The Greatest Debate: Analyzing Jordan and LeBron's Careers Side by Side
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- Опубликовано: 20 окт 2023
- Was Michael Jordan the GOAT or is Lebron James the best ever? This might be an NBA First Take and the best NBA Debate you will watch today!
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Arguing with someone that called Lebron his glorious king is crazy
What a waste of time
hes just a typical bron nut taster
This is not a debate. Michael Jordan is the GOAT. It's not close, and it's not even a comparison. 🏀
The goat at what exactly?
Saying it’s not close is laughable
Mj is the goat.. anyone arguing for lebron is arguing for a great loser. Period
If i hear, “imagine if LeBron had Scottie” one more time. Last i checked D Wade is ranked much higher than Scottie all time. Kyrie was a better scorer than Scottie, AD is a better all around player than Scottie. This notion that Bron didnt have help has gotta stop
Is Kyrie and Ad better than Scottie?
Let’s not forget lebron had ray allen as a team mate!! Ray Allen was a monster!! And lebron had Kevin love! The amount of help lebron has had throughout his career is lowkey unfair lol
@@lankykniteYes.
Lebron won when he had those teammates, but there were still plenty of years he didn’t have them
@@lankyknite Not Kyrie, but AD is WAY BETTER than Scottie.. when available.
edit: Just to clarify, Kyrie's 2016 performance is better than any performance from Scottie in the playoffs, but Kyrie had too many duds in his career the last few years.
They sayin chill won cuz JRob was dead weight this debate is cooked💀
6× NBA champion (Back to Back 3-Peats)
6× NBA Finals MVP
5× NBA Most Valuable Player
14× NBA All-Star
3× NBA All-Star Game MVP
10× All-NBA First Team
1x All-NBA Second Team
NBA Defensive Player of the Year
9× NBA All-Defensive First Team
1x ROTY
10× score champ
3× steals leader
2× NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion
That's amazing wow
The NBA all time leader in turnovers and missed shots is not only NOT the GOAT but he wouldn't even be on my all time starting 5
I find it funny how everybody always says where would Jordan be without Pippen... where would Lebron be without D Wade, Chris Bosh, Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love, Anthony Davis? More help, less titles but the biggest thing on that is everybody says that like Pippen came to the Bulls an allstar and automatically made them champions. No Pippen was a nobody and averaged less than 7 pts a game. He became a hall of fame player and defender why? Because who wouldn't guarding the most dominant offensive player in the history of basketball? After guarding Jordan everyday in practice everyone else in the league is chopped meat. Jordan "made" Pippen not the other way around.
Without Pippen Mj doesnt get the rings, without the Rings Mj doesnt even get close to Kareem…. Lebrons in the debate rings on no rings
@@cp238🗣️ST 🛑 P THE N🚫NSENSE . INDIVIDUALLY , MIKE WAS MIKE BEFORE SCOTTIE ARRIVED . N🚫 SUPERSTAR 🌟 OR STAR ⭐ WINS A CHAMPI🏆NSHIP OR ( S) WITH🚫UT SOME HELP OR A LOT OF HELP . MIKE HAD SOME HELP . LeBRON HAD A LOT OF HELP . WHAT 'S LeBRON LEGACY WISE WITH🚫UT DWADE AND CHRIS BOSH . WIN THE BULLS 🐂 W🪙N THE CHAMPI 🏆 NSHIP IN THE 1990 - 91 SEASON AND IN THE 1997 - 98 SEASON , SCOTTIE WASN ' T EVEN SELECTED , AS AN ALL STAR⭐ . ONLY , MIKE WAS . WHEN SHAQ WAS ON THE ORLANDO MAGIC HE SAID , " SCOTTIE PIPPEN WASN ' T ON THE SCOUTING REPORT . " FORMER DETROIT PISTONS PLAYER▶️ BILL LAIMBEER SAID , " WE WEREN ' T WORRIED ABOUT SCOTTIE PIPPEN . " SO IF MIKE NEVER W🟢ULD ' VE HAD SCOTTIE , THAN SO IT JUST W🟢ULD ' VE BEEN SOME 👤THER PLAYER▶️ . SCOTTIE INCONSISTENT PIPPEN , C🟢ULD BE REPLACED . ST🛑P OVERRATING SCOTTIE . SCOTTIE WAS REALLY # 2 BY DEFAULT . SCOTTIE IS REALLY A # 3 OR # 4 OPTION . SCOTTIE IS TO INCONSISTENT , TO BE A # 1 OR # 2 OPTION . LeBRON ISN ' T IN THE G.🐐.A.T. , DEBATE WITH 6 LOSSES IN THE FINALS . WITH PLAYOFFS AND FINALS MELTD⬇️WNS . GOOH .>🎤 😡🗑️
How did low and marz not win this? whether or not u believe Jordan or lebron is the GOAT marz and low clearly won this debate 💀
Glazing low and Marz killed them
They glazing. Low and Marz bodied. They doin what rhey do with Lebron Lmao
Chilltown was lowkey cooking them
@@berny3056 how they debunked all his points and he didn’t really have a debunk they couldn’t rebuke and alot of their main points he agree with jusy from a debate standpoint he lost clearly
Sometimes in a debate it’s not what you say, it’s HOW you say it and Low and Marz can be very condescending, arrogant or disrespectful in the way they talk to people. I agree with them that MJ is the greatest though
“It took LeBron 3 years to do what it took Mike 7”
The problem with that is LeBron had a very weak road. His first two opponents were 41-41 (0.500) teams who were missing key players. He beat the Pistons but they didn’t have the HOF coach or DPOY Ben Wallace. And then LeBron shot what.. 35% from the field for the entire seasons when 3 of 4 games were single digit deficits? Pretty sure he even shot less than 70% from the FT line and had 5+ turnovers a game.
Put Jordan in that spot and he’s lighting them up for 35 a game shooting 45% and 90% from the FT line lol.
“The team was built around Jordan”
The team was built around LeBron too, it was just built around LeBron poorly because LeBron wasn’t Mike. Mike was surrounded by great defenders and role players. So was LeBron. That’s actually why they even had a chance in the 2007 finals is because the Cavs were the best defensive team in the playoffs that year and held the Spurs down from their regular production. The way the Spurs beat LeBron was making him shoot jump shots. You can’t do that with Mike..
“People won on Jordan’s watch”
Not as much as they did on LeBrons, and unfortunately you can’t blame Jordan for his losses when he’s averaging 35 a game on 50%+ shooting. Some of the losses in the 90s aren’t even on his watch because he wasn’t there.
“Marc robbed LeBron of DPOY”
The distance between LeBron and Marc in points was the distance between in 2-7 on the DPOY list. LeBron was not even close. 1) being an anchor is more impactful, Grizzlies were a better defensive team, Marc was a better defensive player. LeBron’s Heat would’ve been one of the worst defensive teams ever to have a DPOY player if LeBron won it.
“LeBron worked on his midrange game“
I guess compared to his young years this is true, when he was shooting like 35% from the midrange. During the Heat he shot around 42% and then dropped off again every year after besides his first year on the Lakers where shot 42% again. For some context, that is worse than Michael Jordan as a 40 year old man. His peak shooting from the midrange is equal to or worse than Jordan’s worst years from the midrange and outside of 2018 he was even worse than that in the playoffs
“Jordan game 3 needed Pippen”
No one is saying Jordan never had a bad game. He’s never had a bad series, though. Especially when it matters. The next game, game 4, Jordan put up 54 points on 60% shooting, 67% from the 3 (9 3PA), while Pippen shot 28%. Pippen was heavily inconsistent throughout practically the entirety of his career and especially in the last 3peat when Jordan had some of the worst supporting casts in NBA history (98). Jordan would’ve had 7 rings if Pippen scores more than 2 points in 1990 game 7. No one else even had double digit points besides Horace Grant (10) who shot 17% and the team shot 30% overall with Jordan shooting 50%
Lebron arguments are always what ifs and at least he got there but didn't win
The surgery was a success (makes it to 10 finals). But the patient died (won only 4 finals).
🤣🤣🤣😂!! So true!!!
Marz and Low cleared them ngl
Obvious as fuck tbh
@@MakeOutHeaven666 all the judges have Bron as the GOAT that should tell why chill won
@@Cheese_15their presence is unnecessary their just annoying ruining the video talking in the middle of the debate
Dumb arguments for Lebron. When comparing to HoF’ers, he has a terrible FG% & terrible FT%. At the end of the game, Lebron is literally the last person you want with the ball in his hands. Jordan is the GOAT
So… contrary to popular belief… Lebron has a better FG% than MJ… his free throws are Average and yet he passed MJs scoring record a thousand shots earlier… he’s also the most clutch player ever… why? Highest regular season clutch % and second most makes… 7 behind Kobe
Most buzzer beaters and highest Buzzer beater percentage by FAR in the playoffs
@@jaysandi88LeBron literally shoots 18% from the clutch in regular season
@@kamay7021 and yet he’s made the most clutch shots this season alone
Is the 2nd highest in history, has the most playoff buzzer beaters and the 2nd most game winners after Kobe in league history
Make it make sense.
Marz and LOW got robbed ngl
They got cooked
There is NO DEBATE MJ IS THE GOAT EVERYONE KNOWS THIS JUST THE BRONSEXUALS FIGHTING FOR LeQUEEN SHAMES ARE THE ONES COMING UP WITH THIS NONSENSE
This dude lying about Jordan avg 22 points against the pistons. Jordan never avg less than 29 ppg against the pistons in the playoffs.
That is what these misinformed characters do
They keep bringing up scottie pippen acting like bron didn't have Dwyane wade Bosh kyrie k love and AD on his teams
Exactly that's why I don't take nothing these clowns say serious nothing
Think on this...if you're facing the death penalty, and your team wins ....you live. Your team loses..you die . Who you bet your life on? MJ or LeBron???
Who r these guys!? Jordan the Goat..stop the madness!!
Cap
He really said Lebron never folded 😂 and LJ improving every aspect of his game year to year is a bold face lie
That man is blind bro🤣
Lol you one of those dudes that watches highlights only huh…
There has clearly been 4 different versions of Lebron…
@@jaysandi88 reading comprehension? Lebron has played 20 years and you talking about 4 versions 😂 that isn't improving year to year dipshit and his stats clearly prove that he's consistent and hasn't improved any of his biggest flaws. Lebron has no bag he's just a big body
@@jaysandi88 actually, there are 5 versions…….DoucheBag Lebron.
He imporove his TURNOVER every year..and right now,hes the most TO 5k and counting...LBJ never folded when his team is in the lead,but when his team is trailing...HE QUITTED
Marz saying mj the best scorer ever made my day cuz I feel like this narrative is dwindling even tho it’s true
Jordan actually finished 2nd in all-time scoring in just 13 seasons...everybody that surpassed Jordan to push him down to 5, they all needed 17 or more seasons to reach him
Karl Malone? Drafted 85-86
@@Basketball_Debate what about him? He played for 19 seasons...sure, he passed Jordan in 16 seasons, so technically he did it in under 17 seasons, but...that's still 3 more seasons of play.
@@Mr10before9 You're reaching
Karl Malone = 16 seasons
Kareem Abdul-Jabar = 16 seasons
Kobe Bryant = 19 seasons
LeBron James = 16 seasons
Guess I need to revise the stance, it only took them 16+ seasons, not 17+ seasons. But let's see where they all were after 13 seasons, like Jordan...
Karl Malone = 3,645 points behind Jordan
Kareem Abdul-Jabar = 3,339 points behind Jordan
Kobe Bryant = 7,607 points behind Jordan
LeBron James = 4,594 points behind Jordan
@@Mr10before9 Another hypothetical?
Baboon mentality. It never ceases to amaze me. If lebron was in the west for his first 10 years in the league, Jesus.... he would've never made the finals.
"Lebron got better as defensive player"😂😂😂 he giving up playing defense years ago....
It’s MJ and not close. With MJ all you have to duel is lean on his resume. Lebron fan have hypothetical what if,blame game, emotional narratives and excuses.
everyone in the world knows me and Low won in a landslide victory,chill gettin the no teammate tax break
Do you think the reason why this debate continues to be so decisive even though in reality its very one-sided in MJ's favor is due to the amount of hype and investment put into lebron that him being anything else then the GOAT is considered a BUST. I Feel if you took his career and put it on someone that didn't get the same amount of investment from the Media and the League that player although being great would match up way closer to Kobe Duncan Shaq Magic Bird instead of MJ = LBJ
🧢🧢🧢
No you didn't marz sorry to say lebron is the reason his teams lost multiple playoff series is disingenuous. 2011 is the only playoff he can be totally blamed for. 2010 vs boston he wasn't effiecnt.
@@B.Piercesports no i didnt what
Yall definitely were cooking they gave chill a senior tax 😂
It took Lebron 3 years just to get to the playoffs and 9 years to get his first ring. MJ made the playoffs every year with the Bulls from his rookie year. And MJ won his first ring in year 7. 😅
He lost his first 2 seasons on a terrible cavs team then didn’t miss the playoffs till 2019. He WENT to a finals before Jordan did. Jordan wasn’t even doing anything in the playoffs the losing in the first round 😂.
You give him credit to make the playoffs with a losing record 😂
@OffJuice Lebron wasnt doing anything in the playoffs but losing. Lmao. He played 21 seasons and manage 4 chips. He never had 1 3peat. THE Ultimate form of dominance for a team is consistency with winning. Lebron consistency comes of short 🤣. But that's your GOAT obviously. Comfortably behind MJ bc MJ did anything Lebron could do on thr court plus had a consistent mid range and long range 2pt jumper and better handles. It's not a comparison.
@Guccimane0713 Jordan Made the playoffs every year with the Bulls and won chips more than half of his full seasons. What are we talking about?
@@uknowwhoib9676 first 3 years 7th seed 8th seed 8th seed while partially tanking because of their record meanwhile lbj was top 4 seeds from 05-21 think about that for a second
Jordan did more in less time. I tell you one thing Jordan wouldn't had lost to Dirk with Wade and Bosh in the Finals
FACTS!! Did more in less time. Goat.
Jordan would have never let Boris Diaw clamp him in the playoffs either
Actually he would not jordan is not used to zone defense, and double teaming is different + the 3pt line is at the original spot which thats his weakness and mavs players are just gonna make him shoot the 3pt.
@@xozavi2831why would they make Jordan shoot 3s? They didn’t even make Lebron shoot 3s. He took 4.7 in that series which is about his average for the playoffs that year and actually even less 3s than before it.
Jordan has more bag. He’s got footwork, can pull up from the mid range, play in the post. He’s way more skilled, he wouldn’t of had to rely on the 3 ball in that series because he’d be able to generate shots from the midrange (which is what LeBron was forced to take back in the day because he couldn’t shoot)
@@xozavi2831 MJ Shot 54% Fg in college against unrestricted zones without a defensive 3
It's crazy that Jordan's reign was 30 years ago, almost 2 generations and he's steal considered the GOAT by most people. That's how we know Jordan is truly the GOAT.
That makes zero sense😂
@@Linker_12how does it not? Do you have comprehension deficiencies or something😂
It’s called being delusional and bias
@@Linker_12 makes perfect sense little boy
@@dadillonful that sums you up nicely trolll
One is self proclaimed and the other was given the title by his peers
Facts!!!😇 and that’s so true!
Lol it doesn't matter what you think or say. MJ leads LBJ in near all metrics. Yes LBJ is number 1 in total points and in turnovers, and LBJ is number 11 in turnover percentage. Before you argue why; look into it or you are just a fool.
"My glorious king" where did you find this guy??? 😆 🤣 😂 😹
Laughable debate . Mj clearly a better player than bron.
Nope bron is like far better it’s laughable
Why they talking about imagine if BRON had Scottie…. BRON had DWAYNE FREAKING WADE A BETTER PLAYER THAN SCOTTIE 🧐
I think you can make the argument that prime-scottie was a better player than 2012 and onwards-wade. But there's definitely no excuse for 2011
@ghsjsjsd No, you can't. Pippen wasn't as good as ya'll try to make him out to be. 91-93 is Pippen peak yrs.
Thank you Bro. The judges are idiots too
Lebron fans acting like MJ had more help than Lebron is comedy, how can you say that when you see the amount of help Lebron had 😂 they act like Scottie is a top 20 player all time
LeBron didn’t have Dwyane Wade from 05-10. Michael Jordan had the better prime seasons of Pippen
"Imagine LeBrons stats it he had Scottie Pippen" oh you mean Kevin Love? Or Chris Bosh? Or AD??
Love isn’t like scottie
Until another player does what Jordan does or better, that is: get 10 scoring titles, 9 all defensive awards, lead the league in steals 3 seasons, get 200 blocks 100 steals in a season (TWICE), lead the league in scoring in regular season, playoffs, and finals (improving performance with each series), and get a higher PER overall, and having a 6-0 record in finals......you are not in the GOAT conversation.
And to belittle his competition is to put down all time greats such as Clyde Drexler, Gary Payton, Shawn Kemp, Charles Barkely, Stockton, Malone, Isaiah Thomas, and other good teams in the eastern playoffs.
As soon as I heard ‘glorious king’ I skipped his entire segment
"My glorious king."
Dumbest debate in sports mj by 6,354 miles it's not close
8:50 Lebron choking in 2011 wasn’t a chemistry issue it was simply him choking and playing terrible.
It was partially a chemistry issue. Wade talked about this on Club Shay Shay.
@@Zion122 the Miami heat not having a consensus on the pecking order of the team has nothing to do with Lebron not being able to attack a zone and score on jj barea, old Jason Kidd, and Jason terry. Lebron played terribly and it was the biggest meltdown of a superstar in nba history. Just call it like it is you can’t run from it.
@@patrick05Morgan ["The Miami heat not having a consensus on the pecking order of the team has nothing to do with Lebron not being able to attack a zone"]
It actually does because he was torn between attacking the defense and deferring to Wade, which is why he only averaged 15 FGA. Plus, you can only attack a zone if you're surrounded by floor spacers. Miami's only perimeter threat that series was Mario Chalmers.
["score on jj barea, old Jason Kidd, and Jason terry."]
None of the players you listed guarded LeBron for any sizeable chunk of time. Marion was his primary defender. And like you mentioned earlier in the same paragraph, he wasn't guarded by a single Maverick, he was guarded by all 5 players at once.
@@Zion122... Keep that same mind frame when people talk about the slow white boys who always guarded Jordan by themselves during his tenure.
As far as that fiasco in Miami, Wade made it clear that LeBron needed the ball in his hands or else he wouldn't be as effective. So what he did was, during the off-season, Wade studied ... Jordan to learn how to better play off the ball so LeBron can control the ball more (LeBron is a weak off the ball offensive player). Wade stated this himself as well.
@@ericjordan6059 First of all, what mind frame are you referring to?
Second, what evidence do you have that LeBron is a weak off-ball player? What superstar player is better without the ball than with it? I've scoured the internet and watched several interviews in which Wade discussed what went wrong in the 2011 Finals, and not once have I heard him say he studied Jordan to learn how to play better off-ball to account for LeBron's supposed deficiency. Can you provide the source in which he says that?
Chill didnt beat Marz and LOW....
he just held his own in my opinion.. he brought up a few bad games MJ had but he had nothing to defend against lebron being garbage in playoffs due to his deficiencies
Every last one of you know the truth... Stop playing.... Stop wishing on a star, hoping and praying in regards to LeBron being the best .... MJ is Tha GOAT Period!! Who did LeBron, Kobe, Steph, .I don't have time to go on and on..... Look up to??? Why does LeBron wear the number 23? It's the way MJ made you feel when you watched him. The same way you all are amazed when you watch the Mixtape. It's a thing of beauty. I luv watching you guys reactions when you discover what my generation lived. I saw him play in person and on tv. It was an exciting time. And thanks to RUclips we get to watch it over and over. MJ......PERIODT!!!😂😂😂
What sorta dumb ass argument is this 😂😂😂 MJ looked up someone to….that makes whoever mj looked upto the goat.
These guys talking about LeBron stats if he had Scott Pippen. MJ was a dominant before he got Scott.
Dominant where ????? 1 play off win no season with over 40 wins yall deadass don't know basketball
He wasn’t he got swept back to back twice
@@xozavi2831Depends what dominance means. I’ve heard LeBron is dominant but he has 4 wins in 10 tries and 4 wins in 21 years overall. When exactly did LeBron dominate if winning the chip is what makes you dominant?
Lebron 21 years 3 rings 1 bubble ring. The GOAT: 13 years 6 RINGS with TWO THREE PEATS with the SAME TEAM. And side note: you can't find any footage of THE GOAT FLOPPING. Type in Flop in youtube and then hit space bar and Lebrons name shows up LMFAO.
Jordan played 15 years
@angelbearfilms6436 jordan played 13 full seasons. 2 seasons he was out due to him breaking his foot his 2nd year in the league and in 95 he only played the last 17 games that season.
DO YOUR HOMEWORK!
@@cd2ogz1 by that lebron has not played a season in a while because he hasn’t played all 82 games. Just because Jordan missed some games it doesn’t take away from the fact that when you look at his career stats it includes 15 seasons.
@@Jajsnsjsn Jordan played a majority of his seasons in FULL! Lebron has not! just cause you on the team roster that season doesn't mean The stats count for 82 games.
@@cd2ogz1 i know and completely agree. So Jordan played 13 seasons and lebron played 3 seasons by your logic. That is when they play for the complete season. Or Jordan has played 15 and lebron has played 21. But you can’t have 13 and 21 that means you have a double standard
1. Jordan is 3 inches shorter and 30+ lbs lighter than Lebron yet Bron's never won DPOY and only made an all defensive team 5 times while Jordan won a DPOY and made an all defensive team 9 times, all while playing less seasons
2. Players across the league in the 80s and 90s FEARED Jordan. No NBA player has ever feared Lebron except maybe DeRozan
3. Jordan prevented multiple superstars from winning rings. If mike was never born, Barkley, Stockton, Malone, Ewing and Reggie Miller may all have rings and completely different legacies today. The only thing LeBron prevented was the Pacers, Raptors and Bulls getting swept in the finals by the Spurs and Warriors
4. Jordan gets eliminated by the Pistons three straight years and finally gets over the hump by sweeping them in '91 and the start of a dynasty. LeBron gets eliminated by the Celtics twice in 3 years and gives up and runs to South Beath
5. In the entire history of the NBA there have been 5 threepeats... Jordan has 2 of em... Lebron had a chance to threepeat ONCE but instead got annihilated by Kawhi and 38 yr old Tim Duncan
6. LeBron does not get GOAT points for making the Finals 8 straight years, in other words, he does not get GOAT points because he never lost 4 games to the George/Granger Pacers, DeRozan/Lowry Raptors, Rose/Butler Bulls, Ancient Pierce/ Garnett/Rondo Celtics or Rookie Tatum/Brown Celtics
7. Jordan would of beaten Dirk in 2011, Jordan would of gotten a game or 2 on the Spurs in 2007, Jordan wouldn't have only managed one Finals win in 2014 and Jordan doesn't need to proclaim himself as the GOAT
8. LeBron scored 8 points in a fucking Finals game and was the main reason his team lost a series they were heavily favored in...
9. Paul George admitted on his podcast that playing in the East was much easier than playing in the West and in 2020, there was no Spurs, no GSW, no OKC, the Rockets were dysfunctional, my Nuggets were too young and the Lakers got to avoid playing the Clippers
10. LeBron left the East to go to the Lakers RIGHT BEFORE guys like Giannis, Tatum and Embiid started to take over, he knew his reign in what was once a weak conference wouldn't last much longer
In conclusion: Jordan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le4-6
1.It's almost as though MJ played SG and Lebron played SF.
thubms up!
Easy work 🐐
My guy Jordan was a sg he was guarded dudes his size or smaller stop the nonsense
@@dauntewilliams5878 6’6 220
Jerry Krause one of the best GMs to ever do it except when MJ left they didn't win anything
chill was 2018 bron in this video😂
Jordon, no debate. No one picking Lebron over MJ to be in their team, No one!
Lol… delusion is a symptom of being in the Jordan cult
@@jaysandi88If people really pay attention, they realize who thw goat is easily.
Everyone knows MJ is the goat
Literally universally agreed upon...
Who’s everyone?
Lmao like I always say… Jordan fans live in delusion…. It’s necessary so they don’t EVER have the thought that someone else is the GOAT
😂😂😂 y’all actually call it blasphemy when someone else is considered the GOAT cue Stephen A.
Y’all don’t see the cult signs… lol wild behaviour
@@jaysandi88 Fr
8/10 at least
Stop saying Jordan Didn’t Rebound and Assist And Scottie did… WHEN THEY AVERAGED THE SAME THING!!!! JORDAN IS THAT DUDE!!!
To boot, Jordan was a 2-guard. People also fail to bring up that rebounding comes on either side of the ball - offensive and defensive, where the former is more difficult to come by. Jordan averages more than LeBron does for their respective careers. Also, assists are more difficult to come by as a 2 than they are being a "point"/forward.
Yk who got more tripe doubles right?
Jordan led his team in defensive win shares more years than LeBron and had a better career defensive rating.
The guy with the white shirt and the shorts who supports Michael Jordan had the best argument. He pointed out that he can get LeBron‘s best, he was riddled with the deficiencies that Michael Jordan didn’t have.
What LeBron had to develop overtime, we’re shooting efficiency, but work, and post it moves, Michael Jordan had to go up more naturally, a lot earlier, and a lot easier.
The trolling on the vote at the end was hilarious, Low and Mars literally rebuttaled everything that Chill was saying and they chose chill 😂😂😂 boul got cooked and got the favoritism vote
Lol like what?
@@Ghost-rb6cw I’ll time stamp it for you when I find time but I’m sure you’ll see the counter punches if you watched it
No they did not
@@martinlutherdaiiireloaded250Yes they did, chill got cooked but they chose him either because he was alone or because they’re bron fans
@@lawisclems4303 no they didn’t … they both got cooked and kept moving the goal post
We live in a generation when yu give Lebron credit for losing but when Mj was losing to great teams in playoffs his early years is a problem
noone actually believes that brings mike down they jus say it to annoy mj meatriders when they say bron making it to 10 finals is a bad thing
@@ethan123-eu7hn 10*
@@ethan123-eu7hn going to 10 finals and losing the majority is a bad thing for most players lmao. Otherwise Jerry west would be top 10. But once again let’s change the rules jus for the failure that is lebron
@@ykg2393west the logo is top 15 with only one title. Because he gaved juggernaut in the final his all career. 10 finals plays in favor of all the payer who manage to reach taht many final. And the list is small very small.
I personally give more credit to winning it all but not all title are made equal. An upset win has more point. Always. No MJ title rival with 16. His hardest win is vs Payton and Kemp and he did not play taht good and still manage to win. You can't phantom a title where any other of the top 10 win while being bad(Bird 1 thats it)
@@bravobessa3684 idiot. I love Jerry west he ain’t top 15. Jordan lebron magic Kareem Duncan bird shaq Hakeem curry Kobe wilt bill Oscar and pick your 15th from kawhi and kd. Jerry west isn’t top 15 because he had opportunities to win a lot and lost a lot instead. You’ll understand more when you’re older lil bro
Lebron Can’t Even Shoot Free Throws
All chilltown wanted was sympathy for LeBron but he played two other top ten players and only won twice Scottie Pippen was terrible in 98 and was injured Dennis rodman acting crazy and Jordan still won the chip with no excuses and the oldest team in the NBA
My guy lost all credibility and respect when the first thing that came out of his mouth was "My glorious king" when talking about another dude. The fuq???
It’s a meme that’s gotten popular but it’s idolatry at its finest
Jordan is thee GOAT period! You Lebron fans know it also.
“My glorious King??”
Bro, you are a man talking about another man. Calling him your glorious king??
It just goes to show that these Lebron people are all emotion.
Michael Jordan.... Mike drop.
Playing for longer means nothing if you don't win,for the NBA to go global it was Jordan, he was the most complete player ever to step on the court,I am 55yrs old watched for 30yrs I have yet to see a player as complete,stats alone or how long you play mean nothing it's what you win at the end of the day,LeBron is a great player but not complete in that we know his weaknesses on the court Jordan had none,in Football Messi is the Goat because his a complete player with no weaknesses,natural talent shines if you're the Goat.
This format was cool asf. Thank y’all for constantly working so hard and being so creative
MJ
It took Pippen four years after joining the team to become the Scottie Pippen we know today. If LeBron had Pippen, Pip would have been traded to another team by LBJ.
No one cares about Jordan LeBron debate in 2023. We’ve all realized that it’s pointless.
You literally engaging on a video about Lebron vs MJ
its gonna do more numbers than most videos guaranteed
Real bball fans know that this wasn’t ever a real debate to begin with in the first place. Mj has always been way ahead of lbj
I enjoy the conversation
@@HenryDurth no it ain’t cus that b**ch don’t got no argument stop lying
2011 FINALS…. That SHII LITERALLY KILLS THAT WHOLE DAMN ARGUMENTS🗣️
It literally doesn’t….💀🤡What a delusional fan lmao
Bragging about showing up in the finals is NOT THE SAME as winning. You PLAY to WIN the CHIP. With that logic the Buffalo Bills showing up and losing the Super Bowl four times in a row are a legendary team. GOH
Kids don’t understand that pippen played with Jordan in 80’s and what was his average😂. He didn’t get good until he played more and Jordan pushed him but he still didn’t average a lot. Jordan was lead scorer all of his years and won dunk contest and defense how many years and he didn’t really have and good teammates until the 90’s. Jordan played both ends of the court. Lebron doesn’t have defense, he travels 9 out of 10 times when he gets the ball he cry’s and and invented flops. If he was so good he could get around the offense and wouldn’t have to flop. Jordan could get anywhere he wanted at anytime and threw and over anybody. Lebron chokes all the time he hasn’t ever shut anyone down and he never plays both ends of the court not even for one game. The refs and media help him maintain his status. And he has the most turnovers in the history and will have the most missed shots, so that longevity shit means nothing. When someone does what Jordan did in the same amount of years or less then u can have a discussion. It’s not even close with lebron. You can’t depend on him and he don’t even play a lot of games bc of dumb shit. He’s weak in a weak era. Jordan was winning championships in college when the best players in the world played at a young age and nobody mentions that and to shut that pippen shit down when Jordan left why didn’t pippen win. Lebron has no defense.
8 ppg😂
Thank you! I hate that narrative that jordan wouldn't be shit without pippin. Pippen averaged 8 points when he was drafted and 19 points for their championship season.
We don’t talk about Jordan’s hardships enough? The difference is that he confronted and overcame them (Celtics/Pistons/Lakers/Knicks/Jazz) instead of running away from them.
Didn’t win a a single match against Celtics
No, they got old lololol. They whipped his ass in their prime
Those side comments: “imagine how Lebron’s stats would be if he had Scottie.” 🤦
I swear LBJ had Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh, Kevin Love, Kyrie Irving, and Anthony Davis!!! The biased, and illogical thought process is uncanny.
Either TWO things would've happened :
(1) Scottie would've handled the ball more, taking away from Lebron's assist totals, AND having Lebron moving more off the ball.
(2) Scottie would've become a richer man's Larry Hughes, forced to become a spot up shooter.....
On top of that, if Scottie had come into Lebron's squad at the SAME time as MJ's - their 3rd year - he would've NEVER developed and would be a utility player.
One other question :
HOW does he go to Miami, have the most top tier talent around him, dominate the ball, yet his apg numbers stay the same or go DOWN???
This all day 👏👏
How does CHILL say Lebron never folded? Dude folded like a cheap suit in 2011.
So it was jus Lebron that folded? D Wade nd Bosh didnt fold neither? 🤔
wade didnt fold bro lmao@@KingEmm
The problem is thats 1 series and since that 1 series he has played at an all time great level in every series. 8 straight finals winning 4. If KD doesnt go to golden state and kyrie doesnt get hurt he could be at 7 right now
@@tkodak4925we don't know what would have happened if kd didn't go to worriers going off hypotheticals
And jordan folded in 89
No hoodie marz feels illegal 😂 , & This man chill-town the oldest one there but in the best shape out of everyone else 😤💪🏾.
I’m a Bron fan but “My Glory Is King” is insane
Very disrespectful passing kobe..Kobe is the 2nd best...The talk was always Jordan vs Kobe...This narrative of James being the goat started in 2018...Just because you play longer doesn't mean your the best..James is the oldest player in the NBA.James is playing for records so he can be called the GOAT and waiting for his son...Pipes is great but Jordan got it out of him in those practices Jordan would of done it with other players..
Bro that’s your opinion and I’m not going to argue you on your opinion but they were talking about Lebron vs Jordan way before 2018
It’s NARRATIVE with Lebron. It’s GAME with Jordan 🫴🏽🐐
They literally only used narrative with Jordan
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@@tkbaku3036jordan never got outplayed by jj barea in the finals or any series for that matter
@@user-gc1wj8tt2p neither did Lebron dummy
@@user-gc1wj8tt2pneither did bron, he played a big part for the mavs but to say he outplayed bron is not true
This is stupid..... Mars and Lo KILLED these two.. Horrible LeBumm takes. Horrible.
4 experts is crazy!
Experts is a stretch
Experts is crazy. They're the equivalent to a random at the barbershop🤣
@@markuscarter3289this is a stretch too lol. These guys know more than your typical barbershop guy that just says “6 rings”
Basketball experts isn’t a stretch when you consider 99% of people who watch basketball know absolutely nothing
@@jasonha4489 I've heard too many ridiculous and ignorant takes from everyone on this channel to take it seriously. Remember when they said the Nuggets would be the 6th seed?🤣 They too busy tryna get clout and clicks like ESPN and Fox.
Chill n low n Marz are experts bro all they do is watch basketball
Lebron thought he was going to win not 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 so don't tell me about continuity, please. Lebron was soft before Pat Rily turned him into a man. Big up Pat Riley
Yawn… y’all don’t really love Jordan y’all just hate Lebron.
Funny thing is Lebron fans LOVE Jordan… y’all making us have to diminish a GOAT because you can’t except Lebron is a GOAT
MJ,Kobe,Lebron forever 🫡
LOW AND MARZ COOKED CHILL. Lebron lows are so bad is nothing but excuses because they need them to keep up with a Jordan argument
They didn’t there rhetoric was terrible
Dude is delusional as double hockey sticks if he thinks Lebron Defense is even close to Jordan's defense. Dude is Labron Washed.
Jordan was defend players no where close to the skills that Lebron had to defend
@@msmith8532dude that is such a ridiculous argument. It’s wild to me how people push this false narrative about the type of players MJ played against. We’re talking about 90’s basketball. Not bball in the 50’s and 60’s..lol! There’s so many players that’s in the NBA now that were both born in the 80’s and 90’s. So we’re talking about a time that wasn’t that long ago. The fact that people have to resort to demeaning the players MJ played against in order to try to say Bron is better speaks volumes to the magnitude Jordan played. Last, I’ll never understand how anyone can watch MJ play, and then watch Bron and still think Bron is even close to MJ! It’s WILD to me!! 🤯
@@jdac22 It's not demeaning to say that players weren't as good then as they are now. It's called evolution.
@@Zion122Stop acting like modern players are leaps and bounds above past players because that’s a damn lie. It’s called a fallacy. Stop being influenced by the damn media and think for yourself; do your own research 🔬
@@Jerrell_Johnson I have done my research. It tells me the game is more accessible, there are higher financial incentives for pursuing a career in the sport, sports science is more advanced, there's an abundance of youth development programs, analytics and defensive schemes are more in-depth than ever, international talent is at its peak, and scoring, ball handling, shooting, and pace are at all-time highs.
The point about the 2 3-peats that nobody mentions is that MJ did that in just 11 FULL seasons with the Bulls. 6 out of 11 seasons he was a champion. That’s crazy!!
Lebron’s team stacking tactics every season has cheapened the accomplishment of teams going to the Finals multiple times… let alone repeating.
In Jordan’s era most players would play their entire career and never make it to play for a championship… once and yet Lebron cheats the system every year and no one bats an eye.
If you mention the 2 3-peats from MJ for 6 championships to Lebron’s 4 then his Stan’s state the fact that he went 10 times attests to Lebron’s greatness not the fact that losing 6 times proves otherwise.
Bill Russell won 11 out of 13😂😂While dealing with racism
@@lankyknite It’s a great record but it gets marginalized because there were only 8 teams in the league at that time.
Jordan and his TEAM did that. Last time I checked basketball isnt a 1v5.
@@kirbyaugustine761 what? 😂😂😂😂11 championship dont get marginalized, and certainly not because there were fewer teams. There are a comprising of games that results in one championship per season, not a multiple of championship per season smh 😂😂😂 yall jordan fans be buggin. U can't marginalized off of 1 of something 😂😂😂.
The LeBron James idolization is crazy… “my glorious king” is crazy, go find ya dad man .
Dude on his knees literally like a goofy
The Jordan team won that with ease
Cause it isn't even a debate, like lebron's not close.
There's no debate here. The REAL debate is MJ vs Kobe.
This syas it all to me. Lebron is 37% (10-27) on game tying or go ahead shots with less the 25 seconds to go in the playoffs (Jordan is 10-19, or 53%) Lebron is 0-7 (or 0%) on such shots in the finals - Jordan is 4-8 (or 50%). Additionally, Lebron is 27.5% (8-23) in final 2 minutes of a finals game that is a 1 possession game. In the final 24 seconds of the 4th quarter or overtime, LeBron James has never made a potential game-tying or go-ahead shot in a potential series clincher, when facing elimination, or in the NBA Finals. Jordan won two championships on buzzer beaters. Lebron never won a championship in any season where he hit a game winning buzzer.
That’s fair, but I think you could argue-that it has to do with MJ being a ‘Greater Shooter’ than Lebron.
Marz and Low won simply because they stood on topic about it being a player vs player debate. The second Chill and Jay Rob brought up team mate value, continuity, and head office decisions is what lost it for them immediately
Nah they lost
Nah they brought up lebron leaving Cleveland, how did lebron's team brought up team first.
Bron fans bring up everything else in these debates lmao I wasn’t surprised
Chill and his teammate sounded drunk. I hate when LeBumm fans talk about "pressure"
"The whole world was watching" so TF what?? They were watching Kobe and Mike too... And magic.. And Bird... And Isaiah. LeBumm, nobody made you tattoo "Chosen" on yourself.... Nobody made you pick 23 to enter the league... Nobody told you to destroy competition with your "Super-Team" era bs.
And Chill town claiming he played ball don't mean shit.... No one on these panels honestly. Just because you played doesn't mean you know personal... Ask Jordan as a GM
@@damonlillard3097 there was no pressure nor expectation on either Kobe nor Jordan
This dude just acted like Jordan had continuity for 7 years b4 the ring LOL. The beginning of that core started 3 years prior to the ring. When grant and pippen were rookies and Paxton 3rd year with bulls giving them that nice 7 and 3 a game. Cartwright was the year after and BJ was the next year which was the year b4 the ring.
Acting like this team was the warriors and had 4 years together then put it together lol
LOL…
Seasoned gent on the left tried to say that Jordan had a great squad around him and then used JOHN PAXSON and CLIFF LEVINGSTON as examples. 😂
They averaged 7/1/3 and 7/5/1 over the course of their careers.
Jordan forever the 🐐
Lebrons PR machine is insane the fact that this is even a debate and they made other top 10 players like Kareem irrelevant to the convo
These guys continuously discredit Jordan for having Scottie Pippen like Lebron hasn’t played with the most hall of famers in the history of the NBA.
But none of them in their prime just because they were great players don’t mean he had them at their most efficient peak
Actually it would be Kd
@@zilladakid MJ got a rookie 7ppg Scottie Pippen. MJ actually helped Pippen to be great. 4 years of 10-15ppg with horrible fg% before they won in 91.
Compare that to having a 1x NBA Champ and FMVP D.Wade 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Thing is though Jordan's teammates made even conference finals without him how many of brons teammates made the conference finals without him? Even if bron played with the most hof let's not act as IF HE DIDNT FACE THE MOST HOFS IN NBA HISTORY WAY MORE THAN JORDAN
@@zilladakidexcuse me ?
Wade
Bosh
Kyrie
Kevin love
He’s had at least 2 all stars ok each championship team.
LeBron didn’t improve at all he got worse as A jump shooter & free throw shooting
Jordan is the Goat
Jordan don’t choke on the championship
The chill glaze was OD 😂
In no way shape or form did chill win this argument, for everything he said marz and low had a better counterpoint 🤨
Chill sounds drunk. None of us care about his hype.. Or expectations. Did you do it or not? LeBron leaves every time he has to try. No Khiry, no Ray... No Dwayne.... He has one ring.
America.... The left side of the screen is wrong. Completely. The two guys on the right are who you should listen to.
Jerry Krause??
Phil Jackson?
Are you good enough... Or not?
Leave... Build a team... Leave build a team. Davis, Save me. Ray, save me, Khiry, save me...🤦🏾♂️
We failed the youth. When they can't even do simple math lebron LOST MORE AND WON LESS. and had more time to help this but he can't because he's not better. 21 years is wild. He ain't never even 3 peat ounce.
He was just getting votes for carrying j rob
We need ticket to cook chill. This old head capping. He just gave up on truth. And got deceived. In his heart he don't feel that way. He just got swayed by the media. Some old heads this has happened to. I think they got a weak Jean that made them give into the foolishness but most old heads didn't get tricked. It's mad of us out here. That panel is full of all people who thought chill won. Nobody gone talk about how weird. It was. Chill kept glossing over to many loses and failures and saying media talking points. Chill is a old head swayed.
1. These guys aren’t experts.
2. You can’t be an expert on an opinion.
3. The majority of people on online forums frothing MJ never even saw him play and just follow what they hear. 0 organic thoughts.
as someone who watched his games from RUclips and watched LeBron live.. MJ is better LeBron puts up better numbers of course cause he’s that gifted but MJ with those dominant stats he had during a 10 year span hasn’t been done by any player since.
@@lilverson1333 but that’s your opinion…
I look at more than just scoring.
@@SummerAwe996-0 vs 4-6 🤡🤡
@@WRLdPeAcE96team accomplishments 😢😢
@@WRLdPeAcE96Jordan still the goat jus find a better argument.
It's NEVER been a debate. NEVER will be....only thing lebron will be the goat of is the most Over-rated player of All time. This recent tournament title banner for the lakers was the ultimate cringe embrassment I've ever seen for a major market franchise. It's the cherry, for a history of loosing.
Y’all can’t use the “what if” with Lebron “if” KD didn’t join Golden State, but won’t use the “what if” Draymond wasn’t suspended or with the Bogut injury. My issue with the argument they used for Lebron was when you invite “what if” scenarios for Lebron. When you use the “what if” factor you must invite every “what if” scenario when someone throws it back at you. If your going to push Lebron as the GOAT, based it off longevity, and facts. I’m cool with that, and I’ll respect your opinion, even if I disagree. MJ is my GOAT, but I based it off facts about his career, same with Lebron. No “what ifs” cause I can use the argument if Jordan didn’t retire.
All goats get the blame when they team lose. But to act lik the cavaliers between 08 to 10 is trash is ridiculous frfr.
You wouldn’t say that if Lebron wasn’t on the team. The Cavs were horribly run and horribly put together. That front office actively avoided building around Lebron properly which is shown by, if nothing else, them refusing to acquire Stoudemire who was still a legitimate star. It would have rounded out that 09/10 team which was the closest they’d been to having a legitimate contending roster, and would have shown commitment to Lebron, which they obviously didn’t have
@@smbenga2 the team would’ve been built around someone else instead of lebron. Lebron teams are built for him and ONLY him once he leaves you have a bunch of pieces that don’t work and lebron has drained all the team resources making them horrible for years to come. Of course they suck but when lebron leaves 😂 his team his system see Miami didn’t let lebron drain all their resources and they didn’t fall of a cliff because they maintained resources.
@@smbenga2 yall keep saying they were a bad put together team. When I remember vividly they were preseason favorites every year to be 100 especially 08 thru 10 those guys was 60 win team. Yall didn't live and watch that shit. Moe delonte lebron jj Hickson ilgauskas were balling as a unit. Nobody can't convince me 60 win and 66 win teams were trash. Yall most likely kids who didn't grow up watching it yall going by narratives because LeBron lost. Gtfoh. I would wish like Hell my PG and SG can give me 40 any given night. Derek fisher wasn't doing no shit like tha or Sasha vujacic.
@@torreywallace1494they weren't the fav to beat the Celtics. And in 09, bron played up to par, his teammates just sucked.
@@smbenga2dude there’s worse players who fit better around Lebron. Stoudamire’s floor spacing was not enough of a strength in his game to push the needle as a great fit for Lebron.
Put MJ on any Cavs team in that weak ass lEastern conference and he's going to the Finals and at least winning one or two.
If he had Kevin love and Kyrie he's winning more than 1 Chip. Can't say the same about Lebron, he's not winning 6 championships with Pippen. Let's be real.
MJ is not winning in 07 by himself, and he not winning in 2015 by himself, 2017 or 2018 so what are you talking about.
lebum with pip? they not winning nothing. bum makes the "right" play gives it to pip..and he gon choke. ahh migraine.. ahhh
@@ansonseow well MJ did that in game 1 of 95 ecf and turned the ball over twice, Bron finds the open man or he drives in for a layup.
There is no comparison. MJ dominates any and everyone. Including LeP.E.D’s.
Kyrie carried Lebron d wade carried Lebron stop this bs
One of the dudes arguing in Lebrons favor is wearing Air Jordans, i rest my case lol
Those are nice shoes, you can't help it 🤣
However that's a stretch, I doubt it's a case for a fashion footwear vs. Basketball if so it'll help the other side, you don't want that
The Nike Air Zoom LeBron IV is #1 most sold BASKETBALL shoes (Thanks to China)
Adidas T-Mac 6 is #2 (Thanks to China....)
Air Jordan 21 #3
Converse Wade Playoff #4
Nike Zoom Kobe 1 #5