Dwyane Wade defeated Kevin Durant by having a prime Lebron james by his side Kawhi leonard defeated Kevin Durant by taking advantage of KD's and Klay's injuries in the Finals Giannis defeated Kevin Durant by taking advantage of Kyrie's and Harden's injuries Funny how that goes......
This is the biggest cooking Ron has done on the show. KD might be better than some of these guys, but to act like there’s no conversation is just wrong. We need more of this from Ron. 😂
Not really. He was not a threat on both ends of the floor nor could he develop a consistent 3 ball. He was clutch with an amazing finishing ability and elite playmaking skills and a great leader but if you need a bucket then you gotta go with KD. Literally unstoppable.
@@VENGEFULHEXXso then we can take out giannis too. but Wade is a second year champion, even without shaq, wade was the deciding factor in that finals series. to say he wasnt a threat offensively is kinda disrespectful. this is the man that gave bron bragging rights.
Ron is the biggest Westbrook fan thats why he keeps hating KD, he'd rather be a fan of a player who never won a playoff series on his own rather than respect a guy who made the Finals as a leader
You mean he'd rather be a fan of a player who shows up to play every single game and gives you his 100% rather than a player who bandwagoned his way to two chips and checks out mentally when he stops liking his teammates? I mean obviously kd is better but it's not that farfetched to like russ more.
I dunno about winning it on his own but it was clear as day that KD was the best player on that team for those Finals series with GS, he didn't win Finals MVP back to back by bandwagoning @@RonTheeDon
Ron logic makes no sense , if you are comparing the best version of a player individually , Arguments disqualifying him based on who he had on his team make no sense since you are comparing player for player. Put Kawhi on pistons and Put KD on jazz dont matter compare them PLAYER FOR PLAYER.
@@scrapcuz8370 nah , if u can hoop u can hoop , if u put mvp kd on the worst team in the league that year kd still gettin buckets , even more so cause he might gotta be the whole offense with the team bein buns , same thing w the other players put them at their peak on the worst team in the league then see how they might do
@ kd has 43 total accolades curry has 35 jokic has 17 total giannis has 31 total wade has 30 total kg has 45 total so break down how kd don’t have the accolades when he has more then everybody I named besides Garnett make it make sense kd has better stats than everybody on this list besides lebron and kobe literally he has better and longer longevity than everybody on this list besides lebron and he has more accolades than most of this list so your wrong buddy
@@melorileytv3408 KD has won 1 MVP, and 4 scoring titles. His rings and FMVPs as a Warrior don't really count that much. That's not an awfully good resume, in this crowd.
@@thegoldenhero well make It. All that means Is you understand the logic. They weren’t debating Wade and Curry. Also, Curry Is a way better play maker than KD, so It’s not quite the same.
They really hate on steph which is sad steph has proved twice he can lead his own championship team to the finals KD HAS YET TO DO THAT WITHOUT A SUPERTEAM KD HAS BEEN SWEPT THE 2 TIMES IN THE PAST 4 SEASONS 😂
I seen kd win a mvp with Perkins averaging 2ppg as his starting center Westbrook missed time so did ibaka kd was on court with collison and Perkins at times and also Andre Roberson and a young Reggie Jackson kd led them to a top seed with that roster cmon man kd that dude
KD has zero championships without being on a team of 4 other potential HOF players. I feel like a lot of these guys value stats and analytics more so than results, and that’s why Ron is cooking.
Ron is absolutely spitting bro. No lies told. I been saying for a long time now Dwade>KD. Kevin is a better scorer yes, but Dwade is the better basketball player
Nah, KD is better than Wade. Wade was more injury prone and had a shorter prime than KD and peak for peak they are on the same level, so you favor the guy who was elite longer, which is KD.
Wade was incredible but he unfortunately had one of the shorter primes for a superstar due to injury. The argument is closer than people think but I lean KD because as fast as Wade got to superstar status KD got there faster. People also forgot in that MVP season how dominant he was and is the only player to truly challenge a Prime Lebron James for best in the world. No hate on Wade tho one of my favorite players ever and criminally underrated and truly selfless
@@ajwalker8804wade was a superstar year 2, so no he didn’t get there faster. If it wasn’t for injury he could’ve won a ring in year 2. He injured his shoulder the year they lost to the pistons in the ecf, he was carrying that playoff run and killing the pistons.
Curry thought's : I beat u in the WCF...u join my team...I have more MVPS and rings and we played in the same era but somehow your better 😂😂😂...Kd fans will be KD fans
The way they were acting like some of the names were crazy surprised me. KD is great but player for player I don’t think any of the names he said was crazy and most of those names rank above or near where he is on most all time lists besides Wade
@2cents250 steph didnt lose anything there on the same team ? Kd benefited the most playing alongside steph if kd so great why he coudnt get the job done on his own wining fmvp for doing something you was suppose to do
Fun fact. In kds 3 years with the warriors the warriors were 23-17 when kd played and steph didnt. Steph was 27-4 during that same span when kd didnt play. Do the math on the win percentage for each without each other and you'll see steph's percentage matches the 73-9 warriors the year before and kd's percentage matches okc's win percentage the year before.
@Melanated1ne so durant isn't good enough to do what steph does to win games? You do have a point as durant has never had that win percentage in any system 😆 But you're correct. Before kd gsw was 73-9 and lost in the finals with steph, iggy, bogut injured and draymond missing a game. Took all that to lose in 7 after beating durant the series before. Even then kd won less games. 😆
@@AdamEdn Heh. That's a funny take, but the malice at the palace was also more reasonable than Artest's top-lists. He has Kyrie as the 4th greatest player all time, over LeBron who's 5th.
@@Jboooog18 Celtics were a way better team. Only thing I will say is that he played bad. Last year when they got swept he barley had help book and Beal was trash. Why don’t that ever being brought. Y’all make it seem like KD just always loses head up when that’s not true. 90% of the time he’s the best player on his team mind you he’s the oldest.
@ Hindsight is 20/20 , when that matchup was set people were predicting nets to win or make it competitive DAMN SURE NOT A SWEEP. I can’t get with a sweep, it’s KD one of the imo the best to do it. Should get one game, a sweep is ridiculous.
Naw bruh. Keep in mind, KD got swept by the same Celtics team Steph beat in the Finals for his 4th chip, tying Lebron. Steph is and has always been better than KD. Forget the physical aspect. Curry has been cooking KD. I would never ever put KD over steph. Steph is top 10. KD is top 20-30 all-time
Idk about Wade being better than KD, but Ron was cooking !!!!!! The Wade slander needs to stop, Wade at his best is certainly up there . In 09, Wade was universally top 3 with Bron and Kobe
Ron cooked and isn’t entirely wrong, it’s definitely a debate. We know KD is elite but are we going to ignore how he got his chips? The other players mentioned have more honor in their victories (minus KG but at his peak he had no weaknesses) and I think that holds weight in Ron’s eyes (mine as well) which makes it appear like they were better at their peaks. Also even though he is weird now Wade at his peak was that dude and is extremely underrated. I think it’s because Kobe was the #1 SG people forget but some games Wade got em and looked better. People have short memories.
Ironically, Giannis couldn't lead his team to a championship versus the KD-Nets, so he was forced to put Kyrie on the injury-list to beat them. With Kyrie and Harden out, KD nearly soloed the fully healthy Bucks, but only nearly. KD is pretty obviously the better player and the better leader than Giannis.
Once you take out guys like MJ, Bron, Kareem, Russell, and Bird...There aren't 10 players better than KD since 2000. I'm taking 2017 KD over most guys in the last 25 years. He's more than just buckets. He's a solid passer, good playmaker, and a very good defender in his peak. Kawhi, Wade, Giannis, etc...They not messing with peak KD
@@ThanosDidTheRightThing Nearly everyone on the list played a more healthy career then KD. KD has been a relevant player for a long time, but his true prime wasn't exceptionally long.
@penkima4923 cap. Kawhi's offense and defense peaked at different times. He was his best defensively in San Antonio when his offense was mediocre. And he was at his peak offensively on the Clippers but his defense went from all-time elite to just great.
How is that wild? Shaq wasn't carrying anything when they won the chip for Miami. And D-Wade was arguably better than LeBron, when LeBron joined the team. While KD played for arguably the greatest team ever.
@penkima4923 KD was CLEARLY the best player on that warriors team.. I love dwade, actually like him more than KD, but if you say KD got carried you gotta acknowledge wade having Shaq and the attention he garnered plus LeBron/Bosh after..
@penkima4923 look, i think joining them was weak, but the warriors did lose the year before. I think KD lacks in the leader department heavily, but the dude is talented and skilled and clearly a better player than Dwade. LeBron and bosh would have def been in contention.. ppl forget how much bosh sacrificed to join those two..
2014 , 2017 , 2020 kd is better than more than half the players you name . Y’all chatting odee. Let’s not even speak efficiency, shooting, consistency .
@BIGOXMedia Hell yea. By 26:00 he was sayin what I've been sayin about KD for years. Not tryin to start shit, but he was NEVER better than Steph. He was Ballin out in GS cause of the gravity that Steph pulled. Once he saw that same defense with the Celtics he got shut down and swept. That's why he hasn't won since he left.
@@BIGOXMediahe literally brought up KD playing with Beal as if he has the scoring champ that led the league in scoring but he pointed out that Wade played with an aging Shaq. Context matters. Beal put up 8 points in a closeout game in the playoffs. Shaq is better than Bradley Beal that KD is playing with.
Even though i dont agree with the KD take, theres nothing wrong taking a single season when they was the best version and matching it up together its really simple.
ron argument is weird , he said he not comparing careers but then he said he would take 09 dwade “ over any version of kd “ which would mean he is comparing the singular season of 09-10 dwyane wade to all seasons played by kd , n u cant say from a certain time period until now this player has not been better than this player but then pick n choose what seasons u reference for why u pick them , swipa right ron was movin the goalpost from the jump
This argument is so bad out the gate simply for the fact it has so many stipulations and limitations on it. Nobody even knows what his case really is nor does he and this was 25 minutes or whatever of yapping.
We need Ron’s real criteria for the list bc we can’t say “since 2000” but then cherry pick 2019 Kawhi or 2009 DWade 😂😂 shouldn’t it be the body of work since 2000?
Kd had Brooklyn nets 1 seed when Harden was injured and Kyrie couldn’t play. Then harden left. KD was playing with Cam Thomas, Jeff Green and David Duke jr. Went 7 games with bucks by himself. His second best player was a finished lamarcus Aldridge. Please stop. Conversations around Kd are so disingenuous.
30:00 You proving Ron's point. KD doesn't overcome adversity like his peers that he mentioned have. You just giving reasons why he isn't better than Steph or Lebron or Kobe. Why isn't KD better than Kobe, "Well he got hurt". When he wasn't hurt was he better than Jokic, "NO!". That's the point! What's worse is that KD loss to these dudes. So it's not really theoretical anymore. When KD played against Steph while at OKC, he lost to Steph (by literally choking btw). Then joined him to win his first two and ONLY rings?! That's a HUGE KNOCK. KD hasn't been better since.
Kevin Garnett and Kawhi over KD since 2000 is just crazy. But tbf i really thought the list would be CRAZY disrespectful, but it really isn't. But 1 MVP and 2 FMVPs, while being the best scorer of his time and averaging 27+ ppg is insane. There just weren't 10 players better than him in this time. Edit: Ron is outta his damn mind 😂. Also just going peak for peak doesnt make any sense, especially in this conversations. Longevity is what setting great players from good players apart. Also using Kawhis "two way" ability as an argument here ain't fair, cause using Rons logic Kawhi prolly the best player since 2000.
KG and Kawhi over KD definitely isn't crazy. As you said yourself, Kawhi has an argument of being the best player of the 2000's. KD doesn't have particularly good longevity.
Since 2000 kobe bron duncan shaq curry dwade jokic giannis kawhi garnett Its an easy list tbh. anyone who doesnt think curry is better than kd is only focused on the fact that kd is 7ft and dark skin and curry is a small light skin in under armor.
Bro there is no actual way we having Durant over curry arguments and its about to be 2025 we still haven’t seen kd win anything but Olympic medals without Steph STOP it
The response to Steph was ridiculous. If KD had Steph’s career and vice-versa, NO ONE on that panel would argue Steph > KD. And the irony is that-for all the talk about Steph having “so much help” throughout his career-KD’s played with more Top 75 players. Steph won before KD and after KD, and he won his most recent title off of the team that CLAMPED KD up and swept him earlier in those SAME playoffs in the FIRST ROUND. The Steph disrespect is mind-boggling
@26:00 - 27:45 THIS MAN RON COOKIN HERE THOUGH 🤣 Granted he was fumbling the bag for the first 20 minutes of the vid but i like this. "Picking players like Women pick their Ideal man" IS A BARRRRRR 😂🤣
The facts of who KD has played for and been coached by in comparison to other players has to matter. KD is elite but just simply going off of the “he’s efficient”, “he’s a scorer”, etc shouldn’t override other great players too. Career wise I would take all of the players Ron listed. Player for player wise I’d take everyone Ron listed accept for Giannis.
Shout out to drugs, they’ve been taking over the world is a bar 😂
Lmao yep
facts😂
Why was steph curry the first name to get push back from the panel? Steph has done more without kd than the other way around
Hesi-tween middy got them in shambles. Give KD that 22 Warriors team and he's immediately asking for a trade
Aren’t they arguing who is better at basketball overall?
@@split_head_776 KD is winning that chip in 2022 with that warriors team also. Stop the cap
He’s STILL not better kid
@@split_head_776 bro what???? Bro you dudes are insane.
I know y’all hate kd. But goddamn yo
the shit honestly sad bro
@@prodzwrldHonestly true
😂😂
Flat out disrespectful
Ron turned into a prime Gordon Ramsey at the end there.
No he didn’t just say you hate kd ain’t no way you watch prime kd In believe he not too 10
@@King_ace22 exactly. Not once did he cook at any time in this segment lmao.
Yall ain’t been alive watching basketball long enough you can argue every player he said. Shii you can argue more if we talking peaks
@ your a casual just like him
@@quistophercolumbus9908 you trolling with this comment lol. Got me. 😂
This is insane Ron hating on KD
Not sure who Ron is, but that dude in the white t-shirt gave a good list. No hate there.
None of them are wearing a white T
@@spidaxs1204 No? Well, the dude in the top middle. Whatever he's wearing.
@@penkima4923 The one in the white shirt is Ron
Or just facts...all those players won a chip...KD was handed one
Dwyane Wade defeated Kevin Durant by having a prime Lebron james by his side
Kawhi leonard defeated Kevin Durant by taking advantage of KD's and Klay's injuries in the Finals
Giannis defeated Kevin Durant by taking advantage of Kyrie's and Harden's injuries
Funny how that goes......
OK ?
@@mr.denzelsausageton9719 In Fair circumstances, its hard to beat KD in Playoffs
and the only way Durant can win is by joining a 73-9 player with the unanimous MVP he choked to.
Kd blew a 3-1 lead with Russ and harden on his team
@@MLC719with harden on the team?? You don’t even know ball 😭😭😭 buddy wasn’t even on the squad in 2016
This is the biggest cooking Ron has done on the show. KD might be better than some of these guys, but to act like there’s no conversation is just wrong. We need more of this from Ron. 😂
Can you prove it that those guys are better then kd?
@Ghost-rb6cw KD is a Westbrook and Curry merchant. Ain't seen a conference final since 2018.
@@kingad8869 has either guys made it to a conference finals without kd?
@@Ghost-rb6cwhow does Curry win finals mvp without going to the conference finals?
@@Ghost-rb6cwyou do realize curry has won a championship since kd left, right? You still have time to delete your comment.
Mfs really sleep on DWade frfr
Not really. He was not a threat on both ends of the floor nor could he develop a consistent 3 ball. He was clutch with an amazing finishing ability and elite playmaking skills and a great leader but if you need a bucket then you gotta go with KD. Literally unstoppable.
@@VENGEFULHEXXso then we can take out giannis too. but Wade is a second year champion, even without shaq, wade was the deciding factor in that finals series. to say he wasnt a threat offensively is kinda disrespectful. this is the man that gave bron bragging rights.
@blizzavelli4621 Giannis is definitely worthy of being taken out. So is Wade. Like the arguments are the biggest possible.
@@blizzavelli4621 all I will say is that KD is still averaging 27 a game after a career ending injury and in his 16th or 17th season.
@@VENGEFULHEXX not for anything KD is a scorer not a winner. thats my argument and im taking 06 dwade over any version of KD in a finals appearance.
Ox trolling be pissing me off man 😂😂😂
“I haven’t heard you cook like this in a minute Ron” like come on Ox wtf lmaooo
@ Bruh just be egging the shit on like lmfaooooo
Lol I’m not trolling. Bro was legit cooking 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
@@BIGOXMedianeed more of this! you and Ron are right
@@BIGOXMediacrazy ash
😒☹️ Ron just be yapping.
We need to ban Ron from speaking basketball for a year after this despicable take
Ron is the biggest Westbrook fan thats why he keeps hating KD,
he'd rather be a fan of a player who never won a playoff series on his own rather than respect a guy who made the Finals as a leader
You mean he'd rather be a fan of a player who shows up to play every single game and gives you his 100% rather than a player who bandwagoned his way to two chips and checks out mentally when he stops liking his teammates?
I mean obviously kd is better but it's not that farfetched to like russ more.
What series did KD win on his own? 🤔🤔
@@RonTheeDonWhat series did Russ win on his own? Especially when after KD left?
@@lorddj9910 neither of them have won a playoff series in their own idk why that would even be part of the argument
I dunno about winning it on his own but it was clear as day that KD was the best player on that team for those Finals series with GS, he didn't win Finals MVP back to back by bandwagoning @@RonTheeDon
Ngl, Ron cooking. He could've added Dirk too
I was waiting for Dirk
prime dirk wasnt better than kd. just look at dirk performance against miami vs kd’s performance.
@@2cents250 huh? Dirk won against Miami. KD lost.
@@lot3530and KD had better talent with him
Ron logic makes no sense , if you are comparing the best version of a player individually , Arguments disqualifying him based on who he had on his team make no sense since you are comparing player for player. Put Kawhi on pistons and Put KD on jazz dont matter compare them PLAYER FOR PLAYER.
It matters I don’t see why it doesn’t. Almost any star looks extremely better besides klay and Steph especially iso scorers and shooters
@kobesan42 Wiggins was a super bust before he got there. With the Warriors, it was the first time in his career he looked like a #1 pick.
It definitely matter who u play with
@@scrapcuz8370 nah , if u can hoop u can hoop , if u put mvp kd on the worst team in the league that year kd still gettin buckets , even more so cause he might gotta be the whole offense with the team bein buns , same thing w the other players put them at their peak on the worst team in the league then see how they might do
@@braidenfriday2389 nah If u tryna win a chip it definitely matters who u play with
I’m actually rocking with Ron. He was cooking on this
This list is debatable for sure, but its NOT insane though lol
Yes it is u better go check kd resume
This list is egregious
@@melorileytv3408 KD doesn't have a resume that great compared to the ten others.
@ kd has 43 total accolades curry has 35 jokic has 17 total giannis has 31 total wade has 30 total kg has 45 total so break down how kd don’t have the accolades when he has more then everybody I named besides Garnett make it make sense kd has better stats than everybody on this list besides lebron and kobe literally he has better and longer longevity than everybody on this list besides lebron and he has more accolades than most of this list so your wrong buddy
@@melorileytv3408 KD has won 1 MVP, and 4 scoring titles. His rings and FMVPs as a Warrior don't really count that much. That's not an awfully good resume, in this crowd.
Ron was cooking at minute 24 on 🔥🔥 KD has had elite talent every year to be failing 24/7
That “elite talent” more then half of them was injured you goof
same with LeBron tho💀💀💀 and that man lost 6 nba finals
@@zbt62yeah but at least lebron has shown us he can carry average supporting cast to finals 07, 18
KD never has
@@ericcruz4967KD carried with the warriors
@@ericcruz4967 ya cuz those conferences were trash.
It’s Krazy how many ppl are not comprehending what he’s saying.
That 3 minute rant by Ron was Legendary stuff😭😭😭 gahdddd damn
24:00 to 27:00 was peak
Fr 😂😂had unk in the corner quiet asl
I agree with Ron 🤷🏽♂️
This is a braindead take
@ peak Wade Is better than KD at everything except shooting, literally EVERYTHING.
Well your also wrong
@Dologaming24 you can make this same stupid argument with Curry 😆
@@thegoldenhero well make It. All that means Is you understand the logic. They weren’t debating Wade and Curry. Also, Curry Is a way better play maker than KD, so It’s not quite the same.
3:00 bozo the clown in the middle will accept that kg is better then kd but not the chef?? Yall quit playin wit steph..
These dudes love KG lmao
At this point,
Hating KD and disrespecting him has become the norm.
When players in your own list would tell you Kd is better you are a hater
There is no such thing as KD hating
Problem is you can plug Harrison Barnes into that 2017 team and they still make the finals 😂😂😂
He said the best,not all time.all those names are valid even if you disagree
Not all-time, sure, but he did specify "since 2000," which means that we are actually talking about over an extended period.
They really hate on steph which is sad steph has proved twice he can lead his own championship team to the finals KD HAS YET TO DO THAT WITHOUT A SUPERTEAM KD HAS BEEN SWEPT THE 2 TIMES IN THE PAST 4 SEASONS 😂
Ron cooked the Panel
here go radell
He didn’t cook nothing
Ron cooked in the end, we have to be honest
Let Ron cook!!!🔥🔥🔥
Ron should just stick to reading super chats
🤣🤣🤣
he can barely read
Ron thinks he’s cooking, and nobody is telling him the stove is off!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I'm a lil iffy on Giannis but I'm not mad at the list
He absolutely was cooking y’all just he’s 7 feet with a jump shot and y’all brains turn to mush
His ass be yapping
@@ericcruz4967he’s absolutely better then dwade and kawhi
arguing against steph when it comes to kd is pointless
I seen kd win a mvp with Perkins averaging 2ppg as his starting center Westbrook missed time so did ibaka kd was on court with collison and Perkins at times and also Andre Roberson and a young Reggie Jackson kd led them to a top seed with that roster cmon man kd that dude
Ron got in his bag at the end😂😂
KD has zero championships without being on a team of 4 other potential HOF players.
I feel like a lot of these guys value stats and analytics more so than results, and that’s why Ron is cooking.
And you value chips without help which many of these dudes on this list don’t have lmaooo
@ yeah I value a guy whose play translates to winning, which is the point of the sport btw. All rings aren’t equal.
D wade has never reached a conference finals without an All-NBA 1st team Teammate, HOW IS HE BETTER THAN KD???
Ron is just biased
2006 when he won his first ring?
@@ekb0106 yeah even that year he had a 1st team teammate
@@ekb0106you cannot read
@@ekb0106 Shaq made 1st team in 06'
Neither did KD
Ron is absolutely spitting bro. No lies told. I been saying for a long time now Dwade>KD. Kevin is a better scorer yes, but Dwade is the better basketball player
Nah, KD is better than Wade. Wade was more injury prone and had a shorter prime than KD and peak for peak they are on the same level, so you favor the guy who was elite longer, which is KD.
@@thegoldenhero no
@@thegoldenhero lolno
Wade was incredible but he unfortunately had one of the shorter primes for a superstar due to injury. The argument is closer than people think but I lean KD because as fast as Wade got to superstar status KD got there faster. People also forgot in that MVP season how dominant he was and is the only player to truly challenge a Prime Lebron James for best in the world. No hate on Wade tho one of my favorite players ever and criminally underrated and truly selfless
@@ajwalker8804wade was a superstar year 2, so no he didn’t get there faster. If it wasn’t for injury he could’ve won a ring in year 2. He injured his shoulder the year they lost to the pistons in the ecf, he was carrying that playoff run and killing the pistons.
Curry thought's : I beat u in the WCF...u join my team...I have more MVPS and rings and we played in the same era but somehow your better 😂😂😂...Kd fans will be KD fans
I know right 😂
The way they were acting like some of the names were crazy surprised me. KD is great but player for player I don’t think any of the names he said was crazy and most of those names rank above or near where he is on most all time lists besides Wade
and you lost back to back fmvps to that guy😂 that weird not 1 but 2 😂😂😂
@2cents250 steph didnt lose anything there on the same team ? Kd benefited the most playing alongside steph if kd so great why he coudnt get the job done on his own wining fmvp for doing something you was suppose to do
Curry has had a better career, KD is a better basketball player n Individual talent
Fun fact. In kds 3 years with the warriors the warriors were 23-17 when kd played and steph didnt. Steph was 27-4 during that same span when kd didnt play. Do the math on the win percentage for each without each other and you'll see steph's percentage matches the 73-9 warriors the year before and kd's percentage matches okc's win percentage the year before.
Talk abt who else was out when Steph was out ..
@Yat3rnator just steph.
Why didn't you ask about who was out when kd was out? 🤔😏
It’s steph system team etc why is that a surprise? Lol but I do know they went 73-9 before he came and they lost Steph lost at his best remember that
@Melanated1ne so durant isn't good enough to do what steph does to win games? You do have a point as durant has never had that win percentage in any system 😆
But you're correct. Before kd gsw was 73-9 and lost in the finals with steph, iggy, bogut injured and draymond missing a game. Took all that to lose in 7 after beating durant the series before. Even then kd won less games. 😆
@ Durant never had a draymond or klay 😂
ladies and gentlemen this is prime ron and i’m not talkin artest
Because comparatively even Artest’s sense of judgement wouldn’t allow him to crash out this badly 😂
@@AdamEdn Artest has given wilder takes.
@@penkima4923 the malice at the palace was more reasonable than this 😂
@@AdamEdn Heh. That's a funny take, but the malice at the palace was also more reasonable than Artest's top-lists. He has Kyrie as the 4th greatest player all time, over LeBron who's 5th.
Is he really that wrong though? It’s a conversation.
It can go both ways but I don’t hate having the conversation
@ If you swap wade with dirk then only Russ sounds ridiculous. The other 8 guys Ron named are valid
@@ubereats3047 names like Kobe , leborn , kg , Duncan were “better” but everyone else kd is over them
@ How is KG over Durant but not Shaq and Curry
@ ohhh yeah I forgot Shaq sorry, yeah curry is the better shooter but I believe kd is the better overall player
Click bait in the title worked lol why am I here 😅
How is it a clickbait?
KD with booker and Beal got swept by anthony Edwards wolves
Beal sucks ass you see how bad they doing now when KD was playing they was 8-1 since KD got hurt they are now 9-4
@@xTOPFLOORhe got SWEPT though bruh, not 1 game?? Is crazy. SWEPT with Kyrie
@@Jboooog18 Celtics were a way better team. Only thing I will say is that he played bad. Last year when they got swept he barley had help book and Beal was trash. Why don’t that ever being brought. Y’all make it seem like KD just always loses head up when that’s not true. 90% of the time he’s the best player on his team mind you he’s the oldest.
@ Hindsight is 20/20 , when that matchup was set people were predicting nets to win or make it competitive DAMN SURE NOT A SWEEP. I can’t get with a sweep, it’s KD one of the imo the best to do it. Should get one game, a sweep is ridiculous.
I have never missed Ticket interrupting and crashing out more than the moment Ron tried to argue that foolishness 😂
Ticket isn't a big KD supporter. He would of probably agreed with Ron
@@Matthew-xl5bc facts ticket would have added dirk as well in that list lol
Naw bruh. Keep in mind, KD got swept by the same Celtics team Steph beat in the Finals for his 4th chip, tying Lebron. Steph is and has always been better than KD. Forget the physical aspect. Curry has been cooking KD. I would never ever put KD over steph. Steph is top 10. KD is top 20-30 all-time
I’m not mad at Ron for feeling like this not saying I agree or disagree but I can understand it
This is one of the worst takes in the history of history
Idk about Wade being better than KD, but Ron was cooking !!!!!!
The Wade slander needs to stop, Wade at his best is certainly up there . In 09, Wade was universally top 3 with Bron and Kobe
Ron cooked!!!!
Ron cooked and isn’t entirely wrong, it’s definitely a debate. We know KD is elite but are we going to ignore how he got his chips? The other players mentioned have more honor in their victories (minus KG but at his peak he had no weaknesses) and I think that holds weight in Ron’s eyes (mine as well) which makes it appear like they were better at their peaks. Also even though he is weird now Wade at his peak was that dude and is extremely underrated. I think it’s because Kobe was the #1 SG people forget but some games Wade got em and looked better. People have short memories.
COOK RON
What I agree on is I don’t think Kd can lead a team to a championship & everybody on his list can
Ironically, Giannis couldn't lead his team to a championship versus the KD-Nets, so he was forced to put Kyrie on the injury-list to beat them. With Kyrie and Harden out, KD nearly soloed the fully healthy Bucks, but only nearly. KD is pretty obviously the better player and the better leader than Giannis.
KG couldn't make playoffs 3 years straight till he joined Boston.
the yappetry from ron is crazy
Bro got a degree in yapology 😂
Watching this live was actually insane, the way he didn’t specify greatest from best until halfway through was nasty
1. Lebron
2. Curry
3. Kobe
4. Shaq
5. Jokic
6. Duncan
7. KG
8. Dirk
9. Wade
10. Giannis
Once you take out guys like MJ, Bron, Kareem, Russell, and Bird...There aren't 10 players better than KD since 2000. I'm taking 2017 KD over most guys in the last 25 years. He's more than just buckets. He's a solid passer, good playmaker, and a very good defender in his peak. Kawhi, Wade, Giannis, etc...They not messing with peak KD
Preach that dude mfs better go look at his resume and stats
I think they’re all close to him in terms of peak but he beats ALL of them in terms of longevity.
@@ThanosDidTheRightThing Nearly everyone on the list played a more healthy career then KD. KD has been a relevant player for a long time, but his true prime wasn't exceptionally long.
Kawhi's peak was better than KD's.
@penkima4923 cap. Kawhi's offense and defense peaked at different times. He was his best defensively in San Antonio when his offense was mediocre. And he was at his peak offensively on the Clippers but his defense went from all-time elite to just great.
Ron lowkey spitting 😂😂
no bs😂😂💯
@@123Bsmoove bro I said the same thing. It’s definitely a debate
Wild to say kd got carried when dwade had two of the other guys you have on your list..
How is that wild? Shaq wasn't carrying anything when they won the chip for Miami. And D-Wade was arguably better than LeBron, when LeBron joined the team. While KD played for arguably the greatest team ever.
@penkima4923 KD was CLEARLY the best player on that warriors team.. I love dwade, actually like him more than KD, but if you say KD got carried you gotta acknowledge wade having Shaq and the attention he garnered plus LeBron/Bosh after..
@@joshuafruth6420 The Warriors without KD would've been strong contenders. Either Heat team without D-Wade, would've been out of contention.
@penkima4923 look, i think joining them was weak, but the warriors did lose the year before. I think KD lacks in the leader department heavily, but the dude is talented and skilled and clearly a better player than Dwade. LeBron and bosh would have def been in contention.. ppl forget how much bosh sacrificed to join those two..
2014 , 2017 , 2020 kd is better than more than half the players you name . Y’all chatting odee. Let’s not even speak efficiency, shooting, consistency .
Ron putting Kobe in prime Shaq talks is when I knew we were done here
None of them could explain what kd is better then dwade at then they tried to say wade had more help
Nah when he said Dwade carried Bron and Shaq I almost cut TS off😂😂😂 23:38
Facts I’m like wtf 😂
At first I wasnt rollin with Ron at all. I thought he was talking crazy. But by the end of the video Ron was lowkey cookin lol.
That’s how I felt as well. He really persuaded me
@BIGOXMedia Hell yea. By 26:00 he was sayin what I've been sayin about KD for years. Not tryin to start shit, but he was NEVER better than Steph. He was Ballin out in GS cause of the gravity that Steph pulled. Once he saw that same defense with the Celtics he got shut down and swept. That's why he hasn't won since he left.
@@BIGOXMediahe literally brought up KD playing with Beal as if he has the scoring champ that led the league in scoring but he pointed out that Wade played with an aging Shaq. Context matters. Beal put up 8 points in a closeout game in the playoffs. Shaq is better than Bradley Beal that KD is playing with.
So curry won before Kd and after Kd and Kd ain’t won yet
Octupus have 3 hearts. I thought id join u in saying irrelevant things for the sake of it
Kd made finals b4 curry..lost to lebron big 3..curry beat injured lebron team..lost to bron big3. Your argument goofy.
@@xavierb9061while also being injured goofy.
@@xavierb9061curry still won after kd left kd hasn’t done shit and has had some the best players in league on his team
@xavierb9061 LeBron beat the baby Thunder, an injured Warriors with the Draymond stimulus, and an injured Miami in the bubble. Talk about it
Even though i dont agree with the KD take, theres nothing wrong taking a single season when they was the best version and matching it up together its really simple.
KD is a buss rider
ron argument is weird , he said he not comparing careers but then he said he would take 09 dwade “ over any version of kd “ which would mean he is comparing the singular season of 09-10 dwyane wade to all seasons played by kd , n u cant say from a certain time period until now this player has not been better than this player but then pick n choose what seasons u reference for why u pick them , swipa right ron was movin the goalpost from the jump
This argument is so bad out the gate simply for the fact it has so many stipulations and limitations on it. Nobody even knows what his case really is nor does he and this was 25 minutes or whatever of yapping.
@@VENGEFULHEXX right they had like 3 different criteria running the whole time 😂😂
The best version of KD would give everyone on Ron’s list 30 on 50/40/90 splits, just stop
@@JayySquueeze and still not win a damn thing
@@mr.getrighhttt3433 yeah okay, still don’t make the other players better then him
@@JayySquueeze actually if one player wins with less help, he is better.
And they would do the same to KD are u dumb??😂 Y’all KD fans just be saying anything
@@mr.getrighhttt3433that’s the thing, all that efficiency from is great and all. Fun to watch but he hasn’t lead a team to a chip yet
D Wade in them Finals go crazy though
We need Ron’s real criteria for the list bc we can’t say “since 2000” but then cherry pick 2019 Kawhi or 2009 DWade 😂😂 shouldn’t it be the body of work since 2000?
Kd had Brooklyn nets 1 seed when Harden was injured and Kyrie couldn’t play. Then harden left. KD was playing with Cam Thomas, Jeff Green and David Duke jr. Went 7 games with bucks by himself. His second best player was a finished lamarcus Aldridge. Please stop. Conversations around Kd are so disingenuous.
30:00 You proving Ron's point. KD doesn't overcome adversity like his peers that he mentioned have. You just giving reasons why he isn't better than Steph or Lebron or Kobe. Why isn't KD better than Kobe, "Well he got hurt". When he wasn't hurt was he better than Jokic, "NO!". That's the point! What's worse is that KD loss to these dudes. So it's not really theoretical anymore. When KD played against Steph while at OKC, he lost to Steph (by literally choking btw). Then joined him to win his first two and ONLY rings?! That's a HUGE KNOCK. KD hasn't been better since.
Ron makes sense , KD is DEBATABLY not a top 10 player since 2000.
Ong nobody was saying kawahi is better than kd before 2019 stop spurs kawahi was never better than kd
Kawhi better than KD
Ron almost crashed out.
THAT BROTHA COOKIN!!!!! I’m in tears. He somewhat right though can’t lie. Great argument.
Ron said all that and still said nothing and sounded stupid. Durant is a monster and top 20 all time and definitely top since 2000
Ron right in my book. That’s just cause I don’t like KD no logic!
Kevin Garnett and Kawhi over KD since 2000 is just crazy. But tbf i really thought the list would be CRAZY disrespectful, but it really isn't. But 1 MVP and 2 FMVPs, while being the best scorer of his time and averaging 27+ ppg is insane. There just weren't 10 players better than him in this time.
Edit: Ron is outta his damn mind 😂. Also just going peak for peak doesnt make any sense, especially in this conversations. Longevity is what setting great players from good players apart. Also using Kawhis "two way" ability as an argument here ain't fair, cause using Rons logic Kawhi prolly the best player since 2000.
KG and Kawhi over KD definitely isn't crazy. As you said yourself, Kawhi has an argument of being the best player of the 2000's.
KD doesn't have particularly good longevity.
Since 2000
kobe
bron
duncan
shaq
curry
dwade
jokic
giannis
kawhi
garnett
Its an easy list tbh. anyone who doesnt think curry is better than kd is only focused on the fact that kd is 7ft and dark skin and curry is a small light skin in under armor.
Lol bro said KD>steph has to be racist
KD is far better than Curry
@@MarzTalksSports Didnt say it was racist. its based on first impressions
@@Don-Royall Nah its not even close and hasnt been for a long while. yall tried the same thing with the lebron vs kd "rivalry"
@@VonKappallot im just making a joke brother
Bro there is no actual way we having Durant over curry arguments and its about to be 2025 we still haven’t seen kd win anything but Olympic medals without Steph STOP it
21:53 bro being 1st team all nba around that time as a center was not impressive.
The response to Steph was ridiculous. If KD had Steph’s career and vice-versa, NO ONE on that panel would argue Steph > KD. And the irony is that-for all the talk about Steph having “so much help” throughout his career-KD’s played with more Top 75 players. Steph won before KD and after KD, and he won his most recent title off of the team that CLAMPED KD up and swept him earlier in those SAME playoffs in the FIRST ROUND. The Steph disrespect is mind-boggling
Steph Curry is better than KD
Confirmed Ron is the first podcaster with CTE
I ain't never heard Ron cook like that before
Kawhi over KD is crazy. Kawhi ONLY got that ring in Toronto bc KD was hurt.
Never let Ron do anything other than being the host 😂
Ron had a couple cook sessions in this clip 😂
Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, LeBron, Steph. That’s it, sorry D-Wade and KG but KD better.
LMFAOOO i aint ever seen Ron cook like this 😂😂😂
He only brought up their peaks when he got to Kawhi...he moved the hell out the goal post...04 Garnett over KD is ridiculous
KDs disrespect is INSANE ‼️‼️‼️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
You used 6 red exclamation marks, so the disrespect probably isn't insane.
@26:00 - 27:45 THIS MAN RON COOKIN HERE THOUGH 🤣 Granted he was fumbling the bag for the first 20 minutes of the vid but i like this. "Picking players like Women pick their Ideal man" IS A BARRRRRR 😂🤣
I agree with (peak) Jokic over (peak) Durant
This is hands down the worst take in PC history I love Ron but you lost me right after curry , kawhi and Giannis is NOT better then KD
Why was peak kg such a disagreement but peak Tim Duncan was unanimous how far apart do yall think they are in 💀
These guys shouldn't talk basketball until they learn how to play
Well Ron and chill do so 😂
You play ball bro?
@@BIGOXMedia I forgot ox can coach too😂
@@BIGOXMedia yesss sir
@CalebPorch i saw the videos idk about that 🤣🤣
No lies were said
The facts of who KD has played for and been coached by in comparison to other players has to matter. KD is elite but just simply going off of the “he’s efficient”, “he’s a scorer”, etc shouldn’t override other great players too. Career wise I would take all of the players Ron listed. Player for player wise I’d take everyone Ron listed accept for Giannis.
Marz said he just yelled 😂😂
Ron start chefin at the end lowkey 🤣🤣🤣🤣
This man said 2021 kawhi clears every version of kd . This man lost his marbles . What basketball are y’all watching ???
RON WAS IN RARE FORM!🔥