The 'Go Left' Conversation is such a silly convo... GO LOOK AT THE TAPE 🤣🤣🤣🤣 - Layed up with his left, went left, dunked with his left, shot A free throw with his left.... 🤣🤣🤣🤣 -- The footage is out there, disproving anyone that says Jordan couldn't go left.... oh yeah, he could pass with his left as well. 1. ruclips.net/video/I0Ki-hXm_lE/видео.html 2. ruclips.net/video/pr2G8Vg5dfM/видео.html 3. ruclips.net/video/rIFKOXHHZq0/видео.html 4. ruclips.net/video/iykYXfNmXZs/видео.html 5. ruclips.net/video/IErL0fs8GxU/видео.html 6. ruclips.net/video/-qCCm0V4hvw/видео.html There's more but I won't go any further Let us please stop with this SILLY MF'N Conversation for Good 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
That’s the new narrative this current generation is trying to paint. The make a vid with a cpl of clips of him going right, left, then back right to say he couldn’t go left. 😂😂 Point is, even if he was all right they knew it and couldn’t stop him…
@@csouth89Facts! Those same Lebron fans that get in there feelings about Lebron having no big 😂. It’s 2024 and Lebron has the same bag of gimmicks since 04.
It was funny because Blue’s arguments were literally that of the LeZealots that get flamed in these comment sections on the daily. I was having second hand embarrassment for Blue like anytime he suggests there was a “meeting to decide that Jordan was the goat” 🤦🏾♂️ and doesn’t realize how he’s only helping MJ’s case in the long run. LeDeception and his LeMedia flunkies got these guys scrambled in the head! 😆😆🤣🤣🤣
"None of those teams won!" That's the argument. These people are too dumb to realize they didn't win, because the Bulls kept them from winning. This is called being a victim of your own success.
The real crime is most people skip Kobe. People should make Kobe vs LeBron comparisons. Last 10 seconds, that pass would go to Kobe any day over LeBron.
Anybody old enough to have witnessed both Jordan and Lebron's careers, watching their games live and all the playoff games know the deal. As great as Lebron is, he never been on Mike's level. Jordan was a different breed.
Exactly, not even close to the arsenal MJ had, LeBron lowers his shoulder and gets to the rim, Jordan had a complete game including defense and the killer instinct. Not even close!!
Kenny made several valid points. First, when Michael Jordan came to the league, he predicted he would lead the Bulls to several championships. He took his lumps in the beginning, stuck it out and persevered. Second, he didn’t team hop. When Jordan got drafted in 1984, the Bulls hadn’t made the playoffs for 6 of 7 seasons. Jordan led the Bulls to the playoffs his first season and every season after that with NO ALL STAR PLAYERS until Scottie Pippen made the All Star Team in 1990. Third, Jordan Never Lost In The Finals! Never Went To A Game 7 and from 1991 - 1998, he only lost one playoff series. Furthermore, for eight years, from November 7, 1990 until his final shot on June 14, 1998, the Bulls never lost 3 games in a row with Michael Jordan on the team. He holds the NBA record with 626 games played without 3 consecutive losses. What makes this feat even more impressive is that his closest competitor (Steph Curry) trails him by 312 games. That’s Straight Up Goat Sh** Right There!!!
Lumps they were trash and yes I am 51 so I saw it. He never won without Phil, Pippen, and great def rebounder like Grant and Rodman. He Beat no one but Jazz, Suns, and an Old Laker team no Kareem Lakers. He Played 15 years and won 6 championships. Bill Russell is 11 out of 12 how is he the GOAT He is not he best in any statistic.
@@elwoodbarclay1041 You could apply that theory to every player that ever played. Larry Bird never won without Kevin McHale or Robert Parish. Magic Johnson never won without Kareem, Jamal Wilkes or James Worthy. Your lack of knowledge and understanding on how the game of basketball works is astounding. Michael Jordan beat more 60 win teams (7-2) in the playoffs than Kobe Bryant and Lebron James combined. In fact, in 1998 when Jordan’s Bulls beat the (62-20) Utah Jazz for his second 3PEAT, the Jazz had just SWEPT the (61-21) Los Angeles Lakers (4-0), a team that had Kobe Bryant, Robert Horry, Shaquille O’Neal, Eddie Jones, Nick Van Exel, Rick Fox and Derek Fisher!!! Jordan also swept a stacked (60-22) Orlando Magic team in the ECF in 1996. That team had Penny Hardaway, Shaquille O’Neal, Nick Anderson, Horace Grant and Dennis Scott.
Dumbest debate in all of sports LeBron against 50 win teams is 20-14- MJ is 20-7 -LeBron against 60 win teams is 3-4 MJ is 7-2 -LeBron played with players who had a combined 100 all star appearances -MJ had 10 combined allstars -Nearly 200 players will be involved in trades on Lebrons teams -LeBron is 4-6 in the finals including getting swept 2x and gentleman sweep 2x -MJ is 6-0 -Lebron is the only playert in the top 10 with a losing record in the finals -LeBron has 1 scoring title MJ had 10 -LeBron has 5 1st team defense MJ has 9 -LeBron has 0 DPOY MJ has 1 -LeBron has 0 3 peats MJ has 2 -LeBron has 0 steals titles MJ has 3 -LeBron has 4 MVP's MJ has 5 -LeBron has 4 finals MVP's MJ has 6 -Lebron missed the playoffs 4x MJ 2x -LeBron streak of not losing 3 in a row-128 MJ-626 -LeBron plays in the weakest defensive era in NBA history -MJ played in the toughest (hand checking, much more physical and greatest big men era in history) -LeBron is 11-31 in game tying or winning shots in the playoffs MJ is 9-18 -LeBron is 21-118 on GW shots total MJ is 28-54 -Lebron all time leader in turnovers and soon to be missed shots -LeBron shoots 38% for his CAREER beyond 3 feet from the basket, 72% from the FT line -MJ is the all time leader in ppg in both regular season and post season at 30.1 and 33.5 and considered to be one of the greatest jump shooters in history -% of 1st place votes for MVP in career Lebrob-26% MJ-36% -Seasons with scoring title and 1st team def LeBron-0 MJ-9 -Seasons with top 5 MVP Lebron-5 MJ-9, 5 wins and 4 2nd place -MJ never lost a championship game on any level -Reg season in top 10 in def win shares, plus/minus and def rating Lebron-WS-7 Plus/minus-7 Def rating-3 MJ- WS-8 Plus/minus-8 Def rating-4 -Seasons winning chip, FMVP, MVP, scoring title and 1st team defense Lebron-0 MJ-4 -Championships without multiple AS Lebron-1 MJ-6 -MJ has more 30ppg and 50% shooting seasons than Steph Curry, KD, LeBron, James Harden and Kobe combined -Lebron has cheated game by flopping and teaming up with 2 other top 10 players in their prime. -MJ made players better by his intensity in practice and demanding excellence from them and himself -Teams with 20 or less wins -Lebron 18 from 2010-2019 East-12 West-6. 14 of 18 were in Lebrons conference -MJ-19 in the 90’s East-5. 2 in 94 West-14 -5 out of 19 were in MJ’s and 2 were years he didn’t play ◾ Larry Bird: "I would never call him the best player I've ever seen if i weren't serious." ◾ Magic Johnson: "There's Michael Jordan, then the rest of us." ◾ Allen Iverson: "Mike is the GOAT, Mike will always be the GOAT." ◾ Shaquille O'Neal: "The Last Dance only solidified the argument about who is the greatest player of all time." ◾ Kevin Durant: "MJ is one of one, god level, incomparable, a pure master at this shit. I'm still watching their games to learn." ◾ Dwayne Wade: "MJ was chosen to be the Greatest of All time." ◾ Jerry West: "He is the best athlete i have seen in Basketball." ◾ Patrick Erwing: "Lebron is incredible, but he's not Michael Jordan." ◾ Vince Carter: "I have yet to give it to Michael Jordan. Kobe Bryant second." ◾ Hakeem Olajuwon: "When people start comparing Lebron to Jordan, it's not a fair comparison. Jordan was a much more superior player in a tougher league. He was very creative. That doesn't take anything away from Lebron because he's a great player, but it's not fair comparison, Jordan is simply far superior." The GOAT
Still ain’t better than Bron doing all that against boo boo niggas that can only dribble or shot couldn’t do both Bron would smash mj teams that’s a fact!
only mistake i found is Lebron 14times top5 in MVP voting(most likely from being best player on his stacked teams) other than that everything else checks out, and there is probably a novels worth more for MJ's case
These young kids genuinely do not understand how big the gap is. If the gap was a player it would be a unaimous first ballet hall of famer and a top 15 player all time
the laughter when kenny said "he went left when i was guarding him! i was like 'where the help at?' ... i remember nick anderson when he was with orlando said you would be trying to guard mj and "jordan used to just TAKE OFF..."
@@VernonDozier-x2d did you see jordans career? lebron can't touch jordans toenail so whats your pt? you clowns ALWAYS say something that boomerangs right back at you
Nobody is messing with Mike. And I hate dude. I lost a ton betting against him. I’m a Dominique Wilkins fan. I had to eventually give Mike his props. Dude was incredible 😫
Kenny Anderson was nice when he came into the league. Loved his game. Why do young ones forget about Magic? The mans got finals MVP as a rookie. The franchise player at the time Kareem was injured, Magic stepping into the centre position in the finals and got 42 pts 15 boards, as a Rookie. That’s some GOAT game right there, as a Rookie!!
This Man caught MJ in his prime 92 93. You take that MJ take away 3 second rule it would be disgusting what he’d do to the league even based off that one rule change.
Love how Mark Jackson and Unc speak about their GOAT without disrespecting other players. Lebron fans can’t ever make a case for Lebron without putting down MJ and Kobe. When you listen to MJ and Kobe talk about their GOATs, they’re always respectful of those who came before them. The Lebron fans and JJ Redick’s of the world always putting down others and it’s so disrespectful.
Exactly, MJ fans love Dr.J, Larry Bird, Magic, Kareem, Jerry West, Bill Russel, the list goes on. LBJ fans sick to their stomach when they talk about KD cause KD did exactly what their king did and succeeded 🤣
yeah they are very low class to be honest thats how you know they have NO case aside from the fact that i SAW mj if someone says wilt was better or kareem at his best ... i didnt see that ... but i DID see mjs WHOLE CAREER since then there has been NOTHING LIKE HIM
@@Vennnnnnnnnn i have told these gen z clowns on SEVERAL occasions... when mj came we all LOVED doc and george gervin--- we NEVER disrespected them but we quietly ACCEPTED that mj was BETTER point blank thats it no disrespect was necessary these gen z people get their feelings hurt when they realize lebron is partially a MEDIA HYPE program and is nowhere NEAR mj in reality
Younger crowd projecting their perception of MJ. All we ever said was he was the best to ever touch a basketball, they let their imaginations run wild with that.
@@Vennnnnnnnnnexactly! those who have not seen jordan play really have no idea who jordan was. lebron is great. but he's nowhere near jordan's greatness. watching jordan play feels like there's always another level to him. that's something lebron doesn't have.
It was brilliant marketing on Lebron's part. This narrative forged by James and Clutch Sports (with the media, of course) made it seem obvious that he was better than the other greats and should be compared only to Jordan. It isn't based in reality, of course, but people buy into it. If you take away the longevity, I don't even have Lebron ahead of Bird.
It HAS to be Jordan-LeBron. No one’s accomplished more with less, than Bron. -). Jordan’s the GOAT, who only needed a better coaching system. -). Kobe?! Overrated, playing in stacked teams and for Phil.
The way you lose is just as important as the way you win. If this generation seen the way MJ played / acted in losing games. Always giving 100% on both ends, never shifting blame to coaches and other players. Never flopping and crying to refs while getting beat up in the 80s. Even in losses competing at the highest level, NEVER giving up. They would understand why we hold MJ so high, even in his losing efforts.
Always shaking the Pusstons hands and wishing them luck in the The Finals even though they'd just gotten away with attempted murder of him. Class act all the way.
Yep! For ex: Lebron this year's playoffs: *elbows defender kcp to the ground, bricks last second, wide open game winner. Lebron: to press after game: "First off, I dont know how refs missed so many calls. D'lo got hit right in the face with 2 minutes left..."🤮🤮🤮
@@Big_Nick31 What were the Bulls doing before MJ got there? How about after? And this notion that the Cavs were not trying to build a team around Lebron is BS. He couldn't close games, and then he quit.
Exactly bro. These lbj fans are delusional. They make excuses for him but expect others to win with the bare minimum. Lbj in 2009 and 2010 had the best record in the league plus he was up on Boston 2-1 in 09 or whatever year that was where dan Gilbert accused lbj of quitting. @universityoffree
MJ was outscored only one time in a playoff series, as a rookie by Terry Cummings 29.5 to 29.3 ppg, not once by a teammate. LBJ was outscored 20 times in a playoff series by multiple teammates and opponents. Kobe was outscored by Shaq in every finals series they played together, past the age of 22 by Shaq 2001 WC1, Iverson 2001 finals, Duncan 2002 WCS, Shaq 2002 WCF, KD 2010 WC1, Nowitzki 2011 WCS. It's not close MJ is 🐐
This is one of the more incredible things we've seen!! MJ is also the only all time great to never lose a playoff series as a higher seed, favorite, or with even odds.
Playoff consistency for me is the reason why MJ is GOAT. I'm a millenial, my dad has a full season of tapes of Jordan and when I watched it, I've never seen somebody as consistent as him play. It is very rare for him to get bad games. When it came to playoff consistency nobody came close to Michael Jordan. If you look at his worst playoff performances, he only scored less than 20 six times and his lowest point total was 15. In those games, he shot below 40% only twice. Nobody came close, bar none. In 30 minutes of play during the playoffs, minimum of 80 games: Jordan 15 pts on 41.2%. Scored
I would say another defining trait of Jordan was his ability to artistically make shots, his dunks, his fade always, his lay ups, his passes, his highlight reels blow my mind. I rarely see lebron have plays like this.
The youngster says he spittin' right? Here is the facts. Lebron is behind Kobe, and Kobe behind Jordan...PERIOD! And here is WHY. --- These are 3 guys in the GOAT DEBATE. The greatest is close to perfection in dominance! Jordan is an NCAA Champion (Game winning shot), a 6x NBA champion ( Undefeated in all Finals, with no Game 7's), His last shot ever taken for the Bulls actually was the most important shot of the season, and he made it. What separates This all from LEBRON is : 1984 Jordan Dominated 2 NBA all star teams as a college player before the Olympics, then he dominated and won GOLD. In 1992 He Dominates the world again, and wins GOLD. Undefeated in World Completion. Kobe has some finals Loses, but won 5 NBA titles , and 2 Gold Medals ( Undefeated in World Play). LEBRON HAS PLENTY FINALS LOSSES, HE HAS 2004 OLYMPIC BRONZE, AND 2006 WORLD GAMES BRONZE MEDAL. HE ONLY WON OLYMPIC GOLD WHEN KOBE BRYANT JOINED AS CAPTAIN IN 2008 AND 2012. HE ALWAYS MISSED CLUTCH FREE THROWS WHEN IT WAS TIME TO MEET KOBE IN THE FINALS. JORDAN FACED MAGIC RIGHT? Clearly he(Lebron) cannot be the goat. But he is great. This is what Kenny Anderson knows.
“3 guys in the GOAT DEBATE”…, is ridiculously disrespectful to the all time greats. And I don’t agree that Kobe is in that 3 man mix, because his approach to the game, and the aesthetic mirrored Jordan so much, yet there is no rational argument for him being better. Lebron hate (or love) on social media is the substance of that claim, but it’s not legit. Jordan is the only player that checks all of the boxes if people choose to engage in the debate.
@@ericjones499 I Agree that Jordan checks all the Boxes, thats correct. However. They were debating Jordan, Lebron, and they brought up Kobe. But for the reasons I said about LeBron tallying 2 Bronze medals with his World Games career, Puts him Not Only behind Jordan , but he is behind Kobe also.
Agreed plus Michael has a NCAA championship title when he was only a freshman at the University of North Carolina. He was already a winner before he got to the NBA . Not even close nor a debate and I wish people quit comparing the two. Didn't Michael hit the last shot against Georgetown
Lebron behind Kareem and Magic as well. Had to stack the deck to even get close to their legacies by super teams. "It's also important to me to make the team I'm on now the best. I don't want to go ring-chasing, as I call it; you know, going to a team that's already pretty established and trying to win a ring with them. I want to stay with the Cavs and build a champion." - Lebron James 2006
@@rupertmcclendon4513lebron is not in the goat debate,you left out players like Kareem,who was winning championships in high school,college and the nba,he went to 10 finals like lebron but won 6,losing 4,he has more MVPs than lebron,mastered the skyhook,broke the scoring record shooting only 2s,then you have Russell with his 11 chips,MVPs,defensive accolades,there’s bird,magic,Hakeem,shaq,DR.J and many more who all have less losses than lebron,in all honesty there is no goat debate,there’s only mj as the greatest,lebron is fighting for a spot in the top 50,he nowhere near the top 20 greatest players ever
He also said that his mom doesn't know anything about basketball.... Which goes to show you that people are brainwashed to say Jordan, even if you never watched
So how about we also add in the conversation that MJ LEFT to play MLB for a WHOLE YEAR, and then came BACK TO THE NBA to WIN 3 in a ROW!!!! Who does that?!? ONLY MJ!!!! So I’m so Glad Kenny mentioned this!!! It NEEDS to be brought up more
@@willieworkman9616 There were 15 60-win teams in the 1980’s. There were 19 60 win-teams in the 1990’s. However, two of those seasons were ones in which Jordan only played a total of 17 games due to his nearly two-year long semi-retirement. It’s safe to say that had MJ played those two full seasons the Bulls would have easily won 60 games during each, putting the decade’s total of 60-win teams at 21. But wait, there’s more. The last season of the 1990’s transpired during the NBA lockout in which only 50 games were played that year. Both the Spurs and the Jazz had .740 winning percentages over the course of those 50 games so if we extrapolate from that we see that each of those two teams were on pace to win 61 games, thus putting the 1990’s total of 60 win teams at 23. 1980’s 60-win seasons: 15 1990’s 60-win seasons: 23 1980’s: 5 different teams reached the 60-win threshold (Lakers, Celtics, Sixers, Pistons, Bucks) 1990’s: 10 different teams reached the 60-win threshold (Bulls, Jazz, Lakers, Blazers, Suns, Sonics, Spurs, Heat, Magic, & Knicks) So, this fanciful notion that the 1990’s was “watered down” is factually incorrect. The 1980’s had more dynasties but the 1990’s created 35% more 60-win teams thus proving that the latter decade was _top to bottom_ the more competitive era in which to play. And providing his league with more parity is exactly what Stern et. al were attempting to do by instituting the expansion era. It worked. Sidebar: Of the fifteen different 60-win seasons of the 1980’s a whopping 12 of them were put up by either the Celtics or the Lakers. As stated above the only other teams of the decade to reach the 60-win plateau were the ‘76ers, the Bucks, and the Pistons, all of whom did it once each. Not exactly a very well-balanced talent pool, eh?
LeBron teamed up with other superstars *in their primes* to try to win easy rings. No other superstar NBA player in the history of the game ever did that. And for that reason alone, he should be excluded from any GOAT debate.
I didn't grow up watching jordan but cmon that man played all 82 games for 9 seasons, Defensive player of the year, 5 time MVP, 10 Scoring titles , 6 finals wins, two 3 peats, and never went to a game 7 in the finals. Averaged 30 points per game for his whole career. 3 steals titles its not even a debate he is the goat. If he didn't retire to play baseball he would've had 8 rings, 6 MVPs, and possibly another scoring title.
*A PRIME EXAMPLE of my last comment, displaying The GOAT Criteria, is your MOM's reaction! She DOES NOT EVEN WATCH THE GAME! But because of MJ's TRANSCENDANT REACH!!! She, like Sarah, LAUGHED!!!*
Lol every time I hear people say Kobe had Steve nash and Dwight Howard…. I just stop debating, Nash was old af, and Dwight ADMITTED he was hurt and tried playing through an injury. Then dude said Andrew Bynum like he wasn’t DRAFTED by the lakers Kobe didn’t go request the lakers to go get him…. 🤦🏽♂️
karl malone and gp were at the end of their careers also dudes think that if they WANT lebron to be better than kobe hard enough it will magically just "happen"
@@DynoGreen313 lol like I said these fanboys are delusional. Westbrook still playing, Dwight still playing, lebum recruited Carmelo, and Shaq was just chasing money. None of these players won a ring nor was there when he got drafted. Dude just a bronsexual fanboy smh
The conversation is Lebron versus Kareem or maybe Kobe. Michael is in another universe. You can’t battle Mike when you have a meltdown in the finals. Especially when your on a super team that was up against an older Kidd and one superstar in Dirk. That GOAT conversation or aspirations died in 2011.
Just ask a millennial. Millennials are able to bridge the gap between jordan, kobe, and lebron. Millennials that were born between 1981-1988 have a very unique view. Raised in the 90s, came of age in the 2000s parents around 2007.
no kobe isn't. well he ain't to me why because if his efficiency. lebron way more efficient . you'll say rings first 3 was by shaq . the other 2 ill give him. but the the guy in the hat said yall acting like kobe didn't beg to leave the lakers when they was trans he he wasn't making the playoff but they bought him those pieces. plus with mj he wasent won without pippin and the younger said lebron lost to kd stepth and klay when kyrie was injured so was Kevin love imaging if pippin was injured. jordan would have a ring.
We saw Kobe vs Lebron 1 on 1 plenty of times. And Kobe got the best of Lebron on the offensive and the defensive end, although Kobe was much smaller than Lebron. Jordan bullied Kobe most of the time when they went 1 on 1.
*"I've seen Mike! I haven't seen as much Mike as yaw!" Now, let's put this in a DIFFERENT context saw that we can HEAR the IMMATURITY: "I've seen LIFE! I haven't seen as much LIFE as yaw!" Get it now yung man?*
Here it is... The problem with this generation is... Some of these MFr's act as if we DONT HAVE EYES....🤣🤣🤣I grew up watching Dr. J, Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant and Lebron..... I was watching Lebron, when he was in High School.... Most of my age saw them all play.... Some of these young dudes have only seen one of them..... NONE OF THIS ISH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GENERATIONS..... I'm like Katt Williams.... "You do know that I can see you" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
8 points in a championship game, watch game 4 NBA finals 2010-2011. and he was guarded by a smaller Barea and Terry. did not score twice in a 4th quarter, in that finals, while playing the entire 4th. how can be that - the goat ?
I've witnessed Bird, Magic, Jordan, Kobe etc entire career & I can easily say Lebron is the most complete player in NBA history. The problem with MJ fans is that they never acknowledge his failures & the fact that P. Jackson had to teach him how to become a winner & he did the same for Kobe.
@@billbangz LeBron can't be the most complete player when he needs to assemble superteams to help give him the edge and the confidence to compete vs his competition. Jordan, Bird, and Magic, didn't need to do that.And If you truly watched those greats as you say, you'd know ALL three of them had a clutch gene late in big games that LeBron doesn't have. And it's not even close. LeBron is good tho 😀✌️
Phenomenal Show Mark, please tell Roberto 🤣😂that Spanish is not difficult but if he does not like it, he will never learn it. Gracias y saludos Mark...keep on moving with your pod cast; blessings to you and your Son and the rest of your family for that matter.🤞
It’s really hard to judge based on the eye test because I saw both of their entire careers and agree with Mark. That said, the higher LeBron‘s numbers went up the more I struggled trying to find reasons to stay with MJ until I saw this RUclips video From a guy who researched them thoroughly and did a 30 minute video comparing their shot selections and all of their analytics and all of their awards and after that video it’s just no question. if he’s gonna argue LeBron he should have to see that video first and then he could try still argue it afterward if he wants.
*The thing is Brother Jake, I don't care if HE DID! The point is your IMPACT AKA IMPORTANCE to the team and WHO you're playing against. It's why the All-Star game has MVPs! The bottom line is, MJ TRANSCENDS the game at the end of the day, LeBALCO does not.*
Bron took SCRUBS to the finals at 22!!!? And I'm 46. I watched both. MJ is the best I've seen. Kobe is NOT ON LEBRON LEVEL. Since 09'! Kill that shit. Kobe is NOT the best Laker.
@@dwayneturner9395I’m not a Kobe or Laker fan. Kobe stopped Lebron from getting more bronze medals at the Olympics. I hope you’re not saying that Lebron is the greatest Laker.
Con Queen with MJ ghost dreams and Monistat vaginal schemes of super-teams. Those of us old enough to have seen MJ know the gap between them is as wide as Michael Strahan's. MJ's athleticism was raw as clapped cheeks without jim hats. He also possessed the impeccable fundamentals taught to him by a highly-esteemed Univ. dean and he had the maniacal mental of killers in serial. I also witnessed Mark Jackson ball in person and he's one the purest point-guards to have ever stepped foot on the court. He brought havoc of Prodigy on a Mobb Deep beat. His handles were nasty as Shaq's feet. And in bunches he dropped dimes like Frank Lucas snitches.
All this MJ/Lebron talk. Honestly, Lebron is not better than Magic. Number's don't tell the story. Magic didn't play for numbers but he controlled the whole pace of the game. And if I needed a bucket in a tight situation, I would rather Magic in the post with a baby sky than counting on Lebron. But Lebron is making a great longevity case.
Let's think about this for a minute. Which basketball player would be more intimidated by the other in a one on one game? King James or His Airness? MJ is already up 5 points the second he laces up his shoes.
Jordan got swept 1st round until he got Pippen, Lebron took his team to the finals. Jordan also had to agree to let a sworn enemy D. Rodman join the Bulls because P. Jackson told him that they wouldn't get past Orlando in 96' without him. If your going to tell the story, tell the Whole Story...
@@billbangzBut the thing is while yes Pippen was on the team when Jordan got past the first round he wasn’t really the reason for it. Remember it was Pippen’s rookie season and he was a bench player averaging 10 ppg, Jordan was averaging 45 ppg. That’s like saying LeBron couldn’t make the playoffs until he got Larry Hughes. Plus when it came to Rodman the Bulls needed a pf the only available choice was Rodman, the Spurs had him and wanted to get rid of him and no other team wanted him because he was seen as a problem. That’s why they made a play for Rodman, all they did was ask Jordan if he could play with him
He said Andrew Bynum was a great player lol Bynum averaged 6 ppg in the 2009 playoffs and 8 ppg in the 2010 playoffs, that's a great player? 😅😅😅😅 Then he said he's spitting 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
*AB was a great player who failed to launch do to injuries, but that's the error of this generation. They like to give credits to people based off of POTENTIAL!* #Bronny #BenSimmons
I laughed so hard that that young dude sound so lost and confused. He actually said Pau Gasol and Bynum made a super team. That just revealed these young people have some very silly and unintelligible concepts of what is good and what isn't. It's hilarious how they try any concept to say Bron is on Jordan level. Lol
I remember the tape delayed Willis Reed game 7, yes I’m 62 years young. Around my way we liked watching the ABA more, more offense, and more exciting. Never liked the Celtics, because they always won. At this stage in my life, I don’t even debate any 🐐talk, at all. I’ve been blessed to watch a lot of basketball and great players. IMO any NBA player is great relative to the number of D1 colleges compared to NBA rosters; very tiny, small percentage. As I said earlier if you’re a player in the NBA you are great, but to be talked about years after the laces have rotted, you have to be LEGENDARY!!! That Mount Rushmore talk, that man that causes nightmares for opponents. That man that causes your kid to snicker behind your back due to the torture he put you through. I’ll close with this, #23 whose statue resides at 1901 W. Madison St. is the MOST complete basketball player I can recall watching from 1970 until present 💯.
When your own teammates are scared of you, just by the amount of winning desire you have, you feel like radioactive on a basketball court (the "glow" stuff...). There's nobody to compare Jordan to in all of sports. Not just basketball. Not a physical abilities debate. It's more of a mentality debate. That's what makes you great in your specific sport.
When he told his mom he didn't think Jordan was the goat and for her to laugh at him speaks volumes. Especially when she doesn't really watch.... It's like one of those undeniable facts. You just already know
I watched basketball over 50 years. MJ is the absolute goat, exceptional athlete, no weakness, killer instinct, most competitive athlete, biggest heart, best closer, very clutch, most fundamentally sound, most feared, defense is good as offense, most complete player i have ever seen, best winner, hardest worker.
Love Kenny & Mark, times are different! Love Michael, he stayed with one time, Lebron was allowed to pick his team. It is difficult to win playing with a set of different players and teams, he did it! Also, Jordan & Lebron come from different backgrounds, Bron being the only child, raised by his mother and the hood, makes a huge different! Michael is an introvert and Lebron is extrovert!
Jordan stayed with the Bulls team for the bulk of his career, and consistently brought it every night. usually in the highlight reels shows him scoring scoring scoring… But he is the complete package. There might’ve been an evening. He had an off night, and still was great !! If you watched the early Bulls games, Michael had a lot of assists (actually may have had some triple doubles, in his championship games against the Lakers in 91)… Great passer/court vision. Jordan was obsessed with winning… he was an assassin! That man did not choke!
Rules changes have helped Lebron and many other players of today. As far as Lebron goes, he has holes in his game that no other greatest ever candidate should still have this late in his career, especially at his respective position.
When everyone who’s watched both MJ and LBJ play and still pick Jordan as the goat, that says something. When everyone who’s played against both MJ and LBJ and still picked Jordan, that says something even more! Only the youngsters who have never watched MJ play aside for a few youtube highlight reels would pick Lebron.
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*This generation is all about what someone "TRIED" to do as opposed to what they actually DID.*
Getting to the finals 10 times is better than winning 6 times apparently
Winning 6 times is better than winning 11 times apparently
@@J972M what did he win 11 times?
@@Bilious303 Bill Russell won 11 times as the leader of his team, yet isn't talked about as the GOAT
@@Rocketman101 🎯 All of a sudden, then it's not all about rings. There's all kinds of excuses
The 'Go Left' Conversation is such a silly convo... GO LOOK AT THE TAPE 🤣🤣🤣🤣 - Layed up with his left, went left, dunked with his left, shot A free throw with his left.... 🤣🤣🤣🤣 -- The footage is out there, disproving anyone that says Jordan couldn't go left.... oh yeah, he could pass with his left as well.
1. ruclips.net/video/I0Ki-hXm_lE/видео.html
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3. ruclips.net/video/rIFKOXHHZq0/видео.html
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5. ruclips.net/video/IErL0fs8GxU/видео.html
6. ruclips.net/video/-qCCm0V4hvw/видео.html
There's more but I won't go any further
Let us please stop with this SILLY MF'N Conversation for Good
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That’s the new narrative this current generation is trying to paint. The make a vid with a cpl of clips of him going right, left, then back right to say he couldn’t go left. 😂😂
Point is, even if he was all right they knew it and couldn’t stop him…
@@csouth89Facts! Those same Lebron fans that get in there feelings about Lebron having no big 😂. It’s 2024 and Lebron has the same bag of gimmicks since 04.
It was funny because Blue’s arguments were literally that of the LeZealots that get flamed in these comment sections on the daily. I was having second hand embarrassment for Blue like anytime he suggests there was a “meeting to decide that Jordan was the goat” 🤦🏾♂️ and doesn’t realize how he’s only helping MJ’s case in the long run. LeDeception and his
LeMedia flunkies got these guys scrambled in the head! 😆😆🤣🤣🤣
exactly! the man could even shoot with his left. how the hell could he not dribble or dunk using the same hand?😅
Young boy in his feelings. Mike is the GOAT! LeFlop James.
Get off ya knees cuh you not getting paid
@@BodyPuncher20sMJ & Bird > LeBron
@@BodyPuncher20sbro your dinner extra salty tonight
how many times did jordan beat larry bird? it's kinda funny to always talk about jordan but never talk about the man jordan could NEVER beat
LeStupid fans.
The real crime is the disrespect Jordan's opponents get. Pistons, Knicks, Heat, Sun, Sonics, Jazz, Magic. All had FANTASTIC teams.
"None of those teams won!"
That's the argument. These people are too dumb to realize they didn't win, because the Bulls kept them from winning. This is called being a victim of your own success.
Bro I’m a young guy that grew up watching Kobe but Micheal Jordan was beating teams that were physical and winning at the same time
They were...but they lost. History is only kind to the winner.
All of those teams would have destroyed the heat teams
The real crime is most people skip Kobe. People should make Kobe vs LeBron comparisons. Last 10 seconds, that pass would go to Kobe any day over LeBron.
Anybody old enough to have witnessed both Jordan and Lebron's careers, watching their games live and all the playoff games know the deal. As great as Lebron is, he never been on Mike's level. Jordan was a different breed.
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MJ & Bird > LeBron
True...i witness both career and Jordan was a different animal...Lebron is a kid
mj's level? how many times did your high level player beat larry bird?
Exactly, not even close to the arsenal MJ had, LeBron lowers his shoulder and gets to the rim, Jordan had a complete game including defense and the killer instinct. Not even close!!
Kenny made several valid points. First, when Michael Jordan came to the league, he predicted he would lead the Bulls to several championships. He took his lumps in the beginning, stuck it out and persevered. Second, he didn’t team hop. When Jordan got drafted in 1984, the Bulls hadn’t made the playoffs for 6 of 7 seasons. Jordan led the Bulls to the playoffs his first season and every season after that with NO ALL STAR PLAYERS until Scottie Pippen made the All Star Team in 1990. Third, Jordan Never Lost In The Finals! Never Went To A Game 7 and from 1991 - 1998, he only lost one playoff series. Furthermore, for eight years, from November 7, 1990 until his final shot on June 14, 1998, the Bulls never lost 3 games in a row with Michael Jordan on the team. He holds the NBA record with 626 games played without 3 consecutive losses. What makes this feat even more impressive is that his closest competitor (Steph Curry) trails him by 312 games. That’s Straight Up Goat Sh** Right There!!!
Nicely said!
Exactly! Also, for the younger generation that didn't witness MJ in real time don't get it. You had to be there.
Lumps they were trash and yes I am 51 so I saw it. He never won without Phil, Pippen, and great def rebounder like Grant and Rodman. He Beat no one but Jazz, Suns, and an Old Laker team no Kareem Lakers. He Played 15 years and won 6 championships. Bill Russell is 11 out of 12 how is he the GOAT He is not he best in any statistic.
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You could apply that theory to every player that ever played. Larry Bird never won without Kevin McHale or Robert Parish. Magic Johnson never won without Kareem, Jamal Wilkes or James Worthy. Your lack of knowledge and understanding on how the game of basketball works is astounding. Michael Jordan beat more 60 win teams (7-2) in the playoffs than Kobe Bryant and Lebron James combined. In fact, in 1998 when Jordan’s Bulls beat the (62-20) Utah Jazz for his second 3PEAT, the Jazz had just SWEPT the (61-21) Los Angeles Lakers (4-0), a team that had Kobe Bryant, Robert Horry, Shaquille O’Neal, Eddie Jones, Nick Van Exel, Rick Fox and Derek Fisher!!! Jordan also swept a stacked (60-22) Orlando Magic team in the ECF in 1996. That team had Penny Hardaway, Shaquille O’Neal, Nick Anderson, Horace Grant and Dennis Scott.
@@user-li2ir5ss5pBINGO those Knick teams were loaded. The Cavs were loaded with Harper, Price, Doughtery, Nance and Hot Rod.
Dumbest debate in all of sports
LeBron against 50 win teams is 20-14-
MJ is 20-7
-LeBron against 60 win teams is 3-4
MJ is 7-2
-LeBron played with players who had a combined 100 all star appearances
-MJ had 10 combined allstars
-Nearly 200 players will be involved in trades on Lebrons teams
-LeBron is 4-6 in the finals including getting swept 2x and gentleman sweep 2x
-MJ is 6-0
-Lebron is the only playert in the top 10 with a losing record in the finals
-LeBron has 1 scoring title
MJ had 10
-LeBron has 5 1st team defense
MJ has 9
-LeBron has 0 DPOY
MJ has 1
-LeBron has 0 3 peats
MJ has 2
-LeBron has 0 steals titles
MJ has 3
-LeBron has 4 MVP's
MJ has 5
-LeBron has 4 finals MVP's
MJ has 6
-Lebron missed the playoffs 4x
MJ 2x
-LeBron streak of not losing 3 in a row-128
MJ-626
-LeBron plays in the weakest defensive era in NBA history
-MJ played in the toughest (hand checking, much more physical and greatest big men era in history)
-LeBron is 11-31 in game tying or winning shots in the playoffs
MJ is 9-18
-LeBron is 21-118 on GW shots total
MJ is 28-54
-Lebron all time leader in turnovers and soon to be missed shots
-LeBron shoots 38% for his CAREER beyond 3 feet from the basket, 72% from the FT line
-MJ is the all time leader in ppg in both regular season and post season at 30.1 and 33.5 and considered to be one of the greatest jump shooters in history
-% of 1st place votes for MVP in career
Lebrob-26%
MJ-36%
-Seasons with scoring title and 1st team def
LeBron-0
MJ-9
-Seasons with top 5 MVP
Lebron-5
MJ-9, 5 wins and 4 2nd place
-MJ never lost a championship game on any level
-Reg season in top 10 in def win shares, plus/minus and def rating
Lebron-WS-7
Plus/minus-7
Def rating-3
MJ- WS-8
Plus/minus-8
Def rating-4
-Seasons winning chip, FMVP, MVP, scoring title and 1st team defense
Lebron-0
MJ-4
-Championships without multiple AS
Lebron-1
MJ-6
-MJ has more 30ppg and 50% shooting seasons than Steph Curry, KD, LeBron, James Harden and Kobe combined
-Lebron has cheated game by flopping and teaming up with 2 other top 10 players in their prime.
-MJ made players better by his intensity in practice and demanding excellence from them and himself
-Teams with 20 or less wins
-Lebron 18 from 2010-2019
East-12
West-6. 14 of 18 were in Lebrons conference
-MJ-19 in the 90’s
East-5. 2 in 94
West-14
-5 out of 19 were in MJ’s and 2 were years he didn’t play
◾ Larry Bird: "I would never call him the best player I've ever seen if i weren't serious."
◾ Magic Johnson: "There's Michael Jordan, then the rest of us."
◾ Allen Iverson: "Mike is the GOAT, Mike will always be the GOAT."
◾ Shaquille O'Neal: "The Last Dance only solidified the argument about who is the greatest player of all time."
◾ Kevin Durant: "MJ is one of one, god level, incomparable, a pure master at this shit. I'm still watching their games to learn."
◾ Dwayne Wade: "MJ was chosen to be the Greatest of All time."
◾ Jerry West: "He is the best athlete i have seen in Basketball."
◾ Patrick Erwing: "Lebron is incredible, but he's not Michael Jordan."
◾ Vince Carter: "I have yet to give it to Michael Jordan. Kobe Bryant second."
◾ Hakeem Olajuwon: "When people start comparing Lebron to Jordan, it's not a fair comparison. Jordan was a much more superior player in a tougher league. He was very creative. That doesn't take anything away from Lebron because he's a great player, but it's not fair comparison, Jordan is simply far superior."
The GOAT
COMMENT OF THE DECADE!!. THANK YOU FOR SETTING THIS DEBATE STRAIGHT. FINNA COPY THIS AND USE IT EVERYWHERE
wow....Amen
Still ain’t better than Bron doing all that against boo boo niggas that can only dribble or shot couldn’t do both Bron would smash mj teams that’s a fact!
only mistake i found is Lebron 14times top5 in MVP voting(most likely from being best player on his stacked teams) other than that everything else checks out, and there is probably a novels worth more for MJ's case
Dude really did his homework mj everyday and thrice on Saturday and sunday
These young kids genuinely do not understand how big the gap is. If the gap was a player it would be a unaimous first ballet hall of famer and a top 15 player all time
the laughter when kenny said "he went left when i was guarding him! i was like 'where the help at?'
... i remember nick anderson when he was with orlando said you would be trying to guard mj and "jordan used to just TAKE OFF..."
Lebron is top15
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There is no gap
@@macewindu1515 no
Jordan went left on his iconic dunk on Patrick Ewing. I can't believe that question was asked.
No one from any era can touch TWO THREE. HE WAS SIMPLY THE BEST NIGHT AFTER NIGHT ON BOTH ENDS OF THE COURT...💯💪🏾
Every time he says Lebron's the GOAT Mark and Kenny looking at each other thinking "Awe, Po Thang."
And neither one of them could touch Lebron's toe nail😅 stop it bro they hate on the king, Jordan is a Caucasian frfr
@@VernonDozier-x2d did you see jordans career?
lebron can't touch jordans toenail so whats your pt? you clowns ALWAYS say something that boomerangs right back at you
WHO the f8ck is Kenny Anderson?
@@richardturner1063 who the f are you?
@@VernonDozier-x2d jordan is much better than lebalco
check game 4 of the 2011 finals
case closed
Nobody is messing with Mike. And I hate dude. I lost a ton betting against him. I’m a Dominique Wilkins fan. I had to eventually give Mike his props. Dude was incredible 😫
Lebron by far is better irs not close
I wasn't a MJ fan, BUT! Jordan by way far is the GOAT!
@@Creamcity414Dirk kicked his behind😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@Dre_Key Dirk swept Kobe beat kd Russ and harden on that run you ain’t know that ! Mj got his butt kicked by Nick Anderson lmaooo
@@Dre_Key Nick Anderson steals the ball from Jordan wins the game oooooooo oooooooo ahhhhhaaa
MJ all day, it ain't even close
FACTS💯
lebron is the goat cope
Not top 10.
Yep not even close
It ain’t even close
That mom phone conversation is the greatest thing I've heard all weekend.
Kenny Anderson was nice when he came into the league. Loved his game. Why do young ones forget about Magic? The mans got finals MVP as a rookie. The franchise player at the time Kareem was injured, Magic stepping into the centre position in the finals and got 42 pts 15 boards, as a Rookie. That’s some GOAT game right there, as a Rookie!!
This Man caught MJ in his prime 92 93. You take that MJ take away 3 second rule it would be disgusting what he’d do to the league even based off that one rule change.
THE MAN OVERRATED AS NONE. ALSO HE LIED KOBRICK STAYED 20 YEARS. WHEN SHAQ LEFT KOBE BLACKMAIL LAKERS
WHO the f8ck is Kenny Anderson?
@@richardturner1063 played point guard for the nets in the 90s. he was real good. ruclips.net/video/a1XmlEIWGDQ/видео.html
Love how Mark Jackson and Unc speak about their GOAT without disrespecting other players. Lebron fans can’t ever make a case for Lebron without putting down MJ and Kobe. When you listen to MJ and Kobe talk about their GOATs, they’re always respectful of those who came before them. The Lebron fans and JJ Redick’s of the world always putting down others and it’s so disrespectful.
Exactly
Big Facts
Exactly, MJ fans love Dr.J, Larry Bird, Magic, Kareem, Jerry West, Bill Russel, the list goes on. LBJ fans sick to their stomach when they talk about KD cause KD did exactly what their king did and succeeded 🤣
yeah they are very low class to be honest
thats how you know they have NO case
aside from the fact that i SAW mj
if someone says wilt was better or kareem at his best ... i didnt see that ... but i DID see mjs WHOLE CAREER
since then there has been NOTHING LIKE HIM
@@Vennnnnnnnnn i have told these gen z clowns on SEVERAL occasions... when mj came we all LOVED doc and george gervin--- we NEVER disrespected them
but we quietly ACCEPTED that mj was BETTER point blank thats it
no disrespect was necessary
these gen z people get their feelings hurt when they realize lebron is partially a MEDIA HYPE program and is nowhere NEAR mj in reality
Nobody said he didn’t make a mistake. He’s just better than everyone. Simple
Younger crowd projecting their perception of MJ. All we ever said was he was the best to ever touch a basketball, they let their imaginations run wild with that.
@@Vennnnnnnnnnexactly! those who have not seen jordan play really have no idea who jordan was. lebron is great. but he's nowhere near jordan's greatness. watching jordan play feels like there's always another level to him. that's something lebron doesn't have.
But they never bring up jordan flaws but always bring lebron flaws 😂
@@luattran6205 he didn’t have any flaws. He’s the best 2 way player ever. Did the most with the least.
exactly, like his famous commercial "I've failed over and over again in my life... that is why i succeed"
"Could MJ go left?"
"He went left on me. "
Had me ☠☠☠😂😂😂
i love the part about dudes mom laughing on the phone
that said it all for me
I still don't get why LeBron is in this conversation. The truth is Jordan wasn't fair.
It was brilliant marketing on Lebron's part. This narrative forged by James and Clutch Sports (with the media, of course) made it seem obvious that he was better than the other greats and should be compared only to Jordan. It isn't based in reality, of course, but people buy into it. If you take away the longevity, I don't even have Lebron ahead of Bird.
It HAS to be Jordan-LeBron. No one’s accomplished more with less, than Bron.
-). Jordan’s the GOAT, who only needed a better coaching system.
-). Kobe?! Overrated, playing in stacked teams and for Phil.
@@BolitaDeKetica Kobe handles LeBron all day 🤡 peep the footage, it ain't hard to tell...
@@BolitaDeKetica You mean no one has accomplished LESS with MORE than Lebron.
he would ave 40+ in todays nba AND probably ave a triple double several times like russ did
My favorite player growing up. Him and Kevin Johnson. Solid mid range, decent defender, smart and creative players
Word up, Kevin Johnson had a crossover and could dunk.
He think he’s spitting but he’s not pause 😂😂😂
Spitting Hogwash 😂😂😂
young dude said theyre disrespecting bron coz they compare him to magic 😂😂😂 but for me 1. Jordan 2. Magic 3. Bird three people who made nba global
The way you lose is just as important as the way you win. If this generation seen the way MJ played / acted in losing games. Always giving 100% on both ends, never shifting blame to coaches and other players. Never flopping and crying to refs while getting beat up in the 80s. Even in losses competing at the highest level, NEVER giving up. They would understand why we hold MJ so high, even in his losing efforts.
Always shaking the Pusstons hands and wishing them luck in the The Finals even though they'd just gotten away with attempted murder of him. Class act all the way.
Yep! For ex:
Lebron this year's playoffs: *elbows defender kcp to the ground, bricks last second, wide open game winner.
Lebron: to press after game: "First off, I dont know how refs missed so many calls. D'lo got hit right in the face with 2 minutes left..."🤮🤮🤮
Difference between chasing rings, and manufacturing rings for your franchise.#RareAir
Difference between having a competent front office and a shit one
@@Big_Nick31 Exactly💯
@@Big_Nick31man he traded Wiggins and if he would’ve stay him kyrie could’ve won earlier lol
@@Big_Nick31 What were the Bulls doing before MJ got there? How about after? And this notion that the Cavs were not trying to build a team around Lebron is BS. He couldn't close games, and then he quit.
Exactly bro. These lbj fans are delusional. They make excuses for him but expect others to win with the bare minimum. Lbj in 2009 and 2010 had the best record in the league plus he was up on Boston 2-1 in 09 or whatever year that was where dan Gilbert accused lbj of quitting. @universityoffree
MJ was outscored only one time in a playoff series, as a rookie by Terry Cummings 29.5 to 29.3 ppg, not once by a teammate. LBJ was outscored 20 times in a playoff series by multiple teammates and opponents. Kobe was outscored by Shaq in every finals series they played together, past the age of 22 by Shaq 2001 WC1, Iverson 2001 finals, Duncan 2002 WCS, Shaq 2002 WCF, KD 2010 WC1, Nowitzki 2011 WCS. It's not close MJ is 🐐
So scoring is all that matter?
Terry Cummings was baaaaadd man. Love that dude haha
This is one of the more incredible things we've seen!! MJ is also the only all time great to never lose a playoff series as a higher seed, favorite, or with even odds.
2001 WCSF vs Sacramento Kings (Lakers win 4-0)
Kobe- 35 ppg, 58.8% ts
Shaq- 33.3 ppg 58.9% ts
2001 WCF vs San Antonio Spurs (Lakers win 4-0)
Kobe- 33.3 ppg, 57.1% ts
Shaq- 27 ppg, 54.7% ts
2002 WCQF vs Portland (Lakers win 3-0)
Kobe- 26 ppg, 48.3% ts
Shaq- 25.7 ppg, 60.7% ts
2002 WCSF vs San Antonio Spurs (Lakers win 4-1)
Kobe- 26.2 ppg, 48.6% ts
Shaq- 21.4 ppg, 48.7% ts
*This was a bizzaro series, Kobe shot a higher fg% than both Shaq and Duncan, but Shaq and Duncan shot a higher ft% than Kobe
2003 WCQF vs Minnesota Timberwolves (Lakers win 4-2)
Kobe- 31.8 ppg, 52.8% ts
Shaq- 28.7 ppg, 55.2% ts
2003 WCSF vs San Antonio Spurs (Spurs win 4-2)
Kobe- 32.3 ppg, 53.3% ts
Shaq- 25.3 ppg, 59.2% ts
2004 WCQF vs Houston Rockets (Lakers win 4-1)
Kobe- 24.4 ppg, 50.7% ts
Shaq- 16.2 ppg, 47.4% ts
Shaq and Kobe agreed for it to be that way as both men took turns and let each other cook
Kenny F’n Anderson , and Mark f’n Jackson, NEW YORK point guards wowzers
Playoff consistency for me is the reason why MJ is GOAT. I'm a millenial, my dad has a full season of tapes of Jordan and when I watched it, I've never seen somebody as consistent as him play. It is very rare for him to get bad games.
When it came to playoff consistency nobody came close to Michael Jordan. If you look at his worst playoff performances, he only scored less than 20 six times and his lowest point total was 15. In those games, he shot below 40% only twice. Nobody came close, bar none.
In 30 minutes of play during the playoffs, minimum of 80 games:
Jordan 15 pts on 41.2%. Scored
it's funny your goat could never beat larry bird and lets not start about bill russell ;-)
that is in the playoffs, still it says 17-11 for bird
I would say another defining trait of Jordan was his ability to artistically make shots, his dunks, his fade always, his lay ups, his passes, his highlight reels blow my mind. I rarely see lebron have plays like this.
Jordan never lost any title game ever. Goat 🐐
No sweep. No game 7.
The youngster says he spittin' right? Here is the facts. Lebron is behind Kobe, and Kobe behind Jordan...PERIOD! And here is WHY. --- These are 3 guys in the GOAT DEBATE. The greatest is close to perfection in dominance! Jordan is an NCAA Champion (Game winning shot), a 6x NBA champion ( Undefeated in all Finals, with no Game 7's), His last shot ever taken for the Bulls actually was the most important shot of the season, and he made it. What separates This all from LEBRON is : 1984 Jordan Dominated 2 NBA all star teams as a college player before the Olympics, then he dominated and won GOLD. In 1992 He Dominates the world again, and wins GOLD. Undefeated in World Completion. Kobe has some finals Loses, but won 5 NBA titles , and 2 Gold Medals ( Undefeated in World Play). LEBRON HAS PLENTY FINALS LOSSES, HE HAS 2004 OLYMPIC BRONZE, AND 2006 WORLD GAMES BRONZE MEDAL. HE ONLY WON OLYMPIC GOLD WHEN KOBE BRYANT JOINED AS CAPTAIN IN 2008 AND 2012. HE ALWAYS MISSED CLUTCH FREE THROWS WHEN IT WAS TIME TO MEET KOBE IN THE FINALS. JORDAN FACED MAGIC RIGHT? Clearly he(Lebron) cannot be the goat. But he is great. This is what Kenny Anderson knows.
“3 guys in the GOAT DEBATE”…, is ridiculously disrespectful to the all time greats.
And I don’t agree that Kobe is in that 3 man mix, because his approach to the game, and the aesthetic mirrored Jordan so much, yet there is no rational argument for him being better. Lebron hate (or love) on social media is the substance of that claim, but it’s not legit.
Jordan is the only player that checks all of the boxes if people choose to engage in the debate.
@@ericjones499 I Agree that Jordan checks all the Boxes, thats correct. However. They were debating Jordan, Lebron, and they brought up Kobe. But for the reasons I said about LeBron tallying 2 Bronze medals with his World Games career, Puts him Not Only behind Jordan , but he is behind Kobe also.
Agreed plus Michael has a NCAA championship title when he was only a freshman at the University of North Carolina. He was already a winner before he got to the NBA . Not even close nor a debate and I wish people quit comparing the two. Didn't Michael hit the last shot against Georgetown
Lebron behind Kareem and Magic as well. Had to stack the deck to even get close to their legacies by super teams.
"It's also important to me to make the team I'm on now the best. I don't want to go ring-chasing, as I call it; you know, going to a team that's already pretty established and trying to win a ring with them. I want to stay with the Cavs and build a champion." - Lebron James 2006
@@rupertmcclendon4513lebron is not in the goat debate,you left out players like Kareem,who was winning championships in high school,college and the nba,he went to 10 finals like lebron but won 6,losing 4,he has more MVPs than lebron,mastered the skyhook,broke the scoring record shooting only 2s,then you have Russell with his 11 chips,MVPs,defensive accolades,there’s bird,magic,Hakeem,shaq,DR.J and many more who all have less losses than lebron,in all honesty there is no goat debate,there’s only mj as the greatest,lebron is fighting for a spot in the top 50,he nowhere near the top 20 greatest players ever
The debate was over when he said his mom laughs at him when he said LeBron is the goat…son its over MJ all day everyday 😂
He also said that his mom doesn't know anything about basketball.... Which goes to show you that people are brainwashed to say Jordan, even if you never watched
@@cedricgriffin4932brainwashed or because they know Jordan is the standard. It's called being transcendent.
Man, Bird, MJ, Kobe and The Dream had it all. The best players of all times !
Jordan still gets crazy respect from his peers till this day it says it all.
So how about we also add in the conversation that MJ LEFT to play MLB for a WHOLE YEAR, and then came BACK TO THE NBA to WIN 3 in a ROW!!!! Who does that?!? ONLY MJ!!!! So I’m so Glad Kenny mentioned this!!! It NEEDS to be brought up more
he played baseball 2 years but yeah
Just shows how watered down the league was
@@willieworkman9616 yeah OR
the league was watered down when lebalco won back to back in miami
same thing
@@willieworkman9616 There were 15 60-win teams in the 1980’s.
There were 19 60 win-teams in the 1990’s. However, two of those seasons were ones in which Jordan only played a total of 17 games due to his nearly two-year long semi-retirement. It’s safe to say that had MJ played those two full seasons the Bulls would have easily won 60 games during each, putting the decade’s total of 60-win teams at 21.
But wait, there’s more. The last season of the 1990’s transpired during the NBA lockout in which only 50 games were played that year. Both the Spurs and the Jazz had .740 winning percentages over the course of those 50 games so if we extrapolate from that we see that each of those two teams were on pace to win 61 games, thus putting the 1990’s total of 60 win teams at 23.
1980’s 60-win seasons: 15
1990’s 60-win seasons: 23
1980’s: 5 different teams reached the 60-win threshold (Lakers, Celtics, Sixers, Pistons, Bucks)
1990’s: 10 different teams reached the 60-win threshold (Bulls, Jazz, Lakers, Blazers, Suns, Sonics, Spurs, Heat, Magic, & Knicks)
So, this fanciful notion that the 1990’s was “watered down” is factually incorrect. The 1980’s had more dynasties but the 1990’s created 35% more 60-win teams thus proving that the latter decade was _top to bottom_ the more competitive era in which to play. And providing his league with more parity is exactly what Stern et. al were attempting to do by instituting the expansion era. It worked.
Sidebar: Of the fifteen different 60-win seasons of the 1980’s a whopping 12 of them were put up by either the Celtics or the Lakers. As stated above the only other teams of the decade to reach the 60-win plateau were the ‘76ers, the Bucks, and the Pistons, all of whom did it once each. Not exactly a very well-balanced talent pool, eh?
LeBron teamed up with other superstars *in their primes* to try to win easy rings. No other superstar NBA player
in the history of the game ever did that. And for that reason alone, he should be excluded from any GOAT debate.
Exactly
He shot free throws with his eyes close Jordan
Yea, Lebron tried it and missed 😂
And with his left hand.
Walk on water too
@@ebb1432 No but he walked on air when he went up for a dunk!
@@1bounce23456 what damn y’all do delusional
I didn't grow up watching jordan but cmon that man played all 82 games for 9 seasons, Defensive player of the year, 5 time MVP, 10 Scoring titles , 6 finals wins, two 3 peats, and never went to a game 7 in the finals. Averaged 30 points per game for his whole career. 3 steals titles its not even a debate he is the goat. If he didn't retire to play baseball he would've had 8 rings, 6 MVPs, and possibly another scoring title.
The fact that youngster seriously had to ask if mj could go left shows how much he knows and how easily influenced he is😂
to me, only those who are old enough to have seen both jordan and lebron play (80s to present) can make proper judgment as to who is better.
Bro was not spitting like he thought
Yea pack him up. They was dead serious. He giggling
GP, Malone and Nash were all way past their prime when they played with Kobe. He tried to say Bynum was a great player.
@VanceRatt lebron fans have to ignore context because if they don't they'll have to see the reality that lebron not even top 5
Spitting on the mic that’s about it
Bro lost all credibility when he said Bynum was a great player 😂
*A PRIME EXAMPLE of my last comment, displaying The GOAT Criteria, is your MOM's reaction! She DOES NOT EVEN WATCH THE GAME! But because of MJ's TRANSCENDANT REACH!!! She, like Sarah, LAUGHED!!!*
The mom asking him who? Then her laughing was the best give away. Lol lol😂😅
Kenny thank you for breaking this down. Beautiful take
The young man just doesn't know.
That's why he wearing a bucket hat thats where his brain should belong in a bucket 😂
Most epic comments from LeFans: Stockton and MJ can't go left...
😂😂😂😂😂
Absolutely doesn't know 😂😂😅
🤦🏽♂️
Spittin ignorance
Even ya moms know you off that stuff 😂… put the pipe down Delante west cousin 😂😂😂
Dirty curry lookin
Lol every time I hear people say Kobe had Steve nash and Dwight Howard…. I just stop debating, Nash was old af, and Dwight ADMITTED he was hurt and tried playing through an injury. Then dude said Andrew Bynum like he wasn’t DRAFTED by the lakers Kobe didn’t go request the lakers to go get him…. 🤦🏽♂️
karl malone and gp were at the end of their careers also
dudes think that if they WANT lebron to be better than kobe hard enough it will magically just "happen"
@@DynoGreen313 lol the biggest delusional fan base by far 🤦🏽♂️
same with Westbrook, Carmelo and Shaq, Dwight
@@chrisjowoo83 westbrook was neither old nor hurt
dwight was neither old nor hurt
@@DynoGreen313 lol like I said these fanboys are delusional. Westbrook still playing, Dwight still playing, lebum recruited Carmelo, and Shaq was just chasing money. None of these players won a ring nor was there when he got drafted. Dude just a bronsexual fanboy smh
I love Kenny Anderson ! One of my favorite players growing up.
I loved watching Kenny play. Georgia Tech baby
The conversation is Lebron versus Kareem or maybe Kobe. Michael is in another universe. You can’t battle Mike when you have a meltdown in the finals. Especially when your on a super team that was up against an older Kidd and one superstar in Dirk. That GOAT conversation or aspirations died in 2011.
Kobe aint on that level
no, even i think LeBron vs IT is not deserved
1. Michael Jordan 2. Kobe Bryant 3. Magic Johnson #Top3
Kobe shoots 41% in the Finals and has 1mvp. If that's an all time greats list, buddy ain't no #2.
@@J-Huecan he have his top 3 without you hating on Kobe… you probably mad he didn’t pick LBJ LOL
He said Lebron played against KD, Steph and Curry….yet that same guy FORGOT Lebron had KLove and KIrvin which EVENS IT OUT. 🤷♂️
No that’s doesn’t even out kyrie wasn’t there one of those appearances
Question: is there no way to watch old NBA games? You can watch an NBA game in about 25 minutes if edited properly.
Just ask a millennial.
Millennials are able to bridge the gap between jordan, kobe, and lebron.
Millennials that were born between 1981-1988 have a very unique view.
Raised in the 90s, came of age in the 2000s parents around 2007.
This millennial says MJ & Kobe top 2. LeBron ain’t in the conversation for 2.
Born in ‘86 Jordan is still the GOAT
@@Brownflashnaw Kobe ain’t over lebron sorry
no kobe isn't. well he ain't to me why because if his efficiency. lebron way more efficient . you'll say rings first 3 was by shaq . the other 2 ill give him. but the the guy in the hat said yall acting like kobe didn't beg to leave the lakers when they was trans he he wasn't making the playoff but they bought him those pieces. plus with mj he wasent won without pippin and the younger said lebron lost to kd stepth and klay when kyrie was injured so was Kevin love imaging if pippin was injured. jordan would have a ring.
We saw Kobe vs Lebron 1 on 1 plenty of times. And Kobe got the best of Lebron on the offensive and the defensive end, although Kobe was much smaller than Lebron. Jordan bullied Kobe most of the time when they went 1 on 1.
Karl Malone and Gary Payton were old Karl Malone retired right after that
Lebron teams up young stars in their prime not the same thing
Exactly 💯 I was thinking the same thing
*"I've seen Mike! I haven't seen as much Mike as yaw!" Now, let's put this in a DIFFERENT context saw that we can HEAR the IMMATURITY: "I've seen LIFE! I haven't seen as much LIFE as yaw!" Get it now yung man?*
Who got the link to the full discussion ?
It’s funny when you don’t agree with LeBron fans, they take it like it’s a personal insult to LeBron 😂
Here it is... The problem with this generation is... Some of these MFr's act as if we DONT HAVE EYES....🤣🤣🤣I grew up watching Dr. J, Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant and Lebron..... I was watching Lebron, when he was in High School.... Most of my age saw them all play.... Some of these young dudes have only seen one of them..... NONE OF THIS ISH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GENERATIONS..... I'm like Katt Williams.... "You do know that I can see you" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
His own moms laughed at him, talking bout Bron over jordan😂😂😂😂
I’m gonna keep it light 6-0 in the Finals and never went to a game 7
That's how it goes when the opposing team is trash. Eastern conference was stacked though.
@@jameshorton5395 East teams don't play in the finals against another east team, stupid!
@@YattaWright-r2p LMAO!
5:22
“We were in uniform and had no answers.” And they debating this with mere fans who never played. Props to them for keeping it respectful.
8 points in a championship game, watch game 4 NBA finals 2010-2011. and he was guarded by a smaller Barea and Terry.
did not score twice in a 4th quarter, in that finals, while playing the entire 4th.
how can be that - the goat ?
6-0 in the finals,the biggest stage ,3 peat twice ,NONE went 7 games, NEVER choke in the finals, that’s all!
1 team and 1 coach
The guy whose goat is LeBron is a young kid who didn't even see Jordan play 🙄
And the people whose goat is Mj is an old head. See how dumb that sounds ?
I've witnessed Bird, Magic, Jordan, Kobe etc entire career & I can easily say Lebron is the most complete player in NBA history. The problem with MJ fans is that they never acknowledge his failures & the fact that P. Jackson had to teach him how to become a winner & he did the same for Kobe.
@@billbangz damn an OG saying the real!
@@billbangz LeBron can't be the most complete player when he needs to assemble superteams to help give him the edge and the confidence to compete vs his competition. Jordan, Bird, and Magic, didn't need to do that.And If you truly watched those greats as you say, you'd know ALL three of them had a clutch gene late in big games that LeBron doesn't have. And it's not even close. LeBron is good tho 😀✌️
Phenomenal Show Mark, please tell Roberto 🤣😂that Spanish is not difficult but if he does not like it, he will never learn it. Gracias y saludos Mark...keep on moving with your pod cast; blessings to you and your Son and the rest of your family for that matter.🤞
It’s really hard to judge based on the eye test because I saw both of their entire careers and agree with Mark. That said, the higher LeBron‘s numbers went up the more I struggled trying to find reasons to stay with MJ until I saw this RUclips video From a guy who researched them thoroughly and did a 30 minute video comparing their shot selections and all of their analytics and all of their awards and after that video it’s just no question. if he’s gonna argue LeBron he should have to see that video first and then he could try still argue it afterward if he wants.
Karl Malone and Gary Payton was old as dirt when they came to the Lakers. Their skill set wasn't the same.
MJ didnt have hall of fame players whwn he lost to Boston ..Lebron lost with multiple hall fame teammates more than once
*The thing is Brother Jake, I don't care if HE DID! The point is your IMPACT AKA IMPORTANCE to the team and WHO you're playing against. It's why the All-Star game has MVPs! The bottom line is, MJ TRANSCENDS the game at the end of the day, LeBALCO does not.*
Bron took SCRUBS to the finals at 22!!!? And I'm 46. I watched both. MJ is the best I've seen. Kobe is NOT ON LEBRON LEVEL. Since 09'! Kill that shit. Kobe is NOT the best Laker.
@@dwayneturner9395I’m not a Kobe or Laker fan. Kobe stopped Lebron from getting more bronze medals at the Olympics. I hope you’re not saying that Lebron is the greatest Laker.
Mike only needed one other all star and started to cook
@@rolleyluktuazonin a watered-down era he had no choice
Con Queen with MJ ghost dreams and Monistat vaginal schemes of super-teams. Those of us old enough to have seen MJ know the gap between them is as wide as Michael Strahan's. MJ's athleticism was raw as clapped cheeks without jim hats. He also possessed the impeccable fundamentals taught to him by a highly-esteemed Univ. dean and he had the maniacal mental of killers in serial.
I also witnessed Mark Jackson ball in person and he's one the purest point-guards to have ever stepped foot on the court. He brought havoc of Prodigy on a Mobb Deep beat. His handles were nasty as Shaq's feet. And in bunches he dropped dimes like Frank Lucas snitches.
Bars
@@stephon4112 And not of the Klondike type like Drake when he pays someone to ghostwrite.
@@katrinachavez3533 lol
@@katrinachavez3533 I hate drake ass too lol.
Preach it Mark! MJ over LeBalco everyday and twice on Sundays!
after listening to this well done debate
i won’t engage in any more GOAT debates about Mike vs MJ
I GREW UP ON MJ…
MY GOAT ALL DAY
LeBron definitely more of Magic with a jumper and more athletic.
All this MJ/Lebron talk. Honestly, Lebron is not better than Magic. Number's don't tell the story. Magic didn't play for numbers but he controlled the whole pace of the game. And if I needed a bucket in a tight situation, I would rather Magic in the post with a baby sky than counting on Lebron. But Lebron is making a great longevity case.
Micheal > Kobe > Lesteroid ‼️ 💯
Mom laughing at bro cuz as a grown man he don’t know any better. (“Stop disrespecting Lebron”) lol it’s funny because he look like Delontay West.
*I thought Curry, but... I can see it.*
@@Anti-IsraeliteDefamationLeagueI think he favor curry a lil more I see it
4:22 4:33 yeah because we actually watch basketball you just look at stats and watch ESPN clips
Let's think about this for a minute. Which basketball player would be more intimidated by the other in a one on one game? King James or His Airness? MJ is already up 5 points the second he laces up his shoes.
LeBron James had to leave one team to stack another team to win. MJ team went from horrible to champions
Give credit to the Bulls and Lakers organizations for building around Kobe & Mike.
Yeah after he got pippen. All facts no bs.
Front offices matter....
Jordan got swept 1st round until he got Pippen, Lebron took his team to the finals. Jordan also had to agree to let a sworn enemy D. Rodman join the Bulls because P. Jackson told him that they wouldn't get past Orlando in 96' without him. If your going to tell the story, tell the Whole Story...
@@billbangzBut the thing is while yes Pippen was on the team when Jordan got past the first round he wasn’t really the reason for it. Remember it was Pippen’s rookie season and he was a bench player averaging 10 ppg, Jordan was averaging 45 ppg. That’s like saying LeBron couldn’t make the playoffs until he got Larry Hughes.
Plus when it came to Rodman the Bulls needed a pf the only available choice was Rodman, the Spurs had him and wanted to get rid of him and no other team wanted him because he was seen as a problem. That’s why they made a play for Rodman, all they did was ask Jordan if he could play with him
He said Andrew Bynum was a great player lol Bynum averaged 6 ppg in the 2009 playoffs and 8 ppg in the 2010 playoffs, that's a great player? 😅😅😅😅 Then he said he's spitting 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
*AB was a great player who failed to launch do to injuries, but that's the error of this generation. They like to give credits to people based off of POTENTIAL!* #Bronny #BenSimmons
Lebron should have beat the Warriors in 2017. Nothing but excuses
I laughed so hard that that young dude sound so lost and confused. He actually said Pau Gasol and Bynum made a super team. That just revealed these young people have some very silly and unintelligible concepts of what is good and what isn't. It's hilarious how they try any concept to say Bron is on Jordan level. Lol
I remember the tape delayed Willis Reed game 7, yes I’m 62 years young. Around my way we liked watching the ABA more, more offense, and more exciting. Never liked the Celtics, because they always won.
At this stage in my life, I don’t even debate any 🐐talk, at all. I’ve been blessed to watch a lot of basketball and great players. IMO any NBA player is great relative to the number of D1 colleges compared to NBA rosters; very tiny, small percentage.
As I said earlier if you’re a player in the NBA you are great, but to be talked about years after the laces have rotted, you have to be LEGENDARY!!! That Mount Rushmore talk, that man that causes nightmares for opponents. That man that causes your kid to snicker behind your back due to the torture he put you through.
I’ll close with this, #23 whose statue resides at 1901 W. Madison St. is the MOST complete basketball player I can recall watching from 1970 until present 💯.
This dude is completely lost
A professional basketball player is lost in your expert couch opinion
You had to see Jordan play to believe it; the man was simply incredible. No one, and I mean no one is touching him, word up!!
When your own teammates are scared of you, just by the amount of winning desire you have, you feel like radioactive on a basketball court (the "glow" stuff...).
There's nobody to compare Jordan to in all of sports. Not just basketball. Not a physical abilities debate. It's more of a mentality debate. That's what makes you great in your specific sport.
Man I will cook boy in a matter of minutes 😂😂😂
When he told his mom he didn't think Jordan was the goat and for her to laugh at him speaks volumes. Especially when she doesn't really watch.... It's like one of those undeniable facts. You just already know
Mom was clutch for that 😆 🤣 😂
I watched basketball over 50 years. MJ is the absolute goat, exceptional athlete, no weakness, killer instinct, most competitive athlete, biggest heart, best closer, very clutch, most fundamentally sound, most feared, defense is good as offense, most complete player i have ever seen, best winner, hardest worker.
Tell him kenny Anderson facts. Its not closed young guy Jordan 100 facts.
Love Kenny & Mark, times are different! Love Michael, he stayed with one time, Lebron was allowed to pick his team. It is difficult to win playing with a set of different players and teams, he did it! Also, Jordan & Lebron come from different backgrounds, Bron being the only child, raised by his mother and the hood, makes a huge different! Michael is an introvert and Lebron is extrovert!
“Can he go left?” 😂✊🏼
C’mon. Even his mom laughed at him! Lol
Jordan stayed with the Bulls team for the bulk of his career, and consistently brought it every night. usually in the highlight reels shows him scoring scoring scoring… But he is the complete package. There might’ve been an evening. He had an off night, and still was great !!
If you watched the early Bulls games, Michael had a lot of assists (actually may have had some triple doubles, in his championship games against the Lakers in 91)… Great passer/court vision. Jordan was obsessed with winning… he was an assassin! That man did not choke!
Rules changes have helped Lebron and many other players of today. As far as Lebron goes, he has holes in his game that no other greatest ever candidate should still have this late in his career, especially at his respective position.
JUST LOOK AT THE GAME PLAYS PER PERSON AN DOMINATION!!!!!!
I totally agree with the Magic comparison...
When everyone who’s watched both MJ and LBJ play and still pick Jordan as the goat, that says something. When everyone who’s played against both MJ and LBJ and still picked Jordan, that says something even more! Only the youngsters who have never watched MJ play aside for a few youtube highlight reels would pick Lebron.