Most don’t know what they talking about lol Marz sometimes but his takes hit home because A. The accent and then B. He doesn’t put his feelings into it just stats no sematics ,the problem is context matters more than stats sometimes
@4:35 Kobe literally clamped Ray Allen to 3/14 shooting in game 7 of the 2010 NBA finals; while securing the most defensive rebounds of any player in that game (11 rebounds). I wish I was there to give rebuttle to these terrible takes.
@@YungMustardyou just showed you never played and don't know basketball without playing. Everyone knows and attest players as him and Steph Curry whose running miles in quarters through picks to get open and is the number one 3 point made player ever is insane! 😂💯 Mf you couldn't guard a sharp shooter outta high school let alone the most made 3 point field goals shooter of all time!
Bron had NEVER consistently guarded or played the 5. Stop saying he can guard 1-5. Getting a highlight block here or there is not guarding. I’ll give u 1-4 at best. You would never put any version of bron on a peak Dwight Howard, boogie cousins, Joel embiid, jokic, Kat, etc. checking role players like Tiago splitter does not count. Stop with that dumb shit
Facts bro, they been lying about LeBron his entire career. He was never able to guard 1-5 that always been a myth. Someone like Dennis Rodman actually guarded 1-5
Just because he can guard all five doesnt mean hes doing an effective job, We saw this when he guarded KG. He didnt effect KG scoring ability. He just a body like any other big guy.
THANK YOU LMAOO like Bru I hate that crap…we seen this man hop on 1-5 and the man does not do a good job doing it even in his prime/ peak he’d always guard the worst guy in the floor for most his career now all of a sudden he’s guarding 1-5 …
Yeah, but ultimately LeBron had more responsibilities than Kobe. Being a better help defender also means he had a better overall affect on the defense regardless. He also had tougher perimeter competition, because there were more shooters to account for. Kobe in 2000 to 2004 only has one, MAYBE two, to consider at any time because they were more defensive only guards and wings back then. Look at all the best teams of the last 10 years ... perimeter shooting is at a different stratosphere compared to when Kobe was at his defensive peak. Kobe never had to see insane shit, like a Jokic-Murray two man game.
Marz cooking with the defenders in the 2000s argument. Kobe was the best perimeter defender in the league. He had to compete against the defensive goats of big men
You really want to talk defense. Ok. Lebron finished top 5 in defensive player of the year 5 times. Kobe, who was on twelve all defensive teams, finished in the top 5 for defensive player of the year three times. Lebrons first three times getting defensive player of the year votes where he finished twice in the top 5 and once top 10 coincided with Kobes last three times receiving votes in which he finished outside of the top 10 each time. On top of all this, the GM surveys taken each year had Lebron ranked ahead of Kobe starting in the 2006-2007 season. For the next 13 years, they had Lebron finishing first as the projected MVP 11 times. KD was the leader in votes those 2 years in that 13 year period. Lebron also was chosen 8 times as the player the GM's selected as the guy they would like to build their franchises around. The NBA publications rank Lebron as the 2nd greatest, while Kobe cracks top 5 twice and doesn't make top 10 a couple of times as well. On top of all this,when the atheletic asked 133 present players who the goat is MJ received 45% of the vote, Lebron received 42% and Kobe received 9% of the vote. In my top 20 list, he finishes 10th. I personally believe you can't ride the bench in your first year. You also have to be scoring in your twenties your first year in the league and you should be averaging 25 ppg by your second year.
Look at this cope. Why did you not mention the all defence teams? You list top 5 finishes for dpoy? What a joke. Oh and ask Lebron who the best player was in 2006-7-8-9-10. You know the answer. Kobe. The guy who challenged lebron 1 v 1 on the last play of an all star game, only for lebron to fucking pass!!! Even in a all star game, he didnt want the smoke. Hes such a poser. The players all have kobe over lebron. That fucking super team jumping loser. Who makes super teams and goes 4-6 in the finals?
You are mistaken, did you know that Jordan had problems guarding Magic? AI, John Starks, should I go on... these guys are NBA basketball players... also Terry wasn't his man he plays guard
@@laamkingent1I see you don’t know basketball you like listening to narratives. We all have eyes and LeBron was guarding Jason Terry and Jason Terry was guarding him. MJ didn’t have problems guarding any of the players you name. Let me guess you’re going to say how well Magic did in game 1 of the finals right? If you knew basketball then you would know Magic scored 80% of his baskets in game 1 against another defender not on MJ. MJ was switched on Magic because they needed his scoring and he had to put a lot of energy on the defensive end. now shall i go on? know the game before you respond
I’m a Bron advocate but this make bron fans look crazy everyone knows Kobe Bryant is more skilled and fundamentally sound than bron it’s not even close 💯
Is Kobe more skilled and fundamental though? Is he really? Why did Kobe take some many BAD shots in his career? Why didn't Kobe average more assists? Why was Kobe always out of position of defense?
@@himmie1 the only reason the stats look as close as they do is because teams have let Lebron shoot open shots most of his career because they’re terrified of what he can do in the rim (rightfully so), whereas most Kobe possessions involve at least a double team. Even if you want to argue Bron has a better 3 ball (which i don’t agree with) Kobe is way better from midrange, and he’s a way better FT shooter.
Kobe better post game, better footwork, better handles, better shooting off the dribble, better perimeter defender, better layup AND dunk package. Next
I would flat out say Kobe was a better shooter than LeBron, you don’t even need to say just off the dribble. People never went under a screen on Kobe Bryant. But I don’t think you mentioning handles is a big deal because they both made plays effectively as a whole. Also better layup and dunk package may be true but it’s not as big of a deal as the other points you made given that LeBron is just flat out better from 0-3 feet.
@@donaldf9055 Per basketball reference, efficiency from certain range, Kobe 0-3 ft .637 3-10 ft .437 10-16 ft .430 16-3p .402 3p .329 Giannis 0-3 ft .757 3-10 ft .374 10-16 ft .365 16-3p .362 3p .287 Giannis took most of his shots from the 0-3 ft range, even more than Lebron James, he's a layup merchant like Lebron James, even Lebron shoots better than Giannis 3 ft out, let alone Kobe.
Kobe has a few signature moments on the defense end. 1. Locking up Kyrie on an island by himself with the world anticipating the match up after Kyrie challenged him in the summer. 2. Locking up D Wade picking him up 94 feet and forcing a turnover (Travel). 3. Picking up Lebron 94 feet in the All Star game and locking him up over and over again. I'd argue Lebron was actually scared in this moment and is why he passed the ball during crunch time. 4. Team USA, Kobe was the best defensive player on that team and proved it in practice first and by guarding all the best players.
you gotta stop bringing these lebron glazers up here this shit just getting sad. lebron is a BETTER POST PLAYER?? A BETTER SHOOTER? lmao a joke. then chill is bragging on lebron slowing down a 6’2 & 6’3 POINT GUARD 😂😂😂😂 but NEVER locked up nobody like kd when it mattered most. basing lebron shooting off of ‘FG%’ is clearly a clown take. when lebron never shoots over 40% from outside 5 feet. cmon man these lebron glazers are outstanding. Idk how the defense debate is even serious. When has lebron played Center every night and guarded the best center , not a backup center lol these guys are foolish
@@LAking-hg5yc If lebron guarded point guards it only proves how skilled he was as a defender for a big man that's 6'8 250 pounds, tony parker and derrick rose were one of the fastest and most skilled guards in the NBA lol, that's literally a mis match disadvantage and the fact lebron was still able to guard them proves how good of a defender he was lol, Kobe was only good at guarding his position....Jordan and Kobe fans don't know basketball, y'all are bigger glazer's then lebron James fans.😂😂😂
Marz is the only guy on this panel making sense. Chill hate for Kobe and love for LeBron is hilarious. He seems to lose all sense whenever those two are being argued.
It's funny how Lebron "is faster, stronger, better, more skilled, makes his teammates better, better passer, better scorer, rebounder but yet he won less in more time than Mj and Kobe 🤣
This is such a casual take, everyone knows Kobe winning those awards was a JOKE! Even Phil Jackson said Kobe should not of been winning all those defensive team awards. 5 or 6 of his 1st team defensive awards came with Kobe having a NEGITIVE defensive box +/-.
Anytime someone is making sense when defending lebron it's always bron glazing but if it's Kobe and Jordan to you all everything that they're saying about them is facts, as long they're cyber slurping and riding these 2 players it's all facts.
@@Ghost-rb6cw that’s because your not telling the truth or your missed informed, How many defensive teams Bron have compared with Kobe I’ll wait, Stop being in your feelings and look at the games the proof is in the pudding
@@luckycarter536 D Wade, Jason Kidd, Kyrie Irving too name a few 😁 many more there is many clips and games on RUclips to see the proof all you do is type it in
@jjohnson4013 yall gotta stop with the jj barea shit. The man had like 6-7 ppg in that series. If he was cooking anybody, it was the Lakers. Had them so mad they to flagrant foul him 😂
These dudes throw all logic out for Bron lmaooo. Chill is the worst culprit. Kobe was at the very least considered the best perimeter defender in the league for a few years. Check the GM surveys from like 05-2012.
We gotta stop just erasing players like Jason Kidd, cp3, tyshaun prince, Bruce Bowen from history. Like are we honestly saying 09 Kobe was a better defender than Dwade, and igoudala?
@@jemirtoussaint4940 I’m not saying we can’t consider those guys. All I’m saying is to act like Kobe was never seen as the best is ridiculous when all the evidence is there. If the GMs of the league felt like he was generally #1, or at the very least 2 or 3, we have to acknowledge that. Not even saying just because they’re GMs that means they’re right, but clearly there was a consensus.
@@pimpinb11 I think reputation goes a long way in surveys like these more than actually taking the time to evaluate each of the leagues best defenders but I hear you. Kobe was definitely a dog and respected as such by players and coaches alike
The all amount of defensive teams overrated kobe as a defender Phil Jackson said it himself tbh he was a great defender with shaq but after shaq left he was a really good to ok defender but great defensively in spots just him being asked to do more offensive made him put less energy on defense and that’s ok
@@mamadoubarrie6607 Phil probably has the best insight into Kobe, but I don’t take everything he says seriously because he’s the same man who’s said Kobe was the best he’s ever seen and was more skillful than MJ. Not saying that some of Kobe’s All-Defensive teams weren’t won off of name alone, but then we’d have to say that about a lot of players and their accolades.
@DreDunbar-pd8un I'm sorry...Kobe may not be in the top ten for too much longer...a career 45% shooter. Everyone else currently considered top ten is at or near 50% from the field.
@@michaelawusie1349 lebron is a 69% free throw shooter and finna have the most missed shots all time and got the most turnovers all time 😂😂. Kobe better than lebron 💯💯💯. Mj and Kobe is top 2 all time
Saying LeBron is a better shooter than Kobe is like saying Shaq is a better shooter than Kobe. Guys don’t watch basketball anymore, they just look at a stat sheet. If you know anything, you would know Kobe took a lot of tough shots in his career because of spacing issue the Lakers always had. We never had more than one pure shooter on the court at a time, if that! LeBron lives in the paint up until the latter stages of his career and he still primarily operates there although he has become pretty good from the perimeter. Team early on even in his Heat days would dare LeBron to shoot the ball. You could never leave Kobe open as a matter of fact he was the only one you needed to worry about on his team for the most part of his career. Stop it.
"If you know anything, you would know Kobe took a lot of tough shots in his career because of spacing issue the Lakers always had. We never had more than one pure shooter on the court at a time, if that!"Then how do you explain all of the 50% SHOOTING GOATS from the 80s and 90s when shooting and spacing was even more clogged?
@@michaelawusie1349 because there was no zone defense in the 80’s and 90’s you gum flapping casual. if you know what that is you’d know the spacing was open. Guys could iso a ton more and had far more room to work with. Have you seen MJ games and highlights?
I’m on Kobe’s side but Ron can’t talk basketball. His job should be reading questions and then shut up lol. They brought the dumbest person on the panel to argue for Kobe (Ron) and the biggest LeBron fan boy (LeChillTownPoops) in order to look like LeBron any argument against Kobe for who’s a better defender. In the 2nd half Marz was owning Chilltown with the difference in competition of defenders
Kobe died, Everyone decided to lose there damn minds. Still shoutout to Chill for leaving him out of Top 10, because he just doesn't wanna make sense when it comes to Kobe. Also how do we only have Ron defending Kobe, he is not the best at debating. Oh my thank you Marz.
That’s not tru like how old are you? Are you born in 00s. Bc as someone born in the 90s. Ppl were saying Kobe was top 5-10 all time please stop this. The way players talk about Kobe before and after he passed is literally the same. Please go read articles from 2010 after he won. Kobe is top 10 at the LEAST
@@Kalinbuggs I have was not born in the 2000s. Also i know Kobe is Top 10 and the fact that Chill on the show says he is not is my point. All the sudden Kobe wasn't a good defender and wasn't skilled is wild to me. Idk what articles you are taking about if have some source them, also idk what your point was.
Y’all really think Bron a better defender than Kobe? Is this really an argument ? And why tf hasn’t anybody brought up All defense teams? Why nobody brought up the fact that ppl say Bron guards all 5 positions please name the center he guarded I’ll wait!
I have never seen Bron guard Dwight, KG, Duncan, Dirk, Blake, Shaq, Giannis, Joker, Bam, so how could he guard the 4 and 5? He couldn't even guard Jason Terry. 😂 🤣🙏🏾
The fact that anybody's questioning Kobe not taking the hardest assignment every night means you're not watching basketball. "He only played TMac twice a year" yeah dog for how many years. They matched up at least 10 to 12 times. And Kobe literally talks about him being one of the hardest people he ever had to guard. Do some research before you start talking shit about king Kobe!
Kobe has -better handle -more counters - more areas on the court where he can comfortably get a shot off - more post moves -on ball defense Lebron is -more efficient -better passer -better finisher -better off ball defender
It’s pretty simple if you ask me. Kobe is clearly better at the POA. He was a hound and one of the best ever during the early 2000’s. Lebron is the better help defender as he’s switchable as anyone ever. He can’t guard 1-5 for a whole game but he can do it for some possessions at a high level and can completely blow up a teams action on his own. His physical ability allowed him to plug many holes his teammates might’ve left in the defense. Which skill set you value more is completely up to you but I think team defenders can impact the game in more ways since they’re guarding the floor rather than just one guy most of the time.
@@dre6777 all the time is a stretch. Like I said he was capable of it for periods at a time but I would never tell Lebron to go guard Duncan or Dwight for a full 7 game series
@@jemirtoussaint4940 and also LeBron would guard Duncan in a 7 game series. But there’s no need to. Bosh can hold his own. LeBron needs to be on the perimeter more than down there
If you want to find the most skilled players, look at the shorter, weaker, slower, can't jump players in the league. They could never survive without superior skill, bc they lack in all the important "athletic traits" for a basketball player. Kobe was quick, somewhat tall (compared to other guards), good vertical, long arms, and big hands. Yes he was very skilled compared to most of the league, but he's not on the level of someone like Nash who is short, and not explosive for his size. He's probably not the most skilled though. Just someone that lacks most of the important bball athletic traits I can think of.
Kobe bean Bryant is the literal definition of skill...have you ever seen anybody hit a fadeaway turnaround left handed 3 point shit ...exactly ....your eyes dont lie its kobe...im more of a kyrie fan and others but kobe is the greatest player ive ever seen when it comes to it literally feels like you cant guard someone no matter what you do ..
Bro y’all need to stop the narrative Lebron can guard all 5 positions you’ve never seen Lebron guard any top tier center for a whole game if that was the case he would have stopped Dwight Howard in 09 . He can’t even guard small foward any bucket getting 3 gave 40 on bron Kd , melo , T mac , Paul pierce , kawhi leonard etc
Basketball skill or craft is something you and I can work on in the gym. There is not one basketball skill that Kobe is less than 8/10 at. Keep in mind more skilled doesn't mean better.
But that’s the argument who is more skilled and obviously it’s Kobe maybe lebron stuffs the stat sheets more but Kobe is far more skilled than bron hands down from offense to defense it’s no comparison at all. AT ALL only mj that’s it
Lebron is a better shooter. I hope they never bring bro back on, he wasn’t even being objective. He likes Bron more so he just said Bron was better. Chill was egregious during this segment, he threw his hate cape on. And PG wasn’t being locked up by Bron in ‘14 he put 37 on the Heat in Game 5 while Bron shot 2/10. If his defensive highlights are guarding 2 PGs for a play or two that isn’t impressive at all.
@@MarzTalksSportssome people just can’t take their fan hats off. Salute to you for making Chill look foolish for his best defender in the league take. Everyone diminishes Gobert’s DPOYs because of his lack of comp but they can’t grasp the concept when Bron is involved.
@@jetsettech8804 the numbers say Kobe shoots a way higher percentage on jumpshots and free throws. The eyes tell you kobes jumpshots have a way higher degree of difficulty. the only 'numbers' in brons favour is 3pt% thats literally it. kobe shoots more jumpers,makes a higher percentage of jumpers,makes a higher percentage of free throws and takes and makes more difficult jumpers. so yes youre right the numbers dont lie you just dont know how to interpret them
I told you its klutch sports bro i think that these dudes are getting paid to say the things that they are saying. Offensive prowess there is no way he can complete with kobe bryant and he said it himself at the peak of the original goat debate he said it out of his own mouth that kobe Bryant's skill set is onecof the greatest this league has ever seen
Dude has kno idea what hes talking about. Kobe was never guarding the other team's best player from strat to finish like he claims. There's a reason Ric Fox Ron Harper Robert Horry Gary Payton Trevor Ariza Ron Artest and Lamar Odom were on the Roster.
Kobe's best DBPM season was 1.6. His 2nd best was less than half of that (0.7) Bron had 12 seasons of 1.6 or more, with a best season of 3.7, then 2.8, 2.7, and 8x over 2. Bron led the league for DBPM one season. Kobe never did. For DWS, Kobe topped out at 4.5, with next best 4.3, 4, and 4. Bron had 8 seasons over 4.5, peaking at 6.5, then a 5.7, 5.3, and 5.2. So by peak defense advanced stats, and by consistent defense advanced stats, Bron is much better than Kobe. In fact, Kobe has the worst advanced defensive stats of any reputed top defensive player.
UNC said He “slowed down jamal Murray “ when? Because he averaged 25 the first series they played, 33 the second series they played, and 24 this last series LeBron wasn’t even checking him 😂😂😂..
These mfs dnt know the facts.. how is lebron a better defender if he doesn’t have as much as all defensive teams kobe.. Kobe has 12 all defense and 9 of those are 1st teams… Lebron has 6… like what are we talking about
Utimately LeBron had more responsibilities than Kobe on either side of the ball. Being a better help defender also means he had a better overall affect on the defense regardless. He also had tougher perimeter competition, because there were more shooters to account for. Kobe in 2000 to 2004 only has one, MAYBE two, to consider at any time because they were more defensive only guards and wings back then. Look at all the best teams of the last 10 years ... perimeter shooting is at a different stratosphere compared to when Kobe was at his defensive peak. Kobe never had to see insane shit, like a Jokic-Murray two man game. Marz got tricked into talking about defensive names in eras by Ron. He cooked, but that wasn't even the debate. Even then, despite him bringing up all the shit I said above about shooting in previous videos (like taking away the corner 3 to shrink the floor), he never brought up the difference in perimeter shooting LeBron had to account for vs what Kobe dealt with. Then even if Kobe was a better on-ball defender, it wasn't by a lot (cuz LBJ is a really good on-ball defender), whereas Kobe was a shit off-ball defender compared to LeBron. So overall, LBJ had a much bigger impact on either side of the court than Kobe.
Probably the only real shooter Bron consistently had to guard his entire Career was KD and they didn't even play against each other that much, implying bron had any more responsibility than Bean did is just laughable. Just because bron plays a little different especially when it comes to passing and what not, means nothing when it comes to the role they played for their teams, which is and has always been the same.
Lmao shooting is all you have to worry about now 😂😂😂😂 Lmao who getting to the rack from the 3 now only a select few. All shooting barely any skill in today's NBA.
In 2001 16 year old bron was cooking Ron artest who Kobe had to recruit to his team from the rockets cause he gave Kobe so much trouble also recruited Matt Barnes defensively Lamar Odom ran the offense along with Derrick fisher who also hit most of the biggest shots in the playoffs yall arguments are flawed bron 39 just locked up jokic on the team USA team go actually look bron 09 defensive highlights its damn a half long locking up everybody also Kobe put 55 on Jordan no player including Kobe never put up that on bron yall see he a killer but never killed bron who he wanted to kill the most and bron cooked him everytime it’s no argument yall arguments are based on feelings and not facts bron the goat
Ron artest, tayshaun prince, Tony Allen, dude from Phoenix, Bruce Bowen, Shane Battier, if I thought about could come wit at least 4/5 more. Mannn stop the competition for for best defender in Kobe peak is different
Kobe was never really that great of a defender, he was very early in his career but Kobe's defense fell off a cliff starting around 03-04. Kobe might be one of the most overrated defenders of all time.
Trying to accuse a guy of not being better because he had no defensive moments then can’t find ONE defensive for the guy you say is better is HILARIOUS. This was not the best look Ron😅🤣😅🤣😅🤣
@@dukebaylocksI seen him get stops on Melo I seen him guard wade full court I seen him guard bron and I even seen him shut him down in the all star game. I seen him stop kd a few times like be fr. Individual Kobe could defend. Lebron literally lost finals because “HIS” man not nobody else’s won mvp and couldn’t be stopped while lebron trying to show yall offensively he can stuff the stat sheet that’s what happened against golden state. So focused on keeping his own numbers good he took away from his team and kd ran around doing whatever he want. And mfs said it was because they doubled Steph. Well lebron man took it home for the warriors and averaged a 50/40/90 while he averaged a triple double and barely got one win lol 😂obviously that wasn’t even helping them to win gotta play defense BRON
@@JuwwnDunbar Nah mj is better defender midrange shooter finisher post scorer has better footwork than curry curry has better shooting handles and playmaking than him
Kobe is easily more skilled. LeBron is just stronger, bigger, and faster than him. If Kobe had LeBron's body, he would easily be way better than LeBron. Saying LeBron is more skilled than Kobe is almost like saying Shaq is more skilled than Steve Nash imo. Like yes, Shaq via strenght/body size is way more dominant, but in terms of raw skills, Nash clears.
Kobe is more "clutch" than LeBron James.. Even tho LeBron has the most career playoff buzzer-beaters in NBA history with 3 walk-off playoff 3 point shots 😊
Objectively speak this is extremely fallacious. In one second of a playoffs game LeBron james is 7/12, in the Last 10 Mvp including Kobe bryant is 6/50, LeBron James is light years better than Kobe Bryant in the last 5 seconds, 10 seconds, 24 seconds, 30 seconds and min in a Playoffs game. In elimination games, Eliminating opponents and Game 7s LeBron James is light years better than Kobe Bryant in those situations which are clutch moments when your back is against the wall. It's not even a close argument in the playoffs. Regular season you have a better chance.
@Threezus17 Please stop with the lackluster narrative. We tend to put outrageous expectations on LeBron james and not the same expectations on others players. Kobe Bryant has been atrocious throughout his Finals appearances but his teams win inspire his bad play. Larry bird was a good Finals performer but he wasn't Great in Finals appearance especially with one of the highest pace decades. Wilt was not great throughout his Finals appearances compared to the regular season. I can tell you about ever consensus top 10 player and I can guarantee that other than Michael Jordan LeBron James has out played them throughout the playoffs history.
Handles, post game, his layups way more creative, his in game dunks way more creative, his foot work, his on ball defense. His ability to create a shot off the dribble was better. You can’t be fr
@@Alex-wz9ze if you’re talking about skilled as in how nice and pretty things look then sure, but if you’re talking about actual skill lmao. Nah brons got it.
Yes he has wtf. Do your research before you hate and learn to comprehend. No one is saying he’s a lockdown defender in every position. The point is that if Lebron was to switch on 1-5 we will feel comfortable and confident with him doing it more than 99% of players in nba history. He’s guarded players Steph, Drose, Harden, Oladipo, Kd, Giannis Murray, Duncan, Kg, Dwight, Paul Pierce, Gasol, Draymond, Jokic, Roy H, Kawhi, Westbrook and etc. All of these players he has successfully guarded them in crucial moments numerous times. Draymond and Scottie Pip are the only other 2 that can do that. But Scottie never played against guards like Steph, Rose and Harden. Draymond plays with Steph and didn’t experience prime d rose. So Bron is probably one of the best.
@@CatoProduction you wrote all of that to say absolutely nothing!!! You are correct there is research and data to be done. Research shows LBJ gaurding strictly either the point postion or the 5 postion has taken up less then 3% of his total career minutes combined!!! Almost everybody is NBA history has got matched up with another postion on switches and screen. By numbers and data Jrue Holiday has guarded 4s and 5s more then LBJ has and has been more successful as the primary defender. Nobody speaks on him. I can name others also. Smart, Kidd, AK47, Artest, Allen, KG, etc.
@DreDunbar-pd8un This's why I don't engage in this kind of conversation. I asked how Kobe Bryant is better than LeBron james, and you when spoke about nothing.
I don’t understand why with defense, ppl just talk about 1v1 defense, guarding 1-5, defense accolades, and just simply “he guarded him”. Like what about point of attack, team defense, being able to read passing lanes, deflections, weak side rim protection, how teams have different defensive schemes and how that player is used for it, how players aren’t normally gonna be as good as another player at a defense task/speciality do to their position or the complete opposite of that??? Just saying he guarded him the whole game or he guards multiple positions isn’t really saying nothing. Every player is guarding another player and there are other players who guard multiple positions too but what exactly are they doing to make the player their guarding less effective on offense and how well do they guard multiple positions?
Only Kobe fan boys claim he was the most skilled player ever lol. The dream hands down is the most skilled player and it’s not even close. Who y’all know was top 5 in all statistical categories during their career and he did that multiple times
Such a lie hater 😂😂😂 he just was guarding and locking up joker he’s gaurded back to the basket bigs and all sorts it’s common sense he can gaurd all positions we’ve all watched him do it genius hes big enough strong enough and fast he’s almost as tall as a big man he has the weight and the strength to gaurd bigs he’s literally played the center position himself plenty times stop the hate
17:20 then that Cavs team went against the better defender in Dwight that very year and bron got his ass whooped by the magic . Dwight’s impact defensively was much more for his team than bron was for the Cavs in 09
Y'all know dam well bron didn't guard the best defender stop it everyone says the same thing about him and he can't guard 1-5 i hate when people say that cause it's literally evidence of him not doing that
Bro this argument makes half the guys look so ignorant. Marz be saving this podcast half the time lmao
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I love watching 24 year-old Marz educate the king of casuals Chill Town
Most don’t know what they talking about lol Marz sometimes but his takes hit home because A. The accent and then B. He doesn’t put his feelings into it just stats no sematics ,the problem is context matters more than stats sometimes
@@nopanic3186 Marz trolls them too much but I agree w a lot of his serious takes
Marz is a casual too lol smh
@4:35 Kobe literally clamped Ray Allen to 3/14 shooting in game 7 of the 2010 NBA finals; while securing the most defensive rebounds of any player in that game (11 rebounds). I wish I was there to give rebuttle to these terrible takes.
Locking up 2010 Ray Allen is not that impressive bruh lmaooo
A guy who put up 50 on the bulls and was on a heater damn near shooting 45% from three your high fam 😂💯
@@YungMustardyou just showed you never played and don't know basketball without playing. Everyone knows and attest players as him and Steph Curry whose running miles in quarters through picks to get open and is the number one 3 point made player ever is insane! 😂💯 Mf you couldn't guard a sharp shooter outta high school let alone the most made 3 point field goals shooter of all time!
Kobe shot like 35% fg that game
@@YungMustardwas Ray Allen not considered a member of the Big 3?
Chill is the biggest Lebron glazer ever like bro get off your knees 😂 marz cooked him
Naw I know some glazier worse
Bron had NEVER consistently guarded or played the 5. Stop saying he can guard 1-5. Getting a highlight block here or there is not guarding. I’ll give u 1-4 at best. You would never put any version of bron on a peak Dwight Howard, boogie cousins, Joel embiid, jokic, Kat, etc. checking role players like Tiago splitter does not count. Stop with that dumb shit
Exactly bro this shit is getting outta hand😂
Thank you
Facts bro, they been lying about LeBron his entire career. He was never able to guard 1-5 that always been a myth. Someone like Dennis Rodman actually guarded 1-5
Lmao ninjas tried to slip Kat in there
I say 2 through 4
Just because he can guard all five doesnt mean hes doing an effective job, We saw this when he guarded KG. He didnt effect KG scoring ability. He just a body like any other big guy.
And MJ would ?? MJ wouldn’t be able to guard KG okay stop it
@@diior9353 WHO IS TALKING ABOUT MJ?????
THANK YOU LMAOO like Bru I hate that crap…we seen this man hop on 1-5 and the man does not do a good job doing it even in his prime/ peak he’d always guard the worst guy in the floor for most his career now all of a sudden he’s guarding 1-5 …
@@MarzTalksSportsthese dudes sad lol like nobody even Jordan’s fans say he can guard 1-5 so why is he brought up ?
Yeah, but ultimately LeBron had more responsibilities than Kobe. Being a better help defender also means he had a better overall affect on the defense regardless. He also had tougher perimeter competition, because there were more shooters to account for.
Kobe in 2000 to 2004 only has one, MAYBE two, to consider at any time because they were more defensive only guards and wings back then.
Look at all the best teams of the last 10 years ... perimeter shooting is at a different stratosphere compared to when Kobe was at his defensive peak. Kobe never had to see insane shit, like a Jokic-Murray two man game.
Marz cooking with the defenders in the 2000s argument. Kobe was the best perimeter defender in the league. He had to compete against the defensive goats of big men
thinking kobe was an elite defender in 2024 is crazy lmaooo
Ok bro. He was. Stop it with the revisionist history
@@rydercollins5553lol shut up
You really want to talk defense. Ok. Lebron finished top 5 in defensive player of the year 5 times. Kobe, who was on twelve all defensive teams, finished in the top 5 for defensive player of the year three times. Lebrons first three times getting defensive player of the year votes where he finished twice in the top 5 and once top 10 coincided with Kobes last three times receiving votes in which he finished outside of the top 10 each time. On top of all this, the GM surveys taken each year had Lebron ranked ahead of Kobe starting in the 2006-2007 season. For the next 13 years, they had Lebron finishing first as the projected MVP 11 times. KD was the leader in votes those 2 years in that 13 year period. Lebron also was chosen 8 times as the player the GM's selected as the guy they would like to build their franchises around. The NBA publications rank Lebron as the 2nd greatest, while Kobe cracks top 5 twice and doesn't make top 10 a couple of times as well. On top of all this,when the atheletic asked 133 present players who the goat is MJ received 45% of the vote, Lebron received 42% and Kobe received 9% of the vote. In my top 20 list, he finishes 10th. I personally believe you can't ride the bench in your first year. You also have to be scoring in your twenties your first year in the league and you should be averaging 25 ppg by your second year.
Look at this cope. Why did you not mention the all defence teams? You list top 5 finishes for dpoy? What a joke. Oh and ask Lebron who the best player was in 2006-7-8-9-10. You know the answer. Kobe. The guy who challenged lebron 1 v 1 on the last play of an all star game, only for lebron to fucking pass!!! Even in a all star game, he didnt want the smoke. Hes such a poser. The players all have kobe over lebron. That fucking super team jumping loser. Who makes super teams and goes 4-6 in the finals?
If am not mistaking, Lebron had trouble containing Jason Terry in 2011….
Facts
Exactly bro. He has no idea what he’s talking about
You are mistaken, did you know that Jordan had problems guarding Magic? AI, John Starks, should I go on... these guys are NBA basketball players... also Terry wasn't his man he plays guard
@@laamkingent1I see you don’t know basketball you like listening to narratives. We all have eyes and LeBron was guarding Jason Terry and Jason Terry was guarding him. MJ didn’t have problems guarding any of the players you name. Let me guess you’re going to say how well Magic did in game 1 of the finals right? If you knew basketball then you would know Magic scored 80% of his baskets in game 1 against another defender not on MJ. MJ was switched on Magic because they needed his scoring and he had to put a lot of energy on the defensive end. now shall i go on? know the game before you respond
So did Kobe lol. Lakers got swept because Jason Terry was lights out
I’m a Bron advocate but this make bron fans look crazy everyone knows Kobe Bryant is more skilled and fundamentally sound than bron it’s not even close 💯
Facts bro for you to admit this. Just bc he’s more skilled doesn’t mean he’s better.
🧢
How is he?
Is Kobe more skilled and fundamental though? Is he really?
Why did Kobe take some many BAD shots in his career? Why didn't Kobe average more assists? Why was Kobe always out of position of defense?
@@jacoblee5796 casual
What the hell did Kobe do to Chill 😂😂
On wat doe. He gotta clear bias for Bron and it’s menstruating
He embarrassed chill in a 1v1. You seriously don't know 😂?
Chill and Shaq are cousins
I been wanting to know for years
And it's WHAT??? @@suscommentary8855
40 seconds in and I was spazzing out like Marz when I heard “Lebron a better shooter”
people be CHATTING
@@MarzTalksSports you cooked Chiltown again
Lebron is a better shooter. We have statistics that show that clearly
@@himmie1what statistics?
@@himmie1 the only reason the stats look as close as they do is because teams have let Lebron shoot open shots most of his career because they’re terrified of what he can do in the rim (rightfully so), whereas most Kobe possessions involve at least a double team. Even if you want to argue Bron has a better 3 ball (which i don’t agree with) Kobe is way better from midrange, and he’s a way better FT shooter.
Kobe better post game, better footwork, better handles, better shooting off the dribble, better perimeter defender, better layup AND dunk package. Next
I would flat out say Kobe was a better shooter than LeBron, you don’t even need to say just off the dribble. People never went under a screen on Kobe Bryant. But I don’t think you mentioning handles is a big deal because they both made plays effectively as a whole. Also better layup and dunk package may be true but it’s not as big of a deal as the other points you made given that LeBron is just flat out better from 0-3 feet.
Kobe was a better defender then Lebron Kobe 12x all defense team Lebron 6x
@@jjohnson4013 yeah that was already established
Yet end up being inefficient all time.
Big Facts
😂😂 hey Marz man your face when dude said Bron was a better shooter 😂 I feel you right there bro.
INSANE
I mean giannis is a better shooter than Kobe so....
@@donaldf9055what?
@@donaldf9055 Per basketball reference, efficiency from certain range,
Kobe
0-3 ft .637
3-10 ft .437
10-16 ft .430
16-3p .402
3p .329
Giannis
0-3 ft .757
3-10 ft .374
10-16 ft .365
16-3p .362
3p .287
Giannis took most of his shots from the 0-3 ft range, even more than Lebron James, he's a layup merchant like Lebron James, even Lebron shoots better than Giannis 3 ft out, let alone Kobe.
All y'all replying to my troll comment should get that d out yo mouth 😂.
Kobe is the most skilled basketball player ever
Mhhhh
Kyrie
Not more than Jordan but I’m guessing you have Jordan second then
Kobe or bird
No he’s not Lebron is better at other things and Kobe is not better than Jordan
Kobe has a few signature moments on the defense end. 1. Locking up Kyrie on an island by himself with the world anticipating the match up after Kyrie challenged him in the summer. 2. Locking up D Wade picking him up 94 feet and forcing a turnover (Travel). 3. Picking up Lebron 94 feet in the All Star game and locking him up over and over again. I'd argue Lebron was actually scared in this moment and is why he passed the ball during crunch time. 4. Team USA, Kobe was the best defensive player on that team and proved it in practice first and by guarding all the best players.
Thank you.
Nond of that shit was in the playoffs or important games in thw Nba. You mentioned an ALL STAR GAME? Gtfoh
All of those nice but the one y’all really looking for is second half vs tmac locks him up and drops 30+… look it up.
@@CatoProduction yea the all star game used to be extremely competitive believe it or not.
Facts machine
Chill. I seen kobe in his 30s. Full court shut down prime wade... facts
you gotta stop bringing these lebron glazers up here this shit just getting sad. lebron is a BETTER POST PLAYER?? A BETTER SHOOTER? lmao a joke. then chill is bragging on lebron slowing down a 6’2 & 6’3 POINT GUARD 😂😂😂😂 but NEVER locked up nobody like kd when it mattered most. basing lebron shooting off of ‘FG%’ is clearly a clown take. when lebron never shoots over 40% from outside 5 feet. cmon man these lebron glazers are outstanding. Idk how the defense debate is even serious. When has lebron played Center every night and guarded the best center , not a backup center lol these guys are foolish
That’s why the channel been so boring they bring these guys on here with no basketball knowledge
Guarded 2 6 foot point guards who couldn’t shoot for a few possessions at the end of games that was the beginning of his defensive reputation.
Lol so Kobe was good enough to shoot better then lebron from outside of 3 feet but he couldn't shoot better from behind the 3pt line???? 🤡
@@LAking-hg5yc If lebron guarded point guards it only proves how skilled he was as a defender for a big man that's 6'8 250 pounds, tony parker and derrick rose were one of the fastest and most skilled guards in the NBA lol, that's literally a mis match disadvantage and the fact lebron was still able to guard them proves how good of a defender he was lol, Kobe was only good at guarding his position....Jordan and Kobe fans don't know basketball, y'all are bigger glazer's then lebron James fans.😂😂😂
Kobe couldn't guard KD either
Marz is the only guy on this panel making sense. Chill hate for Kobe and love for LeBron is hilarious. He seems to lose all sense whenever those two are being argued.
TMac call chill a clown and said he doesnt know basketball
It's funny how Lebron "is faster, stronger, better, more skilled, makes his teammates better, better passer, better scorer, rebounder but yet he won less in more time than Mj and Kobe 🤣
Exactly
U forgot, he’s a basketball savant 😂😂😂😂
@@willhunter9584 🤣
@@CabralCreates the epitome of pissin on ya head nd tellin u it’s rain smfh
This logic is insane bc Kobe had fucking SHAQ@@CabralCreates
Brons had a 20 year peak and still has less all defensive teams that Bryant..
Only has 6 while Kobe is a 12x all defense team
This is such a casual take, everyone knows Kobe winning those awards was a JOKE! Even Phil Jackson said Kobe should not of been winning all those defensive team awards. 5 or 6 of his 1st team defensive awards came with Kobe having a NEGITIVE defensive box +/-.
Kobe played 20 seasons and only got 1 MVP and 2 FMVP🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤡
@@jacoblee5796Kobe is a top 15 defender all time and Kobe is the goat 🐐🐐🐐
@@toxicfresh9773Kobe won the most all star MVPs in NBA history (4). 10 x first team defense selections. Kobe is the goat 🐐🐐🐐🐐
Mars didn’t have to get in his bag like that lmao
What bag?
The Bron glazing is real 😂
Anytime someone is making sense when defending lebron it's always bron glazing but if it's Kobe and Jordan to you all everything that they're saying about them is facts, as long they're cyber slurping and riding these 2 players it's all facts.
Right. It got quiet for a reason when the question was asked, "what were the signature moments where Bryant locked somebody up"?
@@Ghost-rb6cw that’s because your not telling the truth or your missed informed, How many defensive teams Bron have compared with Kobe I’ll wait, Stop being in your feelings and look at the games the proof is in the pudding
@@Ghost-rb6cw follow your own advice sir
@@luckycarter536 D Wade, Jason Kidd, Kyrie Irving too name a few 😁 many more there is many clips and games on RUclips to see the proof all you do is type it in
Marz cooked chill. Chill is just a Kobe hater, nothing he says about Kobe should be listened to..
He ain’t no hater, he’s right Bron over Kobe any day
@@tonydegante7449 Not skill wise
He is hating you sound dumb@@tonydegante7449
@@tonydegante7449Kobe more skilled
@@terencebryson1990 not a chance! Bron over Kobe any day!
Tony Parker used to cook LeBron what you talking about?
Jason Terry JJ Brea
No he wasn’t how y’all get on here and just lie
NGL in them 2013 finals especially game 6 Bron had tony parker in jail lol
@jjohnson4013 yall gotta stop with the jj barea shit. The man had like 6-7 ppg in that series. If he was cooking anybody, it was the Lakers. Had them so mad they to flagrant foul him 😂
@@BLee09he went off a game tho jj did he was nice
These dudes throw all logic out for Bron lmaooo. Chill is the worst culprit. Kobe was at the very least considered the best perimeter defender in the league for a few years. Check the GM surveys from like 05-2012.
We gotta stop just erasing players like Jason Kidd, cp3, tyshaun prince, Bruce Bowen from history. Like are we honestly saying 09 Kobe was a better defender than Dwade, and igoudala?
@@jemirtoussaint4940 I’m not saying we can’t consider those guys. All I’m saying is to act like Kobe was never seen as the best is ridiculous when all the evidence is there. If the GMs of the league felt like he was generally #1, or at the very least 2 or 3, we have to acknowledge that. Not even saying just because they’re GMs that means they’re right, but clearly there was a consensus.
@@pimpinb11 I think reputation goes a long way in surveys like these more than actually taking the time to evaluate each of the leagues best defenders but I hear you. Kobe was definitely a dog and respected as such by players and coaches alike
The all amount of defensive teams overrated kobe as a defender Phil Jackson said it himself tbh he was a great defender with shaq but after shaq left he was a really good to ok defender but great defensively in spots just him being asked to do more offensive made him put less energy on defense and that’s ok
@@mamadoubarrie6607 Phil probably has the best insight into Kobe, but I don’t take everything he says seriously because he’s the same man who’s said Kobe was the best he’s ever seen and was more skillful than MJ. Not saying that some of Kobe’s All-Defensive teams weren’t won off of name alone, but then we’d have to say that about a lot of players and their accolades.
Marz hit them wit facts everybody got pissed😂😂
I love watching that young genius Marz educate that casual Chill Town
The young bull is schooling these dudes
Why argue when the players have told us that Kobe is more skilled than Lebron!
Because their only NBA players who played against both of them what do they know 😂😂😂😂😂
@@Serve3000😂😂😂😂right
They could be haters too. It’s not like it’s a concise fact. It’s another human’s opinion.
Which "players"?
Why argue when all players have LeBron over Kobe
Kobe is way more skilled then bron stop playint
It really shouldn't be a discussion
Which is crazy bc you can still say Lebron was better but Kobe was definitely more skilled
@@Kalinbuggskobe overall better than lebron 💯💯
.Kobe is the goat 🐐🐐
@DreDunbar-pd8un I'm sorry...Kobe may not be in the top ten for too much longer...a career 45% shooter. Everyone else currently considered top ten is at or near 50% from the field.
@@michaelawusie1349 lebron is a 69% free throw shooter and finna have the most missed shots all time and got the most turnovers all time 😂😂. Kobe better than lebron 💯💯💯. Mj and Kobe is top 2 all time
Saying LeBron is a better shooter than Kobe is like saying Shaq is a better shooter than Kobe. Guys don’t watch basketball anymore, they just look at a stat sheet. If you know anything, you would know Kobe took a lot of tough shots in his career because of spacing issue the Lakers always had. We never had more than one pure shooter on the court at a time, if that! LeBron lives in the paint up until the latter stages of his career and he still primarily operates there although he has become pretty good from the perimeter. Team early on even in his Heat days would dare LeBron to shoot the ball. You could never leave Kobe open as a matter of fact he was the only one you needed to worry about on his team for the most part of his career. Stop it.
"If you know anything, you would know Kobe took a lot of tough shots in his career because of spacing issue the Lakers always had. We never had more than one pure shooter on the court at a time, if that!"Then how do you explain all of the 50% SHOOTING GOATS from the 80s and 90s when shooting and spacing was even more clogged?
Wow you must forgot how many bricks and air balls Kobe shot up😂😂
@@michaelawusie1349 because there was no zone defense in the 80’s and 90’s you gum flapping casual. if you know what that is you’d know the spacing was open. Guys could iso a ton more and had far more room to work with. Have you seen MJ games and highlights?
@@Knowledge.Seeker100ok? Y’all just say dumb shit and think it does something
30 seconds, and Google 😆 get out your feelings.
That guy was bugging at the start but Ron just started bullshitting
LITERALLY
I’m on Kobe’s side but Ron can’t talk basketball. His job should be reading questions and then shut up lol. They brought the dumbest person on the panel to argue for Kobe (Ron) and the biggest LeBron fan boy (LeChillTownPoops) in order to look like LeBron any argument against Kobe for who’s a better defender. In the 2nd half Marz was owning Chilltown with the difference in competition of defenders
So, on the Redeem Team, who was brought in for leading the defensive charge when we had Wade, Carmello and LeBron on the team?
Yall keep changing the convo. SKILL FOR SKILL ITS KOBE
Kobe died, Everyone decided to lose there damn minds. Still shoutout to Chill for leaving him out of Top 10, because he just doesn't wanna make sense when it comes to Kobe. Also how do we only have Ron defending Kobe, he is not the best at debating. Oh my thank you Marz.
FACTS
Shut yo non hooping ass up . Y’all be tryna rewrite history
That’s not tru like how old are you? Are you born in 00s. Bc as someone born in the 90s. Ppl were saying Kobe was top 5-10 all time please stop this. The way players talk about Kobe before and after he passed is literally the same. Please go read articles from 2010 after he won. Kobe is top 10 at the LEAST
@@Kalinbuggs I have was not born in the 2000s. Also i know Kobe is Top 10 and the fact that Chill on the show says he is not is my point. All the sudden Kobe wasn't a good defender and wasn't skilled is wild to me. Idk what articles you are taking about if have some source them, also idk what your point was.
@@birdz9252 I am sorry ✊🏽💯
Y’all really think Bron a better defender than Kobe? Is this really an argument ? And why tf hasn’t anybody brought up All defense teams? Why nobody brought up the fact that ppl say Bron guards all 5 positions please name the center he guarded I’ll wait!
They just repeating big media glazers. They didn’t watch for themselves.
Tiago Splitter 😂😂
You're a braindead fanboy. Im taking the 6"9 super athlete
@@terencebryson1990😂😂😂😂😂😂
I have never seen Bron guard Dwight, KG, Duncan, Dirk, Blake, Shaq, Giannis, Joker, Bam, so how could he guard the 4 and 5? He couldn't even guard Jason Terry. 😂 🤣🙏🏾
Exactly that’s such a myth to big him up smh
The fact that anybody's questioning Kobe not taking the hardest assignment every night means you're not watching basketball.
"He only played TMac twice a year" yeah dog for how many years. They matched up at least 10 to 12 times. And Kobe literally talks about him being one of the hardest people he ever had to guard. Do some research before you start talking shit about king Kobe!
Kobe has
-better handle
-more counters
- more areas on the court where he can comfortably get a shot off
- more post moves
-on ball defense
Lebron is
-more efficient
-better passer
-better finisher
-better off ball defender
Efficiency is meaningless lol James is only better on the fast break because of his size besides that Kobe is also an elite passer
Lebron is not a better finisher than Kobe. And efficiency when 79 % of your field goals are layups and dunks you better be efficient
@@diegochavez6203Kobe is not a good passer average at best tbh
It’s pretty simple if you ask me. Kobe is clearly better at the POA. He was a hound and one of the best ever during the early 2000’s. Lebron is the better help defender as he’s switchable as anyone ever. He can’t guard 1-5 for a whole game but he can do it for some possessions at a high level and can completely blow up a teams action on his own. His physical ability allowed him to plug many holes his teammates might’ve left in the defense.
Which skill set you value more is completely up to you but I think team defenders can impact the game in more ways since they’re guarding the floor rather than just one guy most of the time.
Cook
2013 lebron can guard 1-5 all the time lol
@@dre6777 all the time is a stretch. Like I said he was capable of it for periods at a time but I would never tell Lebron to go guard Duncan or Dwight for a full 7 game series
@@jemirtoussaint4940 Not really. What Miami did back in 2013 was always run switch when the screen setter who lebron was guarding and always switch.
@@jemirtoussaint4940 and also LeBron would guard Duncan in a 7 game series. But there’s no need to. Bosh can hold his own. LeBron needs to be on the perimeter more than down there
Kobe and kyrie are the most skilled
Easily.
Kyrie and KD is the most offensively skilled ever. Kobe was levels ahead of em defensively
Point blank period
If you want to find the most skilled players, look at the shorter, weaker, slower, can't jump players in the league. They could never survive without superior skill, bc they lack in all the important "athletic traits" for a basketball player. Kobe was quick, somewhat tall (compared to other guards), good vertical, long arms, and big hands. Yes he was very skilled compared to most of the league, but he's not on the level of someone like Nash who is short, and not explosive for his size. He's probably not the most skilled though. Just someone that lacks most of the important bball athletic traits I can think of.
@@rlh12345 Kobe wasn’t the most athletic
Chill: “lebron was better than those guys”
Marz: “lebron was not better than Tim Duncan”
Chill: “I didn’t say he was better”😂😂😂😂
Literally
Because emotions kicked in not logic and eyes lmao
Casual Chill got emotional when he heard facts about his boyfriend LeBron. What else is new?
@@thsu8i agree he get mad when you bring real facts and trying to defender his boyfriend Lebron 😂
Murray still averaged 25 ppg in that series against the lakers in 2020.
Still lost
@@N33zy23😂😂
Kobe bean Bryant is the literal definition of skill...have you ever seen anybody hit a fadeaway turnaround left handed 3 point shit ...exactly ....your eyes dont lie its kobe...im more of a kyrie fan and others but kobe is the greatest player ive ever seen when it comes to it literally feels like you cant guard someone no matter what you do ..
No one would take a stupid shot like that, I'll take Lebron who would pass the ball and get an assist.
Bron has hit a turnaround fadeaway game winner from three with .1 second left on the shot clock remaining for game.
Bro y’all need to stop the narrative Lebron can guard all 5 positions you’ve never seen Lebron guard any top tier center for a whole game if that was the case he would have stopped Dwight Howard in 09 . He can’t even guard small foward any bucket getting 3 gave 40 on bron
Kd , melo , T mac , Paul pierce , kawhi leonard etc
Basketball skill or craft is something you and I can work on in the gym. There is not one basketball skill that Kobe is less than 8/10 at. Keep in mind more skilled doesn't mean better.
But that’s the argument who is more skilled and obviously it’s Kobe maybe lebron stuffs the stat sheets more but Kobe is far more skilled than bron hands down from offense to defense it’s no comparison at all. AT ALL only mj that’s it
Lebron is a better shooter. I hope they never bring bro back on, he wasn’t even being objective. He likes Bron more so he just said Bron was better. Chill was egregious during this segment, he threw his hate cape on.
And PG wasn’t being locked up by Bron in ‘14 he put 37 on the Heat in Game 5 while Bron shot 2/10. If his defensive highlights are guarding 2 PGs for a play or two that isn’t impressive at all.
In the year 2024 we are saying Lebron shoots the basketball better than Kobe bryant. the worlds gone mad
@@MarzTalksSports numbers dont lie.
@@MarzTalksSportssome people just can’t take their fan hats off. Salute to you for making Chill look foolish for his best defender in the league take. Everyone diminishes Gobert’s DPOYs because of his lack of comp but they can’t grasp the concept when Bron is involved.
@@jetsettech8804 the numbers say Kobe shoots a way higher percentage on jumpshots and free throws. The eyes tell you kobes jumpshots have a way higher degree of difficulty. the only 'numbers' in brons favour is 3pt% thats literally it. kobe shoots more jumpers,makes a higher percentage of jumpers,makes a higher percentage of free throws and takes and makes more difficult jumpers. so yes youre right the numbers dont lie you just dont know how to interpret them
@@MarzTalksSports sad this needs an explanation
Bron isn’t even top 20 most skilled. He’s just. 6’9 260 freakishly athletic with decent skills.
That's cap bron up there ngl
@@ijn2477no he not im sorry bro
@@Wedarealsinnascook!
@@ijn2477you just lied
@@ijn2477Bron most definitely not top 20 all time in skills
Defending more positions isn't skill, its a physical attribute.
There’s more highlights of drose cooking dwade and lebron than lebron locking up drose…
Probably because they are highlights? Y’all say anything
Yea… highlights
To think they needed 3 all stars to take out Rose
@@suntansuperman26Yall had Noah a dpoy, Boozer and Luel Deng. Stop hating.
@@CatoProduction Miami was still the superteam between these 2 teams, it is what it is
I told you its klutch sports bro i think that these dudes are getting paid to say the things that they are saying. Offensive prowess there is no way he can complete with kobe bryant and he said it himself at the peak of the original goat debate he said it out of his own mouth that kobe Bryant's skill set is onecof the greatest this league has ever seen
Dude has kno idea what hes talking about. Kobe was never guarding the other team's best player from strat to finish like he claims. There's a reason Ric Fox Ron Harper Robert Horry Gary Payton Trevor Ariza Ron Artest and Lamar Odom were on the Roster.
Standing in front of an offensive player doesn’t equal being a better defender or being able to defend all 5 positions.
Derrick rose seen 3-4 defenders before bron decided to get on him. He was already gassed from carrying a team that lacked any offense outside of D🌹
Kobe clearly a better defender than
Kobe's best DBPM season was 1.6. His 2nd best was less than half of that (0.7)
Bron had 12 seasons of 1.6 or more, with a best season of 3.7, then 2.8, 2.7, and 8x over 2. Bron led the league for DBPM one season. Kobe never did.
For DWS, Kobe topped out at 4.5, with next best 4.3, 4, and 4.
Bron had 8 seasons over 4.5, peaking at 6.5, then a 5.7, 5.3, and 5.2.
So by peak defense advanced stats, and by consistent defense advanced stats, Bron is much better than Kobe.
In fact, Kobe has the worst advanced defensive stats of any reputed top defensive player.
Chill is a certified Kobe hater!!!
Marz really fried these dudes
It’s funny how lebron this all time great defender 1-5 but when dirk was lighting Chris Bosh ass up in 2011 lebron didn’t want nun of that 😂😂😂
Exactly 😂
Kobe is 5x more skilled than Lesteroid James. 💯
🤡
Don't mean a damn thing cuz LeBron's the better player
Still not done with the corny Le- jokes 😮💨. 21 years of this lame name joke
@@Rickyspanish717 that's how you know LeBron is great cuz he make people like you complain like a little sissy
In your case you can't fix stupid
UNC said He “slowed down jamal Murray “ when? Because he averaged 25 the first series they played, 33 the second series they played, and 24 this last series LeBron wasn’t even checking him 😂😂😂..
These mfs dnt know the facts.. how is lebron a better defender if he doesn’t have as much as all defensive teams kobe.. Kobe has 12 all defense and 9 of those are 1st teams… Lebron has 6… like what are we talking about
Utimately LeBron had more responsibilities than Kobe on either side of the ball. Being a better help defender also means he had a better overall affect on the defense regardless. He also had tougher perimeter competition, because there were more shooters to account for.
Kobe in 2000 to 2004 only has one, MAYBE two, to consider at any time because they were more defensive only guards and wings back then.
Look at all the best teams of the last 10 years ... perimeter shooting is at a different stratosphere compared to when Kobe was at his defensive peak. Kobe never had to see insane shit, like a Jokic-Murray two man game.
Marz got tricked into talking about defensive names in eras by Ron. He cooked, but that wasn't even the debate. Even then, despite him bringing up all the shit I said above about shooting in previous videos (like taking away the corner 3 to shrink the floor), he never brought up the difference in perimeter shooting LeBron had to account for vs what Kobe dealt with.
Then even if Kobe was a better on-ball defender, it wasn't by a lot (cuz LBJ is a really good on-ball defender), whereas Kobe was a shit off-ball defender compared to LeBron. So overall, LBJ had a much bigger impact on either side of the court than Kobe.
Big facts bro well said 💯💪🏿
Cap
Careful. They’ll say you’re glazing for this take
Probably the only real shooter Bron consistently had to guard his entire Career was KD and they didn't even play against each other that much, implying bron had any more responsibility than Bean did is just laughable. Just because bron plays a little different especially when it comes to passing and what not, means nothing when it comes to the role they played for their teams, which is and has always been the same.
Lmao shooting is all you have to worry about now 😂😂😂😂 Lmao who getting to the rack from the 3 now only a select few. All shooting barely any skill in today's NBA.
Kobe has more first team all defensive than Lebron
Kobe is a 5 level scorer,
Lebron is a 1.5 level scorer.
Yet Lebron is the all time leading scorer Has a better field goal percentage and three point percent.
Downgrade Kobe 3 Lebron 5
40,000 Points
Yet when LBJ passed Kobe on the all time scoring list he did so 1880 less shots.
@@jacoblee5796That argument of people saying mj and kobj are better scorer but are less efficient than lbj is funny .
@@lex6794fpg ? Is that how on target a basket Is
In 2001 16 year old bron was cooking Ron artest who Kobe had to recruit to his team from the rockets cause he gave Kobe so much trouble also recruited Matt Barnes defensively Lamar Odom ran the offense along with Derrick fisher who also hit most of the biggest shots in the playoffs yall arguments are flawed bron 39 just locked up jokic on the team USA team go actually look bron 09 defensive highlights its damn a half long locking up everybody also Kobe put 55 on Jordan no player including Kobe never put up that on bron yall see he a killer but never killed bron who he wanted to kill the most and bron cooked him everytime it’s no argument yall arguments are based on feelings and not facts bron the goat
Lebron is quite literally the most versatile player oat. Versatility = skill. Lebron can do everything Kobe does and more
Bron got cooked by 5s in his prime. He could never guard all 5 positions. And Bron field goal percentage is higher cuz he a freight train. Geez laweez
Goalpost just traveling everywhere
For everybodyy
Roy hibbert was a better defender than Lebron during his Miami years
😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 stop it
Hibbert was most def a better defender at that time
@@dewanewelch1744what Ong I can’t still if you trolling or if you serious
Imagine glazing so hard they have to edit you out the video 😂
Ron artest, tayshaun prince, Tony Allen, dude from Phoenix, Bruce Bowen, Shane Battier, if I thought about could come wit at least 4/5 more. Mannn stop the competition for for best defender in Kobe peak is different
Kobe was never really that great of a defender, he was very early in his career but Kobe's defense fell off a cliff starting around 03-04.
Kobe might be one of the most overrated defenders of all time.
Trying to accuse a guy of not being better because he had no defensive moments then can’t find ONE defensive for the guy you say is better is HILARIOUS. This was not the best look Ron😅🤣😅🤣😅🤣
Kobe wasn’t 9x All defensive 1st team for nothing
@@Sagittariusking-k9p You’re a very strong man for moving the goalposts like that😅🤣😅🤣😅🤣
@@dukebaylocksI seen him get stops on Melo I seen him guard wade full court I seen him guard bron and I even seen him shut him down in the all star game. I seen him stop kd a few times like be fr. Individual Kobe could defend. Lebron literally lost finals because “HIS” man not nobody else’s won mvp and couldn’t be stopped while lebron trying to show yall offensively he can stuff the stat sheet that’s what happened against golden state. So focused on keeping his own numbers good he took away from his team and kd ran around doing whatever he want. And mfs said it was because they doubled Steph. Well lebron man took it home for the warriors and averaged a 50/40/90 while he averaged a triple double and barely got one win lol 😂obviously that wasn’t even helping them to win gotta play defense BRON
So your comparing consistency to one or two moments in a players career you are hilarious 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@reggp1 I didn’t compare anything SIR. Nice try tho😅🤣😅🤣😅🤣
Kobe Is Top 3 most skilled, in no order.
MJ
Kobe
Kyrie
More like kyrie kobe mj curry kevin durant tmac carmelo Hakeem
Kobe, Kyrie and curry is top 3
@@JuwwnDunbar Nah mj is better defender midrange shooter finisher post scorer has better footwork than curry curry has better shooting handles and playmaking than him
@@Goatfan2k curry more skilled than MJ it's facts 💯💯💯💯. Top 5 most skilled players all time in order 1. Kobe 2. Kyrie 3. Curry 4. Hakeem 5. MJ / kd
@@JuwwnDunbar in what way tell me using the eye test
Kobe is easily more skilled. LeBron is just stronger, bigger, and faster than him. If Kobe had LeBron's body, he would easily be way better than LeBron.
Saying LeBron is more skilled than Kobe is almost like saying Shaq is more skilled than Steve Nash imo. Like yes, Shaq via strenght/body size is way more dominant, but in terms of raw skills, Nash clears.
Kobe better than lebron 💯💯💯..kobe is the goat 🐐🐐
Kobe is very skilled he became very skilled through his insane work ethic
So if the LEGARBAGE was a GREAT defender why did he stick Dirk nowitzki in a 2011 NBA finals😂😂😂😂😂
Kobe indeed is way more skill then lebron it’s not even close
Kobe ain’t guard Ai at all lol
I guess Ron not gone answer the question. Anybody who did Kobe lockdown?
I can’t remember anybody dropping 60 on lebron.. let alone a point guard at that 🫣
Cause he wasn’t gon guard em for 60 minutes
Never at anytime was LeBron the best defensive player in the league- stop it get some help like Bron does 😮
Marz was cooking 🧑🍳
ron said it right A CHASEDOWN MERCHANT
Kobe is more "clutch" than LeBron James.. Even tho LeBron has the most career playoff buzzer-beaters in NBA history with 3 walk-off playoff 3 point shots 😊
Objectively speak this is extremely fallacious. In one second of a playoffs game LeBron james is 7/12, in the Last 10 Mvp including Kobe bryant is 6/50, LeBron James is light years better than Kobe Bryant in the last 5 seconds, 10 seconds, 24 seconds, 30 seconds and min in a Playoffs game. In elimination games, Eliminating opponents and Game 7s LeBron James is light years better than Kobe Bryant in those situations which are clutch moments when your back is against the wall. It's not even a close argument in the playoffs. Regular season you have a better chance.
@@simplecleaning4296he agrees with u
@imbetter14 Thanks I read it so fast lol.
@simplecleaning4296 and yet why does he fail when the marbles are on the line
@Threezus17 Please stop with the lackluster narrative. We tend to put outrageous expectations on LeBron james and not the same expectations on others players. Kobe Bryant has been atrocious throughout his Finals appearances but his teams win inspire his bad play. Larry bird was a good Finals performer but he wasn't Great in Finals appearance especially with one of the highest pace decades. Wilt was not great throughout his Finals appearances compared to the regular season. I can tell you about ever consensus top 10 player and I can guarantee that other than Michael Jordan LeBron James has out played them throughout the playoffs history.
23:42 Marz is like a college professor, schooling these students 💯
Man it be the clowns that make anybody that speaks positive of LeBron look crazy. Saying Bron is more skilled than Kobe is WILD!
Only real argument Kobe has is footwork and post game but im sure everyone wants to call the “mamba mentality” a skill 🤣
people really dont know how to discuss skill
He’s a better midrange shooter, free throw shooter, post scorer, iso scorer, perimeter defender, ball handler
@@nv3095Thank you. Bron just bigger and more athletic. Besides “passing” he has no other skills that’s better than Kobe.
Handles, post game, his layups way more creative, his in game dunks way more creative, his foot work, his on ball defense. His ability to create a shot off the dribble was better. You can’t be fr
@@Alex-wz9ze if you’re talking about skilled as in how nice and pretty things look then sure, but if you’re talking about actual skill lmao. Nah brons got it.
LeBron game is more physical Kobe game more footwork and fundamentals
Lebron never guarded all 5 positions. He has that 1 clip where he guards gasol for a possession.
Right they need to stop these pf and centers give lebron work
LBJ has never been able guard 1-5. I'm from IND. I remeber they tried to put him on David West. He absolutely killed LBJ!!!
Yes he has wtf. Do your research before you hate and learn to comprehend. No one is saying he’s a lockdown defender in every position. The point is that if Lebron was to switch on 1-5 we will feel comfortable and confident with him doing it more than 99% of players in nba history. He’s guarded players Steph, Drose, Harden, Oladipo, Kd, Giannis Murray, Duncan, Kg, Dwight, Paul Pierce, Gasol, Draymond, Jokic, Roy H, Kawhi, Westbrook and etc. All of these players he has successfully guarded them in crucial moments numerous times. Draymond and Scottie Pip are the only other 2 that can do that. But Scottie never played against guards like Steph, Rose and Harden. Draymond plays with Steph and didn’t experience prime d rose. So Bron is probably one of the best.
@@CatoProduction you wrote all of that to say absolutely nothing!!! You are correct there is research and data to be done. Research shows LBJ gaurding strictly either the point postion or the 5 postion has taken up less then 3% of his total career minutes combined!!!
Almost everybody is NBA history has got matched up with another postion on switches and screen.
By numbers and data Jrue Holiday has guarded 4s and 5s more then LBJ has and has been more successful as the primary defender. Nobody speaks on him. I can name others also. Smart, Kidd, AK47, Artest, Allen, KG, etc.
@@CatoProductionlebron can't even guard Jason Terry 😂😂😂. LeBron defense trash 🗑️🗑️🗑️
I lost brain cells listening to these dudes say Bron was more skilled than Kobe. Where was that defense on Jason Terry for a whole Finals series???
Man the conversation of lebron being the best defensive player in the league is a bs narrative pushed by media not cosigned by actual players
Get Marz an apron he COOKIN them boys
Top right corner was mixing up eras and making terrible points 😭🤣
Damn its 10 vs 1 i cant believe yall think Lebum is better than Kobe
LeBron james is better than Kobe Bryant.
@@simplecleaning4296not at basketball that’s for sure
@Alex-wz9ze I would love to see your take on How Kobe Bryant is better than LeBron james objectively speaking?
@@simplecleaning4296lebron failed Cleveland, choked lost 6 finals, he's NBA all time turnovers leader..Kobe most definitely better than lebron 💯💯
@DreDunbar-pd8un This's why I don't engage in this kind of conversation. I asked how Kobe Bryant is better than LeBron james, and you when spoke about nothing.
I don’t understand why with defense, ppl just talk about 1v1 defense, guarding 1-5, defense accolades, and just simply “he guarded him”. Like what about point of attack, team defense, being able to read passing lanes, deflections, weak side rim protection, how teams have different defensive schemes and how that player is used for it, how players aren’t normally gonna be as good as another player at a defense task/speciality do to their position or the complete opposite of that??? Just saying he guarded him the whole game or he guards multiple positions isn’t really saying nothing. Every player is guarding another player and there are other players who guard multiple positions too but what exactly are they doing to make the player their guarding less effective on offense and how well do they guard multiple positions?
Why didn't anyone bring up kobe having the most defensive all team selections by a guard. Way more selections than bron. That would have ended it
Paul George torch LeBron in 2013 & 2014
Cooked his bacon but let these sexuals tell it he “Guarded those dudes”
Honestly the main guy that LBJ gaurds tends to cook him.
Only Kobe fan boys claim he was the most skilled player ever lol. The dream hands down is the most skilled player and it’s not even close. Who y’all know was top 5 in all statistical categories during their career and he did that multiple times
But the debate was Kobe vs Bron tho lol
Lebron can not guard all 5 positions this is ridiculous. Lebron can’t guard back to the basket centers he can only guard bigs that have 0 post game.
Such a lie hater 😂😂😂 he just was guarding and locking up joker he’s gaurded back to the basket bigs and all sorts it’s common sense he can gaurd all positions we’ve all watched him do it genius hes big enough strong enough and fast he’s almost as tall as a big man he has the weight and the strength to gaurd bigs he’s literally played the center position himself plenty times stop the hate
17:20 then that Cavs team went against the better defender in Dwight that very year and bron got his ass whooped by the magic . Dwight’s impact defensively was much more for his team than bron was for the Cavs in 09
Y'all know dam well bron didn't guard the best defender stop it everyone says the same thing about him and he can't guard 1-5 i hate when people say that cause it's literally evidence of him not doing that
LeBron James cannot light a candle to Kobe Bryant all around basketball skills