Asking Over 30 NBA Players Who PLAYED Against LeBron and Jordan 'Who is the GOAT?'.
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• Ray Allen On Who's The... Ray Allen - LeBron James Or Michael Jordan? - Guy Hartman-Cocco
• Ray Allen Talks Comeba... Ray Allen w/Dan Patrick | Full Interview | 9/11/18 - Dan Patrick Show
• The 20&20 Podcast #018... The 20&20 Podcast #018 NBA Veteran Scott Williams - The 20 and 20 podcast
• NBA GOAT: Michael Jord... NBA GOAT: Michael Jordan or LeBron James? Larry Hughes jumps in - Fresh 24 With Marc Zumoff
• Wally Szczerbiak on th... Wally Szczerbiak on the Dan Patrick Show Full Interview | 03/23/23
• How NBA Champion Mike ... Mike Miller | Out of Office - Boardroom
• Jason Williams on Lebr... Jason Williams - Flagrant
• Stephen A., Vince Cart... Vince Carter, on LeBron James eclipsing Michael Jordan | First Take | ESPN
• NBA Star Kevin Willis ... Kevin Willis says Lebron would have averaged__in the 90's|B&B Ep 25 - bars and beyond
• KG & Paul Pierce Discu... KG & Paul Pierce Discuss Lebron's Greatness & Explain Why He Passed MJ As The GOAT | KG CERTIFIED - All the Smoke
• NBA Great Dirk Nowitzk... NBA Great Dirk Nowitzki - NBA Action
• Dirk Nowitzki On The L... Dirk Nowitzki On The LeBron James vs Michael Jordan GOAT Debate - Sporting news Australia
• Chris Webber on LeBron... Chris Webber on LeBron James "he is greatest team player of all time" | THE HERD - The Herd with Colin Cowherd
• Chris Webber On LeBron... Chris Webber On LeBron Passing Jordan - News Today
Shaq - • Shaq's Competitive “Be... (34:00) Shaq- Full Send Podcast
Juwan Howard: • Juwan Howard Reacts to... - Juwan Howard - The Wolverine: Michigan Football and Basketball
Jason Kidd • Mavs' Jason Kidd on La... Mavs' Jason Kidd, "He Will Be The G.O.A.T."
• Jason Kidd praises LeB... Jason Kidd praises LeBron James' longevity in the NBA!!
Allen Iverson • Video Allen Iverson Goat Debate - HEADLINERS with Rachel Nichols
Grant Hill • Grant Hill On Why LeBr... Grant Hill On Why LeBron James Deserves More Respect From The "Old Heads Who Love Jordan” - JJ Redick
• The NBA GOAT Debate 🐐 ... The NBA GOAT Debate 🐐 Michael Jordan vs. LeBron James | ESPN
Jamal Crawford: • Jamal Crawford Thinks ... Jamal Crawford | 06/02/23 - Dan Patrick Show
• Jamal Crawford Intervi... Jamal Crawford - Jeremy Mills
• Charles Oakley on Mich... Charles Oakley| THE HERD (FULL INTERVIEW)
• Charles Oakley Answers... Charles Oakley - J2: J Squared & • Charles Oakley | Playi... Charles Oakley | EP 37 | KG Certified - All the Smoke
Jerry Stackhouse • Jerry Stackhouse Picks... Jerry Stackhouse - ESPN First Take
• Does Reggie Miller Thi... Reggie Miller | 02/07/22 - Dan Patrick Show
• Turner Sports' Reggie ... Turner Sports' Reggie Miller Discusses LeBron vs MJ as Basketball's G.O.A.T. (4/24/17) - Dan Patrick Show
Ron Artest • Metta World Peace says... Metta World Peace says LeBron James is the hardest player he has ever defended - Bootleg Kev
Brendan Haywood • How Michael Jordan & L... How Michael Jordan & LeBron James Differ As TEAMMATES | Brendan Haywood Breaks The GOATs Down - No Chill Gil - Fubo Sports.
Gary Payton • Gary Payton on why LeB... Gary Payton on why LeBron is better than Durant, King James joining Lakers | NBA | UNDISPUTED
• Area 21: Choose One - ... Area 21: Choose One - MJ, LeBron, Kobe - NBA on TNT
Tracy McGrady • MJ, Kobe, LeBron GOAT ... MJ, Kobe, LeBron GOAT Debate Decoded by Tracy McGrady | Scoop B - Brandon "Scoop B" Robinson
• Tracy McGrady Says LeB... Tracy McGrady Says LeBron James Is Already Arguably The Greatest Player Ever | The Jump
Karl Malone on The Dan Patrick Show 6/4/13 • Gilbert Arenas Breaks ...
Gilbert Arenas Breaks Down Why LeBron James Is OFFICIALLY The GOAT As A Michael Jordan Fan
• Isiah Thomas: I would ... Isiah Thomas: I would pick LeBron James over Michael Jordan | UNDISPUTED
• Al Harrington: 'Lebron... Al Harrington: 'Lebron Is The Greatest Of All-Time' | ALL THE SMOKE
• Jason Terry thinks LeB... Jason Terry thinks LeBron James might retire if he wins the NBA title this year | NBA | UNDISPUTED
• MJ vs LeBron: Who Ya G... MJ vs LeBron: Who Ya Got, Carlos Boozer? | The Dan Patrick Show | 5/9/18
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Ray Allen: Jordan
J Williams : LeBron
Larry Hughes: Jordan
Dirk: Jordan
Paul Pierce: says Jordan is the goat in a more recent interview (when him and KG discussing new 65 game rule)
Scott Williams: Jordan
Shane Battier: LeBron
Jerry Stackhouse: Jordan
Mike Miller: No answer
Ron Artest: Jordan
Iverson: Jordan
Vince: Jordan
Payton: Jordan
Brendan Haywood: LeBron (didnt exactly say it)
Boozer: LeBron (didnt exactly say it)
Kevin Willis: Jordan
Garnett: LeBron
Webber: Jordan
Jason Kidd: LeBron
Wally: Jordan
Gilbert: Jordan
Shaq: says Jordan is the goat in a more recent interview (All about the westcoast)
Jamal Crawford: Jordan
Grant Hill: Jordan
Al Harrington: LeBron
Reggie Miller: Jordan
Charles Oakley: LeBron
Tracy McGrady: eventually says Jordan is his goat
Juwan Howard: LeBron
Karl Malone: LeBron
But there's a ton more clips you left out of players who played against both.
Chauncey Billips: Jordan
Alounzo Morning: Jordan
Steve Nash: Jordan
Eddie House: Jordan
Jalen Rose: Jordan
Stephen Jackson: Jordan
Jamal Mashburn: Jordan
Stephan Marbury: Jordan
LeBron: 11
Jordan: 27
Jerry West: Jordan
Bob Cousy :Jordan
Rodman:Jordan
Stephan Marbury:Jordan
Tony Parker :Jordan
Wade :Jordan
Ewing:Jordan
Tim Legler:Jordan
Dominique Wilkins:Jordan Kawahi:Jordan and so many more.
Jerry West made it clear he is taking Kobe over both of them.
The Karl Malone one is HILARIOUS!!!!
Ask Clyde Drexler lol
@JWilliams Jordan also made everyone better...From Pip' to Grant and everyone else on those team!!! No one would've known about Paxson and Kerr...Longley and others...
Imagine Jordan and LeBron both playing simultaneously in their primes and facing each other in the finals. Someone would’ve taken it personally. The End.
can someone take it personally against Larry Bird?
😂Yessir, not even a close competition. MJ all day every day
@@williammalapitan3801Good call, Larry was the real deal as well.
@@TerryT0114It's okay to be wrong, which is good, because you are.
@@Tcrror Not a chance, LeBron would have been missing free throws, trying to pass to someone else to make the big shot (if it was close enough) an playing no defense. While both MJ an Bird would have been killing.
You don't know the old players but you should, it's all out there to educate yourself.
MJ & Bird were killers on the court, straight killers. Something LeBron has never been nor ever will be.
You really need to go watch their film, they were incredible and incredible when it mattered most.
Bird would literally tell the other team exactly what was going to happen, where the pass was coming from, what he was going to do an then he'd do it. An he did that over an over an over.
Someone would say something to MJ that he didn't like an a fire was started an he'd torch them until they knew to never talk to him like that again. That too happened over and over and over.
It's not close, those two were killers, something LeBron has never been. He's extremely talented but doesn't have the mind they did.
It's literally not close.
Just go look up their highlights then watch some full games.
They were truly incredible.
I hate these conversations because anyone who played against both didn’t play against Jordan during his prime years. These types of debates makes better sense between Kobe and lebron
U right but Kobe my second favorite player but I got lebron slightly ahead
🎯🎯🎯
Just think about that for a second... They didn't even play Jordan in his prime and they're still picking him...
@@CallmelegendaryTVbasketball facts!
Shaq, Grant Hill, Paul Pierce KG all did they played from 94-98 on, but go off g
Artest has played against prime Kobe and LeBron and old man MJ and he said MJ was the most difficult to guard. That's saying something.
you clearly misunderstood what ron was saying ngl
Old Jordan also means young and inexperienced Artest. Regardless young MJ is the goat
Love how they show LeBron dunking on stackhouse while he’s saying he’s going with MJ because they’re both from NC 😂
He said I could do more against lebron ( insert clip of 20yr old lebron dunking on his head) 🤣🤣
Lebron dunking on him doesn’t mean he can’t do more against him than Mike.
Ummm...Mike KILLED Stackhouse for that very same reason! Because they were from Carolina. Stack used to say he was going to be the best 2 guard to come out of NC😂
Can't knock his confidence early Stack was a damn PROBLEM FRFR!
Came to comment this it was too good 😂
@@Nysdaddyhe couldn’t do nun with him he averaged 28/8/5 vs stack house 😂
@17:34 What the younger generation has to realise is that what Kevin Willis is talking about is fact. Michael couldn't get to the rim as freely as Lebron can today, period, but he still averaged well above 30pts even though the majority of the lanes were closed.
He was going to the basket regardless, not just facilitate or sit out on the perimeter and shoot 3's. He wanted you to think that whatever you do, I'm going to overcome that challenge. He wanted to break you down mentally as well as physically, and he did it without fearing the consequences.
Everybody was in awe, including management, coaches, and players alike. He's the most feared man in the NBA to date and could not be dethroned once he became a champion. He was unstoppable, then unbeatable.
... and all in just 13 years.
This is apples and oranges. I'm older, seen both, huge fan of both. It's just different. Also, the argument is emotional which allows for non-representative and biased thinking like finals records. That stat is useless. Why not conference finals stats then? Or first round?
You write "Once he became King", thereby ignoring what happened before. In contrast, a whole slew of people claimed that LeBron could never be the GOAT before he even won his first championship. Talk about being emotional and and premature. Furthermore, it is incorrect. He couldn't stay in the league because of whatever, and he was certainly beatable while playing for the Wizards.
Also, absurd as it may sound, LeBron is still active, and everyone needs to stop the debate. You cannot compare a retiree with an active player, nor can you compare 13 with 20 career years. Average stats will favor the shorter career, but overall stats will favor the longer career. This incommensurability makes the debate pointless.
Together, with Kareem, MJ and LeBron are the three players that can claim the title depending on perspective. Why can't we just enjoy and celebrate their fantastic accomplishments?
Magic did more in 11 years than MJ, 5 in 9 finals run in 11 years. Bron is my goat MJ 2 Kareem 3
@@kevinbuggage9721 I'm good with either three as GOATs. Though, it takes a more complex reasoning to understand LeBron's greatness. Since, it becomes a matter of taste, I like LeBron because I value longevity perhaps a bit more than the other qualities.
@@MrClebophdi cant accept lebron being the goat, never. That 8pts game in 11, the sweep in 07 and dont get me started on that "that cavs team were trash" because they held the spurs average score below 79pts in those 4games sweep, 2 of them being 1 possession margin, lebron chokes consistently for 21 years and counting
@@kevinbuggage9721a loser like lebron could never be the goat. 07 sweep, 2 of those games were 1 possession margin, what lebron did? Averaged 22 in a very inefficient shooting because he got no bag, he cant shoot, what he can only do is bulldoze his way to the rim and relies on his athleticism. After that choking job in 11 against the mavs, he looked for hakeem to teach him basic fundamental footworks because again, he got no bag
To compare LBJ to MJ is like comparing the greatest distance Runner to the greatest Sprinter.
Hell of a comparison. Both are the goat at what they do
or a sturdy cab to a premium sportscar
wow that rlly but things into perspective for me
Jordan is better at everything.
@@jonkravetz6968 I never argue with those lacking objectivity. I feel sorry for them because they are lacking what comes natural for many others.
Gary Payton said it best when referring to Jordan. "We called him Black Jesus for a reason"
He also said lebron was better than Jordan
9 out of 10 of these players didn't have the prime Jordan experience, they are taking about playing Jordan before his first 3 peat
The problem is, anybody who played against a prime Mike only played against a young Bron. If they played Bron in his prime, they were pups when they played Mike.
Ok so did you not watch the video? What did AI say?
What did reggie miller say, What did Kg say, what did Jason kid say what did Isiah Thomas say what did Karl Malone say @@zoramirez-jv9hj
Ray Allen played against, or with both in their prime. Saved Lebrons Legacy by hitting that 3. Bosh got the tip-out. Lebron wasn’t involved at all besides bricking some 3s in the stretch. To me Ray Allen’s opinion holds the most weight.
@@christopherthomas3343 should rewatch that whole game. Then Lebron literally came back in that fourth quarter by himself and then before iconic Real shot Lebron literally came down the court and hit three threes back to back to back it’s a to team sport he wasn’t saved just a role-player playing his part
This is how I know you are a casual who hates Lebron religiously without even watching his games.
That game 6 in the 2013 Finals that you are talking about was ONLY close because Lebron exploded with 16 points in the fourth, almost outscoring the Spurs BY HIMSELF (Spurs had 20 points in the 4th) and he was the one that hit the three right before Allen's 3 to cut the lead to 3. If Bron didn't perform spectacularly in that 4th quarter and didn't hit that 3 before Allen's 3, Ray could have hit 3 threes in a row and it still would not have mattered.
In conclusion, watch the games and stop regurgitating shitty media takes.
@@christopherthomas3343
At 5'6, ive got 0 points in the NBA. But in my driveway, I got my own rebound on a missed layup, then missed again.
Isiah admit that LeBron watched Mike...he knew exactly how he wanted to play but realized he could never Be Like Mike
is great that Lebron can play for that long , but am sorry he will never be MJ .....
no need for him to be someone he already exceeds
In y’all eyes in order to be better than MJ you have to BE MJ! LBJ is the goat. I respect MJ as my 2nd goat and those who have him as their goat. But LBJ is a realm of his own.
"Lebrons body of work is flawless" how anyone says that with a straight face is beyond me. Even the most diehard jordan fans wouldnt say that about MJ. BY FAR the most annoying thing about Lebron fans is that they will say ANYTHING to propagandize this team hopping whiner.
Theyre fangirls, not fans.
Well MJ fans act like him quitting and whining wasn’t a big deal yet when Lebron has more points than bird and Magic combined only rings matter😂 even tho MJ had the greatest coach ever, rebounder and defender ever
Dude who said that is Kevin Durants agent
@Ooooooopsy accumulative stat doesn't mean shit. Is 15 ppg better on each game or 30 ppg? A 15 ppg can reach those so called points as long as they play longer. Do you understand the logic of that?
@@algladyou That’s the dumbest logic i’ve ever heard
Kevin Willis with room temperature IQ. "Lebron would've averaged 19" LMAO
I thought this argument was done with. I don't even know how this comparison is valid. GOATS don't come home with bronze medals. GOATS don't lose championships. GOATS don't switch teams to chase a ring, they win with the team they got. GOATS don't brick when an important game is on the line. And last but not least, GOATS don't say they're the GOAT, people say it.
That part
You said people need to say it? LeBron is the GOAT. There, I said it. Most talented all around player to ever play the game, accolades aside. Statistically better in every category than Jordan (I'm talking individual stats). It is a debate, because there are many good reasons to put LeBron at the very top. 8 straight Finals appearances with 8 mediocre to bad teams. Coming back from 3-1 in the Finals against the greatest regular season team of all time. All time leading scorer. Top 10 in about every major statistical category. Can play and has played every position on the court at a high level, something Jordan could not do. The fastest, most athletic 6'8", 250 pound human the world has ever seen. Still playing at a superstar level at 39 years old, something literally nobody, not Jordan, not Kareem, nobody has ever done before.
Meanwhile, Jordan couldn't get out of the first round of the playoffs until Scottie Pippen came along. Jordan wasn't 6 for 6 on Finals, he was 6 for 15 with a ton of 1st and 2nd round exits.
Preach.
@@Aldwulf w ball knowledge
All I know from being a 10 year old starting to watch the NBA on my own because to me, what LeBron James is to so many today, to us in Michigan, that was Magic Johnson. The NBA was a BIG MAN'S GAME all my life, until MJ came along. They weren't talking about him in the media as if he was a "King" he wasn't one to "Witness" he was from my memory a very good player, on a terrible Bulls team that was probably going to be disappointed because this was a team game and no 1 guy is going to make the difference and they didn't have a great Big Man. Well, he changed the game, changed minds and left a legacy that 21 years later his name is still arguably at the top of the pile
I mean 1 guy did not make a difference though, they never can. He only started winning in the playoffs with great teammates around him and a great coach.
@@EnViTed1 Jokic won the title without a single All-Star on the team, something that many great players have never accomplished. Jokic achieved all this without the help of the NBA, media and new juice. One player can make the difference. No one dominated like Jordan and that's why 99% of people of all generations consider him the greatest of all time.
Arguably yes. 100% agreed.
MJ was the most important player of all time. The Fandom he created for the game and the passion that the next generation had for ball was all because of him. LeBron can thank MJ for who he had to be. Personally, I take LBJ and I don't think it's close... but I totally understand the people who say it's MJ and he is untouchable. LeBron is basketball to me.
You obviously didn’t know how bad of a team the Bulls were the year prior to Jordan. 1 guy did make a difference as a rookie. First year in the NBA he brought them to the playoffs. He took a team that was somewhere between the current raptors and hornets and brought them to a playoff team as a rookie. The more impressive thing as well is LeBron had Carlos Boozer on his team. You want to talk about having NOBODY on your team, ‘84 Bulls was that definition. Orlando Woolridge was Jordan’s “second” on the team. Jordan led his team on Points, Assists, steals AND total rebounds. Everything ran through MJ. He willed his team into the playoffs.
Jordan was known as “black jesus” he didn’t need to be “king” and ppl would pack out gyms just to go watch Jordan practice😂
MJ is my goat, but we have to be real...every generation has its own goat.The one with whoom they grew up,they watched,and wanted to be.I understand,and I'm not mad at all.
Your not part of this shit bruh.take a video and said that again and no ever watch that video bcoz we dont care🤣🤣🤣
@@Mcenzie08 well,looks like you do,as soon as you commented.✌️😬
Facts and it’s go MJ KOBE CURRY idgaf 🙅🏾♂️
Not tru..I'm jus say'n
@@SAWLID🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I find it wild that this debate is so toxic in the fanbase, while when you hear players talk about it none of them have a single negative thing to say about either Bron or MJ.
But in the larger scheme of things too, why does it matter? All the comparison just kills the ability to enjoy watching great athletes achieve great things
highly agree.. lets be honest tho, a large majority of that hate comes from older generation/MJ fans in general discrediting Bron completely.. "queen James" "fake ring" "6>4" " "crybaby" "flopper" etc etc
I honestly believe the disconnect is bigger than basketball. It's like flat earthers vs globe believers. 1 side questions everything and does in depth out of the box research to make their point while the other just goes with the media and easy narratives
@@TreeEl-gp2tx did you just compare MJ fans to flat earthers?
blame the old head jordan fans
MJ fans would be parallel to the globe believers in this analogy..@@blacklight3363
8:42 6 Finals loses. Quitting. Teaming up with other top 10 players. Yeah. Flawless
do you know how free agency works? if you dont better search, and look at cavs on LBJ first years, no plan to win championship, their front office sucks, their players are jealous to a young star, managed to get Shaq but he was already washed , Lebron want to win but Cavs had other plans.
Young LBJ took that under .400 team to playoffs, if you cant understand that fact then you know nothing about basketball,, you are just for the thrill
@@simplevideosforsimplelife3080Jordan never ran to other superstars or begged for players. He took soft pippen and turned him into the best Robin in the league. Lebron isn't top 10. Mj would average 50 easily today. No defense on mj????????
@@chrismcallister3495 can you put here the link where LBJ begged for players or superstars? or you are just one of the guys who accept whatever on the headline?
Just like the other day, a TV personality says, "LBJ got nothing to do with coaches getting fired/hired" and most fans dont accept it, because all this time, media made us believe that LBJ holds the power to choose. 🥱🥱
@@simplevideosforsimplelife3080 no one was mad he left the Cavs it was him joining two other superstars that’s the problem… just to lose in final still 💀
@@OhYummmmp stop being naive,, basketball is all about business , and cavs that time has no plan of winning chips,, LBJ wants to win at least. Basketball is a team sport, no matter how good you are, no way to win a chip with your skills alone, you need consistent team, guys that want to win as well. Losing to Dallas w/ Dirk that time is not shameful, we all know how beast Dallas that time, they only lost 20-25 that time.
What happened to Dame? he said hell stay and win, dame is one of a hell player, but had to leave his team.
The only team that was built from its core are GSW, Spurs and Nuggets(during LBJ era), those team were built tru the years and win a chip later on.
We are not in the 90`s, no more. The players are too skilled now, everyone can shoots 3s, most PGs can dribble like Iverson, Centers can pass and make plays.
Its not like before where players focus on their roles, its too complex now, make it far harder to win championship or even reach playoffs.
LeFlopper is great in an era of no-defense 3-pt shooting with wide open lanes to the basket. Jordan played in a defensive era with Detroits Bad Boys and Hall of Fame Centers defending the paint. Jordan played award winning defense. So did Kobe. LeBron floats to superteams and still has trouble winning championships. It’s MJ.
It's comical that you didn't have a clue that LeBron or ?LeFlopper? is a 13x ALL NBA Defensive player. MJ wasn't but a 9x. LeBron's stats destroyed MJ's, except in PPG, steals, and less Turnovers. Awards are handed out by voters..the voters gave MJ extra awards out of fear he'd quit basketball again. LeBron has been an All-star in 20 out of 21 seasons. MJ was great to watch in the 1990s. But since 2003 MJ knew his legacy was dropping to LeBron, Kobe, and other stars.
@@Skillz_251No! Lebron is a 5 time first defensive team and 13 time nba first team! Jordan is the 9 time first defensive team and 1 time defensive player of the year. As Lebron had no defensive player of the year awards!
@@bradforddolo1 not one time did I say that LBJ won DPOY??? He's a 13 time All-NBA defense 1st,2nd, or 3rd team combined. Not so sure where you thought you read that I wrote that.
The Bulls were the original super team.. MJ, Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc, Harper.. MJ couldn't win shit before Pippen and Grant got there. MJ lost every year his first 6-7 years. He averaged 37ppg on a team that featured last year veteran George Gervin, and nothing but 3rd tier bench warmers. That's not GOAT shit.. that desperate to score points in hopes of winning. None of these commenters understand organizational basketball. MJ needed a multitude of stars to win his championships. Then he quit twice!!! Once to dodge a gambling suspension!!! GOATS don't bet on the league. You YT clip stans have no clue!!
@@Skillz_251If we find anything comical, it’s that you don’t know the facts about your own player. LeBron was only on All-Defensive team6 times. The 13 you are referring to is how many times he was on the All-NBA Team. For reference, Michael was on All-Defensive team 9 times and Kobe 12 times, a record for guards. Michael also did that in 5+ fewer years of play than LeBron.
People forget that MJ was not only the best offensive player in the league but the best defensive player in the league as well.
Two huge factors everybody's failing to mention in this debate is how much more athletically gifted than anyone in any sport that we have ever seen and also on top of that medical staff and advancements of today. One last thing as a human being what is more gratifying honestly living up to expectations or exceeding expectations.
Gotta work hard either way though. But you're right.
Also the biggest advancements have probably been in shoes. Shoes alone account for most of the increased speeds in running.
With that logic, the people LeBron are playing should also have the advancements… so why is he the only one with such feats other than Kareem?
The GOAT conversation ended when Lebron had to join forces with Wade to win rings. I just want to see what happens when his PED use is officially a story
😂😂
Be quiet. Scottie Pippen and rodman joined him too. Kukoc. Kerr. Longley. Harper. 🤐 No one can win by themselves. Every Batman needs a robin. Hater
@@JuanMarquez-tg7zsYou be quiet. They didn’t join him they were built by the Bulls. Don’t start with Rodman cause his days with the Spurs he was considered a wreak. Pippen and Kukoc joining Jordan is the most laughable thing I have ever seen because they were literally drafted there. But hey try again next time casual.
@@alexkriesel9139 lebron haters will always hate greatness. Appreciate the king 👑 the goat 🐐 the chosen one
Lets for one second imagine if jordan would've been 6'8 260 that you get called for a foul simply touching someone and LeBron 6'6 190 getting hacked every play. Just consider it think for one second if they could swap shoe. Would there be any doubt who is the goat?
That's a good angle 👌
Lebron shot less free throws than every superstar ever
They both would adapt. If you disagree you're a hater and favor one or the other.
Everything would be different.
@@gian-lucbrasseur207it's not about adapting, just swap each other's physical attributes and keep their own style of play. Jordan was a better shooter, defender, passer (when he wanted to), ball handler, etc. Basketball is a game of Skills. Picture a 6'9 260lb MJ 🤯.
@@cooleyhigh3405 I would say physical attributes is a big factor in style of play. If we swap the bodies of AI and Shaq then one of them will be a bulldozer and the other will be a six foot man who can't shoot.
"Lebrons body of work is flawless" WILD........🤣🤣
Flawless? Only a dummy would call a 4-10 finals record flawless, but not 6-0. Never going to a game 7, never losing 3 games in a row from 1990-1998😂
@@RodneyPillowsthat never losing 3 games in a row stat is wild I’m booking that
@@RodneyPillows jordan was up against plumbers bro
@user-xm5du8hu1q nobody rides brons nest harder than a die-hard MJ fan. Getting swept in the first round multiple times then dominating vs non dynasties in the finals for a short burst of time isn't as impressive to a smart human. Going 10 times is better than 6. Lebron would be 10-0 if he played against ringless competition like MJ did 😂
@gian-lucbrasseur207 going 10x would be better if you won. No one cares about second place
How Lebron has eliminated Kobe from the conversation is incredible. Being honest and snarky
ikr!!
You're ready to argue that Lebron is not the superior player?
@@duncanhall7228 yes
Highest vertical in history @6'4" is better than 275lb @ ~6'9. Bron is a unit, Jordan is a freak with the hands and ability. Bron is a playmaker make up type player. Jordan is a destroyer type player. Bron will hope his teammates can hit the last shot when he makes the right play.. MJ will drag his team acrfoss the finish line and he will take the last shot and make it as a clutch player. IF you like point guards and passing, your probabley going with Bron (but dont forget when MJ had to play pg he was averaging close to a triple double, so dont say MJ cant play a distributor type role, he did that already and moves on), bron hopes he teammates can do their job, he gives them opportunites , but he doesnt make them better(there is a difference).. If you want a guy that will go get the Win and shut down his opp for $hits and Giggles, if you want a clutch dude that forces his peers to be better then your picking MJ.... When you can make your teammates better, you dont have to go hunting for players to team up with to win.. Checkmate.
@duncanhall7228 of course kobe is the superior player. Most people who actually watch lebron wouldn't have LBJ in their top 5. Lebron isnt even the greatest SF ever. Id pick kobe all day for my team over Lebron not even close. People were afraid when Kobe had the ball cause of how clutch he was. Lebron more than likely doesn't make it and costs them the game or gets bailed out by one of his teammates. And just regular games today people leave lebron open cause they dont believe hed make many 3s. Where's people would never dare leave mj, kobe or bird open anywhere on the court. How can someone not show up so many times in clutch situations and people still think james is the goat or number 2 behind jordan is straight delusional. Its disrespectful to players that have a long history of being clutch and even times where they might lose they gave it their all.
@@AlexWeberg
Kobe:
1 mvp in 20 seasons
Longest wait to win league mvp (12 years)
Longest wait to win finals mvp (13 years)
2 scoring titles despite leading the league in shot attempts 6 times
6 seasons averaging less than 20ppg
Mediocre FG% (the same tier with carmelo and harden)
Never shot 47% FG in any season (reggie miller shot 47% for his career)
Poor 3pt shooter (esp for a guy who takes 500 shots at practice)
Worst FG% by a finals mvp (40% in 2010)
Most double digit bad shooting nights in the regular season (375 games shooting below 40% FG)
Most double digit bad shooting nights in the playoffs (60 games shooting below 40% FG)
Missed the most shots in the nba (he still need the next guy lebron to play 2 extra seasons to surpass it)
Missed the most game winning shots in the playoffs (7/28, 25%)
Took the most games to get to 30000 points
Has the worst FG% of anyone in the 30000 point club
5 rings but only 2 Finals MVP (piggybacked Shaq)
Missed the playoffs in the heart of his prime (first year without shaq)
Only top 20 player all time to never lead the league in any major advanced statistics
About to slide off the top 30 in career PER
His last game winning shot (playoff) was wayback in 06 (his 10th season)
4 airballs in 1 game (might be a record)
Bench player for 2 years (back up to eddie jones)
Negative in defensive box plus/minus despite being 12x all-defense
Most undeserved all star selections (3 times, 2014-16)
Statistically played the worst individual season of any high usage player ever (17.6ppg on 17 shots, 14.9%PER, 47% TS%, 32% USG%, negative in winshare and bpm, winning only 13 games in 2015-16)
Jordan made the NBA a worldwide phenomenon. So, put it this way Jordan is to the NBA what Babe Ruth is to MLB is what Ali is to boxing what Gretzky is to NHL and Pele is to soccer. They all made their sport what it is today and people who never saw them play or fight will alway know what they did and who they are.
Mj, Kobe, Lebron
Facts
MJ Jabbar Duncan Magic Kobe and that guy who jumpships
kobe aint top 3
Anyone who puts Kobe top 3 is a Kobetard and can be safely disregarded. At least the players who put Kobe top 3 were his homies.
@@Kamylamy guy has 5 rings in 1 team FOH
Hold up, did j will really try to say that Lebron gets triple team more than Jordan?tf
Hilarious.
Which is true. The illegal defense rule make it harder for teams the bring help defense during MJ's era
@@1vaultdwellerHand checking made 1v1 defence more effective back then though now all they gotta do is run in to the defender and they’re going to the line
@@OhYummmmp But they can form a Giannis wall now. Which was prohibited in MJ's era, duh
Help defense was non-existent or too late due to illegal defense rule. MJ fanbase never wanna talk about that lmao
nope, hes talkin about how in the 80’s/90’s Mike wasnt playin against a zone. He was sble to see the double coming and go the other way while the area is open bc offball defenders are not shading/sagging. He primarily played against 1 on 1. Now guys can shrink 1 side of the court and force the ball to move around
Zeke saying HOF coaches, OK Dean Smith is but Phil was a rookie coach and was not anything until he coached MJ vice versa.
Phil in the HOF
@@powskipowskii304 duh now he is, but was he a HOF coach when he was hired?
His point was about what HOF coaches thought Jordan. Phil came in wth Tex Winters and the triangle fundamental to how they won 6 championships
@@powskipowskii304 Read and understand what is written.
@@ilovemusic3478he won Mj a championship as head coach that what got him in the HOF Mj did have a ring before or after Phil
Lebron is amazing but Michael is an icon. MJ is like Pope John Paul II in Europe. You may not believe me, but in Europe, if you ask your grandmother, grandfather or child who Lebron James is, very often they don't know. But when you ask about Jordan, even the old grandma knows who he is. All these conversations about who is the best are a bit pointless. In the current era, Lebron is undoubtedly the best. Michael was the best in his era. but I know one thing, the basketball player who has been my biggest inspiration so far is Michael. Think about it, Michael played his last match 21 years ago and everyone is talking about him. I wonder if in 20 years we will be talking about LeBron like Jordan. We have to wait to answer this question
M.J is not only the GOAT player in basketball in any era but GOAT as an athlete and a sports star.
Enough said. End this pointless conversation who is the GOAT in basketball. M.J is the most famous
sports star in the world past, present, and future. Not even Messi, Ronaldo, Ali, Pele, Maradona, Usain Bolt,
M Tyson, Tom Brady, M Phelps, Roger Federer, or anybody can top M.J period.
Now, keep in mind - Jordan is 1st all time in important advanced stats - PER, win shares, box + - AND VORP per 48, both in the regular season and playoffs. That's insane, especially considering it was before the stats boom where players as crummy as Westbrook could average 30 point triple doubles for 3 years straight. Then you consider that Jordan and Lebron are a hall of fame career apart in achievements, and that's despite Jordan playing for far less years - Jordan has 34 trophies to Lebron's 17. 6 championships (Lebron 4, including 1 where Ray Allen saved his butt or it'd be 2011 all over again, plus a choked 2011 championship), 5 MVP's (LeBron 4), 10 scoring titles (Lebron 1), 9 time 1st defense (Lebron 5), Defensive Player of the Year in a STACKED era of defensive centers (Lebron 0)..... Jordan single handedly has 7 of the top 10 playoff series scoring averages of all time and 19 of the top 100 single best played games (game scores), meaning 1 out of 5 is him. This is simply not close.
KEEP IT MIND JORDAN NEVER LED NBA IN FG% WILT DID 12X ALSO 12X IN RPG MPG BPG LIKEWISE 7X IN PPG. U JUST PROVED U R DERANGED
@@PIP...33 So what? Deandre Jordan led the league in field goal percentage. Are you going to tell me he's some goat scorer? None of the GOATs led in field goal percentage. You're cherry picking. And to be efficient at high volume is insane.
@@PIP...33 Your cherry pick is Jordan didn't lead in field goal percentage. Mine is that Wilt never won 6 championships in an era with 24 teams, and Jordan has a higher points per game than Wilt even though Wilt played in an era with 33% more possessions!
@@ShaShaSha534 yeah and jordan never won 1 game vs Bird. U just proved Brd is 500x better than jordan cause he swept him 1 on 1 every time
@@ShaShaSha534 Deandre led NBA in dunks Wilt did on fadeaways. U see how deranged u r
At 8:39 ol boy says " Lebrons body of work is flawless," and then glosses over a truly "flawless" 6 for 6...OMG 😂...what dimension do these LeStans live in? 😂🤣😅
The dimension that you don't exist troll boy. That's NBA legends saying LeBron is the best ever.
Yall are wild. Literally sat through a lebron video just to hate on it? Your just giving the dude more views and publicizing it more 🤦♂️💀
@blacklight3363 it wasn't a LeBron James video...but you Stans see the word GOAT and make ridiculous assumptions that it's a LeBron video.😅🤣😂...does the title say LeBron is the GOAT? Did I miss something?
@@ajjamaal646 Career (Totals) LeBron James Michael Jordan
LBJ MJ
Games 1,421 1,072
Points 38,652 34,241
Rebounds 10,667 6,672
Assists 10,420 5,633
Steals 2,186 2,514
Blocks 1,073 893
Turnovers 4,966 2,924
Minutes 54,094 41,011
IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS that MJ can't even hold LeBron's used Towel. And those numbers were before this season began.
LeBron: is a 20x All-Star, 4x MVP, 13x All-NBA 1st Team, 4x All-Star MVP, 4x NBA Finals MVP, 4 Championships with 3 different teams, and 3 rookie or inexperienced coaches. Very few all-star teammates over 21 seasons.. MJ had at least 1 all-star teammate every year from 1993-2003. Jordan wasn't even a 1st pick..he was the 3rd pick behind (Sam Bowie) who was a terrible NBA player but he got drafted above MJ. LeBron is the best we've ever seen at every aspect of basketball, MJ was the highest scorer we've ever seen at 30.1 ppg for his career. But he gave up twice on Chicago. And then became the ALL-TIME WORST GM/TEAM OWNER IN THE HISTORY OF THE NBA.
That dude Kevin Willis be capping big time. 19ppg😂😂 that’s straight up lies
for real. Hahahahaha. Karl Malone was averaging 27-31 in his prime but LeBron just gonna get 19.. ok Kevin
@@Boss3Nate as in Dude be smoking cracks
@@egbowonjohn7448 lol that's most Jordan supporters.
@@Ghost-rb6cw the way they think is too low
Yeah Kevin who's clowned himself on that one
Jason Williams forgot that LeBrick's career field goal percentage from 3 feet or beyond from the rim is a dismal 36% average and the field goal percentage drops to 20% during clutch time.
Yea those are fake stats tf 😂
@@Vilezzzz... No they aren't. Don't get upset because he has weaknesses no greatest ever candidate should have at this point in his career.
MJ has missed a lot of shots too my guy😂 that argument is void. If u wanna go that route u gotta acknowledge the fact he’s shooting better now. Lebron also took more shots/3s. Lebron had to carry way more load than MJ throughout his career
Yet the FG% is over 50%, and TS% is almost 60%
I love how they took the comments from Paul Pierce making it seem like he’s supporting LeBron as the goat when he said in so many occasions, and so clearly that he is not the goat! Matter fact, KG even said anybody could play 25 years if they only plan 60 to 65% of the games and not even going all out this guy has no competitive fire and him he’s only trying to put up stat statistics
When did lebron only play 60-65% of his games? Name one season.
Every season LeSISSY DOES THIS BRONSEXUAL GO CHECK THE STATS IS CALL LOAD MANAGEMENT AND LeFRAUD INVENTED THIS@@briankeller2733
He literally crowned him the goat in the past 2 years u didn’t see the interview or u have mental issues
@@wordplaygt4465Paul has never said lebum is the goat dude stop the 🧢🤡😂😂😂😂
@@kylonp7311Pierce and Garnett said it on their podcast.
Lebron doesn’t have 3 defenders, it’s 3 guys hoping he doesn’t get charged into and get called for not moving out lebrons way to the basket
They both are awesome Annette includes Kobe Bryant Wilt Chamberlain that's a very special group the four of them
You had a chance to watch Michael, Isaiah,Magic,John Stockton u can look at Kobe Kevin Garnett and Dwight Howard they didn't have the success that LeBron has had but they came out of straight out of high school and did very well for themselves
MJ is the goat period
I agree with you. However, MJ was not hungry anymore after his first 3-peat. He was bored. He had to go play baseball to realize playing basketball as well as he did was a gift and appreciate what he could do on the basketball court. I am not sure MJ would have been able to get his 2nd 3-peat without retiring to go play baseball. If MJ hadn't retired to go play baseball, there wouldn't be any question MJ is the goat if he had won another championship instead of playing baseball. SEVEN championships in A ROW?!!! If you watched "The Last Dance", you would have seen MJ was still hungry after the 2nd 3-peat. MJ wanted a 7th championship, but it all fell apart after the 6th championship.
From a spectator point of view, MJ is also the goat. It's more fun to watch MJ play basketball than Lebron.
keep telling urself that😂
5:55 "no one goes home and dreams about lebron beating them."
Tell that to indiana and toronto scott.
Man Michael Jordan played 82 games at the age of 40.. 37 minutes a game LeBron on pace to play to play 70 maybe this year
The game is way faster now with more possessions more running, all this load managements is coming from analytics and from the front office wanting to protect their products that are earning way more than back in Jordans era.
Michael retired twice before his 40th birthday and has way less total minutes? Also the pace is much higher today which means more running than back then; where they would almost always outplay the shotclock.
he was on steroids
and dont forget the talent way better now days thats a huge difference yall dont like talking bout all yall do is revert to defense like they was always playing defense they did the same 💩 invthe 90’s not playing defense yall just deluisonal about nostalgia lebron his simply a better overall player feel how u wanna feel
@@SoCalOnTheBeatjumping higher and being faster doesn’t necessarily mean you will be good at basketball. Two of the best players in the league right now Jokic and Luca are not really athletic. How do you explain that? Also do you know who the only player in nba history to win regular season mvp, finals mvp, led the league in scoring in the regular season and playoffs, won the chip and was first team all defense is? There goes your Lebron argument.
I would have loved to see them played each other.
Bron is the goat from teammates, ex teammates, or you work for him… Jordan is the goat from guys that didn’t like him 😂😂😂.. two 3peats all mvps, all first team defense 💯💯💯
Be quiet. Kevin Garnett and Paul pierce hated lebron. What do they say now??? lol stop it
That's why he's the Goat, Greatest Of All Team mates
Let some of the RUclipsrs tell it, no NBA Player would pick LeBron, and if they do, they're just old, bitter, and jealous of Jordan.
He stopped most of them from getting a ring 😂
In the end, in sports, it all comes down to CHAMPIONSHIPS! MJ = 6 Finals appearances, 6 Championships. Lebron = 10 Finals appearances, ONLY 4 Championships! Imagine Magic and Bird in today's NBA!!!!!
You missing 8 more years
Robert Horry got more rings than Jordan. That don't make hm better meat head. Takes a goat type player to win a ring with every team he played for . Quit drinking the kool-aid
@@jamesbrown1718 I was trying NOT to rub it in too hard. Some of these youngsters just couldn't handle it!!!
@@dacryptkeeper6836 So once again Bill Russell is the GOAT and Robert Horry is better than MJ cause 7-0? Of course rings are important, but they are not the be all and end all in team sports. You can be the best ever in the world at the worst team for 20 years and you won't win a thing.
@@EnViTed1 You have your opinion, and I have mine! NOTHING you say will convert me to LeBron being the GOAT!!!!!
BTW, Bill Russell won his first ring in a league of 8 teams, and his final ring in a league of 14 teams! Just like Otto Graham won the majority of his rings in the AAFL, where there were only 8 teams (that's football, in case you don't know!)
MJ played at 40! Avg 21.2 with the Wizards while getting his knee drained before every game, and after coming back from a 3 year absence. If lebron retired for 3 years came back and had to get his knee drained before every game then we could talk, and in a more physical era the early 2000s😮
They just was allowed to get away with fouls only way the bum player could offset great offense
@@eugenebrown6477 Whatever. It's easier to score now then it's ever been. The ratings say the fans don't like it. Well grown folks don't like it. But these soft kids nowadays love it. "Players today are more skilled" it's easier to look more skilled with no defense being played
@@RodneyPillows yeah but the skill level so high that defense back then don’t stand a chance
@@eugenebrown6477 lol the offense ain't much different its so crazy to me seeing dumb comments like this, there are more offensive threats now but not better offense and the rule changes allow for it and if these players couldn't travel like they do now with 4 and 5 steps and the stupid step thru that is now legal and taking double stepbacks they wouldn't be able to do alot of the things they get away with now...if u are truly a basketball player and know basketball u would see that but u guys follow a narrative that is beyond untrue I could pick five from the 90s and I would guarantee that they would dominate any 5 from today
@@MakaveliCVW yeah once I seen it’s not more offense I didn’t read the rest can only imagine
This whole debate about who is the greatest is fun to watch and read.
Here is an analogy for you, most employers would consider qualities, duties and responsibilities a requisite but they would also consider soft skills so to speak a must as well.
Soft skills as in The intangibles like "Winning", "Clutch", "Defense Stopper", "Taking The Opponents Heart or Playing Mind Games" "Knowing What You're Going To Do And Still Not Being Able to Stop It", "Making The Opponents Coaches and Players Lose Sleep From Game Planning" "A Will To Win" and then you add in the knowledge (K), skill (S), and ability (A).
This guy was a 10 time scoring champion the year and 7 of them were straight. Thats on top of winning 2 x 3Peat championships, 9 time All Defensive Team and 1 Defensive Player of the Year. And on and on... he did this in 13 or 14 years and retired twice. So he took breaks in between and still came back and showed why he was the greatest to EVER lace them up.
Lebron is an outstanding player and his longevity is remarkable and championships really have nothing to do with the overall greatness.or conversation. When you look at the ( body of work) how he did and who he did it with over a whole career, I have to still give the nod to Jordan.
Oohh i like Gary Payton saying, if he has the killer instinct like Mj everytime he play there is no arguement..well Kobe has the mentality too..Isaiah Thomas comment are funny, we talking about player not a coach sir, making play is the coach role thats why we have great coaches..i feel like bitterness..lol
That what he is saying genius. Mj Kobe Shaq all had great coaches to teach them and Lebron came out high-school dropping 20ppg on grown men
My Top Five 1 Jordan 2 Kareem 3 Kobe 4 LeBron 5 Magic/Shaq
that’s 6
I love Shaq, LSU and all, but he under performed and wasn't a hard worker. He ate himself out of LA making Kobe force the Lakers to choose between the 2 of them. History tells us who LA chose. ⚜
Ray played against prime mj who won 96 97 and 98 so that stops what last comment said and he played bron in his best years so wats ya point homie
Easy comparison if you ask lifelong Cavs fans over 40 yrs old. Jordon destroyed great Cavs teams in 90s. Lebron kept coming up short with Cavs until 2016. But 1-4 record in the Finals playing for the Cavs was not even close to MJ domination.
And it's crazy that Ray Allen say this because he was drafted in 1996 Jordan retired in 1998 So he never played against a prime Michael Jordan so he's saying the old MJ was better LBJ and his prime
You do know that thru those years the last one they went 72 -10. So I'll say that's the Best version of MJ by idk I'm only 41 going on 42 what do I know 😂
Not to mention Ray Allen won chips with Lebron, and literally saved Lebron's career with the most important shot... of Lebron's career lol. Imagine if Ray was 2 inches off, and that Heatles team went 1-3
Allen faced MJ on both Milwaukee and Seattle
My top 15 All Time list and I don’t care if you like it
1. MJ
2. Kobe
3. Kareem
4. Oscar Robertson
5. Lebron
6. Magic
7. Steph Curry
8. Tim Duncan
9. Bill Russell
10. Wilt
11. Shaq
12. Jokic
13. Olajuwon
14. Bird
15. Jerry West
Honorable Mention:
Dr J, Tiny Archibald, James Worthy, Iverson, Dirk, Pete Marravich, Stockton, Isaiah, Kyrie Irving, Kevin Garnette
List of goated players I love and still my fave:
Luka, Gary Payton, Dennis Rodman, Jason Williams, Tracy McGrady, Scotty Pippen, Karl Malone, Jason Kidd, Shawn Kemp, Ja Morant, Giannis Antetokoumpo, Stephon Marbury, DWade, Manu Ginobili, Ray Allen, Kevin McHale, Derrick Rose, Kevin Durant, Drazen Petrovich, Jamal Murray, Dame Lillard, Nash, Big Ben Wallace, Kawhi Leonard…
The longevity argument is weak. To me its like they're saying he's not as good, but he was not as good for a lot longer. That aint no GOAT. 😂
LBJ being the GOAT over MJ is flat-out, the most ridiculous claim I've ever heard in my life. It's the only argument in the world, in any sport or industry where mediocrity (really subpar performance) is celebrated, simply because they were mediocre/subpar longer than the person they've exhaustively tried catching up to their entire career. If this were a competition between two TOP Salesmen in a sales and results driven company (which is what all companies are, or should be anyway), it'd be like saying LBJ is the best sales person ever, simply because he booked more appointments over a longer period of time than anyone else, even though MJ booked plenty of appointments himself, only he also closed the deal at those appointments making more sales, and did so in a much shorter span of time. In fact, his closing percentage is 100%!! MJ closed more sales, with less appointments. Meanwhile, Lebrons is 40%. Sub-par. Yet somehow, some way, is some people's warped minds, they call that greatness. 🤔 🤦🏾♂️ Someone, please...make it make sense. Lebron is a phenomenal player. One of the best ever. But to argue that he is the Greatest of All Time is just asinine. If I'm hiring a closer, I'm paying you to close, to seal the deal, not to book appointments, and lose the damned sale. 🤷🏾♂️
Never a 3-peat with all of that talent surrounding him.. MJ and Kobe are next level the question should be who is better Steph or Lebron?
This agenda that you are pushing where Lebron has SO MUCH help is absolutely laughable.
First 7 years with the Cavs:
Best players Big Z and Mo Williams.
4 years with Heat:
Wade was great in 2011, good in 2012, and bad after those 2 years. For reference, he avged only 15/5 in the playoffs on 45% FG in 2013.
Bosh was good for 1 year (2011), and was terrible after that. He only played 14/23 playoff games in 2012, where he avged 14/7. In 2013, he pretty much fell off completely and only put up 12/7 on 45% FG in the playoffs.
4 Years with Cavs:
Ran into Warriors Dynasty first 2 years, then KD Warriors next 2 years.
Kyrie was only great in 2016/2017 playoffs and Love put up similar stats to Bosh in 2012.
At best, Lebron has had All-time teams in only 4 years of his 21 year career. (2011 and 2012 Heatles + 2016 and 2017 Cavs).
Not even close it's lebron 😂😂😂
steph 1000%
@@sm-mi8cwin your dreams 😂😂
You can't use a team accomplishment to justify who is better. Kobe didn't lead any 3-Peats. The question really should be how is MJ the GOAT. Who did he beat, what other great shooting guards did he play against, and how long was his greatness?
Lebron = Great
Kobe = Greater
Micheal = Greatest
dirk in an interview with dwade says jordan, paul pierce says jordan "my goat played 82, 18, 82 81 82"
and all of these are in 2024
Aries Spears said it best and im paraphrasing "The East was at it's peak when MJ played and it's worst when LeBron first came in. For years the Eastern Conference was known as the Leastern Conference."
When the game is on the line, MJ.. all day. He's a killer and clutch. Lebron, he fades on crucial moments. And sometimes, blames teammates.
if he was such a killer why did he humiliate himself in baseball?
@@m.ahmed.y1723 baseball? are you out of your mind? did lebron played baseball? we're talking about basketball bruv!! take your medecine. go!!
@@jasonjudetv506 you keep bringing up killer mindset. If he was such a killer why did he fail at baseball.
Stop bringing up killer mindset like its better than having 40k points. Just stopp
@@m.ahmed.y1723 baseball? funny as hell. MJ's real sport is basketball. everyone knew why he had a baseball vacation after their first 3 peat.. if mj didn't left, the bulls would've won 8 staight nba titles.
@@m.ahmed.y1723 Michael Jordan reached 32,292 career points during his 15th NBA season while LeBron James reached 32,292 career points during his 16th NBA season. Michael Jordan reached 32,292 points in 1,072 games while LeBron James reached the same milestone in 1,190 games. Michael Jordan won 10 scoring titles during his NBA career. He achieved this in the seasons from 1987 to 1993 and from 1996 to 1998. while LeBron James has won only 1 scoring title in the 2007-2008 season. Michael Jordan won a Defensive Player of the Year award while LeBron James has never won the Defensive Player of the Year award. Michael Jordan averaged 30.1 points per game over his NBA career while LeBron James has averaged 27.2 points per game so far in his NBA career. Michael Jordan had a total of 2,924 turnovers in his NBA career while LeBron James has accumulated 4,824 turnovers so far in his NBA career and all time leader in turnovers. oh btw, he just missed that WIDE OPEN game changer 3 point shot. he choked. he's better at flopping. give me a good rebuttal please.
When they talk about mj, make me feel like mj never loose a game and never miss a shot...
When it mattered most he didn’t 🤫 I Watched both careers MJ WAAAAY PAST LEBUMB
@@killerman93090-6 against Larry bird 1-9 in the playoffs without Scottie and Phil Jackson. Phil Jackson Made MJ the winner he was. He was a glorified stat padder
He didn't!!! ⚜
He didn't!!! ⚜
@Tim…
No that’s what you turn it into so you can complain about not being able to critique him enough legitimately. That’s female garbage.
Can someone tell me how is Bron's career flawless?
Bron's the ultimate flopper. Best to ever do it.
Flawless as in hes still very good at 39 an hes been doing it since the early 00s
Scott Williams just gave the best analogy wen players cant dream about beating you you're on a whole another level
LeBRON never had to play angry, be had to play smarter than everyone because he was hated. MJ and Kobe just came in and played angry due to their draft positions. What LeBRON had to endure from the league, journalist, commentators, writers, former players, playing players and even his teammates was unheard of... he was only 18. It was like being at a slave auction. You have to please your buyers from day one. Look at him now. You tell me he isn't the greatest player ever then Trump is the greatest CEO ever.
Preach bro!
I can't take anyone serious who:
A. makes a comment about GOAT stats in Basketball, but the audacity to insert Donald Trump's name in the same commen!
A. Has the audacity to put Lebron in the GOAT debate when we all know Lebron is better than MJ at one thing and one thing only...
F.L.O.P.P.I.N.G.!!!!!!
@@itzanopinion SO LeBRON isn't the REAL SCORING KING? SO, LeBRON DID NOT OUT PERFORM EVERY PLAYER IN A FINALS SERIES ON BOTH TEAMS? SO LeBRON is not the PO SCORING KING, STEALS LEADER AND WINS LEADER? Jordan has 9 Scoring titles right? He leads the league in most shots taken 7 years. I do believe if any nut shot the ball the most they would win it eventually.
6 vs 4 after 21 years. Let's stop it.
@cashmerej9665 only cause he played longer that's the only reason mj scored 30,000 points quicker than lebron in a Era where people still played defense
There is a clear cut reason why the VAST majority of the basketball community has declared Michael Jordan as The GOAT. This is not a legitimate debate. The better debate is between Kobe vs Lebron.
There really isn't. The competition is significantly harder, the defensive plays are significantly more sophisticated and effective, the league is more athletic, every single person on every single championship level team has to be a 3pt shooter, and big men have to guard them. It's a dumb argument. It's literally impossible to compare the two. Think about how many teams since mjs bulls have even gone back to back champs? That's not just because Jordan is so much better than everyone else. He didn't have the same competition. Not even close. He was on the most dominant team in the league for like 10 years. There is no unanimous best team, and there are teams that were much much much more talented than the MJ bills. And LeBron Beat just about all of them.
No it isn’t. Lebron is obviously much better than Kobe
great video, man. I haven't seen a lot of the clips you picked
First thing, we need to have a checklist of what makes you a 🐐
Accomplishments, Longevity, Winning, Stats
So if you were an employer of a business. You have your two best employees. One shows up most of the the time and the other sometimes. Who is getting the management position? The one that shows up almost all the time. 😅😅
Ray Allen saying that MJ had a three-point shot is the most disingenuous bullshit ever and speaks to how much of MJ’s GOAT argument has been exacerbated due to this “mythos.” LeBron is OBJECTIVELY the better 3 point shooter. Idc who your GOAT is, but it gets on my nerves how much these players and fans speak in hyperbole.
check jordan and Lebron 3pt PCT and you will get the answer.
If Jordan played in this era, he would have much better 3 point shot then leflopper.
Luv them both. As far as I’m concerned, they both are in the same GOAT pedestal 👑🏀
I don't think you know what the word "greatest" means.
@@DallasG83 i don’t think you know that greatness goes beyond just one person!
@nccourtney6335 That makes no sense. Of course, more than one person can be great but only one can be the greatest.
@@DallasG83 ok than mine is still the king! You keep yours and ill keep mine! Please don’t reply anymore…I
@@nccourtney6335 Don't post a comment if you don't want replies.
According to ChatGPT here is is what it suggest as the answer
Ranking these NBA legends is always a challenge, but here’s an informed list based on overall career impact, achievements, individual dominance, and influence on the game:
1. Michael Jordan
Accolades: 6x NBA Champion, 6x Finals MVP, 5x MVP, 10x Scoring Champion
Why #1? Widely regarded as the GOAT, Jordan revolutionized basketball both on and off the court. His dominance in the clutch, undefeated Finals record (6-0), and ability to win consistently under pressure make him the ultimate icon in NBA history.
2. LeBron James
Accolades: 4x NBA Champion, 4x Finals MVP, 4x MVP, All-time leading scorer
Why #2? LeBron’s versatility, longevity, and ability to impact all facets of the game are unmatched. His 10 NBA Finals appearances over three different franchises demonstrate his ability to lead teams to success across eras. He’s the most well-rounded player ever, combining scoring, passing, rebounding, and leadership.
3. Magic Johnson
Accolades: 5x NBA Champion, 3x Finals MVP, 3x MVP
Why #3? Magic revolutionized the point guard position with his 6’9” frame, court vision, and incredible leadership. He was the key orchestrator of the "Showtime" Lakers and remains one of the greatest playmakers in history.
4. Bill Russell
Accolades: 11x NBA Champion, 5x MVP
Why #4? Russell’s 11 NBA Championships speak for themselves. His defensive dominance and leadership turned the Boston Celtics into the greatest dynasty ever. Though his offensive stats don’t stand out, his impact on the game, particularly defensively, makes him a top-tier legend.
5. Wilt Chamberlain
Accolades: 2x NBA Champion, 4x MVP, 7x Scoring Champion, 100-point game
Why #5? Wilt’s sheer dominance is evident in his mind-boggling stats (e.g., scoring 100 points in a game, averaging 50 points over a season). His combination of scoring, rebounding, and athletic ability redefined what a center could do, although his success in championships falls short of some others on this list.
6. Larry Bird
Accolades: 3x NBA Champion, 2x Finals MVP, 3x MVP
Why #6? Bird was one of the greatest shooters and smartest players ever. His fierce competitiveness, ability to deliver in clutch moments, and versatile skills as a shooter, rebounder, and passer made him one of the most dominant forces in the NBA during the 1980s.
7. Kobe Bryant
Accolades: 5x NBA Champion, 2x Finals MVP, 1x MVP
Why #7? Kobe’s offensive brilliance and “Mamba Mentality” earned him his place among the all-time greats. His work ethic, scoring ability, and clutch performances made him a global icon. However, compared to Jordan, LeBron, and others, his overall career achievements and efficiency fall slightly short.
8. Tim Duncan
Accolades: 5x NBA Champion, 3x Finals MVP, 2x MVP
Why #8? The "Big Fundamental" was the anchor of the San Antonio Spurs dynasty. Duncan’s quiet but dominant approach led to unparalleled consistency, both offensively and defensively, over two decades. His ability to lead and sustain success earns him a top-10 spot.
9. Stephen Curry
Accolades: 4x NBA Champion, 2x MVP, 1x Finals MVP
Why #9? Curry is the greatest shooter in NBA history and revolutionized the game with his range, accuracy, and movement. His impact on how modern basketball is played cannot be overstated, as he changed the entire league’s approach to offense. His achievements in winning 4 titles and becoming a two-time MVP solidify his legacy.
10. Kevin Durant
Accolades: 2x NBA Champion, 2x Finals MVP, 1x MVP
Why #10? Durant is one of the most talented scorers ever, combining size, skill, and shooting ability like no other. His back-to-back Finals MVPs and scoring prowess make him one of the best offensive players in history. However, he lacks the leadership and overall impact of some higher-ranked players.
11. Jerry West
Accolades: 1x NBA Champion, 1x Finals MVP, 1x Scoring Champion
Why #11? "The Logo" remains one of the greatest guards of all time, known for his clutch performances and all-around skills. While he lost in the Finals several times, his consistency, scoring ability, and leadership still make him one of the NBA’s all-time greats.
It funny how they just skip Pippen to put LeBron over 😂
Michael Jordan is the only player in NBA history to win MVP, a scoring title, first team all-defensive player, a championship and a finals MVP all in one season. Jordan did this 4 times.
Michael Jordan is also the only player to win a scoring title and defensive player award in the same season. Jordan did this 6 times.
In 13 years, Jordan won 11 championships: 6 NBA championships, 2 Fiba championships, 2 Olympic championships, and 1 NCAA championship.
The best answer came from Grant Hill. Jordan is his GOAT but we cannot invalidate what Bron has done for the game
scott williams just explained why the comp was so weak back in the days you got nightmares before playing him is equivalent to sam darnold seeing ghosts lol
Jason Williams explains it perfectly: MJ's era has no double team and no better defensive scheme than we have in today's game period.
I’m looking for some LeBron socks to put next to my original Air Jordan sneakers!
Any arguments about the GOAT debate without including Kobe is a illegitimate conversation, PERIOD!
Imagine Julius "Dr. J" Erving playing against both Jordan and LeBron, all in their prime!
All the old players say they liked Lebron because he would pass them the ball and he is still BY FAR the ALL TIME LEADING SCORER says it all and is still playing
Oakley, never said Bron was the GOAT, he said he'd rather play with Bron because he passed the ball.
Ray Allen is so right. Gary Payton and Kevin Willis had a very good take on the subject too. Wally Szczerbiak also hit it on the head about Jordan, "every time he had to win a game, he did and his mental game was second to none" and he played with Lebron. MJ 6 titles with the same team. Probably would have had a couple more if he wouldn't have walked away for a year and a half in his PRIME. Lebron had to stack his team to win 2 of his and wasn't even the best player for his last title, it was Anthony Davis that year.
Honestly...it's not JUST MJ's records in the finals...it is also his ACCOMPLISHMENTS on the court!
Led the league in scoring 10X (7 straight)...is mind blowing! Led the league in STEALS 3X is just NASTY!
Won DPOTY in just like his 4th year...(88')..and between him and Lebron, he's the only one who scored over 3K points in a season! The best year Lebron had, he only scored 2400+ points!
This argument is on point. "10 x scoring champion and 7 of them straight".
Pg magic; 5
Sg Jordan, 6
Sf James, 4
Pf Duncan,5
C Russell, 11
Id switch james out with bird. Bird is by far the best SF all time. If you need someone to come in clutch and hit big shots I trust Larry a whole lot more. People seem to disrespect larry these days but he had everything except athleticism but he made up for it in everything else. Only thing Lebron has over larry is more seasons and athleticism but those two things doesn't make him better than him.
Lebron body of work is losing more rings than won how is that compared to jordon
Listening to pro players talk about Lebron really make him sound like he’s the Goat. Actually watching him… travels, double dribbles, flopping, complaining on almost every play, charging and fouling on majority of his post plays… sounds like a different player. MJ… poetry with a basketball.
When you see a video of Lebron flopping you see it’s MJ all day. Just shows that players aren’t all that smart!
Ray Allen said it best. Jordan would average 45 points today in his prime
If anyone notices, those who played with Jordan "AFTER" Jordan retired from the Bulls, these guys who played against an old man who was a shell of his former self pick Lebron, those who played against the "BULLS" Michael Jordan ALL SAY JORDAN!!! Kinda stupid to put these dudes in here who never got to play against a prime MJ, but got to play against a Prime Lebron. I watched both very CLOSELY & MJ WAS A KILLER, Lebron is weak minded, a quitter, and racist.
Notice how mostly the good players say Jordan and mostly the people who've actually witnessed his championship runs
people saying MJ never got triple teamed need to go back and watch game videos, Jordan got triple teamed constantly and was a great passer too, it's really hard to triple team someone and not let someone else give up a bucket
I want someone to explain to me how a 6'9 250 pounds of pure muscle guy who is called a freight train wouldn't survive a more physical era. Anyone who thinks that including MJ is ridiculous. He would totally have been dominant in any era.
Both make their teammates better. Lebron raises the floor. Jordan raises the ceiling. One makes their team competitively relevant when they shouldnt, the other makes the opposing team irrelevant when they should be. One played to be great, forget about winning. One played to win, forget about being great.
I can’t stand how people are saying Lebron can’t score like Jordan. Lebron is not that type of player. He’s an all rounder. Bro if Lebron wanted to do what Jordan did he could if he wanted to. He’s bigger faster and stronger. He’s playing in a league that is more strategically adapt due to the natural progression of basketball. AND LEBRON IS ONE OF THE SMARTEST PLAYERS PLAYING NOW! Who was Jordan playing against that compared to the warriors in 2015-2017? Or the Celtics or all this European talent?
Peak vs Longetivity is like:
Graduating only HS as Valedictorian vs
Graduating all the way to College.
or
College Suma cumlaude vs
College w/ honors with doctorate degree
The biggest difference is jordan never lost a finals series, with regular team mste,s ,lebron was alowe to pick player,s for his team
Here’s what I’m hearing:
Team LeBron: Pity for having so much “pressure” on him, longevity, accumulated stats, all-around talent.
Team MJ: Dog mentality, ultimate competitor, killer instinct, winner individually and team wise, league-wide fear/respect.
Saying Brendan Haywood played with both so he’s qualified to compare them. I’m sorry but playing with Jordan during the wizard years doesn’t really count.
MJ just made it look good. Ask all the players that guarded MJ and they called foul for nothing.
MJ is the Goat 🐐. The difference is Cleveland coach wouldn’t even dare to think about take the ball out of MJ hands 🙌🏾 for the last shot. MJ was flawless in Championship Games 6-0.
Please Stop trying to compare Lebron to MJ this is Blasphemous 😂😂😂