If Wemby was a Lakers, or even a american player, you guys will be comparing him to MJ and Bron since mid November. AD has no place in this debate, I'm sorry.
There’s no way y’all taking current Wemby over AD ya gotta be trolling. Literally a 30 game sample size. Terrible take. Just shows how clueless the fanbase is. 😂
@@Ssjiskkidjjnot a fan of that stick figure but I would rather have AD so I can get bailed out with all the flopping free throws calls he gets. Botha are trash
That dude who said Wemby gets cooked all game doesn’t know ball. Wemby has the lowest dfg % at the rim in the nba at 46.9% next closest is brook with 51% That’s 10 POINTS PER 100 SHOTS an INSANE margin. He absolutely does not get cooked
@@Copiium.. of course him being the height he is he can contest any shot on the floor. He get physically scored on and he sat a few games vs the big boys coming to town.
The only people who cooked Wemby so far was Embiid and Sengun last year and suprisingly Naz Reid has been able to score on him successfully. Everyone else Wemby went toe to toe.
AD started out strong but overall wemby has been better this season. he's averaging damn near the same amount of points as AD while being the best defender in the league. also has to play with bums outside of vassell and sochan
@ why are we pretending lakers have far better talent then the spurs also look at some the teams spurs have beat and tell me which of them are actually good wins 2 of them being without wemby 3 loses without him also lakers record without Ad is 0-1 but ill count the warriors win since he got hurt early and never came back so thats 1-1
Guys, look, we all love AD-at least I do, because he's one of my favorites, and I always defend him-but in this case, it's okay to say Wemby is better this season than AD. That doesn't make Wemby better overall. It's like saying in football that Lamar is having a better season than Patrick, but Lamar isn't better than Patrick overall. So, guys, it's okay; Wemby is having a better season than AD.
@@penkima4923 No, you didn't, because you obviously didn't read what I said. I defend AD because I know he is good, so your reply was empty because those people you are talking about do not apply to me. Try again later.
When Wemby is on the floor, the Spurs have the lowest opponent FG% within the 3ft of the basket. When Wemby sits, the Spurs allow the highest opponent FG% within 3ft. When wemby sits, they fall from #1 defense in the paint to #30, dead last. That is UNHEARD OF. So this "he only blocks shots" and "he has better personel" argument is completely false. Wemby is just THAT GOOD
To say the Spurs are better defensively is simply untrue. That team is hideous defensively without Victor on the floor their defense goes from top 5 to bottom 20.
Wembys teammates look better defensively than they are because of Wembys margin of error and deterence. The only positive defenders are a rookie Stephon castle and a 3rd year Jeremy Sochan. Everyone else is neutral or negative when Wembys off the floor. When he’s on they can be more aggressive and look better. Harrison Barnes is savvy but he’s not locking anyone down if wembys not behind him
Did Ron say wemby has less reasonablity offensively than AD? Wemby has Stephon castle cp3 Jeremy sochan and Devin vasell. AD has LEBRON(who’s 8th in MVP ladder) AR-15
Anthony Davis has a 30% usage rate while Victor has a 32% usage rate. 2% off and essentially averaging the same amount of points in the same amount of true shooting percentage. Offensively they’re not that off but defensively I think it’s not a conversation. So with that in mind Victor is clearly playing better than Anthony Davis
Theres more to offense than scoring though. The SCORING is close. The other aspects of offense wemby is better at. So when you consider scoring is close but playmaking and everything else is clearly wemby...
The fact dat it’s even ah conversation says EVERYTHING.He will be (barring injury) a top 3 player EVER (Jordan Bron and WEMBY)Maybe even THE best ever especially wen he fixes his flaws like all the greats have.
@@christopheb.6121 and I’m with you but being 20 yrs old has nothing to do with a topic they try to do the same thing with Ryan Williams just because he’s younger they elevate him two height that he can hit in the future
AD over the last 20 games: 24ppg AD Last 10 games: 22.5ppg Last 5 games: 17.4ppg Wemby Last 20G: 27.9ppg Wemby Last 10G: 28.1ppg Last 5G: 30.1ppg Bron last 20G: 23.3ppg Reaves last 20G: 17.8ppg Vassel last 20G: 15.8 ppg Sohan Last 20G: 14.4ppg AD has more offensive responsabilities?? DO these guys watch the SPURS!!! Bron Damn near outscore AD in the last 20G ppg !!
@@Ssjiskkidjj 1000% . Last time we saw Bron in a playoffs he got gentleman’s swept 🧹 and Steph simply doesn’t provide enough overall value to compare to Wemby in any setting. The dudes are 40 and 37, it’s over my guy.
Wemby is 20yo and he's already getting people so heated about how he's not this and not that. That's how great he is. It's literally what happened to LeBron, maybe Luka, and nobody else.
I think Wemby is better all around, but it’s very close. They didn’t seem to highlight AD’s 1.6 more rebounds/game. Rebounding is the third part of the game. You also have to consider that Wemby has more free reign to shoot whenever and doesn’t have much competition on his team for stats. I think AD would average 27 pts, 13 rebounds/game on the Spurs. Also AD’s steals and blocks are the same as they’ve always been
Ad is great defensively nobody denies that, he's probably top 3 in defensive players around the league. However, the gap between the 3rd and 1st best defender in the league is a country mile, when people say James harden is the system, Wemby is the Defense. Wemby on a sub-par defensive team can make defense their identity, he completely discourages anyone from attacking the rim and puts up defensive advanced and counting stats that boggle everyone's mind. Couple that with the fact Wemby is just as good if not marginally worse on offense, I think it's clear who the better player is TODAY, not in the future, right now.
@@onlywiigame. he’s shot like 40 percent from three on 11 attempts for a whole month straight, plus he’s pumped up his percentages by 10% around the rim this season alone, he’s put up big numbers agaisnt jokic, embiid, and Rudy. Big slow centers can’t guard him on the perimeter and he’s to quick for them inside, big sticky centers like Embiid and Rudy are actually mismatches for Wemby, the players that do best on him are rangy PFs like Bam or Mobley, he cooks the rest. Also, when your only kryptonite is two players who also happen to be the best two defenders after you, your doing great
Now this is just cap and glaze wemby impact defensively has been better overall since spurs make sure to keep him in paint and he’s great at that cook but Ad still has been more versatile and lately he’s been able to get back to being in paint more and seeing the defense increase sit here and act like there some massive gap when it isn’t is just delusional you simply haven’t been watching lately
I appreciate these guys for really looking at the evidence to conclude Wemby is better. People are so quick to dismiss Wemby praise as glazing when he's been playing at a near MVP level.
AD never avg 30 even on the pelicans so wat are u basing that off sir ? Also i dont think a better defender than AD was at his peak but he damn sure is a better rim protector and better shooter
AD 26ppg/2 3s attempts at 32%/ 77% FTs / 2 Blocks per game Wemby 25ppg/9 3s attempts at 35% / 87% FTs / 4 Blocks per game It ain't even a discussion, Wemby is definitely better and more of a threath both defensively and offensively. 🤣 35 mins to talk about this when it takes 2 mins to check their stats and compare them to realise the obvious.
Bringing up team seeding or team stats to attempt to give AD the edge is misleading because the spurs were very injured to start the season. I believe its only been about the last 4 games of the spurs squad all playing together. Thats also why wemby has had way more responsibility than A.D. as vassell has only recently played himself back into the starting lineup after missing the start of the season with a broken foot.
@@penkima4923 if you think AD-less lakers is a worse defensive team than wemby-less spurs, you trippin’ .. Spurs without wemby is an absolute dogshit in defense 😂😂
Not even 21 yet still has 2 more days at that lol, it's crazy how people wanna downplay him. This dude is one of the only guys we've labeled "generational" who is actually living up to it and is honestly playing better than LeBron was in his 2nd season.
Ox got in his feelings and just wanted to take a shot at Wemby talking about how he gets cooked lol. Dudes the best defender on the planet, stats back that up but also anyone watching the Spurs play this year know damn well he's not "just" blocking shots. He is already a better defender than AD has ever been and thats not a shot at AD, Wemby is just truly generational on that end of the floor. Offensively it's closer, not mad if someone thinks AD is still the better offensive player but what I would say is he is not the 3 level scorer Wemby is at all and doesn't have the creative responsbilities Wemby does, much more of a play finisher.
Y'all better stop the disrespecting AD, wemby is the primary and sometimes only source of scoring in San Antonio, while AD shares the floor with arguably the greatest player of all time who still is really good, and with AD, that will help record wise to AD's case but that makes it that they are sharing the usage
Yea, these mfs are really clueless it’s honestly sad. I just watch this channel to laugh at this point tbh. Theres 0 chance Wemby is better than AD currently.
Wait... Wouldnt that mean AD should get easier shots since hes playing with potentially the greatest player of time? You're saying Wemby is the primary scorer for his team AND the primary defender for his team, yet despite having to be gameplanned against as the primary option for other teams, despite double and even triple teams at times, he still scores only .5 less than AD on nearly the same efficiency yet also clears him defensively this year? How does that quantify him as less than a player as AD? I get it, AD is a historically great player, but bruh, hes not playing better than Wemby right now. And on top of all that, despite missing nearly a month from their secondary scoring option (Vassell) and primary point of attack defender (Sochan), they are only 2 games back from the Lakers... Come on son
...A.D has lebron and Austin reeves is giving the Lakers 18.3ppg and lebron 23.4ppg...if wemby had another player on the team averaging what lebron and Austin reeves are averaging...I think the spurs could easily be a top 2-3 team in the west...and nobody on the spurs team are close to averaging 20 ppg...and the Lakers are only 1.5 better than the spurs...A.D is not outplaying wemby but I also don't think wemby is outplaying A.D...but cause wemby is the better defender and it's not even close...I think wemby is better than A.D so far...
I get that you have to use the eye test to explain why the numbers are the way they are. But pretending numbers don’t matter at all is stupid. Everything Ron is describing is a recorded stat. How often players get contests at the rim. How effective players are at attacking them. How often players attack them or if they’re deterred by their presence. Literally all of it, we don’t have to guess. The problem isn’t that Swipa doesn’t know ball, the problem is that Ron doesn’t understand numbers.
Hey man, if you don’t watch Spurs games, just say that. No need to waste our time and make a 30 min argument about something you don’t know what you’re talking about.
What is Ox talking about? When does wemby get cooked on defense? The man has one of the best defensive rating as a player in the entire NBA. I think he's 5th. When does he get cooked. He does a great job on defense
Wemby doesn’t have to keep guys all the time in front of him to be a “lockdown” defender as he knows he has the advantage of blocking their shots if they get past him. This conventional basketball player rule doesn’t 100% apply to Wemby given his height, skill and athletic ability.
Facts. Wemby do not worry players driving by him as he can still send their sh*ts on the stands. He is the ultimate “lockdown” defender. He doesn’t need to swarm you physically like Lu Dort does. Wemby gives you freedom to roam around and space to shoot, and still players refuse to let go of their shots.
The only difference between ad and wemby defensively is wemby can recover faster to block or alter shots and wemby does that on the daily and it helps him even more with that 8ft wingspan so…but ad is nice tho!
Ox’s whole point was that Wemby gets cooked and then blocks multiple shots and so ppl forget about him getting cooked while AD is a better all round defender. What he fails to realize is that yes, AD is a man to man defender but Wemby’s a shot blocker and his defense at the rim is much more impactful than anything AD could do. If Wemby gets 4 blocks a game that’s at least 8 pts that he prevented which could be the difference between an almost blowout loss and a win.
I think people also underestimate Wemby’s perimeter defense. He’s not the type of big to get switched on a guard and get cooked this guy is talking like he’s a Rudy gobert type of defender.
Yes. That chump’s perception of defense is like how Lu Dort’s physically bully luka LMAO. Defense means preventing opponents to score. That’s it. Wemby is not physically imposing type of defender. He doesn’t need to. His height, wingspan, timing and speed are never seen before. He would let you roam around, even gives you some space, but you’d end up swinging coz you know he’ll send that sh*t to the 3rd row seats 😂😂
AD's team has Lebron averaging 20+ and Reeves averaging 18 nobody on the Spurs is averaging above 15. Cp3 is so washed it's not funny his being top all-time in assists means nothing. @@jthesnip3r90
im from the chi who watched AD all his career. the only thing he has over wemby is his pg skills with his versatility to gaurd smaller guys. wemby is a better shot blocker and a shooter.
Why they arguing about 1st team for either of these guys lmao, 1st team is basically a lock right now. Shai, Luka, Tatum, Giannis, Joker. They both would probably make 2nd team right now
Is it positionless this year? Either way I think you’re right it’s on lock unless Victor keeps on trending upwards because in the month of December this is what he was averaging October stats for Victor 29 PPG 10RPG 5 APG 5 BPG 48/39/89 splits #6 currently on MVP ladder And currently trending #1 for DPOY If he keeps trending in this direction I don’t know how you don’t put someone who’s shooting and almost a part of the 50/40/90 club off 10 attempts from three, arguably could be top five MVP by the end of the season and the best defender in the league not in all NBA first team.
I’m taking Victor. Who is the best defender in the league right now? Undoubtably it’s Victor. Currently I believe Victor is higher than Anthony Davis on the MVP ladder and for this month he’s almost shooting 50/40/90 by the way that almost 40% is off of 10 attempts from the three which is incredible
@@dashawnhicks5384 what do you mean that’s all he does… did I not just show you his stats for December? Did I not just show you that he’s shooting damn near 50/40/90 splits off of 10 attempts from the three-point line? Did I not just tell you that he is ahead of Anthony Davis on the MVP ladder? What do you mean all he does is black shots? His true shooting percentage is .2 above Anthony Davis and that’s with the context that he’s shooting far more threes
How did A.D. win? First and foremost this is when Victor was just warming up because remember he started a little bit off this season. December is really when he started cooking. But even then the last game that they played Anthony Davis only had 19 points meanwhile Victor had 20 points 3 blocks 2 steals. Victor shot better from the three, Anthony Davis got better from the field. Anthony Davis got like three more rebounds but didn’t do so much defensively… how did he win
The lakers were switching everything to start the season, while playing lineups of reaves, Lebron, dlo, and rui. Reaves is the best defender outside AD on that group, lebron defends whenever he feels like it, dlo I don't know if words are needed, rui too slow to guard anybody with speed, you put your best rim protector guarding guards, the other teams dump it inside to the big, if he comes for the block, shooter open, if he stay home it's either layup, easy offensive rebounds or fouls
If Reaves really is the best defender out of that group, it's worse than I thought. Team are targeting Reaves, because most scorers can score on him at will.
So I had to pause after 5 seconds and just want to write this comment. There is almost nothing more irritating than to hear grown men trying to talk over each other. Might work for First take, which is aimed at the dumbest sports fans possible, but for this channel? That's a no from me. Not watching the remaining 35 minutes and 11 seconds of this.
Why? He basically shot 40% from three in the month of December off of 10 attempts from the three-point… why would he stop shooting the three? In the month of December he basically shot 50/40/90… why would he stop shooting three that doesn’t make any sense
@studentofthesaviors.o.s because people just can't fathom a 7'5" dude not wanting to live under the rim, gonna take a while for some of these guys to realize it's fine. That being said sometimes at the end of games he goes cold from 3 and is chucking them with 16 seconds left on the shit clock which is a bit annoying.
@@TheNetworkUnderground and really I would just boil that down to him being in his second year which I think will get corrected very quickly especially with CP3 on his team giving him counsel and I focus more on the fact that he wants to be the one taking those shots which is a good sign
I’m trying to figure out how Anthony Davis is better? Wemby is clearly better defensively and is not a competition because he’s clearly the defensive player of the year so far. Since December Victor has been shooting damn near 50/40/90 from the field off of 10 attempts from three. He’s ahead of Anthony Davis on the MVP ladder at number six. So clearly better defensively, more versatile offensively, and I’d argue a better playmaker.. so what is Anthony Davis better at
@ wemby is only blocking more shots that’s it he’s the tallest player in the league and he’s shooting 7 more 3’s than ad just to make 2 more than AD wemby can’t guard the perimeter AD can and has been wemby and “damn near”means absolutely nothing at 7’5 he’s shooting 47%from the field that’s terrible for a center AD is 52% AD-26/11 2 blocks Wemby-25.5/10 4 blocks all he is doing is blocking more shots
@@jthesnip3r90 he's not just simply blocking shots that's crazy to imply. But even with that statement that does a lot because not only is he blocking the most shots he is deterring even more. And damn near does mean something because in the month of December he's only like 1% off from being 50/40 / 90 splits. Don't try to downplay that because that's incredible especially shooting 10-3s is a game. And what do you mean he can't guard the perimeter? Anthony Davis overall from the rim to the the 3 point is making a 6.6% difference on the defensive end. Victor is making a 6.7%. And specifically at the 3point shots he is making a 4.4% difference to AD's 5.2. So to say that Victor cannot guard the perimeter is ridiculous because the difference is marginal. That is like you trying to say that Anthony Davis Isa much better scorer because he averages 26 and we by can't score because Victor averages 25.6... that's essentially what you're doing when you say that we by can't guard the perimeter.
@@jthesnip3r90lol I can tell you don’t watch games. Wemby doesn’t get cooked on the perimeter. He might not be an elite perimeter defender but hes not even close to a liability.
@ Anthony Davis can guard all positions only person he can’t guard is jokic and nobody in the league can guard him yall see bro block shots and yall saying he the best defender in the league no it’s way more things that goes into that
@@penkima4923 but still that puts less defense on you. Now if wemby has lebron and austin reaves, I would not say he will score more. I think he’ll score the same but on a much higher efficiency. Carrying the offensive load increases your point production but lessen your efficiency. Wemby, while on a bad team, is scoring points on a decent efficiency. Plus he is the DPOY by a mile. Wemby>AD at this point.
you guys had me on the floor laughing my ass off when you tried to put AD in the same conversation as wemby, who's been the best defender of all time while playing jokic level offense
If Wemby was a Lakers, or even a american player, you guys will be comparing him to MJ and Bron since mid November. AD has no place in this debate, I'm sorry.
There’s no way y’all taking current Wemby over AD ya gotta be trolling. Literally a 30 game sample size. Terrible take. Just shows how clueless the fanbase is. 😂
@@Ssjiskkidjjnot a fan of that stick figure but I would rather have AD so I can get bailed out with all the flopping free throws calls he gets. Botha are trash
@@Ssjiskkidjj bro wemby is playing way better rn
@@Ssjiskkidjjwemby is easily better casual
And Victor is only 20/21...AD??
That dude who said Wemby gets cooked all game doesn’t know ball.
Wemby has the lowest dfg % at the rim in the nba at 46.9% next closest is brook with 51%
That’s 10 POINTS PER 100 SHOTS an INSANE margin. He absolutely does not get cooked
Lol dude did you read your own stat? At rim rate don't mean shit
@@B.Piercesports elaborate
@@Copiium.. of course him being the height he is he can contest any shot on the floor. He get physically scored on and he sat a few games vs the big boys coming to town.
@@B.Piercesportsthis doesnt tell me why rim rate doesnt matter, rim protection is the most valuable aspect of defense
as soon as that bozo said that I ran straight to the comments smh
Since Nov. 8, Victor Wembanyama has averaged 29ppg 10rebs, 4 assists, and 4 blocks 50/40/87-splits 🔥 💯
Who gaf he still trash
20:03 who cooks wemby on defense ??😂😂😂 I’ve seen 3 on 1’s where they don’t try wemby
I can't believe they let him get away with it 😂
Dude is delusional.
Dude is emotionally invested. Who cooked Wemby this season? He's just saying anything at this point. The numbers, nor do the eyes lie.
That’s what I’m saying bro just wanted to slight wemby
The only people who cooked Wemby so far was Embiid and Sengun last year and suprisingly Naz Reid has been able to score on him successfully. Everyone else Wemby went toe to toe.
AD started out strong but overall wemby has been better this season. he's averaging damn near the same amount of points as AD while being the best defender in the league. also has to play with bums outside of vassell and sochan
Exactly if wemby had reaves and lebron he’d be a mvp candidate 😂
@@TripVinoso he would be Anthony Davis this not even a good point to make
@@l3gendarysage293 lakers have 18 wins spurs have 16 if wemby had the talent AD has he’d be a mvp candidate because they’d be far better than 18-13
@ why are we pretending lakers have far better talent then the spurs also look at some the teams spurs have beat and tell me which of them are actually good wins 2 of them being without wemby 3 loses without him also lakers record without Ad is 0-1 but ill count the warriors win since he got hurt early and never came back so thats 1-1
They not bums…they just young lol !! Half that roster just got in the league or still tryna figure it out. Yall throw the word bum around too loosely
Guys, look, we all love AD-at least I do, because he's one of my favorites, and I always defend him-but in this case, it's okay to say Wemby is better this season than AD. That doesn't make Wemby better overall. It's like saying in football that Lamar is having a better season than Patrick, but Lamar isn't better than Patrick overall. So, guys, it's okay; Wemby is having a better season than AD.
That's an empty comment. AD has been undermined for the last 10 years, so people hesitate to say AD's good. Not Wemby.
@penkima4923
You replied with an empty comment the minute you said people
@@PrinceDJj I made a point. People like you don't.
@@penkima4923
No, you didn't, because you obviously didn't read what I said. I defend AD because I know he is good, so your reply was empty because those people you are talking about do not apply to me. Try again later.
@@PrinceDJj You sounded like you had a point for a moment, but you didn't mention people so you didn't have a point.
Ron and Ox giving low iq energy this video ngl
Yall be giving ox a pass every time, he always has shit take y’all just ignore it
They’ve always been dumbasses wdym? 😭
Ox be yapping providing no evidence to backup his arguments
Big factz I've been saying this
When Wemby is on the floor, the Spurs have the lowest opponent FG% within the 3ft of the basket. When Wemby sits, the Spurs allow the highest opponent FG% within 3ft. When wemby sits, they fall from #1 defense in the paint to #30, dead last. That is UNHEARD OF. So this "he only blocks shots" and "he has better personel" argument is completely false. Wemby is just THAT GOOD
Overrated
@@ThanosDidTheRightThing I think most people with your argument are just salty he's not American
30:12 if wemby has a better defensive team than the lakers, then how come wemby still carrying that team in defense?
To say the Spurs are better defensively is simply untrue. That team is hideous defensively without Victor on the floor their defense goes from top 5 to bottom 20.
Nah. Wemby is all the spurs defense, and its doing them fine suprisingly. Without wemby? Oh no they would be historically worst.
without Wemby, Spurs Defense is near bottom of the barrel.
Wembys teammates look better defensively than they are because of Wembys margin of error and deterence. The only positive defenders are a rookie Stephon castle and a 3rd year Jeremy Sochan. Everyone else is neutral or negative when Wembys off the floor. When he’s on they can be more aggressive and look better. Harrison Barnes is savvy but he’s not locking anyone down if wembys not behind him
@@sepehragah3225 I agree with that castle is tuff and so is Sochan defensively
Did Ron say wemby has less reasonablity offensively than AD? Wemby has Stephon castle cp3 Jeremy sochan and Devin vasell. AD has LEBRON(who’s 8th in MVP ladder) AR-15
It’s crazy cuz Wemby alr climbing the mvp ladder 🫣
Lebron is a -12 on/off this year
Anthony Davis has a 30% usage rate while Victor has a 32% usage rate. 2% off and essentially averaging the same amount of points in the same amount of true shooting percentage. Offensively they’re not that off but defensively I think it’s not a conversation. So with that in mind Victor is clearly playing better than Anthony Davis
What is the usage rate formula?
@@BIGOXMedia why does that matter? It’s a player’s field goal free-throw and turnovers versus the team’s field goal free-throw and turnovers.
Theres more to offense than scoring though. The SCORING is close. The other aspects of offense wemby is better at.
So when you consider scoring is close but playmaking and everything else is clearly wemby...
@@canadadry4609 Now Wemby the extraordinary playmaker? I’ve heard it all now!!!!
@@BIGOXMediaclearly u don’t watch wemby he’s a great playmaker
Wemby is 20 years.... 😂😂 dont forget that
The fact dat it’s even ah conversation says EVERYTHING.He will be (barring injury) a top 3 player EVER (Jordan Bron and WEMBY)Maybe even THE best ever especially wen he fixes his flaws like all the greats have.
What does that have to do with this
@JCS3-y8o maybe because you as others are comparing a 20 years old kid with 30 years old at minimum dude with Giannis, or AD... Wake up...
@@christopheb.6121 these are the first words you have ever seen me type in your life so wdym you as others like I have even spoke on this topic
@@christopheb.6121 and I’m with you but being 20 yrs old has nothing to do with a topic they try to do the same thing with Ryan Williams just because he’s younger they elevate him two height that he can hit in the future
Wemby>AD this season AD>=Wemby overall
Cook pookie
AD over the last 20 games: 24ppg
AD Last 10 games: 22.5ppg
Last 5 games: 17.4ppg
Wemby Last 20G: 27.9ppg
Wemby Last 10G: 28.1ppg
Last 5G: 30.1ppg
Bron last 20G: 23.3ppg
Reaves last 20G: 17.8ppg
Vassel last 20G: 15.8 ppg
Sohan Last 20G: 14.4ppg
AD has more offensive responsabilities?? DO these guys watch the SPURS!!! Bron Damn near outscore AD in the last 20G ppg !!
AD over Wemby is fine. It’s people having Bron and Steph over Wemby that’s egregious in 2024-25
@@salohcinlaen990 Wait lemme get this straight, You choosing wemby over Bron or Curry in a playoff series? 😂
@@Ssjiskkidjj 1000% . Last time we saw Bron in a playoffs he got gentleman’s swept 🧹 and Steph simply doesn’t provide enough overall value to compare to Wemby in any setting.
The dudes are 40 and 37, it’s over my guy.
The hate on wemby is very questionable it’s like we not watching the same game
Wemby is 20yo and he's already getting people so heated about how he's not this and not that. That's how great he is. It's literally what happened to LeBron, maybe Luka, and nobody else.
I think Wemby is better all around, but it’s very close. They didn’t seem to highlight AD’s 1.6 more rebounds/game. Rebounding is the third part of the game. You also have to consider that Wemby has more free reign to shoot whenever and doesn’t have much competition on his team for stats. I think AD would average 27 pts, 13 rebounds/game on the Spurs. Also AD’s steals and blocks are the same as they’ve always been
Plus, AD isn’t playing his natural position. He hates playing Center. Yet, he still getting busy
Ad is great defensively nobody denies that, he's probably top 3 in defensive players around the league. However, the gap between the 3rd and 1st best defender in the league is a country mile, when people say James harden is the system, Wemby is the Defense. Wemby on a sub-par defensive team can make defense their identity, he completely discourages anyone from attacking the rim and puts up defensive advanced and counting stats that boggle everyone's mind. Couple that with the fact Wemby is just as good if not marginally worse on offense, I think it's clear who the better player is TODAY, not in the future, right now.
Wemby isn’t a dominant offensive player he can’t shoot like that and he can’t dominant big centers
@@onlywiigame.why did he almost got a quadruple double on Jokic his rookie year?
@@onlywiigame. what do you mean he can’t shoot like that he basically shot 50/40/90 for the month of December off 10 attempts from the three
@@onlywiigame. he’s shot like 40 percent from three on 11 attempts for a whole month straight, plus he’s pumped up his percentages by 10% around the rim this season alone, he’s put up big numbers agaisnt jokic, embiid, and Rudy. Big slow centers can’t guard him on the perimeter and he’s to quick for them inside, big sticky centers like Embiid and Rudy are actually mismatches for Wemby, the players that do best on him are rangy PFs like Bam or Mobley, he cooks the rest. Also, when your only kryptonite is two players who also happen to be the best two defenders after you, your doing great
Now this is just cap and glaze wemby impact defensively has been better overall since spurs make sure to keep him in paint and he’s great at that cook but Ad still has been more versatile and lately he’s been able to get back to being in paint more and seeing the defense increase sit here and act like there some massive gap when it isn’t is just delusional you simply haven’t been watching lately
The dpoy should be wembanyama last year and this year...
Use quotation marks if you're just going to quote stuff from other people.
Swipa says don’t use reputation but uses it to compare AD today
Wemby breaking these podcast heads open at 20 years old 🤣
😂😂😂tell Me bout it
I appreciate these guys for really looking at the evidence to conclude Wemby is better. People are so quick to dismiss Wemby praise as glazing when he's been playing at a near MVP level.
If Wemby and AD got traded today, the Lakers would be NBA Champs this year. Stop playing.
While I don’t think Wemby is better than AD YET, I think it’s more than fair to say Wemby has played better than AD so far this season.
AD share the court with Bron though. Wemby is all the Spurs got. Would AD not be averaging 30+ if he was in Wemby’s situation?
not necessarily but maybe
@ More like “not necessarily, but likely” if we’re being honest
AD never avg 30 even on the pelicans so wat are u basing that off sir ? Also i dont think a better defender than AD was at his peak but he damn sure is a better rim protector and better shooter
@@moneyman4740keep in mind you’re comparing someone’s peak to a 20 year old.
AD would be suffocated with the amount of times opposing teams swarming him coz his teammates sucks.
AD really one of the most under appreciated stars
No he was killing it earlier this season he just fell off recently. He was in the mvp race before.
28:30 had me laughing with the "no" 😂
AD 26ppg/2 3s attempts at 32%/ 77% FTs / 2 Blocks per game
Wemby 25ppg/9 3s attempts at 35% / 87% FTs / 4 Blocks per game
It ain't even a discussion, Wemby is definitely better and more of a threath both defensively and offensively. 🤣
35 mins to talk about this when it takes 2 mins to check their stats and compare them to realise the obvious.
Bringing up team seeding or team stats to attempt to give AD the edge is misleading because the spurs were very injured to start the season. I believe its only been about the last 4 games of the spurs squad all playing together. Thats also why wemby has had way more responsibility than A.D. as vassell has only recently played himself back into the starting lineup after missing the start of the season with a broken foot.
Who is the defensive player of the month? Wemby is clearly the better defensive players than AD
Can't say clearly. The Lakers have less than zero defense without AD. He has to do everything defensively.
@@penkima4923 if you think AD-less lakers is a worse defensive team than wemby-less spurs, you trippin’ ..
Spurs without wemby is an absolute dogshit in defense 😂😂
@@reynalyndapat6284 You don't watch Laker games.
I’m a Thunder fan and AD is the only competent defender on the Lakers. He has to be their best perimeter and interior defender.
@@dimitribrutus3719 same with Wemby on the Spurs lol
Ron legit don't know what he talking about, whenever he tries to step out of his role as host he gets destroyed
Devin Vassell has not been the same since his injury. He has not found any consistency offensively.
Could’ve sworn AD GAVE Wemby 40
And wemby gave him 33 in 28 mins u don't hv a point 😂
Yea because that means your playing better during a season
They’ve had duels everytime they matched up since wemby got in the league so stop it
Wemby gave him 30 while playing 10 less min
He gave Zach Collins 20 something wemby wasn't even really on AD much. He did score on him but everybody gets scored on
Get the mic off if that man in red. That's a just ridiculous take. Wemby has been the best defensive player since he came into the league.
What is AD doing that Wemby isn’t? Sharing the ball with LeBron. AD on the spurs gives you 30 easy
@@Alex-wz9ze ad has a higher usage rate than wemby so this argument makes no sense.
@@TheNetworkUndergroundno he doesn’t
@@jthesnip3r90 you are correct my apologies looking at the wrong column
This is stupid logic
He never did in NOLA+he doesn’t have the motor.
Wemby a better passer, defender , and outside shooter
Wemby every day wemby >>>>>>>>>> ad
The fact we are even having a conversation about a 21 year old year 2 player to a 30+ year old Seasoned Vet is very telling . Enough said .
Not even 21 yet still has 2 more days at that lol, it's crazy how people wanna downplay him. This dude is one of the only guys we've labeled "generational" who is actually living up to it and is honestly playing better than LeBron was in his 2nd season.
What do my Cavs have to do to get talked about….
I wonder who the panel thinks is a better scorer between Luka and Shai.
wemby been pullin logo threes like curry this year why bro tryna debate
You guys really need to stop yelling over each other. This is hard to listen to.
Ron is clueless when it comes to speaking basketball
Not clueless. He makes a good host.
AD is slowing down wemby is speeding up
You know he just watch highlights because who is cooking wemby 🤣
Ox got in his feelings and just wanted to take a shot at Wemby talking about how he gets cooked lol. Dudes the best defender on the planet, stats back that up but also anyone watching the Spurs play this year know damn well he's not "just" blocking shots. He is already a better defender than AD has ever been and thats not a shot at AD, Wemby is just truly generational on that end of the floor.
Offensively it's closer, not mad if someone thinks AD is still the better offensive player but what I would say is he is not the 3 level scorer Wemby is at all and doesn't have the creative responsbilities Wemby does, much more of a play finisher.
Why is it the loudest dudes on the podcast have their worse opinions
Stop it!!!!! Not yet
he is
10:11 that Marz “Whats” kill me 😭😭😭😭😭
Let’s not forget the conversations Anthony Edwards was being involved in just 12 months ago.
Y'all better stop the disrespecting AD, wemby is the primary and sometimes only source of scoring in San Antonio, while AD shares the floor with arguably the greatest player of all time who still is really good, and with AD, that will help record wise to AD's case but that makes it that they are sharing the usage
Yea, these mfs are really clueless it’s honestly sad. I just watch this channel to laugh at this point tbh. Theres 0 chance Wemby is better than AD currently.
I mean Wemby only has 1% higher usage rate
Wemby doing this at 20 if ad was that good we would do it with the pelican
@@santiagojosebetancourthenr403 same usage rate, stop lying dude
Wait... Wouldnt that mean AD should get easier shots since hes playing with potentially the greatest player of time? You're saying Wemby is the primary scorer for his team AND the primary defender for his team, yet despite having to be gameplanned against as the primary option for other teams, despite double and even triple teams at times, he still scores only .5 less than AD on nearly the same efficiency yet also clears him defensively this year? How does that quantify him as less than a player as AD? I get it, AD is a historically great player, but bruh, hes not playing better than Wemby right now. And on top of all that, despite missing nearly a month from their secondary scoring option (Vassell) and primary point of attack defender (Sochan), they are only 2 games back from the Lakers... Come on son
Ron need to stick to hosting 😭🤦🏽♂️
...A.D has lebron and Austin reeves is giving the Lakers 18.3ppg and lebron 23.4ppg...if wemby had another player on the team averaging what lebron and Austin reeves are averaging...I think the spurs could easily be a top 2-3 team in the west...and nobody on the spurs team are close to averaging 20 ppg...and the Lakers are only 1.5 better than the spurs...A.D is not outplaying wemby but I also don't think wemby is outplaying A.D...but cause wemby is the better defender and it's not even close...I think wemby is better than A.D so far...
lol ain’t laker fans asking for a center right now to back up AD lmao
I get that you have to use the eye test to explain why the numbers are the way they are. But pretending numbers don’t matter at all is stupid. Everything Ron is describing is a recorded stat. How often players get contests at the rim. How effective players are at attacking them. How often players attack them or if they’re deterred by their presence. Literally all of it, we don’t have to guess. The problem isn’t that Swipa doesn’t know ball, the problem is that Ron doesn’t understand numbers.
Hey man, if you don’t watch Spurs games, just say that. No need to waste our time and make a 30 min argument about something you don’t know what you’re talking about.
What is Ox talking about? When does wemby get cooked on defense? The man has one of the best defensive rating as a player in the entire NBA. I think he's 5th. When does he get cooked. He does a great job on defense
Last years u already forget that wimby beat AD two game in a row😁😅🤔🤫🫣
AD is undefeated against wemby
@@jthesnip3r90mfs just lie for no reason
Show us the games ion why you bums keeep talking 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
AD HAS BEEN BETTER THAN KAT BUT NOT WEMBY
Wemby doesn’t have to keep guys all the time in front of him to be a “lockdown” defender as he knows he has the advantage of blocking their shots if they get past him. This conventional basketball player rule doesn’t 100% apply to Wemby given his height, skill and athletic ability.
Facts. Wemby do not worry players driving by him as he can still send their sh*ts on the stands.
He is the ultimate “lockdown” defender. He doesn’t need to swarm you physically like Lu Dort does. Wemby gives you freedom to roam around and space to shoot, and still players refuse to let go of their shots.
The only difference between ad and wemby defensively is wemby can recover faster to block or alter shots and wemby does that on the daily and it helps him even more with that 8ft wingspan so…but ad is nice tho!
Ad started better but he hasnt been in his beginning of the season form for the past like 2-3 weeks
Ox’s whole point was that Wemby gets cooked and then blocks multiple shots and so ppl forget about him getting cooked while AD is a better all round defender. What he fails to realize is that yes, AD is a man to man defender but Wemby’s a shot blocker and his defense at the rim is much more impactful than anything AD could do. If Wemby gets 4 blocks a game that’s at least 8 pts that he prevented which could be the difference between an almost blowout loss and a win.
I think people also underestimate Wemby’s perimeter defense. He’s not the type of big to get switched on a guard and get cooked this guy is talking like he’s a Rudy gobert type of defender.
Yes. That chump’s perception of defense is like how Lu Dort’s physically bully luka LMAO. Defense means preventing opponents to score. That’s it.
Wemby is not physically imposing type of defender. He doesn’t need to. His height, wingspan, timing and speed are never seen before. He would let you roam around, even gives you some space, but you’d end up swinging coz you know he’ll send that sh*t to the 3rd row seats 😂😂
If wimbynyama is sucks why talk about him🧐🧐
Wemby got so much production his team is 16-16 AD team 18-13
and he has the gravity of Bron to be open
@@breakfastenjoyer he has cp3 to throw him the ball all the time only thing he’s doing is shooting more 3’s
@@jthesnip3r90 cp3 really ? In 2025 ? Great passer but hasnt brung much of anything else on offense
@ what else he needs he has a pass first pg who is top 5 in assists right now most of the passes are going to him
AD's team has Lebron averaging 20+ and Reeves averaging 18 nobody on the Spurs is averaging above 15. Cp3 is so washed it's not funny his being top all-time in assists means nothing. @@jthesnip3r90
Devin is bad this year do you watch the spur ????
the guy is only behind jokic and sga
Wemby will be averaging more points than AD by the end of the year
Let’s just talk real. Anthony Davis isn’t half of wemby this season.
im from the chi who watched AD all his career. the only thing he has over wemby is his pg skills with his versatility to gaurd smaller guys. wemby is a better shot blocker and a shooter.
AD plays physical basketball in the paint. Wemby does not.
Why is Chill so obsessed with Evan Mobley? 😂😂😂😂 Glaze city!!!!
AD started the season on 🔥, Wemby started slow but on 🔥 now.
Perfect statement. Wemby is ahead as of now.
Bruh yall don't see ox and other guys on here having honest takes mostly fanboy biased takes 🤦🏿♂️
It’s funny this won’t b a convo by end of the season, wemby got it
I really enjoyed this argument 😆
Wemby getting cooked, does he even watch the games?
they are both practically the same, numbers are off by tiny amounts (except blocks)
but i would give the edge to wemby right now
Why they arguing about 1st team for either of these guys lmao, 1st team is basically a lock right now. Shai, Luka, Tatum, Giannis, Joker.
They both would probably make 2nd team right now
Is it positionless this year? Either way I think you’re right it’s on lock unless Victor keeps on trending upwards because in the month of December this is what he was averaging
October stats for Victor
29 PPG
10RPG
5 APG
5 BPG
48/39/89 splits
#6 currently on MVP ladder
And currently trending #1 for DPOY
If he keeps trending in this direction I don’t know how you don’t put someone who’s shooting and almost a part of the 50/40/90 club off 10 attempts from three, arguably could be top five MVP by the end of the season and the best defender in the league not in all NBA first team.
lukas not gonna play 65 games thats why the discussion was who right now would take that spot that we all know luka wouldve got
@MarzTalksSports true, forgot about that. I still think KAT has a better argument than both, or Mitchell honestly since Cleveland is so good
@@camctrail i disagree twice,especially with mitchell
Luka not 1st team this year
I’m still taking AD idgaf
I’m taking Victor. Who is the best defender in the league right now? Undoubtably it’s Victor. Currently I believe Victor is higher than Anthony Davis on the MVP ladder and for this month he’s almost shooting 50/40/90 by the way that almost 40% is off of 10 attempts from the three which is incredible
@ don’t matter I’m still taking AD
@@dashawnhicks5384all good. You are allowed to make bad decisions.
@ all wemby do better is block shots and that’s because he’s 7’4
@@dashawnhicks5384 what do you mean that’s all he does… did I not just show you his stats for December? Did I not just show you that he’s shooting damn near 50/40/90 splits off of 10 attempts from the three-point line? Did I not just tell you that he is ahead of Anthony Davis on the MVP ladder? What do you mean all he does is black shots? His true shooting percentage is .2 above Anthony Davis and that’s with the context that he’s shooting far more threes
Wimby hater 😂😂 AD is old...
Wemby is young.
Go look at the game they played against each other AD won !
How did A.D. win? First and foremost this is when Victor was just warming up because remember he started a little bit off this season. December is really when he started cooking. But even then the last game that they played Anthony Davis only had 19 points meanwhile Victor had 20 points 3 blocks 2 steals. Victor shot better from the three, Anthony Davis got better from the field. Anthony Davis got like three more rebounds but didn’t do so much defensively… how did he win
Ox and Ron are slow
Man can we get get rid of these temu dudes that dont know ball. Bro dying on that hill for AD cuz he a homer.
The lakers were switching everything to start the season, while playing lineups of reaves, Lebron, dlo, and rui. Reaves is the best defender outside AD on that group, lebron defends whenever he feels like it, dlo I don't know if words are needed, rui too slow to guard anybody with speed, you put your best rim protector guarding guards, the other teams dump it inside to the big, if he comes for the block, shooter open, if he stay home it's either layup, easy offensive rebounds or fouls
If Reaves really is the best defender out of that group, it's worse than I thought. Team are targeting Reaves, because most scorers can score on him at will.
Lakers have Bron and AD supposedly two all nba players and the spurs have one less win with Wemby
give pen his flowers
lol
AD
So I had to pause after 5 seconds and just want to write this comment. There is almost nothing more irritating than to hear grown men trying to talk over each other. Might work for First take, which is aimed at the dumbest sports fans possible, but for this channel? That's a no from me. Not watching the remaining 35 minutes and 11 seconds of this.
The Spuuurs! Lol🍻🍺
Lebron and Wemby would win the championship rn
Hell no
All Wemby has to do is stop falling in love with the 3 to be better, but until then I’d prefer AD 🤷🏿
Why? He basically shot 40% from three in the month of December off of 10 attempts from the three-point… why would he stop shooting the three? In the month of December he basically shot 50/40/90… why would he stop shooting three that doesn’t make any sense
You probably don't like winning
Dumb argument. He’s providing floor spacing which makes his team better lol. Shooting close to 40% on high volume makes him better casual
@studentofthesaviors.o.s because people just can't fathom a 7'5" dude not wanting to live under the rim, gonna take a while for some of these guys to realize it's fine. That being said sometimes at the end of games he goes cold from 3 and is chucking them with 16 seconds left on the shit clock which is a bit annoying.
@@TheNetworkUnderground and really I would just boil that down to him being in his second year which I think will get corrected very quickly especially with CP3 on his team giving him counsel and I focus more on the fact that he wants to be the one taking those shots which is a good sign
Not yet. But Wemby is getting there.
What? You don't watch Spurs games.💯
@@SaySpawn By the end of the season Wemby will be better. Not yet.
@@adriandantedanosos4146 Like I said, you don't watch Spurs games. How would you know? 🤣💯
October stats for Victor
29 PPG
10RPG
5 APG
5 BPG
48/39/89 splits
#6 currently on MVP ladder
And currently trending #1 for DPOY
Wembeast
AD has been better than wemby cut it out man
I’m trying to figure out how Anthony Davis is better? Wemby is clearly better defensively and is not a competition because he’s clearly the defensive player of the year so far. Since December Victor has been shooting damn near 50/40/90 from the field off of 10 attempts from three. He’s ahead of Anthony Davis on the MVP ladder at number six. So clearly better defensively, more versatile offensively, and I’d argue a better playmaker.. so what is Anthony Davis better at
@ wemby is only blocking more shots that’s it he’s the tallest player in the league and he’s shooting 7 more 3’s than ad just to make 2 more than AD wemby can’t guard the perimeter AD can and has been wemby and “damn near”means absolutely nothing at 7’5 he’s shooting 47%from the field that’s terrible for a center AD is 52%
AD-26/11 2 blocks
Wemby-25.5/10 4 blocks all he is doing is blocking more shots
@@jthesnip3r90 he's not just simply blocking shots that's crazy to imply. But even with that statement that does a lot because not only is he blocking the most shots he is deterring even more. And damn near does mean something because in the month of December he's only like 1% off from being 50/40 / 90 splits. Don't try to downplay that because that's incredible especially shooting 10-3s is a game. And what do you mean he can't guard the perimeter? Anthony Davis overall from the rim to the the 3 point is making a 6.6% difference on the defensive end. Victor is making a 6.7%. And specifically at the 3point shots he is making a 4.4% difference to AD's 5.2. So to say that Victor cannot guard the perimeter is ridiculous because the difference is marginal. That is like you trying to say that Anthony Davis Isa much better scorer because he averages 26 and we by can't score because Victor averages 25.6... that's essentially what you're doing when you say that we by can't guard the perimeter.
@@jthesnip3r90lol I can tell you don’t watch games. Wemby doesn’t get cooked on the perimeter. He might not be an elite perimeter defender but hes not even close to a liability.
@ Anthony Davis can guard all positions only person he can’t guard is jokic and nobody in the league can guard him yall see bro block shots and yall saying he the best defender in the league no it’s way more things that goes into that
Wemby 6th maybe top 5
AD has Bron to share the offensive pressure. He’s more open and all that. Wemby has to work for his proper
It's the other way around. LeBron hogs the ball a lot from AD.
@@penkima4923 but still that puts less defense on you. Now if wemby has lebron and austin reaves, I would not say he will score more. I think he’ll score the same but on a much higher efficiency.
Carrying the offensive load increases your point production but lessen your efficiency. Wemby, while on a bad team, is scoring points on a decent efficiency. Plus he is the DPOY by a mile. Wemby>AD at this point.
@@reynalyndapat6284 Wemby would score much less with LeBron on the team.
you guys had me on the floor laughing my ass off when you tried to put AD in the same conversation as wemby, who's been the best defender of all time while playing jokic level offense
Best defender of wat?
so he’s the goat already?
@@brandonturner7665 not there yet, he will be there once he gets his 7th finals MVP, starting with his first one this season