Honestly what's sad is they're not even bottom 5 without wemby and that's with them being really young and not communicating not helping alot and leaving guys on an island at times, like they look really bad yet somehow are better than 5 other teams. Makes u think how bad are those teams are
It doesn't quite work like that. So if you make that adjustment for Wemby to compare/contrast, you have to also make that adjustment for every other team. If the focus is just getting an idea of how much impact Wemby has, it's fine, doesn't really matter. The Spurs as a whole don't just jump into the top 5, at least not necessarily. You have to also take every other team's best player, look at the defense when he is on the court and then rank all the defenses accordingly. Otherwise what you're looking at is the average of all the NBA teams vs Spurs only when Wemby is on the court instead of average of all the NBA teams also only when their best defensive player is on the court vs Spurs and Wemby.
@@SauliBo1I don't disagree that Minnesota is just way better than the Spurs as a unit on defense. Also on offense for that matter but I digress. To me it's a sham to take an individual award and give team success a ton of consideration. It's supposed to be an individual award. You can add some value towards team success. If individual success never translate to team success, then how valuable are you really? I just wouldn't put as much weight on team success for MVP, DPOY, etc as voters do for the individual awards in the NBA. I think Wemby should run away with it this season. Gobert is a really good defender though and the same way Wemby shouldn't be punished for being on a bad team (both offensively and defensively), Gobert shouldn't be punished for being on a good team. The Wemby on/off court stat has a considerable flaw if you don't also make the same adjustment for every other team. It is a good indicator though.
Swap Wemby and Gobert, and suddenly Wemby is the clear frontrunner for DPOY. So clearly the criteria has nothing to do with the individual player's performance, and that's ridiculous.
Gobert is consistent, he knows what it's like to be the best defensive player, in the best defense in the entire NBA, multiple times. Top 1, Top 2, Top 3 etc... with Utah, the best defenders he had over 9 years, it's Favors and Royce O'Neal. Gobert with the Spurs, the spurs are in the top 10 defensively.
@@tidus2275 no 1 player is bringing a team from a bottom 25 defense to a top 10 defense… especially not on the spurs. The spurs without wemby are the pistons, wizards, or worse tbh.
@@tidus2275no the fuck they’re not lmao all u gotta do is watch them play and see that wemby clearly has more defensive impact, the wolves have the best defense without Rudy as well
@@jamesmacker Yes. I've seen Wemby get tons of blocks, steals, bad shots because teams are coached to attack him, "Euro = SOFT" BS. Smart teams don't attack the xenomorph.
@@jamesmacker of course. Just watched the other night vs Mavs. He was AWFUL. And vs Nuggets. He was good but not particularly great. Hard to be with those teammates though
@@Edd_LShoreIm a mavs homer watch almost every game. I have not seen lukas lobs pnrs and mid range game thrown off as much as it was that night and the majority of it was just vic being too close and making him rethink a lot of his go to moves. Ive not seen another defender do that to that degree ever
For a 14th seed? Larry Legend came into a 21 team and took them to over 50 wins. Even LeBron improved the Cavs record from the year before. He's making an impact but clearly not enough.
What's crazy is the fact that Vic has had five or more blocks in a third of his games this season. He is easily the best defensive rookie since Duncan imo.
@@deanoss777 Honestly not a bad take but personally I might still pick Timmy and while I can't be for sure I assume Bill Russell also was probably better
@@Ginger2882.in an era where 3 pointers weren’t being taken, there was shit all for space, and no 3 second rule??? Wemby averaging his stocks in this league and doing the things he’s doing is a LOT more impressive than the clogged paint defense of old
Because some people just don't want to do it. Look at what they did to Jokic, he should be a 3-peat MVP, but....🤦🏿♂️ They wouldn't let Luka be an All-Star his rookie year, so I'd be surprised if they a rookie get DPOY over a vet.
Agreed. And Giannis too, they didn’t even consider him being an MVP candidate going into the year after his back to back and it’s funny because he won the title that year. They already wrote him off with "voters fatigue" 🤷🏾♂️
@@blackmanwithcomputerwell considering Wemby plays only like half the game that means the other half is a bunch of sorry defenders on the court which would heavily negate the positive defensive impact wemby has when on the court
@@The_Jbeast Similar situations didn't stop Gobert from leading top 10 team defenses. Rudy averaged a little less than 32min, winning DPOY, while surrounded by defensive trash.
The only reason I’m pushing back so hard on this is because imo this could easily become an excuse to keep it from him in the future if he’s in a similar situation.
The awards voting is definitely flawed and needs a hardline criteria that makes it’s fair and logical. Wemby should’ve been an all star honeslty, it’s why I hate that it’s only 12 roster spots per conference but nba teams have 15 max. There should at least be 15 guaranteeing a rookie from each conference gets a spot. The USA Basketball team had a tradition where they pick one college student to join the roster. Anthony Davis was on the redeem team after Kentucky.
Why Wemby is your 2024 DPOY: - Leads the league in blocks (by far) - Leads the league in stocks (by far) - #2 in steals league-wise in February… - Spurs defense is elite (#5) with him on the floor. Could have been higher had he played center full season… - Spurs defense is DEAD LAST when he’s off the floor. Not only dead last but also historically bad defensively. Competing for the “worst defensive team ever” title when he’s off the court. - Only player with 10 blocks in a game this season. - Only player with back to back 5steals 5blocks games since MJ. - And the number of shots the opposing team does not take because he’s there is probably his biggest argument that does not show up in the stat sheet. - Opposing teams are setting high screens, double screens, re-screens, just to make sure he’s out of the paint… for a rookie… That’s how impactful he is. He is the DPOY and it’s not even close. By - @Peroriperora
Facts Wolves have the best defence even when Gobert is not playing, it’s clear they have a great system meanwhile Wemby is so clearly the superior defender
@@ckthegreat100making a comment without context is casual behaviour. He didn’t say Draymond is a casual, he said that he sounded like a casual in that comment … he did
@@itshurtt395 no it’s not. Your comment was dumb. When Nash won back to back mvps when he shouldn’t have. When Joel won mvp because Kendrick Perkins pulled the race card. Even the beginning of basketball, bill Russell lead his team to the championship his rookie year but yet his teammate Tommy Heinsohn won roy and Bob Cousy won mvp. So this has always been going on. Go educate yourself
@@Von.NorthEnd your just another new gen who says stupid shit like "Nash didn't deserve his mvps" you can say what you want but he won it because he deserved it, others deserved it to that's how the games goes. Does that mean the value of those awards go down? No because at that point this ain't a competitive sport if nothing matters
@@itshurtt395 anyone who’s knows basketball that isn’t stupid like you knows that Nash only won back to back because of politics. And you ignored my other two points…just stop you’re embarrassing yourself
@@Von.NorthEnd you didn't make two other points. You made one point with 3 examples 🤦♂️ clearly what I am saying isn't embarrassing when people still give value to awards for decades now aswell as no one in the their right minds would actually listen to what your saying
It's like saying if your team isn't top in scoring you can't win the scoring title 😅... DPOY should go to the best defender, regardless of team success or team abiity
Team success should have never played as big of a factor for DPOY as it does for MVP. I honestly don’t think team success should ever play a role for individual awards except for when the race is close. With DPOY it’s not even close and we still got more basketball left but Wemby is clearly the most IMPACTFUL defender in the league rn and for that reason alone he should win especially when if he’s on the floor they have the 2nd best defense.
If he doesn't win defensive player of the year I wouldn't be too upset. Whatever he's putting on the table right now will be doubled within a year or two.
Wemby’s been surging in the odds in the past 3 months and just recently he’s moved down to less than +500 in some oddsmakers with Rudy going from -1000 to -400 👀👀👀 If Wemby somehow gets 300+ blocks and 100+ steals by the end of the year the dpoy race could get to near 50/50 imo 🤷🏾♂️ Either way been great to see dpoy getting as much talk as the mvp this year 💪🏾🔒
Getting kind of tired of people saying this. Nobody has ever won DPOY without being in one of the leagues best defences. Like it or not, this is simply how the award has always worked
True but for arguments sake when was the last time someone won DPOY that wasn’t a top 10 defense? Let alone bottom 5. I don’t really think this is a sound argument but just historically would be interesting to see
@@Romanus- Any other year I would agree. But Wemby is a top 10 defense by himself. That's what's so crazy about this. If he was just getting blocks then I get it, but he really is carrying that defense to a top 5 defense when he's on the court. The problem is he has minutes restrictions, which makes this even crazier. The accolades fits the exception criteria. He is objectively the best defensive player in the league right now. He just so happens to be on one of the worse defensive teams. I get your point Rudy is not to be ignored either.
Wemby isn't the 1st 7 foot plus unicorn Center, and what happens is these bean pole type of players are more of the Bol Bol types, 4 PPG and then once in a blue moon a monster performance. Wemby is something completely different with everything he's consistently been able to do all while under minutes restrictions. He is everything he has been hyped up to be.
Man I hope bro wins it, the on/off numbers are crazy. Him being a rookie and the team defense being bad he prob won't get it but it'd be historic if he did
I thought European players don’t play defense only to recall many of them are good defensive players and good rebounders which is a defensive measure and good screeners going back ten years back and watching the world championships of basketball, these European teams were good defensively where Germany 🇩🇪 won it without any big star offensively
The spurs I believe are 23rd in defense, they are 2nd when hes on the floor. When he's not, they're one of the worst in the league. He is CLEARLY DPOW whether he wins or not.
We need a perimeter defensive player of the year and a interior defensive player of the year because it’ll allow us to respect bigs in their role and guards in their and not expect one or the either to try and be the other.
if you can average 36 points on a team ranked 30th in offense... you are still going to win the scoring title... so why is it not the same for defense?
Scoring title is not the same as dpoy. In fact your analogy is trash and you should use a better one if I'm keeping it a buck with you. Scoring title is a numbers thing, dpoy isn't.
He's gonna win the Block Title which is more equivalent to the Scoring Title. You're basically saying every Scoring Champion should also be MVP. Which is a bad take.
Victor can steal lead the league in blocks on a bad defensive team and not win dpoy. You’d be surprised how often the league leader in blocks or steals doesn’t win dpoy.
It’s so stupid like why do they even post defensive stats if ur odds of winning the award is ur team record it’s stupid, honestly the nba needs to come out and explained these awards.
You have to actually win games to get a good win share number...and win shares is a accumulative stat so missing games also hurts you especially if you are missing games your team wins
My only problem with him winning as a rookie is his numbers are only going up so if he wins this year then he has to win every year that his numbers get better. That's why the advanced stats are useful for this.
They will go up tho. If he’s this good as a rookie imagine him 3-4 years from now and then when he hits his prime around late 20’s he’ll be even more ridiculous
By this logic depending on their numbers a losing teams best player could be mvp then. If were going on the individual player and not including there team.
Things like precedent’s and team success should factor minutely. But only when the individuals are closely ranked. What Wemby is doing is simply insane, and it’s either him or Gobert.
I agree with Draymond, however, with the criteria that he requires LOW proved him wrong still. I don’t think Rudy is a bad defender by any means but he’s not great. He’s good in rotation, he’s great at getting contests, he’s good at shot blocking, but I haven’t seen him stop or intimidate any great offense in the playoffs. I understand it’s a team game, but I would say the same for someone who wins MVPs every year but are first round exits every year. At some point being the “best” on a given side of the floor has to contribute to a ring or deep playoff run and he hasn’t done either. Good defender not great or how he’s made out to be. Wemby to me, already has a better impact on the defensive floor than Gobert do, Wemby might end up being a much better defender when it’s all said in done as well.
In soccer, you could get goalkeeper of the year even if your team leaks 2.5 goals a game and is bottom of the keague, if you are saving 10 shots a game and basically rule your area. And if you're a rookie, it won't matter.
Ion care what nobody says, the defensive rating with him on the floor vs off the floor should win him the award alone 🤷 because if im not mistaken he has the highest differential between on/off the court in NBA HISTORY
Lol I typed out the stats like an idiot because i paused the video. But i think thats enough to prove his case. Ppl also use that same metric with Mvps etc. His relative defensive impact is honestly unmatched. And if you look deeper, his impact of shot selection is also crazy, but you dont need the stats but 2 working eyes to see that.
When you are in a loosing team, you can go for risky plays and if they pan out great (you get a steal or a block), if they don't, no big deal you're going to loose anyway. On a wining team you take way less risks that could hurt your team chances. On a loosing team, you stad pad basically.
It's called Defensive PLAYER of the year. Seems to pertain to one person's individual skills on defense. I personally think Wemby is the best defensive player in the league, judging him apart from his team.
*The only thing against him is the Spurs record, but that's a team thing not him. Mad respect to him for saying Rudy can have it this year, and all the rest of them will be his lol.*
How can a team, which is top 5 defensively 28 out of 48 minutes, lose so many games? 115+. They beat GSW without Wembanyama, normally they shouldn't have won, since apparently without him they are nothing defensively. Top 5 on its own... Well, we don't know, sometimes it's top1, top6 etc
@@theguywhoasked2957 Wilt averaged 37.6 points, 27.0 rebounds and 2.3 assists in 72 games in his rookie season. He was selected to play in his first All-Star game. He won the Rookie of the Year award and his first MVP award
Same people who argue Kobe Bryant should’ve won mvp in ‘06 because of how historically pisspoor the lakers offense would be when he’s off the floor, should be the same ones that argue why Wemby should be in dpoy convos.
Theres a reason it’s called “defensive PLAYER of the year” and not “defensive TEAM of the year”. Give the best individual defender the award and don’t take team into account…
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In order to win MVP, you can't have good teammates otherwise that's "Too much help" In order to win DPOY, you HAVE to have good teammates to have a top team defense. The logic is just inconsistent
@@nathanwalker6284 You need a good team, but not too good. People disregard Giannis' MVP case "Because he has Dame" even though he's been underwhelming.
The thing is Wemby being the best defensive player in the worst defensive team means he doesn’t have to share his numbers. Compare that to Rudy who isholding his own with McDaniels Towns and Edwards taking some share of the defensive stats and it is clear that the team success matters when talking about such trophies.
Towns improved a lot and has become an verage defender at best but he is way above anyone of the spurs team that’s why I talked about him. Obviously the greatest defensive impact after Rudy is McDaniels
Defensive player of the year is an individual award. its funny when teams win championships they say their player won and compare it to how many other players have won, even tho its a team award, but when it comes to defensive player of the year, they say his team is not good defensively! its an individual award tho. maybe there should be a best defensive team award too.
Great video man super entertaining, I must say is the only difference in opinion I have is that wemby is the DPOY and it’s really not close there is no argument Draymonds reasoning is incorrect inconsistent and therefore invalid if Rudy wins I high key wanna boycott the nba because they just being ignorant at this point like what are we doing you got Luka still not top 3 in MVP people out here still believing Tatum is better it’s hilarious they entitled to their opinion but honestly I’m confused on how the information they have collected has led them to those conclusions outside of team or player bias
Throwing it out there, but think about this. People look back at past MVPs and think, "They got it wrong." The question is, if they go Gobert over Wemby, will future players and fans alike be saying, "They got it wrong?" Wemby is a clear outlier to the typical rules and I don't think it'd be a bad thing to crown him DPOY after a very special season that's never been seen before by a rookie.
My favorite thing is how LOW just wont hop off rudys meat. He constantly defends rudy's perimeter defense and the fact that he gets exposed every year in the playoffs, no matter how good his teammates are. Is it that hard to admit he has a weakness? Crazy man.
What are the stats of the Timberwolves with and without RG? What is his impact? He is a good defender but the Timberwolf can defend without him so it is not really possible to see his impact.
for me i think it should be a half we between ROFT and MVP like your team doesnt have to be the best but it shouldnt be written off just because your team is bad but there should be in the argument
D. Green has a pact with the obscure. How someone that swings from incident to incident and has so many ignorant hot takes garner so much status? The jealousy here is rather apparent. He felt it for Gobbert & now for Victor.
DPOY is not a team award. San Antonio certainly should not win defensive team of the year award. But an individuals performance should not be judged by the team stats. I’m curious to see how this actually plays out.
Can we start pushing back on many of these “statistics”, the fact that they are biased in nature makes them false truths, essentially lies, we need to start telling these fanatics to f off with their deceptive information. So Wemby can’t win DPOY while dominating the game defensively because he is carrying a bunch of nobodies, and Luka can’t win MVP because he doesn’t have the teams that Jokic/Giannis/SGA, dammit we rooting for Wemby for DPOY and LUKA MVP!!!
i’ve never really understood the idea of “they can’t win DPOY because the team is bad at defense” it’s defensive player of the year not defensive team of the year, if a player is playing amazing defense but his team can’t that shouldn’t take away his chances.
The record matters for this award. There are only 2 guys in nba history who won this award with a negative record and both weren’t on teams that were bottom 4 in the league. Just like we would give the mvp to people putting up crazy numbers on losing teams. But those stats are actually insane. Once his team gets better, Holy molly God help the league demon is coming for all the block records
You really didn’t even touch on the fact that he doing with less mins per game. Think of that I. 2k terms if you up the min you play per game. I understand why he said it’s cool if you win this year, because he plans on playing 12 min quarters next year. 😅
It ain’t just about stats, it’s how a player impacts the game, if wembanyama goes into the game and he has a terrible plus minus, it shows he’s not impacting the game enough with his offense nor defense.
The fact that the Spurs go from bottom of the league defensively when Wemby not on the floor…to Top 5 should say enough about Wemby DPOY case.
Honestly what's sad is they're not even bottom 5 without wemby and that's with them being really young and not communicating not helping alot and leaving guys on an island at times, like they look really bad yet somehow are better than 5 other teams. Makes u think how bad are those teams are
I’ve been saying this for weeks
It doesn't quite work like that. So if you make that adjustment for Wemby to compare/contrast, you have to also make that adjustment for every other team. If the focus is just getting an idea of how much impact Wemby has, it's fine, doesn't really matter. The Spurs as a whole don't just jump into the top 5, at least not necessarily. You have to also take every other team's best player, look at the defense when he is on the court and then rank all the defenses accordingly. Otherwise what you're looking at is the average of all the NBA teams vs Spurs only when Wemby is on the court instead of average of all the NBA teams also only when their best defensive player is on the court vs Spurs and Wemby.
@@stevenleblanc8146Wolves have the best defence with Gobert and the best defence without Gobert so clearly it’s mostly the system that’s good
@@SauliBo1I don't disagree that Minnesota is just way better than the Spurs as a unit on defense. Also on offense for that matter but I digress. To me it's a sham to take an individual award and give team success a ton of consideration. It's supposed to be an individual award. You can add some value towards team success. If individual success never translate to team success, then how valuable are you really? I just wouldn't put as much weight on team success for MVP, DPOY, etc as voters do for the individual awards in the NBA. I think Wemby should run away with it this season. Gobert is a really good defender though and the same way Wemby shouldn't be punished for being on a bad team (both offensively and defensively), Gobert shouldn't be punished for being on a good team. The Wemby on/off court stat has a considerable flaw if you don't also make the same adjustment for every other team. It is a good indicator though.
Swap Wemby and Gobert, and suddenly Wemby is the clear frontrunner for DPOY. So clearly the criteria has nothing to do with the individual player's performance, and that's ridiculous.
Gobert is consistent, he knows what it's like to be the best defensive player, in the best defense in the entire NBA, multiple times. Top 1, Top 2, Top 3 etc... with Utah, the best defenders he had over 9 years, it's Favors and Royce O'Neal. Gobert with the Spurs, the spurs are in the top 10 defensively.
Gobert is a bozo trash 😂
@@tidus2275 no 1 player is bringing a team from a bottom 25 defense to a top 10 defense… especially not on the spurs. The spurs without wemby are the pistons, wizards, or worse tbh.
@@tidus2275no the fuck they’re not lmao all u gotta do is watch them play and see that wemby clearly has more defensive impact, the wolves have the best defense without Rudy as well
@@uriahh6931Gobert already did that in Utah
If Curry is the king of gravity, Wemby is antigravity, pushing shooters further out with an equal and opposite force to Steph.
Not yet. Players do go at him still, trusting they can push him away
Are you watching the games?
@@jamesmacker Yes. I've seen Wemby get tons of blocks, steals, bad shots because teams are coached to attack him, "Euro = SOFT" BS. Smart teams don't attack the xenomorph.
@@jamesmacker of course. Just watched the other night vs Mavs. He was AWFUL.
And vs Nuggets. He was good but not particularly great.
Hard to be with those teammates though
@@Edd_LShoreIm a mavs homer watch almost every game. I have not seen lukas lobs pnrs and mid range game thrown off as much as it was that night and the majority of it was just vic being too close and making him rethink a lot of his go to moves. Ive not seen another defender do that to that degree ever
A ROTY x DPOY would be crazy…. But I like crazy!
For a 14th seed? Larry Legend came into a 21 team and took them to over 50 wins. Even LeBron improved the Cavs record from the year before. He's making an impact but clearly not enough.
@@Nobody1mportant999they’re actively trying to lose tho. He’s not even allowed to be on the floor that long because they want to lose.
Where does Herbert Jones for the Pelicans fit in 🤔??
@@Nobody1mportant999the spurs are tanking they dont want to win they want to set up the future of wembys career
Crazy? I was crazy once. They locked me in a room. A rubber room. A rubber room with rats. And the rats made me crazy.
What's crazy is the fact that Vic has had five or more blocks in a third of his games this season. He is easily the best defensive rookie since Duncan imo.
he’s the best defensive rookie of all time tbh
@@deanoss777 Honestly not a bad take but personally I might still pick Timmy and while I can't be for sure I assume Bill Russell also was probably better
@@Ginger2882.in an era where 3 pointers weren’t being taken, there was shit all for space, and no 3 second rule??? Wemby averaging his stocks in this league and doing the things he’s doing is a LOT more impressive than the clogged paint defense of old
What’s crazier, duncan is the greatest defender of all time and has zero dpoys…. 😵
@@keely-lornekirby7370 praise Timmy
Because some people just don't want to do it. Look at what they did to Jokic, he should be a 3-peat MVP, but....🤦🏿♂️ They wouldn't let Luka be an All-Star his rookie year, so I'd be surprised if they a rookie get DPOY over a vet.
Agreed. And Giannis too, they didn’t even consider him being an MVP candidate going into the year after his back to back and it’s funny because he won the title that year. They already wrote him off with "voters fatigue" 🤷🏾♂️
No, he shouldn't. Saying he has trash defensive teammates is no excuse. Gobert anchored top 10 defenses, while having horrible defenders as teammates.
@@blackmanwithcomputerwell considering Wemby plays only like half the game that means the other half is a bunch of sorry defenders on the court which would heavily negate the positive defensive impact wemby has when on the court
@@The_Jbeast Similar situations didn't stop Gobert from leading top 10 team defenses. Rudy averaged a little less than 32min, winning DPOY, while surrounded by defensive trash.
Luka wasn’t puttin up all star numbers his rookie yr and was on a bad team bro he wasn’t getting that spot
Draymond wants the "defensive player of the year" award to be the "defensive leader of the best defensive team of the year" award ?
That's pretty much him when he won it in 16-17...
he said wemby was dpoy
Nah Dray been said Wemby should be DPOTY
Vic deals with the real life MyCareer problem. Games tied when u get taken out you come back in down 15 and the cycle continues
That defensive rating fact when Wemby is in and then out of the floor is insane. Draymond not putting that in consideration is BEYOND ignorant
Wemby on the Wolves instead of Gobert Wins DPOY if thats the case
yup, if you swap the players, all of this discussion would be greatly swapped
Doubt it since Wemby has offense and Gobert do not. Players that win DPOY seem to be defensive minded players with no offense.
Could you imagine 😂 Wemby on the Wolves is a chip
@@FawnswineMichael jordan and Hakheem both won Dpoys as offensive juggernauts so it’s possible
Lol, they win the chip...
The only reason I’m pushing back so hard on this is because imo this could easily become an excuse to keep it from him in the future if he’s in a similar situation.
I think that’s whack logic
And the fact he wasnt good as a power forward for 30 some games?
@@Edd_LShorewhat? 🤣
@@Edd_LShore20pts 10reb and 3.2 blocks in his first 30 🤣
@@keely-lornekirby7370 Yeah. Horrible efficiency and maybe if you watch some games instead of just looking numbers without context
The awards voting is definitely flawed and needs a hardline criteria that makes it’s fair and logical. Wemby should’ve been an all star honeslty, it’s why I hate that it’s only 12 roster spots per conference but nba teams have 15 max. There should at least be 15 guaranteeing a rookie from each conference gets a spot. The USA Basketball team had a tradition where they pick one college student to join the roster. Anthony Davis was on the redeem team after Kentucky.
All star is a popularity contest .. all that matters is all nba
Wemby is so good that he got people talking about DPOY
Why Wemby is your 2024 DPOY:
- Leads the league in blocks (by far)
- Leads the league in stocks (by far) - #2 in steals league-wise in February…
- Spurs defense is elite (#5) with him on the floor. Could have been higher had he played center full season…
- Spurs defense is DEAD LAST when he’s off the floor. Not only dead last but also historically bad defensively. Competing for the “worst defensive team ever” title when he’s off the court.
- Only player with 10 blocks in a game this season.
- Only player with back to back 5steals 5blocks games since MJ.
- And the number of shots the opposing team does not take because he’s there is probably his biggest argument that does not show up in the stat sheet.
- Opposing teams are setting high screens, double screens, re-screens, just to make sure he’s out of the paint… for a rookie… That’s how impactful he is.
He is the DPOY and it’s not even close.
By - @Peroriperora
Draymond sounded like some Twitter casual bringing up just overall record with no further analysis
Facts Wolves have the best defence even when Gobert is not playing, it’s clear they have a great system meanwhile Wemby is so clearly the superior defender
Calling Dray a casual just because you disagree with him is crazy. He has forgotten more about ball than you’ll ever know
@@ckthegreat100 That’s cool…professional players can still have horrific takes, stop blindly dickriding and think for yourself
@@ckthegreat100making a comment without context is casual behaviour. He didn’t say Draymond is a casual, he said that he sounded like a casual in that comment … he did
The fact that he's 2nd for DPOY as a rookie then checks in and splashes a 3 from 26 feet 😶
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If you're gomma call it "Stocks/Steals and Blocks", don't then write "Blocks and Steals".
Because that's "BLEALS".
This is such a nitpick but I think the same thing too.
hall of fame nitpick
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The award is called Defensive Player not defensive team for God’s sake…
We need to stop giving so much value on mvp, roy, dpoy etc. These awards come down to politics most of the time
This just will never happen its a historic award to the sport. Dumb thing to say
@@itshurtt395 no it’s not. Your comment was dumb. When Nash won back to back mvps when he shouldn’t have. When Joel won mvp because Kendrick Perkins pulled the race card. Even the beginning of basketball, bill Russell lead his team to the championship his rookie year but yet his teammate Tommy Heinsohn won roy and Bob Cousy won mvp. So this has always been going on. Go educate yourself
@@Von.NorthEnd your just another new gen who says stupid shit like "Nash didn't deserve his mvps" you can say what you want but he won it because he deserved it, others deserved it to that's how the games goes.
Does that mean the value of those awards go down? No because at that point this ain't a competitive sport if nothing matters
@@itshurtt395 anyone who’s knows basketball that isn’t stupid like you knows that Nash only won back to back because of politics. And you ignored my other two points…just stop you’re embarrassing yourself
@@Von.NorthEnd you didn't make two other points. You made one point with 3 examples 🤦♂️ clearly what I am saying isn't embarrassing when people still give value to awards for decades now aswell as no one in the their right minds would actually listen to what your saying
I 100 percent agree. Wemby for DPOY 🛡
I literally said “ Waat Thaa Fu&&&” outloud when mans had a 100 more stocks 🤣🤣😵
It's like saying if your team isn't top in scoring you can't win the scoring title 😅... DPOY should go to the best defender, regardless of team success or team abiity
Team success should have never played as big of a factor for DPOY as it does for MVP. I honestly don’t think team success should ever play a role for individual awards except for when the race is close. With DPOY it’s not even close and we still got more basketball left but Wemby is clearly the most IMPACTFUL defender in the league rn and for that reason alone he should win especially when if he’s on the floor they have the 2nd best defense.
If he doesn't win defensive player of the year I wouldn't be too upset. Whatever he's putting on the table right now will be doubled within a year or two.
Old people in NBA dont like young and europeen people 🤣
Wemby’s been surging in the odds in the past 3 months and just recently he’s moved down to less than +500 in some oddsmakers with Rudy going from -1000 to -400 👀👀👀
If Wemby somehow gets 300+ blocks and 100+ steals by the end of the year the dpoy race could get to near 50/50 imo 🤷🏾♂️
Either way been great to see dpoy getting as much talk as the mvp this year 💪🏾🔒
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draymond, is it called Defensive team of the year or defensive player of the year?
Getting kind of tired of people saying this. Nobody has ever won DPOY without being in one of the leagues best defences. Like it or not, this is simply how the award has always worked
@@ckthegreat100 so stop letting it work like that. Alot of things used to work a certain way until you fix it.
@@VxnSmith not everyone thinks it needs to be fixed. The award is working as intended as far as I can see
The nba needs to come out and address the conditions for these awards bc it’s stupid how he can’t win it cause his TEAM sucks
Draymond missed that it's the Defensive PLAYER of the Year😂
True but for arguments sake when was the last time someone won DPOY that wasn’t a top 10 defense? Let alone bottom 5. I don’t really think this is a sound argument but just historically would be interesting to see
@@Romanus- Any other year I would agree. But Wemby is a top 10 defense by himself. That's what's so crazy about this. If he was just getting blocks then I get it, but he really is carrying that defense to a top 5 defense when he's on the court. The problem is he has minutes restrictions, which makes this even crazier. The accolades fits the exception criteria. He is objectively the best defensive player in the league right now. He just so happens to be on one of the worse defensive teams. I get your point Rudy is not to be ignored either.
@@jahkrmusicyup like someone in the comments said, if wemby was on the wolves and gobert was on the Spurs wemby wins it no debate
This video has “Taylor imma let you finish… but Beyoncé had one of the best videos of all time” feels to it. 😂😂😂😂😂
The only DPOY to ever be on a losing team was Alvin Robertson, another Spur, oddly enough. Only player to ever have a quadruple double with steals
Wemby isn't the 1st 7 foot plus unicorn Center, and what happens is these bean pole type of players are more of the Bol Bol types, 4 PPG and then once in a blue moon a monster performance. Wemby is something completely different with everything he's consistently been able to do all while under minutes restrictions. He is everything he has been hyped up to be.
This might be a good time to add two types of awards then.
Etc-Player of the year
Etc- Team of the year
Man I hope bro wins it, the on/off numbers are crazy. Him being a rookie and the team defense being bad he prob won't get it but it'd be historic if he did
That boy Wemby tuff fr. I really hope San Antonio supports him in his career 🤞🏾
I thought European players don’t play defense only to recall many of them are good defensive players and good rebounders which is a defensive measure and good screeners going back ten years back and watching the world championships of basketball, these European teams were good defensively where Germany 🇩🇪 won it without any big star offensively
The spurs I believe are 23rd in defense, they are 2nd when hes on the floor. When he's not, they're one of the worst in the league.
He is CLEARLY DPOW whether he wins or not.
When Marcus Smart won dpoy the Celtics didn't have a top 10 defense
We need a perimeter defensive player of the year and a interior defensive player of the year because it’ll allow us to respect bigs in their role and guards in their and not expect one or the either to try and be the other.
if you can average 36 points on a team ranked 30th in offense... you are still going to win the scoring title... so why is it not the same for defense?
Scoring title is not the same as dpoy. In fact your analogy is trash and you should use a better one if I'm keeping it a buck with you. Scoring title is a numbers thing, dpoy isn't.
scoring just means that dpoy means something esle
He's gonna win the Block Title which is more equivalent to the Scoring Title.
You're basically saying every Scoring Champion should also be MVP. Which is a bad take.
Victor can steal lead the league in blocks on a bad defensive team and not win dpoy. You’d be surprised how often the league leader in blocks or steals doesn’t win dpoy.
It’s so stupid like why do they even post defensive stats if ur odds of winning the award is ur team record it’s stupid, honestly the nba needs to come out and explained these awards.
You have to actually win games to get a good win share number...and win shares is a accumulative stat so missing games also hurts you especially if you are missing games your team wins
Bro i've BEEN saying this man wemby should win dpoy
give him every award idc hes da goat
Wemby better not be snubbed from this individual award because he’s a rookie on a bad team compared to a more established team Gobert is on
Whats crazy is that Wemby could have stopped playing a month ago and I doubt anyone would have caught up to his stocks total.
Whether he wins it or not im excited for wembys career, really hope he can stay healthy and grow to his full potential
My only problem with him winning as a rookie is his numbers are only going up so if he wins this year then he has to win every year that his numbers get better. That's why the advanced stats are useful for this.
They will go up tho. If he’s this good as a rookie imagine him 3-4 years from now and then when he hits his prime around late 20’s he’ll be even more ridiculous
@@Romanus- exactly so if you give him the award now he will win the next 10
By this logic depending on their numbers a losing teams best player could be mvp then. If were going on the individual player and not including there team.
Things like precedent’s and team success should factor minutely. But only when the individuals are closely ranked. What Wemby is doing is simply insane, and it’s either him or Gobert.
I agree with Draymond, however, with the criteria that he requires LOW proved him wrong still. I don’t think Rudy is a bad defender by any means but he’s not great. He’s good in rotation, he’s great at getting contests, he’s good at shot blocking, but I haven’t seen him stop or intimidate any great offense in the playoffs. I understand it’s a team game, but I would say the same for someone who wins MVPs every year but are first round exits every year. At some point being the “best” on a given side of the floor has to contribute to a ring or deep playoff run and he hasn’t done either. Good defender not great or how he’s made out to be. Wemby to me, already has a better impact on the defensive floor than Gobert do, Wemby might end up being a much better defender when it’s all said in done as well.
He’s the best defensive player without a doubt. The only argument for Gobert is his team being the best defense.
70 on his head and he’s the best defender?
@@creep9932rewatch the game and see how much was dropped on Zach Collins lol
@@creep9932embiid dropped 51 on Rudy off 70% shooting… whats your point?
@@PacersPushinPthey’re both soft so that still doesn’t answer why the best defender had 70 points put on his party hat
@@creep9932Embiid scored 16 personally on Wemby that game. Wemby scored about the same personally on Embiid that same night
In soccer, you could get goalkeeper of the year even if your team leaks 2.5 goals a game and is bottom of the keague, if you are saving 10 shots a game and basically rule your area. And if you're a rookie, it won't matter.
Rookie x DFOY you really my favorite analysis bro 🙏🏼🐐
so basically draymond is saying when wemby is not playing, his team is bad on defense, so he shouldn't get DPOY. lol
Ion care what nobody says, the defensive rating with him on the floor vs off the floor should win him the award alone 🤷 because if im not mistaken he has the highest differential between on/off the court in NBA HISTORY
U are a hundred percent correct... DPOY is an individual award...he absolutely deserves it given that he tipped the scale so much
Lol I typed out the stats like an idiot because i paused the video. But i think thats enough to prove his case. Ppl also use that same metric with Mvps etc. His relative defensive impact is honestly unmatched. And if you look deeper, his impact of shot selection is also crazy, but you dont need the stats but 2 working eyes to see that.
When you are in a loosing team, you can go for risky plays and if they pan out great (you get a steal or a block), if they don't, no big deal you're going to loose anyway. On a wining team you take way less risks that could hurt your team chances.
On a loosing team, you stad pad basically.
It's called Defensive PLAYER of the year. Seems to pertain to one person's individual skills on defense. I personally think Wemby is the best defensive player in the league, judging him apart from his team.
How can you not say Victor is a better defender than Gobert ?
*The only thing against him is the Spurs record, but that's a team thing not him. Mad respect to him for saying Rudy can have it this year, and all the rest of them will be his lol.*
Should a player win mvp , with his team dead last on the standing but he’s averaging 40/10/10
@@curtiszyrthats different tho, mvp implies helping the team win, dpoy doesnt need that
@@indeeeed lmao so defense doesn’t win games or make team good or help a team . Favoritism has broken y’all logic
No but he should definitely be in the conversation because it’s statistically great
He should definitely be in the convo but if your team has a losing record you shouldn’t win any awards like MVP or DPOY
Imo if Record matters a lot for MVP it should also matter for DPOY. or at least defensive rating of the team should matter
Nah.
U do realize that the Spurs have a top tier defense when he’s on the court right it’s just that when he’s off they suck ass
Your opinion is garbage.
How can a team, which is top 5 defensively 28 out of 48 minutes, lose so many games? 115+. They beat GSW without Wembanyama, normally they shouldn't have won, since apparently without him they are nothing defensively. Top 5 on its own... Well, we don't know, sometimes it's top1, top6 etc
Facts mvp and DPOY are teams awards. We can’t give every award to player on bad team with amazing stats
THE WASHINGTON WHAT?! 😂🤣😂🤣
“Blocks and steals don’t just make up defense” the second it comes to wemby ppl go straight to blocks n steals gotta love stats
Wemby really the greatest rookie since wilt
*Greatest rookie ever.
Greatest rookie ever
The spurs were considered as the worst defensive team and wemby is still 2nd for DPOY
@@theguywhoasked2957 Wilt averaged 37.6 points, 27.0 rebounds and 2.3 assists in 72 games in his rookie season. He was selected to play in his first All-Star game. He won the Rookie of the Year award and his first MVP award
@@kris9145 A tall center back then was 6’9. Wilt was 7’1.
@@whateverman23 virtually same as todays centers what your point?
Same people who argue Kobe Bryant should’ve won mvp in ‘06 because of how historically pisspoor the lakers offense would be when he’s off the floor, should be the same ones that argue why Wemby should be in dpoy convos.
Kobe and Nash won their teams equal amount of games, per minute played. Kobe could have
Theres a reason it’s called “defensive PLAYER of the year” and not “defensive TEAM of the year”. Give the best individual defender the award and don’t take team into account…
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Gotta get you on the pod bruh
The on and off stat has to be used more often for this conversations
Wemby also switches on guards more and is a literal position less defender
In order to win MVP, you can't have good teammates otherwise that's "Too much help"
In order to win DPOY, you HAVE to have good teammates to have a top team defense. The logic is just inconsistent
What are you even talking about? You definitely need good teamates t win MVP
@@nathanwalker6284 You need a good team, but not too good. People disregard Giannis' MVP case "Because he has Dame" even though he's been underwhelming.
The thing is Wemby being the best defensive player in the worst defensive team means he doesn’t have to share his numbers.
Compare that to Rudy who isholding his own with McDaniels Towns and Edwards taking some share of the defensive stats and it is clear that the team success matters when talking about such trophies.
Since when is Towns a good defender?!
Towns improved a lot and has become an verage defender at best but he is way above anyone of the spurs team that’s why I talked about him.
Obviously the greatest defensive impact after Rudy is McDaniels
10:24 that's it right there.
Defensive player of the year is an individual award. its funny when teams win championships they say their player won and compare it to how many other players have won, even tho its a team award, but when it comes to defensive player of the year, they say his team is not good defensively! its an individual award tho. maybe there should be a best defensive team award too.
Great video man super entertaining, I must say is the only difference in opinion I have is that wemby is the DPOY and it’s really not close there is no argument Draymonds reasoning is incorrect inconsistent and therefore invalid if Rudy wins I high key wanna boycott the nba because they just being ignorant at this point like what are we doing you got Luka still not top 3 in MVP people out here still believing Tatum is better it’s hilarious they entitled to their opinion but honestly I’m confused on how the information they have collected has led them to those conclusions outside of team or player bias
DRAYMOND CHANGED HIS STANCE ON THE SUBJECT
Throwing it out there, but think about this. People look back at past MVPs and think, "They got it wrong." The question is, if they go Gobert over Wemby, will future players and fans alike be saying, "They got it wrong?" Wemby is a clear outlier to the typical rules and I don't think it'd be a bad thing to crown him DPOY after a very special season that's never been seen before by a rookie.
My favorite thing is how LOW just wont hop off rudys meat. He constantly defends rudy's perimeter defense and the fact that he gets exposed every year in the playoffs, no matter how good his teammates are. Is it that hard to admit he has a weakness? Crazy man.
What are the stats of the Timberwolves with and without RG?
What is his impact? He is a good defender but the Timberwolf can defend without him so it is not really possible to see his impact.
Wemby should be the DPOY
4% is very significant
for me i think it should be a half we between ROFT and MVP like your team doesnt have to be the best but it shouldnt be written off just because your team is bad but there should be in the argument
The fact that a rookie is even in the convo for best defensive player in the world is insane. Generational.
D. Green has a pact with the obscure. How someone that swings from incident to incident and has so many ignorant hot takes garner so much status? The jealousy here is rather apparent. He felt it for Gobbert & now for Victor.
DPOY is not a team award. San Antonio certainly should not win defensive team of the year award. But an individuals performance should not be judged by the team stats. I’m curious to see how this actually plays out.
wemby is DPOY and ROY
Can we start pushing back on many of these “statistics”, the fact that they are biased in nature makes them false truths, essentially lies, we need to start telling these fanatics to f off with their deceptive information. So Wemby can’t win DPOY while dominating the game defensively because he is carrying a bunch of nobodies, and Luka can’t win MVP because he doesn’t have the teams that Jokic/Giannis/SGA, dammit we rooting for Wemby for DPOY and LUKA MVP!!!
fr bro its like individual stats don't matter the NBA needs to come out and just say that the awards are based on the best stats on the best team
Hi Low
Thank god you uploaded I might’ve been cooked if u didn’t
Wemby has an amazing future. I wish him well, and YES he's a foreign-born player...... I can appreciate his skills
i’ve never really understood the idea of “they can’t win DPOY because the team is bad at defense” it’s defensive player of the year not defensive team of the year, if a player is playing amazing defense but his team can’t that shouldn’t take away his chances.
The record matters for this award. There are only 2 guys in nba history who won this award with a negative record and both weren’t on teams that were bottom 4 in the league. Just like we would give the mvp to people putting up crazy numbers on losing teams. But those stats are actually insane. Once his team gets better, Holy molly God help the league demon is coming for all the block records
Wouldn’t*
AD should be DPOY if the team played better defense.
No one said he can’t be in the convo, he just won’t win it
to get an answer, just imagine switching team for gobert and wemby and imagine the result. Wemby will be DPOY. But i'm french, it s a win/win :D
You really didn’t even touch on the fact that he doing with less mins per game. Think of that I. 2k terms if you up the min you play per game. I understand why he said it’s cool if you win this year, because he plans on playing 12 min quarters next year. 😅
this whole “he needs to learn the ropes” rookie hazing thing is like 50 years old. tired of vets treating the NBA like a frat.
Knew he was gonna impact the game defensively in summer league
Wemby actually clears gobert in the advanced stats, but he cherrypicked stats
It ain’t just about stats, it’s how a player impacts the game, if wembanyama goes into the game and he has a terrible plus minus, it shows he’s not impacting the game enough with his offense nor defense.
The Spurs have a top 5 defense with him on the court and a bottom 5 defense when he’s off. To say this isn’t impact is just ridiculous.
And he only plays 29 minutes a game….. because spurs still have to tank.. loook how many close hames the spurs have lost this year