First it was “Jordan would never lose that many straight games, his competitive nature wouldn’t allow it” then we find out he loss 13 straight and then it switched to “he was outmatched”. I don’t blame Jordan for losing but it’s funny how people move the goalpost for players they like more lol. Let’s just say 1 player isn’t solely responsible for wins and loses.
Jordan alone makes playoffs durning those times by being 1 man team and pushes the team of 5 hall of famers and an alltime great player into the overtime, drops 63 points on Larry... so much so that Larry said "i played against a god desguised as Michael Jordan". Lebron James gets destroyed 11x in a row by having more star power then Jokic.... Alone MJ pushes 5 hall of famers into overtime drops 63... Lebron with AD gets beat 11x by 1 star player
@@RealisticAndTrue this has nothing to do with that or who’s greater, ticket said something that wasn’t true and then moved the goal post, that’s all there is to it lol.
@@tydavis101 Ticket told you what i wrote you... Rookie MJ alone vs one of the best teams in history of NBA takes them to overtime, Lebron with another superstar gets demolished by 1 superstar... that is what ticket told you. Even at 40 years old you add a AD caliber player to MJ he aint losing 11x in a row to anyone... MJ at 40 had 97 points in 2 games back to back on 1 leg, had medical staff come that last season to the locker room before the game to drain fluid from his knee so he can go out and play. He dropped 43 at the age of 40 on a N.J. Nets who went to the final that year....
He was adding context you incel. Something that is the enemy of everything LeBron does, is context. The fact is NBA fans don't like LeBron because he's mediocrity that walks like a man.
I got MJ as the GOAt but Kobe and MJ superfans ..they will call out Lebron and slander him for it..somebody would give them facts and get exposed and will immediately move the goal post and bring up Mamba mentality or Killer Instinct 😂😂😂
The way you’re talking sounds like you don’t have MJ as your GOAT but okay. Kobe only lost to the Spurs 5 straight games and he wasn’t even playing in 2-3 of those games.
@@StandardsFC Kobe got me into the game of basketball when I was 5 and MJ was one of the most inspirational players in NBA history. What do you want me to have as a profile picture a letter R or a letter U? It’s my account I can do whatever I want 😂
@vishtakes MJ is my GOAT yall problem is whenever somebody give Lebron a compliment or not slandering him that must mean we think the greatest or something its insane thinking lol
Istg Jordan fans act like Jordan never had no faults and Marz read them off not only the losses but the inefficiency he shot during those games and they still try to move the goalpost like dawg it’s okay everyone including Jordan had a bad game
Ticket said on his channel Jordan could take 4 players from his chat and they not gone lose 13 straight 😂😂 and his people was buying into that blasphemy
Lmao 🤣😂 but they like to call lebron fans bronsexuals and all those derogatory names, these dudes are the perfect example of sexuals and romanticizers of a player that not even playing.
@boonebeasley9622 Stop being stupid . Everybody needs help . MJ lost when he had no help Lebron has lost a lot when he had a lot of help so which is worse?
@@christiansoldier77 What happened to Jordan drive and will is the point sir nobody says u don't need help it's u Jordan fans that say he would never then when it gets exposed then comes the excuses
Facts mj fanboys said that he was the most unstoppable superstar ever, they say he don't need all that help like lebron, yet he faced Larry bird 13 straight times for a period of time and he couldn't even get a game...smh they're straight 🤡's. 🤣🤣
That's what they fans do they try to argue facts of what happened they can't handle it when you bring them facts they fight against it I'm never gonna argue against something that's a fact that actually happened it's in the NBA books 🤦🏽🤨
@@TheIcemanthomasno that’s not similar at all lebron production and numbers are why he gets sh8t on in 07 if he was productive and efficient it wouldn’t be a question.
@@NoNameWillBeGiven778that was LeBrons 15th year. MJ only played 15 years. Funny you mention that being early in MJs career when he was 24 but don’t mention that LeBron is 14 years older than MJ was when the losing streak started against Denver.
People played a clip showing Lebron said "its just basketball" vs Kobe saying "he still think his team can win" down 0-3 to make Lebron look weak ...but ignore the game right after Lebron dropped 30..14 in the 4th qtr ..and the team won ..Kobe was 32 or 33 droped 17pts on 18 shots and team got blew out by 36..but "Mamba Mentality" so it didnt matter..this not me slandering Kobe just showing the bias ...Kobe fans have to team up and attach themselves with MJ fans to feel better about Kobe spot in nba history ..they are all great players but KEEP THE SAMW ENERGY for all 3 of them
This is like knocking wemby for getting whooped by the nuggets in the playoffs next season. Its actually worse than that cause the celtics had a 5 all star lineup
@@trevorrobinson8652 lol now all of a sudden y'all bawling that mj didn't had enough help? lmao 😂 🤣 the irony....aren't y'all the ones that said mj can do more with less and he don't need that much help like lebron???
@@DiorInEveryStore all stars is not the only thing that makes a team great, it's which team is more complete team, you guys don't even know how to talk basketball but just spread goofy narratives. 👉🤡
@@DerQuanDoucett The majority of the time fans are more concerned with talking points that's easy to identify...what's not easy for the fan is to recognize how the game was actually played. Jordan was playing against a well oiled machine with rusty tools with one new hammer in the tool box with the number 23 engraved on it.
when we talk about MJ career the early days we dont count them because he had no one (but we count the individual stats) when we talk about his last years in washington we dont count them because he passed his prime But with LBJ we count everything since day one till this days (good teammates or not, prime or not) i dont like those what if (things are what they are 11-0 its 11-0, 13-0 its 13-0)
The funniest part is Ticket TV literally starts off acknowledging Jordan's second year in the league when he got hurt and doubles down on Jordan never losing 6 times in a row to the same team. Then wants to back peddle when he hears it was 13 straight.
What's funny is when we talk about MJ going 6-0 in the Finals, they say it's a team game. But when MJ was going up against the Boston Celtics, they say Bird beat MJ. They personalize it.
@@joshuasutton983 No he doesn't. Scottie Pippen is the most hyped up Robin in NBA history. Ever heard the phrases: "MJ couldn't win without Scottie" or "MJ is 1-9 in the playoffs without Scottie"? Funny how no one ever says Steph couldn't win without Klay. Even though the talent gap between Steph and Klay is much smaller than the talent gap between Jordan and Pippen.
@@cyber6sapien No excuses, Bron gets penalized for not winning with Zydrunas, Tristian Thompson (?), Kevin Love, and a past his prime, Wade as his second best player during several finals (07, 15, 17, 18)
Stat Muse Larry Bird was 17-11 versus Michael Jordan in his career. The Boston Celtics from the year of 85 - 88 season was 99 - 4 at home was there Win- Lose record !! Think about that!! Y’all not saying nothing - 😮Larry Bird in His prime won 3 MVPs in a row !! He was Jovic before we knew who Jovic was !! Larry had better teams, coaching and was also a great player !!
Stackhouse was a year removed from making back to back all-star teams. He averaged 30 the second one and was an MVP candidate both years before coming to the Wizards. You tried though🤣
1. You’re blatantly lying. The Celtics hall of famers were a Prime Larry bird, prime Dennis Johnson, Prime Robert Parish, & Bill Walton..not a single player on that team was over 33 and Walton was the only one who was 33 at the time. 2. MJ had literally not a single hall of famers on his team until Scottie Pippen and even he didn’t become a hall of fame caliber player until 91. 3. Mike won 3 chips with Scottie as his only HoF teammate. 4. In 91 Mike & Scottie beat a Lakers team with 3 HOF and Magic was 2nd in MvP voting that year.
Jordan lost 3-0 to the Celtics in 1987. Yes, his team was out matched. However, a few things to note: When you, MJ, take 34 more shots than the next guy on both teams (Oakley took 50), is it really the rest of the team’s fault? When you, MJ, shoot 9-30 in the close out game is it the rest of the team’s fault? Is Charles Oakley averaging 20 & 15 not enough? Is that not comparable to AD putting up 28 & 15 versus Denver? (98 ppg vs. 106 ppg). AD provided minimal more help? Wasn’t MJ 24 and LBJ was 39?
Did you ever even watch those games??? His teammates ain't do nothing but throw up briccs and Charles wasn't giving nobody 20 and 15 oakley was more defensive and a rebounder😂
@@momo4044 nah it was just Woolridge who was chucking up bricks. 62 attempts on 33% shooting but even his true shooting % was 46%, not good but a little better Jordan 51%, TS 58% Corzine 58%, TS 59% Oakley 52%, TS 56% Paxson 47%, TS 60% Banks 56%, TS 56% So no they weren’t throwing up bricks. As my op said they were barely chucking up anything by at all. What they were throwing up was pretty efficient. Mike threw up the most bricks with 47.
@@iaintthereyet914 yeah I confused oakleys stats with a different series, but truth is MJ made it about himself. Can’t have the ball in your hands 60-70% of the time and blame your teammates for losing.
@typg9397 you sound delusional. No one could create for themselves besides Jordan. No one on the Bulls would be a starter on the Celtics besides Jordan.
This conversation is a prime example of why we need to stop having this silly debate. There’s not ONE great in any sport whose legacy you can’t poke a hole in. Just appreciate greatness while you watching it
Moving the goalposts, these excuses arent used for brons finals record when hes facing the avengers with sub par teams. Mj lost 13 in a row, no excuses.
Mark is the stat guy. If not sorry. Bird still owned MJ in the 92 or 93 regular season.MJ in with Scotty his prime. The Celtics and Bird all broken up. The Celtics I think they lost to the Pistons. Then the Pistons beat MJ. Ny years can be off. Great debate
@@08debates Lebron's name is mentioned because if Kobe, Jordan, Jokic/Luka its a Lebron fan. Bird won against MJ when he Bird had a better team. But Jordan's record against Bird favors him as of 1988-1992 (when Pippen arrived.) And Birds' team regularly lost by 30 points.
@@ocityentertainmentlive5185 Bruh listen to the numbers on the part where Jordan shot garbage from the field against the celtics. He didn't go down swinging at all. More like Jacked up shot after shot. Same problem against the Pistons MJ should of passed.
@@lex6794 he shot 45% to 48% and still average 29pts 7reb and 6ast 2st and 1blk. Can you name another player before Pippen got off in bench in 89. That you would have had confidence passing it too? Name two 15pt scorers Jordan played with ;Before 88 when they got Orlando Woolridge and that's the best name I got for you. And you probably don't know who he was!
@@ocityentertainmentlive5185Jordan in a few of those games shot: 5 of 15, 7 of 16, 9 of 30, 9 of 23, 13 of 34, 13 of 31. So that's garbage definitely not Goat stats. Where you got 45-48 % don't know. Not to bring Lebron into this but, on Cleveland the 1st go around 7 years 2nd best player was Booby Gibson, and MJ fans say All the time that Lebron should of won Rings with that roster, and should not of left Cleveland even though they never got him anybody better in 7 years. So MJ has to be held to the same standards he dosen't get a pass if Lebron dosen't. Typical Jordan Fans moving the Goal post. MJ came Into the nba 83-84 and through out the 80s, Bird was not only considered the Best all around player in basketball, he was the best player in the NBA until the back problems. Similar to Jordan losing to the Pistons 3 times, and MJ never even won a playoff series without Pippen.
@@lex6794 Since you bring up Bron. He didn't even make the playoffs in his first two years in Cleveland. So both with bad teammates at least Jordan made the playoffs. That's a difference if I'm correct. If they both had horrible teammates around them well Jordan lead his teams to the playoffs. No goal post moved. Bron missed the playoffs when he returned to Cleveland again then he has missed the playoffs twice in LA. Once without AD and once with AD as a teammate. No goal post moved. Once Pippen became a starter in 89 before the allstar break. Then finally becoming an allstar in 90. Jordan has never had a full season with one allstar and not at least made it to the Eastern Conference Finals. And never lost in the Finals to a lesser team. Bron has twice with adequate help in Miami and Cleveland.
Bird’s team spanked MJ when MJ didn’t have any help. No Allstar caliber teammate at all! This isn’t comparable to Lebron losing 11 straight games playing with AD and the talent he was playing with to a team with 1 Allstar!
You guys is moving to go post like crazy because of ticket regardless of what he said he said it Michael Jordan lost 14 game to Larry Bird . Point blank simple as that.
For the first 2:45 of this show they was setting ticket up😂😂😂😂 EVERYONE KNEW BUT TIX THIS IS HILARIOUS. Chill ain’t ish he knew to he was throwing tix Oop’s on purpose knowing he was gonna miss😂😂😂
@@christiansoldier77 Lebron is 39, what was Jordan doing at age 39? Missing the playoffs lmao. Jordan was near the prime age for basketball being around 23-24 and was getting swept so it’s just as bad. Bron around that age never got swept or loss to a team that many times in a row.
@@yrnquin1560LeBron is on peds so he isn't a normal 39 year old so he is still close to his prime with a good team around him so he should be dominant but he gets dominated. Jordan was a young guy barely two years in the league on a bad team vs the greatest team of All time with 5 hofers . It's not even close to the same thing . If Jordan had a team Iike LeBron has now even at 40 he wouldnt lose like LeBron loses
@@christiansoldier77Jordan at 39 isn’t doing anything with this lakers team like LeBron is at 39. I doubt they even make the playoffs with Jordan. There has yet to be any proof that he’s on PEDs
In the 90’s, the Celtics didn’t get there to play the Bulls. Who cares if the Celtics beat the Bulls in the 80’s. Everyone who KNOWS NBA history knows his team was trash and comes up. Stop.
So the “Final boss “ and his minions claim that he’s a basketball historian and says the chat don’t know basketball correct ? Same dude who didn’t know -KG didn’t win dpoy in minny -KD going to gsw was not a trade - Saying mario Ellie was an important piece in the finals run but he played less than 15 mins in the first final -MJ losing 13 straight to the Celtics
It’s team Sport. Celtics beat the Bulls. Nuggets beat the Lakers. Stop doing this player for player nonsense in a team sport. Celtics at that time were better than Bulls. Nuggets are better than the Lakers now.
Yup 😂😂😂 LeBron never had a 20+ scorer from 03-10 in his Cleveland days. Matter of fact, Woolridge was doing that for 4 yrs straight if I’m not mistaken… and he had Dantley who gave him like 16 as the 3rd guy…
Jordan didn't lose 1v1 to Bird, 5 HOF beat 1 HOF, Oakley, 10 PPG Gene Banks lol. Jokic isn't even on Bird's level, but lead his no All-Star cast to 9-5 vs Lakers in playoffs and 12-1 in last 13 overall.
You know Lebum glazers love creating fake narratives, they need to focus on Lebum passing Kobe in missed shots and STILL not having 5 championships. 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆👀🤔🤣🤣🤣
But when lebron loose to the warriors with kd that won 73-9 before he got there in 2018 y’all say he choke that another loss on his record I just want to know do you count that I am not even a bron fan the same in 2008 and 2010 when he lost to 4 hall of fame in the truth kg ray allen kg and Rondo with perkin and toney and more that had got to great defender on there roster one through 10 with a defensive specialist coach in Tom thidoue do you count that I am making sure that y’all stay consistent
Lebron lost to Denver with Anthony Davis who ranks 5th all time in player efficiency rating and averages 25 points and 12 rebounds every year with ease as you saw in this year's playoffs. Allan R and all the LeBron pipe smoking fan boys can't tell me one player on Jordan's team that warranted a double team on offense, but Bird had McHale and Robert Parrish with former all stars as role players (like Dennis Johnson and Bill Walton). Denver has ONE superstar and the Lakers have TWO superstars but here these Lebron cheerleaders are simping for their Leboyfriend at all costs. 😂😂😂
Ticket said DLo wouldn't have bad shooting nights because Jordan would fight him? Jordan fans are the literal worst bro smdh. This is shameful and he's so serious too!
Jordan never lost to any team 23 straight times while playing with another top 75 player or playing with another all star while his team was a championship contender. The Bulls were contending for nothing in 86 or 87.
I hate when ppl bring up these hall of famer argument .. at the time they are playing they are not hall of famers .. they are earning their achievements to get into the hall… If Jordan played better and knew how to facilitate better .. other players might have had more opportunities to be great players but he shot the ball line 25+ times a game
As a Michael Jordan fan, I admit Larry Bird’s Celtics dominated MJ’s Bulls. But that was simply because they had a better team. At the end of the day basketball is a team sport. However, if you look at the individual stats, MJ dominated everyone on the court, including Larry Bird. It was doing those losing years that Bird said MJ was a god in gym shorts, because of how dominant he was even in a losing effort. That’s when he hung 63 in the playoffs on the Celtics. Now LeBron fans will used the he didn’t have enough help excuse for their guy, but they won’t apply that to MJ.
This dude said MJ at 39 was less skilled than Bron at 39 🤦🏾♂️Skill and Injuries are two different things it was MJ’s skill that kept him playing I mean we talking about a guy that sipped alcohol and smoked cigars everyday and still was great but some people shouldn’t talk Basketball skill and injuries are different 😂😂
Ticket need to stfu cause when bron ain’t have nobody in his early years he’d say “if he’s supposed to be the goat why couldn’t he get it done in his early years” goal post mover 😂
@@dparks2856 What in the HELL does that have to do with the 2011 Finals? If Dirk choked a series away in the first round, then surely Lebum with a superteam could beat him right? 🤔🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@ 0:22 .......... i notice people always give Micheal Jordan injury excuses for when he failed, claiming - "he was hurt" ............. but when LeBron wasn't at 100% because of injuries for some of his fails, those same people say - "no excuses, because injuries are part of the game"
So what if he did? What's the point? He didn't run when the going was tough and that guy, Larry Bird knew by calling him "God disguised as Michael Jordan " that it was just a matter of time. Isaiah and the Pistons went through the same right of passage. Nobody except the Lakers could handle that Boston crew.
Ticket if AD doesn't join LeBron he's not going to the Hall of Fame. AD isn't winning a ring without LeBron. AD barley played in the playoffs before he teamed up with LeBron.
The bald manace is such a hilarious nickname for Michael Jordan 😂
Lebron pipe riders act like LeBald has hair like Roman Reigns. 😂😂😂
I'm weak @@psychedelicvault6951
@@psychedelicvault6951all 3 overrated AF and were handout kweens favored by higher ups. CMM
@@psychedelicvault6951😂😂
@@psychedelicvault6951why does it matter? He will have a baldy after he retires wtf are you a barber?
Ticket is a Hall of Fame goalpost mover
He got that badge on HOF 😂
If you a Lebron glazer you have ZERO room to talk. 😂😂😂 LAKERS IN 6! 🤡😎💪😂🤣
@@psychedelicvault6951Jordan lost 13 in a row something Kobe and LeBron never did
Nah..he's rite
Yes he is
First it was “Jordan would never lose that many straight games, his competitive nature wouldn’t allow it” then we find out he loss 13 straight and then it switched to “he was outmatched”. I don’t blame Jordan for losing but it’s funny how people move the goalpost for players they like more lol. Let’s just say 1 player isn’t solely responsible for wins and loses.
When you go by their logic they move the goal post like ticket does 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
Jordan alone makes playoffs durning those times by being 1 man team and pushes the team of 5 hall of famers and an alltime great player into the overtime, drops 63 points on Larry... so much so that Larry said "i played against a god desguised as Michael Jordan".
Lebron James gets destroyed 11x in a row by having more star power then Jokic.... Alone MJ pushes 5 hall of famers into overtime drops 63... Lebron with AD gets beat 11x by 1 star player
@@RealisticAndTrue this has nothing to do with that or who’s greater, ticket said something that wasn’t true and then moved the goal post, that’s all there is to it lol.
@@wilvictor they didn’t, he made a claim and was wrong first lol and then changed the argument
@@tydavis101 Ticket told you what i wrote you... Rookie MJ alone vs one of the best teams in history of NBA takes them to overtime, Lebron with another superstar gets demolished by 1 superstar... that is what ticket told you. Even at 40 years old you add a AD caliber player to MJ he aint losing 11x in a row to anyone... MJ at 40 had 97 points in 2 games back to back on 1 leg, had medical staff come that last season to the locker room before the game to drain fluid from his knee so he can go out and play. He dropped 43 at the age of 40 on a N.J. Nets who went to the final that year....
Tickets comeback is that's not true even though they're looking at the facts😂😂
Dude's embarrassing AF. His Gianni's vs 🃏 logic was hilarious too. Never mentioned GA leastern conf
He was adding context you incel. Something that is the enemy of everything LeBron does, is context. The fact is NBA fans don't like LeBron because he's mediocrity that walks like a man.
I got MJ as the GOAt but Kobe and MJ superfans ..they will call out Lebron and slander him for it..somebody would give them facts and get exposed and will immediately move the goal post and bring up Mamba mentality or Killer Instinct 😂😂😂
The way you’re talking sounds like you don’t have MJ as your GOAT but okay. Kobe only lost to the Spurs 5 straight games and he wasn’t even playing in 2-3 of those games.
@@vishtakesevery mj fans gotta admire mj like a god like you and ticket?
@@vishtakes you are one of the super fans he’s referring to here. I mean, just look at your profile picture
@@StandardsFC Kobe got me into the game of basketball when I was 5 and MJ was one of the most inspirational players in NBA history. What do you want me to have as a profile picture a letter R or a letter U? It’s my account I can do whatever I want 😂
@vishtakes MJ is my GOAT yall problem is whenever somebody give Lebron a compliment or not slandering him that must mean we think the greatest or something its insane thinking lol
How does Ticket breathe when Jordan is so far down his throat
Gots to be hard
The same way you do with lebron down your throat
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This is the reason why Swifer and Marz is necessary on this show especially when Ticket is on the show dude can never admit when he is wrong.
Ticket loves bringing up irrelevant points
Istg Jordan fans act like Jordan never had no faults and Marz read them off not only the losses but the inefficiency he shot during those games and they still try to move the goalpost like dawg it’s okay everyone including Jordan had a bad game
Yawn trolll
@@NoNameWillBeGiven778pinging out facts is trolling? Lol
@@victorampo1137 you have no facts lol trolll
You got no facts tho...soon LeBron has a bad game you Leroids go look up a Jordan bad game as if Jordan bad game whipes leroid clean @@victorampo1137
Ticket said on his channel Jordan could take 4 players from his chat and they not gone lose 13 straight 😂😂 and his people was buying into that blasphemy
Lmao 🤣😂 but they like to call lebron fans bronsexuals and all those derogatory names, these dudes are the perfect example of sexuals and romanticizers of a player that not even playing.
Lmao 🤣😂 but they like to call lebron fans bronsexuals and all those derogatory names, these dudes are the perfect example of fanboys gone wild. 💀😆🤣
Bingo he keep on the moving the goal post
ticket is hilarious man 😭😭
kinda like bron stans saying he can play AND defend all 5 positions lmao
Mars knew what time it was 0:26 😂😂he was like let him walk right into this ditch😂
Doesnt matter if mike didnt have a top player i thought his drive ane competive personality wouldn't allow that
Thank You
@boonebeasley9622 Stop being stupid . Everybody needs help . MJ lost when he had no help Lebron has lost a lot when he had a lot of help so which is worse?
@@christiansoldier77Jordan lost with a lot of help too
@@christiansoldier77 What happened to Jordan drive and will is the point sir nobody says u don't need help it's u Jordan fans that say he would never then when it gets exposed then comes the excuses
Drive & competitive nature are just narratives bro , if he didn’t have the roster to win he wouldn’t have , especially 39 year old Jordan ..
Ticket always move the goal post for Kobe and Jordan clearly biased
Facts mj fanboys said that he was the most unstoppable superstar ever, they say he don't need all that help like lebron, yet he faced Larry bird 13 straight times for a period of time and he couldn't even get a game...smh they're straight 🤡's. 🤣🤣
That's what they fans do they try to argue facts of what happened they can't handle it when you bring them facts they fight against it I'm never gonna argue against something that's a fact that actually happened it's in the NBA books 🤦🏽🤨
@@Ghost-rb6cwfrfr 🤦🏽
@@Ghost-rb6cw Really? When did Jordan and Bird play each other one on one 13 straight times?
Kobe ain’t got shit to do with this vid
Why is this controversial lmao it's true. Dude kept getting his ass kicked by Bird
I mean to be fair, the bulls were ass juice compared to Boston 😂😂. That’s like when people shit on bron for losing to the spurs in 07.
@@TheIcemanthomasexactly that’s the point, bron haters will hate on bron for losing in ‘07, ‘17 and ‘18 but will make excuses for mj
@@TheIcemanthomasno that’s not similar at all lebron production and numbers are why he gets sh8t on in 07 if he was productive and efficient it wouldn’t be a question.
@@TheIcemanthomas I agree, but we're not fair to Bron, so I can't be fair to Jordan lol
@@Getdown8319 I'm still waiting for y'all to tell me why Jordan got swepted in 1986 but not Hakeem?
Ticket tv elite goal post mover
But when Bron was in 2018 Finals with George Hill and JR against nevermind....
So just imagine Jordan in the 80s against the Celtics brudda
Lebron wasnt in his 2nd and 3rd yr and thats the finals, not the first round smooth brain
@@NoNameWillBeGiven778that was LeBrons 15th year. MJ only played 15 years. Funny you mention that being early in MJs career when he was 24 but don’t mention that LeBron is 14 years older than MJ was when the losing streak started against Denver.
@@St23Vincent im speaking against Bron
@@St23Vincentget off Jordan nuts sounds like excuses
People played a clip showing Lebron said "its just basketball" vs Kobe saying "he still think his team can win" down 0-3 to make Lebron look weak ...but ignore the game right after Lebron dropped 30..14 in the 4th qtr ..and the team won ..Kobe was 32 or 33 droped 17pts on 18 shots and team got blew out by 36..but "Mamba Mentality" so it didnt matter..this not me slandering Kobe just showing the bias ...Kobe fans have to team up and attach themselves with MJ fans to feel better about Kobe spot in nba history ..they are all great players but KEEP THE SAMW ENERGY for all 3 of them
I gotta see this one😭😭😭
Facts you a ball knower
Bunch of people in the comments moving the goalposts😂 "his team wasnt good" "he didnt have help"
Who was on his team at that time.. anybody good?? please give avg of he players be had on team please
@@trevorrobinson8652why does that matter YALL said Mikes drive wouldn’t allow nobody to beat him 13 in a row and y’all found out y’all lied
This is like knocking wemby for getting whooped by the nuggets in the playoffs next season. Its actually worse than that cause the celtics had a 5 all star lineup
@@trevorrobinson8652 lol now all of a sudden y'all bawling that mj didn't had enough help? lmao 😂 🤣 the irony....aren't y'all the ones that said mj can do more with less and he don't need that much help like lebron???
@@DiorInEveryStore all stars is not the only thing that makes a team great, it's which team is more complete team, you guys don't even know how to talk basketball but just spread goofy narratives. 👉🤡
So now ticket can acknowledge a guy being the only player on his team who can create offense. But when it’s LeBron, it doesn’t matter?
Even a die hard Jordan fan can’t say bird didn’t own him. It’s nasty work and has zero context whatsoever but 🤷🏾♂️😂
Bird didn't own Jordan...the Celtics owned the Bulls
@@darnellroberts8363 100% but yu know exactly how most sport fans are. Hence why I said it’s nasty work and have zero context
@@DerQuanDoucett The majority of the time fans are more concerned with talking points that's easy to identify...what's not easy for the fan is to recognize how the game was actually played. Jordan was playing against a well oiled machine with rusty tools with one new hammer in the tool box with the number 23 engraved on it.
@@darnellroberts8363 I’m agreeing with yu, I’m just saying that’s how ppl view it 🤷🏾♂️
@@DerQuanDoucett I'm with you fam 💯
when we talk about MJ career the early days we dont count them because he had no one (but we count the individual stats)
when we talk about his last years in washington we dont count them because he passed his prime
But with LBJ we count everything since day one till this days (good teammates or not, prime or not)
i dont like those what if (things are what they are 11-0 its 11-0, 13-0 its 13-0)
I, personally, have NEVER counted anything before the Heat move against Lebron. It's simply not fair.
damn, Ticket was in shambles during this segment
Once again there is a man comparing a 23 year old MJ to a 40 year old LeBron.....smh
The funniest part is Ticket TV literally starts off acknowledging Jordan's second year in the league when he got hurt and doubles down on Jordan never losing 6 times in a row to the same team. Then wants to back peddle when he hears it was 13 straight.
TicketTv got cooked again.
Yawn Bron stan
Again Ticket Proven Out To Be Stupid....... Again 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Boy said rookie bron vs kd warriors wouldn’t be fair. Shi ian call it fair when he was in Cleveland in 2017 😂
22:28 39 year old MJ is not fuc*ing beating NBA defenders off the dribble come on. Revisionist history
What's funny is when we talk about MJ going 6-0 in the Finals, they say it's a team game. But when MJ was going up
against the Boston Celtics, they say Bird beat MJ. They personalize it.
Right!
That’s hypocritical and contradictory oldheads for ya
MJ gets all the credit for going 6-0.
@@joshuasutton983 No he doesn't. Scottie Pippen is the most hyped up Robin in NBA history. Ever heard the phrases: "MJ couldn't win without Scottie" or "MJ is 1-9 in the playoffs without Scottie"? Funny how no one ever says Steph couldn't win without Klay. Even though the talent gap between Steph and Klay is much smaller than the talent gap between Jordan and Pippen.
@@cyber6sapien No excuses, Bron gets penalized for not winning with Zydrunas, Tristian Thompson (?), Kevin Love, and a past his prime, Wade as his second best player during several finals (07, 15, 17, 18)
Ppl still listening to Ticket is crazy lmao
Ticket wearing them sunglasses to hide his tears
Stat Muse
Larry Bird was 17-11 versus Michael Jordan in his career.
The Boston Celtics from the year of 85 - 88 season was 99 - 4 at home was there Win- Lose record !! Think about that!! Y’all not saying nothing - 😮Larry Bird in His prime won 3 MVPs in a row !! He was Jovic before we knew who Jovic was !! Larry had better teams, coaching and was also a great player !!
Ticket such a mj glazer
A humongous one
Yall are some lebron groupies😂half of yall ain't never even played basketball🏀but stay tryna talk basketball🏀and don't know nothing bout it lollll😂
@@momo4044 yawn 🥱 actually I did play basketball ticket and I guarantee I know more about hoop than you and your bf ticket 🤣
@@momo4044you a 40 year old man angry because you mj groupies getting called out. Go raise your multiple children with them 5 diff baby mommas 😂
This is the hardest basketball channel to watch.
39 year old MJ missed the playoffs with a back to back all-star teammate lol
Facts, in the weak east, that's what they say lol. 😂
He didnt have a back to back all star teammate. Nice try trolll
@@Ghost-rb6cwno facts found trolll
Stackhouse was a year removed from making back to back all-star teams. He averaged 30 the second one and was an MVP candidate both years before coming to the Wizards. You tried though🤣
@@LeftoverTake Stackhouse the inefficent scorer? Nice try trolll
Why didn't dude understand that Jordan lost to bird 13 times straight 😂😂😂 everyone knew that he's just a damn casual
Ticket getting upset bc he was getting interrupted is crazy
MJ had many hall of famers on his team …delusional MJ fans. Celtics were getting old af and the hall of famers weren’t even in their primes.
1. You’re blatantly lying. The Celtics hall of famers were a Prime Larry bird, prime Dennis Johnson, Prime Robert Parish, & Bill Walton..not a single player on that team was over 33 and Walton was the only one who was 33 at the time. 2. MJ had literally not a single hall of famers on his team until Scottie Pippen and even he didn’t become a hall of fame caliber player until 91. 3. Mike won 3 chips with Scottie as his only HoF teammate. 4. In 91 Mike & Scottie beat a Lakers team with 3 HOF and Magic was 2nd in MvP voting that year.
Jordan lost 3-0 to the Celtics in 1987. Yes, his team was out matched. However, a few things to note:
When you, MJ, take 34 more shots than the next guy on both teams (Oakley took 50), is it really the rest of the team’s fault?
When you, MJ, shoot 9-30 in the close out game is it the rest of the team’s fault?
Is Charles Oakley averaging 20 & 15 not enough? Is that not comparable to AD putting up 28 & 15 versus Denver? (98 ppg vs. 106 ppg). AD provided minimal more help?
Wasn’t MJ 24 and LBJ was 39?
Did you ever even watch those games??? His teammates ain't do nothing but throw up briccs and Charles wasn't giving nobody 20 and 15 oakley was more defensive and a rebounder😂
@@momo4044 nah it was just Woolridge who was chucking up bricks. 62 attempts on 33% shooting but even his true shooting % was 46%, not good but a little better
Jordan 51%, TS 58%
Corzine 58%, TS 59%
Oakley 52%, TS 56%
Paxson 47%, TS 60%
Banks 56%, TS 56%
So no they weren’t throwing up bricks. As my op said they were barely chucking up anything by at all. What they were throwing up was pretty efficient. Mike threw up the most bricks with 47.
@@typg9397… glad someone did their research!
@@iaintthereyet914 yeah I confused oakleys stats with a different series, but truth is MJ made it about himself. Can’t have the ball in your hands 60-70% of the time and blame your teammates for losing.
@typg9397 you sound delusional. No one could create for themselves besides Jordan. No one on the Bulls would be a starter on the Celtics besides Jordan.
This conversation is a prime example of why we need to stop having this silly debate. There’s not ONE great in any sport whose legacy you can’t poke a hole in. Just appreciate greatness while you watching it
Wayne Gretzky for hockey will never be touched.. but I agree with your point..🙏🏼
Saying “MJ lost” 13 straight times is extremely ingenuine. Bird team was insanely stacked vs a rookie. These kids are dumb. No he did not get cooked.
Moving the goalposts, these excuses arent used for brons finals record when hes facing the avengers with sub par teams. Mj lost 13 in a row, no excuses.
So the nuggets aren't way more stacked then the Lakers? The nuggets 5th best player better than the Lakers third best
ticket slow 39 year old lebron is way better than jordan at 39
Mark is the stat guy. If not sorry. Bird still owned MJ in the 92 or 93 regular season.MJ in with Scotty his prime. The Celtics and Bird all broken up. The Celtics I think they lost to the Pistons. Then the Pistons beat MJ. Ny years can be off. Great debate
He will do anything to defend MJ
The exposure of Ticket MJ glazeure is so EPIC 😂😂😂😂
The fact he chose to bring Lebrons name up but was WRONG is sad. Acknowledge the original statement (that was factual) and move the fuck on.
@@08debates Lebron's name is mentioned because if Kobe, Jordan, Jokic/Luka its a Lebron fan.
Bird won against MJ when he Bird had a better team. But Jordan's record against Bird favors him as of 1988-1992 (when Pippen arrived.) And Birds' team regularly lost by 30 points.
@@08debates Same with Curry fans. If someone slanders Kobe they instantly know its Klutch Sports/Lebron fans
Ticket is a Troll. WTF does Lebron got to do with this. He's a Liar too.
Bird owns Jordan case closed.
Jordan better individual stats plus Bird had 4 to 5 hall of fame players
@@ocityentertainmentlive5185 Bruh listen to the numbers on the part where Jordan shot garbage from the field against the celtics. He didn't go down swinging at all. More like Jacked up shot after shot. Same problem against the Pistons MJ should of passed.
@@lex6794 he shot 45% to 48% and still average 29pts 7reb and 6ast 2st and 1blk. Can you name another player before Pippen got off in bench in 89. That you would have had confidence passing it too? Name two 15pt scorers Jordan played with ;Before 88 when they got Orlando Woolridge and that's the best name I got for you. And you probably don't know who he was!
@@ocityentertainmentlive5185Jordan in a few of those games shot: 5 of 15,
7 of 16, 9 of 30, 9 of 23, 13 of 34, 13 of 31. So that's garbage definitely not Goat stats. Where you got 45-48 % don't know.
Not to bring Lebron into this but, on Cleveland the 1st go around 7 years 2nd best player was Booby Gibson, and MJ fans say All the time that Lebron should of won Rings with that roster, and should not of left Cleveland even though they never got him anybody better in 7 years. So MJ has to be held to the same standards he dosen't get a pass if Lebron dosen't. Typical Jordan Fans moving the Goal post. MJ came Into the nba 83-84 and through out the 80s, Bird was not only considered the Best all around player in basketball, he was the best player in the NBA until the back problems. Similar to Jordan losing to the Pistons 3 times, and MJ never even won a playoff series without Pippen.
@@lex6794 Since you bring up Bron. He didn't even make the playoffs in his first two years in Cleveland. So both with bad teammates at least Jordan made the playoffs. That's a difference if I'm correct. If they both had horrible teammates around them well Jordan lead his teams to the playoffs. No goal post moved. Bron missed the playoffs when he returned to Cleveland again then he has missed the playoffs twice in LA. Once without AD and once with AD as a teammate. No goal post moved. Once Pippen became a starter in 89 before the allstar break. Then finally becoming an allstar in 90. Jordan has never had a full season with one allstar and not at least made it to the Eastern Conference Finals. And never lost in the Finals to a lesser team. Bron has twice with adequate help in Miami and Cleveland.
Bird’s team spanked MJ when MJ didn’t have any help. No Allstar caliber teammate at all! This isn’t comparable to Lebron losing 11 straight games playing with AD and the talent he was playing with to a team with 1 Allstar!
but y are we holding this 40 year old man to goat standards this is crazy 😂
Hakeem had no help in the 1986 finals and he didn't get swepted like Jordan lol, all you guys have is a bunch of excuses lol. 😂
LeBron at 40 compares to prime Mike that's tells u everything you need to know
@@majihnnnyawn Bron stan
@@Ghost-rb6cwRalph Sampson. Trolll
Is anyone tired of Chilltown yelling repeatedly and then Ron laughing while everyone cuts each other off instead of controlling the show?
You guys is moving to go post like crazy because of ticket regardless of what he said he said it Michael Jordan lost 14 game to Larry Bird . Point blank simple as that.
MJ didn't lose to bird.. He lost to McHale, Bird, and Parrish.
@@markforrest9607you sound dumb
For the first 2:45 of this show they was setting ticket up😂😂😂😂 EVERYONE KNEW BUT TIX THIS IS HILARIOUS. Chill ain’t ish he knew to he was throwing tix Oop’s on purpose knowing he was gonna miss😂😂😂
Bird didnt beat Jordan . The Celtics beat the Bulls
Agreed but they are just giving him the same energy because he say Lebron lost to the Nuggets 11 straight times so they gave it back to him
@@robmoore6817 Yeah because Lebron has AD
@@christiansoldier77 Lebron is 39, what was Jordan doing at age 39? Missing the playoffs lmao. Jordan was near the prime age for basketball being around 23-24 and was getting swept so it’s just as bad. Bron around that age never got swept or loss to a team that many times in a row.
@@yrnquin1560LeBron is on peds so he isn't a normal 39 year old so he is still close to his prime with a good team around him so he should be dominant but he gets dominated. Jordan was a young guy barely two years in the league on a bad team vs the greatest team of All time with 5 hofers . It's not even close to the same thing . If Jordan had a team Iike LeBron has now even at 40 he wouldnt lose like LeBron loses
@@christiansoldier77Jordan at 39 isn’t doing anything with this lakers team like LeBron is at 39. I doubt they even make the playoffs with Jordan. There has yet to be any proof that he’s on PEDs
just like lebron when he went up against the spurs in the FINALS. was the only person on his team. look at the double standards here. smh
MJ no matter the age if he has the same as Lebron, he would always be more skilled than Lebron… What a delusional fanboy
Ticket gets cooked every show
In the 90’s, the Celtics didn’t get there to play the Bulls. Who cares if the Celtics beat the Bulls in the 80’s. Everyone who KNOWS NBA history knows his team was trash and comes up. Stop.
Excuses
Unlike Jordan lebron has actually beat jokic for a championship
Unlike LeBron MJ didn't need a playin to get in the playoffs
@KobetheGOAT-le8im bro wtf are u talking about what does that have to do with the subject at hand 😂 the play in is only a few years old calm.down
Baby jokic
@@lbp6233and jokic beat old man lebron, so whats your point
@@lbp6233 y’all say baby jokic but forget he won mvp in 2021. 2020 nugget was already a team that can compete for a championship.
So the “Final boss “ and his minions claim that he’s a basketball historian and says the chat don’t know basketball correct ? Same dude who didn’t know
-KG didn’t win dpoy in minny
-KD going to gsw was not a trade
- Saying mario Ellie was an important piece in the finals run but he played less than 15 mins in the first final
-MJ losing 13 straight to the Celtics
Players dont have losing streaks goofy
@@NoNameWillBeGiven778so Lebron doesn’t have a losing streak either. Either way ticket was wrong
@@5stariley dont care goofy
let hear the goalposts move 😂😂😂😂😂
It’s team Sport. Celtics beat the Bulls. Nuggets beat the Lakers. Stop doing this player for player nonsense in a team sport. Celtics at that time were better than Bulls. Nuggets are better than the Lakers now.
In the 86 playoffs Orlando woolridge averaged 21 pts a gzme
Charles Oakley 10 rebounds 2 steals
Its comical to act like he never had help
Yup 😂😂😂
LeBron never had a 20+ scorer from 03-10 in his Cleveland days.
Matter of fact, Woolridge was doing that for 4 yrs straight if I’m not mistaken… and he had Dantley who gave him like 16 as the 3rd guy…
This like knocking wemby for getting whooped by the Nuggets in the playoffs next season
If bird owned Jordan, explain his playoff averages.
Jordan didn't lose 1v1 to Bird, 5 HOF beat 1 HOF, Oakley, 10 PPG Gene Banks lol. Jokic isn't even on Bird's level, but lead his no All-Star cast to 9-5 vs Lakers in playoffs and 12-1 in last 13 overall.
You know Lebum glazers love creating fake narratives, they need to focus on Lebum passing Kobe in missed shots and STILL not having 5 championships. 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆👀🤔🤣🤣🤣
LeBron was 38-39 don't leave that out
Nobody's ever lost 1v1 because it's a TEAM SPORT!!!!
Y’all acting like this is prime bron tho😂😂😂😂why when it’s mj context always needs to be added but for lebron he’s just ass and a fraud
But yall don’t use that same excuse for Lebron in 2015 , 2017 or 2018 🤔
I HAD ENOUGH ALREADY 🤧🤧🤧🤣🤣🤣🤧🤣. Yo this is pure comedy
W RANT BY OX @ 7:00 !!!
During that losing streak who did bird say Jordan was disguised as ?
Who gives af 😂😂 what's it have to do with anything. Here we go moving the goal post again
Nah God would’ve won a game🤣 God won’t get swept like that
Doesn’t matter he lost lol during Bron losing to Denver Murray called him his idol wtf that mean lol
Still got beat down 🤷🏽♂️
damn so God a loser now?
I love watching Ticket get smoked😂
That Celtics had 5 hall of famers including iconic Larry Bird that's 6 lol
Who are other 5?
@@mannymatencio1279 Google it and stop trolling boy
But when lebron loose to the warriors with kd that won 73-9 before he got there in 2018 y’all say he choke that another loss on his record I just want to know do you count that I am not even a bron fan the same in 2008 and 2010 when he lost to 4 hall of fame in the truth kg ray allen kg and Rondo with perkin and toney and more that had got to great defender on there roster one through 10 with a defensive specialist coach in Tom thidoue do you count that I am making sure that y’all stay consistent
@thialhoinj1971they only speak on LBJs losses, not his teammates vs the opposition. With other guys, they'll try to give context
@thialhoinj1971In 2014 Spurs had 6 HOFers.
Orlando Woolridge was his second best player avg 20ppg and 8 in the playoffs
Ticket is hilarious lol its okay for Jordan to lose 13 in a row because he didnt have nobody lol
Lebron lost to Denver with Anthony Davis who ranks 5th all time in player efficiency rating and averages 25 points and 12 rebounds every year with ease as you saw in this year's playoffs. Allan R and all the LeBron pipe smoking fan boys can't tell me one player on Jordan's team that warranted a double team on offense, but Bird had McHale and Robert Parrish with former all stars as role players (like Dennis Johnson and Bill Walton). Denver has ONE superstar and the Lakers have TWO superstars but here these Lebron cheerleaders are simping for their Leboyfriend at all costs. 😂😂😂
@@psychedelicvault6951 so it's okay for Jordan to lose 16 times in a row?
Ticket said DLo wouldn't have bad shooting nights because Jordan would fight him? Jordan fans are the literal worst bro smdh. This is shameful and he's so serious too!
Damn he cooked Ticket!!!
Preaaaaaaaccch. Been saying this for years
No you haven't
Ticket stub caught frauding again! 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Mj is 27-58 against the big 3 of the 80’s (Magic, Bird, Isaiah). He’s lucky he didn’t see them in the finals. He wouldn’t be 6-0
This is why some of us hate MJ and LBJ. They're the same coin of excuses and privilege
Jordan never lost to any team 23 straight times while playing with another top 75 player or playing with another all star while his team was a championship contender. The Bulls were contending for nothing in 86 or 87.
Man y'all be riding MJ nuts too much he lost in a row
You just saying a bunch of nothing that wasn’t even said in this video 🤡🤡🤡
I hate when ppl bring up these hall of famer argument .. at the time they are playing they are not hall of famers .. they are earning their achievements to get into the hall…
If Jordan played better and knew how to facilitate better .. other players might have had more opportunities to be great players but he shot the ball line 25+ times a game
As a Michael Jordan fan, I admit Larry Bird’s Celtics dominated MJ’s Bulls. But that was simply because they had a better team. At the end of the day basketball is a team sport.
However, if you look at the individual stats, MJ dominated everyone on the court, including Larry Bird. It was doing those losing years that Bird said MJ was a god in gym shorts, because of how dominant he was even in a losing effort. That’s when he hung 63 in the playoffs on the Celtics.
Now LeBron fans will used the he didn’t have enough help excuse for their guy, but they won’t apply that to MJ.
This dude said MJ at 39 was less skilled than Bron at 39 🤦🏾♂️Skill and Injuries are two different things it was MJ’s skill that kept him playing I mean we talking about a guy that sipped alcohol and smoked cigars everyday and still was great but some people shouldn’t talk Basketball skill and injuries are different 😂😂
Well where’s you podcast or appearances on PC since you know so much?
Facts😂jordan was playing on 1 leg fareal after that meniscus tear✔️
@@momo4044 before or after he was not better than lebron at 39. Not even a conversation.
39 year old LeBron was more skilled. Unless skill is just exclusively difficult shot making.
@@yrnxkj7607 huh I mean Skill is what Larry killed with Bron has some skill but also he is athletic and people sometimes associates that with skill.
Ticket need to stfu cause when bron ain’t have nobody in his early years he’d say “if he’s supposed to be the goat why couldn’t he get it done in his early years” goal post mover 😂
Jordan lost to the Celtics dropped 63 and Larry bird call him Jesus in shorts…debate over
That wasn’t the argument dummy 😂😂😂
Jordan & Bulls hasn't won a playoff game vs Larry Bird & The Celtics
Duncan is Lebum's father. Dirk adopted Lebum and his superteam not too long after. 👺🤣🤣🤣
No dummy
Dirk lost as the 1 seed to the 8th seed
@@dparks2856 What in the HELL does that have to do with the 2011 Finals? If Dirk choked a series away in the first round, then surely Lebum with a superteam could beat him right? 🤔🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Why only name LeBron. Wade lost to as well Duncan is wade father aswell
@@boonebeasley9622 I clearly said Dirk adopted Lebum AND his superteam. 🤷😂🤣
Every time I see you, you getting packed up rant was diabolical😭😭💀
It was 11 times and not 11 straight
Yea it was
It was 13 straight times bro, every year he was losing.
13 straight times bro, what don’t u get 😂it it was 1 season leading into another regular season and playoffs
@ 0:22 .......... i notice people always give Micheal Jordan injury excuses for when he failed, claiming - "he was hurt" ............. but when LeBron wasn't at 100% because of injuries for some of his fails, those same people say - "no excuses, because injuries are part of the game"
Why he said lebron never beat jokic when the lakers beat the nuggets to advance to the finals in the bubble
It's crazy how wrong they are lol Bron won In 2022 twice against the nugs please kids get your facts correct
Jordan had Orlando Woolridge in 86 who was a 20 pt scorer and a highflyer
Ticket think the loudest person is right lol. His stats be off and he is extremely biased. Thank God for Chill and Marz, they know their stuff
What was the overarching point??? These guys need a moderator, who can at least provide proper context to these discussions.
So what if he did? What's the point? He didn't run when the going was tough and that guy, Larry Bird knew by calling him "God disguised as Michael Jordan " that it was just a matter of time. Isaiah and the Pistons went through the same right of passage. Nobody except the Lakers could handle that Boston crew.
Bro said we doing heart im dying😭😭😭😭😭😭
Ticket & chill is necessary bruh 🔥 classic Shannon & Stephen a vibes 💯
How do you play sixteen games and still will your team to the playoffs?
Swipa is killing me😭😭😭
Ticket if AD doesn't join LeBron he's not going to the Hall of Fame. AD isn't winning a ring without LeBron. AD barley played in the playoffs before he teamed up with LeBron.
MJ wasn't a threat in the 80s. Period.