1X) - in 15 seasons VS
Chi town basketball is second to none….look at all the pro players…..many bigs…..duke boys, etc……chi town players…you know they are coming with their hard hats on….tough
Doc isnt playing around, listen to him. MJ is the best player to ever exist, its just the truth.
Jordan had a better career than Lebron. WAY more trophies of all sorts.
And no finals meltdown like LBJ
@@mike1225917 So many excuses for him. We making none for MJ Better career and accomplished more in a short amount of time. 22 season and 4 rings. Why are you still playing? Take your mill to billion and your 4 rings, Longevity plaque and S.A.O.D. Award and retire. (Standing Around On Defense)
M23J ❤️ CHICAGO’S LEGENDARY GOAT
LeBron was young too, like Kobe, KG, Jermaine O’Neal etc.
MJ is just an alpha-male in competitiveness .. his mental fortitude to win a game at all cost every second every minute
is unparalleled.
Jordan is the GOAT
Doc is literally the only person that has broken down the goat debate this well. Jordan gave 110% every night and he kept that tempo for his whole career. That in itself is insanity. So when idiots say he had to take breaks. He did not load manage ever. When you talk of not cheating the fans MJ is the prime example
I love how Doc Rivers shut that cop out bullshit down right quick. "Nah its MJ"😂😂. And he's right too
The today’s NBA is because of MJ. Think about the NBA before MJ.
He had a better team.
remember every year he played with an all star he got a ring and the years he didn't win he was the only all star.when he won it was years scottie was all star.lebron had several all stars when he won. also he never had more than one all star.dont forget scotties ppg is only 14p. also grant came with scottie and bj next year so his team came from college not NBA trades.
you all never mention that bill only had 8 teams in his last year there were 12 teams. jordan came there was 24 teams and kept adding so he played against many more teams so had to be better to be the best. bills career cant compare so those rings are not the same value. so put this in perspective when we talk about goat.
"Nation Time" was the call to nationalism from Jesse Jackson.
I hate when people say LeBron has a better career than Jordan.. how? Jordan beats LeBron in overall stats, every major analytical metric, and has more accolades and awards. Like, Jordan has more championships, more MVPs, more FMVPs, more all defensive teams, DPOY, more stat leader titles, etc.
The only thing LeBron has on Jordan is total career numbers. So someone explain to me how LeBron has a better career, *without mentioning total career numbers* , cause that's about the only thing LeBron has on Jordan.
Larry-the GOAT
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I think we should stop asking who the best player is in a team sport. No matter who you're talking about they had help. It takes five players at a time to play the game and one player does not score every point! So if you score 50 and your final score was 110 your teammates scored those other 60 points! So being the best player or having the most talent means nothing if you don't have a team around you to make you successful...We need to start asking who's the best teammate! Who do others want to play with. Who creates a winning atmosphere! Who is unselfish and puts the team ahead of himself...I'm sorry but if you only think of yourself and how many points you score ()Gilbert) I don't want you on my team! Do they make their team better! Are they a winner? I hear all this talk about how great this or that guy were but they never won! Or came close to winning! I'd rather be a role player on a championship team then a star watching the finals from home every year!
Barkley bus driver crap! Who's career would you rather have...serious question...Barkley or Draymond....really....I know Barkley had the better stats and most would say he's the better player basketball skills wise but Draymond contributes to winning basketball...Barkley a beast...1 MVP. All Star. Great rebounder! He made one final and lost....Draymond....1 DPOY 4 championships with 6 trips to the finals....I know I'm one of one but give me Draymond's career in a heartbeat....so I ask again what difference does it make who's the best player in a team game?
I'm glad you said that doc when Pippen fans praise Pippen the Jordan fanboys get offended and they throw shade at the great Scottie Pippen it's like they are not sure about Jordan greatness
Most self-proclaimed Pippen fans aren't genuine fans of him. They just use him as a shield to antagonize Michael Jordan. If they could praise Pippen without taking shots at MJ, everything would be fine. But that would require you guys to be actual fans-and we know you're not. So...
Actually I'm so sure about Jordan's greatness I'm constantly in awe of how the Bulls accomplished not one but two threepeats with Pippen as the 2nd on the team. Pippen was great, but especially in the first threepeat he was very raw, and the team was far from stacked, and there's no way they should've won 3 straight. Jordan was unbelievable.
@SmilingDolphins-ye4zm your boyfriend bron is not the goat not even top 5.
Why you discuss the Goat?
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Is it better to be LOVED or FEARED because fear lasts longer than love…
The FEAR factor is lost in the generational translation; in life and in sports; today, very little of a FEAR factor exists in professional sports.
Another generational abnormally is the always popular argument, of who is the G.O.A.T, with each generation picking their own champion.
If the selection is between MJ and LeBron, in the most important categories MJ wins; mentally, fundamentally, physically, statistically and was as feared as Mike Tyson, during his time.
What always seems to amaze me is all the other generational champions that get left out of the conversation.
At the top of the list is Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell, followed by Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan, and many, many others.
A suggestion would be to focus on each decade and/or generational player(s) vs. naming a G.O.A.T:
NBA- Best by Decade:
George Mikan - Late 1940s and 1950s.
Bill Russell/Wilt Chamberlain - 1960s
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - 1970s
Magic Johnson - 1980s
Michael Jordan - 1990s
Tim Duncan/Kobe Bryant- 2000s
LeBron James - 2010s
Giannis Antetokounmpo - 2020s so far
Jokic for the 2020s so far
Curry whipped on LeBron tim Duncan did and so did Dirk… ole false media narratives
What in LeBron's career has game never evolved he's a terrible player he's not even the top 50 so I wish people would just quit talking about him
How dare she, Doc? That is not a teacher.
There's one player that sticks out in every generation. There's know one overall player that can just be the best.
I'm not a LeBron guy or fan give me Pippen and I'll beat both of them fanboy no Pippen no rings for Mike Jordan
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I don't like how the younger generation don't challenge Doc Rivers about the GOAT topic because it's not a landslide like most former basketball players think because i damn sure have LeBron over Mj , i think older players are just bias as fuck when it comes to Jordan.
well you are wrong, Mj is the GOAT isnt even close
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Bro it's not even close, did you even get to see MJ play? or are you saying that just from what you have seen on RUclips?
Challenge him for what???? Lebron hasn't done anything in his entire 21 year career better than M.J period and that's a fact NOT MY OPINION. Lebron does win the longevity contest which doesn't mean shit especially if he's not the best player in the league let alone the world HE literally has lead the league in scoring 1 time his entire career.
As a matter of fact THE LITERAL MEANING OF GOAT IS GREATEST OF ALL TIME AND HE HASNT EVEN BEEN THE GREATEST IN THE LEAGUE FOR DAMN NEAR HIS ENTIRE CAREER.
MJ hold the most league records in history of the sport he's ranked number 1
So plz tell me HOW IN TF DO U EVEN MAKE IT MAKE SENSE IN YOUR MIND BRO?
The facts prove no Pippen no rings fanboy before Pippen Jordan never got out of the first round
@SmilingDolphins-ye4zm your boyfriend bron is not the goat not even top 5.
Thanks for taking the mask off just like I said. 😂
People keep failing to look at the whole picture and only point out the stats they want. There’s no goat lmao.
Lebron is better than MJ. Jordan is the GOAT of brand marketing and shoe sales. Wilt, Kareem, Bird, Hakeem, Duncan, Magic, SHaq, Oscar, Russel are all in the GOAT conversation
And then you wake up from a dream 😢 knowing that will never be true😂
Goats don't lose in the finals.
@@eddieespinosa2880 Bird swept MJ 2X in the 1st round. LOL
MJ fans got brainwashed into thinking it was better to lose in the first round or miss the play-offs than to lose in the finals. Brah, it's better to make it to the finals
@Moses44476ers so by your theory, winning 2nd place 6 times is better than winning 1st SIX times 😆 🤣. Jordan went 6/6 and 6 finals MVP'S in 13 years! Bum is in year 21 with 4 😆 🤣 😂 Jordan was the best player on the court EVERY FINALS, Bum was outplayed by Duncan, Dirk, KD 2x. Wasn't even the best player in EVERY Finals appearance! Bron will forever be chasing the LEGEND that is MJ.
@@eddieespinosa2880 First of all, winning games and championships is a team accomplishment. Basketball is a team sport, not like tennis or boxing where you can be a ring counter and not be considered low IQ. Losing in the finals is better than losing in the 1st round. We know that MJ fans don't understand this. We also know that MJ fans hate Lebron for being better than MJ. If U want to talk championships, we can point out
that MJ never beat a great team for a ring. He lost vs Bird every time they played in the play-offs. Every game! Head to head should mean a lot. I guess you have Bird >MJ. Lebron beat many great teams for championships. MJ beat weak expansion 90's teams. When MJ faced the great teams of the 80's, he was swept... lol. MJ was a great player and is a solid top 10 player. He is just not as good as Lebron
@@Moses44476ers lol, another Bron fan that can't answer my question 😂 How can you be the GOAT if you weren't the best player on the court 🤔Cuz you can't! Basketball is a Team sport but there is always an Alpha and MJ was ALWAYS the Alpha in every Finals. No one EVER outplayed him. Talking about sweeps, have you seen what the Nuggets do to Bron 😆 just embarrassing lol!
He lost to the Celtics when he had no team or supporting cast. Every young star struggles but not every young star shines like MJ did. Jordan beat HOF players bro! He didn't play not one expansion team in the finals! Learn your history kid.
Defense was nasty back in the day, the physical play was crazy! Bron is good but GOAT, not even close. Only room for one at that seat and it will forever be MJ. Even the majority of NBA players and coaches still pick MJ over ANYONE!
Lebron would’ve been a HOF if he didn’t get better from his rookie season. Glenn is cap. Lebron is the GOAT and its not even close.
Your right it’s not close bc it’s not a real debate😂 MJ clearly the greatest player to touch the nba
@@2rawww4tvkd Naw you more right than I am. MJ is the GOAT shoe salesman only 2nd to Al Bundy in Chicago. Lebron cant say that 😂
@@loumedicnobody even wear lebrons why even bring that up 😂😂 & you must’ve forgot top 75 intros who got the standing ovation in Cleveland sound to me like Cleveland fans got more love & respect for MJ then the dude that’s from there & played there 1 chip in 11 years over 1000 trades each season & still lost . MJ can’t say that 🤡😂
@@2rawww4tvkd MJ didn’t need 1000 trades if you have Pre-Lebron at the SF position and greatest rebounder to have ever lived at the 4. I heard the ovation. The NBA learned that from Vince McMahon and how he perfectly pipe in cheer noise 😂 😂
@@loumedic yea you clearly don’t know shii about basketball or just tryna troll bc the non sense you saying is bs MJ is the goat you talking about 2 players that couldn’t lead a team to shit as #1 options all lebron ever won with was #1 options from other teams MJ stood on business & made his team great lebron couldn’t do that
Doc is literally the only person that has broken down the goat debate this well. Jordan gave 110% every night and he kept that tempo for his whole career. That in itself is insanity. So when idiots say he had to take breaks. He did not load manage ever. When you talk of not cheating the fans MJ is the prime example
MJ is the GOAT