What made the NBA fun to watch is that each team had it's own identity. Now all the teams do the same thing even when they don't have the personnel to shoot 3's
Thank you! There was parity in styles. There were running teams, half court teams, defensive teams, etc. Example is the Bulls triangle system versus the Jazz pick n roll offense.
People who don’t know the game think players today are “more skilled”. Why? Because they can shoot 3s in a league where defense is obsolete. A lot of these guys lack fundamentals and it’s painfully obvious to ppl who actually know the game. But if you call this out, they label you a “hater” or “old head”😂😂😂
The 3s of today are unguarded since the shooter will flail to get a call so the defender now just has a hand up and moves laterally away from the shooter to avoid the call. If yester years players were allowed to shoot uncontested they more than likely would have the same success rate.
The game was more diverse in it's play back in the day because there were specialist in each offensive category. There were back to the basket, mid-range, and 3-point specialist on each team. Basketball was a mirror image of chess; pawns, rooks, horse, etc.. each piece on the team fit together.
But the game has evolved to prioritize players who can do multiple things, why is that bad? If you have 5 players who can dribble, pass and shoot you will absolutely rinse an old school team like that.
@@colesmith193 except for defense, mid-range, and post play. Shaq and Hakeem were dribbling full court as big men, this narrative that these guys didn’t have skills is crazy.
These nerds found a way to make themselves relevant by using basic math and labeling it "analytics". We know who can play and who can't. I don't need stats to figure that out. There are too many fake stars in the league now who are allowed to carry the ball, travel, foul bait, and take 15 threes a game even though they missed 12 of them because "3 is better than 2" and "Spacing".
*We know who can play and who can't. I don't need stats to figure that out* Bingo. Your comment is spot on. Also the one thing these nerds and casual fans don't understand is that when it comes to analytics and data, there's this thing called "variables." Kobe Bryant's 3pt attempts are not the same as a Ray Allen 3pt attempts.
The 3pt barrage is fool’s gold! The game has become more copycat than anything else. 3 more than 2, but 2 is more than 0. Look how many teams are now trying to copy the Celtics, just as they were trying to copy the Warriors 🤣🤷🏾♂️
@@xavierb9061The Celtics weren't even the top scoring team in the NBA last year, it was the Pacers. But when literally every single team is scoring more than the '96 Bulls, do you think it's possible that it's because nobody defends anymore? What do the analytics have to say about that?
I just wanna know what nba you’re watching bc they definitely play defense. They just shoot more threes lmao. U must not watch though so it’s understandable.
This the same thing they did to Tatum. When he first came in his gae was so clean. Attack basket, mid range, high post. They told him he was taking to many long 2s. Now they mad saying he dont attack. Smh
Get a coach that plays the inside-out game or get a fast break type of coach that preaches get easy transition points instead of difficult three point shots😊
😂😂😂you’re not even exaggerating which is sad…I did the same thing just the other day, only watched maybe 8 minutes of the first quarter and saw 1 dunk and a missed layup, everything else was threes. And guess what? The dunk I saw was uncontested because no one was in the lane - defense or offense🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
@@STR33TJESSUS so you're gonna sit there and act like there wasn't prolific 3pt shooters before steph?? Remarkable 🤦🏾 steph didn't ruin a damn thing. Everyone wanting to be steph ruined the game. Please cut out this bs talking point, it doesn't hold water at all
Def ruined everything. I stopped watching baseball because of it. Pitchers going 4 innings 5 pitchers in a game. Basketball and all the 3's. It's hard to watch.
You missing great baseball. Pitchers changing is an injury prevention, and unpredictability adjustment. Leaving a pitcher in, especially if they are not unbelievably hot. Truth is, hitters pay the bills in baseball. Not the pitchers.
I definitely agree. The fun of watching basketball used to be the creativity. Some dunks, some threes, some crossover jumpers, some blocks, some steals and breakaway dunks or layups.
Too many 3s is ruining the NBA. It's unwatchable in my opinion. It's easy to blame analytics but I think it is that the NBA wants to cater to casual fans for the sake of business, which means more scoring.
Why do you guys want to go back to isolation basketball so bad? Watching people walk the ball up the floor and dump it inside or on the wing for an iso is bad basketball, period.
@@2robjenkinsSeriously, I swear people don’t really watch. How is watching guys like Carmelo back a guy down in the mid post for 15 seconds only to settle for a shitty fade away “a better product”
@@colesmith193 none of these people actually watch games, they see highlights and look at box scores. 90s basketball was terrible to watch. Holding the ball in isolation until there’s 2 seconds left on the shot clock and forcing up a bad shot. That’s not good basketball at any level.
We said that a while ago - it ruined baseball and they changed the rules. The NBA is ruined by entitled players who don’t care and media who wants to be their friends. Analytics is part of the problem. Every team plays exactly the same and the NBA has a truly horrible product.
Same problem in Nascar. Analytics tell drivers to go 70% and stay in line to try to save enough gas to save a pit stop. Might improve chances of winning but terrible entertainment .
You guys complain about everything. Next you're going to complain about WWW because they no longer have chair shots and wrestlers arent jacked steroid freaks anymore.
“I love seeing KD, Shai, Booker shoot the mid range” well yea because they’re some of the best at it ever, and analytics doesn’t say take those shots away for those guys, it says TAKE those shots. But someone like Anthony Edwards, Lebron, they’re not good mid range shooters. Analytics aren’t a blanket statement on most things. Analytics will say a long 2 from someone who makes them at a ~40%~ is a bad shot where as the same shot at ~50%~ is a good shot. Gotta understand what it’s saying and in what context.
My solution not only for the 3 point spamming but for the NBA product as a whole are the following: 1 Turn to Olympic/FIBA size court and Rules Mostly everyone liked how Basketball games that the USA played against Serbia and France in the last 2 rounds. KG even said it had a "90s feel" which is the "Golden era of Basketball. Smaller court dimensions means less space in the half court to get up the 3 and thus would bring back the midrange a bit more. Less minutes in the game also means your possessions mean more so chucking up a 3 wont cost you the game as much as in a NBA 48 minute game vs a Olympic/FIBA 40 minute game you get the best of both worlds. You still will see the 3 in the game for those that like it such as myself and you also get the old school Big and midrange game back. This also means call the game strictly by the rule book. NO HARDEN FOUL BATTING OR 5 STEP TRAVEL. 2 Get rid of the Draft. Institute Promotion and Relegation. To get to the point, copy and Paste England Futbol Pyramid Structure and Academy system onto Basketball Do not know how this would affect highschool, aau and college Basketball but the system that is in place at the moment does not develop the best "Basketball Players". A Teenager thats 14/15 that has all the credentials to play in the NBA right now should be allowed to and should not be restricted because of his age. 3 Get rid of the moronic NBA Cup and get rid of the Playoffs and in exchange just reward the Championship to the team that wins the most regular season games and also have that team along with the 3 teams that finish behind it qualify and play for the Champions league/Club World Cup system Noah Lyles is right, NBA Champion IS NOT the WORLD CHAMPION. You need a Club World Cup to determine that. You also need this system to determine who is the very best Player "In the World" 4 Get rid of the salary cap. 5 Promote International Competition Basketball More that being FIBA and Olympics which are the International side of Basketball. If NBA make these changes, Basketball might Rival Futbol as the World Sport. Basically NBA needs to Futbolized the Sport. Baseball needs to do the same.
This brand of basketball is HORRIBLE. They just chuck threes. Its legit about whos hot or NOT. Thats why these 20 point leads come and go. Teams get hot,then go in a slump and the other team gets hot😂😂😂 as a suns fans eatching booker chuck more threes than mid range bothers me
@@nekaneka-lo2js he would be one of the all time greats if he stuck with what he was great at. He’s just an average to above average 3pt shooter. Won’t be remembered 5 years after he retires.
The other huge problem with the 3-ball sprawl-ball era is it makes for awful matchup meta. Positionless basketball and all the perimeter screening/switching for open looks largely eliminates the direct matchups between players on both ends of the court. We are missing that drama.
Analytics has had a big effect on the NFL. You can now see more teams go for it on fourth down more than ever (i do not know the #'s). Also, notice that teams in the NFL go for the 2pt conversion more now..
The Fix 1. Go back to the 1990's Rims and Basketball size and weight which David Stern changed in 2007 2. Push the Three point line out a foot and do away with it on the side lines or Corners how ever you want to say it. I'm not biased at all cause that was my Favorite Three point shot every now and then as a Point Forward in High School. I would play like Bernard King Cedric Ceballos, David Benoit, Eddie Jones and sneak along the Baselines and sometimes go out to the Three in the corners. They need to do away with that shot though in the NBA for sure. That way players can't just stand around the three point line and they have to move through the lane. Cause the line was always somewhat too close even in the 1990's on the sidelines or corners. 3. Make the Shot clock 28 seconds and after a rebound it's 28 more seconds. That will make Rebounds MEAN SO MUCH like it was and that is where the real action is on the Boards around the Rim when They're all fighting for the Rebounds.
I love your proposal. I still think that kids will be taught to train on 30 foot shots from the front rather than attacking the paint. The sad reality is that the 3 point mania is a virus.
Ah yes, the flat earthers of basketball. They did not change size of balls and rim. They changed the number of panels and even changed to microfiber during that season which cause problems to players like Steve Nash who got blisters and the league were forced to go back to leather. Never let a good conspiracy go to waste though 😂
Basketball as we know it is gone ,the very thing that made it such a beautiful game no longer exist.The mid range pull up jumper, the two way player ,also strong hand checking.Most of the bigs in today game do not no how to post up , basketball is now entertainment.
I think it’s a pretty simple solution and the NBA did it before it’s time to move the three-point line significantly back. Maybe it’s time for 30 ft. Now there’s a bunch of guys who do that already, but at least it would eliminate a bunch of bums who think they can take threes all the time.
Against Dallas he started out smoking hot and it gave them a 10 point lead after the first quarter but the law of averages catches up to you and because he wasn’t taking it to the rim he scored very little the rest of the game and Dallas came back and won while he continued to jack up bricks. It seems that people who consider themselves fans of analytics can’t do basic math to know that no matter how good you’re shooting percentages, if you make your first six or eight shots, you’re going to miss 10 to 15 shots to get back to your average.
@@BearArms2025 no, it was the offensive drought by the Wolves that allowed Dallas to catch up. They don’t have anyone other than Naji who could even slow down Edwards if he wanted to get to the rim. But instead, he continued to take shot after shot from 3 assuming they would eventually go in , but they didn’t. In the first quarter, Edwards went 2-2 and 6-7. The rest of the game he went 3-5 and 1-6. 4 made field goals for 9 points from a guy expected to be an MVP contender. Even Curry only makes 4-10 from three. If he goes 5-5 for a half, chances are low he’ll do better than 1-5 in the second half. So he could be smart and get high percentage shots, but like all gamblers they just can’t believe their luck will run out. That’s why they lost. Just 5 more 2-point baskets or 3 with 4 free throws and they win…..from a guy the Mavs defense can’t stop. Please, let him shoot 15 of them every time they play.
I'm an old school basketball fan, I watched Bird laying on his stomach in front of the bench when he wasn't on the floor and I think that this isn't completely true. I honestly cant say that I prefer 2 point jumpshots over 3's, I like 3 point shots, I just want them to be taken by players that can hit them. I still want dunks and cuts to the basket, I still want hook shots from players that can make them, i REALLY want free flowing passing and screen setting. I have all of these things since I watch the Warriors. The only thing that I cant accept is the absence of defense and the penalization of defense, seeing players drive to the basket, sticking their shoulder into a defender and then going to the line makes me sick. Also, seeing the more marketable players/ teams getting coddled by the refs makes me sick, it assaults my sense of justice and makes me feel like I'm watching a scripted show like pro wrestling.
NBA is ruined by the 3 point shooting, no defense and lack of traveling & carrying calls. There's a reason why everyone loves Olympic basketball more than NBA. Call the game it was meant to be. No superstar calls
Yessss. They got to stop it 😫 Like angel Reese practicing 3 point but can’t make layups or have a jump shot but she is a 4/5. Everyone wants to shoot 3’s.
I can say the nerds reached too far and also Stephen Curry ruined the NBA as well. He did nothing but shoot threes and nothing else so much that the product now is nothing but threes and no defense at all! There’s no variety and teambuilding in the NBA or playstyles anymore.
@ I definitely do. Been watching for a long time and one trick pony Curry has ruined basketball for the worse. Did nothing but shooting 3’s and not contribute defensively or in other areas, everyone only really spoke about his threes and that’s it! He don’t do nothing else but shoot!
The 3 is like the dunk contest when everyone can shoot it well it becomes boring. Just like when everyone can throw down a windmill the dunk contest became boring. It's not analytics. It's just the players have become good shooters. It makes less sense going for layups where you get bruises and bumps when you can just shoot it. Midrange game is tiring compared to spacing out & shooting a j.
I don’t have an issue with analytics itself I actually like that they can give a deeper dive into a players true impact on the game, but where the whole analytics movement went wrong for me is when the nerds or whomever began calling the midrange and “inefficient” “bad shot” and demanding that players eliminate it from their shot diet and instead just jack up more threes without any context of how the defense is playing or playing to certain players particular strengths…
Everything evolves in life. In other sports as players get better they change equipment or rules to keep the balance. It's time to move the line out 3 feet.
correct and allow Zone near and around the Rim. Also make sure the Rims are 10' ft, 19inchs wide and 300Psi. Also that the ball is 29.5 and weighs 9 ounces. cause the NBA isn't doing that at the Arenas the Past 10 years. The Arena directors many times is lowering the rims to 9'10" and lossening the rims to 100psi cause they want higher scoring games.
I grew up in Utah watching John Stocton and Karl Malone, back in the days where there was a strategy and a game plan. Coach Jerry Sloan would call a play, Stockton would bring the ball up and they would execute the play. Today's game is like watching children run up and down the court with no disciplune and no game plan.
Fans have been saying this since the Warriors were dominant years ago. Nothing new. It’s not even about “bad shooters” jacking up 3’s either. It was getting stale when Klay and Curry were doing it successfully also. They just got a pass for it bc they won Championships as a result.
He's being load managed indirectly. If you remember last year, Ant was completely gassed when the Wolves needed him most. I think they believe they can win the whole thing if he's playing like Ant at the end of the season. Also, it is impossible for you to look at the analytics...and then intentionally ignore it in order to make things more exciting, that just doesn't compute.
Three pointer is such a valuable shot, team USA with a bunch of HoF almost lost the Olympics if not for Serbia gone cold in the 4Q. People will inevitably take the most efficient way to do things, unfortunately in basketball it’s at the cost of the mid range game. Maybe make the three pointer even further so not just any players can shoot it.
They took what mattered the most to us who fell in love with ball…and that “feel”! Instincts, the power of the moment, iq, heart , the human element How can i pass this beautiful game to my child?
If you’re not shooting 40% or better from 3 you should not be just throwing up 10+ attempts per game. If anything you’re hurting your team shooting 3-11, 5-15, 2-10 etc
I gave this a shot and I actually like this guy Chris was getting stale either the same generic takes plus he was too afraid to hurt peoples feelings Not hating,he’s getting his money back on television in the second biggest morning sports show in the country (by default….rip undisputed) but that stopped him from keeping it all the way real ,which is a damn shame … his best work was him and Rob’s back and forth . That’s why he decided to leave , rob called him out and made him look silly in important issues . It simply wasn’t worth it anymore instead of spending the time he spent here with his family I totally get it Rob is a hating-ass but loveable oldhead but you can never say rob doesn’t keep it all the way 100 I like this new dude I wish him and rob great success I’ll definitely support the new show
I stopped watching the nba 14 years ago because I got sick of watching LeBrain ruining the game! He single-handily destroyed the nba with his untreated narcissism chasing the silly GOAT concept. I tried to watch the finals last year and it was boring and unwatchable! No defense, endless 3-pointers, no offensive scheme, and just a mess! I doubt it will recover.
Teams just play haphazard and hurried or rushed now. All teams play the Same. The only way a Lesser Roster can beat a better Roster is to play Ball Control and use all 24 seconds and try to get the Offensive Rebound. I remember the 96 Cavs had no Roster and won 50 games by holding the ball the entire game and they would beat Teams like the Sonics 79-77. Cause then the Loaded Sonics wouldn't get in a rhythm and get all their All Stars Enough Shots to get in a Rhythm. I remember Michael Finley by himself in 1997 beat the Loaded Stacked Jazz everytime 68-67. Yes Finley vs an entire Finals Team. HOLD THAT BALL Don't let Stockton get going with his loaded Roster. teams today don't play Smart . They just play hurried and rushed. Playing Run an Gun with the 87 Lakers is STUPID!!!! Unless You have More Dream Teamers Than them Which You don't. But I'll bet you Finley by himself could beat the Lakers in 1987. By playing SMART and Holding the BALL!!!!!!! BALL CONTROL!!!!!! Don't let Magic, Worthy, and Kareem have the ball YOU BEAT THEM. But guys now just shoot with 23 seconds on the clock still and give Magic, Worthy and Kareem a MILLION SHOTS YOU LOSE So now it's just an owners league where who ever pays the most will win. Boston.
F em... Okay. The players 20 years from now will thank you I guess when there's less eyeballs, less revenue and the first time nba contracts don't increase in the CBA
The media made the NBA unwatchable. Adam silver allowing player empowerment is what ruined the game. Changing the rules so players can score more points ruined the game. Shooting a bunch of 3s didn't kill the game
@@jayplunks how was it tough defense when they didn’t shoot the three and still scored as many points as they do today? Have you really watched 80s basketball? The defense was trash and they got any shot they wanted.
@@jayplunks they also called more fouls back then and shot more free throws per game, so I guess you really couldn’t breathe on anyone back then without it being a foul huh?
No matter who sits with Rob, BOTH of them are going to sound as clueless as possible, to intelligent adults. Nothing they say is based on facts, or any research they do + they swear they know what they're talking about, while also knowing they have no experiences in what they're talking about. So mostly everything they say is complete nonsense at best
You guys have to remember that these teams are competing against teams that can shoot 3’s so they have to be able to keep up! I remember fans used to complain that all players wanted to do was dunk now we complaining that they’re shooting too much lol
You can't tell me 3 point shooting make great basketball players. This season Trae Young shot 1-12 with 2 points and Damian Lillard shoot 1-14. What is this trash. Kobe didn't score less than 15 points his last 10 seasons and these guys do it every other game. The 3 ball is way too inconsistent, it's like flipping a coin. Why do you think the slogan it's a slam dunk came from and a 3 is a toss up. I want the guarantee
It’s competing interests. The fans want to watch an esthetically pleasing game in the court and the players and the coaches want to win. Antman playing the way fans wanted last year left him exhausted in the playoffs and I bet the nerds showed him that he’ll score more and use less energy by shooting these 3s.
I have never agree with any two people more than I do with this topic. I still keep up with almost every sport but It has been nearly three years since I've watched a whole NBA game and almost a decade since I've watched a whole MLB game. MLB used to be my favorite sport to watch.
Sad to say that when I "watch" an NBA game nowadays, it's just background noise. I'll glance at it here and there, but it's just so boring & predictable. And it sucks cuz it's still the best league and the most talented league in the world, so there is nothing else on a pro level to watch. Adam Silver is the worst thing to happen to this league.
I like Rob I really do but how many times do we have to hear him say "I've been doing this for 40 years"? We get it you're old it doesn't make you right about everything and it doesn't make you wrong about stuff it means you had a job almost as long as I've been alive. 😂😂
Bro basketball is simple. Your eyes will tell you what you need to know. Plus minus is a weird one as well because who you on the floor with matters and we try to act as if it doesnt
So if someone goes 5/7 from 3 in the first half should they stop shooting ? Y’all don’t make sense. The guys who can’t shoot shouldnt but the guys that can ie Antman should shoot whatever shot he wants
@@SlimeNewsAndrea is right. The whole league has become nothing but threes thanks to one trick curry who shoots 3’s and don’t contribute defensively because of him being a one trick pony
@ First of all, I ain’t a kid. Second of all I have been watching basketball since the late 90’s. If anything I can say you are the kid for even stating such an asinine statement let alone question. So I know ball and the game is a literal joke and downgrade from the best days
@@too8060 well we're not talking bout his career percentages % as of this season he's shooting 48% on 12 3s per game. It's your bedtime grandpa the game has changed
math nerds should stay in their lane and just bookkeep.. they shouldn't be making player personnel decisions or influence anything that happens on the court
Welp if it’s so bad then a coach should coach up his players to have a more diverse game and watch the wins roll in..oh wait, if it was that simple they would have done that already
I don't have a problem with the way the game is played now I would just like the refs to call traveling and carry so that the offensive player doesn't have such a huge advantage
What??? No! Let’s screw it up even more and add a 4pt line! There’s no going back to the good old days. That game is done and gone. This is the new NBA.
No fear from opposing teams when a player like LeBron scores. Teams now say yay our turn to score. Look at basketball from 93 for example, a team goes up by 1 like the Bulls did, the other teams momentum depletes and teams are scared they cant score a basket. Thats difference between games today vs games back then.
I stopped watching the NBA several years ago. The product has become unwatchable. I now watch the Premier League and other leagues in Europe instead of the NBA. Never thought that was possible. 😂
I haven't watched basketball in a while Puts's so boring. I'll watch the playoffs only now. Used to watch religiously growing up and in my early adulthood. Even had to watch on WGN 😂😂😂
Don’t blame the nerds! Blame the people who make decisions that don’t know how to understand analystics and how to use them properly (current data analyst)
What made the NBA fun to watch is that each team had it's own identity. Now all the teams do the same thing even when they don't have the personnel to shoot 3's
EXACTLY
That last sentence sums it up perfectly.
Analytics and the soft European players has ruined the nba
Thank you! There was parity in styles. There were running teams, half court teams, defensive teams, etc. Example is the Bulls triangle system versus the Jazz pick n roll offense.
bingo, a lot of the players just fire up three's, hardly any pot up moves or driving to the bucket for the and one foul
People who don’t know the game think players today are “more skilled”. Why? Because they can shoot 3s in a league where defense is obsolete. A lot of these guys lack fundamentals and it’s painfully obvious to ppl who actually know the game. But if you call this out, they label you a “hater” or “old head”😂😂😂
I agree with everything you wrote!
The 3s of today are unguarded since the shooter will flail to get a call so the defender now just has a hand up and moves laterally away from the shooter to avoid the call. If yester years players were allowed to shoot uncontested they more than likely would have the same success rate.
Defense is way better now
@@FootballMatrix that doesn’t make sense considering scoring has gone up.
Dun comment. Look at ant edwards top 10 highlights last year , more skill than any old players career beaides mj. From ant eyes, they trash
The game was more diverse in it's play back in the day because there were specialist in each offensive category. There were back to the basket, mid-range, and 3-point specialist on each team. Basketball was a mirror image of chess; pawns, rooks, horse, etc.. each piece on the team fit together.
Exactly
Say something we dont already remember
Facts
But the game has evolved to prioritize players who can do multiple things, why is that bad? If you have 5 players who can dribble, pass and shoot you will absolutely rinse an old school team like that.
@@colesmith193 except for defense, mid-range, and post play. Shaq and Hakeem were dribbling full court as big men, this narrative that these guys didn’t have skills is crazy.
These nerds found a way to make themselves relevant by using basic math and labeling it "analytics". We know who can play and who can't. I don't need stats to figure that out. There are too many fake stars in the league now who are allowed to carry the ball, travel, foul bait, and take 15 threes a game even though they missed 12 of them because "3 is better than 2" and "Spacing".
*We know who can play and who can't. I don't need stats to figure that out*
Bingo. Your comment is spot on. Also the one thing these nerds and casual fans don't understand is that when it comes to analytics and data, there's this thing called "variables." Kobe Bryant's 3pt attempts are not the same as a Ray Allen 3pt attempts.
The 3pt barrage is fool’s gold! The game has become more copycat than anything else. 3 more than 2, but 2 is more than 0. Look how many teams are now trying to copy the Celtics, just as they were trying to copy the Warriors 🤣🤷🏾♂️
NBA is scripted entertainment
Analytics is just a mockery to anyone's intelligence
@@xavierb9061The Celtics weren't even the top scoring team in the NBA last year, it was the Pacers. But when literally every single team is scoring more than the '96 Bulls, do you think it's possible that it's because nobody defends anymore? What do the analytics have to say about that?
Amen
1:38 There is an art to journalism 2:00 I see why Rob feels passionately about everyone having a podcast.
Nobody wants to see team’s score about 150 a night, fans actually want to see competitive defense…. The NBA dumbed down the sport to just scoring
NBA 2k entertainment
The LeBron effect.
@@LouSeph stupid bots
Watching FIBA is so refreshing. Still too many threes but they let you play defense.
I just wanna know what nba you’re watching bc they definitely play defense. They just shoot more threes lmao. U must not watch though so it’s understandable.
We been saying this for over 10 years
This the same thing they did to Tatum. When he first came in his gae was so clean. Attack basket, mid range, high post. They told him he was taking to many long 2s. Now they mad saying he dont attack. Smh
If analytics were anything special Daryl Mowry should have 10 championships by now, but instead he has 000000000000000.
I’ll tune into a game for about 5-10 minutes. And in those 5-10 minutes, they’ll shoot about 15 threes. I don’t know how you fix it.
Get a coach that plays the inside-out game or get a fast break type of coach that preaches get easy transition points instead of difficult three point shots😊
Take the corner 3 out!!!!
😂😂😂you’re not even exaggerating which is sad…I did the same thing just the other day, only watched maybe 8 minutes of the first quarter and saw 1 dunk and a missed layup, everything else was threes. And guess what? The dunk I saw was uncontested because no one was in the lane - defense or offense🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
Steph curry is to blame for ruining the game
@@STR33TJESSUS so you're gonna sit there and act like there wasn't prolific 3pt shooters before steph?? Remarkable 🤦🏾 steph didn't ruin a damn thing. Everyone wanting to be steph ruined the game. Please cut out this bs talking point, it doesn't hold water at all
Def ruined everything. I stopped watching baseball because of it. Pitchers going 4 innings 5 pitchers in a game. Basketball and all the 3's. It's hard to watch.
It’s just a 3 point shooting contest. No posting up, no defense, just a bunch of Steph wannabes
Facts... I used to love baseball but analytics ruined the game... just how it's killing basketball... it's unwatchable and it's boring 😴
@@baldeagle4710 "No posting up" is just blatantly false lmao, ya'll are actually delusional.
You missing great baseball. Pitchers changing is an injury prevention, and unpredictability adjustment. Leaving a pitcher in, especially if they are not unbelievably hot. Truth is, hitters pay the bills in baseball. Not the pitchers.
@nib5567 These pitchers get hurt more now than ever...
I definitely agree. The fun of watching basketball used to be the creativity. Some dunks, some threes, some crossover jumpers, some blocks, some steals and breakaway dunks or layups.
Literally all of these things happen in every game lmao
@@ptyten9718not really
Too many 3s is ruining the NBA. It's unwatchable in my opinion.
It's easy to blame analytics but I think it is that the NBA wants to cater to casual fans for the sake of business, which means more scoring.
NBA has become 2k entertainment for kids
They should have a “he’s on fire” and “boom shakalaka” after players make big plays
Why do you guys want to go back to isolation basketball so bad? Watching people walk the ball up the floor and dump it inside or on the wing for an iso is bad basketball, period.
@@2robjenkinsSeriously, I swear people don’t really watch. How is watching guys like Carmelo back a guy down in the mid post for 15 seconds only to settle for a shitty fade away “a better product”
@@colesmith193 none of these people actually watch games, they see highlights and look at box scores. 90s basketball was terrible to watch. Holding the ball in isolation until there’s 2 seconds left on the shot clock and forcing up a bad shot. That’s not good basketball at any level.
Nah gambling has ruined sports but these guys are paid by the bookies to never ever say anything about it
Dude how old are u gambling has been a part of sports since day one
We said that a while ago - it ruined baseball and they changed the rules. The NBA is ruined by entitled players who don’t care and media who wants to be their friends. Analytics is part of the problem.
Every team plays exactly the same and the NBA has a truly horrible product.
Same problem in Nascar. Analytics tell drivers to go 70% and stay in line to try to save enough gas to save a pit stop. Might improve chances of winning but terrible entertainment .
You guys complain about everything. Next you're going to complain about WWW because they no longer have chair shots and wrestlers arent jacked steroid freaks anymore.
“I love seeing KD, Shai, Booker shoot the mid range” well yea because they’re some of the best at it ever, and analytics doesn’t say take those shots away for those guys, it says TAKE those shots. But someone like Anthony Edwards, Lebron, they’re not good mid range shooters. Analytics aren’t a blanket statement on most things. Analytics will say a long 2 from someone who makes them at a ~40%~ is a bad shot where as the same shot at ~50%~ is a good shot. Gotta understand what it’s saying and in what context.
My solution not only for the 3 point spamming but for the NBA product as a whole are the following:
1 Turn to Olympic/FIBA size court and Rules
Mostly everyone liked how Basketball games that the USA played against Serbia and France in the last 2 rounds. KG even said it had a "90s feel" which is the "Golden era of Basketball.
Smaller court dimensions means less space in the half court to get up the 3 and thus would bring back the midrange a bit more. Less minutes in the game also means your possessions mean more so chucking up a 3 wont cost you the game as much as in a NBA 48 minute game vs a Olympic/FIBA 40 minute game
you get the best of both worlds. You still will see the 3 in the game for those that like it such as myself and you also get the old school Big and midrange game back.
This also means call the game strictly by the rule book. NO HARDEN FOUL BATTING OR 5 STEP TRAVEL.
2 Get rid of the Draft. Institute Promotion and Relegation. To get to the point, copy and Paste England Futbol Pyramid Structure and Academy system onto Basketball
Do not know how this would affect highschool, aau and college Basketball but the system that is in place at the moment does not develop the best "Basketball Players". A Teenager thats 14/15 that has all the credentials to play in the NBA right now should be allowed to and should not be restricted because of his age.
3 Get rid of the moronic NBA Cup and get rid of the Playoffs and in exchange just reward the Championship to the team that wins the most regular season games and also have that team along with the 3 teams that finish behind it qualify and play for the Champions league/Club World Cup system
Noah Lyles is right, NBA Champion IS NOT the WORLD CHAMPION. You need a Club World Cup to determine that. You also need this system to determine who is the very best Player "In the World"
4 Get rid of the salary cap.
5 Promote International Competition Basketball More that being FIBA and Olympics which are the International side of Basketball.
If NBA make these changes, Basketball might Rival Futbol as the World Sport.
Basically NBA needs to Futbolized the Sport. Baseball needs to do the same.
This brand of basketball is HORRIBLE. They just chuck threes. Its legit about whos hot or NOT. Thats why these 20 point leads come and go. Teams get hot,then go in a slump and the other team gets hot😂😂😂 as a suns fans eatching booker chuck more threes than mid range bothers me
@@nekaneka-lo2js he would be one of the all time greats if he stuck with what he was great at. He’s just an average to above average 3pt shooter. Won’t be remembered 5 years after he retires.
Sports is literally about analytics. I think they’re talking about specific implementations of analytics.
The other huge problem with the 3-ball sprawl-ball era is it makes for awful matchup meta. Positionless basketball and all the perimeter screening/switching for open looks largely eliminates the direct matchups between players on both ends of the court. We are missing that drama.
Yup. Lebron never guards any good players and neither does KD
Analytics has had a big effect on the NFL. You can now see more teams go for it on fourth down more than ever (i do not know the #'s). Also, notice that teams in the NFL go for the 2pt conversion more now..
It’s time to take away the corner 3! It’ll open up more post game and mid range. It’s a no brainer!
The Fix
1. Go back to the 1990's Rims and Basketball size and weight which David Stern changed in 2007
2. Push the Three point line out a foot and do away with it on the side lines or Corners how ever you want to say it. I'm not biased at all cause that was my Favorite Three point shot every now and then as a Point Forward in High School. I would play like Bernard King Cedric Ceballos, David Benoit, Eddie Jones and sneak along the Baselines and sometimes go out to the Three in the corners. They need to do away with that shot though in the NBA for sure. That way players can't just stand around the three point line and they have to move through the lane. Cause the line was always somewhat too close even in the 1990's on the sidelines or corners.
3. Make the Shot clock 28 seconds and after a rebound it's 28 more seconds. That will make Rebounds MEAN SO MUCH like it was and that is where the real action is on the Boards around the Rim when They're all fighting for the Rebounds.
Nice callback to my man Ceballos. I can see it now, Nick Van Exel hitting him on the baseline off a drive.
I love your proposal. I still think that kids will be taught to train on 30 foot shots from the front rather than attacking the paint.
The sad reality is that the 3 point mania is a virus.
Ah yes, the flat earthers of basketball. They did not change size of balls and rim. They changed the number of panels and even changed to microfiber during that season which cause problems to players like Steve Nash who got blisters and the league were forced to go back to leather.
Never let a good conspiracy go to waste though 😂
@@vlada Yes hey did change the ball and the rims. FACTS. you look like a caveman flat earther. HAHA
His coach told him to shoot more 3's
Silver spoon babies are ruining the nba.
Kelvin goes "We didn't say the mouth 😁" it made me chuckle
Great and accurate takes
Correct. We also have so many cashiers as media member like rob 👍
Basketball as we know it is gone ,the very thing that made it such a beautiful game no longer exist.The mid range pull up jumper, the two way player ,also strong hand checking.Most of the bigs in today game do not no how to post up , basketball is now entertainment.
I think it’s a pretty simple solution and the NBA did it before it’s time to move the three-point line significantly back. Maybe it’s time for 30 ft. Now there’s a bunch of guys who do that already, but at least it would eliminate a bunch of bums who think they can take threes all the time.
This is why I’m watching more college basketball now. At least they let you play defense.
He’s shooting 45% from 3 he’ll probably take less when he starts missing them
Exactly hes hot
This right here! If he was shooting 33% from 3 I’d say take it inside
Against Dallas he started out smoking hot and it gave them a 10 point lead after the first quarter but the law of averages catches up to you and because he wasn’t taking it to the rim he scored very little the rest of the game and Dallas came back and won while he continued to jack up bricks. It seems that people who consider themselves fans of analytics can’t do basic math to know that no matter how good you’re shooting percentages, if you make your first six or eight shots, you’re going to miss 10 to 15 shots to get back to your average.
@ that’s not always the case the Mavs were shooting 3s also,Kyrie just went off and hit 6 3s of his own
@@BearArms2025 no, it was the offensive drought by the Wolves that allowed Dallas to catch up. They don’t have anyone other than Naji who could even slow down Edwards if he wanted to get to the rim. But instead, he continued to take shot after shot from 3 assuming they would eventually go in , but they didn’t. In the first quarter, Edwards went 2-2 and 6-7. The rest of the game he went 3-5 and 1-6. 4 made field goals for 9 points from a guy expected to be an MVP contender.
Even Curry only makes 4-10 from three. If he goes 5-5 for a half, chances are low he’ll do better than 1-5 in the second half. So he could be smart and get high percentage shots, but like all gamblers they just can’t believe their luck will run out.
That’s why they lost. Just 5 more 2-point baskets or 3 with 4 free throws and they win…..from a guy the Mavs defense can’t stop. Please, let him shoot 15 of them every time they play.
Apply this argument to everything in life
I'm an old school basketball fan, I watched Bird laying on his stomach in front of the bench when he wasn't on the floor and I think that this isn't completely true. I honestly cant say that I prefer 2 point jumpshots over 3's, I like 3 point shots, I just want them to be taken by players that can hit them. I still want dunks and cuts to the basket, I still want hook shots from players that can make them, i REALLY want free flowing passing and screen setting. I have all of these things since I watch the Warriors. The only thing that I cant accept is the absence of defense and the penalization of defense, seeing players drive to the basket, sticking their shoulder into a defender and then going to the line makes me sick. Also, seeing the more marketable players/ teams getting coddled by the refs makes me sick, it assaults my sense of justice and makes me feel like I'm watching a scripted show like pro wrestling.
NBA is ruined by the 3 point shooting, no defense and lack of traveling & carrying calls. There's a reason why everyone loves Olympic basketball more than NBA. Call the game it was meant to be. No superstar calls
Yessss. They got to stop it 😫
Like angel Reese practicing 3 point but can’t make layups or have a jump shot but she is a 4/5. Everyone wants to shoot 3’s.
I can say the nerds reached too far and also Stephen Curry ruined the NBA as well.
He did nothing but shoot threes and nothing else so much that the product now is nothing but threes and no defense at all!
There’s no variety and teambuilding in the NBA or playstyles anymore.
All the teams run the same exact offense now
"He did nothing but shoot threes" is not true
You definitely don't watch basketball if you think Curry only shoots 3s.
@ I definitely do. Been watching for a long time and one trick pony Curry has ruined basketball for the worse. Did nothing but shooting 3’s and not contribute defensively or in other areas, everyone only really spoke about his threes and that’s it!
He don’t do nothing else but shoot!
@@teeletsetse445 Curry has had seasons where he attempted 11 threes
On 19 shots per game
The 3 is like the dunk contest when everyone can shoot it well it becomes boring. Just like when everyone can throw down a windmill the dunk contest became boring. It's not analytics. It's just the players have become good shooters. It makes less sense going for layups where you get bruises and bumps when you can just shoot it. Midrange game is tiring compared to spacing out & shooting a j.
Imo refereeing is ruining the NBA
Thank you for saying it
I don’t have an issue with analytics itself I actually like that they can give a deeper dive into a players true impact on the game, but where the whole analytics movement went wrong for me is when the nerds or whomever began calling the midrange and “inefficient” “bad shot” and demanding that players eliminate it from their shot diet and instead just jack up more threes without any context of how the defense is playing or playing to certain players particular strengths…
Everything evolves in life. In other sports as players get better they change equipment or rules to keep the balance. It's time to move the line out 3 feet.
Eliminate the corner 3 and suddenly defense will be back to normal
correct and allow Zone near and around the Rim. Also make sure the Rims are 10' ft, 19inchs wide and 300Psi. Also that the ball is 29.5 and weighs 9 ounces.
cause the NBA isn't doing that at the Arenas the Past 10 years. The Arena directors many times is lowering the rims to 9'10" and lossening the rims to 100psi cause they want higher scoring games.
I grew up in Utah watching John Stocton and Karl Malone, back in the days where there was a strategy and a game plan. Coach Jerry Sloan would call a play, Stockton would bring the ball up and they would execute the play. Today's game is like watching children run up and down the court with no disciplune and no game plan.
I agree. That’s why a lot of teams who are good struggle in the playoffs where the games slow down refs are more lenient.
Fans have been saying this since the Warriors were dominant years ago. Nothing new. It’s not even about “bad shooters” jacking up 3’s either. It was getting stale when Klay and Curry were doing it successfully also. They just got a pass for it bc they won Championships as a result.
I agree that the question asked to Edwards wasn't good.
Good points Calvin! Where’s Marcellus?
He's being load managed indirectly. If you remember last year, Ant was completely gassed when the Wolves needed him most. I think they believe they can win the whole thing if he's playing like Ant at the end of the season.
Also, it is impossible for you to look at the analytics...and then intentionally ignore it in order to make things more exciting, that just doesn't compute.
1:12 Mouth of the NBA is crazy yo
Three pointer is such a valuable shot, team USA with a bunch of HoF almost lost the Olympics if not for Serbia gone cold in the 4Q. People will inevitably take the most efficient way to do things, unfortunately in basketball it’s at the cost of the mid range game. Maybe make the three pointer even further so not just any players can shoot it.
I suggest that the NBA should take away the three point line... And extra point basket should be closer to the half court....
No the players don’t play defense and still don’t want to slash when they shooting 0-fer 3 quarters in
Good hoops talk fellas ‼️‼️‼️
They took what mattered the most to us who fell in love with ball…and that “feel”!
Instincts, the power of the moment, iq, heart , the human element
How can i pass this beautiful game to my child?
If you’re not shooting 40% or better from 3 you should not be just throwing up 10+ attempts per game. If anything you’re hurting your team shooting 3-11, 5-15, 2-10 etc
I miss when long 3s or a bunch of 3s were a Heat Check and was something special thats long gone
I gave this a shot and I actually like this guy
Chris was getting stale either the same generic takes plus he was too afraid to hurt peoples feelings
Not hating,he’s getting his money back on television in the second biggest morning sports show in the country (by default….rip undisputed) but that stopped him from keeping it all the way real ,which is a damn shame … his best work was him and Rob’s back and forth . That’s why he decided to leave , rob called him out and made him look silly in important issues . It simply wasn’t worth it anymore instead of spending the time he spent here with his family
I totally get it
Rob is a hating-ass but loveable oldhead but you can never say rob doesn’t keep it all the way 100
I like this new dude I wish him and rob great success
I’ll definitely support the new show
I stopped watching the nba 14 years ago because I got sick of watching LeBrain ruining the game! He single-handily destroyed the nba with his untreated narcissism chasing the silly GOAT concept. I tried to watch the finals last year and it was boring and unwatchable! No defense, endless 3-pointers, no offensive scheme, and just a mess! I doubt it will recover.
Teams just play haphazard and hurried or rushed now. All teams play the Same. The only way a Lesser Roster can beat a better Roster is to play Ball Control and use all 24 seconds and try to get the Offensive Rebound. I remember the 96 Cavs had no Roster and won 50 games by holding the ball the entire game and they would beat Teams like the Sonics 79-77. Cause then the Loaded Sonics wouldn't get in a rhythm and get all their All Stars Enough Shots to get in a Rhythm.
I remember Michael Finley by himself in 1997 beat the Loaded Stacked Jazz everytime 68-67. Yes Finley vs an entire Finals Team. HOLD THAT BALL Don't let Stockton get going with his loaded Roster.
teams today don't play Smart . They just play hurried and rushed. Playing Run an Gun with the 87 Lakers is STUPID!!!! Unless You have More Dream Teamers Than them Which You don't. But I'll bet you Finley by himself could beat the Lakers in 1987. By playing SMART and Holding the BALL!!!!!!! BALL CONTROL!!!!!! Don't let Magic, Worthy, and Kareem have the ball YOU BEAT THEM. But guys now just shoot with 23 seconds on the clock still and give Magic, Worthy and Kareem a MILLION SHOTS YOU LOSE
So now it's just an owners league where who ever pays the most will win. Boston.
F em... Okay. The players 20 years from now will thank you I guess when there's less eyeballs, less revenue and the first time nba contracts don't increase in the CBA
The media made the NBA unwatchable. Adam silver allowing player empowerment is what ruined the game. Changing the rules so players can score more points ruined the game. Shooting a bunch of 3s didn't kill the game
Agreed
Here’s the crazy thing, they aren’t scoring more points. They scored way more points in the 80’s.
@mikejones9906 while playing the toughest defense in any era. This era you can look at another player without a tech
@@jayplunks how was it tough defense when they didn’t shoot the three and still scored as many points as they do today? Have you really watched 80s basketball? The defense was trash and they got any shot they wanted.
@@jayplunks they also called more fouls back then and shot more free throws per game, so I guess you really couldn’t breathe on anyone back then without it being a foul huh?
No matter who sits with Rob, BOTH of them are going to sound as clueless as possible, to intelligent adults. Nothing they say is based on facts, or any research they do + they swear they know what they're talking about, while also knowing they have no experiences in what they're talking about. So mostly everything they say is complete nonsense at best
You guys have to remember that these teams are competing against teams that can shoot 3’s so they have to be able to keep up!
I remember fans used to complain that all players wanted to do was dunk now we complaining that they’re shooting too much lol
Implement a 5 second violation instead of 3 seconds and a 3 second offensive violation beyond the 3 point line
You can't tell me 3 point shooting make great basketball players. This season Trae Young shot 1-12 with 2 points and Damian Lillard shoot 1-14. What is this trash. Kobe didn't score less than 15 points his last 10 seasons and these guys do it every other game. The 3 ball is way too inconsistent, it's like flipping a coin. Why do you think the slogan it's a slam dunk came from and a 3 is a toss up. I want the guarantee
It’s competing interests. The fans want to watch an esthetically pleasing game in the court and the players and the coaches want to win. Antman playing the way fans wanted last year left him exhausted in the playoffs and I bet the nerds showed him that he’ll score more and use less energy by shooting these 3s.
No effort on defence and no mid range game killed the nba 🪦
Daryl Morey truly wasted Prime Harden and surrounded him with only other shooting guards+Capela.. literally in love with the 3 ball
I have never agree with any two people more than I do with this topic. I still keep up with almost every sport but It has been nearly three years since I've watched a whole NBA game and almost a decade since I've watched a whole MLB game. MLB used to be my favorite sport to watch.
Lol these comments got me cracking up 🤣🤣 about nerds, numbers and NBA basketball to shoot the 3...
No analytics alone has not ruined the nba,, everyone must include the crappy load management practice,,,
Sad to say that when I "watch" an NBA game nowadays, it's just background noise. I'll glance at it here and there, but it's just so boring & predictable.
And it sucks cuz it's still the best league and the most talented league in the world, so there is nothing else on a pro level to watch.
Adam Silver is the worst thing to happen to this league.
Euro league is better
Ant said at the ALLSTAR game “ain’t no one come out here to compete” - NEVER compare that guy to MJ - EVER!!
I like Rob I really do but how many times do we have to hear him say "I've been doing this for 40 years"? We get it you're old it doesn't make you right about everything and it doesn't make you wrong about stuff it means you had a job almost as long as I've been alive. 😂😂
Bro basketball is simple. Your eyes will tell you what you need to know. Plus minus is a weird one as well because who you on the floor with matters and we try to act as if it doesnt
So if someone goes 5/7 from 3 in the first half should they stop shooting ? Y’all don’t make sense. The guys who can’t shoot shouldnt but the guys that can ie Antman should shoot whatever shot he wants
It’s not the nerds, the nerds just solved the math problem. If ant doesn’t take the 3s and his opponent does, he loses.
Analytics and the soft European players has ruined the nba
THATS THE WHOLE LEAGUE SHOʻOT 3S THANKS STEPH CURRY
Why thank Curry when the 3 was established in the 80s? Use ur own brain kid....
@@SlimeNewsAndrea is right. The whole league has become nothing but threes thanks to one trick curry who shoots 3’s and don’t contribute defensively because of him being a one trick pony
@darnell16player CASUAL when did u start watching basketball kid? Last year?
@ First of all, I ain’t a kid. Second of all I have been watching basketball since the late 90’s. If anything I can say you are the kid for even stating such an asinine statement let alone question.
So I know ball and the game is a literal joke and downgrade from the best days
It’s not difficult to understand.their jack 3s because it’s easier. It’s laziness. Just to go down n jack a 3. No work involved
Ant is shooting like 43% from three
Old men shouting at the cloud. What people want to see is every athlete do the thing they are good at.
STEPH CURRY AND THE OLYMPICS got in Antman head
Antman is shooting 48% from 3 whats the problem
@@12savage68 career 35%. He can't keep that up. He learned from Steph to Jack up 3's.
@@too8060 well we're not talking bout his career percentages % as of this season he's shooting 48% on 12 3s per game. It's your bedtime grandpa the game has changed
@@too8060Steph invented the 3 huh
math nerds should stay in their lane and just bookkeep.. they shouldn't be making player personnel decisions or influence anything that happens on the court
Welp if it’s so bad then a coach should coach up his players to have a more diverse game and watch the wins roll in..oh wait, if it was that simple they would have done that already
I don't have a problem with the way the game is played now I would just like the refs to call traveling and carry so that the offensive player doesn't have such a huge advantage
They need to move the 3 point line back a few feet.
We actually have alot of nerds playing in the NBA too!!!!!
What??? No! Let’s screw it up even more and add a 4pt line! There’s no going back to the good old days. That game is done and gone. This is the new NBA.
Fans want to see the ball go into the basket. Chucking contested deep shots and missing circus layups is bad.
No fear from opposing teams when a player like LeBron scores. Teams now say yay our turn to score. Look at basketball from 93 for example, a team goes up by 1 like the Bulls did, the other teams momentum depletes and teams are scared they cant score a basket. Thats difference between games today vs games back then.
Move the 3 point line back and we'll see who the shooters really are
Then the game becomes more of a circus 🎪🎪🎪
They’ll just practice shooting further 🤷🏿♂️
Not just the game on the floor but the “analytics “ and sports science is ruining the players health.
I honestly hate it. So what if you can shoot a 3 when no one is entertained. At the end of the day, the customer needs to be engaged.
Thank God MJ, Kobe, Vince Carter, Tmac, Iverson, Lebron, Dwade, etc. were not born in the 2000s. It would've robbed us a lot of highlight plays.
Facts
I stopped watching the NBA several years ago. The product has become unwatchable. I now watch the Premier League and other leagues in Europe instead of the NBA. Never thought that was possible. 😂
I quit watching basketball because of all the damn threes.. There is literally no more low post play anymore..
I haven't watched basketball in a while Puts's so boring. I'll watch the playoffs only now. Used to watch religiously growing up and in my early adulthood. Even had to watch on WGN 😂😂😂
I agree 💯
The greed of the NBA is giving fans an inferior product. Too many games + back-to-backs.
Don’t blame the nerds! Blame the people who make decisions that don’t know how to understand analystics and how to use them properly (current data analyst)
Someone got in his ear when he was with the USA team
I been said the NBA is ran by dorks who dont like and dont play basketball. Thats why they keep trying to make it more "enjoyable"
A positive Kobe mention 🫶🏿 3:27 , Chris would never! I like him already