equating mvps to being dominant is so nasty because we all know players like shaq and wilt people say were dominant due to their size but if i or anyone else said “shaq can’t be that dominant he only has 1 mvp while jokic has 3 so he’s more dominant than shaq” we’d look at them like their crazy
@@xavierb9061 i have a love hate relationship with jokic due to me being a laker fan but if you said jokic is more dominant than shaq i can respect it i think it’s shaq due to his size and how teams how to play him but the same thing can be said with jokic as well. what about kobe and murray?
@@vibez5894 jokic dominant no strategy stop him. Shaq had strategy stop him fts etc. Shaq had kobe or he might be like wilt chamberlain points less rings
@@xavierb9061Almost but not quite. The league changed the rules to stop Shaq. The FTs didn't stop him. zone defense is amateur basketball. Thank Shaq for that. Jokic is good. He also plays in the softest most offensively easy era ever. Due to the rules. Not any fault of his own. He plays in the worst era for centers too. Shaq played in arguably the greatest era for centers. They're really not comparable.
@@MauMauBinghiI was agreeing with you until you said today defenses soft no it more complex like have you not seen the physical defense that Jaylen brown was playing on luka full court in the final you just be taking like bro did you not see the Celtics defense on the nets they played a physical zone or on Gianni’s heat on the Celtics in the playoffs today defenses is great the offense just got so advanced it hard for defenses that’s why they switched and pre switched and zone they did concept that 1990 era and below wasn’t aware of
nobody's arguing that. doesn't mean he was dominant. shaq lebron mike were dominant. they had a stranglehold on either the league or their conference. steph, in those 2 mvp seasons was dominant. wade nor kawhi ever had a stranglehold like that on the league, doesn't mean they're not great or they're not walking buckets.
@papiisgoldtv3933 nobody is saying he isn't great. Dominant is something deeper. As the category falls, more people get added. So dominant is the fewest, great you can have your top tens or top 5s and then all stars/superstars more players get added. Wade you could say was dominant in that championship play off run. But overall, to me he wasn't. What lebron did in the east making the finals, that's dominance. What Mike did in the league, preventing people from winning, that's dominance. Shaq that's dominance. Wade was great, tbh I don't think Wade even had a season like harden did that one year. And I don't call harden dominant
Did this dude honestly say he had an argument for Allen Iverson being better than Dwayne Wade? LOL you can't be serious. This is why people say Iverson is overrated.
How is a player dominant and never finished top 2 in a mvp voting .. EVER??? How is a player dominant and never been a top 3 player in thr nba and arguably top 5
@drenchmansports @drenchmansports brotha it sounds like you haven't watched or wasn't around dwades career. That is terrible argument. I beg you for the sake of your own channel to do your homework on an all time greats career.
Let's be honest. Wade could have easily won MVP 2009 but it is what it is. As great as Kawhi was. Dwade was insane he's 3rd best SG ever for a reason!!
Wade was not healthy from '05 '11... Dwade '07 '08 season was literally cut short due to him tearing his shoulder against the rockets.... Wade wasn't even healthy during the playoffs against the pistons...so don't lie
Speaking of shaq, Kawhi is the first player since shaq in 2000 to avg 30+ on 60% in a series. But somehow Kawhi isn’t a dominant player. Kawhi literally is one of the most productive and consistent players in history. And he’s doing this while tearing ligaments every other year.
So you want to call someone dominant because of a series??? He's great but not dominant. Dominant players do it most of the time not pick out certain times when they played great
Like kawahi never dominated the league, he's had dominant series in the post season but when I am talking about complete dominance I talking about fighting for mvp every season and taking your team to 10 straight finals like lebron. Or playing taking your team to the best record ever while winning mvp and the the next season winning uniamous mvp on historic stats. These guys were feared from game 1 to game 82 the conference was in a hold, they had to overcome 1 guy before they even thought about the finals😂. Imo opinion that is dominace, there only a few DOMAINANT guys at those are in the top 15 at most
dominance is dominance. lebron, dominant, shaq dominant, mike dominant....Kawhi's great, but he never had a stranglehold on the league or on his conference. the word just means what it means. Doesn't mean he's not great, doesn't mean he can't get buckets, doesn't mean he's not a threat on both ends of the floor. but he never dominated the league. i'd say steph was more dominant than Kawhi especially in those mvp years
@SSJRome what? I ain't calling anyone dominat if they are getting put into a chokehold by other guys. If you weren't atleast seriously feared by your conference you can't even be considered dominat.
@SSJRome you just said having domaince isn't specific to over league or a conference. I've just said the guys I call dominant is dominant so much they are feared by teams on the OTHER conference because they know they gonna have to meet him in the finals
Saying allen Iverson was dominant because he won an MVP but dwayne wade and kawhi who have finals mvps and led teams to championships are not dominant makes no sense to me.
68 games being the most games you played over 5 years doesnt bode well especially missing an entire season. missed a lot of basketball no fucking doubt
@@Purlypurlington okay so they have kawhi in the bottom half of the top 10 sf idk you agree where they have him at or not? if not then why if you don’t care about his load management yes it means he’s not playing a lot of games but it’s due to his knees
Prime Kawhi is the 2nd best player the league has ever seen after Jordan. It just was shortlived and plagued by injuries. His career playoff percentages are ridiculous. 51% FG and 40% from 3. KD is the closest and he is at 47% field and 35% from the 3.
@@erikpuka2627 Kawhi is insanely efficient but you gotta chill. His volume was very low compared to KD because he’s always injured in the playoffs and started blooming as a scorer late. He played MUCH less playoff games and took MUCH less shots. If he took the amount of shots KD took and had the non shooters KD had in OKC ( Russ Andre Robertson etc. ) His numbers would drop. Non shooters around him would mean defences could sag off those players and load up on KD playing help all game. It’s how the warriors beat the OKC in 2016. Kawhi efficiency would still be great just like KDs but it would take a hit.
The thing about comparing eras is that players in this era have been playing WAY more basketball before they reach the NBA. Like its not even close either. The mileage on the average NBA rookie now is leaps and bounds higher than in the 90’s and earlier
@@livefromthemotherland AAU is a summer circuit of basketball that young basketball players go through and it varies in its competitiveness based on the team you play for/how good you’re team is. Back in the day Kids could literally play for their high school and that was the only way to gain notoriety to get invited to camps to play in front of college scouts. Nowadays AAU circuits have taken over college scouting and because of this these circuits in pursuit of more money have made more and more high level tournaments and games for these kids to play. Add to the fact that many players now play for “high school” teams that are usually prep schools that play upwards of 30 games in a high school season while traveling across the nation and sometimes the globe. You will see that the average mileage on the athletes body coming into college let alone the NBA is way higher than in the past
Wade did not dominate, he had 1 great finals and all other great seasons were next to a lebron James. Not one dominant year other wise. Due to injury is a good arguement for him but still he never dominated like Shaq, lebron, mj, Giannis
I agree with bro im ngl dominant is being thrown around too loosely .. DOMINANT means nobody can fwu in the league nobody dominant is 2and3 join together to beat 1 dominant is extra people on the roster just to use fouls .. dominant is every game every night every season im the best in the world DOMINANT ! 2017-2021 kawhi missed 2017 wcf missed 2018 missed 60 games in 19 choked in 20 and got hurt in 21 lmaooo THATS NOT DOMINANT
Thus guy is the worst. He doesn't know what he's talking about and than gets called out. And than instead of admitting he was wrong, he literally makes up whatever excuse off the top of his head as he goes.
@@JHPG5 🧢 stop with these ridiculous takes. There was no point of time Kawhi was considered the best player in the league. At most you’d hear best 2-way player in the league but never heard anyone say he was the best… until now 😂
@@JHPG5 😂😂😂 bro the delusion is real. Out of those 3yrs, he makes all NBA first team once, never finished top 3 in mvp voting and only made it past the 2nd round once during that time. Had one of the biggest meltdowns in history when they blew that 3-1 lead to Denver. Yea you might be onto something with that one 🤣🤣🤣
Lmao s/o j banks went to school with bro he hooped but i don’t remember my boy talking nba back then like the non hoopers use to. I always say hoopers don’t know the nba lol they was too busy in the gym they wasn’t watching like us bums 😂
We act like the dubs wasn’t injured when kawhi won…a healthy dubs was beating them 4-1 and we wouldn’t mention kawhi in this manner, he hasn’t won on La at all because he’s always hurt
Oh because Kawhi didn’t beat the greatest team of all time healthy (that team is beating every other previous champions in history) let’s ignore that playoff run. You lot be bringing up bullshit here lol
@@MJ-pz9rf I never said ignore the run lol. What im saying is we wouldn’t rate kawhi as high as we appear to do had he not won. He wouldn’t be considered a let down on the clippers, but because we expect him to win like he did in Toronto most do.
Playoff career percentages Kawhi 51% Field goal , 40% 3pt, 84% FT KD 47% FG, 35% FT, 86% FT Lebron 49% FG, 33% 3PT, 74% FT Kobe 45% FG, 33% 3PT, 81% FT Wade 47% FG, 33% 3PT, 78% FT Bird 47% FG, 32% 3pt, 89% FT Magic 50% FG, 24% 3Pt, 83% FT Kawhi was better than these dudes. On both sides. Injuries just plagued his career. 2nd best player to ever live after Jordan.
At first I had the same reaction as yall but the more i listened the more i realised, we kind of do use the word 'dominant' pretty loosely. To be dominate is multi-faceted and must stand the test of time. Dominance is also in part relative to the competition, so while dwade had an amazing year in 09, his teams record was pretty mediocre for an equally mediocre team in a mediocre east and he wasn't able to sustain that short burst of success for long. I fully believe that dominance is the blending of peak, longevity and accolades, something very few people in the 5k that ever played in the NBA have accomplished.
Shaq never played a full 82 game season and during his Laker run he never played more than 75 games other than his championship season. History is lost a lot of players only manage about 65-70 game in a season
we just gonna leave out that he joined a perennial playoff team as a rookie and had a extremely reduced role for the first couple seasons of his career
I think I agree with him . With the exception of 2006 finals , Wade was great for sure . But I wouldn’t say he was dominant . Kawhi I never saw as dominant lol just a great player and that’s not slander lol
That work attendance example is true and it's stupid. If you miss 20 days for the year but work 100, your there 80 days; that's 80%; that's a B. How in the hell is that poor attendance? It shouldn't be but it is at most of these ass backwards companies.
@@JHPG5 OK?!?!? You saying that like Mavs defense was special. Mavs defense was HORRIBLE that season. And if that’s the case D Wade dominated that Finals series in 2006. And that also means Donovan Mitchell has been dominant his whole playoff career INCLUDING when him and Leonard went head to head in 21 where Donovan Mitchell “DOMINATED” Leonard and the Clippers that series. You Kawhi Leonard fans are so delusional it’s actually hilarious😅🤣😅🤣😅🤣
Kawhi is always missing at the most important part of the season. Playoffs. Don’t just count his games played. If you get hurt in the playoffs or right before, the whole year is a wash. I don’t care how good you played.
They just said kawhis averages are based on 20-30 less games every season. Meaning every has to maintain their averages with 20-30 more games. If the averages are similar then Kawhi has to take the L even if the other players averages are less
I agree with Jordan actually. When I think of dominant I think of players you don't have an answer for, or have to change the rules for, or who define an era. Surefire dominant: MJ, Lebron, Bill Russell, Wilt, Magic, Shaq, Kobe, Bird, Kareem Dominant-ish: Curry, Hakeem, Duncan, Barkley, Isaiah Thomas
"Dominance" is a dumb ass way to measure a player. 100% subjective and, as shown here, everyone has different definitions of the word. Might as well judge players based on "aura" at this point.
I don't like talking bout kawhi bc if zaza didn't do what he did to kawhi then there would arguably be no Steph Curry, Kevin Durant or LeBron legacy all that would've been ruined hahahahahah😂
now i understand what he was saying i cant agree with the Bernard king stuff fr but kawhi is hard to talk about bc he hasnt really been healthy enough come playoff time since 2019 if we all being honest
Dude kawhi was the only player in the league taking the ball out of grown mens hands. GO LOOK AT THE FOOTAGE SCOTTIE PIPPEN WASNT DOING THAT SHIT. KAWHI THE BEST DEFENDER OF THIS GENERATION ! ALMOST 3 PEATED THE DPOTY AWARD WHILE AVERAGING OVER 24 HOW IS THAT NOT DOMINATE ?
Kawhi is sincerely injured. He’s been breaking down since zaza stepped out on him. I don’t see how he fits into the load management conversation. The man’s knees are degenerating
It is 365 days not 100 so if you miss 22 days out of 365 no you will not get fired and even if it was 100 days out of the year you still most likely won’t get fired depending on what job you doing
Was D Wade not a rookie when he got that chip with Shaq? Averaging 37pts 7 boards 6 assists and 2 steals and .8 blocks? Or am I getting my history mixed up? Serious question btw
Kawhi in 72 playoff games since 2016 29.8/8.5/4.5 1.9 stl .8 blk on 51/39/87. He has the 4th highest true shooting percentage in playoff history while mainly taking jumps shot, think about that he’s hitting shots at the same percentages as big men who take layups but he takes jump shot like kd. In what world is that not dominant
Kawhi has never dominated consistently for multiple REGULAR seasons. He simply has not. We’ve seen Lebron, Dirk, KD, Curry, Giannis, and Jokic all do it but Kawhi has not been healthy to get that reaction out of the whole panel. I swear 2019 saves his legacy because buddy hasn’t done shit since that title.
wdym he hasnt done shi since 2019? The idea cause kawhi never won a ring since 2019 dont mean he hadnt done nothing, he made all nba teams and all star teams, and lead his team in scoring, cant expect him to win a chip every year
@@mauricejohnson1068 so Steph, lebron and KD have all done those things at different points of their careers yet that doesn’t diminish their greatness overall but for some reason y’all use it as a reason to discredit kawhi career. Y’all act like those other players have won a championship every season they played but that’s simply not the case. They’ve all had short comings.
@YangoBord because D Wade is a first ballot hall of famer and kawhi is the most overrated player who never plays. They were comparing his game to jordan and max Kellerman said he was more clutch than kobe. He played on a super superteam in San Antonio and made a lucky shot against Philly and met a crippled team in the finals. That dude was slightly above average at best. Swipa just said paul pierce ain't on kawhis level. It's ridiculous how overhyped he is.
@@ArmsFerrigno slightly above average at best😂 just say you don’t like kawhi. You make ur argument by just saying dwade is a first ballot hall of famer then proceed to diminish some of the things he’s done. You made no effort to actually compare the two
I see his point a player that misses games as Kawhi for load balance or injury probably shouldn’t be in top 10 due to how short his prime is but this all people opinions anyway I have no problem with Kawhi in top 10 but I would of put him at 10 😂
It took 20 seconds for this man to piss me off 😂😂😂
😅😅😅 They should've handed him the mute
Literally 5 seconds 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
I read this comment while the video was buffering and was like ?????????
I’m 14 seconds in and can confirm this man is on some bullshit
some people genuinely mix up dominance with physical force because of shaq 😂
LITERALLY
I agree. Shaq just happened to be both.
😂😂😂
Still behind wilt in both statistical dominance and physical prowess@@bladeguru6358
That wasn’t his argument tho
equating mvps to being dominant is so nasty because we all know players like shaq and wilt people say were dominant due to their size but if i or anyone else said “shaq can’t be that dominant he only has 1 mvp while jokic has 3 so he’s more dominant than shaq” we’d look at them like their crazy
Jokic is arguably more dominant. Murray vs kobe..plus who else had a #2
@@xavierb9061 i have a love hate relationship with jokic due to me being a laker fan but if you said jokic is more dominant than shaq i can respect it i think it’s shaq due to his size and how teams how to play him but the same thing can be said with jokic as well. what about kobe and murray?
@@vibez5894 jokic dominant no strategy stop him. Shaq had strategy stop him fts etc. Shaq had kobe or he might be like wilt chamberlain points less rings
@@xavierb9061Almost but not quite. The league changed the rules to stop Shaq. The FTs didn't stop him. zone defense is amateur basketball. Thank Shaq for that. Jokic is good. He also plays in the softest most offensively easy era ever. Due to the rules. Not any fault of his own. He plays in the worst era for centers too. Shaq played in arguably the greatest era for centers. They're really not comparable.
@@MauMauBinghiI was agreeing with you until you said today defenses soft no it more complex like have you not seen the physical defense that Jaylen brown was playing on luka full court in the final you just be taking like bro did you not see the Celtics defense on the nets they played a physical zone or on Gianni’s heat on the Celtics in the playoffs today defenses is great the offense just got so advanced it hard for defenses that’s why they switched and pre switched and zone they did concept that 1990 era and below wasn’t aware of
D Wade is 3rd best SG of all time. This conversation is mute.
Moot...
nobody's arguing that. doesn't mean he was dominant. shaq lebron mike were dominant. they had a stranglehold on either the league or their conference. steph, in those 2 mvp seasons was dominant. wade nor kawhi ever had a stranglehold like that on the league, doesn't mean they're not great or they're not walking buckets.
d wade was dominant when he had shaq and lebron 😂
@@el84oro out of all the sg in history he’s the 3rd best I mean how is that not dominant
@papiisgoldtv3933 nobody is saying he isn't great. Dominant is something deeper. As the category falls, more people get added. So dominant is the fewest, great you can have your top tens or top 5s and then all stars/superstars more players get added. Wade you could say was dominant in that championship play off run. But overall, to me he wasn't. What lebron did in the east making the finals, that's dominance. What Mike did in the league, preventing people from winning, that's dominance. Shaq that's dominance. Wade was great, tbh I don't think Wade even had a season like harden did that one year. And I don't call harden dominant
0:11 when the pizza rolls are too hot
Lmao
The man got traded & landed a franchise its first title. Kawhi is stamped
Did this dude honestly say he had an argument for Allen Iverson being better than Dwayne Wade? LOL you can't be serious. This is why people say Iverson is overrated.
Wade had the better basketball career yes but the majority will take AI over Wade skill for skill
@@shinsukecorbin425 What "skill" does AI have over Wade besides handles?
@@syzorstand that’s not even that much of a difference ppl forget wade hand handles to. Lol
@@syzorsthate these mfs tht dont know ball
@@syzorst handles? ai has no left hand!!
Saying Kawhi ain’t never been dominant is crazy
He ain't no regular season MVP no scoring titles. Go learn basketball
0 reg mvp, 1 fmvp as role player under 20ppg and 1 fmvp when kd got hurt. Wheres domination?
@RichboiRob, that doesn't mean he isn't dominant. There are other ways to be dominant you clown.
When? 🤔
@@xavierb9061bro. That 2019 run championship or not was dominant
the kawhi disrespect must stop
Who else lost brain cells??? They are literally all over the place.. lmao!! 😂
This man looked dead in the camera on a bball podcast and said dwade wasn't dominant is insane 😂😂
How is a player dominant and never finished top 2 in a mvp voting .. EVER??? How is a player dominant and never been a top 3 player in thr nba and arguably top 5
@drenchmansports @drenchmansports brotha it sounds like you haven't watched or wasn't around dwades career. That is terrible argument. I beg you for the sake of your own channel to do your homework on an all time greats career.
@@drenchmansports”drenchman sports” 😂😂😂😂 man delete this shit
tell this dude go watch healthy dwade 2005-2011 regular season/postseason… bet his mind would change 🤷🏽♂️
Let's be honest. Wade could have easily won MVP 2009 but it is what it is. As great as Kawhi was. Dwade was insane he's 3rd best SG ever for a reason!!
Everyone don't know ball 😂
Wade was not healthy from '05 '11... Dwade '07 '08 season was literally cut short due to him tearing his shoulder against the rockets.... Wade wasn't even healthy during the playoffs against the pistons...so don't lie
@@orlandowilliamson691I guess u don't know ball either no way u said easily like 09 bron didn't fuckin exist
@@DarrelWashingtonJr9002 i said when he was healthy… we can exclude 2006-2007 and definitely 2007-2008
Speaking of shaq, Kawhi is the first player since shaq in 2000 to avg 30+ on 60% in a series. But somehow Kawhi isn’t a dominant player. Kawhi literally is one of the most productive and consistent players in history. And he’s doing this while tearing ligaments every other year.
So you want to call someone dominant because of a series??? He's great but not dominant. Dominant players do it most of the time not pick out certain times when they played great
@@byronmartin1840 yeah cuz Kawhi only has one dominant series👍🤨
@@byronmartin1840the argument is that Kawhi has never been dominant, which he obviously has. So the argument is over
Consistenly injuried forsure😂
Like kawahi never dominated the league, he's had dominant series in the post season but when I am talking about complete dominance I talking about fighting for mvp every season and taking your team to 10 straight finals like lebron. Or playing taking your team to the best record ever while winning mvp and the the next season winning uniamous mvp on historic stats. These guys were feared from game 1 to game 82 the conference was in a hold, they had to overcome 1 guy before they even thought about the finals😂. Imo opinion that is dominace, there only a few DOMAINANT guys at those are in the top 15 at most
Dude said no dominant player has never won MVP. Dude is a joke and I never wanna see him again. Hot takes belong on ESPN
What ????
The ghost of ticket took over this take
Rent free
4:20 they got him with that Bernard king point lmaooo. The face said it all
Boy pissed off the WHOLE panel
This guy has such a singular idea of what Dominant is lol 😂
dominance is dominance. lebron, dominant, shaq dominant, mike dominant....Kawhi's great, but he never had a stranglehold on the league or on his conference. the word just means what it means. Doesn't mean he's not great, doesn't mean he can't get buckets, doesn't mean he's not a threat on both ends of the floor. but he never dominated the league. i'd say steph was more dominant than Kawhi especially in those mvp years
@@el84oro dominance isn’t just specific to having it over the league/that players particular conference lol
@SSJRome what? I ain't calling anyone dominat if they are getting put into a chokehold by other guys. If you weren't atleast seriously feared by your conference you can't even be considered dominat.
@@itshurtt395 “ put in a chokehold “ ??? By who lol
@SSJRome you just said having domaince isn't specific to over league or a conference. I've just said the guys I call dominant is dominant so much they are feared by teams on the OTHER conference because they know they gonna have to meet him in the finals
Dwane Wade was indeed dominate! Stop playing
Kawhi slander: 🙂
D Wade slander: 😡
Shi crazy ain’t it 😭😭😭😭🤦🏾♂️
Saying allen Iverson was dominant because he won an MVP but dwayne wade and kawhi who have finals mvps and led teams to championships are not dominant makes no sense to me.
Lmaoooo
One of the best moments in panel history that's actually authentic 😂. Top Theft needs to offer him full time pay
The wade take is the craziest take I think I heard on this channel ngl 😂
68 games being the most games you played over 5 years doesnt bode well especially missing an entire season. missed a lot of basketball no fucking doubt
if a player in injured and is known to be injured why play him more games? i dont agree but i can see both sides
@@vibez5894 I don’t really care about load management they grown adults but he has missed a lot of basketball the last few years not debatable to me.
Durability means absolutely nothing. On the court who is better.
@@Purlypurlington okay so they have kawhi in the bottom half of the top 10 sf idk you agree where they have him at or not? if not then why if you don’t care about his load management yes it means he’s not playing a lot of games but it’s due to his knees
@@Grind2Excellence i mean it can but what a player does on the court matters more
Kawhi at his peak is one of the best players ever. Only small forwards that can look at him are Bron Bird and KD. Healthy Kawhi over Dr J for me
Prime Kawhi is the 2nd best player the league has ever seen after Jordan. It just was shortlived and plagued by injuries. His career playoff percentages are ridiculous. 51% FG and 40% from 3.
KD is the closest and he is at 47% field and 35% from the 3.
@@erikpuka2627 yea but Durant is more volume scorer than kawhi so the % drop is not much different , 21 point average in playoffs to kd 29
Exactly@@erikpuka2627
@@erikpuka2627 Kawhi is insanely efficient but you gotta chill. His volume was very low compared to KD because he’s always injured in the playoffs and started blooming as a scorer late. He played MUCH less playoff games and took MUCH less shots. If he took the amount of shots KD took and had the non shooters KD had in OKC ( Russ Andre Robertson etc. ) His numbers would drop. Non shooters around him would mean defences could sag off those players and load up on KD playing help all game. It’s how the warriors beat the OKC in 2016. Kawhi efficiency would still be great just like KDs but it would take a hit.
This is like when i hear people say that a player isn't a good defender until he has an All-Defense selection. Good defenders dont always get honors.
0:10 immediately pissed me off … everyones reaction was spot on 😭
And starting your career with the spurs really help those playoffs apparences
The thing about comparing eras is that players in this era have been playing WAY more basketball before they reach the NBA. Like its not even close either. The mileage on the average NBA rookie now is leaps and bounds higher than in the 90’s and earlier
From what ? I’m not hip. Do you mean Aau?
@@livefromthemotherland AAU is a summer circuit of basketball that young basketball players go through and it varies in its competitiveness based on the team you play for/how good you’re team is. Back in the day Kids could literally play for their high school and that was the only way to gain notoriety to get invited to camps to play in front of college scouts. Nowadays AAU circuits have taken over college scouting and because of this these circuits in pursuit of more money have made more and more high level tournaments and games for these kids to play. Add to the fact that many players now play for “high school” teams that are usually prep schools that play upwards of 30 games in a high school season while traveling across the nation and sometimes the globe. You will see that the average mileage on the athletes body coming into college let alone the NBA is way higher than in the past
@@talaf6616 is there a set amount of games that they play in aau? Or does it vary based on the Program the kid signs up for
@@livefromthemotherland it varies based on the program
0:10 generated some of the best reactions i’ve seen on this pod lmao 😂
They all lost it and I laughed as well man 😂😂😂
Saying Dwayne wade ain't dominant is criminal 😂😂😂
0:11 Paul Pierce before bein sent off in a wheelchair in the finals
You have to be there to “dominate” in any field in LIFE!
D wade was never dominant
Wade did not dominate, he had 1 great finals and all other great seasons were next to a lebron James. Not one dominant year other wise. Due to injury is a good arguement for him but still he never dominated like Shaq, lebron, mj, Giannis
They hired a new ticket. He just knows how to control his emotions.
I agree with bro im ngl dominant is being thrown around too loosely .. DOMINANT means nobody can fwu in the league nobody dominant is 2and3 join together to beat 1 dominant is extra people on the roster just to use fouls .. dominant is every game every night every season im the best in the world DOMINANT !
2017-2021 kawhi missed 2017 wcf missed 2018 missed 60 games in 19 choked in 20 and got hurt in 21 lmaooo THATS NOT DOMINANT
Dominant stretches in parts of the season or playoffs are not the same being a dominant player for long stretches of your career
Kawhi was consistently arguably a top 5 player at his apex who can say that in history
@@yetundeadeyemi2436 a good amount actually .. top 5 don’t make u dominant tho
Being dominant makes you dominant
@@Mogpdgiff_ and kawhi was dominant from 2016 to 23
@ no he wasn't lmao no mvps a bunch of major injuries and 1 ring lmao
Wade = 100 blocks & 100 steals
He moved the goal post so many times 😭😭😭
Thus guy is the worst. He doesn't know what he's talking about and than gets called out. And than instead of admitting he was wrong, he literally makes up whatever excuse off the top of his head as he goes.
It's very very rare that you see somebody who every point they make is proven wrong instantly like this. My goodness
I’ve never heard anyone say someone was dominant and not EVER be considered the best player in the league until now 😂😂😂
That’s a fact
Kawhi was the best player in the league casual
@@JHPG5 🧢 stop with these ridiculous takes. There was no point of time Kawhi was considered the best player in the league. At most you’d hear best 2-way player in the league but never heard anyone say he was the best… until now 😂
@@dinogodfrey15 kawhi was the best player in 2019, 2020 and 2021 yes he was watch ball
@@JHPG5 😂😂😂 bro the delusion is real. Out of those 3yrs, he makes all NBA first team once, never finished top 3 in mvp voting and only made it past the 2nd round once during that time. Had one of the biggest meltdowns in history when they blew that 3-1 lead to Denver. Yea you might be onto something with that one 🤣🤣🤣
fellas is it bad to get injured out of
your control?
This ! Kawhis detractors act like he’s just not playing to not play and finesse money from the league. The man’s body is breaking down
Lmao s/o j banks went to school with bro he hooped but i don’t remember my boy talking nba back then like the non hoopers use to. I always say hoopers don’t know the nba lol they was too busy in the gym they wasn’t watching like us bums 😂
Wait I thought the season was 82 games, not 72
We act like the dubs wasn’t injured when kawhi won…a healthy dubs was beating them 4-1 and we wouldn’t mention kawhi in this manner, he hasn’t won on La at all because he’s always hurt
Oh because Kawhi didn’t beat the greatest team of all time healthy (that team is beating every other previous champions in history) let’s ignore that playoff run. You lot be bringing up bullshit here lol
@@MJ-pz9rf I never said ignore the run lol. What im saying is we wouldn’t rate kawhi as high as we appear to do had he not won. He wouldn’t be considered a let down on the clippers, but because we expect him to win like he did in Toronto most do.
Marz feeling his self
Playoff career percentages
Kawhi 51% Field goal , 40% 3pt, 84% FT
KD 47% FG, 35% FT, 86% FT
Lebron 49% FG, 33% 3PT, 74% FT
Kobe 45% FG, 33% 3PT, 81% FT
Wade 47% FG, 33% 3PT, 78% FT
Bird 47% FG, 32% 3pt, 89% FT
Magic 50% FG, 24% 3Pt, 83% FT
Kawhi was better than these dudes. On both sides. Injuries just plagued his career. 2nd best player to ever live after Jordan.
What’s the ppg
This is the most delusional shit I ever read Lmaoo
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Kevin hart’s got competition with these jokes
Elite spacing and coaching his entire career. Show the full stats.
@@razkable to you talking bout
He'd have whooped Brons ass in 2017 if not for that ankle/quad/ACL
Kw definitely had his moments and wade definitely had his back in 06 09 so to say they were never dominant is crazy
I kind of agree with the dominance statement. I feel like yall were using that loosely
At first I had the same reaction as yall but the more i listened the more i realised, we kind of do use the word 'dominant' pretty loosely. To be dominate is multi-faceted and must stand the test of time. Dominance is also in part relative to the competition, so while dwade had an amazing year in 09, his teams record was pretty mediocre for an equally mediocre team in a mediocre east and he wasn't able to sustain that short burst of success for long.
I fully believe that dominance is the blending of peak, longevity and accolades, something very few people in the 5k that ever played in the NBA have accomplished.
If there is about 20 weeks in an NBA season. Missing 1 game a week isn’t a lot.
As soon as homie said d Wade wasn't dominant everyone it was over everyone lost it 😂😂😂
Kawahi has had the luxury off ALWAYS being on good teams until his clipper days where he still had 2-3 other super stars for the majority of that time
Marz cleared him with his argument at 16:57
I don’t disagree, to use the word “dominant” it should be unique. If you’re dominant the league revolves around you, accolades stack up , etc
How do you hold it against someone for being given what they ask for? KL asked. They didn't have to give it to him just because he asked.
Shaq never played a full 82 game season and during his Laker run he never played more than 75 games other than his championship season. History is lost a lot of players only manage about 65-70 game in a season
we just gonna leave out that he joined a perennial playoff team as a rookie and had a extremely reduced role for the first couple seasons of his career
Damn i wonder how dominant Steve Nash is in his eyes
I think I agree with him . With the exception of 2006 finals , Wade was great for sure . But I wouldn’t say he was dominant . Kawhi I never saw as dominant lol just a great player and that’s not slander lol
Exactly lol. Dominant should be a rare distinction even among elite players. Few really were dominant.
You can tell Mars is entitled lol. YES if you miss 20 days out of 100 at your punch the clock job you are DEFINITELY FIRED AF
That work attendance example is true and it's stupid. If you miss 20 days for the year but work 100, your there 80 days; that's 80%; that's a B. How in the hell is that poor attendance? It shouldn't be but it is at most of these ass backwards companies.
I was today years old when I learned that 23 ppg is dominating the league🤣😅🤣😅🤣
Kawhi is better than kobe 😂🤣😅
Also kawhi averaged 30 ppg on 60% from the field vs mavs in 2021. Dominant
@@JHPG5 How a dude that only got 11,000 career points better than a dude that got 30,000 points make it make sense.😅🤣😅🤣😅🤣
@@JHPG5 OK?!?!? You saying that like Mavs defense was special. Mavs defense was HORRIBLE that season. And if that’s the case D Wade dominated that Finals series in 2006. And that also means Donovan Mitchell has been dominant his whole playoff career INCLUDING when him and Leonard went head to head in 21 where Donovan Mitchell “DOMINATED” Leonard and the Clippers that series. You Kawhi Leonard fans are so delusional it’s actually hilarious😅🤣😅🤣😅🤣
@@dukebaylocks Mitchell blew a 2-0 lead to kawhi so he didn't dominate anything 🤣🤣🤣🤣 you kobe fans make no sense
Casual fan, gotta be
Your a casual fan
Diff between kawhi and shaq is shaq wasn't missing the postseason
This is what we wanted man not mf John Stockton debates
Kawhi is always missing at the most important part of the season. Playoffs. Don’t just count his games played. If you get hurt in the playoffs or right before, the whole year is a wash. I don’t care how good you played.
Ron almost flew out the seat 💀 Wade the third best sg ever stop it he was dominant brotha
They just said kawhis averages are based on 20-30 less games every season. Meaning every has to maintain their averages with 20-30 more games. If the averages are similar then Kawhi has to take the L even if the other players averages are less
My boy Jordan was a politician
Prime Dwayne wade instane 06-11 better than kawhi leonard
All dominant players win mvp but not all mvps are dominant
Keep going Jordan!!! Jordan was COOKING 1 on 5!
@@dukebaylocks you're always thinking about kawhi. He dominating ur head
As soon as bro said D.Wade wasn’t dominant I would have logged off the stream.
in 83 and 84 i would say king was a top 5 in the world player
12:44 saying a bunch of nothing Kawahi ain’t dominant
Why is this guy pocket watching so hard. Good for Kawhi getting that deal. What they decide is between the owner/gm and kawhi.
I agree with Jordan actually. When I think of dominant I think of players you don't have an answer for, or have to change the rules for, or who define an era.
Surefire dominant: MJ, Lebron, Bill Russell, Wilt, Magic, Shaq, Kobe, Bird, Kareem
Dominant-ish: Curry, Hakeem, Duncan, Barkley, Isaiah Thomas
How is Hakeem, Duncan and Steph ish??
They literally change the way U have to play basketball around them
Bruh when he said d Wade wasn’t dominate I would’ve kicked him off i stg
Kawhi and wade were not dominant. They just had the potential to be.
"Dominance" is a dumb ass way to measure a player. 100% subjective and, as shown here, everyone has different definitions of the word. Might as well judge players based on "aura" at this point.
I don't like talking bout kawhi bc if zaza didn't do what he did to kawhi then there would arguably be no Steph Curry, Kevin Durant or LeBron legacy all that would've been ruined hahahahahah😂
They don't beat gsw in 17
15:35 Allen Iverson was dominant but Dwyane Wade wasn’t interesting
Yall know what yall doing having Jordan on😂😂😂 clips like this lmfao.
now i understand what he was saying i cant agree with the Bernard king stuff fr but kawhi is hard to talk about bc he hasnt really been healthy enough come playoff time since 2019 if we all being honest
Kawhi was not dominating the league at all . Yall just throw that word out anyhow .jharden was dominate .
Dude kawhi was the only player in the league taking the ball out of grown mens hands. GO LOOK AT THE FOOTAGE SCOTTIE PIPPEN WASNT DOING THAT SHIT. KAWHI THE BEST DEFENDER OF THIS GENERATION ! ALMOST 3 PEATED THE DPOTY AWARD WHILE AVERAGING OVER 24 HOW IS THAT NOT DOMINATE ?
Facts , James harden was FOR SURE WHAT DOMINANCE was !
@@adeadele-nz6xt W Harden
Harden can't play defense to save his life, there's two sides to the court.
@@1MarKnows Kawhi a great player but dude never dominated the league . No WAY .
Kawhi is sincerely injured. He’s been breaking down since zaza stepped out on him. I don’t see how he fits into the load management conversation. The man’s knees are degenerating
It is 365 days not 100 so if you miss 22 days out of 365 no you will not get fired and even if it was 100 days out of the year you still most likely won’t get fired depending on what job you doing
Was D Wade not a rookie when he got that chip with Shaq? Averaging 37pts 7 boards 6 assists and 2 steals and .8 blocks? Or am I getting my history mixed up? Serious question btw
The dude in the black cap just talking for talking sake
Shaq is considered the “most dominant” but has one mvp is that statement wrong now ? .. even though people confuse dominance with physical presence
Calling Kawhi and Scottie Pippen, DOMINANT, is wild
FACTS!!
Kawhi in 72 playoff games since 2016 29.8/8.5/4.5 1.9 stl .8 blk on 51/39/87. He has the 4th highest true shooting percentage in playoff history while mainly taking jumps shot, think about that he’s hitting shots at the same percentages as big men who take layups but he takes jump shot like kd. In what world is that not dominant
Ngl i dont even think that Kawhi is better than Carmelo
Bad take
That’s a wild take lol.
Kawhi has actually won titles as the best player on his team in the playoffs. Melo was never a good defender.
Kawhi has never dominated consistently for multiple REGULAR seasons. He simply has not. We’ve seen Lebron, Dirk, KD, Curry, Giannis, and Jokic all do it but Kawhi has not been healthy to get that reaction out of the whole panel.
I swear 2019 saves his legacy because buddy hasn’t done shit since that title.
His postseason impact and stats in 2020,2021 and 2023 say different.
@@RADIOACTIVEYOUTHhe choked big time in 2020. 2021 they went to the WCF without him . 2023 he got hurt in game 1😂😂😂 and they lost that series
wdym he hasnt done shi since 2019? The idea cause kawhi never won a ring since 2019 dont mean he hadnt done nothing, he made all nba teams and all star teams, and lead his team in scoring, cant expect him to win a chip every year
@@mauricejohnson1068 so Steph, lebron and KD have all done those things at different points of their careers yet that doesn’t diminish their greatness overall but for some reason y’all use it as a reason to discredit kawhi career. Y’all act like those other players have won a championship every season they played but that’s simply not the case. They’ve all had short comings.
Y’all casuals kawhi has two dpoys trophy’s how is being the best defender in the nba not dominating 🤣🤫💯
Kawhi don't belong in any sentence with Wade.
Why not?
Then why’d you put them in a sentence together?
@YangoBord because D Wade is a first ballot hall of famer and kawhi is the most overrated player who never plays. They were comparing his game to jordan and max Kellerman said he was more clutch than kobe. He played on a super superteam in San Antonio and made a lucky shot against Philly and met a crippled team in the finals. That dude was slightly above average at best. Swipa just said paul pierce ain't on kawhis level. It's ridiculous how overhyped he is.
@@ArmsFerrigno slightly above average at best😂 just say you don’t like kawhi. You make ur argument by just saying dwade is a first ballot hall of famer then proceed to diminish some of the things he’s done. You made no effort to actually compare the two
@@YangoBord it's not an argument. There is no comparison.
BUT… can kawhi get a bucket on kawhi?
Haters are so delusional no amount of logic can change their minds
Coming off a major injury the 1st guy talking is a 🤡🤡🤡
I see his point a player that misses games as Kawhi for load balance or injury probably shouldn’t be in top 10 due to how short his prime is but this all people opinions anyway I have no problem with Kawhi in top 10 but I would of put him at 10 😂