Man 🤦🏽 I wish Jordan was on the old panel so they could just shut his takes down before he even gets started because my god they’re arguing about just WRONG points like why are y’all even debating that they weren’t Isoing in the 90s? Why are y’all arguing that teams aren’t running plays today? Why are y’all arguing that players in the 90s weren’t less skilled than players today?
Cam Reddish caught the craziest stray in that college development debate. Pen and Ox going back and forth for like 10 minutes straight then outta nowhere "CAM REDDISH WAS GON' BE A BUM REGARDLESS"
Since somehow my points consistently get misinterpreted for some weird reason. What i said was you dont need to watch live nba games to be a great nba player (kawhi is an example) nothing wrong with watching the nba theres also nothing wrong with not watching it (aslong as you are still watching film,preparing for teams correctly and show up and do your job etc) and in regards to the 3pt debate. i NEVER said nor implied midrange jumpers are bad ive in fact said the opposite on many occasions. i dont think i said anything ab midrange jumpers today . What i said was A)Teams shot worse 20 years ago than they do now and B) Teams run sets. In regards to the hornets and bulls point. my point was NOT the bulls and hornets had to change their playstyle to how they play this season because they sucked last year (to be honest idek how that could even have been interpreted that way) . my point was the bulls and hornets played completely differently last season and still werent good. and that was in response to someone saying 'and they wonder why they been trash all these years' so my point was they havent been trash cos of all these 3s since billy donovan has completely changed his system and charles lee has implemented something completely different to steve clifford and yet they still sucked before these changes. somehow this will still be misinterpreted looking forward to it.
Not needing to be a 100% necessity for greatness doesn't mean fanatic behavior isn't linked to the highest examples of success. Which I think is the larger point that was being driven. There's never a singular way to be great but there is a pattern that forms generally speaking. And that link could bring intrinsic value even if it's not an intrinsic occurrence.
Are we ever gonna get back to recapping games and breaking things down lol enough with the lists man. That’s just me though. Didn’t discuss any of the game winners the other night.
whats there to recap and break down. every team in the league plays the same dribble dribble dribble pick and roll drive and kick three. no teams run sets its all the same bad basketball. all we have to do is say who won and the breakdown will be the same for every game
@MarzTalksSportsTrue everyone knows that the teams and players are all the same. Golden State and Cleveland play the exact same and so on so forth. They need to take more middies with their feet right in the middle of the three point line.
No way they think that nba players need to watch NBA games in their free time to be good at bball. For most players basketball already occupies most of their day and they dont need more NBA outside of playing and watching film
@@drenchmansportsIt’s not like players just only play basketball during a day. There’s getting treatment, training sessions, practice, individual and team lifts, film sessions, etc. Then there’s media obligations, business and advertising events, family time, etc. If players are already dedicating most of their day to basketball and training then why do they need to watch a game live.
@ because it’s called being a professional.. your just guessing what nba players do .. i KNOW.. i was around it for 5 years .. first off they BARELY even practice in the NBA any more and when they do it’s usually about 1-2 hours … I’ll give it a max 4 hours for all that stuff you just said.. no more than 4 hours of their day is dedicated to that stuff your talking about
Giannis said that he does not really watch nba games live or watch other teams and he is a really good player. If you hear him talk, you'll see that he loves basketball. You guys project your feeling on players and act like everyone is like you
You mean to tell me that watching live basketball games isn’t a requirement for being a top player, and it’s more important to be a hard worker that locks into film, studying, and dedicating time to better your game. Who could have seen that coming?
It’s quite simple to understand back then there would be what one shot creator on a starting lineup as opposed to now there are probably 2 to 3 shot creators on a starting lineup so there isn’t a need to run as much sets because I have 2 to 3 guys who can break down the defense themselves. I watched a game where Magic ran down the sideline and gave James worthy the ball in the post 9 times in a row you tell me where there’s variety in that.
Jordan acts like plenty of former/current nba players, coaches, and GMs, wouldn’t agree with the takes Marz makes. Not every nba player to have ever lived would agree with the things you say man. That alone dismantles the whole “oh i played argument” because not all of them would agree with you anyways. Acts like he was a 10 year nba vet. That “didn’t play” argument is tired as hell at this point, its just brought out by people who cant use logic to backup their claims. Not saying hes wrong all the time but jesus man we get it you played a higher level of basketball congratulations. If every single player that played at a higher level than you wouldn’t always agree with you, then that point is absolutely mute.
The current and some former gm’s , are guys that never played before either like Daryl Morey , which how they come up with this bs ass analytics.. and most PLAYERS from back then disagree with this style of play.. even guys like LEBRON disagree with all the 3’s being shot.. so does Steph. Or whoever .. the brand of basketball across all levels is BAD .. from NBA to Elementary. The reason why is because you got so many people who think that shooting 104 3’s in an nba game and only score 115 points while missing 75 of them is amazing basketball…. You know why? Because if you never played before you don’t realize that shooting an NBA 3 is far as hell!!! So when you going 1-9 like (Josh Giddey) you shouldn’t keep shooting , you should possibly get in closer and make a few to get you a better Rhythm so you can shoot the 3.. but if you never ever played before .. you can’t relate to that concept. Because you never lived it or witnessed it
@@drenchmansports i wasn’t talking about the 3pt conversation specifically, but either way like i said there are plenty of former/current nba players who dont gaf and think its fine im sure. That alone defeats the point you’re trying to make here. They all have different opinions like everyone else on the planet. Your point of view isnt the viewpoint of every single nba player to ever play. Your really think every single nba player holds the same opinion as you? You really think you know better than NBA GMs too? They’re not wrong just because you disagree with them it doesn’t work like that. Its also ironic you diss the guys who never played that work for and around the nba, while in a different argument you said you need an mvp to be in the best in the world talks when plenty of guys who never played vote on the awards bro. You’re extremely biased, and thats fine honestly everyone has their bias. But to act like your word is law because you played ball when plenty of guys who played ball at a higher level than you would disagree with some of your takes simply lacks logic and objectivity. If yall get an nba player on yalls show and he disagrees with you are you going to shut up and say yes sir whenever he goes against one of your takes? Do you see how stupid that sounds?
Nostalgia is clouding everyone’s judgement. Back in the day it was the same arguments as now in terms of the game. It was terrible teams that also were playing bad basketball back then too. It’s a repeated pattern but a different look because it’s threes.
Nah the current generation is the only era with bad basketball. Everyone plays the same and all teams play the same. We need more deep and contested midrange shots.
Just wanna big up the whole PC panelist for the good year of content you've provided. I've started watching you around the 24 finals and i've not looked back since. Thanks and hopefully the community will grow bigger and also GET MORE LIKES FROM THE CHAT.
Bro getting laughed off the show and have the nerve to reply to me when I say something about his dumb ass logic. I’m gone sit back and let y’all do it this time. It was literally only a matter of time.
people please watch game 7 between the spurs and pistons. Count how many times a guard on either team has a drive to the basket and their own teammate cuts into their path fucking it up for them. Keep in mind the reason why the spurs came back in that game was because Pop took mohammed out the game and moved Horry to the 4 to have actual SPACING which lead to Duncan having that big 3rd quarter and opened up the paint for their cutters and manu and parker drives to the basket. The Pistons could have won that game if they didnt run so mich off ball action for Prince to shoot contested LONG 2s when he wasnt a good shooter to begin with.
My PC wishes for 2025 are: 1- I would like to not get the fear that their argument could at any time become nasty (they might be cool off scree). Because i like 99% of what every panelist brings to the show, i.e. diversity of race, background, view of the game, etc.. 2- I'd like for Luka to 'play defense' at a consistent level so i could see that side of OX that said .
we need to have a throwback with fluent and ticket back or something we need actual logic not a fake Canadian add on And a fake ass coach saying dumb shit every week
A committee deciding someone's life when they know nothing about them??? You can't make life decisions for someone off playing basketball. It's up to them and the guidelines you set. A committee is going to do what's best for business every time
1:12:30 this convo about film room is just about team schemes and running sets as a team. The passionate watching and studying the game is like Kobe knowing an individual players 1st move, counter, 3rd counter etc. I don’t think team film sessions are studying players individual tendencies and how they are In a Certain spot doing a certain move to that detail.
individual film sessions certainly do that,but even team film will talk about what to do in certain situations against certain people. well atleast good film rooms anyway. then u got the players who do extra film study,but that comes from more than just watching games live,watching games live is probably the worst way to get an in depth understanding of nuance imo
The narrative that players then weren’t skilled in the previous generations is a disservice to claiming you are knowledgeable about the game of basketball imo.
@@nykareem2001 well in that case the narrative that players today aren’t as good of defenders as the previous generation is a disservice to claiming your knowledgeable about the game because they are restricted by the rules.
@@448DamonXX I mean that’s true. I don’t think defensive schemes are worse today the execution is just impossible because of the officiating. That’s not a gotcha moment
@upfulsoul826 the most noteworthy thing that happened in those Olympics was that the gold medal game was by 1 point. That's nowhere near the peak of what A'ja was doing in 2024. Nevertheless, that ain't got nothing to do with what Caitlin Clark did in 2024. As she played damn near 2x the basketball this year and broke way more records, along with being a magnetic force that drove eyes to the sport. There's no argument for any athlete across all sports to have had a more impressive year barring maybe Simone Biles in the Olympics.
I don't understand why players today don't watch the game to improve themselves as a player. The next 15 minutes: The game is trash why are people shooting 75 threes instead of 75 layups?
made this exact point in the chat go from saying players need to watch the game to develop and get better and 'show love for the game' then less than 20 minutes later 'this isnt basketball,players are worse now,this is unwatchable,nothing is complex,why would anyone teach this' like bro are we serious
@MarzTalksSportsor is it because two things can run together??? Like if more people actually watched basketball starting from maybe 7-10 years then TODAY they wouldn’t be taking all those 3’s!!
This Bron glazing by swipa and chill gotta stop, we need ticket back, sadly that aint happening. He has the worst plus minus on the team and lakers are winning despite him.
The best moment was the T-Wolves vs Denver series. You guys need some women on the panel to discuss the W. Half of you are staring off into space when the W is discussed.
u gotta understand he grew up in the Jordan era where the bad boys pistons were fouling the sh*t out of mj. the league maybe more skilled today but doesn’t mean anything because all they do is shoot threes and to make everything worse people like kyrie,luka only care about scoring and are liabilities on defense.
It could be more skilled .. doesn’t mean they better .. they more skilled but have less IQ and knowledge of the actual GAME of basketball beyond scoring points
Back in the day players used to shoot contested mid range shots. Also the game wasnt crazy physical either. It was a lot of touch fouls like now. There is bad in every era I do my best to big up each era as I can because that’s what best for basketball imo. Yes the threes are annoying now but I think it will correct itself because that’s how stuff like this normally happens. We see it in the nfl now passing isnt as crazy as it was and the running backs are seen as useful
So I agree with some of what Jordan and Marz was saying. I get what Marz saying but you're generating good/open shots but my question for you Marz is how many of those shots does a player have to miss before it's not considered a good shot anymore? For that game at least? I mean I understand a generational shooter like Steph, keep shooting. But if you're in the western conference finals and Ariza and Gordon keeps missing wouldn't you rather Harden take that one dribble and shoot a long 2 instead of making 'the right basketball play" and kicking out to shooters who couldnt throw it in the ocean?
my point was these teams run sets to get threes. it was nothing about midrange vs threes im done having that conversation. but to answer that question i guess id ask a question,what if they take the step in and still miss anyway then what. taking a step in isnt a guaranteed make in fact it probably goes from like 38% chance from three to like 41% for most people so its marginal also the rockets didnt shoot 27 straight threes,they took layups and even some midrange shots they just went 0-27 during the game not 27 straight possessions. but sure they couldve shot more middies in that game i guess
@MarzTalksSports I get that those are the ahits teams want. My issue is not that teams shoot a lot of 3's it's that when they aren't going in they just keep shooting them. It's like some of teams have nothing else they can do. Growing up watching ball they always used to say if your jumpsuit not falling drive to the basketball and try to get to the line so you can get in rhythm. And the reason I brought up Houston is because it was the same as watching OkC lose the the Bucks. Harden one of the greatest offense players we ever seen you gotta go downwith him. Isf if he shoot ever shit. That's better than going down with PJ Tucker and Ariza clanking 3's
@ well houston still drove in that game. and okc didnt even shoot that many threes against milwaukee i just think when u miss alot people think ur shooting more than u are
@ 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 as annoying as he was on the show, dub was part of the OG fabric of PC, I’ve been watching since before the panel, just want some of that nostalgia back
I swear jordan says the dumbest shit and just hears whatever he wants. Just because you don't like what you see doesn't change the facts. Jordan doesn't understand math at all. How are you going to bring up the team was trash barely shooting 3s last year, and then act like you're right because their still trash now shooting 3s alot
No one pointed out that the fg percentage is lower back in the day than it is now because the defense back in the day is better than it is today in don’t understand how that wasn’t talked about once and it doesn’t make sense if the defense is harder and the spacing isn’t nearly as big as it is today while the shot attempts are less the fg percentage will be less
then i would counter that by simply saying 3pters bring down fg% a ton so the fact that a league that shoots 38 threes a game at 36% still has a higher fg% than a league that shoots 15 a game is even more concerning. if u wanna say defense was better then sure (we could have the conversation) but when the only reason i even brought up the fg% is when someone said 'they miss more shots now than they used to' that just simply wasnt true. so what ur saying just isnt really relevant to why the conversation started,but it would be an interesting conversation in its own right
teams have to cover more space while being forced to be less physical and the average player is now more skilled. Its easier to play defense when the paint is constantly being congested with a big on each block and the corners not being utilized for spacing.
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A 28 year old trying to tell Chill what was going on in the 90s is hilarious I was crying 🤣🤣🤣
@@dfourdior9318 Jordan being younger than Low is crazy
@@dfourdior9318 when was i trying to do that?
Jordan the oldest looking 28 i seen ina while
man finally went past the age of 25 and he wanna be unc so bad😂
Chill admitting Wemby was better than Randle was a top 25 moment
@@hjalmarskytnielsen9383 Jordan And Marz getting into it took so much attention that we the people just glossed over this
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@@Matthew-xl5bc yesterday when they talked about Wemby
@@Matthew-xl5bc Yesterday 1:20:30
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Man 🤦🏽 I wish Jordan was on the old panel so they could just shut his takes down before he even gets started because my god they’re arguing about just WRONG points like why are y’all even debating that they weren’t Isoing in the 90s? Why are y’all arguing that teams aren’t running plays today? Why are y’all arguing that players in the 90s weren’t less skilled than players today?
And they way he talks about the 90s too you coulda sworn Jordan was Chill's age
I wish you’d quit bitching so we even
I’m saying they use to get shi in check
@@sincerlykentrell9316Facts Guys like Ticket and Fluent and Dub wouldn't let Jordan say this goofy stuff. But you know who ran them off
@@malikwilson7387Ticket would be agreeing with Jordan wym 😭😭😭
Ticket has said similar things
Jordan think he a basketball guru because he coaches middle schoolers 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@Leonard-d6k high school
You still dumb brody
@@drenchmansports HERE YOU GO
@@drenchmansports you zesty ass been cooked this last few episodes
Is his knowledge true or not ?
Ron look like Chris Rock 😂
Is Jordan a pc plant? Meant to take tickets spot as the idiot on the show who is “stuck in the past”?👀
Aye Ong I was thinking this 😭😭
@@448DamonXXhere you go !! Lmaooooo
It ain't ridiculous to think that lmao@@drenchmansports
Ron looking like the dad from the proud family 😂 it looks good tho 🙏🏽😂
fax
Jordan got cooked, boiled, barbecued, sautéed, fried, blended and roasted in this episode
Shut up
Nah
Him, ox and ron was cooking
@@battousaithekingslayer9913your senile
@@battousaithekingslayer9913definitely cooking air
Chill was cooking with the playcalling stuff he was in his bag. Jordan trying to tell him about the 90s is hilarious
I watch so many 90’s games it’s ridiculous
@@drenchmansports CHILL IS THE 90s!!!
@@dat_black_gui1745hes the 40s but i get ur point
@ I do too. They used to run a lot of iso back then. It wasn’t crazy ball movement
@@rashonduswashington4025nah dawg Jordan watched it so he’s right
Cam Reddish caught the craziest stray in that college development debate. Pen and Ox going back and forth for like 10 minutes straight then outta nowhere "CAM REDDISH WAS GON' BE A BUM REGARDLESS"
@@itszaaaamzeh ye marz did kinda cook with that tho……
and cams my guy too i shouldve kept my mouth shut
The Wemby v Giannis matchup was one of the best moments of 2024
Since somehow my points consistently get misinterpreted for some weird reason. What i said was you dont need to watch live nba games to be a great nba player (kawhi is an example) nothing wrong with watching the nba theres also nothing wrong with not watching it (aslong as you are still watching film,preparing for teams correctly and show up and do your job etc)
and in regards to the 3pt debate. i NEVER said nor implied midrange jumpers are bad ive in fact said the opposite on many occasions. i dont think i said anything ab midrange jumpers today . What i said was A)Teams shot worse 20 years ago than they do now and B) Teams run sets.
In regards to the hornets and bulls point. my point was NOT the bulls and hornets had to change their playstyle to how they play this season because they sucked last year (to be honest idek how that could even have been interpreted that way) . my point was the bulls and hornets played completely differently last season and still werent good. and that was in response to someone saying 'and they wonder why they been trash all these years' so my point was they havent been trash cos of all these 3s since billy donovan has completely changed his system and charles lee has implemented something completely different to steve clifford and yet they still sucked before these changes. somehow this will still be misinterpreted looking forward to it.
aot.....
No need to explain it's just Jordan being his usual restarted self😂
Marz how could you possibly type all of this and have it posted that fast…. It’s not possible
@@BIGOXMedia he pre writes it and copy paste it on comments soon as the video drops
Not needing to be a 100% necessity for greatness doesn't mean fanatic behavior isn't linked to the highest examples of success. Which I think is the larger point that was being driven. There's never a singular way to be great but there is a pattern that forms generally speaking. And that link could bring intrinsic value even if it's not an intrinsic occurrence.
Are we ever gonna get back to recapping games and breaking things down lol enough with the lists man. That’s just me though. Didn’t discuss any of the game winners the other night.
whats there to recap and break down. every team in the league plays the same dribble dribble dribble pick and roll drive and kick three. no teams run sets its all the same bad basketball. all we have to do is say who won and the breakdown will be the same for every game
@ aye I’m not Jordan man lol
@MarzTalksSportsTrue everyone knows that the teams and players are all the same. Golden State and Cleveland play the exact same and so on so forth. They need to take more middies with their feet right in the middle of the three point line.
@MarzTalksSports Protect Marz at all costs 🤣🤣
@MarzTalksSportslazy
No way they think that nba players need to watch NBA games in their free time to be good at bball. For most players basketball already occupies most of their day and they dont need more NBA outside of playing and watching film
4 hours occupy most of their day ?
@@drenchmansportsIt’s not like players just only play basketball during a day. There’s getting treatment, training sessions, practice, individual and team lifts, film sessions, etc. Then there’s media obligations, business and advertising events, family time, etc. If players are already dedicating most of their day to basketball and training then why do they need to watch a game live.
@ because it’s called being a professional.. your just guessing what nba players do .. i KNOW.. i was around it for 5 years .. first off they BARELY even practice in the NBA any more and when they do it’s usually about 1-2 hours … I’ll give it a max 4 hours for all that stuff you just said.. no more than 4 hours of their day is dedicated to that stuff your talking about
Giannis said that he does not really watch nba games live or watch other teams and he is a really good player. If you hear him talk, you'll see that he loves basketball. You guys project your feeling on players and act like everyone is like you
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You mean to tell me that watching live basketball games isn’t a requirement for being a top player, and it’s more important to be a hard worker that locks into film, studying, and dedicating time to better your game. Who could have seen that coming?
Where tf Ron Hair go
It’s quite simple to understand back then there would be what one shot creator on a starting lineup as opposed to now there are probably 2 to 3 shot creators on a starting lineup so there isn’t a need to run as much sets because I have 2 to 3 guys who can break down the defense themselves. I watched a game where Magic ran down the sideline and gave James worthy the ball in the post 9 times in a row you tell me where there’s variety in that.
Cause James worthy was a bad man … so you just proved your point wrong
@@drenchmansportstheres no way ur real
jordan aint u the guy who said dennis schroder is better then dwhite? u have outrageous takes you do not know ball.
Yeah i am him .. you still a disgrace to your nation
@@motazmousa6160 give me Denis Schroder
Jordan acts like plenty of former/current nba players, coaches, and GMs, wouldn’t agree with the takes Marz makes. Not every nba player to have ever lived would agree with the things you say man. That alone dismantles the whole “oh i played argument” because not all of them would agree with you anyways. Acts like he was a 10 year nba vet. That “didn’t play” argument is tired as hell at this point, its just brought out by people who cant use logic to backup their claims. Not saying hes wrong all the time but jesus man we get it you played a higher level of basketball congratulations. If every single player that played at a higher level than you wouldn’t always agree with you, then that point is absolutely mute.
not to mention i be gettin buckets
on 2k
@MarzTalksSports buckets are buckets
The current and some former gm’s , are guys that never played before either like Daryl Morey , which how they come up with this bs ass analytics.. and most PLAYERS from back then disagree with this style of play.. even guys like LEBRON disagree with all the 3’s being shot.. so does Steph. Or whoever .. the brand of basketball across all levels is BAD .. from NBA to Elementary. The reason why is because you got so many people who think that shooting 104 3’s in an nba game and only score 115 points while missing 75 of them is amazing basketball…. You know why? Because if you never played before you don’t realize that shooting an NBA 3 is far as hell!!! So when you going 1-9 like (Josh Giddey) you shouldn’t keep shooting , you should possibly get in closer and make a few to get you a better Rhythm so you can shoot the 3.. but if you never ever played before .. you can’t relate to that concept. Because you never lived it or witnessed it
@@drenchmansports i wasn’t talking about the 3pt conversation specifically, but either way like i said there are plenty of former/current nba players who dont gaf and think its fine im sure. That alone defeats the point you’re trying to make here. They all have different opinions like everyone else on the planet. Your point of view isnt the viewpoint of every single nba player to ever play. Your really think every single nba player holds the same opinion as you? You really think you know better than NBA GMs too? They’re not wrong just because you disagree with them it doesn’t work like that. Its also ironic you diss the guys who never played that work for and around the nba, while in a different argument you said you need an mvp to be in the best in the world talks when plenty of guys who never played vote on the awards bro. You’re extremely biased, and thats fine honestly everyone has their bias. But to act like your word is law because you played ball when plenty of guys who played ball at a higher level than you would disagree with some of your takes simply lacks logic and objectivity. If yall get an nba player on yalls show and he disagrees with you are you going to shut up and say yes sir whenever he goes against one of your takes? Do you see how stupid that sounds?
Nostalgia is clouding everyone’s judgement. Back in the day it was the same arguments as now in terms of the game. It was terrible teams that also were playing bad basketball back then too. It’s a repeated pattern but a different look because it’s threes.
Nah the current generation is the only era with bad basketball. Everyone plays the same and all teams play the same. We need more deep and contested midrange shots.
@ w troll lol.
@@BlkStar99😂😂😂😂
My favorite moment in 2024 seeing harden still be so good at this age
Facts
cook
celtics clippers finals. WE WILL BE THERE
@@motazmousa6160 shit I hope so
@ philly clippers*
Just wanna big up the whole PC panelist for the good year of content you've provided. I've started watching you around the 24 finals and i've not looked back since. Thanks and hopefully the community will grow bigger and also GET MORE LIKES FROM THE CHAT.
Bro getting laughed off the show and have the nerve to reply to me when I say something about his dumb ass logic. I’m gone sit back and let y’all do it this time. It was literally only a matter of time.
Here you go crying again .. a real man would never cry as much as you do in the comments. Go do something manly bron
people please watch game 7 between the spurs and pistons. Count how many times a guard on either team has a drive to the basket and their own teammate cuts into their path fucking it up for them. Keep in mind the reason why the spurs came back in that game was because Pop took mohammed out the game and moved Horry to the 4 to have actual SPACING which lead to Duncan having that big 3rd quarter and opened up the paint for their cutters and manu and parker drives to the basket. The Pistons could have won that game if they didnt run so mich off ball action for Prince to shoot contested LONG 2s when he wasnt a good shooter to begin with.
The watching basketball live argument is wild 😂 watching CHA/CHI on Tuesday night really improved my understanding of how to play ball
My PC wishes for 2025 are:
1- I would like to not get the fear that their argument could at any time become nasty (they might be cool off scree). Because i like 99% of what every panelist brings to the show, i.e. diversity of race, background, view of the game, etc..
2- I'd like for Luka to 'play defense' at a consistent level so i could see that side of OX that said .
Pen I was just making an observation. I said no shade. I’m sorry that you and Marz had to deal with that but it’s just obvious.
thanks for feeling sympathy for my apparent fatherless home
fake black man
My top moment of 2024 was KD getting swept out the playoffs (again) going out sad after leaving steph 💔
Marz was cooking talking about the midrange shots with jordan
I actually don’t get how some of ya swear ya hoop. But seemingly have no idea what you’re talking about when discussing basketball in depth.
This fool said idk how field goal percentage work😂
man dont know simple fractions
It’s funny because he was condescending when Marz questioned him😂 like bro it was a valid question cuz what he said made no sense
we need to have a throwback with fluent and ticket back or something we need actual logic not a fake Canadian add on
And a fake ass coach saying dumb shit every week
Facts
A committee deciding someone's life when they know nothing about them??? You can't make life decisions for someone off playing basketball. It's up to them and the guidelines you set. A committee is going to do what's best for business every time
I could only imagine Jordan and ticket goin at it 😭😭😭
I don’t like blanket statements like none of the players watch the game because we don’t know every single player
1:12:30 this convo about film room is just about team schemes and running sets as a team. The passionate watching and studying the game is like Kobe knowing an individual players 1st move, counter, 3rd counter etc. I don’t think team film sessions are studying players individual tendencies and how they are In a Certain spot doing a certain move to that detail.
individual film sessions certainly do that,but even team film will talk about what to do in certain situations against certain people. well atleast good film rooms anyway. then u got the players who do extra film study,but that comes from more than just watching games live,watching games live is probably the worst way to get an in depth understanding of nuance imo
As a spurs fan I thought Diaw might’ve got Kawhi’s first MVP
U not a spurs fan
I agree with Marz about watching ball. Watching film vs watching live is diff things
Then you disagree with him then
@@drenchmansportsu really dont listen to a word i say. that is verbatim what i said
The 2nd hooper on the panel that “knows the game” with cte , pc is back for 2025
The narrative that players then weren’t skilled in the previous generations is a disservice to claiming you are knowledgeable about the game of basketball imo.
Facts. They were constrained by the rules. Chill should be ashamed 🤦♂️
@@nykareem2001 Kyrie cooking ALL them bums. We DONE with the 90s
facts
@@nykareem2001 well in that case the narrative that players today aren’t as good of defenders as the previous generation is a disservice to claiming your knowledgeable about the game because they are restricted by the rules.
@@448DamonXX I mean that’s true. I don’t think defensive schemes are worse today the execution is just impossible because of the officiating. That’s not a gotcha moment
Nah Jordan cooked this episode…all of a sudden chill and marz wanna focus on the exception 😂😂😂
W show but Marz hate for Bron makes no sense 😅
why
@ I have no problem but Damm marz it’s like every time someone talks bron u roll your eyes
@@robinpierre8045and i will continue to do so. people makin everything ab bron im tired of it
@ fair enough but no hate for at least one day 👀
I'm so glad Marz has come around to the "Jordan aka drench man is fucking annoying" FC
Ron don’t look right with his haircut, bring back the dreads pause No Diddy
extensions?
@ Didnt know that
Lake show on top mfers show respect
Best basketball moment of 2024 is everything Caitlin Clark. THAT'S the Michael Jordan and Lebron Successor.
A'ja was great in the Olympics. Clark is the most glazed player in basketball history.
@upfulsoul826 the most noteworthy thing that happened in those Olympics was that the gold medal game was by 1 point. That's nowhere near the peak of what A'ja was doing in 2024. Nevertheless, that ain't got nothing to do with what Caitlin Clark did in 2024. As she played damn near 2x the basketball this year and broke way more records, along with being a magnetic force that drove eyes to the sport. There's no argument for any athlete across all sports to have had a more impressive year barring maybe Simone Biles in the Olympics.
man why Jordan look like Amar’e stoudemire 😭
Mavs walking down SGA just so we could give SGA the motivation to get better and be mvp 😤
Marz' take is correct
Marz has been relentless with his troll lately lol, be nice bro
Bro said I watched old school film to someone that was a grown man during the time
ill always think going back and watching something is more reliable than relying on your memory of it 25 years ago
@MarzTalksSports Which makes it crazy the 25 year old memory was better
@user-gc2ln8fy1fthats a whole nother story
I don't understand why players today don't watch the game to improve themselves as a player.
The next 15 minutes:
The game is trash why are people shooting 75 threes instead of 75 layups?
made this exact point in the chat go from saying players need to watch the game to develop and get better and 'show love for the game' then less than 20 minutes later 'this isnt basketball,players are worse now,this is unwatchable,nothing is complex,why would anyone teach this' like bro are we serious
@MarzTalksSportsor is it because two things can run together??? Like if more people actually watched basketball starting from maybe 7-10 years then TODAY they wouldn’t be taking all those 3’s!!
@@drenchmansports yeah if they watched the games theyd take more 1 dribble pullups for u. thats the problem.
@MarzTalksSports That's absolutely crazy bruh🤦🏾😂
@MarzTalksSports not my point but go ahead
This Bron glazing by swipa and chill gotta stop, we need ticket back, sadly that aint happening. He has the worst plus minus on the team and lakers are winning despite him.
We really going into 2025 coping for Julius Randle 😞
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Chill top moment was the PELICANS??????😂
The best moment was the T-Wolves vs Denver series. You guys need some women on the panel to discuss the W. Half of you are staring off into space when the W is discussed.
ox ron and chill locked in to the W. i cant speak for pen and jordan
Imagine thinking that women care about the WNBA. Haven't met 1 that gave a fuck yet
😅😅😅😅😅 marz stay cooking jordan 😂😂😂
W Ox picks lol
Why don't you bring up the trash teams of the 80s and 90s with these "great fundamentals and IQ".
they didnt watch em and they damn sure aint going back and watching em
Why is Jordan acting like the league isn’t more skilled today? It’s pretty obvious😂
u gotta understand he grew up in the Jordan era where the bad boys pistons were fouling the sh*t out of mj. the league maybe more skilled today but doesn’t mean anything because all they do is shoot threes and to make everything worse people like kyrie,luka only care about scoring and are liabilities on defense.
@ giannis is an exception, but they shoot more threes because they have better three point shooters 😂
It could be more skilled .. doesn’t mean they better .. they more skilled but have less IQ and knowledge of the actual GAME of basketball beyond scoring points
@ that’s the point I’m making they are better 😂
Back in the day players used to shoot contested mid range shots. Also the game wasnt crazy physical either. It was a lot of touch fouls like now. There is bad in every era I do my best to big up each era as I can because that’s what best for basketball imo. Yes the threes are annoying now but I think it will correct itself because that’s how stuff like this normally happens. We see it in the nfl now passing isnt as crazy as it was and the running backs are seen as useful
Lmao people who actually played the game can't stand getting flame broiled by marz 😂😂😂. Why you think ox doesn't mess with marz.
ox dont fw me? damn
what year was jordan born?
96😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@448DamonXXomg u can’t make this up lol
Tell ox that keegan Murray will never be better than amen Thompson
Yo is pen a child? Why bro hinting at Joel mention we don’t care🤷🏽♂️😂
Marz I agree with your point about not cheating. Lol that should be a normal expectation.
i didnt think thatd be controversial
@MarzTalksSports Neither did I but hey, people never cease to amaze me.
So I agree with some of what Jordan and Marz was saying. I get what Marz saying but you're generating good/open shots but my question for you Marz is how many of those shots does a player have to miss before it's not considered a good shot anymore? For that game at least? I mean I understand a generational shooter like Steph, keep shooting. But if you're in the western conference finals and Ariza and Gordon keeps missing wouldn't you rather Harden take that one dribble and shoot a long 2 instead of making 'the right basketball play" and kicking out to shooters who couldnt throw it in the ocean?
my point was these teams run sets to get threes. it was nothing about midrange vs threes im done having that conversation. but to answer that question i guess id ask a question,what if they take the step in and still miss anyway then what. taking a step in isnt a guaranteed make in fact it probably goes from like 38% chance from three to like 41% for most people so its marginal also the rockets didnt shoot 27 straight threes,they took layups and even some midrange shots they just went 0-27 during the game not 27 straight possessions. but sure they couldve shot more middies in that game i guess
Also .. if you were hitting them you probably wouldn’t be open
@@drenchmansportsMmmmmmmmmm wonder how boston open all the damn time then,they must be bricking every game
@MarzTalksSports I get that those are the ahits teams want. My issue is not that teams shoot a lot of 3's it's that when they aren't going in they just keep shooting them. It's like some of teams have nothing else they can do. Growing up watching ball they always used to say if your jumpsuit not falling drive to the basketball and try to get to the line so you can get in rhythm. And the reason I brought up Houston is because it was the same as watching OkC lose the the Bucks. Harden one of the greatest offense players we ever seen you gotta go downwith him. Isf if he shoot ever shit. That's better than going down with PJ Tucker and Ariza clanking 3's
@ well houston still drove in that game. and okc didnt even shoot that many threes against milwaukee i just think when u miss alot people think ur shooting more than u are
Jordan be trying his hardest to be a old head
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Jordan gotta be one of the dumbest people playerchoice has ever had and I’ve been here since before marz first episode
Sorry Julian .. quit crying
@ quit crying got it 🤣 never that gango
damn thats a long ass time
@MarzTalksSports lmao deadass back original pc episode 76ish or so. Had a few convos with ya, particularly shaq
@@JulianCozyW julian
w jordan w marz w me…no pen
I really miss dub on the show, pay that man
😐
@ 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 as annoying as he was on the show, dub was part of the OG fabric of PC, I’ve been watching since before the panel, just want some of that nostalgia back
@@camruncolets get shaq and del back forsure
@ I just assumed they are never coming back lmao especially Shaq
Move on dawg
I swear jordan says the dumbest shit and just hears whatever he wants. Just because you don't like what you see doesn't change the facts. Jordan doesn't understand math at all. How are you going to bring up the team was trash barely shooting 3s last year, and then act like you're right because their still trash now shooting 3s alot
L mathsketballl … but i also have no idea what you’re talking about.. your looking for something that wasn’t there brother
This was a bad episode from Ron and Jordan (as usual). That whole “complex offense” segment was horrible from both of them. Shit was just bad.
3:03:48 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lmao the 80s and 90s missed way more dam shots from 2 you idiots jordan. That's why they decided getting more value for misses
Penn nation stand up
Why do we care about how bad teams play?
i think how all teams play matters
Pen the team you named have a big That shoot lot of 3 the other team don't that's it
damn pc shit crazy
So toronto raptor player dont watch and love nba thats why they suck balls
L Don again and again
No one pointed out that the fg percentage is lower back in the day than it is now because the defense back in the day is better than it is today in don’t understand how that wasn’t talked about once and it doesn’t make sense if the defense is harder and the spacing isn’t nearly as big as it is today while the shot attempts are less the fg percentage will be less
then i would counter that by simply saying 3pters bring down fg% a ton so the fact that a league that shoots 38 threes a game at 36% still has a higher fg% than a league that shoots 15 a game is even more concerning. if u wanna say defense was better then sure (we could have the conversation) but when the only reason i even brought up the fg% is when someone said 'they miss more shots now than they used to' that just simply wasnt true. so what ur saying just isnt really relevant to why the conversation started,but it would be an interesting conversation in its own right
teams have to cover more space while being forced to be less physical and the average player is now more skilled. Its easier to play defense when the paint is constantly being congested with a big on each block and the corners not being utilized for spacing.
Some ppl debate to win instead debate to inform…
W show
frrrrr
W Harden