Just for fun, for a guard to average 43 PPG on 25 shots (like AI attempted), he'd have to: Shoot 50% from the field, 40% from 3 on AT LEAST 12 attempt a night AND shoot 90% from the FT% on at least 14 attempts a night. AI has never done any one of those things ONCE.
@@jeanserrano2336 In Steph's best scoring season, where he shot 48% from the field, 42% from 3 and almost 92% from the line, he averaged 32 PPG. So no, not even Steph.
Way to be disingenuous by capping Iverson 😂 bro all he needs is a couple more 3s a game (which is what this era prioritizes so he'll improve it) and more fts a game (which he 1000% will get) and he's getting 40 a night
@@HenryDurth28 shots ? Assuming he’s making 13 of those and say 3 of those are 3 pointers. 9+20 = 29 plus like 5 free throws is 34. No where near 45 and similar to what some of the best guys in the league average now. Yall just throwing sh*t at the wall and hoping it sticks. Yall trying to shit on today’s basketball/NBA but you old heads are in every comment section proving nothing except how bad at math yall are
@@RMusingwell it only bad efficiency if you’re 30% from three drags your overall below 45 and even thats only for mosr players. Its contextual. For different players with different shooting habits the same shooting percentage can be bad, good or average.
Id give him 35 in a season for sure. If the team built around him and needed him to do that he could score like harden a few years ago. 43 points is pushing it but mid 30s he could do that for sure
@@HenryDurthlol u on another comment saying he would shoot 50-40-90. He hasn’t averaged even one of those a single season in his career 😂. You’re an L troll bruh at least try harder
A.i was a small guy in the flagrant foul era. To be averaging 33 at that size and that time, was what made him special. Now we're in a era where you can't look at a person shoot without it being a foul. Nobody is averaging 40 if embiid can't (because they're going to double you from the inbound if you that good).
@@harp1288 nah he's saying why do old players act like older players would be ELITE shooters, like they act just because they would grow up shooting threes they would be all-time great shooters
@@spade-night cause oldheads are scared their favorite players don’t look as good, especially with how much less gullible and smarter hoops fans are today
I think it’s because old heads don’t like the nba product. Old heads don’t like the new rules that allow traveling and carrying on so many plays. The 90’s were very restrictive on dribbling and moves you could do. Yes, I am an old head and don’t really like all the traveling and carrying. I do recognize that just like AI and Jordan could score 40 per game, so can many players in today’s game.
lol exactly, and these old heads still claiming he is under your comment. It’s just delusion at this point lmfao. They’ll bring up anything but stats or facts to justify it too 😂
@@leonj301Y'all need to start actually watching, appreciating and understanding basketball lol. Luka has the greenest light in the league. Harden had the greenest light in the league. Who the hell would let AI average damn near TEN more shots per game than them??
@@shepardice3775literally…I’m convinced these ppl don’t actually watch basketball…I saw a dude in this comment section who said AI would get 18 free throws a game😭
They are basically saying he’s a better shooter than Curry, Dame and James Harden??? Yeah we are now DONE with these guys. They want all the respect but can’t even respect todays generation
New niggas: "it's da mof offense of era in basketballs" Also new niggas: "No way the best scorer in a tougher/less free era could be more explosive in this era" 🤦🏾♂️
Kobe and KG at least gave props to the younger guys. Giving them words of encouragement. Kobe only bashed lazy failures who he actually played against/with and disliked even tho he took it too far with teammates. But you are 200% right. What makes it worse is that 2000s players pretend like their era was so long ago and that KD, Lebron, Chris Paul etc. were gonna be unable to thrive when they literally were all elite scorers BEFORE 2009 when they were under 25 🤣😂
@@tiktokformenofculture9753 yea kobe was the best in that aspect he always says every generation learns from each other and they need to nurture the younger generations. And yeha bruh LeBron literally lead the league in scoring his 3rd year in tf they on about.
AI was the by product of not having any kind of offensive help in his prime so he had no other choice but to Chuck up lots of shots because the 76ers front office didn’t have no kind of brain cells once so ever to get him help. But 43 points per game? Is a little bit exaggerated but he’ll at least average 30 or close to it
The only way you could stop AI from driving is fouling him. His effectiveness in this wide open league would be 50-60% from 0-3 feet. He’d get to the line 15 times and make 12 FT’s (80%) and he’d make 15 of 30 shots at the basket. 42 PPG. Now let’s take 5 of those 30 shots and make them 3-point attempts. He’d drive 25 times and make 12 and drain 2/5 from 3-point. Still 42 PPG. Add in a few outliers and games where he gets hot from 3 or has a 60-70 point explosion, he’s averaging nearly 45 ppg. Yes, he’s shooting 47-40-80 splits like he did vs the Pistons in the 2005 playoffs because like in 2005, hand-checking was banned and even against elite defense like the Pistons, that allowed him to shoot 47-40-90 splits
@@officialconchstop he only average over 30 5 times. Has only shot better than 34% from 3 one time. Has only shot better than 45% 5 times from the field. Old heads really dont know ball
No way AI is breaking 40pt avg i do think he could improve but that's like maybe 35pts Edit: after I thought about it, if he was to improve to 35-36pt avg that's a ~8-10% improvement, absolutely no way he would be able to improve more than that at such an elite level.
And mostly people forgot than outside 2001 where he average 31ppg, he average some 32-33ppg while taking 28 FGA ( more than anyone his the century) and wasn't able to have no team success. I mean Kidd had a bad team too but while average max 18 ppg he made more Conf Finals and Finals and better team basketball then someone taking all the shots of the team
@@saucegodnas7318You've never seen Jokic play, have you? It clearly shows making stupid claims like that. Jokic can defend. But the rules of today's game heavily favors the offense. Being an elite offensive player has much more value in today's game then being an elite defender.
Don’t understand how people that witnessed harden MVP season think all the older scorers could AVERAGE a significant amount more than that 35-36ppg. I mean Harden had the ball 24/7 and had a neon green light
@@tattoodaartist8754 then you not old enough to have seen him play 😂 but he made 7567 3’s that’s year 🤫🪑🤡 he put up 30 a night easily with take 2 3’s a night, oh and he had to deal with defense hand checking.
I'll tell you how, as someone who's a Chicago homer and a fan of the Rockets during the Rockets' tenure. For one, Harden's game was very simple. Layups and step-back/side-step 3s with no mid-range whatsoever. Harden's overall percentages don't take into account the game-by-game context of Harden seasons over his career. One night he can score a 50+ point triple double. The next night he can go 2-27 from the field, 1-16 from 3, getting the majority of his shots from the freethrow line. That goes especially in the playoffs when he's not gettin' foul calls. For AI to average 43 points in the modern era, more than likely he would have to be on a terrible team to get that many shot attempts, or he would have to have literally one of the best, most efficient seasons of all time, which is possible but extremely unlikely. Like, he would have to have Devin Booker Game 3/4 against the Nuggets last playoffs-type of efficiency, which I would love to see, but this is all hypothetical anyway. Either way, it's certainly possible and fun to think about.
When statements like that are made, there are some things to consider: 1) The team A.I. would be on 2) His role in the offense 3) The amount of shots he would have to take AND make 4) The number of free throws he would have to take AND make 5) Volume/efficiency 6) Whether or not the coach, the front office, or his teammates would be okay with it 7) Whether or not it would be conducent to winning He would only be able to do this on a bad team.
AI is not avg 40😂😂he would have offensively competent pieces around him where he doesn’t have to shot chuck😂😂28-33 PPg makes more sense. His shot diet would completely change. Old heads are completely fried in the brain lmaoo
The refs in the NBA are weird, it really just depends on the time of the season, what’s at stake, and really if it’s a playoff game if they allow hand check or not. Back in the day, handchecking was just the law of the land. I think people who say these guys today cannot defend our disingenuous, if the league allowed physicality, these guys would do just fine.
@LostMane no he gets paid to be on tv and talk about basketball, not watch basketball. Shaq isnt analyzing anything and probably doesnt know about sets, rotations, play styles
I think in this era Iverson would be a a mix of Damien Lillard and DeAaron Fox. I actually think he'd maintain his scoring averages on less overall shot attempts and more three point shooting but with 2 or 3 more assists due to the better spacing and better offensive players around him
There isn't a team today that could guard him. He'd get to the rim whenever he wants to. And like you said, he would finish more due to rule changes and spacing. No idea if he would average 43, but 40 isn't a stretch.
@chrisakokoh9118 You don't think he was inefficient because of how they were playing him? 2-3 big men in the paint the whole time, tight defense. You would literally have to play Drop coverage against AI and just pray he misses uncontested shots. No one is guarding him, he handles like prime Kyrie. Prime D Rose. And you can't play him tight with the rules of the game today because one screen and now it's a layup drill. So yeah I mean, sag off him and pray he can't hit open mid range jumpers I guess. That doesn't really sound like a great strategy though. Another thing is this dude, a lot like Kobe, was always playing hurt. Always driving and taking contact inside. That wouldn't happen today. He'd be fresher. There's no back-to-backs. Etc. Idk man. Not saying you're wrong I'm just saying IMO I could definitely see him getting 40 a night and breaking down any defense.
Offensive threats more lethal than AI around his height are like Steph and Kyrie and they don’t even average 40 this is ridiculous. Him averaging 40 means as a small guard his shooting % would be stupid high. so he wouldn’t be contested? No one can stand in front of him? On ball he is not a swift as Kyrie and off ball he isn’t more swift than Steph and these guys don’t average 40. Once again this is ridiculous.
I think in modern NBA not only Iverson but like 30 today superstars could make 40ppg. Points farming became to easy and what's the most important - points one player do doesn't mean that much as it was in Iverson/Shaq time. 40 points when your team make 130 isn't the same 40 when your team has 90. Now it's more important how's your teammates doing, how you as a leader make them better. That's why Jokic dominates not making even 30, and Luka scores more and more but Dallas have no progress.
You saying Dallas has no progress like every team in the west wouldn’t hate to go up against him in the playoffs 🤣🤣 they have no progress in the regular season because Luka’s play style is built for the playoffs on top of the mavs horrible front office
Could AI average 40+? Yeah, but so could a lot of elite players, it just comes down to how many shots they take. The real question is how efficient he would be if he were to try and average 40, and the answer is, probably not so efficient.
If he averaged the same points per game as he did in reality nowadays, then Iverson’s efficiency would improve. But if he took enough shots to average 40 per game, I could see it being more debatable how much his efficiency would improve.
@@user-gc1wj8tt2p who is "these players" that you're referring to that get tired? You gotta be talkimg about players in this era can't be talking about Iverson. Iverson is 4th all time in MPG. Dude was a machine on the court stamina off the charts. *NOBODY* from this era is even in the top 30. The closest you have is Bron at 15th but he's on PEDs and he's not even from this era he's from the 2000s
I think we also forgetting that AI was guarded by top defenders, but mostly point guard specialists, 6`3 or 6`4. Nowadays if AI was going off, my man you got 6`6 draymong green on you, or 6´8 kawhi, or 6`10 Jonathan Isaac. There are levels to this shit
One of the best wing defenders at the time 6'7 Bruce Bowen was put on AI. Demar Johnson at 6'9 at Atlanta was used to defend him also. Lakers used Kobe at 6'7 late in games on him. Tayshaun Prince at 6'9 with a documented wing span was used on him too. That Pistons arguably the best defensive team used 6'7 Rip as a defender also
@Oly1y In 1999-2000 season when Lakers came to Philly. They put Kobe on AI in the 4th. His tactic was to shade Iverson right side and force him left. While using his length to contest. I was there where were you?
Things to consider.vIs AI better than Steph? Is he even better than Ja Morant?Hell, was he better than LeBron or Giannis at getting to the basket? Well, if he wasn't better than either of the guys I mentioned and those guys are not averaging 40, what in the hell makes him think that he would score 40? It's ridiculous. And no, he wasn't more effective than James Harden.
@@alfonsorodriguez2739BRO HOW ARE YOU EVEN ASKING THIS???????? Steph is a TOP 10 all time worthy player and AI is what? Top 40? Steph is a better player at every single facet of the game than AI. He’s the GREATEST SHOOTER in NBA HISTORY. Lay off the weed, AI doesn’t sniff Steph’s toes
@@alfonsorodriguez2739Steph has 4 rings, 2 MVPs, is the most elite shooter ever and his gravity warped how the NBA was played and helped his team break the record for an NBA offense's efficiency, net rating and team record. You are out of your mind to even try to suggest AI was better lol AI won an MVP Shaq deserved and one notable playoff run. Most of the rest was just chucking for no reason.
He doesn't have to be a better player as a whole then those ppl, all he has to be is a better SCORER. And he is a better scorer than all you mentioned, except Lebron.
@@onelove472 But he's not a better scorer than Steph, Giannis, or Ja either. AI was a ball hog which is why he scored so much. His teams literally stood around and watched on offense. The three named all can average 30 within a winning scheme and not hogging the ball.
Ai is quite litterally the prototype of what the nba is not. He was an isolation,inefficient, midrange scorer. All of the best scorers around his height either work off ball (Steph and occasionally dame), shoot 3s (Steph and dame) or get downhill (fox and Brunson) I can see him legitimately averaging 35 because it’s easier to get downhill, but with how poor of a passer ai was they would eventually come with a scheme to send pressure at him and he would start just throwing up horrible shots and turning over the ball a lot like he did in the 2000s.
@@officialconch he was a inefficient passer. Outside of 2 years he always had a 2:1 assists to turnover ratio. Also I didn’t say that he was terrible offball, but he was so talented and good on ball that it doesn’t make sense for him to play offball.
@@LembeckIsStaying he would but ai isn’t getting shooting fouls at the 3 because he’s not shooting the 3. He would have to get down hill and I believe that eventually teams would start just throwing doubles at him because a lot of the team when he drove he was in control, but he wasn’t looking to pass
Nobody said AI would change his style. His first step was elite, he was the sytem. Yes if you change how AI plays he won't score as much. That's like saying Shaq would be ass because he'd be playing like Jokic.
What a lot of these old players don’t recognize is that the reason these players now score so much easier is because they shoot more threes and they’re better at it. When you make 4 more threes per game than another guy, you average at least 4 more points per game
This whole "They don't play defense today" gotta stop. Like come on man. This fairy tale imagination of the earlier eras where you basically had to break some bones just to do a layup is just that. A fairy tale.
Id say it would be possible for AI to average 35, but 43 is ridiculous. People saying MJ could average 50 are silly too. Peak offensive Jordan would probably end up at the line a bit more often and the more open lanes may let him be a little more efficient around the rim, maybe he takes a stepback 3 instead of 1-2 of his long mids too so as he had a season at 35 and one at 37 I could see that becoming 40 but a lot of these numbers people throw around are crazy.
If you are questioning 40 for Jordan then you need to check everyone else. The only one stopping Jordan from scoring 45 ppg is himself. I also think there are some players in todays game that can average 40 ppg if they needed too.
@@alfonsorodriguez2739 I wasn't questioning 40 for Jordan, I was saying he could do it. I was questioning 50 for Jordan. And about today's players doing it if they needed to, I would argue that Luka needs to and he isn't. I think maybe Embiid could get close.
@@tomfurey9062 both Luka and embiid could definitely average 40 if they needed too. I am biased but I think the claw could average high 30s if he needed too because of his high efficiency.
@@alfonsorodriguez2739 there is a point of diminishing returns though. At some point, the dominance of shot taking is bad for the team, Luka in particular plays right on the edge of that limit, especially when Kyrie is missing because nobody else can produce offense and he still needs to be a good enough passer to be averaging 9 assists. If averaging 40 could get him more wins, he'd be averaging 40.
@@tomfurey9062he isnt a ball hog he takes the shots he needs to really maybe 2-4 non needed shots but otha than that he does what he can and gets his team involved
If an opposing team is bricking long rebounds from 3 all night, I can envision a game where AI literally gets 30 points on fast breaks alone. And if he could carry the ball and travel with his handles, he’d end careers on a nightly basis. 43 is high but 40 is not out of the question. The game is so wide open now compared to his era. I think the only thing he might struggle with is the surplus of 6’9 utility defenders. But he’d still tear them apart 1on1.
@@goreyboyz8564 you’re assuming his efficiency would remain the same. Don’t forget he averaged a much more efficient 26-27 in Denver. The years he was scoring champ, he was chucking 20-30 shots every game because the offence was literally based on getting him a shot.
@@nbarealtalker the other point is because the nba is more open and fast paced now. Wouldn’t he average a bit more points and 8-9 assists. So 35 points and 9 assists instead of a ludicrous 43 points.
@@goreyboyz8564 I actually agree that to be the logical rebuttal. It depends how the defence reacts. There is a surplus of 6’9 utility players now playing positionless basketball but simultaneously there are like 1-2 traditional centres left in the league. Iverson was a relentless attacker of the basket and the bottom line is, the area of the court he worked in most during the half-court offence is literally a wide open field compared to his era. There is a degree of assumption involved in how the pace and openness would impact his game. But all we know is he averaged 33 with both those factors being against him in 2000-2006. My main argument would be his speed. Luka and Embid have 60-70 point games in today’s game and I don’t care what the pace and possession count is, nor how skilled they are at scoring, those dudes are everything BUT fast 😂 The reason I grant him 40 is because I think he can literally get 20-30 pts a night without shooting a single FG. He’s gonna shoot 10 free throws on a slow night and running a layup line on the fast break when the other team has a bad shooting night.
He absolutely would not get to the free throw line 18 times a game. You guys are out of your minds. There aren't even that many possessions available to be doing all that lmao. Even when Wilt averaged *50* he didn't get 18 free throws a game. I don't think y'all understand what averaging 43 or taking 18 free throws a game actually means.
All Iverson is going to do is get blitzed more pass more be taken advantage of on defense more. If he’s taking more 3s he’s not shooting that many free throws. Iverson’s 3 point shooting was 🗑️🗑️the most he ever attempted was 6 and they was with the shortened 3 point line and he averaged 34%.
@@rayrichard4665 Just a reminder that the concept of "money ball" (aka the perfect way to construct teams baseball) was literally invented by nerds who had never played baseball. You can theorize and know things without having done them. Sun Tzu literally wrote THE book on war for a thousand years without really being a soldier.
Low, for context, you have to add that the 6ers got rid of the other more capable scorers to allow Iverson to score because that was what he wanted to do. That's why he took that many shots. Iverson could average 40 in a game, but I don't think he would.
I'm pretty sure the most realistic reasoning for him scoring 40 in today's game is due to the increase in pace compared to the slow era of the early/mid 00s
these guys logic is stupid. if iverson shot more three which he makes at a lower percentage than two and he shot the similar number of shots, how would his shot percentage goes up? are they educated in basic mathematics?
AI percents are based on a more restrictive game and him not practicing the 3. You don’t need to do all these computations to just ask yourself; could he come up with an extra 7 points a game to be at 40. I think he could if he is still on a sorry team.
@@alfonsorodriguez2739 If Iverson shoots 2s at 40 something percent and 3s at third something percent, the season he shoots more 2s, his overall shot per cent will be higher than the one he shoots more 3s because 40 is greater than 30. note that guy isn't talking about true shooting or effective field percentage, because he probably don't have enough brain cells to do that. its not about his game its just basic statistics. iverson can only improve this number if he shoots 2s at a significantly higher percentage than his actually career. by significant I literally mean like 10% or more higher which is highly unlikely because he is a poor outside shooter. the only way he can average 30 plus is with extremely high volume shooting. i can see him having a season like westbook's MVP season by taking 25 plus shots to average 30 odd points with below average shooting.
@@Timobozaexactly, in a era “where they don’t guard” you think he’s passing? that mf chucking 25 shots for 26 ppg maybe 4-6 assists on a 42 win team. eliminated in the play-in.
Here are some stats that kind of go with what McCants said: If Iverson took 25 shots a game with 10 being 3s at around 38%, 15 shots being 2s at around 53%, and 13 FTs at around 83.5% (about his best FT %)...he would average 38.2 PPG. With the same shot distribution, he would have to shoot 64% from 2, 41% from 3, and 88.5% from the stripe to average 43 PPG.
I honestly think AI would be more efficient in this era, that late 90s 00s defense was brutal, he shot low 40s for his career, but I think guys like him, Tracy McGrady, and Kobe would all have closer to 50% shooting in this league
@@dadillonful AI: 4 scoring titles Kyrie: 0 scoring titles. Kyrie is not on AI's level when it comes to scoring. If he was he would have at the very least 1 scoring title. Especially with the benefit of the 3 ball. He has none.
Agent Zero talking about dribbles when the whole reason we have the Iverson Cut sets is because Larry Brown invented them for AI so he could attack defenses even when he was offball
Yeah but I agree with McCants that his field goal percentage would be higher cause of easy buckets. Ut Jennings had the best point that he wouldn't get over 40 pts because of the personnel. But his 76er team he would have the green light which means he would have the opportunity to avg 40
same time tho the defensive identity of this era would mean if he was on that 76ers team, he might actually have a harder time scoring cause aint nobody guarding any of the 5 non shooters on the roster unless they're involved in a PnR action. He'd prolly average similar numbers to his '06 season taking shit into account@@leroymcconnell9881
1000% but this LOW guy is a statistician and so are most of his followers. The problem with these ppl is that their view is skewed by stats and they use only stats to make their case and push common sense and logic to the side, they don't see anything else but stats. So if it doesn't make sense statistically (mathematically) then it doesn't make sense logically to them. But logic and common sense would tell you that if a player scored 33 ppg in an era much more difficult to score, then he would score more ppg in an era much more easier to score. So 10 more ppg is not out of reach at all.
Pace is faster but not enough to justify a 10 point jump…plus stars today play less minutes than eras b4…AI was routinely playing 42 minutes…no star today plays more than 37…plus even if u put him on the worst offensive team in the league(Memphis) he would have much better offensive talent than those 76ers teams and he wouldn’t have to do as much offensively
@@edf1747 92,7 possession for 6xers then, now 97,5 (with Embiid). It's like 5 possession more, so +/- 1 give or take. Allen couldn't convert into a 3 shooter, that wasn't his style, so no, no 43 ppg with more possession. More place means more fast breaks, but no defense means needing to keep the offense ratings high, so relying on 3s he couldn't make (in 2005 that would mean pass to Korver). So likely more assists, same ppg at best, with a struggling team.
People today, regardless of generation, like to hang their hats on stats... which doesn't always tell the complete story. At some point, the eye test has to come into play! People need to really go back and watch game films and physical attributes on Allen Iverson. 6'0" 165 lbs. 44" vert, wingspan, and hand size of a 6'5" individual, ran baseline to baseline in 3.0 secs flat, played and dominated with debilitating injuries. I believe the older generations are a little hard on y'all, but they are like that because they see the disrespect being shown to the past... by the present. Allen Iverson is one of the reasons the dress and hair codes are so laid back in corporate America today. AI was 2001 scoring champ, regular season MVP, All-Star MVP and lead a team of cast offs to the finals and gave the Lakers their only loss in the playoffs that year... on a 48-point performance!
As someone who was old enough to remember watching Iverson play, I can tell you it's extremely likely he could average 40+, the spacing and gamelan has vastly changed since he's been around. His 3 would be much better than 30% I believe because of the training for it. The spacing of the game is better than its ever been. Its very good weather for iso game. Which is what he specializes in. We already have an idea of what he would look like with kyrie, could kyrie do it? Uh... yeah, he could. Could is the operative word here. The gamelan would have to be ball heavy for his hands, which could lack efficiency in overall team performance. At the end of this, COULD Iverson average 43? Yes. He could. Is it likely? Not really. Most teams won't sacrifice this much to get their players. Plus minutes seem to be getting a bit lower than they used to be. I love watching Iverson. But 43? Eh. Sure I'll give it to him. But... selfishness or not, I guarantee the team isn't getting past 40 wins. The history of high scoring players doesn't usually bode well for efficiency in team production, so, you can have your cake, but... might not be able to eat it.
On a bad team A.I would get his numbers but I don’t see a team tryna compete building around a 6 foot slasher who wasn’t the greatest shooter or playmaker
Seriously tho. Ppl keep saying players like AI, Shaq & MJ would average 40+ in today's nba. The funny thing is even in today's nba nobody averaging 40. Not even 35! Luka is averaging 34.2 or some shit. You'd figure with teams averaging 130pts/game someone should be averaging close to 40 by now but that's not the case. As far as the 3 players mentioned, the only one that has the best chance is MJ due to his EFFICIENT scoring & free throw making. AI was far from effecient & Shaq with his free throw issues AND Shaq would slow the game down for his team. Shaq would actually be a liability to his team. Especially if the other center is an efficient 3pt shooter that runs the floor. Smh
What Rashaad seems to be missing in his argument about Iverson going up against the "top centers" is that after Iverson's rookie year Ewing and Olajuwon had significant drop-offs and the center position as a whole was in decline. Most centers, outside of the small amount of Hall of Fame ones, during Iverson's era just were not that good. Most were nothing but big bodies and nothing else!!
@@tdjkhazard4522 I till don't think he averaging 40. 40 for a whole season ain't no joke. Not to mention, the year he average 37, he played 40 mins. Aint no way in hell he playing that much and he's not enough of a three point threat to counter act that. I think, at his best MJ would average the same if not less than his peak. So I would give him around 33
@@leonj301 defense are more dynamic and complicated than every before. It's just that offense has skyrocketed in comparison. A team like the 2018 rockets would shit on a team like the 96 bulls. Either way, 40 is definitely not as simple as you think it is and Jordan wouldn't be able to do it unless he took every single shot
They think 120 dribbles divided by 20 shots means 6 dribbles per shot so, 400 dribbles divided by 6(dribbles per shot) equals how many shots he would take
Thank you. I was huge AI fan back in the day, but the revisionist history around was crazy. All people remember was the amazing 2001 finals run but forgot the rest of his career where he never came close.
The only players from the past that I could see average 40-43 today if they really wanted to is Mike, Kobe, Peak KD, and Peak Steph Curry. They all would be first or at absolute best second round exits if they did that tho😭😭
In the years he played in Denver, he played the most efficient basketball of his career cause he had help. Lol iverson is the reason big men are dribling more doing crossovers like Kevin Durant and more, not to mention his college years. He's your favorite player favorite player just chill.
@@vanp2050nah he isn’t. Ai is good but he isnt “ way better than Trae” they are in the same tier honestly Ill take a Trae young over a Ai any day honestly
@@LeNut-yi7uiyou’re right I gotta correct myself. Max he would get a a game is 36-38 I said 40 just thinking if he would’ve worked on his 3 point game more which I assume he would’ve.
There is not one guard in the NBA that could stand in front of Iverson. Stop the cap. Also, his efficiency was not great because he was getting doubled and sometimes triple teamed. Same with Kobe. Yall quick to say Harden is this amazing scorer, but ALOT of his points came from free throw line and back then the step back he does would be called a travel every time. This is a dumb discussion in general, what they are saying is Iverson could score more points per game in today's NBA than when he played. His game would adjust a little bit, but he was demon to stop one on one or two on one at his size.
I love Allen Iverson's game and whatnot. But yeah, there's no way he's averaging 43 points. I could see scoring about 33-39 ppg. His assists would most certainly increase because every team has more than one offensive threat. I can honestly see AI attempting like 6 3's a game.
Maybe it would be good to consider the effect of contested and uncontested shots in both eras to see the point of Iverson's statement. Iverson's speaking from the experience of going against a contact heavy leave in his era. Moreover, you have consider that Iverson would be able take at least another step (Euro step), thus giving him more ability to free up than he already has. Subsequently, he's a real point guard with elite basketball skills that allows him to free up quicker because he's a driving threat. The less contact on defense and the allowance for the zone defense spreads the court for his midrange game...
This was a great video LOW. Through all the number crunching and disagreeing the whole time I’m wondering what it would take for Iverson to average 43 and at the end you gave it to us. Great work.
Iverson was a sg so he wouldn't avg more assist because he would be the main guy on any team today. His scoring was done most in the mid range but in today he would up his three ball but without defense he would be at the rim most like Kyrie. Kyrie and Lillard are averaging about 19 fga per game. Iverson was a shoot first player like Mj and Kobe no matter who on his team. So he would be at least avg 40 now
The fact he’s 5’11 gotta matter at some point
He’s 6’0 ft, still small NBA standards
@@donthevalenno he is not he is smaller than Chris Paul
And weighs 165
Lmao better go look at who he dunked on before his foot injury 😂
@@leroyflex1258 that’s the thing tho one injury and he’s cooked like IT was
Just for fun, for a guard to average 43 PPG on 25 shots (like AI attempted), he'd have to:
Shoot 50% from the field, 40% from 3 on AT LEAST 12 attempt a night AND shoot 90% from the FT% on at least 14 attempts a night.
AI has never done any one of those things ONCE.
That sounds like Steph Curry to me 💪🏾
@@jeanserrano2336 bruh huh?
@@jeanserrano2336 In Steph's best scoring season, where he shot 48% from the field, 42% from 3 and almost 92% from the line, he averaged 32 PPG.
So no, not even Steph.
@@De3dSh0tits just not possible 🥲
Way to be disingenuous by capping Iverson 😂 bro all he needs is a couple more 3s a game (which is what this era prioritizes so he'll improve it) and more fts a game (which he 1000% will get) and he's getting 40 a night
43 on 41 shots a game and 12 FTs
45 on 28 shots
@@HenryDurthhell nah
@@HenryDurth28 shots ? Assuming he’s making 13 of those and say 3 of those are 3 pointers. 9+20 = 29 plus like 5 free throws is 34. No where near 45 and similar to what some of the best guys in the league average now. Yall just throwing sh*t at the wall and hoping it sticks. Yall trying to shit on today’s basketball/NBA but you old heads are in every comment section proving nothing except how bad at math yall are
Killing his team basketball chemistry and finishing 11seed 😂
He's probably getting 18 FTs
Shooting 10 threes and making 3 is Terrible lmaoo
but shooting 10 and making 4 is elite? 😂
@@peso9894 yes. 30% from three is equal to 45% efg(bad efficiency). 40% frim three= 60% efg( elite efficency)
@@RMusingwell it only bad efficiency if you’re 30% from three drags your overall below 45 and even thats only for mosr players. Its contextual. For different players with different shooting habits the same shooting percentage can be bad, good or average.
@@peso9894yes u clearly know nothing about ball 4/10 is elite all time %
@@peso9894yeah they delusional
Id give him 35 in a season for sure. If the team built around him and needed him to do that he could score like harden a few years ago. 43 points is pushing it but mid 30s he could do that for sure
@goatbrook9065 in this easy era with no defense spacing and wide open shooting and zero hand checking yall never watched Iverson live on TV 😊
How about 37 or 38?
@@darnellwilliams8783hand checking doesn't work on fast and shifty guards sped
For 1 yr maybe but idk why yall think these old guys will get special powers in the future
@@SeeingShadows yes it does casual you can foul and push smh your cotton candy generation is gonna stop disrespecting the 90s
Shout out to AI averaging 43... and going 12-70
😂
Lol
The anti-jordan
Not in today's game watch Steve Nash the year before he blow up was the year rule changes happened went from back up point to mvp cannadate
U havent watched 3 full AI games.
Some NBA Podcast consist of:
Insane smoke sessions.
Recounting the golden years.
Asinine takes.
All while under the influence of that sticky icky.
They were right tho. Iverson would slay everyone and everything
there’s no way u think a 2000s player will average 43 points in a game that’s evolved 20 years
@@HenryDurthcool he’s not averaging 40
@@HenryDurthlol u on another comment saying he would shoot 50-40-90. He hasn’t averaged even one of those a single season in his career 😂. You’re an L troll bruh at least try harder
@RayAlvarez-js1rs lebron is a titan?
They're the EXACT reason why the meme "WE DONE WITH THE 90s" came about lol.
Shit, we might be done with the 2000's
@@goncalosilva53692000’s deserves way more hate than the 90’s
He's 2000s genius
Well ratings seems to say everybody is done with the 2020's
More like done with US basketball
A.i was a small guy in the flagrant foul era. To be averaging 33 at that size and that time, was what made him special. Now we're in a era where you can't look at a person shoot without it being a foul. Nobody is averaging 40 if embiid can't (because they're going to double you from the inbound if you that good).
If Embiid pounded the paint and stopped shooting so many jumpers he probably could. How many centers in the league could actually defend him? 4?
They double Embiid because he can't pass out of a double-team.
@conchobar I agree. However with all those doubles he see, his efficiency will drop
@@Davian_James until this year thanks to nurse.
@@Cakebattered not 4 0
Why do yall think every old person would think 40% from 3. Yall realize ppl still cant shoot in todays league
Todays 3pt pct is the highest ever, todays shooters surpass the past by miles
@@harp1288 nah he's saying why do old players act like older players would be ELITE shooters, like they act just because they would grow up shooting threes they would be all-time great shooters
@@spade-night cause oldheads are scared their favorite players don’t look as good, especially with how much less gullible and smarter hoops fans are today
@@harp1288lies they just take more 3’s than ever before
@@eddierivers3250 it’s not lies if stats prove it🤷♂️
yeah comments like this are the reason why the whole "we done with the 90's" happened
I think it’s because old heads don’t like the nba product. Old heads don’t like the new rules that allow traveling and carrying on so many plays. The 90’s were very restrictive on dribbling and moves you could do. Yes, I am an old head and don’t really like all the traveling and carrying. I do recognize that just like AI and Jordan could score 40 per game, so can many players in today’s game.
@@alfonsorodriguez2739scoring - yes, averaging - no
@@alfonsorodriguez2739they’ll score “40” but their team will keep losing for all time
@@curtiszyrexactly. No player has ever scored 40 ppg and won a ring. Even in the postseason.
Correct.
If youre saying ai is averaging 40, youre saying hes a better scorer than kd, sga, lula, giannis, and embiid.
😂 your comment proves exactly why ai would have 43 you got 2 centers on your list
His separation to get to the basket, and create shots makes him 10xs much better of a scorer... NO ONE could defend AI.
@@clouty_tv9985 you're stupid.
lol exactly, and these old heads still claiming he is under your comment. It’s just delusion at this point lmfao. They’ll bring up anything but stats or facts to justify it too 😂
@@pierregreer5281delusional lmao
I dare to say he ain’t 10/12 points better than KD/Steph and I got cooked didn’t know when AI suddenly became MJ on steroids
Did you watch it in real time? When it happened?
@@rosharma7443exactly dudes be young & just chat never seen him play 🤡🤡🤡
@@rosharma7443fuck that ai did 33 against great defenders back then now ain’t no defense he could easily stomp on these new cats
@@rosharma7443 yes I did but the nostalgia is not gonna twist my mind into thinking he's the greatest player ever.
@@jerrylanes8354 yeah shooting 40% from the field, but to be fair u think he's able to do it, but the efficiency it's gonna be piss poor.
No coach in their right mind would give AI that much leeway on the court to try and even attempt averaging 43pts.
Why not the game is wide open like a pair of legs nowadays anyway ... I often see guys get free points in the lane ...
@@leonj301Y'all need to start actually watching, appreciating and understanding basketball lol.
Luka has the greenest light in the league. Harden had the greenest light in the league. Who the hell would let AI average damn near TEN more shots per game than them??
@@shepardice3775literally…I’m convinced these ppl don’t actually watch basketball…I saw a dude in this comment section who said AI would get 18 free throws a game😭
@@leonj301 mj got free lanes to the basket at will in the 90s
@@shepardice3775exactly 😂😂
They are basically saying he’s a better shooter than Curry, Dame and James Harden??? Yeah we are now DONE with these guys. They want all the respect but can’t even respect todays generation
Jordan ain’t ever disrespected todays players, we ain’t done with him, he STILL the GOAT
Because they're trash.
How does AI relate to MJ tho? MJ never disrespected these guys
@@kingdinodragonite3470 who said anything about MJ
AI is a better scorer than steph, dame, and harden! A better finisher at the basket too!!
Old heads: "Man, I'd score 50 in today's game."
Also old heads: "Why these kids all talking crazy?"
New niggas: "it's da mof offense of era in basketballs"
Also new niggas: "No way the best scorer in a tougher/less free era could be more explosive in this era"
🤦🏾♂️
2000s old heads are worse than the 90s it hurts cuz I grew up watching these guys but this is ridiculous
Shaq in particular grinds my gears
Kobe and KG at least gave props to the younger guys. Giving them words of encouragement. Kobe only bashed lazy failures who he actually played against/with and disliked even tho he took it too far with teammates.
But you are 200% right. What makes it worse is that 2000s players pretend like their era was so long ago and that KD, Lebron, Chris Paul etc. were gonna be unable to thrive when they literally were all elite scorers BEFORE 2009 when they were under 25 🤣😂
@@tiktokformenofculture9753 yea kobe was the best in that aspect he always says every generation learns from each other and they need to nurture the younger generations.
And yeha bruh LeBron literally lead the league in scoring his 3rd year in tf they on about.
@@tiktokformenofculture9753kobe was also a rapist.
@@BC21beatslebron's a communist.
AI was the by product of not having any kind of offensive help in his prime so he had no other choice but to Chuck up lots of shots because the 76ers front office didn’t have no kind of brain cells once so ever to get him help. But 43 points per game? Is a little bit exaggerated but he’ll at least average 30 or close to it
The only way you could stop AI from driving is fouling him. His effectiveness in this wide open league would be 50-60% from 0-3 feet. He’d get to the line 15 times and make 12 FT’s (80%) and he’d make 15 of 30 shots at the basket. 42 PPG.
Now let’s take 5 of those 30 shots and make them 3-point attempts. He’d drive 25 times and make 12 and drain 2/5 from 3-point. Still 42 PPG.
Add in a few outliers and games where he gets hot from 3 or has a 60-70 point explosion, he’s averaging nearly 45 ppg.
Yes, he’s shooting 47-40-80 splits like he did vs the Pistons in the 2005 playoffs because like in 2005, hand-checking was banned and even against elite defense like the Pistons, that allowed him to shoot 47-40-90 splits
@@officialconchstop he only average over 30 5 times. Has only shot better than 34% from 3 one time. Has only shot better than 45% 5 times from the field. Old heads really dont know ball
Yo just found this channel with this video and you are speaking so much facts, literally the best take I’ve ever heard on something like this
No way AI is breaking 40pt avg i do think he could improve but that's like maybe 35pts
Edit: after I thought about it, if he was to improve to 35-36pt avg that's a ~8-10% improvement, absolutely no way he would be able to improve more than that at such an elite level.
And mostly people forgot than outside 2001 where he average 31ppg, he average some 32-33ppg while taking 28 FGA ( more than anyone his the century) and wasn't able to have no team success. I mean Kidd had a bad team too but while average max 18 ppg he made more Conf Finals and Finals and better team basketball then someone taking all the shots of the team
He’s gonna be a liability on defense, he won’t be playing as many minutes as the 2 way guards in the league now because he won’t be able to get stops.
@@rellbandoo6572 2x steals leader???
@@rellbandoo6572 Besides Luka and Jokic are also defensive liabilities and they’re way bigger than AI.
@@saucegodnas7318You've never seen Jokic play, have you? It clearly shows making stupid claims like that. Jokic can defend. But the rules of today's game heavily favors the offense.
Being an elite offensive player has much more value in today's game then being an elite defender.
Who here actually seen him play 96-03
Don’t understand how people that witnessed harden MVP season think all the older scorers could AVERAGE a significant amount more than that 35-36ppg. I mean Harden had the ball 24/7 and had a neon green light
😂 James harden 🤫🪑🤡
Exactly and people forget Harden one of best 3 point shooters and Curry year he won scoring championship and Unanimous MVP.. Still wouldn't got to 40
And he literally made like 289 3’s that year . Saying iverson would shoot like James harden is CRAZY
@@tattoodaartist8754 then you not old enough to have seen him play 😂 but he made 7567 3’s that’s year 🤫🪑🤡 he put up 30 a night easily with take 2 3’s a night, oh and he had to deal with defense hand checking.
I'll tell you how, as someone who's a Chicago homer and a fan of the Rockets during the Rockets' tenure. For one, Harden's game was very simple. Layups and step-back/side-step 3s with no mid-range whatsoever. Harden's overall percentages don't take into account the game-by-game context of Harden seasons over his career. One night he can score a 50+ point triple double. The next night he can go 2-27 from the field, 1-16 from 3, getting the majority of his shots from the freethrow line. That goes especially in the playoffs when he's not gettin' foul calls.
For AI to average 43 points in the modern era, more than likely he would have to be on a terrible team to get that many shot attempts, or he would have to have literally one of the best, most efficient seasons of all time, which is possible but extremely unlikely. Like, he would have to have Devin Booker Game 3/4 against the Nuggets last playoffs-type of efficiency, which I would love to see, but this is all hypothetical anyway. Either way, it's certainly possible and fun to think about.
When statements like that are made, there are some things to consider:
1) The team A.I. would be on
2) His role in the offense
3) The amount of shots he would have to take AND make
4) The number of free throws he would have to take AND make
5) Volume/efficiency
6) Whether or not the coach, the front office, or his teammates would be okay with it
7) Whether or not it would be conducent to winning
He would only be able to do this on a bad team.
AI is not avg 40😂😂he would have offensively competent pieces around him where he doesn’t have to shot chuck😂😂28-33 PPg makes more sense. His shot diet would completely change. Old heads are completely fried in the brain lmaoo
Ai wouldn't make the playoffs ball hogging this era 😂
as a kid in Philly watching Iverson hoop ALL THE TIME. To say he would average 43ppg is wild and they should put the drugs down lol.
Brandon Jennings is the only dude in that room with a brain. Wild.
He said jordan would average 50 so clearly he's not all there either
@@W3althy_BurritoOnme he was trippin too I heard tht 😂
@@W3althy_Burrito so clearly he does have a brain. Cope about it
@@ArnoldsWorId awwww the truth hurts baby girl
why shaq acting like NOBODY gets away with hand checking nowadays?
It’s not the same tbh
Cuz Shaq isn't watching games
@@lkhguycrazy he literally gets paid to watch games tf
The refs in the NBA are weird, it really just depends on the time of the season, what’s at stake, and really if it’s a playoff game if they allow hand check or not. Back in the day, handchecking was just the law of the land. I think people who say these guys today cannot defend our disingenuous, if the league allowed physicality, these guys would do just fine.
@LostMane no he gets paid to be on tv and talk about basketball, not watch basketball. Shaq isnt analyzing anything and probably doesnt know about sets, rotations, play styles
I think in this era Iverson would be a a mix of Damien Lillard and DeAaron Fox. I actually think he'd maintain his scoring averages on less overall shot attempts and more three point shooting but with 2 or 3 more assists due to the better spacing and better offensive players around him
There isn't a team today that could guard him. He'd get to the rim whenever he wants to. And like you said, he would finish more due to rule changes and spacing. No idea if he would average 43, but 40 isn't a stretch.
His 3 point shot isnt deadly so ppl would sag off of him and they could have a 6'8 wing guarding him the whole game so i dont think he averaging 40
@@chrisakokoh9118 What 6'8" guy is staying with AI?
@@Enyalus87 alot of em when they sag off of him, dude is very inefficient
@chrisakokoh9118 You don't think he was inefficient because of how they were playing him? 2-3 big men in the paint the whole time, tight defense. You would literally have to play Drop coverage against AI and just pray he misses uncontested shots. No one is guarding him, he handles like prime Kyrie. Prime D Rose. And you can't play him tight with the rules of the game today because one screen and now it's a layup drill. So yeah I mean, sag off him and pray he can't hit open mid range jumpers I guess. That doesn't really sound like a great strategy though. Another thing is this dude, a lot like Kobe, was always playing hurt. Always driving and taking contact inside. That wouldn't happen today. He'd be fresher. There's no back-to-backs. Etc. Idk man. Not saying you're wrong I'm just saying IMO I could definitely see him getting 40 a night and breaking down any defense.
Offensive threats more lethal than AI around his height are like Steph and Kyrie and they don’t even average 40 this is ridiculous. Him averaging 40 means as a small guard his shooting % would be stupid high. so he wouldn’t be contested? No one can stand in front of him? On ball he is not a swift as Kyrie and off ball he isn’t more swift than Steph and these guys don’t average 40. Once again this is ridiculous.
They never think about it mathmatically . At the end of the day it's the mythicizing of these old players that is leading stans to these conclusions .
Been looking for a good term and mythicizing is PERFECT
I think in modern NBA not only Iverson but like 30 today superstars could make 40ppg. Points farming became to easy and what's the most important - points one player do doesn't mean that much as it was in Iverson/Shaq time. 40 points when your team make 130 isn't the same 40 when your team has 90. Now it's more important how's your teammates doing, how you as a leader make them better. That's why Jokic dominates not making even 30, and Luka scores more and more but Dallas have no progress.
No, Dallas don't progress because of their Defense. Their struggles have nothing to do with how much Luka scores.
I disagree with the luka point but overall idea i agree with. Most superstars could average 40 if they get the ball funnelled to them all game
You’re a casual
You saying Dallas has no progress like every team in the west wouldn’t hate to go up against him in the playoffs 🤣🤣 they have no progress in the regular season because Luka’s play style is built for the playoffs on top of the mavs horrible front office
Many of today’s players can average 37+ if they wanted. I believe the claw could average 40 if he was on a bad team and was selfish
I'm glad someone is calling these fools out. Some of the takes they throw out are actual insanity.
Could AI average 40+? Yeah, but so could a lot of elite players, it just comes down to how many shots they take.
The real question is how efficient he would be if he were to try and average 40, and the answer is, probably not so efficient.
If he averaged the same points per game as he did in reality nowadays, then Iverson’s efficiency would improve.
But if he took enough shots to average 40 per game, I could see it being more debatable how much his efficiency would improve.
@@fortynights1513casual
not true these people ain't gods. These players get tired after scoring 30 pts in 10 games now 40 pts? This still the nba.
Iverson could play rn and average 30. In his prime 45 ppg is probably a low number
@@user-gc1wj8tt2p who is "these players" that you're referring to that get tired? You gotta be talkimg about players in this era can't be talking about Iverson. Iverson is 4th all time in MPG. Dude was a machine on the court stamina off the charts. *NOBODY* from this era is even in the top 30. The closest you have is Bron at 15th but he's on PEDs and he's not even from this era he's from the 2000s
I think we also forgetting that AI was guarded by top defenders, but mostly point guard specialists, 6`3 or 6`4. Nowadays if AI was going off, my man you got 6`6 draymong green on you, or 6´8 kawhi, or 6`10 Jonathan Isaac. There are levels to this shit
One of the best wing defenders at the time 6'7 Bruce Bowen was put on AI. Demar Johnson at 6'9 at Atlanta was used to defend him also. Lakers used Kobe at 6'7 late in games on him. Tayshaun Prince at 6'9 with a documented wing span was used on him too. That Pistons arguably the best defensive team used 6'7 Rip as a defender also
@@toryou6lmao 6'7" kobe. Stop trying to make ai seem greater by lying
@Oly1y In 1999-2000 season when Lakers came to Philly. They put Kobe on AI in the 4th. His tactic was to shade Iverson right side and force him left. While using his length to contest. I was there where were you?
Bro iverson would cook draymond
Stop it 😂😂
43 points on 40 shots seems realistic 👍🏾
I feel he would have d Mitch type numbers minus the assists unless he had a solid core around him
He’d have a good amount more points than Don
@@MrBond-tv1euMitchell is more explosive, much better shooter, and at rim finisher. Just as good of a shot creator.
Things to consider.vIs AI better than Steph? Is he even better than Ja Morant?Hell, was he better than LeBron or Giannis at getting to the basket? Well, if he wasn't better than either of the guys I mentioned and those guys are not averaging 40, what in the hell makes him think that he would score 40? It's ridiculous. And no, he wasn't more effective than James Harden.
So you think Steph is better than AI? If so, based on what?
@@alfonsorodriguez2739BRO HOW ARE YOU EVEN ASKING THIS???????? Steph is a TOP 10 all time worthy player and AI is what? Top 40? Steph is a better player at every single facet of the game than AI. He’s the GREATEST SHOOTER in NBA HISTORY. Lay off the weed, AI doesn’t sniff Steph’s toes
@@alfonsorodriguez2739Steph has 4 rings, 2 MVPs, is the most elite shooter ever and his gravity warped how the NBA was played and helped his team break the record for an NBA offense's efficiency, net rating and team record.
You are out of your mind to even try to suggest AI was better lol
AI won an MVP Shaq deserved and one notable playoff run. Most of the rest was just chucking for no reason.
He doesn't have to be a better player as a whole then those ppl, all he has to be is a better SCORER. And he is a better scorer than all you mentioned, except Lebron.
@@onelove472 But he's not a better scorer than Steph, Giannis, or Ja either. AI was a ball hog which is why he scored so much. His teams literally stood around and watched on offense. The three named all can average 30 within a winning scheme and not hogging the ball.
Nah mcants just be yapping bruh, 43 points is ridiculous, like cmon not even nobody average 40 in this century like cmon 😂
Ai is quite litterally the prototype of what the nba is not. He was an isolation,inefficient, midrange scorer. All of the best scorers around his height either work off ball (Steph and occasionally dame), shoot 3s (Steph and dame) or get downhill (fox and Brunson) I can see him legitimately averaging 35 because it’s easier to get downhill, but with how poor of a passer ai was they would eventually come with a scheme to send pressure at him and he would start just throwing up horrible shots and turning over the ball a lot like he did in the 2000s.
Yea he was a poor passer and was terrible off ball 😂😂😂😂
Peace out kids, enjoy your time. I had my time.
@@officialconch he was a inefficient passer. Outside of 2 years he always had a 2:1 assists to turnover ratio. Also I didn’t say that he was terrible offball, but he was so talented and good on ball that it doesn’t make sense for him to play offball.
@@5stariley
I was the biggest AI hater but with his quickness he'd live at the free throw line.
@@LembeckIsStaying he would but ai isn’t getting shooting fouls at the 3 because he’s not shooting the 3. He would have to get down hill and I believe that eventually teams would start just throwing doubles at him because a lot of the team when he drove he was in control, but he wasn’t looking to pass
Inefficient? 😂😂
Nobody said AI would change his style. His first step was elite, he was the sytem. Yes if you change how AI plays he won't score as much.
That's like saying Shaq would be ass because he'd be playing like Jokic.
What a lot of these old players don’t recognize is that the reason these players now score so much easier is because they shoot more threes and they’re better at it. When you make 4 more threes per game than another guy, you average at least 4 more points per game
This whole "They don't play defense today" gotta stop. Like come on man. This fairy tale imagination of the earlier eras where you basically had to break some bones just to do a layup is just that. A fairy tale.
Id say it would be possible for AI to average 35, but 43 is ridiculous.
People saying MJ could average 50 are silly too. Peak offensive Jordan would probably end up at the line a bit more often and the more open lanes may let him be a little more efficient around the rim, maybe he takes a stepback 3 instead of 1-2 of his long mids too so as he had a season at 35 and one at 37 I could see that becoming 40 but a lot of these numbers people throw around are crazy.
If you are questioning 40 for Jordan then you need to check everyone else. The only one stopping Jordan from scoring 45 ppg is himself. I also think there are some players in todays game that can average 40 ppg if they needed too.
@@alfonsorodriguez2739 I wasn't questioning 40 for Jordan, I was saying he could do it. I was questioning 50 for Jordan.
And about today's players doing it if they needed to, I would argue that Luka needs to and he isn't. I think maybe Embiid could get close.
@@tomfurey9062 both Luka and embiid could definitely average 40 if they needed too. I am biased but I think the claw could average high 30s if he needed too because of his high efficiency.
@@alfonsorodriguez2739 there is a point of diminishing returns though. At some point, the dominance of shot taking is bad for the team, Luka in particular plays right on the edge of that limit, especially when Kyrie is missing because nobody else can produce offense and he still needs to be a good enough passer to be averaging 9 assists.
If averaging 40 could get him more wins, he'd be averaging 40.
@@tomfurey9062he isnt a ball hog he takes the shots he needs to really maybe 2-4 non needed shots but otha than that he does what he can and gets his team involved
If an opposing team is bricking long rebounds from 3 all night, I can envision a game where AI literally gets 30 points on fast breaks alone.
And if he could carry the ball and travel with his handles, he’d end careers on a nightly basis. 43 is high but 40 is not out of the question. The game is so wide open now compared to his era.
I think the only thing he might struggle with is the surplus of 6’9 utility defenders. But he’d still tear them apart 1on1.
43 is out of the question simply given his efficiency. 39 is possible
@@goreyboyz8564 you’re assuming his efficiency would remain the same. Don’t forget he averaged a much more efficient 26-27 in Denver. The years he was scoring champ, he was chucking 20-30 shots every game because the offence was literally based on getting him a shot.
@@nbarealtalker the other point is because the nba is more open and fast paced now. Wouldn’t he average a bit more points and 8-9 assists. So 35 points and 9 assists instead of a ludicrous 43 points.
@@goreyboyz8564 I actually agree that to be the logical rebuttal. It depends how the defence reacts. There is a surplus of 6’9 utility players now playing
positionless basketball but simultaneously there are like 1-2 traditional centres left in the league. Iverson was a relentless attacker of the basket and the bottom line is, the area of the court he worked in most during the half-court offence is literally a wide open field compared to his era. There is a degree of assumption involved in how the pace and openness would impact his game. But all we know is he averaged 33 with both those factors being against him in 2000-2006. My main argument would be his speed. Luka and Embid have 60-70 point games in today’s game and I don’t care what the pace and possession count is, nor how skilled they are at scoring, those dudes are everything BUT fast 😂
The reason I grant him 40 is because I think he can literally get 20-30 pts a night without shooting a single FG. He’s gonna shoot 10 free throws on a slow night and running a layup line on the fast break when the other team has a bad shooting night.
He was already carrying the ball half the time lol.
In todays NBA , Iverson would definitely get to the free throw line 18 times a game
If I'm not mistaken a missed shot while being fouled isn't recorded, so those free thows are added points that don't affect FG%.
If he’s attempting more 3s he’s getting to the line less. So it cant be both. It would cancel out.
He absolutely would not get to the free throw line 18 times a game. You guys are out of your minds.
There aren't even that many possessions available to be doing all that lmao. Even when Wilt averaged *50* he didn't get 18 free throws a game. I don't think y'all understand what averaging 43 or taking 18 free throws a game actually means.
Refs would stop calling that shit
All Iverson is going to do is get blitzed more pass more be taken advantage of on defense more. If he’s taking more 3s he’s not shooting that many free throws. Iverson’s 3 point shooting was 🗑️🗑️the most he ever attempted was 6 and they was with the shortened 3 point line and he averaged 34%.
Low PLEASE come out with more videos explaining efficiency. Old heads and youngins both are in need of school
Some of these people are lucky they were professional athletes and didn’t have to user their brains in regular jobs😭
Only 1 player averaged 40 or more in a season. It's okay if AI doesn't reach 40 a game 🤣🤣🤣 this discussion is stupid in general
Nerds vs hoopers has potential to be the best internet war of all time 🤣🤣
@rayrichard4665 facts Low is the new Jason whitlock
Big facts, never picked up a ball in their life. The love stats not the game
@@mervo2379 all of Allen Iverson's haters look the same out of shape never played basketball Whitlock Low
@@mervo2379 it reminds me of the dudes nobody knew sitting at the lunch table talking about what the actual hoopers need to be doing better 🤣
@@rayrichard4665 Just a reminder that the concept of "money ball" (aka the perfect way to construct teams baseball) was literally invented by nerds who had never played baseball. You can theorize and know things without having done them. Sun Tzu literally wrote THE book on war for a thousand years without really being a soldier.
Low, for context, you have to add that the 6ers got rid of the other more capable scorers to allow Iverson to score because that was what he wanted to do. That's why he took that many shots. Iverson could average 40 in a game, but I don't think he would.
I'm pretty sure the most realistic reasoning for him scoring 40 in today's game is due to the increase in pace compared to the slow era of the early/mid 00s
these guys logic is stupid. if iverson shot more three which he makes at a lower percentage than two and he shot the similar number of shots, how would his shot percentage goes up? are they educated in basic mathematics?
AI percents are based on a more restrictive game and him not practicing the 3. You don’t need to do all these computations to just ask yourself; could he come up with an extra 7 points a game to be at 40. I think he could if he is still on a sorry team.
@@alfonsorodriguez2739 If Iverson shoots 2s at 40 something percent and 3s at third something percent, the season he shoots more 2s, his overall shot per cent will be higher than the one he shoots more 3s because 40 is greater than 30. note that guy isn't talking about true shooting or effective field percentage, because he probably don't have enough brain cells to do that. its not about his game its just basic statistics.
iverson can only improve this number if he shoots 2s at a significantly higher percentage than his actually career. by significant I literally mean like 10% or more higher which is highly unlikely because he is a poor outside shooter.
the only way he can average 30 plus is with extremely high volume shooting. i can see him having a season like westbook's MVP season by taking 25 plus shots to average 30 odd points with below average shooting.
I think AI would average Trae types numbers 26-28 pts and 8-10 assists
No
You obviously never seen AI play if you think he averaging 8-10 assists 😂😂. He's a scorer and nothing else (no hate)
@@Alex_SD619 He averaged 7.9 in 05 lol
@@Timobozaexactly, in a era “where they don’t guard” you think he’s passing? that mf chucking 25 shots for 26 ppg maybe 4-6 assists on a 42 win team. eliminated in the play-in.
AI averaging 26 ppg? lol, that is harder to believe than him averaging 50 ppg. Come on man
The All Star game just had 200 points on both sides, what are we doing here?
This mans using all-star games as an example 😂👉🤡
@@W3althy_Burrito stay salty trolll
Rashad McCants be that one uncle that be talking too much after a few drinks at the BBQ. 😅
Here are some stats that kind of go with what McCants said:
If Iverson took 25 shots a game with 10 being 3s at around 38%, 15 shots being 2s at around 53%, and 13 FTs at around 83.5% (about his best FT %)...he would average 38.2 PPG.
With the same shot distribution, he would have to shoot 64% from 2, 41% from 3, and 88.5% from the stripe to average 43 PPG.
That ref guy is doing some crazy girl math with his extrapolations 😂
He’d easily avg 40 pts with a trash team (with like 16 of 56 shooting and a few free throws)…
I honestly think AI would be more efficient in this era, that late 90s 00s defense was brutal, he shot low 40s for his career, but I think guys like him, Tracy McGrady, and Kobe would all have closer to 50% shooting in this league
@MRRAUCH93 This is fair but averaging 40? Teams would rather force you to get 10 assists and 25 points rather than let him go for 40 all game.
He would shoot a way better percentage than before lol defense a joke 😂
It may be exaggerated how trash the defense is now.
But the spacing might help shooting splits.
@@Ninjersey1no he wouldn’t
Iverson shooting percentage will shoot up at least 5 percent minimum.Him driving to the Basket not shooting over traditional Centers it will be OVER
Its painfully obvious, don't understand how so many ppl in these comments can't see that.
By that logic kyrie Irving should be averaging 43, he’s a better finisher and 3 point shooter than iverson
@@dadillonful How many scoring titles does Kyrie have?
@@tinawhite9318 way more skilled players in this era than before
@@dadillonful AI: 4 scoring titles
Kyrie: 0 scoring titles.
Kyrie is not on AI's level when it comes to scoring. If he was he would have at the very least 1 scoring title. Especially with the benefit of the 3 ball. He has none.
I’m an old head, a Sixers fan, and a huge Iverson fan. I can’t argue with a thing this man said.
Agent Zero talking about dribbles when the whole reason we have the Iverson Cut sets is because Larry Brown invented them for AI so he could attack defenses even when he was offball
Iverson would average around 27-32 ppg cuz teams won’t let him score all day
Yeah the mighty defense of today...he averaged 33 in the slowest era in nba history...im sure he can be mid 30s now
The year Allen Iverson averaged 33 pts, all he had to do is make one extra bucket per quarter. This is based on the same roster he played with.
with his shot percent that's deadass 8-9 more attempts per game dawg
Yeah but I agree with McCants that his field goal percentage would be higher cause of easy buckets. Ut Jennings had the best point that he wouldn't get over 40 pts because of the personnel. But his 76er team he would have the green light which means he would have the opportunity to avg 40
same time tho the defensive identity of this era would mean if he was on that 76ers team, he might actually have a harder time scoring cause aint nobody guarding any of the 5 non shooters on the roster unless they're involved in a PnR action. He'd prolly average similar numbers to his '06 season taking shit into account@@leroymcconnell9881
Many of those extra point would be free throws and missed shots on a foul don't count against you. People seem to forget that.
@@Sabe2k he had to put up all those shots if he wanted a chance to win. His team was garbage.
But with the pace wouldn’t they have more possessions so he’s able to shot more?
1000% but this LOW guy is a statistician and so are most of his followers. The problem with these ppl is that their view is skewed by stats and they use only stats to make their case and push common sense and logic to the side, they don't see anything else but stats. So if it doesn't make sense statistically (mathematically) then it doesn't make sense logically to them. But logic and common sense would tell you that if a player scored 33 ppg in an era much more difficult to score, then he would score more ppg in an era much more easier to score. So 10 more ppg is not out of reach at all.
Pace is faster but not enough to justify a 10 point jump…plus stars today play less minutes than eras b4…AI was routinely playing 42 minutes…no star today plays more than 37…plus even if u put him on the worst offensive team in the league(Memphis) he would have much better offensive talent than those 76ers teams and he wouldn’t have to do as much offensively
@@edf1747 92,7 possession for 6xers then, now 97,5 (with Embiid). It's like 5 possession more, so +/- 1 give or take. Allen couldn't convert into a 3 shooter, that wasn't his style, so no, no 43 ppg with more possession. More place means more fast breaks, but no defense means needing to keep the offense ratings high, so relying on 3s he couldn't make (in 2005 that would mean pass to Korver). So likely more assists, same ppg at best, with a struggling team.
People today, regardless of generation, like to hang their hats on stats... which doesn't always tell the complete story. At some point, the eye test has to come into play! People need to really go back and watch game films and physical attributes on Allen Iverson. 6'0" 165 lbs. 44" vert, wingspan, and hand size of a 6'5" individual, ran baseline to baseline in 3.0 secs flat, played and dominated with debilitating injuries. I believe the older generations are a little hard on y'all, but they are like that because they see the disrespect being shown to the past... by the present. Allen Iverson is one of the reasons the dress and hair codes are so laid back in corporate America today. AI was 2001 scoring champ, regular season MVP, All-Star MVP and lead a team of cast offs to the finals and gave the Lakers their only loss in the playoffs that year... on a 48-point performance!
As someone who was old enough to remember watching Iverson play, I can tell you it's extremely likely he could average 40+, the spacing and gamelan has vastly changed since he's been around. His 3 would be much better than 30% I believe because of the training for it. The spacing of the game is better than its ever been. Its very good weather for iso game. Which is what he specializes in. We already have an idea of what he would look like with kyrie, could kyrie do it? Uh... yeah, he could. Could is the operative word here. The gamelan would have to be ball heavy for his hands, which could lack efficiency in overall team performance. At the end of this, COULD Iverson average 43? Yes. He could. Is it likely? Not really. Most teams won't sacrifice this much to get their players. Plus minutes seem to be getting a bit lower than they used to be.
I love watching Iverson. But 43? Eh. Sure I'll give it to him. But... selfishness or not, I guarantee the team isn't getting past 40 wins.
The history of high scoring players doesn't usually bode well for efficiency in team production, so, you can have your cake, but... might not be able to eat it.
Despite defence being mid nowadays, it'd still take him 45 attempts to score 43 a game lol
On a bad team A.I would get his numbers but I don’t see a team tryna compete building around a 6 foot slasher who wasn’t the greatest shooter or playmaker
Seriously tho. Ppl keep saying players like AI, Shaq & MJ would average 40+ in today's nba. The funny thing is even in today's nba nobody averaging 40. Not even 35! Luka is averaging 34.2 or some shit. You'd figure with teams averaging 130pts/game someone should be averaging close to 40 by now but that's not the case. As far as the 3 players mentioned, the only one that has the best chance is MJ due to his EFFICIENT scoring & free throw making. AI was far from effecient & Shaq with his free throw issues AND Shaq would slow the game down for his team. Shaq would actually be a liability to his team. Especially if the other center is an efficient 3pt shooter that runs the floor. Smh
What Rashaad seems to be missing in his argument about Iverson going up against the "top centers" is that after Iverson's rookie year Ewing and Olajuwon had significant drop-offs and the center position as a whole was in decline. Most centers, outside of the small amount of Hall of Fame ones, during Iverson's era just were not that good. Most were nothing but big bodies and nothing else!!
Bro averaged 33 in one of the slowest paced seasons in nba history
But it still took him 25+ shots to get it so the pace doesn't matter.
pace dont matter its the amount of shots taken that counts
@@rogelioatempa1115 and he’d shoot 30+ in this era
@@spade-night more possessions, more times to shoot 🤷🏼♂️
@@trojanFever24no he wouldn’t he would get that monte Ellis and Josh smith treatment. Way to inefficient he gone have a seat or be out the league
BJ was killin it, until he said MJ would average 50 lol. other than that, he was correct
Yeah 50 is crazy. But considering he averaged 37 in his just his third season and I don’t think a 3ppg jump is all that inconceivable
@@tdjkhazard4522 I till don't think he averaging 40. 40 for a whole season ain't no joke. Not to mention, the year he average 37, he played 40 mins. Aint no way in hell he playing that much and he's not enough of a three point threat to counter act that. I think, at his best MJ would average the same if not less than his peak. So I would give him around 33
@@VoltageMarvel In today's NBA a avg. Of 40 or 50 wouldn't surprise me at all ... Turnstile D...
@@leonj301 defense are more dynamic and complicated than every before. It's just that offense has skyrocketed in comparison. A team like the 2018 rockets would shit on a team like the 96 bulls. Either way, 40 is definitely not as simple as you think it is and Jordan wouldn't be able to do it unless he took every single shot
I’d give him a solid 38 for sure.
They think 120 dribbles divided by 20 shots means 6 dribbles per shot so, 400 dribbles divided by 6(dribbles per shot) equals how many shots he would take
Thank you. I was huge AI fan back in the day, but the revisionist history around was crazy. All people remember was the amazing 2001 finals run but forgot the rest of his career where he never came close.
With his efficiency and lack of defense, he a perennial 6th man.
You on crack if u believe that clown 🤡
The only court this phat boy has touch is Blaze Pizza
Dog, I was thinking the same thing, dude, looking like this talking about another man averaging 40 lol
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The only players from the past that I could see average 40-43 today if they really wanted to is Mike, Kobe, Peak KD, and Peak Steph Curry. They all would be first or at absolute best second round exits if they did that tho😭😭
Lebron could average 40
You don’t know Iverson lol poor casuals
Lmao you put Steph but not Lebron? 😂
@@RandomShowerThoughtsno he couldn’t lol
How could you name Kobe and not name Shaq? Who in the league today could guard him?
bruh, please fix the audio balancing - your audio is low, then gets loud when something else is playing (the footage of gils arena for example)
In the years he played in Denver, he played the most efficient basketball of his career cause he had help. Lol iverson is the reason big men are dribling more doing crossovers like Kevin Durant and more, not to mention his college years. He's your favorite player favorite player just chill.
iverson would be like trae young in today's game statistically
Less assists more points but yea
other than height and free throw attempts they aren’t close in any way 😐
These dudes obviously have never seen AI play dude is way better than Trae
never said anything about playstyle@@vanp2050
@@vanp2050nah he isn’t. Ai is good but he isnt “ way better than Trae” they are in the same tier honestly
Ill take a Trae young over a Ai any day honestly
Idk man. My mycareer player is avg 48/15/6 on 49 percent
Luka would've average a 50-point triple double in the 90s
Luka in the 90s would’ve had them pissed 😂. Then they’d just talk about how he has no defense
Naw more big men in the paint.
First elbow to the forehead, Luka is done
Bullshit
Luka would probably be a PF in the 90s, just breaking ankles of those big men😂.
If IT could average 30 I could definitely see AI getting 36-39 in today’s game so him saying 40 isn’t crazy to me personally
Rashad McCants make me feel like I could legit be on a podcast cause wtf where them stats and where he get dem numbers I’m crying right now 😂😂
30-40 is not that outrageous
It is outrageous
@@LeNut-yi7uiyou’re right I gotta correct myself. Max he would get a a game is 36-38 I said 40 just thinking if he would’ve worked on his 3 point game more which I assume he would’ve.
@@MrBeastjebuzeven if he shot 40% from three(which he never even got close to), he would still not come close to 40
Shit like this is why we said we don’t with the 90s, to say that is just blatant downplaying of our generation so we’re gonna downplay urs
😞 aww hurts
@@leonj301 yes, my brain is very hurt from this dum ass take💀
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Today’s game would allow him to cook.
All the travels, carries, and space these players today get away with…
He’d be a monster.
He'd be taking 45 shots on 36% lol
Crazy that better scorers than him currently (Luka, Embiid) are getting 35 max lol but AI scoring 43? 😂
@@CMXRthat’s false they look better because AI played in an era where teams had played defense these players don’t
Do u suffer from autism?
@20k200 no they look better because they're better and don't take dumbass shots
He's gonna Chuck up 15 more shots to average 43. Most inefficient scorer of all time tbh.
There is not one guard in the NBA that could stand in front of Iverson. Stop the cap. Also, his efficiency was not great because he was getting doubled and sometimes triple teamed. Same with Kobe. Yall quick to say Harden is this amazing scorer, but ALOT of his points came from free throw line and back then the step back he does would be called a travel every time. This is a dumb discussion in general, what they are saying is Iverson could score more points per game in today's NBA than when he played. His game would adjust a little bit, but he was demon to stop one on one or two on one at his size.
That Gil podcast is garbage
Low is the Dj akademiks of the sports world. A chubby guy in a room taking spicy to a screen with hot takes.
The pro that played against him said yes he would. Hall of Fame player at that. But a RUclipsr knows better than the pro's
I still have a poster of Iverson in my high school bedroom, and despite being a huge AI fan, these guys are smoking!
I love Allen Iverson's game and whatnot. But yeah, there's no way he's averaging 43 points. I could see scoring about 33-39 ppg. His assists would most certainly increase because every team has more than one offensive threat. I can honestly see AI attempting like 6 3's a game.
Maybe it would be good to consider the effect of contested and uncontested shots in both eras to see the point of Iverson's statement. Iverson's speaking from the experience of going against a contact heavy leave in his era. Moreover, you have consider that Iverson would be able take at least another step (Euro step), thus giving him more ability to free up than he already has. Subsequently, he's a real point guard with elite basketball skills that allows him to free up quicker because he's a driving threat. The less contact on defense and the allowance for the zone defense spreads the court for his midrange game...
This was a great video LOW. Through all the number crunching and disagreeing the whole time I’m wondering what it would take for Iverson to average 43 and at the end you gave it to us. Great work.
Iverson was a sg so he wouldn't avg more assist because he would be the main guy on any team today. His scoring was done most in the mid range but in today he would up his three ball but without defense he would be at the rim most like Kyrie. Kyrie and Lillard are averaging about 19 fga per game. Iverson was a shoot first player like Mj and Kobe no matter who on his team. So he would be at least avg 40 now
With how many free throws guys shoot in the NBA these day's. Saying A.I would average 40 is really not as crazy as you might think.
You can see the confidence flying off of low in videos and on the internet 🛜 I wonder how he would be in person 🤔
I think 80% of the people in this comment section could beat Low in a one on one.